SHOW THE FUCKING CARDS AMD
He said calmly

Building a cheap build for brother in law, he mostly plays LoL and that kind of shit, and has a lowish budget, how is this?

Ryzen 5 5600x or 5800x depending on wether he wants to spend the extra money
ASUS TUF Gaming B550-PLUS WiFi II
Corsair 4000D
1060 6gb for free from me (to later upgrade to a 4060 or something when he has money)
Some Coolermaster PSU also for free from me

Mostly unsure of AM4 but I dont think paying the premium for AM5 is worth it since I doubt he'll want to upgrade before AM5 is obsolete anyway

>>103933205
7900xtx
>>103933239
I forgot to mention I play only 1080p and I will never use frame generation

1440p and 4K seems cool but my desk is too small for a 27" and i cant find any good ones for sale that aren't just plastic pieces of shit leeching xenoestrogens into my body

am i stuck with going for 24" 1080p. even that will be sort of big for my desk

>>103933291
Get a 24" 1440p.

>>103933270
Good

>>103933275
>I play only 1080p
Not worth buying an expensive card for a trash tier monitor.

>I will never use frame generation
Your framerate can easily become CPU limited, especially with a Radeon card, and FG is one of the best ways to overcome CPU limits

Would you switch off already

What are you actually upgrading for?
I don't run any local AI shit so I genuinely can't think of a use case for a new system in the next 10 years.

>>103933329
I only play competitive shooters. FG does nothing for me. Maybe I will have a second monitor for 4k or 1440 but honestly it makes little difference to me.

CPU is 9800x3d

>>103933305
there aren't any good ones

Criticize more please, I updated some stuff to bring the cost down a few hundred. I dont care that the mobo is white its slightly cheaper.

>>103933382
Don't reply to it

people talk about how OS scaling is bad, but does that matter for video games? don't video games all scale perfectly and higher resolutions are ALWAYS better?

>>103933382
>I only play competitive shooters
Nvidia Reflex is a killer feature
Radeon technically has a competitor (Anti-Lag2) but it's in basically nogaems
Also CPU limits are a problem on Radeon, as mentioned
You don't need a 5080. Look up gameplay videos using competitive settings (read: mostly low settings) in the games you want to play

>>103933389
Your shit's really getting pushed in today, huh?

Which 5080 do I buy?

im getting 5090 day one and nobody can stop me

do i need it no but i feel strongly a need to consume it

>>103933388
>Overpriced Noctua cooler
>Pointlessly overpaying for a white motherboard when your system isn't color-coordinated to begin with.
>Overpriced DRAM-less NVME SSDs
>Paying for a 6400MT/s memory kit that not every 9800X3D can run @ 1:1 UCLK:MEMCLK setting.
I made some changes, but the storage price can change dramatically in a short time.
The KC3000 deal is being offered by Amazon Germany with limited quantities, these are better than the 990 Evos you picked.
If you are a handy manual memory overclocker, there are 6400MT/s TeamGroup kits that are sold at lower prices.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pn9wqH

>>103933403
until aliasing is inperceptible, higher resolutions are always better, no? aliasing sort of reveals the inadequecy of current resolution you're using. is there aliasing at 27" 4K?

>>103933488
4080

>>103933505
oh wtf I thought the white one was cheaper when I was looking a couple weeks ago, phew lad thanks

The build I would have made these days now that I’m more knowledgeable about PC building (in parenthesis is the build that I did a month ago):
>GPU: RX 7700 XT (got a 6600)
>CPU: Ryzen 7 5700x3D (same CPU)
>MOBO: Asrock b550m Steel Legend (got an MSI b550m Pro-Vdh wifi)
>Ram: Kingston Fury Beast 2x16GB (same ram)
>SSD: Western Digital SN770 (same SSD)
>PSU: Corsair RM750e (got a Core Reactor II 750W)
>Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Edge (got a Phantom Spirit)
>Case: Bequiet Silent Base 800 (got an O11 Air Mini)
Goddamnit, I could have built such a better PC that would last me a decade if I wasn’t so fucking hasty. Now I’m stuck with this shit build…

Security guard with a doctor wife here again

yes im cucked and she hates im gaming

how do i buy a 5090 and a high end pc without her knowing? shared economy sucks since she can see all transactions and she is "le strong woman"
we got 2 kids together so im stuck help

>xp 64 bit
>no chipset drivers
>xp 32 bit
>chipset drivers
why are mobo makers like this
how far back do I have to go jfc

>>103933531
Buy those Kingston KC3000s from Amazon Germany (even with shipping cost) before the deal runs out.
It's a pretty crappy storage market, and normies buy SSDs too.

>>103933403
>don't video games all scale perfectly
No, especially old games have problems with UI. Having said that, it's a small price to pay and there are often workarounds

>>103933510
>is there aliasing at 27" 4K?
Yes, regardless most games these days have effects that require TAA or other temporal technologies like DLSS (e.g., otherwise hair or foliage or whatever is broken)

>>103933604
AA is totally retarded at 4K 27. you're a faggot retard

>>103933532
You probably didn't overpay for any of those components anyway if you're in the US.
>got a 6600
Practically pegged at $200

>got an MSI b550m Pro-Vdh wifi
It's good enough for your CPU & SSDs

>got a Core Reactor II 750W
That XPG PSU's just fine, it's made by Corsair's PSU OEM (Channel Well Technology).
Your PSU has Cybenetics' Platinum efficiency and A- noise ratings.
This is just a different cosmetic to the RM750e PSU and a different power cable supplier.

>got a Phantom Spirit
5700X3D doesn't need an AIO.

>Case
They're both good PC cases.

You're crying over nothing, I've seen much worse completed builds.
You were fucked in the video card market anyway.
The best cards in the $200~400 price point are used cards with good buyer protection.

When the motherboard M.2 slot M2_2 (M) is used, expansion slot PCIE_1 (x16) will run in x8 mode.

How big of a deal is this

Does it make more sense just to buy old Dell Optiplex systems instead of buying individual motherboards for their respective platforms at this point? I swear to fucking god I don't know why but used motherboard prices for old Intel platforms are retarded.

>>103933388
I would hold off on a 2nd SSD and wait for more deals to come around, unless you think you're going to fill up the first 2TBs very quickly. The 990 Pro / SN850X 2TB versions were available for ~$130 just a couple months ago and I imagine they'll probably go on sale sometime again in the spring / summer. At the same time, the 990 Evo will probably be available for cheaper too. You can always just by another 990 Evo later if there aren't any discounts. Also as someone who has the X870E version of your board, just note that using the 4th m2 slot (the only other one besides the 1st that doesn't cause PCIE_1 to downgrade from x16 to x8) disables the 2nd PCIE Gen 4 x4 slot, and the 3rd/final PCIE slot is only Gen 3 x2, so it's not ideal if you ever plan to use something like a capture card, m2 adapter, etc... The X870E version on Newegg is currently bundled with a free 1TB NVME that you could resell for $40-45 dollars, basically making it the same price as the $275 X870 version. At the same time, ASROCK Steel Legend X870 or Pro RS might be a better value (3 M2 slots that don't split M2 lanes too) unless you're after specific QoL features in the Gigabyte model, like digital post display or EZ release buttons. The B850 boards releasing in like a day are also better value unless you really need USB4.

If you plan to get a newer Nvidia GPU, I don't think your PSU comes with a 12v 2x6 cable unless, given that it's a 2023 model, and you'll either have to use a questionable 12VHPWR cable or an 8 pin adapter. Can't remember what power slot the 9070XT is going to use. I would also just buy a Liquid Freezer iii 360mm for better cooling at like $10-15 cheaper than that Hawk Tuah air cooler. I just used a LFIII as my first AIO after being a air cooler person for over 10 years and I don't regret it.

>>103933537
How are you that much of a loser.
My partner knows I'm the budgeter and doesn't get mad over me buying shit.

Then again I'm not dumb enough to buy a 5090 build on a security guard wage.

>>103933711
what PSU would you recommend if I'm going for 50xx in the future (I'm on a 2080 at the moment and am fine riding with it for a few months until I can get a newer one)

>>103933537
let her bring home a bull and she'll let you game on your 5090 in peace

>>103933383
Then buy a 27" and a monitor arm.

>>103933746
i can't. the desk doesn't have an edge to clamp onto. it has walls on the side and back.

it's over

>>103933711
>If you plan to get a newer Nvidia GPU, I don't think your PSU comes with a 12v 2x6 cable unless, given that it's a 2023 model, and you'll either have to use a questionable 12VHPWR cable or an 8 pin adapter.
Except those two 12V standards use the same cables and the same male connectors.
The difference between 12VHPWR and 12V-2x6 is the female power connectors (shorter sense pins, and longer power pins).
Corsair RMes include perfectly fine native 12VHPWR cables (2x 8pin PCIe on PSU end, which is safer).
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-supply-units/will-my-12vhpwr-cable-work-with-12v-2x6/

22" 1080p = 102 PPI

27" 1440p = 109 PPI

>OMG 1440p IS SOOO MUCH BETTER THAN 1080P ITS SO CLEAR! HUGE IMPROVEMENT!

why do faggots do this

>>103933696
I think I’ll at least replace the motherboard, the b550m Steel Legend just looks so much better…

Is pcie gen 4 good enough for the next few generations? i want to keep my motherboard for 2 PCs (if its even worth it)

>>103933532
Tbh you should have just gone AM5 and paid a little more. I also don't see why you want the Steel Legend over your MSI board. I imagine there's some reason since the Asrock is like $50 more online, but I cant be assed to compare the two. The case is fine too, and if you're just gaymen I doubt you'll really notice the slightly better temps of the Frozen Edge. AM5 aside, I'd say the biggest fuck up here is the PSU, but that's only because XPG is an unknown quantity to me and I'm not going to buy a brand I'm unfamiliar with for the most important component. If you bought the GPU new, you might still be in the return window if you kept the box and shit.
>>103933537
I wouldn't recommend this if you're only using it as a cover and don't intend to follow through, but see if there's some shit you could potentially use the 5090 for to generate some side money. AI shit, 3d modeling, making videos showing off all the latest AAA slop at high settings, maybe some very light crypto mining if you somehow don't pay for electricity. Just anything where you can say, "look honey, this isn't just for bing bing wahoo". I imagine you would have downtime as a guard to look into how to start doing this stuff.

I thought I escaped this place but my gpu died and I got refunded
Now I have to wait for the new cards to come out but amd are being cunts and nvidia wont have proper information for a while yet

>>103933764
my brother if it is your desk you can drill holes into it and screw an arm onto it

>>103933785
if you're so poor you use 1080p displays in 2025 keep using them, its not like you're gonna get rich enough to buy a 150$ 1440p display

>>103933801
it's solid wood. im not doing that!

>>103933785
who uses 22 1080p ant monitors

>>103933795
talking about x16 only, im the guy with the b650 pg lightning on order for 170 euros, but i feel like the asrock b850 pro-a will be 190 when it gets here.

>>103933526
The 5080 is 30% faster. Thanks

>>103933799
Which video card died? For informational purposes.

>>103933711
Oh I forgot to mention the reason I was suggesting the X870E version is that it DOES NOT have the 2nd PCIE slot disabled issue I mentioned when using the 4th M2 slot. And the 2nd/3rd PCIE slots are Gen 4x4 and Gen 3x4 respectively, instead of Gen 4 x4 and Gen 3 x2. Only needed if you plan to use them though.
>>103933726
I'm personally using an FSP 1000W Hydro TI Pro, but I'm wondering if I should have gotten a 1200w Platinum rated Superflower for like $20 less. I just went with the Titanium FSP because I may be moving to commiefornia in the Summer and energy prices there are retarded enough where Titanium will actually be worth it for the 3 years I would be staying there at least. 1000-1200W for 5090, 850-1000w for a 5080. Anything else will be overkill or cutting it too close for comfort. I'm basing this on the 150w tdp 9800X3D, which I also have. Super Flower, FSP, Corsair and even NZXT as much as they're in the doghouse right now, will all be serviceable as long as you get a good model.
>>103933778
Oh I'm well aware, I just figured if you're buying a brand new PSU to power a $1-2k GPU, you might as well spring a little extra for one that has the updated cable that's a bit more retard proof.

>>103933707
Depends. PCIe 3 x8? Bad. PCIe 4 or 5 x8? That shouldn't have much of an impact in gaming. Probably.
But remember that PCIe will default down to the lowest standard involved so even if the slot is gen 5 if the GPU is gen 3 then you're getting gen 3 x8.

>>103933843
and?

WHICH 5080 DO I BUY?

>>103933831
Depends on which card you intend to get. The 5090 will probably be the only card that could even come close to saturating Gen 4 x16. I'd wager you'd be in the clear for other models, but nobody knows for sure yet. 6000 series is anyone's guess.

>>103933858
I had a 7900 xtx, which I cant find another of so im now stuck waiting for next gen

>>103933869
>updated cable that's a bit more retard proof.
Except the RMe (2023) PSUs are more retard proof by using safer 2x 8pin cabling on the PSU side of the 12VHPWR cable.

>>103933888
nvidia FE obviously

>>103933889
i don't want to get more than a 9070xt or a 5070ti honestly, or maybe wait for the refresh since my gpu is still going strong (wouldnt have upgraded cpu if the memory controller on it wouldnt be failing) , and realistically speaking the next after those would be like 70x0/70x0S

>>103933910
Fair enough, I'm not an electrical engineer but I was more concerned about the 12VHPWR still being the connector that ultimately slots into the GPU, given the melting incidents.

>>103933921
So im not even sure that by the time i get to that point if the rest of the stuff on it will be obsolete.

>>103933921
Yea I don't think you have worry at all for either the 5070TI or the 9070XT, and either should last you until 7000 series and whatever the fuck AMD will be calling their gen at the time.

>>103931403
nvidia truly are scummy as fuck, no wonder 5080 will become the WOAT, the first 80 class to not surpass previous flagship

>>103931645
cheaper? says who? faster? still slower than a 4090, 4090 will probably be similar price to AIB 5080's, absolute worst card ever released

>>103933933
Can't blame you, you can't find this info unless you search for it.
Corsair and Super Flower ended up adding native 12V-2x6 female power connectors to their newer PSUs, including the 2024 RMe.
Probably because they couldn't change the general buyer perception that having the new 16-pin power interface on the PSU is better & safer (they're not safer).

>>103932251
>3080 gets 5 fps at 1440p
lmao holy fuck, 2nd worst card next to 5080

>>103933958
>>103933973
>>103933993
mods plz

>>103933978
If I somehow manage to snag a 5090 at MSRP, I might just wait a month before installing it to see how other people fare at finding out if its an instant arson kit or not.

>>103933488
you buy a 5090, a 4090, or a 5070ti instead, 5080 should never be touched

>>103934018
The Chinese already tested the 5090D and the card's 575W base power limit is causing the boost clocks to throttle under gaming loads, around 2.6 ~ 2.7GHz (stock 4090 level).
But undervolting with a compatible Afterburner version should alleviate some of that issue.

>A770
>200+ bought in past month
who the fuck are keep buying these old overpriced cards

>>103934059
A770 sounds powerful, especially with 16GB VRAM.

>>103933785
I just want a 24 inch 2160p monitor...

>>103934124
the only option is that LG 24UD58. i think they stopped making it though, and it's 60hz.

>>103933785
The better question is why they keep making 27 inch 1080p monitors... or why they sell so well...

>>103933910
Do the sense pins still work on the GPU side when using an adapter?

Will the latest ATX PSU's work with my Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 systems?

>>103933221
>new budget cards inbound

When? Which cards?

>>103933291
> mimimimi mi my desk is too small for a 27"
https://arozzi.se/product-category/gaming-desk/
Report back when you got one.

>>103934124
>>103934135
There's AOC Q24G2A/BK with 165Hz if you don't mind gaymerish look.

>>103934208
amd's 9070xt $600 card for people on a budget will be here in 3 weeks

>HBU/HC lied about the battlemage overhead
I am starting to actually believe the AMDunboxed meme.

>>103933488
Imagine paying almost as much for a lousy 16GB card as the superior 4090 24GB cost MSRP. The 5080 is the biggest fraud in Nvidia's portfolio.

>>103933709
If your mobo dies it's time to sell the chip and buy new unless you're a schizo scared of Pluton

>>103933785
Most people use 24" 1080p
Regardless the extra real estate on the 27" 1440p will mog the baby 1080p monitor

>>103933795
Gen4 is fine as long as you're not planning to buy a low end graphics card with x8 PCIe lanes in the future

>>103933855
It's rather 10-15%, you are welcome. 5080 will shit the bed.

>>103933888
> 5080
We don't care what obvious retards do.

>why is everything so shitty now?!

>>103934169 is why

>>103933993
You are gullible

>>103934208
Likely low end RTX 50 in March or April

>>103934294
AMDumboxed definitely covered up and excused the Radeon overhead as much as possible. Both Radeon and Arc have similar problems with overhead

>>103934256
that's 1440p anon, for fucks sake

>>103934396
Yeah, I'm retarded, didn't read your post right.

>>103934387
what would be the non-retarded choice?

>>103934418
it's still different though. i never see a 1440p 24"

>>103934307
Where can I get those kung fu shoes she has? They’re sick.

>>103934337
>Pluton
Piece of shit backdoor.

the best build ever will be amd 9070xtx and a ryzen 10000x inside my gamers nexus affiliate link purchases lian li something case .... next year will prebuilts in this config will sell like pancakes

>>103934208
they haven't been officially announced, but 9060xt and 5060 should be out within a few months

How do we stop islam and save the white race.
/g/?

Use:dicking around with machine learning. Gaming, and need to have a vm running for my kid to play on on a diferrent work station.
Budget:$7500
Already have monitors and peripherals.

Recommend me the best possible box for this purpose and budget.

>>103934516
By implementing the final solution to the jewish problem.

>>103934534
>Budget:$7500
This is a bit more but well worth it.

>>103934312
why do people keep repeating this stupid fantasy. 4090's are $1.8-2k in the USA and like 2.5k in europe.

>>103934494
>mandatory goyslop microshart chip inside your cpu
i almost forgot about that shit
what the fuck were they thinking

>>103933809
gay

>>103934652
I don't want a plastic desk to leech xenoestrogens into my body. that's gay as hell.

retro youtubers and retro nerds are a cancer for the pc market that makes people think their e-waste is worth anything and ultimately stops old tech from depreciating

>>103934294
No they didn't, multiple sources have tested and come to the same conclusion. Quit being a shill and instead demand Intel fix their shit.

>>103934619
Microsoft asked for it and they complied because they sell a shit ton of CPUs to companies who want these "safety" features. It's no different to the fuses they added before that tied a CPU to a motherboard and would kill it if you tried to move it to another motherboard.

>>103934147
All the sense pins are is connections to ground.
They are either not connected or grounded depending on the wattage of the connector. Two of the pins are used in this way.
There is another pin that could be used to signal to the GPU when a PSU is overloaded or the power is unstable but I'm not sure if any PSU actually uses that.
The 4th pin is not used at all.

If you have an older PSU that is high wattage, there is basically zero reason to buy another just for 12VHPWR. A $30 cable from moddiy works just as well.

>>103934685
MetalJesusRocks is probably the worst example of this, every time he makes a video everything showcased in it increases in price ten fold.

>>103933221
>1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D, AOC Q27G3XMN, MSI G274QPX, ASUS XG27AQDMG, Alienware AW2725DF
Which one of these lads? Or do you guys have other suggestions apart form the OP?

>$600 is now considered mid-range according to amd
its over

>>103934841
You can thank nvidia for that, low midrange is $550 and high midrange is now $750. Entry level high end is $1k and halo tier is $2k. Also low end starts at $400.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8z-1Bqn4Rs
Why did Linus feel the need to make this video? We get it, Nvidia has 90% GPU marketshare and need some excuse to offload their AI/ML costs onto consumer silicon without games becoming too easy to run that end users can still play good looking AAA raster games on years old hardware fine. So RT will be shoehorned into games whether the hardware, dev support, etc is ready or not.

>>103934816
What is your country and budget?

>>103934816
do you want an oled or not?
how high of a framerate can you actually push at 1440p with your hardware?

>>103933291
27" monitors really aren't that much bigger dude
if your desk is "too small for 27inch" it's just too small in general
if you can fit a 24" monitor there's almost no way you actually can't fit a 27" on it

>>103933221
what goes well with aryzen 5500, rx 6600 xt?

>>103935005
my desk is 30 wide x 24 deep x 30 tall

i tried using a 24" monitor and even that felt sort of too big. i can't imagine a 27" being ok

>>103934983
>>103934930
Got a 4900, in the US. Just want a decent 1440p monitor with 144hz refresh rate, or higher like 160 something so long as the price increase isn't absurd.
I was looking at this one https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gp850-b-gaming-monitor but yeah no idea.

>>103934816
Best option (on average) right now is the AOC Q27G3XMN

>>103934881
Didn't watch. Indiana Jones is very easy to run (4060 can't even get 60 FPS at 1080p in modern Unreal games), and it's RT only. We're talking hardware accel. RT only here, no software fallbacks, cards that not RT capable cannot boot the game.

RT doesn't have to be expensive

>>103934880
>You can thank nvidia
Only AMD is responsible for its pricing. Why hasn't good guy AMD kept pricing in check? The real reason is that there's no competition. What you've seen is a SpaceX scenario, where no other company can get close. This means that normal capitalist principles about competition are out the window, and what you're left with is pricing of a (luxury) good at the max that the market can bear.

>>103935052
Instant Ramen

>>103935136
Meant to post pic related

>>103933221
can I just use an older monitor for 1040p? just an old dell, probably off an optiplex

>>103935136
>cards that not RT capable cannot boot the game
yes they can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-XZ6ypvnFk

>>103934881
Hardcoded RT is the new DEI in the games industry. It might be pushed hard in the future but just like woke agenda it will fall once companies meet strong rejection and start losing money. When people will simply refuse to buy their games and they'll be dying in 20 days after launch devs will let you disable Lumen and other garbage.

>>103935187
they won't, because RT is way easier to implement than bespoke light design. they simply won't do it anymore. you will *need* a GPU with RT to play the game

>>103933221
is there any reason to pick an intel 12th gen over a ryzen of the same gen?

>>103935229
you can get an iGPU with the 12th gen intel. ryzen 5000 series doesn't have them. no reason otherwise.

>>103935171
Interesting

>>103935187
>it will fall
Retard
At some point down the fidelity path, RT is faster than pure Rasterization. That's why conslows are investing heavily in RT (and ML reconstruction as well)

>>103935229
You're reusing slow DDR4. Ryzen is much slower than in benchmarks when you pair it with slow RAM. Core doesn't see as much hit

>>103935078
>30 wide x 24 deep x 30 tall
bro

>>103935321
what

TELL ME :(

>>103933221
what's a am4 mother board with built in wifi?

>>103935391
My fucking mousepad is bigger

>>103934587
> 4090's are
I said MSRP, didn't I? And the 5080 from AIB partners will be ~1500€ here, only little less than I paid for my 4090 in early '23. The 5080 shits the bed so hard it's D.O.A. Many will just wait another year hoping for a more valuable version.

>>103935435
what? your mousepad is fucking retarded

>>103934581
> well worth it
All crap. 10k bucks and no 9950X, no 4x4TB M.2 SSD, no 192GB of DDR5-6000CL30, just one 4090. Where did all the shekels go?

Helping my friend put his old CPU fan into a new build over a call, he said he can't get this bolt unscrewed from his cooler master hyper 212, any ideas on how he can?

>>103935120
AOC Q27G3XMN is a great monitor for the price and one of the better non oled monitors on the list
with a 4090 I'd be shooting for higher refresh rate though
lg ultragear 1440p 240hz and MSI G274QPX are both good for non oled and just get whichever is on the better sale, both can be had for under $300 if you look out
If I were buying a new 1440p monitor for a 4090 I'd get one of the last 2 on the list in the OP, personally

>>103935527
He needs a adjustable wrench

>>103935219
Most actual gamers are poorfags that buy entry level cards, if they won't be able to get decent performance in those games they wont just buy them in the first place. Maybe in future when budget cards get much better RT support and wont suffer a massive performance hit RT is going to be mandatory, until then I don't see gamedev studios shooting their legs.

>>103935548
forgot to mention the last two are oled
so you have to decide if you're ok with that or not

>>103935552
What would he need to do exactly?

>>103935219
The guiding principle of the past 5 years of game development as how can we make the player eat our costs for us the penalties to image quality and performance be damned?
This is a screenshot of Far Cry 4 which came out in 2014 running on the PS4 using a custom APU equivalent of the Radeon HD 7850 and I am supposed to be impressed by RT titles like Alan Wake 2 that can't even muster a stable 60 FPS @ 1440p with anything less than RTX 4080?

>>103934427
Using your current GPU a little longer would be smart if anyhow possible.
Only slightly less retarded: the 5090 or the 5070Ti depending on the use case, 4k or 1440p.
The 5080 is pathetic for what it will actually cost, way more than MSRP that is.

>>103935563
>>103935548
>>103935136
Yeah it's likely I'll buy the AOC one, just seems like the best option in terms of specs/price. I'm also not planning on getting an OLED screen for my PC, so there's that as well.

>>103933888
The cheapest one.

>>103933221
How hot and loud is a 600W video card?

>>103935702
It's a lot of warmth, but as for loud and hot that depends on the cooler and the fans used. I really want to see reviews on the 2 slot 2 fan FE 5090

>>103934169
this has to be bait
where are the dudebros

>>103935527
The absolute state
You need something to grip the hex thingy (aka the nut) and jam your way smaller than average screwdriver up the other side

>>103935622
>a picture for ants
It's about the details, man.

>>103935627
>Using your current GPU a little longer would be smart if anyhow possible.
This is good advice, unless you're upgrading from a few gens ago. But keep in mind, you'll be waiting at least a year if not two for another buying window. RTX 60 in two years could be substantially better gen over gen, considering it'll be on a new node.

Another consideration is that games aren't going to get much more demanding in the midrange for a while. They have to run on PS5 at least and Series S often, both of which are pitifully weak at this point, but the Series S is like a spec of dust against the power of current PC hardware. GPU is need satiated for now (which is another reason that new cards are overpriced: anything even midrange is a massively premium experience). What's more worrisome is CPU, as you can bet we're about to see the R7 3700X = 25 FPS in a lot of games conslow ports, and you've got to be buying the best of the best of gaming CPUs to even double that, let alone quadruple it. You're going to learn to love Frame Generation.

>>103935702
Hot, like a mini space heater. I'm not joking.
https://www.amazon.com/XIUREI-Adjustable-Tip-Over-Overheat-Protection/dp/B0CG3HYVGW

>>103935120
>>103935689
>Buying a 4090 only to use it with an LCD
That's like buying a Ferrari just go mudding offroad. They aren't that expensive anymore, you can get a 27" 1440 model for $500:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2
Why deny yourself instant response times, perfect contrast, colors, and panel uniformity in 2025?

>>103935554
>9 of the 10 top gpus are RT capable
what's the problem here again?
if people get bad performance they'll turn their settings down or play with shit fps like they'd do on console

>>103935958
not him, but burn in

>>103935958
*burns in in your path*
*blurs your text in your path*
*scratches from the slightest touch in your path*

>>103934581
>alienware
I guess /g/ really is dead.

Do you guys think it'll fit?
>DeepCool AK500 ZERO DARK CPU Cooler
>Gigabyte X870 AORUS ELITE WIFI7 ATX AM5 Motherboard

>>103935958
Left monitor has all that IPS blooming shit going on.
The blacks are less dark as well.

>>103936063
It should be fine

>update nvidia drivers
>lights on gpu keep flashign orange then going back to normal randomly
GUYS?

>>103936032
He was being sarcastic because $7500 isn't needed to build a high-end PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zgC2A0ehU
>QDEL Update @ CES 2025

>>103935702
Sub zero and 0db

>>103935527
literally just use an adjustable wrench or some channel locks, channel locks unscrew anything...

>>103935436
you're right. 5080 is DoA, I've been saying it for weeks

>>103935618
Use wrench to turn hex shaped nut
Use screw driver or bit to hold screw

>Microsoft Pluton
So, does AMD's 9000 series CPUs have Pluton? Couldn't find anything online, so I presume the answer is "no"?

>>103936582
>>103936636
that blackness would look nice in a fractal north xl with all black parts

>>103935187
Meh, right now PT and RT are a complete disaster not worth bothering with, but I think could improve in time. In like 5 gens maybe?
I’m not sure tho, looking at 27 FPS in cyberpunk with a dumbed down version of PT, KEK

>>103933221
alternatives to the SN580? for some retarded reason WD stuff is overpriced in Amazon Mexico and i can't recieve stuff from other stores so yeah, any alternatives that i might be able to find in Amazon but still be in a 50 dollar budget for a 512GB drive?

>>103936791
Any Teamgroup SSD

This is probably a stupid question but:

I was previously told that newer AMD processors could have issues running Windows 10 due to compatibility with the 3d Cache, but then another user lower in the chain said it only impacted the 7900x3d and 7950x3d due to them being high power and needing to CCD dies, and that it wasn't an issue with 8 core chips and below which were unified

I'm not sure if the 9800x3d was a thing at the time, so would that also be safe with W10, or does it have enough power or CCD dies to also potentially have a problem?

Question: Why does it seem G.skill doesn't make >6000mhz ram for AM5 boards? most of their ram is 5600-6000, is this because they want less rmas and want the most stable ram possible? All the higher speed rams I've seen are like ADATA, Kingston, etc.

Also why is ram that is higher capacity lower speeds? the 32gb+ have like 6000 or less mhz most of the time.

It seems 16gb is the "sweet spot" for speed.

>>103936908
I personally would just use win 11 iot ltsc for AM5 just to have less chance of issues. Win 10 is fine for AM4 tho.

Release the 9070XT already you cowards

>>103936996
Next week

>>103936582
>managed to make it thinner even tho it draws almost 2x more watt
ngl nvidia really nailed thermal engineering

>>103937034
I feel like most AIBs are gonna start leaving Nvidia because of this. They can't compete with that on price or design. Maybe that's what Nvidia wants.

Im in aus and everything is fucked over here.

Is the 7900xtx going to have any competition this release? the 5080? AMD card?
I need to know now because i won't be able to get one that's not refurbed soon.

@Jayztwocents 55 Minutes ago

Let's talk about the elephant in the room! (No not me...) the 14700k.

I agree that the 9800X3D is a beast of a CPU, but even as all of your savior deep dive channels have shown, at 4K it DOESNT.... FREAKING.... MATTER!!! PERIOD!!

I am so sick of people thinking the only CPU that exists is the X3D variants. The 14700K is a great cpu (if updated) at a MUCH cheaper and easier to get value proposition!

I even made a whole video about this but nah, I wouldn't expect people to have seen it. Go ahead and think the world is 9800X3D or bust, that's fine. CPU choice is a great thing...

With this build however the goal is Uber high settings at 4K, and also having good cpu compute power as well, live steaming etc. Stop forgetting the 9800X3D is towards the bottom of modern cpu charts with real world compute. It's a one trick pony

End Rant

>>103937132
14700k doesn't make sense when 9950x exists now and a 7950x3d is better. Plus the 9950x3d is coming out soon.

>>103937180
He hates AMD that's it

>>103937197
yea he sucks intel's fat cock constantly. He's done it for a decade now. Even when Intel was riding on their mediocrity from 2013-2019

>>103937204
On one end of the spectrum you have AMDunboxked and than on the other you have IntelGaveJayTwoCentz

>>103937216
yea hardwareunboxed suck AMD's cock, every video they shill the low end AMD cards. And Jay is just a fan boy, he always shills the workstation Intel CPUs. something like a 7950x3d rapes them both. and 9950x3d will when it comes out.

>>103936918
>Question: Why does it seem G.skill doesn't make >6000mhz ram for AM5 boards
Because DDR5 on AM5 sucks ass and there's no way around it

>>103937132
I happened to see that vid, hilarious. And his constantly playing with his wedding ring. As if he wanted to get rid of it.

5070ti still the option to go for from a 3060ti?

>>103937480
>Because DDR5 on AM5 sucks ass and there's no way around it
what's the alternative then? because I'm simply not buying a non-AM5 platform. Unless you have some Intel socket to recommend....

>>103937503
There is no alternative. You buy AM5 you get 6000MHz sticks. You can get higher, don't count on it being stable without shitloads of tinkering to find a sweet spot for it.

>>103937132
why won't anyone actually post the differences at 4K

no not that UPSCALED 4K the HUB video did, almost tricked me
tell me the 9800x3d doesnt do shit at 4K native so i can cope with my 7700x for a few years

Where do I get a bot for the 5090

>>103937115
It all comes down to the 9070xt
Itll be priced around the xtx but leaks are pointing to it being weaker
The 5070 (non ti) will be the nvidia alternative

>>103937545
It brings up your 0.1% and 1% lows depending on the game but it doesn't do that much for averages
But why the fuck would you play native 4K when you can just turn on DLSS for extra performance?
1080p CPU benchmarks are more relevant than ever

>>103937545
because increasing resolution is a GPU task. CPU doesn't matter if all you're doing is increasing the resolution

>>103937549
you don't, bots have been taken, even the bots have a waitlist for your waitlisted card LOL

>>103937586
How is this allowed?

>>103937599
nigga just go to a physical computer store and line up before opening on launch day if you fail to get an online order
I'm going to a Best Buy store to pick up a 5080 FE for myself and a 5090 FE to resell

>>103937622
I am traveling to the EU for a trip planned months ago and don't get back to the US before the night of the 31st. I wanted to camp out but I can't.

>>103937480
this is why AMD needs to release the 9800X3D on AM4

>>103933855
> The 5080 is 30% faster. Thanks
15% with 20% more TDP

>>103937599
>>103937660
rip bro

>>103937243
You mean to say that they point out that Nvidia cards aren't worth buying?

>>103937674
lol intel raped

>>103937685
I used to snipe hyped up sneakers manually to resell to retards as a highschooler. I'm gonna beat the bots, I swear.

>>103936928
Is the 7840HS an AM4 or AM5 CPU

>>103937674
huh, i thought msfs is one of those few games that scale well with more cores

5090 will sell out and ayyyymds will seethe

does anyone else have a problem of always wanting to change cases after around a year?!

>>103937755
why would I seethe? I'm buying a 9070xt, you can have all the 5090s

>>103937735
It's not any socket because it's a laptop CPU

>>103937757
I used to, but if you pick a sleek modern sexy case you shouldn't

I'll also try to get my hands on a 5090 FE...
To resell it for +$4000.

>>103937803
what case do you have?

>>103936918
> Also why is ram that is higher capacity lower speeds?
Higher capacity than 24GB ("the sweet spot for speed") on one DIMM require chips on both sides of the PCB. This comes with technical difficulties with signal transmission, it requires more Volts to be stable and/or lower clocks/higher timings.

> Why does it seem G.skill doesn't make >6000mhz ram for AM5 boards?
Ryzen is the problem. You either go low latency in synchronous mode with 6000-6200 (rarely 6400)MHz or 8000MHz+ in async mode. There is nothing in between that makes any sense. So why should G.Skill produce it? DIMMs of 8000 and beyond can't be produced in large numbers, the reject rate in production and binning is so high that DIMMs become insanely expensive and G.Skill has limited means of production anyway. Other manufacturers like Kingston have significantly larger production capacities. I'm still waiting for G.Skill's announced modules to arrive the market, like their DDR5-6000CL28 2x32 & 2x48GB kits. They are not yet listed in their website's RAM configurator. They will cost so much more than existing CL30 kits that I probably take the latter anyway. CL30 seems the sweet spot for cas latency with large capacity modules.

>>103937823
rn I have a Lian Li 011 dynamic (black) but I build it like 6 years ago. If I was picking a case rn I'd get a fractal north xl since it comes with a built in fan hub and has good spacing. Either that or a Antec flux pro.

>>103937843
what would you recommend? I want at least 32 gb, preferably 64 total and EXPO for an AM5 processor like a 9950x for running local k8s stuff, VMs, etc.

>>103937755
It seems they are sold out before sales even started: WHAT A SUCCESS!

>>103937132
>I agree that the 9800X3D is a beast of a CPU, but even as all of your savior deep dive channels have shown, at 4K it DOESNT.... FREAKING.... MATTER!!! PERIOD!!
I need retarded youtubers to stop spouting this dogshit take for one second
If you play a CPU heavy game at 4k it totally matters
I feel like I'm having flashbacks to the days when retards were using 10 year old 2600Ks and complaining about bad optimization because they couldn't tell that their slow ass 4c/4t CPU was being bottlenecked

I'm tired of seeing the same retarded GPU heavy AAA dogshit being used for the basis of these CPU based conclusions.

>>103937874
>feel like I'm having flashbacks to the days when retards were using 10 year old 2600Ks and complaining about bad optimization because they couldn't tell that their slow ass 4c/4t CPU was being bottlenecked
it's funny because Jay is the EXACT person who was spilling this shit years ago. He can't stop sucking the big fat blue cock. I bought it up too I had a 4790k and it started sucking ass.

>>103937818
Why do you want to lose so much money? kek

>>103937874
>I feel like I'm having flashbacks to the days when retards were using 10 year old 2600Ks and complaining about bad optimization because they couldn't tell that their slow ass 4c/4t CPU was being bottlenecked
lmao yup, I remember some retard on /v/ doing exactly that with a Geforce 1070.

>>103937846
>fractal north xl
looks pretty clean, not sure how I feel about the giant perforated backside though.

>>103937755
No I won't, I'll be happy cause the 9070 will be in stock and I won't have to pay the scalper tax.

>>103937917
yea. The thing about cases is, if you get lucky and get a nice case with fans already installed or a hub included you are saving like 80-100 dollars in fans and a hub. Good PWM quality fans aren't cheap and you can easily spend over 100 on just fans, I have like 6 Noctua chromax in my setup + a pwm fan hub direct to the CPU + a 360mm rad with 3 fans so you're running like 9 fans which is excellent airflow.

I just saw a video on Lian Li Fans being the worst shit ever

>>103937575
Not every game has upscaling that's the problem. Helldivers 2 is a famous one from last year.

>>103937978
I only bought two Lian Li cases in my life and both them had issues with the stock fans out of the box. I believe it.

>>103937979
yea HD2 is a famous recent example of not even having DLSS. there's quite a few that don't. Which is why people are shitting their pants over the 50 series.

>>103937979
>>103938006
HD2 is an exception because the game uses an engine that isn't even supported by the engine devs anymore. Basically every other modern engine is adding or has added DLSS and at a lesser frequency, FSR & XeSS.
Darktide uses the same engine as HD2 and Fatshart was able to add in DLSS. Granted Fatshart apparently had a more extensive hand in developing/customizing the engine so maybe they just know how the engine works better than the HD2 team

>>103937674
What was the memory configuration for the 265K? A 20% deficit in GPU-bound 4K games is insane.

>>103937748
I think the -X3D chips already stood out in Flight Simulator, and the memory latency penalty in Arrow Lake's tile design makes things worse.
Arrow Lake systems are starting at a +20ns memory latency disadvantage even with 8200MT/s CUDIMM XMP enabled.
A quick look at some Overclock.net posts shows the better Arrow Lake tunings are getting memory latencies as low as ≈67ns, which is about 5 ~ 8ns better than most common DDR5 XMP presets.
Frequency is much higher at +9300MT/s.

>>103937869
I would generally get 2x48GB DDR5-6000CL30 to pair it with any 16 core workhorse, anticipating the need to upgrade on RAM sooner or later anyway. With two DIMMS you can still get decent speed.

>>103938029
I mean HD2 runs pretty good for me on 1440 even compared to slop like Stalker using UE5. devs are just lazy as fuck and big game studios would rather throw DLSS as a crutch instead of actually optimizing shit.

BF3 used frostbite shit and they optimized it years ago I could get like 80 fps on 1080p using a mid tier card before we even had gay shit like FSR DLSS.

>>103938004
>>103937978
The ones in my lancool have been fine but I certainly wouldn't be out of my way to buy their fans when artic has cheaper options and noctua has the best.

Honestly I'm impressed that they got the 5090 to fit in 2 slots and be half the size of the 4090

>>103933221
https://www.twistedminds.co/collections/gaming-monitors
>UAE
Can Towelheads make good monitors?

>got a 4070 last year, with 7800x3d and 32gb ram
>ended up switching to linux shortly after
>been having problems with the nvidia drivers ever since
I'm contemplating whether it would be stupid to sell the 4070 and switch to one of the new AMD cards coming out if they end up being a good value. Is this a bad idea? I haven't had any performance issues in the games I play at 1440p, but the overall experience on Linux with Nvidia hasn't been ideal.
But I've also heard there's a new AMD architecture or something coming out next year and that the cards coming out next week are like a stopgap.

>>103938142
nvidia doesn't care about linux
switch to the xtx or 9070

>>103938142
>Is this a bad idea?
it would be a bad idea on release because you can expect a few weeks to a few months for RADV to catch up with the new architecture

>>103938142
why don't you just run win 11 iot ltsc and run a VM for your linux so you can have the best nvidia drivers for your main

>>103938142
It's not a stopgap, even if UDNA wasn't coming out they'd still only be offering midrange options. The point of going midrange is to limit the number of types of chips they have to make so they can compete on scale. And there is no chance UDNA will be out before late 2026.

What games can I play using the iGPU of a 7600 CPU while I wait for the jews and chinks to realease their latest scam cards?

>>103938220
half life

>>103938220
Factorio just came out with an expansion.

>>103938220
Factorio

>>103938220
cyberpunk 2077 path tracing 8k

>>103938230
>half life
Its been a few years I should give it a try
>>103938231
>>103938232
>Factorio
Never heard of it
>103938239
So gay I'm not even giving it a (You)

>>103938255
>Never heard of it
bro.......

>>103938255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8SBp4SyvLc

It's a pretty complicated logistics game that isn't hard to get into. Basically you make a big factory to launch a rocket to escape a planet you crashed on. In the expansion, you go to additional planets after launching the rocket.

>>103938217
I don't really need anything more powerful than whatever the xx70 equivalent is, but I've seen some people with AMD cards complain about their cards from a few years ago not being supported anymore. I could be misunderstanding completely since I've been on Nvidia for a long time and don't understand how AMD's software works.

>>103938185
That's fine, I'm not buying anything until I see what people think a few months down the line anyway. Mostly wanted to get a general sense of if this is a stupid idea or not since I normally only upgrade every 5 years.

>>103938123
>Muslim country makes monitors
>Their company is called "Twisted Minds"
There's a joke about the Quran in here somewhere.

>>103936787
rt off is actually how real shadows work

>>103938283
>but I've seen some people with AMD cards complain about their cards from a few years ago not being supported anymore.
Anon, on Linux, AMD just released a driver update for all graphics cards going back to 2006 one week ago. Desktop AMD drivers on Linux are great.

rocm is a different story, that's the AMD driver for doing AI meme shit plus a few legitimate activities like video editing. I'm told rocm 6 is a lot better than 5 but there's not a lot of consumer AMD cards that work with either rocm 5 or 6. It's the type of thing where rocm really only works on a small number of Linux distros and frankly only people who were paid full time to deal with rocm 5 ever bothered.

>>103938283
>I've seen some people with AMD cards complain about their cards from a few years ago not being supported anymore
this is only the windows drivers, which dropped support for APUs that are still being sold (lmao)
on linux you still get updates for anything going back to the HD 7970
>Mostly wanted to get a general sense of if this is a stupid idea or not since I normally only upgrade every 5 years
if you're on linux you need AMD (valve said they're working with intel's open source team, which is nice, but it's not there yet)
so yes, i think it makes sense to sell the 4070

>>103937792
I figured, but in the context of your point and it's general generation/recency in relation to compatibility with w10

>>103938123
They're probably getting a Chinese OEM to put their brand on a stock monitor design.
This looks similar to some Koorui monitors, which would be good.
Do some investigation to find their OEM.

>>103934169
irresponsible inclusivity hiring of these women who get laid off as soon as tech sector is down.

these women should get the picture they're not real employees from going to work and only having to forward emails to actual engineers and zoom chat about all day about products they're not the coders for. it sets them up for financial failure when they get laid off.

>>103938337
>>103938338
Okay, thanks a lot for talking through it with me. Here's hoping the new cards end up being decent

>>103938338
>on linux you still get updates for anything going back to the HD 7970
Anon, one week ago AMD extended amdgpu support to all Terascale cards.

>>103938435
Funny, my first card was a 6870

>>103937978
Lian Li is probably shopping around OEM fan blade designs that pair well with their frame or case designs.
It's expensive to keep an in-house design team and these teams don't always make great products.
Scythe's Wonder & Grand Tornado fans didn't live up to the hype.

>>103938435
i don't know if that's true but regardless the important bits (radeonsi, RADV) only target GCN/RDNA
not like having top-tier opengl and vulkan 1.4 support all the way back to 2011 is a bad thing

>>103938477
You could use amdgpu on Terascale before, but analog video output wouldn't work on all monitors and hardware decoding didn't work properly. It works now.

>>103938500
ah i see
cool but if you go that far back you have to rely on community-maintained drivers
i recall someone got a limited vulkan driver working on terascale
(windowsfags could never)

>>103935912
It wasn't bait, it really was like this but they all got fired after pandemic.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkc9E726K3I
>that top comment and all the retarded amdrones screeching
holy SHIT it is impossible to go anywhere on the internet and not have some retarded amd faggot crying about SOMETHING SOMEWHERE
what the FUCK

>>103936582
am i a gpusexual if the 5090 fe turns me on bros?

>>103938566
kek I knew the gravy train wouldn't last forever. All the 350k DEI "engineers" got rekt. Now they have to make a measly 150k like the rest of us.

>>103938568
to be fair Jay is annoying as fuck sometimes, I'm glad he lost the weight tho but it looks like he's putting it back on at his old age. Years of being 500 lb destroys your body.

>>103936582
also while i find the design sexy, i can't help but feel that these cards are going to SUUUUUUUCK thermally. like they'll be exhausting heat towards your ram and your cpu

>>103938614
That's how they were designed, the design has the air going in and out the back, so in a traditionally installed GPU that means it's going straight into your CPU.

>>103938391
Who's the OEM for AOC and MSI Monitors?

>>103938568
we need a negative term for the type of person that exclusively uses amd, watches gamersnexus and hardwareunboxed, and has a pc from over 10 years ago

>>103938614
If you're going to air cool a high watt appliance, and the individual components need separate cooling, then eventually you'll have to just accept shrouds directing airflow to separate those components.

>>103938614
If the cooling is pretty good, the exhaust air wouldn't be too hot since the finstacks would be cooled down sufficiently by the flowthrough
But then again being a 2 slotter, it has very little thermalmass and will heat up more than 4 slot gpus

>>103938614
There shouldn't be any problems if you're using an AIO
Might heat up your CPU a bit if you're using a tower cooler
You can also change the case air flow to rear & bottom intake plus front & top exhaust. Then only 1 half of the FE exhaust would hit your CPU tower cooler

>>103938648
a redditor?

>>103938648
The vocal minority

>>103938614
>like they'll be exhausting heat towards your ram and your cpu
sounds like a case issue to me

>buy a refurbished Acer Nitro XV275K
>arrives with a huge region of stuck pixels
>return, buy a second refurbished one
>it has a different region of stuck pixels
>give up and just buy a brand new one
>a week later, it has a singular stuck pixel
What the fuck??
Can someone recommend an alternative monitor for 27" 4k 144hz+?

>>103938568
>it is impossible to go anywhere on the internet and not have some retarded amd faggot crying about SOMETHING SOMEWHERE
That's just what AMDrones do
even if he used a 9800X3D the comments will be full of people hyping up the 9070 or crying about the price or fake frames instead

>>103938691
>27" 4k 144hz+?
what non existent card are you using that will get you 144hz @ 4k on a modern title?

>>103938683
>case issue
This got me thinking, any reason why motherboards can't be switched to have GPUs on top and CPU/RAM on the bottom, the opposite of what we have now.

>>103938701
I'm on a 3090 and everything I want to play runs over 144fps at 4k.

>>103938701
>4k on a modern title?
What are you one of those homosexuals?

>>103938714
Inverted cases exist anon

>>103938724
Same.

>>103938714
Because that's not standard and there's a dozen simpler solutions based around a case that fits your GPU centric build.

>>103938724
>>103938740
on RTX enabled? DLSS? Cyberpunk? Ultra settings?

>>103938751
Well with the way things are going we're gonna need a new standard as GPUs are now the most powe hungry and hot component of a PC.

>>103938760
See >>103938729

>>103938763
When was this not the case?

>>103938760
I don't know what those words mean. I just launch the game I want, choose the maximum preset, and the number in the corner reads 144.

It looks really fucking good on this monitor too, I genuinely love it. Just not the stuck pixels.

So, 27" 4K 144hz monitor recommendations?

>>103938770
>>103938778
so you can't run modern titles @ 4k @ 144.. got it. Yea the benchmarks say the same thing. Enjoy league.

>>103938785
Why are you turning it into an argument?

The games *I* play run at 4k 144hz, so that means I need a 4k 144hz monitor.

Why would I buy a monitor to play your favorite games instead of mine?

>>103938772
When we had Intel running at 300+ watts

>>103938785
Dude if you want to suck dick i don't care. Just don't tell me about it.

>>103937674
what's 285k like? or is it just as dogshit?

>>103938763
We really don't. AI is a meme and after it dies then gaming GPUs will max out with dies about the size of what the 5070 uses for cost reasons. 10 years ago if we optimized for meme performance then every case would be Ultra ATX to fit four graphics cards instead. And we'd still be stuck with that standard.

>>103938801
the point is you're basing your assumption on the same stuff you're playing NOW and not in future

>>103938813
For games, it's exactly the same.

>>103938813
In gaming it's just as shit, in productivity it matches the 9950 so you go for it if your particular workload does better on Intel.

>>103938817
Well, yeah?
Of course I'm buying something I can use now.
Why would I instead buy something I don't need?

AMD WON??? HOW??

>>103938817
Not him, but that's pretty normal. You know that nobody cares that their screen can only max all but one of their games, right?

>>103938813
The ultra series are pretty bad, they're not house fire starters like the 14th gens but they're just meh. Some of them have NPUs now which are KEK useless because Nvidia's RT SDK for CUDA literally rapes them in ML inferencing with Pytorch and Tensorflow. Pretty much Intel is fucked CPU wise. They should pivot to GPus since the B580 has been bodying the 4060 recently.

>>103937674
holy shit why can't people add one single fucking 4X game in here

>>103938871
nobody plays that trash

I was looking at the psu tier list and saw these 2. Everyone praising corsair on the internet but never seen anything about asus rog. Is it good? They are the same price where I live.

>>103938944
refer to the hardware busters link in the OP
the cultist list is out of date

>>103938639
AOC is an in-house brand of the display OEM TPV.
TPV is one of the largest monitor manufacturers in the world, they also have the license to make Philips-branded monitors.
I can't find information about MSI's OEM, they are a relatively new player in gaming monitors (started in 2016) but they make some good models.
I think Gigabyte and MSI use the same OEM for the QD-OLED monitors, the front & back monitor designs look too similar.

I am 100% sure Gigabyte and MSI don't share the same monitor engineering R&D know-how, they have different ways of tackling certain image quality issues.

>/pcbg/ says ventus is bad
>ventus is the only xx80 that can fit in my block
Whatdo?

>>103939219
If it's a water block, the Ventus is okay.
The main criticism is using generally thinner heatsinks and smaller fans compared to some of the better base MSRP cards.
MSI also sets a hard power limit on Ventus cards, their vBIOS cannot go past NVIDIA's base power limit for that GPU model (ex. 320W maximum limit for 4080 Super Ventus).
Some people flash a Gaming X or Suprim vBIOS on their Ventus cards to increase the maximum board power limit but do plenty of research before you try this.
The Gaming X and Suprim also have lower maximum power limits compared to competing models.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-ventus-3x/43.html

The card looks pretty bad especially if ASUS' base MSRP model is the TUF.

>>103935963
That's the point. RT aren't going to become mandatory in foreseeable future remaining an optional gimmick.