/pcbg/ - PC Building General
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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>CPU
Web browsing: 5600G
Budget: 12400F
Mid Range: 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 Steel Legend, X870 Tomahawk, X870E NOVA
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD/12th gen Intel), 6800CL34 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB, 2x48GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000
Mid range: SN770, NM790
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
!!! WAIT FOR NEW CARD LAUNCHES ON 30 JAN BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING !!!
1080p: Arc B580, RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
1440p: RX 7800 XT, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE
4K: RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XTX, RTX 4090
Workstation: RTX 4000 Series, AVOID: AMD cards
>CASE
mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500, Corsair 4000D airflow
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
AVOID: GAMEMAX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8 (LS32DG802SNXZA)
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous: >>103925598
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/inde
>CPU
Web browsing: 5600G
Budget: 12400F
Mid Range: 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 Steel Legend, X870 Tomahawk, X870E NOVA
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD/12th gen Intel), 6800CL34 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB, 2x48GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000
Mid range: SN770, NM790
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
!!! WAIT FOR NEW CARD LAUNCHES ON 30 JAN BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING !!!
1080p: Arc B580, RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
1440p: RX 7800 XT, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE
4K: RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XTX, RTX 4090
Workstation: RTX 4000 Series, AVOID: AMD cards
>CASE
mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500, Corsair 4000D airflow
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
AVOID: GAMEMAX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/be
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8 (LS32DG802SNXZA)
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous: >>103925598
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)10:56:20 No.103930452
Anyone managed to get ddr5-8000 on x870 pro rs wifi? Or any of the latest asrock board?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)10:58:18 No.103930476
Cards DOA:
>5080
>any aftermarket cards
>5070
>5060
Reminder:
>4060 absolutely bodied by the Intel B580, B570 throwing it's weight in
>5000 series on average has a 10-13% raw performance improvement, one of the worst of any generation
>4000 chads stay winning with backwards compatible software updates
Also friendly reminder just because your system says 600W on pcpartpicker does not mean it's drawing that much at the wall and your 900W UPS will work perfectly fine.
>5080
>any aftermarket cards
>5070
>5060
Reminder:
>4060 absolutely bodied by the Intel B580, B570 throwing it's weight in
>5000 series on average has a 10-13% raw performance improvement, one of the worst of any generation
>4000 chads stay winning with backwards compatible software updates
Also friendly reminder just because your system says 600W on pcpartpicker does not mean it's drawing that much at the wall and your 900W UPS will work perfectly fine.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)10:59:33 No.103930484
>>103930452
There is one ASRock X870E Nova owner in /pcbg/ who has a stable +8000MT/s manual memory tuning >>103914102
He is here regularly and shares good advice because he's gone through the whole tuning & validating ordeal.
There is one ASRock X870E Nova owner in /pcbg/ who has a stable +8000MT/s manual memory tuning >>103914102
He is here regularly and shares good advice because he's gone through the whole tuning & validating ordeal.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:01:12 No.103930498
>>103930476
I'm coming from a GTX 1070 so the 5080 is a 450% performance uplift. I'm going to buy one on launch day and there's nothing you can do about it.
I'm coming from a GTX 1070 so the 5080 is a 450% performance uplift. I'm going to buy one on launch day and there's nothing you can do about it.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:01:14 No.103930499
>>103930476
>4000 chads stay winning with backwards compatible software updates
FeelsGoodMan
>Also friendly reminder just because your system says 600W on pcpartpicker does not mean it's drawing that much at the wall and your 900W UPS will work perfectly fine.
This, idk wtf they're smoking inflating the memory wattage so much, even overclocked I've never seen them break double digits according to HwInfo.
>4000 chads stay winning with backwards compatible software updates
FeelsGoodMan
>Also friendly reminder just because your system says 600W on pcpartpicker does not mean it's drawing that much at the wall and your 900W UPS will work perfectly fine.
This, idk wtf they're smoking inflating the memory wattage so much, even overclocked I've never seen them break double digits according to HwInfo.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:01:43 No.103930506
Consensus on optimal mobo choice for 9950x that isn't retarded expensive?
Gigabyte x870e aorus elite wifi7
or
Some Asrock equivalent
Gigabyte x870e aorus elite wifi7
or
Some Asrock equivalent
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:02:20 No.103930517
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:03:46 No.103930534
>>103930517
these cards are absolutely DoA if they can't keep the price within 5-10% MSRP.
these cards are absolutely DoA if they can't keep the price within 5-10% MSRP.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:04:50 No.103930546
Damn, so you guys are telling me I'm not a retard for getting this 4090 right here?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:04:58 No.103930548
>price of 9800X3D increased again from 630 Euro to 650 Euro
retailers are gonna run out when 50 series launches aren't day? can't wait to have to sit around for months because AMD is retarded. FOUR months it takes for new batches to be made, MINIMUM. HURR WE DIDN'T EXPECT SUCH DEMAND. what a bunch of fucking clowns, how do you not expect massive demand when the performance is a major increase over an already fast 7800X3D, and all your non-X3D chips are utter trash so nobody wants those. AMD truly has some of the dumbest people in their departments. imagine 50 series having plenty of stuck but now you get cvcked by AMD because the Intel alternative is horrendous beyond imagination.
retailers are gonna run out when 50 series launches aren't day? can't wait to have to sit around for months because AMD is retarded. FOUR months it takes for new batches to be made, MINIMUM. HURR WE DIDN'T EXPECT SUCH DEMAND. what a bunch of fucking clowns, how do you not expect massive demand when the performance is a major increase over an already fast 7800X3D, and all your non-X3D chips are utter trash so nobody wants those. AMD truly has some of the dumbest people in their departments. imagine 50 series having plenty of stuck but now you get cvcked by AMD because the Intel alternative is horrendous beyond imagination.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:05:58 No.103930559
>>103930506
It will work plenty fine on b650m hdv/m.2. One of buildzoids recent favorites is x870 tomahawk. Imo asrock is fine too. x870 pro rs, x870e nova, and x870e taichi lite depending on how much you are willing to spend. I have a x870 pro rs wifi myself.
It will work plenty fine on b650m hdv/m.2. One of buildzoids recent favorites is x870 tomahawk. Imo asrock is fine too. x870 pro rs, x870e nova, and x870e taichi lite depending on how much you are willing to spend. I have a x870 pro rs wifi myself.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:06:04 No.103930560
>>103930546
yes it seems so
yes it seems so
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:06:48 No.103930569
>>103930548
Chinese new year is next month so expect it to only get worse until mid March
Chinese new year is next month so expect it to only get worse until mid March
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:08:28 No.103930579
>>103930546
Lol, you are fucking retarded for buying 4090, but the performance is not the thing I'd be worried about. If for workstation, w7800 32gigs might be an option to consider. For gaymen, I would stick with 4080s or 7900xtx.
Lol, you are fucking retarded for buying 4090, but the performance is not the thing I'd be worried about. If for workstation, w7800 32gigs might be an option to consider. For gaymen, I would stick with 4080s or 7900xtx.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:09:29 No.103930593
>>103930484
Danke anon.
Danke anon.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:09:31 No.103930594
>>103930546
I got a 4070S last summer and I'm super happy with it. Shame I had to pay the Europoor tax but I really wanted to upgrade.
I got a 4070S last summer and I'm super happy with it. Shame I had to pay the Europoor tax but I really wanted to upgrade.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:09:33 No.103930595
>>103930476
>Reminder:
>>4060 absolutely bodied by the Intel B580, B570 throwing it's weight in
Not in more realistic system configurations that better reflect these cards' market positioning.
You're missing half the potential performance when you pair a Battlemage with a Ryzen 5600.
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/digging-into-driver-overhead-on-intels
>Reminder:
>>4060 absolutely bodied by the Intel B580, B570 throwing it's weight in
Not in more realistic system configurations that better reflect these cards' market positioning.
You're missing half the potential performance when you pair a Battlemage with a Ryzen 5600.
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/diggin
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:11:00 No.103930612
>>103930517
>>103930534
MSRP in euroland = 1200 since most shit holes here have ~20% VAT. entry-level models such as the Ventus or Prime will be at that price range. but anything higher end, like the aorus master or god forbid the ASUS astral are going to be at least 300+ shekels on top. the ASUS astral probably 500+. however if you see stuff like the MSI ventus for 1400+ that's when you know you're being shafted by retailers and you'll have to JustWait(tm) another few months for the hype to die down and stock to stabilize.
>>103930534
MSRP in euroland = 1200 since most shit holes here have ~20% VAT. entry-level models such as the Ventus or Prime will be at that price range. but anything higher end, like the aorus master or god forbid the ASUS astral are going to be at least 300+ shekels on top. the ASUS astral probably 500+. however if you see stuff like the MSI ventus for 1400+ that's when you know you're being shafted by retailers and you'll have to JustWait(tm) another few months for the hype to die down and stock to stabilize.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:13:26 No.103930636
Would 1000w be good for a 5090 and 9800x3d?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:13:28 No.103930637
>>103930595
>just when you thought intel is starting to make things right they manage to find a new and unexpected way to fuck things up
actually incredible
>just when you thought intel is starting to make things right they manage to find a new and unexpected way to fuck things up
actually incredible
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:13:56 No.103930645
I've ordered the following:
>Case: Phanteks Eclipse G400A and 2 extra Phanteks M25 Gen2 140 MM fans for top exhaust
>PSU: Phanteks AMP GH 1000W Platinum
>Motherboard: ASUS TUF GOYMING B850-PLUS
>PSU: Phanteks AMP GH 1000W Platinum
>CPU: Ryzen 7 9800X3D
>CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120
>RAM: Kingstun Fury Beast 32 GB
>Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2TB M.2
And I'll get either an MSI RTX 5080 Gaming Trio or a Goodgoy RTX 5080 Goyming on the 30th.
Total cost in Norway: $3152
>Case: Phanteks Eclipse G400A and 2 extra Phanteks M25 Gen2 140 MM fans for top exhaust
>PSU: Phanteks AMP GH 1000W Platinum
>Motherboard: ASUS TUF GOYMING B850-PLUS
>PSU: Phanteks AMP GH 1000W Platinum
>CPU: Ryzen 7 9800X3D
>CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120
>RAM: Kingstun Fury Beast 32 GB
>Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2TB M.2
And I'll get either an MSI RTX 5080 Gaming Trio or a Goodgoy RTX 5080 Goyming on the 30th.
Total cost in Norway: $3152
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:15:24 No.103930654
>>103930593
Actually, there may be two competent AM5 DDR5 memory tuners in /pcbg/ >>103910764
It's easy to spot these guys because they tend to share good information.
Actually, there may be two competent AM5 DDR5 memory tuners in /pcbg/ >>103910764
It's easy to spot these guys because they tend to share good information.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:16:19 No.103930666
>>103930636
Official recommendation for the 5090 is 1000W so yes. They usually account for someone also having a power hungry CPU (read: Intel) but the 9800X3D is tame in its power consumption. it's unlikely you'll ever get anywhere near the 1000W figure for your system even on a high-end custom 5090 while everything's under full load.
Official recommendation for the 5090 is 1000W so yes. They usually account for someone also having a power hungry CPU (read: Intel) but the 9800X3D is tame in its power consumption. it's unlikely you'll ever get anywhere near the 1000W figure for your system even on a high-end custom 5090 while everything's under full load.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:17:18 No.103930672
>Have to return 4080 by February 1st
>5090 comes out on 30th, and supply is looking dubious due to scalpers
>subscribed to a scalping service myself to try and get one
>will be fucked out of a GPU for months if I can't get one within 30s of launch
what an interesting situation I've put myself in
>5090 comes out on 30th, and supply is looking dubious due to scalpers
>subscribed to a scalping service myself to try and get one
>will be fucked out of a GPU for months if I can't get one within 30s of launch
what an interesting situation I've put myself in
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:17:45 No.103930677
>>103930498
get a 4090, it will cost the same and perform better, 470% uplift
get a 4090, it will cost the same and perform better, 470% uplift
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:18:33 No.103930682
>>103930637
The worst part is the GPU's inefficient processing of certain commands could carry over to Celestial since that's a design problem.
The worst part is the GPU's inefficient processing of certain commands could carry over to Celestial since that's a design problem.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:19:03 No.103930687
>>103930645
is a new g400a still cheaper than an older g500a?
is a new g400a still cheaper than an older g500a?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:19:23 No.103930691
>>103930645
I did an order like this back during the 30 series launch and regretted it forever since I was never able to get the graphics card. I'm not ordering anything now until I know that the GPU is included. Hope for your sake they launch at reasonable prices or you're going to be stuck with those unopened boxes for quite a while. Luckily the 5080 looks to be a pretty terrible upgrade vs the 4080 so hopefully that will kill the hype and let people like us who still have old systems upgrade at our leisure.
I did an order like this back during the 30 series launch and regretted it forever since I was never able to get the graphics card. I'm not ordering anything now until I know that the GPU is included. Hope for your sake they launch at reasonable prices or you're going to be stuck with those unopened boxes for quite a while. Luckily the 5080 looks to be a pretty terrible upgrade vs the 4080 so hopefully that will kill the hype and let people like us who still have old systems upgrade at our leisure.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:19:28 No.103930693
Holy shit, I thought you guys were just meming, but you're actually serious.
Anyway, anyone who buys shit on release is retarded. Always wait at least 6 months after release before you buy new components.
>b-but
Enjoy playtesting for other consumers.
Anyway, anyone who buys shit on release is retarded. Always wait at least 6 months after release before you buy new components.
>b-but
Enjoy playtesting for other consumers.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:19:45 No.103930696
>>103930595
lol. battlebros...
lol. battlebros...
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:21:04 No.103930710
>>103930677
Not in Europe. Cheapest 4090 was like 2200 Euro at retail here before they stopped making them, double the price of a 5080. Used offers are all super expensive or obvious scams. Too many people using them for AI slop.
Not in Europe. Cheapest 4090 was like 2200 Euro at retail here before they stopped making them, double the price of a 5080. Used offers are all super expensive or obvious scams. Too many people using them for AI slop.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:21:44 No.103930720
>>103930595
a lot of budget builders are going to get fucked up buying intel cards
a lot of budget builders are going to get fucked up buying intel cards
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:22:18 No.103930725
>>103930691
yeah, that anon is about to not be able to get the 5080, buy something as a "stop-gap" and never replace it out of laziness. lol.
yeah, that anon is about to not be able to get the 5080, buy something as a "stop-gap" and never replace it out of laziness. lol.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:22:47 No.103930731
>>103930687
Yes, like $50 cheaper, at least here
>>103930691
I did a build like this back in 2020 as well and did get my hands on an RTX 3080 Gaming Trio, but the motherboard was a dud so I had to reuse my old one as well as CPU and RAM and wait for 3 weeks to finally put the PC together. If I can't get my hands on a 5080 on the 30th, I'll just move the 3080 over before selling it.
Yes, like $50 cheaper, at least here
>>103930691
I did a build like this back in 2020 as well and did get my hands on an RTX 3080 Gaming Trio, but the motherboard was a dud so I had to reuse my old one as well as CPU and RAM and wait for 3 weeks to finally put the PC together. If I can't get my hands on a 5080 on the 30th, I'll just move the 3080 over before selling it.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:23:28 No.103930736
>>103930672
Why do you have to return your GPU at all?
Why do you have to return your GPU at all?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:24:34 No.103930747
>>103930645
>: ASUS TUF GOYMING B850-PLUS
This is the only obvious mistake. PSU, I'm not sure its a good one. What GPU anon? For you 1000w psu? Also, brev pupper og fitta.
>: ASUS TUF GOYMING B850-PLUS
This is the only obvious mistake. PSU, I'm not sure its a good one. What GPU anon? For you 1000w psu? Also, brev pupper og fitta.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:25:46 No.103930762
>>103930362
AMD doesn't recommend any Scalar setting, only 1x is tested and approved as "safe" to use for daily.
You probably watched a SkatterBencher video or something, these guys NEVER test stability in their system nor actually care about longevity.
>>103930506
What are you looking for in a mobo, I/O, overclocking capabilities, VRMs, QOL features?
In general I would suggest at the very least to get a motherboard with optimized topology for your chip, so B850/X870/E for Zen 5.
>ASRock X870Es (Nova/Taichi)
Top-tier boards, as good as it gets for 2DPC and excellent I/O.
>MSI X870 Tomahawk
Value king, good 2DPC board with consistent high frequency memory compatibility.
Traces less optimized so performance is marginally worse with maxed out memory OCs, does well with core clocks though.
Don't overthink the mobo choice unless you're looking for massive overclocking headroom (ECLK, 8200+ MT/s, optimized traces for tPHYRDL matching and bandwidth maxing etc).
AMD doesn't recommend any Scalar setting, only 1x is tested and approved as "safe" to use for daily.
You probably watched a SkatterBencher video or something, these guys NEVER test stability in their system nor actually care about longevity.
>>103930506
What are you looking for in a mobo, I/O, overclocking capabilities, VRMs, QOL features?
In general I would suggest at the very least to get a motherboard with optimized topology for your chip, so B850/X870/E for Zen 5.
>ASRock X870Es (Nova/Taichi)
Top-tier boards, as good as it gets for 2DPC and excellent I/O.
>MSI X870 Tomahawk
Value king, good 2DPC board with consistent high frequency memory compatibility.
Traces less optimized so performance is marginally worse with maxed out memory OCs, does well with core clocks though.
Don't overthink the mobo choice unless you're looking for massive overclocking headroom (ECLK, 8200+ MT/s, optimized traces for tPHYRDL matching and bandwidth maxing etc).
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:26:19 No.103930765
>>103930595
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m9uK4D35FlM
Gamernexus says not much difference.
Gn use 5600x 12400 and 9800x3d.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m9uK4
Gamernexus says not much difference.
Gn use 5600x 12400 and 9800x3d.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:26:50 No.103930768
>>103930693
if you'd have waited with buying a 3080 on launch you'd have never been able to get one. 4090's launched close to MSRP here but went up in price over the months and never came back down again. buying on launch was a bad idea in the old days because you could always be assured that there would be plenty of stock. but in today's world there is no such guarantee. stock can dry up for ages, prices can shoot up and never go down again. governments might impose retarded tariffs out of nowhere. your currency might devalue because war broke out (thanks putin). if you bought a 4090 for 1700 Euro two years ago you'd be able to sell it for a profit just a few months ago because of how much the card has gone up in value + euro has lost value.
if you'd have waited with buying a 3080 on launch you'd have never been able to get one. 4090's launched close to MSRP here but went up in price over the months and never came back down again. buying on launch was a bad idea in the old days because you could always be assured that there would be plenty of stock. but in today's world there is no such guarantee. stock can dry up for ages, prices can shoot up and never go down again. governments might impose retarded tariffs out of nowhere. your currency might devalue because war broke out (thanks putin). if you bought a 4090 for 1700 Euro two years ago you'd be able to sell it for a profit just a few months ago because of how much the card has gone up in value + euro has lost value.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:27:42 No.103930776
>>103930595
>4060 unmasked for the turd it has always been
>suddenly amdunboxed becomes a reliable source
>4060 unmasked for the turd it has always been
>suddenly amdunboxed becomes a reliable source
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:28:39 No.103930783
>>103930736
Because I'll get $1300 back.
Because I'll get $1300 back.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:29:49 No.103930795
>>103930747
Just a 5080 for now. I might sell it later and get a 5090. The Phanteks PSUs are just Seasonic PSUs with Phanteks branding. Never had an issue with Asus products in the past. My main monitor is still a ROG PG279 from like 2015.
Just a 5080 for now. I might sell it later and get a 5090. The Phanteks PSUs are just Seasonic PSUs with Phanteks branding. Never had an issue with Asus products in the past. My main monitor is still a ROG PG279 from like 2015.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:31:27 No.103930804
>>103930427
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super
>1440p: RX 7900 GRE
OP lacks intelligence
The 4070 Super is far better than the 7900 GRE for 1440p, but as a VRAMemer (and probably DLSS denier) he's unable to see the truth
>>103930476
None of those cards are DOA
>>103930546
If you're buying for gaming on the cusp of RTX 50, you're a retard. The 5080 will be better for gaming and far cheaper
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super
>1440p: RX 7900 GRE
OP lacks intelligence
The 4070 Super is far better than the 7900 GRE for 1440p, but as a VRAMemer (and probably DLSS denier) he's unable to see the truth
>>103930476
None of those cards are DOA
>>103930546
If you're buying for gaming on the cusp of RTX 50, you're a retard. The 5080 will be better for gaming and far cheaper
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:32:14 No.103930812
>>103930693
I'm not even meming at this point. 5000 series is seriously DOA. 5090 will sell obviously, but everything else is done. The poors will buy their shitty 5060s and that's about it.
I'm not even meming at this point. 5000 series is seriously DOA. 5090 will sell obviously, but everything else is done. The poors will buy their shitty 5060s and that's about it.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:32:35 No.103930818
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:33:41 No.103930832
Hey multispammer, OP here. Kvetch all you like but I can't see what you type anyway. Keep seething lol
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:34:26 No.103930838
>>103930677
It'll have worse DLSS image quality and more ghosting.
It'll have worse DLSS image quality and more ghosting.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:34:35 No.103930839
>>103930765
Chips and Cheese analyzed the driver overhead issues in much more detail.
Chips and Cheese analyzed the driver overhead issues in much more detail.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:35:23 No.103930849
>>103930795
Asus has been the most jewish company in recent years, they stiffed mr. GN. I'd stick with asrock for AM5, msi has been recent favourite of builzoid. If I'm buying highend, asus is still very good, all brands are good for highend. For lower end to mid tier, I'd stick with asrock.
Asus has been the most jewish company in recent years, they stiffed mr. GN. I'd stick with asrock for AM5, msi has been recent favourite of builzoid. If I'm buying highend, asus is still very good, all brands are good for highend. For lower end to mid tier, I'd stick with asrock.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:35:39 No.103930852
>Mooooommm... the mass reply spammer is up early today....
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:36:06 No.103930860
>>103930838
No, the transformer model will be retroactively compatible. Only the multiframe meme thing is locked to the 5000 series.
No, the transformer model will be retroactively compatible. Only the multiframe meme thing is locked to the 5000 series.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:37:08 No.103930871
>>103930765
This nigga has gotten insufferable lately. I wish he were humble like l1tech, when someone else (not GN team) is around he is 10x more likeable.
This nigga has gotten insufferable lately. I wish he were humble like l1tech, when someone else (not GN team) is around he is 10x more likeable.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:37:32 No.103930874
>>103930812
The 5070ti will sell because it's the best value in the lineup. People have come to accept that a gaming pc is $2000
The 5070ti will sell because it's the best value in the lineup. People have come to accept that a gaming pc is $2000
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:37:55 No.103930882
>>103930595
Yes, same problem on any Radeon card. The irony is that these so called budget brands require extra investment in CPU
>>103930682
This is a driver issue, basically software. Radeon's driver overhead has gone unfixed for over a decade, so it's definitely possible that Celestial will have the same driver problems as Battlemage, but Intel seems to be more proactive with its drivers than Radeon so there is hope. However Tom Peterson himself has said that creating a multithreaded driver like Nvidia's is very difficult, which is probably a nice way to say that he doesn't expect this issue to be fully resolved.
>>103930765
GN doesn't test enough games. Not all games have the issue: it's specifically CPU limited situations, but even then, not all CPU limited situations
>>103930776
AMDumboxed is not a reliable source, but even with its Radeon (really AMD in general) agenda, sometimes things slip through, like pic related
Yes, same problem on any Radeon card. The irony is that these so called budget brands require extra investment in CPU
>>103930682
This is a driver issue, basically software. Radeon's driver overhead has gone unfixed for over a decade, so it's definitely possible that Celestial will have the same driver problems as Battlemage, but Intel seems to be more proactive with its drivers than Radeon so there is hope. However Tom Peterson himself has said that creating a multithreaded driver like Nvidia's is very difficult, which is probably a nice way to say that he doesn't expect this issue to be fully resolved.
>>103930765
GN doesn't test enough games. Not all games have the issue: it's specifically CPU limited situations, but even then, not all CPU limited situations
>>103930776
AMDumboxed is not a reliable source, but even with its Radeon (really AMD in general) agenda, sometimes things slip through, like pic related
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:40:24 No.103930909
im just gonna buy radeon gpu for my gfs pc
i am just gonna do it
seethe
i am just gonna do it
seethe
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:42:31 No.103930922
>>103930909
Which one anon? She is very lucky. No one would ever buy me GPUs. Not that I want GPUs, I just want my own big tiddy goth gf.
Which one anon? She is very lucky. No one would ever buy me GPUs. Not that I want GPUs, I just want my own big tiddy goth gf.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:42:32 No.103930923
>>103930909
Fsr4 is pretty good so 9070xt will be a solid card
There's no reason to pay the $300-1000 nvidia tax anymore
Fsr4 is pretty good so 9070xt will be a solid card
There's no reason to pay the $300-1000 nvidia tax anymore
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:44:35 No.103930940
The 50 series looks horrendous.
After 9 years I was really excited to build a new PC this year but what the fuck am I supposed to do here?
>5090 barely better than a 4090
>5080 is doa
>even if a 5080ti comes out it's still going to suck
I'm actually thinking going for a 4080s here since the prices for them are still reasonable.
I really don't want to touch the 50 series man. It's cursed. dlss4/mfg tho...
After 9 years I was really excited to build a new PC this year but what the fuck am I supposed to do here?
>5090 barely better than a 4090
>5080 is doa
>even if a 5080ti comes out it's still going to suck
I'm actually thinking going for a 4080s here since the prices for them are still reasonable.
I really don't want to touch the 50 series man. It's cursed. dlss4/mfg tho...
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:46:46 No.103930957
you buy AMD for rasterized FPS/$
you buy Nvidia for CUDA & RT
not complicated
you buy Nvidia for CUDA & RT
not complicated
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:46:50 No.103930958
>>103930909
7900xtx in a sff pc, do it
7900xtx in a sff pc, do it
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:47:12 No.103930966
>>103930940
7900xtx? Wait for 5070ti.
7900xtx? Wait for 5070ti.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:48:27 No.103930976
i love how weve somehow gotten to the point where you have a bunch of consumers on an imageboard telling each other that only the most expensive model is the one worth getting. how are things so backwards, these days?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:48:50 No.103930980
na shes getting 9060 cause it almost sounds like 69
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:50:17 No.103930991
>>103930818
>sleep with my head in the sand
I know, which is why you've been getting repeatedly fucked over by your Radeon purchasing decisions
>>103930860
>the transformer model will be retroactively compatible
True. But I think the tensor block of (at least lower end) older cards might be overloaded with higher demand of the transformer model, and of course there will be other demands placed on the tensor block, like neural shaders or neural texture compression
>>103930909
Well, you are already great at tech support, my SEA friend. I say go for it, in fact buy two
>>103930923
>Fsr4 is pretty good
There's hope, but Another Massive Disappointment can certainly find ways to fuck it up. Additionally you have to think about the fact that better than native DLSS is in 500+ games, while FS4 is in almost none. There's no way to fix the image quality of Death Stranding without a Geforce card, for instance.
>>103930940
RTX 50 isn't great, but it's better than RTX 40 Super. If you need a new PC, I don't think you want to waitTM two years until RTX 60. Not worth sweating a couple of hundred dollars or some performance over such a long period.
>>103930976
>telling each other that only the most expensive model is the one worth getting
They are absolute retards. All the tiers are worth it for some class of buyer
>sleep with my head in the sand
I know, which is why you've been getting repeatedly fucked over by your Radeon purchasing decisions
>>103930860
>the transformer model will be retroactively compatible
True. But I think the tensor block of (at least lower end) older cards might be overloaded with higher demand of the transformer model, and of course there will be other demands placed on the tensor block, like neural shaders or neural texture compression
>>103930909
Well, you are already great at tech support, my SEA friend. I say go for it, in fact buy two
>>103930923
>Fsr4 is pretty good
There's hope, but Another Massive Disappointment can certainly find ways to fuck it up. Additionally you have to think about the fact that better than native DLSS is in 500+ games, while FS4 is in almost none. There's no way to fix the image quality of Death Stranding without a Geforce card, for instance.
>>103930940
RTX 50 isn't great, but it's better than RTX 40 Super. If you need a new PC, I don't think you want to waitTM two years until RTX 60. Not worth sweating a couple of hundred dollars or some performance over such a long period.
>>103930976
>telling each other that only the most expensive model is the one worth getting
They are absolute retards. All the tiers are worth it for some class of buyer
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:50:25 No.103930992
>>103930976
if 5080 wasn't gimped so much everyone would've gotten it, imayine being unable to outperform previous gen flagship, unprecedented
if 5080 wasn't gimped so much everyone would've gotten it, imayine being unable to outperform previous gen flagship, unprecedented
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:51:06 No.103931000
local nvidiot shill mad cause radeon gpus sell lmfaooo
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:51:59 No.103931007
>>103930991
4K chads continue to win with DLSS.
4K chads continue to win with DLSS.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:52:38 No.103931010
>>103930976
What are you talking about anon? Forget the rich fags with 4090. There are normal people too.
What are you talking about anon? Forget the rich fags with 4090. There are normal people too.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:53:21 No.103931018
why is head of radeon serbian??????
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:53:45 No.103931023
>>103930976
Because the game's rigged by design.
NVIDIA GeForce is deliberately segmenting their product features to upsell gamers to buy higher-tier cards.
Because the game's rigged by design.
NVIDIA GeForce is deliberately segmenting their product features to upsell gamers to buy higher-tier cards.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:56:01 No.103931043
>>103930992
but the 4090 was an enigma. they never had a top gpu be so far and away from the rest of the line, how could you expect the next gen 5080 to compete for cheap?
>>103931010
what am i talking about? have you seen the posts...? >>103930476
>>103931023
im as anti-monopoly as the next guy, but theres nothing wrong with a company making a product that will sell at the price they choose. if the 5090s instantly go out of stock, and they will, they will increase in price next time because people obviously still want them
but the 4090 was an enigma. they never had a top gpu be so far and away from the rest of the line, how could you expect the next gen 5080 to compete for cheap?
>>103931010
what am i talking about? have you seen the posts...? >>103930476
>>103931023
im as anti-monopoly as the next guy, but theres nothing wrong with a company making a product that will sell at the price they choose. if the 5090s instantly go out of stock, and they will, they will increase in price next time because people obviously still want them
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:56:25 No.103931047
>>103931018
Mommy Su hires the best people instead of the DEI like shintel.
Mommy Su hires the best people instead of the DEI like shintel.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:56:46 No.103931052
12600K, 3070ti, Asus PRIME Z790-P WIFI mobo
6000CL30 is still the recommended RAM config?
6000CL30 is still the recommended RAM config?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:58:04 No.103931061
>>103931047
are not serbs known for not getting along with other people
especially muslim and gypsies
not that i know anything about that guy tho
are not serbs known for not getting along with other people
especially muslim and gypsies
not that i know anything about that guy tho
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:59:28 No.103931069
>>103931061
>not getting along with other people
>especially muslim and gypsies
Is that a bad thing? You want inbred muzzies and 80iq brainded monkes designing chips?
>not getting along with other people
>especially muslim and gypsies
Is that a bad thing? You want inbred muzzies and 80iq brainded monkes designing chips?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:59:55 No.103931072
>>103931000
>radeon gpus sell
No they don't, which is a good thing because fewer people get fucked over. Imagine if Radeon had released a 2080 Ti """""competitor"""""
The 6800 XT vs 3080 was the same way: 6800 XT was useless within its own generation, while the 3080 is still relevant today
>>103931043
>how could you expect the next gen 5080 to compete for cheap?
Depends on what you mean by cheap, but the street pricing of 4090 gaming perf will probably fall by 50%. A good generation would see the *70 class compete with the previous gen high end in base performance, e.g., 1070 > 980 Ti or 3070 = 2080 Ti. One of the underlying problems this gen is that the node is pretty similar to the last gen's node, meaning you don't get the big improvements because manufacturing hasn't substantially improved. RTX 60 will be the gen where base performance jumps, but of course pricing might also increase, so value might not be that much better.
>radeon gpus sell
No they don't, which is a good thing because fewer people get fucked over. Imagine if Radeon had released a 2080 Ti """""competitor"""""
The 6800 XT vs 3080 was the same way: 6800 XT was useless within its own generation, while the 3080 is still relevant today
>>103931043
>how could you expect the next gen 5080 to compete for cheap?
Depends on what you mean by cheap, but the street pricing of 4090 gaming perf will probably fall by 50%. A good generation would see the *70 class compete with the previous gen high end in base performance, e.g., 1070 > 980 Ti or 3070 = 2080 Ti. One of the underlying problems this gen is that the node is pretty similar to the last gen's node, meaning you don't get the big improvements because manufacturing hasn't substantially improved. RTX 60 will be the gen where base performance jumps, but of course pricing might also increase, so value might not be that much better.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)11:59:58 No.103931073
What is the best LGA 775 motherboard?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:01:12 No.103931081
>>103931069
did not radeon previously have that jeet raja kudori? and he left as soon as this one came
>>103931072
bro they sell like million units per quarter ,and that is just dedicated consumer ones, what are you babbling about
did not radeon previously have that jeet raja kudori? and he left as soon as this one came
>>103931072
bro they sell like million units per quarter ,and that is just dedicated consumer ones, what are you babbling about
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:01:55 No.103931087
>>103931043
>but theres nothing wrong with a company making a product that will sell at the price they choose.
The problem is NVIDIA GeForce is intentionally segmenting entry & mid-tier RTX cards to encourge consumers to step-up to the higher model.
>'4060 isn't good enough? Spend $300 more for the 4070 12GB'
>'4070 isn't good enough? Spend $200~500 more for the 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super'
That is intentional, and the execs are proud of running a great business (for the company).
>“Looking into the millions of desktop GeForce gamers who we know have upgraded their GPU to a 30-series, they are buying up,” Nvidia SVP Jeff Fisher said during the event.
>“The GPU is offering more value than ever. Based on our data, they are spending $300 more than they paid for the graphics card they replaced,”
The businessmen are going to love these online conversations because their strategy is working very well.
They did find some pricing limit in the process like the $1200 RTX 4080 and the $800 4070 Ti 12GB (originally $900 4080 12GB).
>but theres nothing wrong with a company making a product that will sell at the price they choose.
The problem is NVIDIA GeForce is intentionally segmenting entry & mid-tier RTX cards to encourge consumers to step-up to the higher model.
>'4060 isn't good enough? Spend $300 more for the 4070 12GB'
>'4070 isn't good enough? Spend $200~500 more for the 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super'
That is intentional, and the execs are proud of running a great business (for the company).
>“Looking into the millions of desktop GeForce gamers who we know have upgraded their GPU to a 30-series, they are buying up,” Nvidia SVP Jeff Fisher said during the event.
>“The GPU is offering more value than ever. Based on our data, they are spending $300 more than they paid for the graphics card they replaced,”
The businessmen are going to love these online conversations because their strategy is working very well.
They did find some pricing limit in the process like the $1200 RTX 4080 and the $800 4070 Ti 12GB (originally $900 4080 12GB).
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:01:58 No.103931090
>>103931073
All the boards will have dead caps and shit, so super micro?
All the boards will have dead caps and shit, so super micro?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:02:57 No.103931101
>>103931090
Late LGA 775 boards should be better if they don't use dodgy capacitors.
Late LGA 775 boards should be better if they don't use dodgy capacitors.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:03:13 No.103931102
>>103931087
I forgot to add this great bit of RTX 40 series launch:
>If you have $1200 to buy a 4080, you can spend $1600 on a 4090.
And that worked extremely well. NVIDIA do run a great business.
I forgot to add this great bit of RTX 40 series launch:
>If you have $1200 to buy a 4080, you can spend $1600 on a 4090.
And that worked extremely well. NVIDIA do run a great business.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:03:28 No.103931104
>>103931043
core count increase
clock increase
they are on gddr7 with around 30% extra bandwidth yet you can barely get 10% performance out of it?
core count increase
clock increase
they are on gddr7 with around 30% extra bandwidth yet you can barely get 10% performance out of it?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:04:45 No.103931113
>>103931101
Don't buy ewaste anon.
Don't buy ewaste anon.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:05:42 No.103931121
>>103931081
RTG's marketing can dupe some people (or who knows, probably in some areas Nvidia cards aren't available for some reason, like export restrictions), but the percentage is low
RTG's marketing can dupe some people (or who knows, probably in some areas Nvidia cards aren't available for some reason, like export restrictions), but the percentage is low
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:05:46 No.103931123
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:06:26 No.103931130
>>103931104
>clock increase
Power-throttled according to Chinese reviewers, on par with 4090 gaming clock speeds (2700MHz avg, stock settings).
5090D's only gaming limitation is its hard 575W power limit, that's only 25W less than the 12V-2x6 cable's rated capacity.
>clock increase
Power-throttled according to Chinese reviewers, on par with 4090 gaming clock speeds (2700MHz avg, stock settings).
5090D's only gaming limitation is its hard 575W power limit, that's only 25W less than the 12V-2x6 cable's rated capacity.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:06:46 No.103931135
>>103931113
Buy the dip. LGA 775 will go up in price. Perfect for building old systems.
Buy the dip. LGA 775 will go up in price. Perfect for building old systems.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:07:23 No.103931143
>>103930909
ywnbaw
ywnbaw
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:07:29 No.103931144
>>103931121
yes share is like 10% but they sell million units, and that is a fucking LOT
yes share is like 10% but they sell million units, and that is a fucking LOT
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:09:23 No.103931165
>>103931072
>but the street pricing of 4090 gaming perf will probably fall by 50%.
again, the 4090 is an engima. i wouldnt say this is going to happen just because previous gens flagships did this
>>103931087
>The problem is NVIDIA GeForce is intentionally segmenting entry & mid-tier RTX cards to encourge consumers to step-up to the higher model.
doesnt matter if they sell. people need to find a way to compete with nvidia, whether thats through govt intervention or not, if they want cheaper prices. nvidia cant make consumers have more money; if things sell, they sell. and if they sell, it means the market was there at that price point, and even competitors wont undercut it, so its not completely a monopoly issue. its just how it is. if there is demand, then the demand must be met, and if you can increase your price on the way to meet that demand and everything still sells, well, that just means that the person complaining about the whole thing needs to re-evaluate how much demand there is. thats what you need to do; there is more demand for these things than you think
>but the street pricing of 4090 gaming perf will probably fall by 50%.
again, the 4090 is an engima. i wouldnt say this is going to happen just because previous gens flagships did this
>>103931087
>The problem is NVIDIA GeForce is intentionally segmenting entry & mid-tier RTX cards to encourge consumers to step-up to the higher model.
doesnt matter if they sell. people need to find a way to compete with nvidia, whether thats through govt intervention or not, if they want cheaper prices. nvidia cant make consumers have more money; if things sell, they sell. and if they sell, it means the market was there at that price point, and even competitors wont undercut it, so its not completely a monopoly issue. its just how it is. if there is demand, then the demand must be met, and if you can increase your price on the way to meet that demand and everything still sells, well, that just means that the person complaining about the whole thing needs to re-evaluate how much demand there is. thats what you need to do; there is more demand for these things than you think
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:12:00 No.103931186
id buy nvidiot if they had GTX option
i literally DO NOT care about AI slopshit
i literally DO NOT care about AI slopshit
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:14:22 No.103931211
>>103931165
It's not about the price, it's about deliberately hamstringing lower-tier GPUs.
The 3070/Ti and 3080 10GB still have a serviceable processor but being VRAM limited in newer games is an example.
Can you seriously recommend the RTX 4060 to your friends?
It's not about the price, it's about deliberately hamstringing lower-tier GPUs.
The 3070/Ti and 3080 10GB still have a serviceable processor but being VRAM limited in newer games is an example.
Can you seriously recommend the RTX 4060 to your friends?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:16:25 No.103931222
What's a decent amount of overhead to have for PSU?
I'm realizing after I plugged in my M2s, both of my vault HDDs, and my sound card into PCpartpicker I sit at 902w estimated on a 1000w PSU.
I'm realizing after I plugged in my M2s, both of my vault HDDs, and my sound card into PCpartpicker I sit at 902w estimated on a 1000w PSU.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:16:53 No.103931226
>>103931211
ofc you can when you are mentally ill shill
ofc you can when you are mentally ill shill
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:19:16 No.103931241
NVIDIA deliberately cripples perfectly fine GPUs to prevent extended ownership of their cards.
You don't have to take sides of a corporation that doesn't give a fuck about you to accept this reality.
https://videocardz.com/newz/modded-geforce-rtx-3070-with-16gb-memory-gets-major-1-low-fps-boost
You don't have to take sides of a corporation that doesn't give a fuck about you to accept this reality.
https://videocardz.com/newz/modded-
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:21:11 No.103931255
>>103931222
100w is a good over head, for you 1000w or 1200w will be a good fit.
100w is a good over head, for you 1000w or 1200w will be a good fit.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:22:24 No.103931269
What's better value, one phasesheet or 45g of arctic mx-4 thermal paste for 14 dollars?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:22:35 No.103931270
>>103931226
>im a mentally ill shill
>i started this convo by pointing out that the thread only recommends the most expensive product
lol
>>103931211
its always about price, and my argument doesnt say that no foul play is happening. theres always foul play, everywhere. but price always matters because relative performance always matters. for someone that just wants the best bang for the buck, there will always be an answer when one searches for it hard enough. there will always be a card that has the best fps/$. that is the one they should get. it doesnt matter what gen its from
still, ill only be recommending rtx 50 series cards. this is because the avg joe doesnt care if he needs dlss 4 to get higher framerates. only we autists here care about how it looks shittier
>im a mentally ill shill
>i started this convo by pointing out that the thread only recommends the most expensive product
lol
>>103931211
its always about price, and my argument doesnt say that no foul play is happening. theres always foul play, everywhere. but price always matters because relative performance always matters. for someone that just wants the best bang for the buck, there will always be an answer when one searches for it hard enough. there will always be a card that has the best fps/$. that is the one they should get. it doesnt matter what gen its from
still, ill only be recommending rtx 50 series cards. this is because the avg joe doesnt care if he needs dlss 4 to get higher framerates. only we autists here care about how it looks shittier
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:22:46 No.103931275
I used to upgrade every 3 years. Now I upgrade every 5. Next upgrade might be in 6 years.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:23:36 No.103931284
>>103931269
mx4 is plenty anon.
mx4 is plenty anon.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:23:37 No.103931285
>>103931270
it is literally first time i replied to you mentally unstable retard you are posting on a public forum
it is literally first time i replied to you mentally unstable retard you are posting on a public forum
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:25:47 No.103931300
>>103931269
>45g of arctic mx-4 thermal paste
Way too much to store unless you're repairing video cards every day for a living.
I've used half of my 8g MX-6 tube for like 3 years.
I replaced a CPU, motherboard, and changed contact frame screw torques a few times that all required repastes.
>45g of arctic mx-4 thermal paste
Way too much to store unless you're repairing video cards every day for a living.
I've used half of my 8g MX-6 tube for like 3 years.
I replaced a CPU, motherboard, and changed contact frame screw torques a few times that all required repastes.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:26:28 No.103931305
>>103931241
Wait, so the image is showing a modded 3070 next to a "fresh" one on the right?
Wait, so the image is showing a modded 3070 next to a "fresh" one on the right?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:27:05 No.103931313
>>103930476
>Also friendly reminder just because your system says 600W on pcpartpicker does not mean it's drawing that much at the wall and your 900W UPS will work perfectly fine.
I would atleast match the UPS to the PSU regardless of wattage.
A 900w UPS isn't designed to handle the inrush from a PSU that is higher wattage.
I think I've killed a few UPS units with running a 1200w PSU even if the system draws 700w maximum. Everytime I tried to warranty them they always asked my PSU wattage and of course I low balled the number.
>Also friendly reminder just because your system says 600W on pcpartpicker does not mean it's drawing that much at the wall and your 900W UPS will work perfectly fine.
I would atleast match the UPS to the PSU regardless of wattage.
A 900w UPS isn't designed to handle the inrush from a PSU that is higher wattage.
I think I've killed a few UPS units with running a 1200w PSU even if the system draws 700w maximum. Everytime I tried to warranty them they always asked my PSU wattage and of course I low balled the number.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:27:24 No.103931314
Is swapping my 4080s for a 5080 a good idea just for that DP 2.1 if nothing else? I want to buy one of those 4k 240Hz OLEDs in the next couple of months, and I'm not entirely sure about those current compression methods.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:28:19 No.103931324
>>103931255
Yeah I'm asking because I already bought and recieved my 1000w PSU and realized I forgot to factor in those other bits to the power estimate when I ordered originally, before with just the core parts of the build I was sitting at 834w
>>103931275
Same, I skipped 40 series entirely
>>103931300
I keep buying new tubes every upgrade cycle because I keep forgetting I have one already, so I have like 3 of the little tubes of Arctic Silver sitting in my PC kit that I will never go through at this rate
Yeah I'm asking because I already bought and recieved my 1000w PSU and realized I forgot to factor in those other bits to the power estimate when I ordered originally, before with just the core parts of the build I was sitting at 834w
>>103931275
Same, I skipped 40 series entirely
>>103931300
I keep buying new tubes every upgrade cycle because I keep forgetting I have one already, so I have like 3 of the little tubes of Arctic Silver sitting in my PC kit that I will never go through at this rate
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:29:59 No.103931340
>>103931165
>the 4090 is an engima
It's really not. Compare 3090 Ti vs 4090 against 980 Ti vs 1080 Ti or 2080 Ti vs 3090 Ti. Naming doesn't really matter, it's high end vs high end. Use the Titans if you want
>>103931186
You're paying for AI whether you like it or not.
>>103931211
>Can you seriously recommend the RTX 4060 to your friends?
Yes, if he's one of my Apex or PUBG buddies who needs a new card. A lot of my friends only play multiplayer. Housemate has a 4060 laptop and loves it. Mostly plays LoL but also enjoys fighting games
>>103931241
>user error settings
>in a trash tier radeon sponsored port
The comparable Radeon cards (e.g., RX 6800) have aged much worse. You can wish for more and better everything on a graphics card. There's no games a 4060 can't play (or a 3070). Don't kid yourself into thinking that the 3070 is enough for high end settings (and the muh VRAM 6800 is even worse because no DLSS)
>>103931275
WaitingTM until RTX 60 is viable for most people, considering the lack of generational improvement and that conslows haven't been substantially upgraded
>>103931314
No, unless the swap is nearly cost and hassle free
>the 4090 is an engima
It's really not. Compare 3090 Ti vs 4090 against 980 Ti vs 1080 Ti or 2080 Ti vs 3090 Ti. Naming doesn't really matter, it's high end vs high end. Use the Titans if you want
>>103931186
You're paying for AI whether you like it or not.
>>103931211
>Can you seriously recommend the RTX 4060 to your friends?
Yes, if he's one of my Apex or PUBG buddies who needs a new card. A lot of my friends only play multiplayer. Housemate has a 4060 laptop and loves it. Mostly plays LoL but also enjoys fighting games
>>103931241
>user error settings
>in a trash tier radeon sponsored port
The comparable Radeon cards (e.g., RX 6800) have aged much worse. You can wish for more and better everything on a graphics card. There's no games a 4060 can't play (or a 3070). Don't kid yourself into thinking that the 3070 is enough for high end settings (and the muh VRAM 6800 is even worse because no DLSS)
>>103931275
WaitingTM until RTX 60 is viable for most people, considering the lack of generational improvement and that conslows haven't been substantially upgraded
>>103931314
No, unless the swap is nearly cost and hassle free
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:30:01 No.103931342
>>103931324
If its a good 1000w, there is nothing to worry, pcpart picker tells the worst case scenario, you are almost never going to hit 900w, you will be fine.
If its a good 1000w, there is nothing to worry, pcpart picker tells the worst case scenario, you are almost never going to hit 900w, you will be fine.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:30:03 No.103931343
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:31:23 No.103931357
>>103931305
yes.
>FPS minimo: minimum
>FPS medio: average
These hardware modders are not some random hues, they are a Galax-sponsored XOC team.
They implanted a 4090 GPU to a 3090 Ti Galax Hall of Fame PCB because the 3090 Ti has better-binned GDDR6X chips.
They are planning to replace the 5090's GDDR7 chips to the better-binned 5080's in the future.
>>103931340
>>in a trash tier radeon sponsored port
More VRAM can improve performance in "trash tier ports", which are most AAA games.
yes.
>FPS minimo: minimum
>FPS medio: average
These hardware modders are not some random hues, they are a Galax-sponsored XOC team.
They implanted a 4090 GPU to a 3090 Ti Galax Hall of Fame PCB because the 3090 Ti has better-binned GDDR6X chips.
They are planning to replace the 5090's GDDR7 chips to the better-binned 5080's in the future.
>>103931340
>>in a trash tier radeon sponsored port
More VRAM can improve performance in "trash tier ports", which are most AAA games.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:32:32 No.103931362
>>103931357
why would they put better binning on the 5080?
why would they put better binning on the 5080?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:34:32 No.103931380
>>103931343
Nah I got the FSP Hydro TI on a friend's recommendation, she said that shit was whisper quiet and yeah, I can barely hear her PC even at load, makes mine sound like someone flooring it with a jet engine in comparision
Nah I got the FSP Hydro TI on a friend's recommendation, she said that shit was whisper quiet and yeah, I can barely hear her PC even at load, makes mine sound like someone flooring it with a jet engine in comparision
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:35:02 No.103931383
The age of 8000 cl30 is upon us. Does this translate to performance?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:36:15 No.103931403
>>103931362
Because the 5080's GPU is that fucking mediocre and needs all the help it can get.
The same thing happened to the 4080 Super, it has better-binned GDDR6X chips than the 4090's.
Check the effective memory bandwidth specs in the links below.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4090.c3889
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5090.c4216
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5080.c4217
>'only 2Gbps difference'
The GDDR7 chips on the 5080 will overclock higher at the same 1.2V stock voltage restriction, guaranteed.
Because the 5080's GPU is that fucking mediocre and needs all the help it can get.
The same thing happened to the 4080 Super, it has better-binned GDDR6X chips than the 4090's.
Check the effective memory bandwidth specs in the links below.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spe
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spe
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spe
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spe
>'only 2Gbps difference'
The GDDR7 chips on the 5080 will overclock higher at the same 1.2V stock voltage restriction, guaranteed.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:36:38 No.103931408
>>103931380
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/5/
That is literally one of the best PSUs around. You'll be fine.
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/be
That is literally one of the best PSUs around. You'll be fine.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:36:50 No.103931409
The Phanteks case I built my last PC in back in 2020 came with 3 front intake fans and no exhaust and I've used it for 5 years without exhaust.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:38:47 No.103931430
>>103931357
>More VRAM can improve performance in "trash tier ports", which are most AAA games.
Depends on your settings. REm4ke, the pic related in >>103931241 has RT that actively damages image quality. The first thing you do is turn off RT in REm4ke. That's my point: yes, you have to manage settings with a three or four year old 3070, but you have to do the same with the 6800, and the final product will look much better on the 3070 because of DLSS as opposed to FSR
Especially while both cards were in their heyday, the 3070 was a much better card (as it is a much better card now). The RX 6800 didn't even get FSR2 until a year into its life. Complain about the VRAM all you want, but it hasn't been a big deal and when comparing cross vendor, the 3070 even with its stingy VRAM was and is the much better card. These cards don't exist in a vacuum.
I would have rather the 3070 had 12 GB (similar to the 2080 Ti), but in practical usage the VRAM was rarely a problem, and slightly settings optimization solves the problems when they do exist
>More VRAM can improve performance in "trash tier ports", which are most AAA games.
Depends on your settings. REm4ke, the pic related in >>103931241 has RT that actively damages image quality. The first thing you do is turn off RT in REm4ke. That's my point: yes, you have to manage settings with a three or four year old 3070, but you have to do the same with the 6800, and the final product will look much better on the 3070 because of DLSS as opposed to FSR
Especially while both cards were in their heyday, the 3070 was a much better card (as it is a much better card now). The RX 6800 didn't even get FSR2 until a year into its life. Complain about the VRAM all you want, but it hasn't been a big deal and when comparing cross vendor, the 3070 even with its stingy VRAM was and is the much better card. These cards don't exist in a vacuum.
I would have rather the 3070 had 12 GB (similar to the 2080 Ti), but in practical usage the VRAM was rarely a problem, and slightly settings optimization solves the problems when they do exist
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:38:59 No.103931432
>>103931409
literally one of the best cases of all time--the fractal torrent--has no exhaust fan.
literally one of the best cases of all time--the fractal torrent--has no exhaust fan.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:41:26 No.103931458
is vram important for me if I'm not planning on playing in 4k ever?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:41:58 No.103931463
>>103931430
No one is comparing the 3070 to the 6800 but you.
You keep trying to skirt around the reality the 3070/Ti and the 3080's GPUs are hamstrung by their 8 & 10GB VRAM configurations.
Their GPU chips are fine. The mind rot in this guy is incredible.
No one is comparing the 3070 to the 6800 but you.
You keep trying to skirt around the reality the 3070/Ti and the 3080's GPUs are hamstrung by their 8 & 10GB VRAM configurations.
Their GPU chips are fine. The mind rot in this guy is incredible.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:42:33 No.103931465
>>103931383
>Does this translate to performance?
Intel? Maybe.
AMD? Hell no, even 2233 FCLK bottlenecks maxed out 6000MT/s.
At most you'd a mild latency benefit, but that would never show up in anything but pure synthetics.
>Does this translate to performance?
Intel? Maybe.
AMD? Hell no, even 2233 FCLK bottlenecks maxed out 6000MT/s.
At most you'd a mild latency benefit, but that would never show up in anything but pure synthetics.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:43:19 No.103931479
>>103931458
these days yes, under 12gb can cause issues on some games and res
intels b580 has 12gb vram and costs mere 330€ and its certainly no 4k gpu
then for 1440p you might want 16gb just for the future
these days yes, under 12gb can cause issues on some games and res
intels b580 has 12gb vram and costs mere 330€ and its certainly no 4k gpu
then for 1440p you might want 16gb just for the future
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:45:06 No.103931500
>>103931430 (me)
>yes, you have to manage settings with a three or four year old 3070
This doubly true when the so called max settings are often meaningless, such as pic related, which is one of those games that VRAMemers like to use to complain about VRAM. And let me also point out that mindless max settings isn't the way to judge a midrange card, just like judging a low end card by its performance with high end CPUs isn't reasonable. You're not going to be running path tracing on a 4060, not because of the VRAM, but because of the performance of the core.
>>103931443
>>103931463
Look bud, I wish Nvidia had released the 3090 at $300. Happy? Wish all you want but it's time to move out of the theoretical into the practical
>hamstrung
Simply wrong
>yes, you have to manage settings with a three or four year old 3070
This doubly true when the so called max settings are often meaningless, such as pic related, which is one of those games that VRAMemers like to use to complain about VRAM. And let me also point out that mindless max settings isn't the way to judge a midrange card, just like judging a low end card by its performance with high end CPUs isn't reasonable. You're not going to be running path tracing on a 4060, not because of the VRAM, but because of the performance of the core.
>>103931443
>>103931463
Look bud, I wish Nvidia had released the 3090 at $300. Happy? Wish all you want but it's time to move out of the theoretical into the practical
>hamstrung
Simply wrong
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:45:57 No.103931512
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:48:18 No.103931538
https://x.com/GeForce_JacobF/status/1879587262142488713
NVIDIA WON
THANK YOU NVIDIA
NVIDIA WON
THANK YOU NVIDIA
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:48:42 No.103931541
>>103931500
>Look bud, I wish Nvidia had released the 3090 at $300. Happy? Wish all you want but it's time to move out of the theoretical into the practical
Look at this kid, as if people were asking for a 3070 with 24GB VRAM.
>>hamstrung
>Simply wrong
Simply right.
A 3070 with enough VRAM can run RE4 with +10 FPS average, +20 FPS minimum, +62 FPS 1% lows, and +37 FPS 0.1% lows.
That's the definition of a GPU being hamstrung by its VRAM limitation.
Complete mind rot on this guy.
>Look bud, I wish Nvidia had released the 3090 at $300. Happy? Wish all you want but it's time to move out of the theoretical into the practical
Look at this kid, as if people were asking for a 3070 with 24GB VRAM.
>>hamstrung
>Simply wrong
Simply right.
A 3070 with enough VRAM can run RE4 with +10 FPS average, +20 FPS minimum, +62 FPS 1% lows, and +37 FPS 0.1% lows.
That's the definition of a GPU being hamstrung by its VRAM limitation.
Complete mind rot on this guy.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:49:05 No.103931546
>>103904216
>Please stop the autistic blog posting and just return the fucking OLED. Someone with OCD so bad that a few minutes refresh every 4-8hrs makes them complain about it on an anonymous website over and over again should be spending money on psychiatric help, not OLEDs.
here in lies the problem
you say "every 4-8 hours", but you are not taking into account this is totally random if the pixel refresh did not trigger or not, it counts up to 16 and then its forced
you might sit down for 1 hour and fuck around, pixel refresh now triggered due to the counter ran up to 16 due to not refreshing yet
it has nothing to do with a consistent 4-8, its every 16h
if I'm correct TVs, at least LG or Samsung do not behave like this, they trigger when the panel is shut off, they don't ever force any after hours of use do they?
I would not call it ocd, I would rather burn in my oled than suffer annoying things
but idk
>Please stop the autistic blog posting and just return the fucking OLED. Someone with OCD so bad that a few minutes refresh every 4-8hrs makes them complain about it on an anonymous website over and over again should be spending money on psychiatric help, not OLEDs.
here in lies the problem
you say "every 4-8 hours", but you are not taking into account this is totally random if the pixel refresh did not trigger or not, it counts up to 16 and then its forced
you might sit down for 1 hour and fuck around, pixel refresh now triggered due to the counter ran up to 16 due to not refreshing yet
it has nothing to do with a consistent 4-8, its every 16h
if I'm correct TVs, at least LG or Samsung do not behave like this, they trigger when the panel is shut off, they don't ever force any after hours of use do they?
I would not call it ocd, I would rather burn in my oled than suffer annoying things
but idk
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:49:41 No.103931551
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:50:08 No.103931554
someone ran blender benchmark with 5090 its around 36 % faster than 4090 https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?device_name=NVIDIA%20GeForce%20RTX%205090
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:52:17 No.103931574
>>103931546
At this point, you just love getting this attention about a minor pixel refresh inconvenience.
Run the pixel refresh ahead of time if you're going to use the PC for 4 or 16 consecutive hours.
If it pops up, just take a fucking 10-minute break away from the screen.
You seem to sorely need it.
If you don't want to do any of those things, shut the fuck up and return that pos.
But you're keeping it to have something to bitch about in your uneventful life.
And you like the attention.
At this point, you just love getting this attention about a minor pixel refresh inconvenience.
Run the pixel refresh ahead of time if you're going to use the PC for 4 or 16 consecutive hours.
If it pops up, just take a fucking 10-minute break away from the screen.
You seem to sorely need it.
If you don't want to do any of those things, shut the fuck up and return that pos.
But you're keeping it to have something to bitch about in your uneventful life.
And you like the attention.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:53:13 No.103931583
>>103931554
yes i'm very happy for 5090 owners with yet another big VRAM and hardware upgrade. too bad for everyone else they're lucky to get 10%.
yes i'm very happy for 5090 owners with yet another big VRAM and hardware upgrade. too bad for everyone else they're lucky to get 10%.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:56:05 No.103931607
>>103930427
I can't believe the entire 50 series was a complete nothingburger
I can't believe the entire 50 series was a complete nothingburger
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:57:29 No.103931622
>>103931607
its fine, people with 30xx gpus will still upgrade to it over 40xx to get its software features
its fine, people with 30xx gpus will still upgrade to it over 40xx to get its software features
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:57:30 No.103931623
5080 is absolutely DOA
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)12:59:41 No.103931645
>>103931623
Why are people saying this? Cheaper and faster than a 4080S and come with more features.
Why are people saying this? Cheaper and faster than a 4080S and come with more features.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:01:06 No.103931665
>>103931645
just look at the aftermarket prices once FE is gone instantly
just look at the aftermarket prices once FE is gone instantly
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:01:13 No.103931669
benchmarks for the 5090 FE on friday right?
Or was this just leaks?
Or was this just leaks?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:04:22 No.103931692
>>103931458
Generally no, but at the same time VRAM requirements actually don't change that much between 1080p and 4K. That's a myth. Yes, 4K will use more VRAM, but it's not by an astounding amount. I think if you don't want to have to worry about VRAM (just leave all those settings at max without having to think about it), a 12 GB card is the way to go. You can look at games like the newer Horizon, Avatar, Ratchet and Clank, which all either need optimization to prevent frametime issues or lower average performance. Having said that, VRAM is the last concern even at 1080p. The main concerns are, in order of importance: reconstruction (quality and support), base performance, and VRAM
>>103931541
REm4ke at max settings is an outlier, and a retarded game to cherrypick at that
https://youtu.be/uMHLeHN4kYg?si=2QNbl_ZIlThvNCIL&t=451
If that's your best example then you have no argument. I can think of a few games where 8 GB VRAM necessitates optimization of VRAM related settings in a way that lowers image quality (not like REm4ke or TLoU), but again, these are rare, not the norm, and the games are easily playable on next to max settings (again, on an older midrange card)
This is hardly the definition of hamstrung or crippled.
Generally no, but at the same time VRAM requirements actually don't change that much between 1080p and 4K. That's a myth. Yes, 4K will use more VRAM, but it's not by an astounding amount. I think if you don't want to have to worry about VRAM (just leave all those settings at max without having to think about it), a 12 GB card is the way to go. You can look at games like the newer Horizon, Avatar, Ratchet and Clank, which all either need optimization to prevent frametime issues or lower average performance. Having said that, VRAM is the last concern even at 1080p. The main concerns are, in order of importance: reconstruction (quality and support), base performance, and VRAM
>>103931541
REm4ke at max settings is an outlier, and a retarded game to cherrypick at that
https://youtu.be/uMHLeHN4kYg?si=2QN
If that's your best example then you have no argument. I can think of a few games where 8 GB VRAM necessitates optimization of VRAM related settings in a way that lowers image quality (not like REm4ke or TLoU), but again, these are rare, not the norm, and the games are easily playable on next to max settings (again, on an older midrange card)
This is hardly the definition of hamstrung or crippled.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:07:42 No.103931723
>>103931692
>Same GPU, one with more VRAM
>The modded card with more VRAM runs the same test game performantly
>'The original card's GPU isn't being hamstrung! It's not crippled!'
Mindrot.
It's okay to accept that NVIDIA deliberately restricts the performance of entry & mid-range video cards to prevent extended ownership.
They are entitled to run that kind of business, and we are entitled to criticize that business practice.
>Same GPU, one with more VRAM
>The modded card with more VRAM runs the same test game performantly
>'The original card's GPU isn't being hamstrung! It's not crippled!'
Mindrot.
It's okay to accept that NVIDIA deliberately restricts the performance of entry & mid-range video cards to prevent extended ownership.
They are entitled to run that kind of business, and we are entitled to criticize that business practice.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:09:21 No.103931742
>new AGESA is out
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:11:50 No.103931774
>>103931645
There is a good chance it will be just a measly bit better than rx9070xt and 5070ti and that is recepie for disaster in its own right.
There is a good chance it will be just a measly bit better than rx9070xt and 5070ti and that is recepie for disaster in its own right.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:12:06 No.103931777
>>103931723
>to prevent extended ownership.
You're pretending that the VRAM prevents extended ownership. It doesn't. Show me a game that's not playable (we're talking playable, i.e., >>103931072 Indiana Jones is not playable on a 5700 XT) on a 3070.
>NVIDIA deliberately restricts the performance of entry & mid-range video cards
May as well complain that the 3090 wasn't released for $300.
>to prevent extended ownership.
You're pretending that the VRAM prevents extended ownership. It doesn't. Show me a game that's not playable (we're talking playable, i.e., >>103931072 Indiana Jones is not playable on a 5700 XT) on a 3070.
>NVIDIA deliberately restricts the performance of entry & mid-range video cards
May as well complain that the 3090 wasn't released for $300.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:14:14 No.103931797
What are the chances that 9070xt will be a good mid-upper mid range gpu? I'm oddly optimistica
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:14:36 No.103931800
>>103931777
>You're pretending that the VRAM prevents extended ownership. It doesn't.
It does, there are plenty of 3070/Ti and 3080 owners who are bitter about their card's memory configurations.
Go through the /pcbg/ archives on your own time. That's just in these threads btw.
>May as well complain that the 3090 wasn't released for $300.
These kinds of exaggerations only show you're being desperate. You are a sad man. Everyone knows that already.
>You're pretending that the VRAM prevents extended ownership. It doesn't.
It does, there are plenty of 3070/Ti and 3080 owners who are bitter about their card's memory configurations.
Go through the /pcbg/ archives on your own time. That's just in these threads btw.
>May as well complain that the 3090 wasn't released for $300.
These kinds of exaggerations only show you're being desperate. You are a sad man. Everyone knows that already.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:15:00 No.103931806
>>103931574
>Run the pixel refresh ahead of time if you're going to use the PC for 4 or 16 consecutive hours.
This would be a viable plan, if *IF* you could set a quick button on the osd joystick, I believe asus literally has one direction of the osd joystick set to pixel refresh, this monitors osd does not have that
so let me get this straight -> reach to behind monitor -> click -> scroll far to left to pixel refresh menu -> open -> scroll down to pixel refresh sub menue -> possibly check time or not when it was last done -> open menu for pixel refresh -> look at it saying its gonna do it (delay from here) -> it now runs it for ??? time (6minutes~) if you use audio from monitor it now goes mute too so you cant even listen to stuff -> its now done -> you can NOW use the monitor
all these things should not be dealt with which could simply be religated to never running a forced pixel refresh thingy unless the monitor just sleeps
don't hate me because I do not condone anti consoomer behaviour
>But you're keeping it to have something to bitch about in your uneventful life.
pretty true, but I have shit posted here about far worse things and this is an important thing, and firmwares should not be shit in monitors or tvs or displays. simple as
but I should really get more money and stop caring
but even then I would take least annoying options
>And you like the attention.
>At this point, you just love getting this attention about a minor pixel refresh inconvenience.
nah shit posting is a jolly good time, about it
I will probably most likely return for now and either go full TV in the future for cinema and experiencemaxxing and/or get a IPS slopper for monitor OR one of the newer qdoleds if the dp2.1 and firmware things get better
to be continued another time
>Run the pixel refresh ahead of time if you're going to use the PC for 4 or 16 consecutive hours.
This would be a viable plan, if *IF* you could set a quick button on the osd joystick, I believe asus literally has one direction of the osd joystick set to pixel refresh, this monitors osd does not have that
so let me get this straight -> reach to behind monitor -> click -> scroll far to left to pixel refresh menu -> open -> scroll down to pixel refresh sub menue -> possibly check time or not when it was last done -> open menu for pixel refresh -> look at it saying its gonna do it (delay from here) -> it now runs it for ??? time (6minutes~) if you use audio from monitor it now goes mute too so you cant even listen to stuff -> its now done -> you can NOW use the monitor
all these things should not be dealt with which could simply be religated to never running a forced pixel refresh thingy unless the monitor just sleeps
don't hate me because I do not condone anti consoomer behaviour
>But you're keeping it to have something to bitch about in your uneventful life.
pretty true, but I have shit posted here about far worse things and this is an important thing, and firmwares should not be shit in monitors or tvs or displays. simple as
but I should really get more money and stop caring
but even then I would take least annoying options
>And you like the attention.
>At this point, you just love getting this attention about a minor pixel refresh inconvenience.
nah shit posting is a jolly good time, about it
I will probably most likely return for now and either go full TV in the future for cinema and experiencemaxxing and/or get a IPS slopper for monitor OR one of the newer qdoleds if the dp2.1 and firmware things get better
to be continued another time
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:20:34 No.103931875
>>103931797
Pretty good chance I'd say. That one leak showed 4080 raster and 4070ti RT performance.
How good it is will boil down to pricing
Pretty good chance I'd say. That one leak showed 4080 raster and 4070ti RT performance.
How good it is will boil down to pricing
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:21:32 No.103931889
>>103931574
bonus meme
counted the amount of clicks to reach pixel refresh actuation
16 clicks in total
optionally you can open the monitor companion app and click through there to trigger a pixel refresh (5 mouse clicks in total)
bonus meme
counted the amount of clicks to reach pixel refresh actuation
16 clicks in total
optionally you can open the monitor companion app and click through there to trigger a pixel refresh (5 mouse clicks in total)
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:24:42 No.103931927
>>103931889
6 OSD clicks and 3 mouse clicks (+ some down scrolling) for my QD-OLED monitor & management app.
6 OSD clicks and 3 mouse clicks (+ some down scrolling) for my QD-OLED monitor & management app.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:27:43 No.103931965
>>103931800
Can't show me any games, can you?
How much of a moron do you have to be to complain that midrange cards are midrange? Just think about that one for a bit
>who are bitter about their card's memory configurations
As you know, I'm in /pcbg/ a lot, and I haven't seen the bitterness you claim on a wide scale. There are a few trolls who claim to have 3070s but are actually Radeontards shilling. I've really only seen a couple of probable 3070 owners complain about the VRAM. It's rare, just like a games that require settings optimization to run well on 8 GB cards. On /v/ it's FOMO or grass is greener syndrome. They've been told 3070 VRAM BAD and the fear takes over, or they blame low performance >>103931340 on VRAM when that's clearly not the case.
>Everyone
Ah yes, you're that specific AMDrone.
Can't show me any games, can you?
How much of a moron do you have to be to complain that midrange cards are midrange? Just think about that one for a bit
>who are bitter about their card's memory configurations
As you know, I'm in /pcbg/ a lot, and I haven't seen the bitterness you claim on a wide scale. There are a few trolls who claim to have 3070s but are actually Radeontards shilling. I've really only seen a couple of probable 3070 owners complain about the VRAM. It's rare, just like a games that require settings optimization to run well on 8 GB cards. On /v/ it's FOMO or grass is greener syndrome. They've been told 3070 VRAM BAD and the fear takes over, or they blame low performance >>103931340 on VRAM when that's clearly not the case.
>Everyone
Ah yes, you're that specific AMDrone.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:29:22 No.103931986
>>103930976
because it's true, it's cheaper to buy the 1080ti and skip 4 generations than buy a xx60 class card every generation. the rate of hardware progress has slowed since then, so if you bought a 4090 you probably won't have to upgrade for a decade or more
because it's true, it's cheaper to buy the 1080ti and skip 4 generations than buy a xx60 class card every generation. the rate of hardware progress has slowed since then, so if you bought a 4090 you probably won't have to upgrade for a decade or more
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:30:12 No.103931997
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:31:22 No.103932012
>>103931927
MSI or what?
this is Philips
I wonder how Asus or Sony is
I also hear Asus has insane bugs like pixel refresh triggering every time the panel sleeps and people get a insane refresh counter because it runs every time the monitor afks
might not be good either
ideal behaviour is running in background never during use ever
the Snoy 480hz is designed for esports in mind so it should be better, or the Anus 480hz one
but these are WOLEDs too
every manfacturer fucks up firemware, even tvs
but anyway
MSI or what?
this is Philips
I wonder how Asus or Sony is
I also hear Asus has insane bugs like pixel refresh triggering every time the panel sleeps and people get a insane refresh counter because it runs every time the monitor afks
might not be good either
ideal behaviour is running in background never during use ever
the Snoy 480hz is designed for esports in mind so it should be better, or the Anus 480hz one
but these are WOLEDs too
every manfacturer fucks up firemware, even tvs
but anyway
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:31:35 No.103932016
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:32:31 No.103932029
>>103931965
>He's still defending video cards that cannot extract the full potential of their embedded GPUs. A fact discussed all over the gaming community.
>He's still defending video cards that cannot extract the full potential of their embedded GPUs. A fact discussed all over the gaming community.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:32:41 No.103932030
are IPS screens the best for vidya?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:33:36 No.103932047
In my country (Romania) the price between the r5 9600x and i5 14600k is almost exactly the same. Same thing with the compatible and equivalent motherboards.
Which one do you suggest buying? I have looked on countless benchmarks and videos and I see that the 9600x is consistently worse performance wise, even though it is more efficient in terms of power consumption (idrc about that)
Which one do you suggest buying? I have looked on countless benchmarks and videos and I see that the 9600x is consistently worse performance wise, even though it is more efficient in terms of power consumption (idrc about that)
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:34:14 No.103932055
>>103932016
NVIDIA's own 5090 spec sheet as listen on their website (pic rel)
NVIDIA's own 5090 spec sheet as listen on their website (pic rel)
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:35:45 No.103932075
>>103931875
That seems nice. If it will be around 500-550 bucks, that would be a market success.
What 3rd party amd card are good nowadays? Sapphire? Xfx? Gigabyte?
That seems nice. If it will be around 500-550 bucks, that would be a market success.
What 3rd party amd card are good nowadays? Sapphire? Xfx? Gigabyte?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:35:55 No.103932077
>>103932030
depends what you mean
depends what you mean
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:36:52 No.103932083
why do so many people sell GPUs without the box
They threw the box away? I always keeps the gpu boxes
They threw the box away? I always keeps the gpu boxes
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:36:54 No.103932084
Seems like the only real winners this gen are 5090 users.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:37:00 No.103932085
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:37:51 No.103932095
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:39:21 No.103932108
>>103932084
Gtx5070ti and rx9070 might be good too. Everything else seems like a scam
Gtx5070ti and rx9070 might be good too. Everything else seems like a scam
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:41:07 No.103932133
>>103932085
>are IPS screens the best that aren't OLED
depends what you mean by best
worse contrast than va
worse pixel response than tn
all around the least shit and price performance? most likely
depends on the monitor
best cookie cutter monitor? most likely
>are IPS screens the best that aren't OLED
depends what you mean by best
worse contrast than va
worse pixel response than tn
all around the least shit and price performance? most likely
depends on the monitor
best cookie cutter monitor? most likely
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:41:09 No.103932135
>>103932083
people also throw away their tv boxes even though they should keep it in case they need to rma.
people also throw away their tv boxes even though they should keep it in case they need to rma.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:41:26 No.103932137
>>103932084
there was no TSMC node upgrade this generation so the only way to get more performance is to make the chips bigger, redo the architecture (they did) or add more bandwidth with GDDR7. 5080 and below will have to rely on architectural improvements and added bandwidth from GDDR7 so don't expect much. 5080 looks pretty terrible if you already have a decent card, but if you're still using something from the pascal era then the 5080 would still be a huge upgrade and at least the MSRP is the same as the 4080 + you get DLSS4 MFG (who knows, it might actually be good now when combined with new DLSS improvements).
5080 still has 30% more bandwidth vs 4080, so any game where bandwidth was a bottleneck could see big improvements (hence farcry 6 showed +30% gains) but if bandwidth wasn't the issue then gains will probably be only 10% or less.
there was no TSMC node upgrade this generation so the only way to get more performance is to make the chips bigger, redo the architecture (they did) or add more bandwidth with GDDR7. 5080 and below will have to rely on architectural improvements and added bandwidth from GDDR7 so don't expect much. 5080 looks pretty terrible if you already have a decent card, but if you're still using something from the pascal era then the 5080 would still be a huge upgrade and at least the MSRP is the same as the 4080 + you get DLSS4 MFG (who knows, it might actually be good now when combined with new DLSS improvements).
5080 still has 30% more bandwidth vs 4080, so any game where bandwidth was a bottleneck could see big improvements (hence farcry 6 showed +30% gains) but if bandwidth wasn't the issue then gains will probably be only 10% or less.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:42:09 No.103932147
>>103932095
boomer game that richfag boomers unironically buy a 4090 to play even though it plays fine on a potato
Then they go harass the developers for not being accurate enough to the real life warships and post classified documents to prove their point
boomer game that richfag boomers unironically buy a 4090 to play even though it plays fine on a potato
Then they go harass the developers for not being accurate enough to the real life warships and post classified documents to prove their point
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:42:55 No.103932158
>>103930909
Is your gf just you in vrchat pretending to be a girl with a nime avatar?
In school we had this loser rich kid, he was always bragging about his cute gf, who obviously lived very far away. We wanted proof and he showed us pics of her in vrchat. We made fun of him for a week so he brought pics of teenage girls he found on reddit, claiming it was her. Fun times.
Is your gf just you in vrchat pretending to be a girl with a nime avatar?
In school we had this loser rich kid, he was always bragging about his cute gf, who obviously lived very far away. We wanted proof and he showed us pics of her in vrchat. We made fun of him for a week so he brought pics of teenage girls he found on reddit, claiming it was her. Fun times.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:43:39 No.103932167
>>103932147
>post classified documents to prove their point
That is a great community with contributions from gamers with access to authoritative documents.
>post classified documents to prove their point
That is a great community with contributions from gamers with access to authoritative documents.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:45:50 No.103932179
>>103932030
They can be a good option, especially if you need something cheap. Most IPS monitors are at least decent these days, doesn't require a lot of research. The best budget gaming monitor available is the AOC Q27G3XMN, which is relatively fast VA
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/budget-gaming
https://youtu.be/CIKjsCzDGyE?si=tawVyBRcI87GQXmk&t=355
>>103932029
>video cards that cannot extract the full potential of their embedded GPU
Moronic and false. You can't show me any games that won't run on the 3070, thanks for proving my point. I can however show you a huge number of examples in which 8 GB Nvidia cards have better performance and image quality than 16 GB Radeontrash cards, and in fact almost every modern game falls into this category
They can be a good option, especially if you need something cheap. Most IPS monitors are at least decent these days, doesn't require a lot of research. The best budget gaming monitor available is the AOC Q27G3XMN, which is relatively fast VA
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/revi
https://youtu.be/CIKjsCzDGyE?si=taw
>>103932029
>video cards that cannot extract the full potential of their embedded GPU
Moronic and false. You can't show me any games that won't run on the 3070, thanks for proving my point. I can however show you a huge number of examples in which 8 GB Nvidia cards have better performance and image quality than 16 GB Radeontrash cards, and in fact almost every modern game falls into this category
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:47:14 No.103932185
>>103932085
i bought a 34GN850 like 3-4 years ago or something. it's an IPS panel from LG that runs at 144-160Hz with decent brightness. i've been happy with it. i imagine IPS panels have gotten even better and cheaper since then. sure IPS has generally shit contrast ratio vs OLED but it hasn't really reduced my experience (and i have seen LG OLED TV's at my parents house). i did a screen test on their TV recently and after three years of heavy use it has noticeable burn-in, the center of the TV is heavily faded in brightness and there's dead pixels all around the edges because of some manufacturing defect in LG TV's at that time. meanwhile my IPS monitor that runs at 80% brightness virtually 24/7 has no dead pixels, no burn-in of any kind, and is still bright enough to burn my eye balls out of my socket.
seriously fuck OLED. IPS is still king in terms of longevity and sustained full-screen brightness.
i bought a 34GN850 like 3-4 years ago or something. it's an IPS panel from LG that runs at 144-160Hz with decent brightness. i've been happy with it. i imagine IPS panels have gotten even better and cheaper since then. sure IPS has generally shit contrast ratio vs OLED but it hasn't really reduced my experience (and i have seen LG OLED TV's at my parents house). i did a screen test on their TV recently and after three years of heavy use it has noticeable burn-in, the center of the TV is heavily faded in brightness and there's dead pixels all around the edges because of some manufacturing defect in LG TV's at that time. meanwhile my IPS monitor that runs at 80% brightness virtually 24/7 has no dead pixels, no burn-in of any kind, and is still bright enough to burn my eye balls out of my socket.
seriously fuck OLED. IPS is still king in terms of longevity and sustained full-screen brightness.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:49:06 No.103932202
>>103932179
>'It's totally justifiable to be forced to lower graphical settings because of VRAM limitations, even if your GPU is still perfectly capable of running higher settings.'
This type of attitude is why NVIDIA keeps releasing poor-value products.
>'It's totally justifiable to be forced to lower graphical settings because of VRAM limitations, even if your GPU is still perfectly capable of running higher settings.'
This type of attitude is why NVIDIA keeps releasing poor-value products.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:49:15 No.103932204
>>103932075
Amd's being overly secretive. I wouldn't be surprised if the 9070xt cost 700 or 550.
Xfx was top tier for the past 2 generations followed by sapphire
Amd's being overly secretive. I wouldn't be surprised if the 9070xt cost 700 or 550.
Xfx was top tier for the past 2 generations followed by sapphire
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:51:11 No.103932230
>>103932179
>>103932133
>>103932185
what would be the use case for choosing a VA or TN panel over IPS? What should you look at in a monitor besides the screen type and resolution + refresh rate?
>>103932133
>>103932185
what would be the use case for choosing a VA or TN panel over IPS? What should you look at in a monitor besides the screen type and resolution + refresh rate?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:51:12 No.103932231
>>103932179
>marvel tranny slop for retarded kids and manchildren discriminated against Amd gpus.
Is anyone surprised? Anything popular with the low iq normie mass runs way better on green. Been like that for decades.
Marvel rivals is pretty boring and repetitive button mash game. I ate the hype and played for an hour. It felt like an afternoon. 6/10. Extremly mid.
>marvel tranny slop for retarded kids and manchildren discriminated against Amd gpus.
Is anyone surprised? Anything popular with the low iq normie mass runs way better on green. Been like that for decades.
Marvel rivals is pretty boring and repetitive button mash game. I ate the hype and played for an hour. It felt like an afternoon. 6/10. Extremly mid.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:52:05 No.103932243
I bought a 7900XTX and I like it a lot
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:52:23 No.103932249
>>103932230
>>what would be the use case for choosing a VA or TN panel over IPS?
playing FPS games competitively. That's it.
>>what would be the use case for choosing a VA or TN panel over IPS?
playing FPS games competitively. That's it.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:52:30 No.103932250
>>103932075
Sapphire=Powercolor > XFX=Asrock > Asus > the rest
Sapphire=Powercolor > XFX=Asrock > Asus > the rest
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:52:31 No.103932251
>>103932179
Perfectly fine 3080 GPU being hamstrung by VRAM limitations.
Perfectly fine 3080 GPU being hamstrung by VRAM limitations.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:55:16 No.103932288
>>103932179
>3070 and 3070 Ti have a stronger GPU than the 4060 Ti but are still bound by the same 8GB VRAM texture pool restriction.
>'Just lower settings! It's not wasting the instaleld GPU's potential!'
Mind. Rot.
>3070 and 3070 Ti have a stronger GPU than the 4060 Ti but are still bound by the same 8GB VRAM texture pool restriction.
>'Just lower settings! It's not wasting the instaleld GPU's potential!'
Mind. Rot.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:55:20 No.103932289
>>103931607
5060 + ti not revealed yet
5060 + ti not revealed yet
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:55:26 No.103932291
>>103932230
You'd almost never buy TN these days. VA is often much slower than IPS, so you have to be careful when choosing VA. VA however does have substantially higher contrast than IPS, so if you can find a decent VA (especially like the AOC I mentioned), it's the better option.
>>103932108
>gtx and scam
You're not good with words
>>103932137
>any game where bandwidth was a bottleneck could see big improvements (hence farcry 6 showed +30% gains) but if bandwidth wasn't the issue then gains will probably be only 10% or less
I would doubt this. I think 5090 perf could be fairly variable, as a lot of games can't even take advantage of the 4090's cores / TFLOPs
You'd almost never buy TN these days. VA is often much slower than IPS, so you have to be careful when choosing VA. VA however does have substantially higher contrast than IPS, so if you can find a decent VA (especially like the AOC I mentioned), it's the better option.
>>103932108
>gtx and scam
You're not good with words
>>103932137
>any game where bandwidth was a bottleneck could see big improvements (hence farcry 6 showed +30% gains) but if bandwidth wasn't the issue then gains will probably be only 10% or less
I would doubt this. I think 5090 perf could be fairly variable, as a lot of games can't even take advantage of the 4090's cores / TFLOPs
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:56:33 No.103932304
>>103932083
actual dumbasses. I always keep my GPU original box and materials, same with my PSU and motherboard. They're the most likely parts to need RMA. Plus the mobo box always comes with an anti static wrapping for shipping.
actual dumbasses. I always keep my GPU original box and materials, same with my PSU and motherboard. They're the most likely parts to need RMA. Plus the mobo box always comes with an anti static wrapping for shipping.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:57:04 No.103932305
>>103932202
>poor-value
You really don't understand the word. The post you replied to shows why Radeon cards have extremely low value compared to Geforce (DLSS). If we compare Geforce to Geforce, 8 GB cards are still the highest value
>poor-value
You really don't understand the word. The post you replied to shows why Radeon cards have extremely low value compared to Geforce (DLSS). If we compare Geforce to Geforce, 8 GB cards are still the highest value
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:57:14 No.103932306
>>103932249
>>103932291
what about fighting games?
is input lag a problem for any modem monitor these days?
>>103932291
what about fighting games?
is input lag a problem for any modem monitor these days?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:57:42 No.103932308
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:58:39 No.103932317
The build I would have made these days now that I’m more knowledgeable about PC building (in parenthesis is the build that I did a month ago):
>GPU: RX 7700 XT (got a 6600)
>CPU: Ryzen 7 5700x3D (same CPU)
>MOBO: Asrock b550m Steel Legend (got an MSI b550m Pro-Vdh wifi)
>Ram: Kingston Fury Beast 2x16GB (same ram)
>SSD: Western Digital SN770 (same SSD)
>PSU: Corsair RM750e (got a Core Reactor II 750W)
>Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Edge (got a Phantom Spirit)
>Case: Bequiet Silent Base 800 (got an O11 Air Mini)
Goddamnit, I could have built such a better PC that would last me a decade if I wasn’t so fucking hasty. Now I’m stuck with this shit build…
>GPU: RX 7700 XT (got a 6600)
>CPU: Ryzen 7 5700x3D (same CPU)
>MOBO: Asrock b550m Steel Legend (got an MSI b550m Pro-Vdh wifi)
>Ram: Kingston Fury Beast 2x16GB (same ram)
>SSD: Western Digital SN770 (same SSD)
>PSU: Corsair RM750e (got a Core Reactor II 750W)
>Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Edge (got a Phantom Spirit)
>Case: Bequiet Silent Base 800 (got an O11 Air Mini)
Goddamnit, I could have built such a better PC that would last me a decade if I wasn’t so fucking hasty. Now I’m stuck with this shit build…
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:59:14 No.103932328
>>103932055
They raised max temp to 90c? Wut
>>103932083
They can't appreciate that those boxes cost >$30 to print and raises your resale value by $100-200 easily
They raised max temp to 90c? Wut
>>103932083
They can't appreciate that those boxes cost >$30 to print and raises your resale value by $100-200 easily
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:59:26 No.103932333
5080 DOA boys. Looks like 5070 Ti or back to used 4000s on Ebay....
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)13:59:49 No.103932336
>>103932305
Radeon GPUs are never bottlenecked by their VRAM, GeForce GPUs are.
This means Radeon at least configures their cards to get the best out of the GPU.
Whether the Radeon card is competitive to GeForce's specifications is a different topic altogether.
Radeon GPUs are never bottlenecked by their VRAM, GeForce GPUs are.
This means Radeon at least configures their cards to get the best out of the GPU.
Whether the Radeon card is competitive to GeForce's specifications is a different topic altogether.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:00:16 No.103932343
>>103932047
more efficiency also means lower temps and less noise, I don't think I will ever buy another intel cpu unless they're stupid cheap
more efficiency also means lower temps and less noise, I don't think I will ever buy another intel cpu unless they're stupid cheap
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:00:31 No.103932352
>>103931986
boots theory is a real thing and I shake my head at the retards who go from gen to gen buying the lowest tier or second lowest tier
imagine not just buying a good gpu once and then being satisfied for 3 or 4 gens
boots theory is a real thing and I shake my head at the retards who go from gen to gen buying the lowest tier or second lowest tier
imagine not just buying a good gpu once and then being satisfied for 3 or 4 gens
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:00:33 No.103932353
>>103932317
you got absolutely fleeced on the 6600 lol, it's getting rekt by Intel rn should have gotten a 7700xt for sure.
you got absolutely fleeced on the 6600 lol, it's getting rekt by Intel rn should have gotten a 7700xt for sure.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:00:45 No.103932357
>>103932084
With how bizarrely cagey AMD is being about the whole thing the 9070 XT is either incredible or abysmal garbage with no in-between, but that's still a chance to be good.
Also the 5070 Ti definitely won't be amazing but it'll probably be okay.
With how bizarrely cagey AMD is being about the whole thing the 9070 XT is either incredible or abysmal garbage with no in-between, but that's still a chance to be good.
Also the 5070 Ti definitely won't be amazing but it'll probably be okay.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:01:39 No.103932372
>>103932353
Someone recommended it to me here at the time and being a newbie at PC building I just took their advice and bought it, that fucking piece of shit.
Someone recommended it to me here at the time and being a newbie at PC building I just took their advice and bought it, that fucking piece of shit.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:01:59 No.103932380
Ok I know it's not /pcbg specific question but my win7 starts to show its age after 10 years so I wanted to install win10 on top of win7 (for older games/programs). My questions are as follows:
-will I be able to run programs installed on my win7? (probably not)
-if there are 2 systems installed am I able to choose which one to boot? (I've tried that long ago with win7/xp and every time I started pc I had to pick which OS to boot)
-any tips on how to install win10 without much hassle are welcomed (I've seen people mentioning buying cheap second hand win10 keys, installing win10 with scripts or something about making windows installation think it's an iOS device to get ISO), I really don't want to install some bit coin miner.
-will I be able to run programs installed on my win7? (probably not)
-if there are 2 systems installed am I able to choose which one to boot? (I've tried that long ago with win7/xp and every time I started pc I had to pick which OS to boot)
-any tips on how to install win10 without much hassle are welcomed (I've seen people mentioning buying cheap second hand win10 keys, installing win10 with scripts or something about making windows installation think it's an iOS device to get ISO), I really don't want to install some bit coin miner.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:02:52 No.103932393
>>103932372
you gotta make them pay for recommending you a turd. It's only natural.
you gotta make them pay for recommending you a turd. It's only natural.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:03:53 No.103932399
>>103932230
TN panel is outdated for the vast majority of people, basically just used by e-sports fags. I have never owned a VA panel so I can't judge them but in testing they generally have a lot better contrast ratio than IPS panels so darker scenes in particular will look better such as when watching movies. But IPS just seems better in most other areas. I for one wasn't convinced by VA and went with IPS (I had a TN panel at that time). At a minimum you want a 140Hz 1440p panel with decent full-screen brightness (300+ cd/m2). Contrast ratio on IPS will always be 'meh' even on higher-end models, just avoid the absolute worst but don't worry about it too much. You'll want a panel that has VRR (variable refresh rate) because you won't always be able to get 140+ FPS in games. Going back to refresh rates, you can avoid 160Hz+ in my opinion because going any higher you simply run into severe diminishing returns. The biggest and most noticeable gain is going from 60Hz to 140Hz, this is 100% noticeable and worth it don't let anyone tell you otherwise. try to avoid bottom of the barrel response times.
Going ultrawide 1440p is nice, it adds a lot of immersion in games, but increases your pixel count by +30% which will put more strain on the GPU (but it's nowhere near as bad as 4K which will require a major GPU upgrade to go with it). they're also more expensive obviously, but still nice.
use this site to check specs: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en
TN panel is outdated for the vast majority of people, basically just used by e-sports fags. I have never owned a VA panel so I can't judge them but in testing they generally have a lot better contrast ratio than IPS panels so darker scenes in particular will look better such as when watching movies. But IPS just seems better in most other areas. I for one wasn't convinced by VA and went with IPS (I had a TN panel at that time). At a minimum you want a 140Hz 1440p panel with decent full-screen brightness (300+ cd/m2). Contrast ratio on IPS will always be 'meh' even on higher-end models, just avoid the absolute worst but don't worry about it too much. You'll want a panel that has VRR (variable refresh rate) because you won't always be able to get 140+ FPS in games. Going back to refresh rates, you can avoid 160Hz+ in my opinion because going any higher you simply run into severe diminishing returns. The biggest and most noticeable gain is going from 60Hz to 140Hz, this is 100% noticeable and worth it don't let anyone tell you otherwise. try to avoid bottom of the barrel response times.
Going ultrawide 1440p is nice, it adds a lot of immersion in games, but increases your pixel count by +30% which will put more strain on the GPU (but it's nowhere near as bad as 4K which will require a major GPU upgrade to go with it). they're also more expensive obviously, but still nice.
use this site to check specs: https://www.displayspecifications.c
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:03:54 No.103932400
>>103932357
9070XT will either be amazing and sell like crazy or a turd. No in between
9070XT will either be amazing and sell like crazy or a turd. No in between
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:04:22 No.103932409
>>103932357
It's more likely AMD felt the burn of the 7900XTX, 7900XT, 7700XT, and 7600XT value criticisms.
They are trying to get the pricing right from the beginning with RDNA4, but that is only possible after knowing the competing card's performance.
If AMD has a good card (personally doubt), it's going to be the familiar "NVIDIA - $50~80" strategy.
It's more likely AMD felt the burn of the 7900XTX, 7900XT, 7700XT, and 7600XT value criticisms.
They are trying to get the pricing right from the beginning with RDNA4, but that is only possible after knowing the competing card's performance.
If AMD has a good card (personally doubt), it's going to be the familiar "NVIDIA - $50~80" strategy.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:04:47 No.103932415
>>103932055
good to know, but I think I'd feel a lot more comfortable with 1200W when the gpu alone is half that
good to know, but I think I'd feel a lot more comfortable with 1200W when the gpu alone is half that
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:05:05 No.103932417
>>103932306
When I say slower, I don't mean input lag. I mean pixel response time (how fast it can change color). If you're primarily playing fighting games, IPS is a good option. HDR resulting from the use of a miniLED backlight will add input lag. If you want extremely low input lag HDR, you have to go OLED. I would say that if you're primarily multiplayer gaming, IPS like the Dell G2724D (or something higher refresh) is the way to go. Mix of multiplayer (if you're not ultra ultra serious) and singleplayer would be the AOC Q27G3XMN for most people
>>103932251
>>103932288
>i have to optimize settings on old cards
>in an engine known for having silly vram cache settings
>waaahhhhhhhhh
You're unable to formulate a good argument
Even the 2060 >>103931072 can run Indiana Jones, and the 4060 can run it well.
When I say slower, I don't mean input lag. I mean pixel response time (how fast it can change color). If you're primarily playing fighting games, IPS is a good option. HDR resulting from the use of a miniLED backlight will add input lag. If you want extremely low input lag HDR, you have to go OLED. I would say that if you're primarily multiplayer gaming, IPS like the Dell G2724D (or something higher refresh) is the way to go. Mix of multiplayer (if you're not ultra ultra serious) and singleplayer would be the AOC Q27G3XMN for most people
>>103932251
>>103932288
>i have to optimize settings on old cards
>in an engine known for having silly vram cache settings
>waaahhhhhhhhh
You're unable to formulate a good argument
Even the 2060 >>103931072 can run Indiana Jones, and the 4060 can run it well.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:05:31 No.103932422
>>103932251
>>103932288
This was their plan all along. 3080 anywhere near MSRP was a relatively good value, so they gimped VRAM to make sure it wouldn't last long.
4060 8GB is a 2-year subscription to low-mid range gaming, 4060ti 16gb is a 4 year subscription to keep the same performance.
The bad news for vramlets is that other applications like OS+browser usually uses 1gb+ now and settings don't affect vram usage much. There's a minimum vram requirement and it's not very different from the requirement for ultra.
>>103932336
exactly.
>>103932288
This was their plan all along. 3080 anywhere near MSRP was a relatively good value, so they gimped VRAM to make sure it wouldn't last long.
4060 8GB is a 2-year subscription to low-mid range gaming, 4060ti 16gb is a 4 year subscription to keep the same performance.
The bad news for vramlets is that other applications like OS+browser usually uses 1gb+ now and settings don't affect vram usage much. There's a minimum vram requirement and it's not very different from the requirement for ultra.
>>103932336
exactly.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:06:09 No.103932434
>>103932417
How many fps can the 2060 achieve in Indiana Jones?
How many fps can the 2060 achieve in Indiana Jones?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:07:09 No.103932444
>>103932372
the 7700xt is also a turd at least you didn't waste too much money
the 7700xt is also a turd at least you didn't waste too much money
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:07:19 No.103932447
what gpus do girls use?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:07:52 No.103932451
Question: if a game runs well on a weak Nvidia GPU does that mean it will run well on a slightly better AMD GPU? Or can the game run well on the Nvidia GPU and run like crap on the better AMD GPU? Is that a possibility?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:08:02 No.103932452
>>103932417
>>i have to optimize settings on old cards
When the GPU isn't the performance-limiting factor of a video card, other bottlenecks that's called planned obsolescence.
>old cards
Not even 5 years old, it's normal to own a card for over two new cycles.
I'd accept NVIDIA's strategy if the most expensive component of a video card is the one that's bottlenecking the product.
>>i have to optimize settings on old cards
When the GPU isn't the performance-limiting factor of a video card, other bottlenecks that's called planned obsolescence.
>old cards
Not even 5 years old, it's normal to own a card for over two new cycles.
I'd accept NVIDIA's strategy if the most expensive component of a video card is the one that's bottlenecking the product.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:08:10 No.103932455
>>103932230
like they say TN barely exist these days except some niche models
VA has taken over the ultra poorfag territory of old TNs and are genuinely just shit
some VA copes like the miniled ones exist because you want mah hdr experience
IPS is the least shit of all in viewing angle wise, colors, whatever, but some hate and prefer other panels, but up to you
>What should you look at in a monitor besides the screen type and resolution + refresh rate?
as high color gamut as possible because more color = brighter percieved color = looks better than 100% srgb monitors, unless you are a 100% color clamped srgb cuck, or you work with colors and need this
but if it's just for entertainment and gaymen does not really matter
and good osd features might be good
hdmi2.1 if you are gonna run consoles and need the vrr features and 4k120 down/upscaling, barely matters
running high enough ports and not going above the bandwidth limits and not run DSC if you wanna avoid nvidia dsc alt tab black screen lag/bug/wait times of several seconds if you run games in full screen
monitor stand adjustability, vesa mounting
built in speakers if you care, monitor coating (it will all be matte slop anyway here)
monitor sleep settings, how it behaves in idle, if it still sends a signal or if disconnects if sleeping if running a multi monitor setup so your entire windows gets garbled and messed up if you care
lots of things maybe
depends on your autism level
or just buy 1440p180hz and call it a day idk
>>103932306
some real high hz monitors have more problems with input lag not running native like 540hz running 60hz
but not "Low" refresh monitors like 144hz barely have any changes
>>103932333
>5080 DOA boys
you knew this 2 years ago
>>103932447
igpus
like they say TN barely exist these days except some niche models
VA has taken over the ultra poorfag territory of old TNs and are genuinely just shit
some VA copes like the miniled ones exist because you want mah hdr experience
IPS is the least shit of all in viewing angle wise, colors, whatever, but some hate and prefer other panels, but up to you
>What should you look at in a monitor besides the screen type and resolution + refresh rate?
as high color gamut as possible because more color = brighter percieved color = looks better than 100% srgb monitors, unless you are a 100% color clamped srgb cuck, or you work with colors and need this
but if it's just for entertainment and gaymen does not really matter
and good osd features might be good
hdmi2.1 if you are gonna run consoles and need the vrr features and 4k120 down/upscaling, barely matters
running high enough ports and not going above the bandwidth limits and not run DSC if you wanna avoid nvidia dsc alt tab black screen lag/bug/wait times of several seconds if you run games in full screen
monitor stand adjustability, vesa mounting
built in speakers if you care, monitor coating (it will all be matte slop anyway here)
monitor sleep settings, how it behaves in idle, if it still sends a signal or if disconnects if sleeping if running a multi monitor setup so your entire windows gets garbled and messed up if you care
lots of things maybe
depends on your autism level
or just buy 1440p180hz and call it a day idk
>>103932306
some real high hz monitors have more problems with input lag not running native like 540hz running 60hz
but not "Low" refresh monitors like 144hz barely have any changes
>>103932333
>5080 DOA boys
you knew this 2 years ago
>>103932447
igpus
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:08:19 No.103932458
>>103932380
haven't installed windows in ages but pretty sure you can just get the official .iso directly from microsofts website. even without having a key, you just get the message on the bottom right saying you need to register to unlock updates and shit. then just buy a key from one of those key shilling sites and you should be good to go. linusgoytips did a video on it recently and they claimed all the keys they bought from the bigger key resellers worked fine but mentioned that the keys were probably acquired through illicit means (i.e official keys stolen by russians and then resold at 1/5th the price - based).
haven't installed windows in ages but pretty sure you can just get the official .iso directly from microsofts website. even without having a key, you just get the message on the bottom right saying you need to register to unlock updates and shit. then just buy a key from one of those key shilling sites and you should be good to go. linusgoytips did a video on it recently and they claimed all the keys they bought from the bigger key resellers worked fine but mentioned that the keys were probably acquired through illicit means (i.e official keys stolen by russians and then resold at 1/5th the price - based).
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:08:19 No.103932459
>>103932251
>>103932288
Additionally, Indiana Jones is on an engine know for silly and useless VRAM cache settings
>>103932231
>discriminated
Radeon's RX 6000 and RX 7000 cards were trash, five years behind Nvidia's. Well known. There's no discrimination here
>>103932288
Additionally, Indiana Jones is on an engine know for silly and useless VRAM cache settings
>>103932231
>discriminated
Radeon's RX 6000 and RX 7000 cards were trash, five years behind Nvidia's. Well known. There's no discrimination here
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:08:46 No.103932468
>>103932451
it's basically impossible. 99.999999% of games will run well on either platform as long as it's modern
it's basically impossible. 99.999999% of games will run well on either platform as long as it's modern
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:08:48 No.103932470
Around Halloween I ordered pic related and Amazon accidentally sent me an entire case of ten SSDs instead of just one. Amazon hasn't asked for them back and according to law fags, they're legally mine since the other nine were unsolicited.
I used two of them but now want to sell the other eight. They're all sealed new in the box. What would be a good price to sell them for, considering that people are going to be a bit wary buying from some random guy instead of from a retailer? What's the best way to sell them without getting scammed? Craigslist looks like a cesspool and I have no rep on ebay.
I used two of them but now want to sell the other eight. They're all sealed new in the box. What would be a good price to sell them for, considering that people are going to be a bit wary buying from some random guy instead of from a retailer? What's the best way to sell them without getting scammed? Craigslist looks like a cesspool and I have no rep on ebay.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:08:53 No.103932472
>>103932444
7700 XT can run every single game in existence (and probably every game to be released in this generation) at 60fps in 1080p. How exactly is it a “turd”?
7700 XT can run every single game in existence (and probably every game to be released in this generation) at 60fps in 1080p. How exactly is it a “turd”?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:10:06 No.103932484
>>103932470
why is a 2TB so expensive? assuming it's canadian I'd say 125
why is a 2TB so expensive? assuming it's canadian I'd say 125
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:10:24 No.103932488
>>103932472
it does that at double the price, you just get the 7800 xt at that point
it does that at double the price, you just get the 7800 xt at that point
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:11:09 No.103932502
>>103932459
>Additionally, Indiana Jones is on an engine know for silly and useless VRAM cache settings
This doesn't change the reality that the 3070/Ti & 3080's GPUs, the cards' most valuable component, isn't the reason why these cards have to run on lower settings.
>'Bad game! Bad engine! Bad engine!'
Why is NVIDIA charging a premium for cards that can't unlock the GPU's full potential in these cases?
>Additionally, Indiana Jones is on an engine know for silly and useless VRAM cache settings
This doesn't change the reality that the 3070/Ti & 3080's GPUs, the cards' most valuable component, isn't the reason why these cards have to run on lower settings.
>'Bad game! Bad engine! Bad engine!'
Why is NVIDIA charging a premium for cards that can't unlock the GPU's full potential in these cases?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:11:56 No.103932513
>>103932451
theres a thing called api bottlenecks but its too high iq for you to understand
theres a thing called api bottlenecks but its too high iq for you to understand
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:12:08 No.103932515
>>103932458
thanks for reply, I've heard that I can install win10 with script to bypass registration if I can get .ISO
thanks for reply, I've heard that I can install win10 with script to bypass registration if I can get .ISO
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:12:57 No.103932524
>>103932447
every egirl I've ever watched uses nvidia
every egirl I've ever watched uses nvidia
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:13:18 No.103932529
>>103932470
idk but 170 is insane for a sata ssd in 2025. A 2 tb 990 pro is the same price....
idk but 170 is insane for a sata ssd in 2025. A 2 tb 990 pro is the same price....
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:13:59 No.103932536
Nvidia is well aware that at this point their major competition is not other companies, but their own old GPUs. Right now it's 1000 series and 3000 series that's the major competition nvidia is responding to with 4000 and 5000 series.
That's why they're going to work to increase vram requirements since this is their primary gimping point, then continue with RTX making games slower with no visual advantage, and limiting usable DLSS to only new generations even though it would run fine on older ones.
>>103932459
>is on an engine know for silly and useless VRAM cache settings
That's every game these days. It's the shit you have to deal with.
>>103932502
i think everyone understands this, they're just lying to themselves.
That's why they're going to work to increase vram requirements since this is their primary gimping point, then continue with RTX making games slower with no visual advantage, and limiting usable DLSS to only new generations even though it would run fine on older ones.
>>103932459
>is on an engine know for silly and useless VRAM cache settings
That's every game these days. It's the shit you have to deal with.
>>103932502
i think everyone understands this, they're just lying to themselves.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:14:09 No.103932537
> running a game at 4k/144hz while doing a bunch of other shit like watching videos/livestreams + having tons of browser tabs open.
where can i find benchmarks for this use case?
where can i find benchmarks for this use case?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:14:19 No.103932540
>>103932336
>Radeon GPUs are never bottlenecked by their VRAM
Literal moron
>>103932317
That Radeon card would have never lasted a decade
>>103932434
Everything besides texture cache on highest, about 45 FPS at 1080p. I linked to a benchmark
>Radeon GPUs are never bottlenecked by their VRAM
Literal moron
>>103932317
That Radeon card would have never lasted a decade
>>103932434
Everything besides texture cache on highest, about 45 FPS at 1080p. I linked to a benchmark
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:14:20 No.103932541
I think we can all agree the only true "turd" of a card in terms of price to perf is the 4060.... after getting absolutely bodied by Intel. Lol.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:14:22 No.103932543
assuming I have the money, will it be worth upgrading from a 7900XT to a 5080 for better RT perf and DLSS?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:14:34 No.103932545
>>103932513
Then explain to me like I’m 5. Einstein said that if you really master a subject then you can dumb it down for other people, go on and do that if you can, if you don’t reply to this post and reply with something other than the explanation you’ll be just exposing yourself as a charlatan.
Then explain to me like I’m 5. Einstein said that if you really master a subject then you can dumb it down for other people, go on and do that if you can, if you don’t reply to this post and reply with something other than the explanation you’ll be just exposing yourself as a charlatan.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:15:29 No.103932559
>>103932537
>running a game at 4k/144hz while doing a bunch of other shit like watching videos/livestreams + having tons of browser tabs open.
>where can i find benchmarks for this use case?
the only way you'll get close to this is if Nvidia works out their DLSS 4 to be magic and you're paying specific games that use it and are optimized, otherwise impossible.
Cpu wise a 9950x or 7950x3d would fit this use case well, or when the 9950x3d comes out.
>running a game at 4k/144hz while doing a bunch of other shit like watching videos/livestreams + having tons of browser tabs open.
>where can i find benchmarks for this use case?
the only way you'll get close to this is if Nvidia works out their DLSS 4 to be magic and you're paying specific games that use it and are optimized, otherwise impossible.
Cpu wise a 9950x or 7950x3d would fit this use case well, or when the 9950x3d comes out.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:15:35 No.103932561
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:15:50 No.103932564
>>103932537
Nowhere, but add 1-2GB to the vram requirement and 16gb to the ram requirement, CPU and GPU usage is negligible. btw this is what everyone does but for some reason they're benchmarking with only the game open.
Nowhere, but add 1-2GB to the vram requirement and 16gb to the ram requirement, CPU and GPU usage is negligible. btw this is what everyone does but for some reason they're benchmarking with only the game open.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:16:19 No.103932570
>>103932459
>Radeon's RX 6000 and RX 7000 cards were trash, five years behind Nvidia's. Well known. There's no discrimination here
If it's optimized for Nvidia it will run better on Nvidia. Sure Amd dropped the ball but you can't deny it.
>Radeon's RX 6000 and RX 7000 cards were trash, five years behind Nvidia's. Well known. There's no discrimination here
If it's optimized for Nvidia it will run better on Nvidia. Sure Amd dropped the ball but you can't deny it.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:17:38 No.103932582
>>103932417
>i have to optimize settings on old cards
Meaning you have to *lower* settings because Nvidia crippled their cards by limiting VRAM which made them age terribly. The 3070ti looks like complete trash next to the 6800, and it could have all been avoided if it had more VRAM.
>i have to optimize settings on old cards
Meaning you have to *lower* settings because Nvidia crippled their cards by limiting VRAM which made them age terribly. The 3070ti looks like complete trash next to the 6800, and it could have all been avoided if it had more VRAM.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:17:56 No.103932584
> RX 7800 XT, RTX 4070 Ti Super
Can someone spoonfeed me the debate between these cards? I've never seen 20GB VRAM utilized and the allure of AI I'll probably never use is tempting me towards nvidia.
Can someone spoonfeed me the debate between these cards? I've never seen 20GB VRAM utilized and the allure of AI I'll probably never use is tempting me towards nvidia.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:18:43 No.103932588
>>103932584
the 4070 ti super and 4070 ti is the best value card right now, 5070 ti will be when it comes out
the 4070 ti super and 4070 ti is the best value card right now, 5070 ti will be when it comes out
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:19:20 No.103932597
Why am I hesitating so much to build a desktop? I feel like I'll regret it. Even a simple $800 1080p one
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:19:41 No.103932601
>>103932545
you cant get a solid 60fps in fortnite at 720p,1080p,1440p,4k, whatever resolution on your nvidia rtx 4090 not because of "unreal engine sucks". its because nvidias dx12 wddm dll api driver literally stalls when processing hlsl code. the game will always stutter as long as you update your drivers or the game updates because nvidia wont switch to spirv until shader model 7.0
RADV AMD doesn't have this issue as their vulkan ACO by design doesn't stall.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/blob/main/src/amd/compiler/README.md
you cant get a solid 60fps in fortnite at 720p,1080p,1440p,4k, whatever resolution on your nvidia rtx 4090 not because of "unreal engine sucks". its because nvidias dx12 wddm dll api driver literally stalls when processing hlsl code. the game will always stutter as long as you update your drivers or the game updates because nvidia wont switch to spirv until shader model 7.0
RADV AMD doesn't have this issue as their vulkan ACO by design doesn't stall.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:20:22 No.103932609
>>103932597
Because you experienced a period of homelessness
Because you experienced a period of homelessness
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:20:46 No.103932612
>>103932564
>btw this is what everyone does but for some reason they're benchmarking with only the game open.
But why? Everyone games this way unless they have a big ass TV
>btw this is what everyone does but for some reason they're benchmarking with only the game open.
But why? Everyone games this way unless they have a big ass TV
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:20:58 No.103932617
>>103932451
>runs well on a weak Nvidia GPU does that mean it will run well on a slightly better AMD GPU?
Not that simple, as current games are designed with DLSS/FSR in mind. Geforce is massively better in most current games for this reason. Basically current FSR is garbage, so you have to pay the native tax on Radeon if you care at all about image quality. See the image in >>103932179. Also there are other issues (e.g., drivers as the other anon mentioned)
>>103932452
So AMD waiting on Sony to finance ML FSR (i.e., the GPU not being the limiting factor) is planned obsolescence on all RX 6000 and RX 7000 cards, got it
>>103932502
>Why is NVIDIA charging a premium
>midrange is at a premium
The 6700 XT was priced at $20 less than the 3070 and it's trash even against the 3060 now
>runs well on a weak Nvidia GPU does that mean it will run well on a slightly better AMD GPU?
Not that simple, as current games are designed with DLSS/FSR in mind. Geforce is massively better in most current games for this reason. Basically current FSR is garbage, so you have to pay the native tax on Radeon if you care at all about image quality. See the image in >>103932179. Also there are other issues (e.g., drivers as the other anon mentioned)
>>103932452
So AMD waiting on Sony to finance ML FSR (i.e., the GPU not being the limiting factor) is planned obsolescence on all RX 6000 and RX 7000 cards, got it
>>103932502
>Why is NVIDIA charging a premium
>midrange is at a premium
The 6700 XT was priced at $20 less than the 3070 and it's trash even against the 3060 now
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:21:21 No.103932622
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:21:32 No.103932624
>>103932588
It hurts me to wait for the 5000 series because I just know Trump is going to go wild on tariffs I just don't know how long it'll be before it hits the real prices of cards.
It hurts me to wait for the 5000 series because I just know Trump is going to go wild on tariffs I just don't know how long it'll be before it hits the real prices of cards.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:22:21 No.103932630
>>103932601
Ah no wonder Wukong felt smoother on my Deck than Rog.
Ah no wonder Wukong felt smoother on my Deck than Rog.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:23:02 No.103932640
>>103932597
Because all the games worth your time can run on an apu. Vr or no vr is the only question someone has to ask before wasting money.
Because all the games worth your time can run on an apu. Vr or no vr is the only question someone has to ask before wasting money.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:23:54 No.103932652
post your upgrade history and rate mine
i think my upgrade pathway was one of the best possible and i think you agree
matrox millenium, pentium 3
pentium d nvidia 7300le- to 8800gts
i7 2600k nvidia580
i9 9990k 980ti- 2080ti
and now
rysen 9 5900x and6900xt
i think my upgrade pathway was one of the best possible and i think you agree
matrox millenium, pentium 3
pentium d nvidia 7300le- to 8800gts
i7 2600k nvidia580
i9 9990k 980ti- 2080ti
and now
rysen 9 5900x and6900xt
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:25:03 No.103932657
>>103932545
If you're not underaged you remember the API wars of PC gaming years ago. Choosing the wrong API for your GPU meant far lower FPS, stutter, or outright crashing. It still kinda applies today where you can choose between Vulkan or DX11 for BG3 where DX11 is better on Nvidia but Vulkan is much better on AMD.
If you're not underaged you remember the API wars of PC gaming years ago. Choosing the wrong API for your GPU meant far lower FPS, stutter, or outright crashing. It still kinda applies today where you can choose between Vulkan or DX11 for BG3 where DX11 is better on Nvidia but Vulkan is much better on AMD.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:25:11 No.103932659
>>103932584
the 4070 Ti will be faster in any game that uses RT effects. any production software using CUDA will not work on the AMD card. a lot of AI slop generation requires CUDA support (NVIDIA only). so it all depends on what games you play and what programs you use.
the 4070 Ti will be faster in any game that uses RT effects. any production software using CUDA will not work on the AMD card. a lot of AI slop generation requires CUDA support (NVIDIA only). so it all depends on what games you play and what programs you use.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:25:12 No.103932660
>>103932622
i haven't had a real computer since like 2018. i don't want to get into it. now i use a chromebook as a stop-gap and man these things really suck. laptops seem to suck in general.
>>103932609
not true but i did experience a period where i had no money.
>>103932640
i guess, but porn games are unoptimized POS so you need a GPU for those, and AI needs CUDA too AFAIK
i haven't had a real computer since like 2018. i don't want to get into it. now i use a chromebook as a stop-gap and man these things really suck. laptops seem to suck in general.
>>103932609
not true but i did experience a period where i had no money.
>>103932640
i guess, but porn games are unoptimized POS so you need a GPU for those, and AI needs CUDA too AFAIK
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:25:45 No.103932667
>>103932612
Yep.
Benchmarking industry is extremely flawed. It's unrealistic. I mean, just look at the games they benchmarks, a lot of the time its "benchmarking games" that you or your friends never played rather than games that people actually play. The benchmarkers are out of touch in their own little bubble and they think that isolating things rather than trying a realistic environment is "more true".
It's sad, you need to learn a lot to figure out what real-life performance will be.
Yep.
Benchmarking industry is extremely flawed. It's unrealistic. I mean, just look at the games they benchmarks, a lot of the time its "benchmarking games" that you or your friends never played rather than games that people actually play. The benchmarkers are out of touch in their own little bubble and they think that isolating things rather than trying a realistic environment is "more true".
It's sad, you need to learn a lot to figure out what real-life performance will be.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:26:16 No.103932675
>>103932536
By useless I mean that the settings don't impact image quality. Setting VRAM cache size incorrectly is user error.
>>103932541
>two years later
>intel releases a card with similar performance
>and worse drivers
>for $50 less
Retard
>>103932561
I backlinked the benchmark, shithead. >>103931072
>>103932582
>The 3070ti looks like complete trash next to the 6800
On the contrary, the 3070 provides massively better image quality and performance in modern games because of DLSS. How many times are you going to repeat your drivel?
By useless I mean that the settings don't impact image quality. Setting VRAM cache size incorrectly is user error.
>>103932541
>two years later
>intel releases a card with similar performance
>and worse drivers
>for $50 less
Retard
>>103932561
I backlinked the benchmark, shithead. >>103931072
>>103932582
>The 3070ti looks like complete trash next to the 6800
On the contrary, the 3070 provides massively better image quality and performance in modern games because of DLSS. How many times are you going to repeat your drivel?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:27:13 No.103932684
>>103932675
Benchmarks don’t mean shit.
Benchmarks don’t mean shit.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:27:47 No.103932687
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:28:51 No.103932703
I ordered the b650 pg lightning for my 7600x for 170 euros. My country currently has the gigabyte b850s and the riptide/steel legend from asrock, is it worth getting the ds3h for 160 or going past 200 and get a riptide?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:29:08 No.103932706
>>103932675
>the 3070 provides massively better image quality and performance in modern games because of DLSS
*when it can run them, which it increasingly cannot due to it having a pathetic amount of VRAM for a $600 card, whereas the 6800 actually runs the games well
>How many times are you going to repeat your drivel?
Until you admit that 8gb on a $600 card was retarded. And that a 33% VRAM reduction on the 4060 was an insult to consumers. I mean, you won't admit it, but it's still the truth.
>the 3070 provides massively better image quality and performance in modern games because of DLSS
*when it can run them, which it increasingly cannot due to it having a pathetic amount of VRAM for a $600 card, whereas the 6800 actually runs the games well
>How many times are you going to repeat your drivel?
Until you admit that 8gb on a $600 card was retarded. And that a 33% VRAM reduction on the 4060 was an insult to consumers. I mean, you won't admit it, but it's still the truth.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:30:30 No.103932717
>>103932660
>not true but i did experience a period where i had no money.
Could be it but there's no reason to not get a decent desktop if you're not destitute and or might need to suddenly run away from your home.
>>103932675
>that the settings don't impact image quality.
This is quite common but they rarely impact vram usage, just GPU core usage.
>Setting VRAM cache size incorrectly is user error.
In 99% of games you cant do this. The game allocates what it wants. If it's more than the GPU has (and OS+browser usage often takes priority) it will allocate to RAM and it'll be very slow. Or crash.
>not true but i did experience a period where i had no money.
Could be it but there's no reason to not get a decent desktop if you're not destitute and or might need to suddenly run away from your home.
>>103932675
>that the settings don't impact image quality.
This is quite common but they rarely impact vram usage, just GPU core usage.
>Setting VRAM cache size incorrectly is user error.
In 99% of games you cant do this. The game allocates what it wants. If it's more than the GPU has (and OS+browser usage often takes priority) it will allocate to RAM and it'll be very slow. Or crash.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:30:32 No.103932718
>>103932703
i have no b650 (or cheap x670) options for stuff like pcie 5.0, only the b850s.
i have no b650 (or cheap x670) options for stuff like pcie 5.0, only the b850s.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:31:00 No.103932725
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:31:15 No.103932728
i really want to make a new build with 5090 how do i buy without my wife knowing? a hidden credit card ? and how do i repay it.
my wife is a doctor and makes 3x more than me im just a security guard but we have a "shared" economy
my wife is a doctor and makes 3x more than me im just a security guard but we have a "shared" economy
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:31:56 No.103932734
>>103932660
>get into it
there's nothing to get in to
you clearly have some need and desire for a computer
if you want to get upgrade from chromebook poverty do it
it doesn't come with some kind of strings
make it what you want it to be
I built an 8700k/2070 machine 7 years ago and have been enjoying it every since
I'm just now built a new 9800x3d machine and waiting for 50xx
because I want to, not because I have to or something
>get into it
there's nothing to get in to
you clearly have some need and desire for a computer
if you want to get upgrade from chromebook poverty do it
it doesn't come with some kind of strings
make it what you want it to be
I built an 8700k/2070 machine 7 years ago and have been enjoying it every since
I'm just now built a new 9800x3d machine and waiting for 50xx
because I want to, not because I have to or something
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:32:25 No.103932742
>>103932728
Find a prostitute (preferable chinese) and venmo her, then have her give you cash and go buy it.
Find a prostitute (preferable chinese) and venmo her, then have her give you cash and go buy it.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:32:28 No.103932744
>>103932659
>a lot of AI slop generation requires CUDA support
thats just flat out wrong
they require matrix units which intel and amd have
amd is faster than nvidia now in ai gen just because they have more vram and rocm has come along way on both windows & linux.
>a lot of AI slop generation requires CUDA support
thats just flat out wrong
they require matrix units which intel and amd have
amd is faster than nvidia now in ai gen just because they have more vram and rocm has come along way on both windows & linux.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:32:29 No.103932745
>>103932728
are you a chad? like are you tall and handsome?
>>103932717
>Could be it but there's no reason to not get a decent desktop if you're not destitute and or might need to suddenly run away from your home.
did you experience this problem yourself?
are you a chad? like are you tall and handsome?
>>103932717
>Could be it but there's no reason to not get a decent desktop if you're not destitute and or might need to suddenly run away from your home.
did you experience this problem yourself?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:32:59 No.103932750
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:33:29 No.103932754
>>103932744
i want to get a 9070xt moving from 3060ti, is rocm good enough really?
i want to get a 9070xt moving from 3060ti, is rocm good enough really?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:34:38 No.103932768
>>103932728
>my wife is a doctor and makes 3x more than me im just a security guard
explain you need it because you want to do some online learning and the gpu will be a lot of help with the AI skills you also want to develop. She's a doctor but she'll know nothing about this and most likely buy it but she'll be most suspicious of your sudden desire for more ambition.
>my wife is a doctor and makes 3x more than me im just a security guard
explain you need it because you want to do some online learning and the gpu will be a lot of help with the AI skills you also want to develop. She's a doctor but she'll know nothing about this and most likely buy it but she'll be most suspicious of your sudden desire for more ambition.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:34:45 No.103932769
>>103932728
Tell her your cars central gubradump is broken and can't ionise the schmergadrop. It's a ticking time bomb and you need 3k cash to have it fixed.
Unless she is ugly. Then tell her nothing and buy your gpu. She should be happy to have you.
Tell her your cars central gubradump is broken and can't ionise the schmergadrop. It's a ticking time bomb and you need 3k cash to have it fixed.
Unless she is ugly. Then tell her nothing and buy your gpu. She should be happy to have you.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:35:19 No.103932774
>>103932745
>did you experience this problem yourself?
Yes, when I was a teenager we didn't have internet at home, had to use 2g phone internet, mostly had a laptop to play old games with friends at LAN parties... Then I got thrown out by mom and couch surfed. In this kind of situation, a laptop is important.
If you have a stable home, it's not as much.
>did you experience this problem yourself?
Yes, when I was a teenager we didn't have internet at home, had to use 2g phone internet, mostly had a laptop to play old games with friends at LAN parties... Then I got thrown out by mom and couch surfed. In this kind of situation, a laptop is important.
If you have a stable home, it's not as much.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:35:38 No.103932781
>>103932754
asrock has had rocm & ai tools bundled with their amd & intel gpus for over a year now dude. its been great on linux for that long. for windows it only recently got support with the december driver.
asrock has had rocm & ai tools bundled with their amd & intel gpus for over a year now dude. its been great on linux for that long. for windows it only recently got support with the december driver.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:37:16 No.103932796
>>103932728
based beef stew enjoyer
based beef stew enjoyer
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:38:11 No.103932806
>>103932745
>like are you tall and handsome?
Why tall is always the first one? Being handsome is way more important than long legs.
Whenever I piss off 4chinners they always start out with 'yeah I'm tall, handsome, rich blah blah'.
Did I miss something? Being tall is more important than not being ugly or something? Or this is just the feminization of society?
>like are you tall and handsome?
Why tall is always the first one? Being handsome is way more important than long legs.
Whenever I piss off 4chinners they always start out with 'yeah I'm tall, handsome, rich blah blah'.
Did I miss something? Being tall is more important than not being ugly or something? Or this is just the feminization of society?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:38:15 No.103932807
>>103932774
it's not that, i just don't like it here lol. i have thoughts like
>dont get a desktop. what if you want to move out? now you have to carry this thing with you
i guess if i had a car, it wouldn't matter, but i don't and the used car prices are so messed up that im not sure i want to buy one yet
it's not that, i just don't like it here lol. i have thoughts like
>dont get a desktop. what if you want to move out? now you have to carry this thing with you
i guess if i had a car, it wouldn't matter, but i don't and the used car prices are so messed up that im not sure i want to buy one yet
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:38:22 No.103932808
>>103932537
HUB did a video like this once, granted it was a long time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9-OtzzFxs
HUB did a video like this once, granted it was a long time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:40:30 No.103932824
>>103932807
Yeah sensible but carrying your bed or idk, kitchen table will be much worse, so dont hold back on this
Yeah sensible but carrying your bed or idk, kitchen table will be much worse, so dont hold back on this
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:42:21 No.103932839
>>103932417
what's the actual difference between those two monitors you mentioned?
what's the actual difference between those two monitors you mentioned?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:44:11 No.103932856
>>103932584
Don't buy any card that's not current gen. Come back in a month after the release of the 5070 and the 9070 XT
>>103932601
Hello liar.
https://youtu.be/Kr7RGkFuPdQ?si=_7YzOxTXEWU4GpH3&t=117
>games will stutter fiercely for every user regardless of their hardware
>>103932706
>whereas the 6800 actually runs the games well
Just keep deluding yourself, shithead.
>>103932717
>In 99% of games you cant do this. The game allocates what it wants
Wrong. Almost all games have settings that change VRAM utilization. There are definitely some that have a single texture setting but it's rare
Don't buy any card that's not current gen. Come back in a month after the release of the 5070 and the 9070 XT
>>103932601
Hello liar.
https://youtu.be/Kr7RGkFuPdQ?si=_7Y
>games will stutter fiercely for every user regardless of their hardware
>>103932706
>whereas the 6800 actually runs the games well
Just keep deluding yourself, shithead.
>>103932717
>In 99% of games you cant do this. The game allocates what it wants
Wrong. Almost all games have settings that change VRAM utilization. There are definitely some that have a single texture setting but it's rare
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:44:18 No.103932858
>>103932744
>thats just flat out wrong
when i did AI voice generation it specifically said it won't work on non-NVIDIA cards. maybe it's not everywhere but lots of AI slop shit does require it.
>thats just flat out wrong
when i did AI voice generation it specifically said it won't work on non-NVIDIA cards. maybe it's not everywhere but lots of AI slop shit does require it.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:46:56 No.103932873
>>103932858
I did AI voice generation and sound generation online. no gpu required. a lot of people do their ai online these days with no gpu. all the ai threads on /g/ are like this except the single solo lone local ai general.
I did AI voice generation and sound generation online. no gpu required. a lot of people do their ai online these days with no gpu. all the ai threads on /g/ are like this except the single solo lone local ai general.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:47:28 No.103932878
>>103932808
but what about multiple 4K monitors? Why do it only 1 screen at 1080p?
but what about multiple 4K monitors? Why do it only 1 screen at 1080p?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:49:13 No.103932897
>>103932878
no clue, I find HUB half-asses a lot of shit
no clue, I find HUB half-asses a lot of shit
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:50:50 No.103932909
According to a recent article from El Chapuzas Informático, NVIDIA’s upcoming RTX 50 series GPUs will not only be released in limited quantities but will also include built-in restrictions on certain functionalities. These include reduced performance for AI workloads, cryptocurrency mining, and the use of multiple GPUs in the same setup.
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2025/01/nvidia-rtx-50-limitadas-tiendas-capadas-ia-criptomineria-multi-gpu/
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:54:07 No.103932944
>>103930976
The more you buy, the more you save!
The more you buy, the more you save!
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:54:50 No.103932953
>>103932529
870 EVO 2TB SATA SSDs are still worth manufacturing for Samsung because of its steady demand.
These drives are compatible with older workstations and personal PCs.
Even normies need more storage space, more than ever.
870 EVO 2TB SATA SSDs are still worth manufacturing for Samsung because of its steady demand.
These drives are compatible with older workstations and personal PCs.
Even normies need more storage space, more than ever.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:55:52 No.103932962
>>103932839
Read or watch reviews. The main difference is that AOC has entry HDR, while the Dell does not.
>>103932744
>amd is faster than nvidia now in ai gen
Lie
Read or watch reviews. The main difference is that AOC has entry HDR, while the Dell does not.
>>103932744
>amd is faster than nvidia now in ai gen
Lie
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:56:08 No.103932966
>>103932878
>>103932897
Because, after viewing the first two minutes, it's a CPU core amount test, responding to a claim, and not a multiscreen GPU test. I don't know if many of you have ears. Or anything between them.
>>103932897
Because, after viewing the first two minutes, it's a CPU core amount test, responding to a claim, and not a multiscreen GPU test. I don't know if many of you have ears. Or anything between them.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:58:18 No.103932989
>>103932878
im pretty sure that'd be a GPU problem, not CPU
im pretty sure that'd be a GPU problem, not CPU
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:58:28 No.103932992
>>103930460
> They believe youtubers that are handed drivers and test on top of the line equipment with a pdf of the exact settings to use and suggestions of games to test. You should only be buying intel if you expect shit to break and are okay with it.
It doesn't matter if you can't download the driver properly, lol. He will have to download drivers via VPN or something like that, because Intel does not allow downloading drivers.
> They believe youtubers that are handed drivers and test on top of the line equipment with a pdf of the exact settings to use and suggestions of games to test. You should only be buying intel if you expect shit to break and are okay with it.
It doesn't matter if you can't download the driver properly, lol. He will have to download drivers via VPN or something like that, because Intel does not allow downloading drivers.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)14:59:55 No.103933006
>>103932966
ok steve whatever you say, make a video with multiple screens
ok steve whatever you say, make a video with multiple screens
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:00:11 No.103933008
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:00:32 No.103933010
>>103932992
>intel does not allow downloading drivers
works on my machine, maybe try not being fucking retarded
>intel does not allow downloading drivers
works on my machine, maybe try not being fucking retarded
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:00:41 No.103933012
>>103932909
not my problem
not my problem
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:01:51 No.103933022
Why bother putting 4 pcie slots on a PSU if you just ship it with 2x pcie cables?
One if the pcie cables is always a daisy chain too.
Missing 1 pcie but they put like two SATA, molex or two CPU cables for some fucking reason.
Every single fucking brand.
Fuck off
One if the pcie cables is always a daisy chain too.
Missing 1 pcie but they put like two SATA, molex or two CPU cables for some fucking reason.
Every single fucking brand.
Fuck off
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:02:44 No.103933032
>>103932415
someone else in this thread was worried about that but provided you have a good PSU like the one they bought it won't be an issue, you will rarely ever come close to maxing it out unless you have an absurd amount of other crap/other power hungry parts in there
plug all your shit into PCpartpicker, look at its estimated wattage, and if you have at least 100w head room you're probably good
someone else in this thread was worried about that but provided you have a good PSU like the one they bought it won't be an issue, you will rarely ever come close to maxing it out unless you have an absurd amount of other crap/other power hungry parts in there
plug all your shit into PCpartpicker, look at its estimated wattage, and if you have at least 100w head room you're probably good
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:04:30 No.103933049
where are you selling your used 4090s
i dont trust ebay seller protections
i dont trust ebay seller protections
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:06:09 No.103933070
>>103933032
>barely 100w and pc partpicker doesn't account for all my usb devices
yeah I'm sure it will run I'd just feel better with 1200w
>barely 100w and pc partpicker doesn't account for all my usb devices
yeah I'm sure it will run I'd just feel better with 1200w
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:06:25 No.103933074
>>103933049
newegg gpu trade in / microcenter trade in
newegg gpu trade in / microcenter trade in
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:07:47 No.103933091
Is there any specific reason no one buys the 7900XTX?
Should I get a 5080 or a 7900XTX?
Should I get a 5080 or a 7900XTX?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:08:01 No.103933097
>>103933074
ehh.......
i mean this is an ok deal considering places like ebay take tax and then you have to pay or add shipping to the cost
ehh.......
i mean this is an ok deal considering places like ebay take tax and then you have to pay or add shipping to the cost
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:08:28 No.103933101
>>103933010
> works on my machine, maybe try not being fucking retarded
I think he's talking about the fact that Intel doesn't work in Russia/Belarus. The rest of the manufacturers don't have such locks, as I remember.
> works on my machine, maybe try not being fucking retarded
I think he's talking about the fact that Intel doesn't work in Russia/Belarus. The rest of the manufacturers don't have such locks, as I remember.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:08:50 No.103933107
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:09:05 No.103933111
The total wattage of a PSU only tells a part of the story.
For example, an 850W Super Flower has a far wider +90% efficiency operating range compared to a 1000W be Quiet unit.
The Pure Power 12M isn't even a bad PSU.
For example, an 850W Super Flower has a far wider +90% efficiency operating range compared to a 1000W be Quiet unit.
The Pure Power 12M isn't even a bad PSU.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:10:22 No.103933120
is he samefagging now? thats gay
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:14:14 No.103933160
>>103933091
It's sold out? Cant buy it at any microcenter or newegg. Amazon only has scam offers or the xfx mag air which is 2 units left so buy now or its gone forever.
>>103933107
>>103932687
>>103933097
its store credit so if you want cash then go ebay route
It's sold out? Cant buy it at any microcenter or newegg. Amazon only has scam offers or the xfx mag air which is 2 units left so buy now or its gone forever.
>>103933107
>>103932687
>>103933097
its store credit so if you want cash then go ebay route
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:15:18 No.103933169
>>103933107
>4090 vs 7900XTX
Its like nearly a third of the cost...
What does "it's Radeon" mean? I am a bit new
>4090 vs 7900XTX
Its like nearly a third of the cost...
What does "it's Radeon" mean? I am a bit new
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:17:06 No.103933183
>>103933091
Everyone that uses Linux uses the 7900XTX.
Everyone that uses Linux uses the 7900XTX.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:17:12 No.103933186
>>103933169
He's literally a Nvidia AI bot spammer
see >>103932617
>>103932675
>>103932617
>>103932417
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/radeon%20rtx/filename/screenshot/
He's literally a Nvidia AI bot spammer
see >>103932617
>>103932675
>>103932617
>>103932417
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/te
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:17:30 No.103933189
>>103931300
>ve used half of my 8g MX-6 tube for like 3 years.
I used all of mine in 5 years, and I got a lot of hardware to maintain. 4 laptops, 3 desktops, one Xbox 360. Financially speaking it might still be too much to justify equipping everything with a pad for now.
>ve used half of my 8g MX-6 tube for like 3 years.
I used all of mine in 5 years, and I got a lot of hardware to maintain. 4 laptops, 3 desktops, one Xbox 360. Financially speaking it might still be too much to justify equipping everything with a pad for now.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:18:10 No.103933195
9700X vs 9900X for workstation (no gaming planned)
The 9700Xs 65W are intriguing, seems like doubling the tdp to the 9900X may not worth it?
The 9900X is 30% faster in cpumark, but essentially the same in single core
The 9700Xs 65W are intriguing, seems like doubling the tdp to the 9900X may not worth it?
The 9900X is 30% faster in cpumark, but essentially the same in single core
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:18:14 No.103933196
>>103933160
I can still buy it in euroland for the approximate equivalent of 900$ with VAT on.
I can still buy it in euroland for the approximate equivalent of 900$ with VAT on.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:18:15 No.103933197
>>103933169
ur replying to a bot, why do u think ip counter was removed here?
ur replying to a bot, why do u think ip counter was removed here?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:19:16 No.103933205
>>103933196
which model?
which model?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:21:32 No.103933223
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:23:54 No.103933239
![Lossless Scaling： Frame Generation For Every Game - But How Good Is it？ [69k7ZXLK1to]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1737145434782916s.jpg)
>>103933169
It's CPU limited situation, even with a 9800X3D. Neither card is being used to its fullest (that's why the GPU utilization stat is low). It's an example of Radeon's driver problems. A much cheaper Geforce card would still provide higher a higher framerate than the 7900 XTX, and with a lesser CPU than a 9800X3D, even 60 FPS would be off the table for any Radeon card
Of course at that price point you'd expect good RT and reconstruction as well. Really any of Radeon's current products are garbage. It's possible that the RX 9070 XT will have raster perf similar to the 7900 XTX and substantially better RT than the 7900 XTX, along with much higher quality upsampling (FSR4). The 9070 XT could be a better 7900 XTX, we'll have to see.
Not worth buying a last gen card regardless.
>>103933195
Depends on whether your workloads are singlethreaded or multithreaded. Check Puget System's benchmarks for common workloads
It's CPU limited situation, even with a 9800X3D. Neither card is being used to its fullest (that's why the GPU utilization stat is low). It's an example of Radeon's driver problems. A much cheaper Geforce card would still provide higher a higher framerate than the 7900 XTX, and with a lesser CPU than a 9800X3D, even 60 FPS would be off the table for any Radeon card
Of course at that price point you'd expect good RT and reconstruction as well. Really any of Radeon's current products are garbage. It's possible that the RX 9070 XT will have raster perf similar to the 7900 XTX and substantially better RT than the 7900 XTX, along with much higher quality upsampling (FSR4). The 9070 XT could be a better 7900 XTX, we'll have to see.
Not worth buying a last gen card regardless.
>>103933195
Depends on whether your workloads are singlethreaded or multithreaded. Check Puget System's benchmarks for common workloads
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:29:37 No.103933277
>>103930427
I bought a 5700X3D to replace my 3400G yesterday. I forgot to update the BIOS first (never touched it since I built this PC in late 2020 or early 2021), but I tried again today after the update and it still didn't work. I confirmed the old CPU boots into Windows after the BIOS update. The CPU debug light on the motherboard is still on with the new CPU. The board is an MSI MPG X570 gaming plus. What can I do to get the CPU recognized? I put this PC together, but this is my first time upgrading CPUs, so nothing is too minor or obvious to mention.
I bought a 5700X3D to replace my 3400G yesterday. I forgot to update the BIOS first (never touched it since I built this PC in late 2020 or early 2021), but I tried again today after the update and it still didn't work. I confirmed the old CPU boots into Windows after the BIOS update. The CPU debug light on the motherboard is still on with the new CPU. The board is an MSI MPG X570 gaming plus. What can I do to get the CPU recognized? I put this PC together, but this is my first time upgrading CPUs, so nothing is too minor or obvious to mention.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:32:47 No.103933324
>>103930427
Pleb here. I disconnected an old useless ssd after seeing it had 41% health. After booting windows, I have this warning, and it won't let me turn it 'on'
Is it actually important, or should I dismiss it?
Pleb here. I disconnected an old useless ssd after seeing it had 41% health. After booting windows, I have this warning, and it won't let me turn it 'on'
Is it actually important, or should I dismiss it?
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:34:02 No.103933340
>>103933277
Maybe revert the BIOS setting to factory default if there are some changes made.
How long did you wait for the new CPU's initialization? Give it 5~10 minutes to boot.
Take the CPU to a repair shop to test it as a last resort.
Maybe revert the BIOS setting to factory default if there are some changes made.
How long did you wait for the new CPU's initialization? Give it 5~10 minutes to boot.
Take the CPU to a repair shop to test it as a last resort.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:37:38 No.103933381
>>103933277
Confirm BIOS revision
Make sure that BIOS revision actually has support for the 5700X3D
Some motherboards require sequential firmwares to be flashed, but I doubt that's the case with an X570
>>103933324
>>>/g/fwt
Confirm BIOS revision
Make sure that BIOS revision actually has support for the 5700X3D
Some motherboards require sequential firmwares to be flashed, but I doubt that's the case with an X570
>>103933324
>>>/g/fwt
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:48:57 No.103933504
>>103933340
I ate lunch while I waited, so I'm sure it's not for lack of time.
I ate lunch while I waited, so I'm sure it's not for lack of time.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:50:09 No.103933520
>>103933504
Since you've confirmed the board is working, should return that X3D.
Maybe test it in a repair shop if you want to double-check.
Since you've confirmed the board is working, should return that X3D.
Maybe test it in a repair shop if you want to double-check.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:50:16 No.103933521
>>103932470
They did this to me with CPUs once back in the day
bought one i5 10600k and got like 10 of them
basically nullified the cost for a good chunk of that PC build after I finally sold the other 9 I didn't need
They did this to me with CPUs once back in the day
bought one i5 10600k and got like 10 of them
basically nullified the cost for a good chunk of that PC build after I finally sold the other 9 I didn't need
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)15:52:48 No.103933561
>>103933070
fair enough
not even sure what's good in the 1200w and up space
I feel like 1200w would be overkill though, if additional USB stuffs are what you're worried about pushing you over 1000w
fair enough
not even sure what's good in the 1200w and up space
I feel like 1200w would be overkill though, if additional USB stuffs are what you're worried about pushing you over 1000w
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)17:15:54 No.103934403
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)17:23:47 No.103934490
>>103932030
I think so yes. Dual Layer IPS (LCD) are the best. They are not cheap though.
I think so yes. Dual Layer IPS (LCD) are the best. They are not cheap though.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)17:28:53 No.103934549
>>103932185
> IPS is still king
There is not even one professional OLED display to date! They are all IPS.
OLED is short-lived display slop, making sure you buy a new display ever 5 years instead of every 10.
> IPS is still king
There is not even one professional OLED display to date! They are all IPS.
OLED is short-lived display slop, making sure you buy a new display ever 5 years instead of every 10.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)17:32:00 No.103934586
>>103932249
> playing FPS games competitively.
https://www.amazon.de/ASUS-PG27AQN-27-Zoll-esports-Monitor/dp/B0BL82FYV4
> playing FPS games competitively.
https://www.amazon.de/ASUS-PG27AQN-
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)17:35:28 No.103934624
>>103930427
I preferred the tranime figures to gore
I preferred the tranime figures to gore
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)17:47:00 No.103934742
>>103932559
> where can i find benchmarks for this use case?
Nowhere because no reasonable person asks for this. Playing some casual game with low fps in a window, not fullscreen, while having some work done in the background that you look at every now and then, this is a whole different story and it's easily doable with enough cores, RAM and dedicated SSDs depending on what those background processes require.
> where can i find benchmarks for this use case?
Nowhere because no reasonable person asks for this. Playing some casual game with low fps in a window, not fullscreen, while having some work done in the background that you look at every now and then, this is a whole different story and it's easily doable with enough cores, RAM and dedicated SSDs depending on what those background processes require.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)17:58:09 No.103934877
>>103932624
50's cards will be very rare. Only few lucky people will get one in the first half of '25, even fewer in Q1.
This means that most potential customers could face a European price level on the hardware market and maybe even above IF Trump actually imposes/increases tariffs. We will see, but you have to expect that he cares more about US economy than your wishful thinking.
50's cards will be very rare. Only few lucky people will get one in the first half of '25, even fewer in Q1.
This means that most potential customers could face a European price level on the hardware market and maybe even above IF Trump actually imposes/increases tariffs. We will see, but you have to expect that he cares more about US economy than your wishful thinking.
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)18:03:22 No.103934939
>>103932909
Nice. First fake frames and now even crippled AI, crypto and multi GPU usage. THANK YOU NVIDIA!
Nice. First fake frames and now even crippled AI, crypto and multi GPU usage. THANK YOU NVIDIA!
Anonymous 01/17/25(Fri)18:06:43 No.103934982