/pcbg/ - PC Building General
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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q4 2024)
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous: >>103905869
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/inde
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/be
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous: >>103905869
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:39:26 No.103908833
Fuck nvidia, fuck AMD.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:40:08 No.103908838
I don't know what I'm going to do once 5000 / 9000 series cards drop and I finally get one, ending all the hype and anticipation. Certainly not play video games like I intended to, that's for sure.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:40:18 No.103908840
>>103908824
PCBG chuds... should I go after a second hand RTX 4090 or a RTX 5090 FE?
I don't know why I'm getting such insane FOMO over it. Especially as the RTX 4090 prices in the UK aren't going down.
I want to get *a* HALO product just to not have to upgrade for another 7 years like I was with my GTX 970, this RTX 3070 is barely lasting me 4.
PCBG chuds... should I go after a second hand RTX 4090 or a RTX 5090 FE?
I don't know why I'm getting such insane FOMO over it. Especially as the RTX 4090 prices in the UK aren't going down.
I want to get *a* HALO product just to not have to upgrade for another 7 years like I was with my GTX 970, this RTX 3070 is barely lasting me 4.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:40:24 No.103908843
>>103908824
Why is the figure ON the pc and not IN the pc
Why is the figure ON the pc and not IN the pc
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:41:14 No.103908858
Remember to pay Jensen $550 + Tax + $50 AIB upcharge + mandatory 20% Tip for your 5070 (internal name 4070 super premium edition) for a 4% increase in performance!
(You'll have to turn on dlss if you want more)
(You'll have to turn on dlss if you want more)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:41:17 No.103908859
>>103908833
fpbp
fpbp
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:41:49 No.103908870
According to Time Spy, Intel's Arc A770 is on average the better gaming video card than the 3060Ti and 3070.
But that's not how things work in real game performance benchmarks.
When you see someone posting their Time Spy benchmark in '25 to show off their gaming system's performance, laugh at them.
Especially ones with a sub-20K CPU score.
But that's not how things work in real game performance benchmarks.
When you see someone posting their Time Spy benchmark in '25 to show off their gaming system's performance, laugh at them.
Especially ones with a sub-20K CPU score.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:41:56 No.103908871
>>103908843
too big to fit inside
too big to fit inside
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:43:42 No.103908898
>>103908824
this image is depressing as fuck for so many reasons
this image is depressing as fuck for so many reasons
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:44:14 No.103908902
>>103908840
Entirely dependent on what the price of the 4090 is. If you're only going to save a couple hundred bucks, or "quid" as your kind calls it, then I think that'd be a foolish reason to accept another mans sloppy seconds that he has done the Queen knows what with. As far as longevity goes, the 5090 is more poised to last with the framegen tech that the 4090 won't have access to. I personally plan to get a 5090 and then forget about GPUs for the next 7-8 years. My fucking 2070 has lasted me for almost 7.
Entirely dependent on what the price of the 4090 is. If you're only going to save a couple hundred bucks, or "quid" as your kind calls it, then I think that'd be a foolish reason to accept another mans sloppy seconds that he has done the Queen knows what with. As far as longevity goes, the 5090 is more poised to last with the framegen tech that the 4090 won't have access to. I personally plan to get a 5090 and then forget about GPUs for the next 7-8 years. My fucking 2070 has lasted me for almost 7.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:44:48 No.103908908
My PSU pcie cable is fucking ugly, anyone knows if it’s ok to replace them?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:46:14 No.103908928
>>103908902
My only fear with the 5090 is I would have to put it on credit, that and I think my PSU is like 800w, but I'll double check as I can't remember if I shilled out for a 1000w
My only fear with the 5090 is I would have to put it on credit, that and I think my PSU is like 800w, but I'll double check as I can't remember if I shilled out for a 1000w
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:46:21 No.103908930
>>103908870
I will say my 16gb A770 was holding up against my 3070ti very closely in some titles, and then others it was absolutely at the performance tier I expected which was around the 3060/3060ti.
GTA V was an example, 5-6fps difference between the A770 and a 3070ti.
Or Halo MCC, same story, most games it was nearly the same.
But then games like insurgency sandstorm or halo infinite, it was back down to the 3060’s performance tier and the 3070ti outperformed it.
I’m still not entirely sure what was causing the differences.
I will say my 16gb A770 was holding up against my 3070ti very closely in some titles, and then others it was absolutely at the performance tier I expected which was around the 3060/3060ti.
GTA V was an example, 5-6fps difference between the A770 and a 3070ti.
Or Halo MCC, same story, most games it was nearly the same.
But then games like insurgency sandstorm or halo infinite, it was back down to the 3060’s performance tier and the 3070ti outperformed it.
I’m still not entirely sure what was causing the differences.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:46:40 No.103908936
>>103908898
What gives it away? the walls?
What gives it away? the walls?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:47:23 No.103908948
>>103908824
>glass panel meme is becoming a staple
>recommending GPUs that aren't launching for another month but still recommending B650 motherboards when B850 boards are releasing in literally two days
>no 1080p (most popular resolution by far) GPU recommendations
Shit OP as always.
>glass panel meme is becoming a staple
>recommending GPUs that aren't launching for another month but still recommending B650 motherboards when B850 boards are releasing in literally two days
>no 1080p (most popular resolution by far) GPU recommendations
Shit OP as always.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:47:32 No.103908950
>>103908908
Get extensions if you have the case room to cram cables, $30 solution.
Or get an entire set of sleeved cables if your psu type is common enough that they’re readily available, $120 solution
Get extensions if you have the case room to cram cables, $30 solution.
Or get an entire set of sleeved cables if your psu type is common enough that they’re readily available, $120 solution
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:48:45 No.103908968
>>103908950
Where can I buy those extensions?
Where can I buy those extensions?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:48:53 No.103908970
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:49:00 No.103908971
>>103908908
Yes, but just MAKE SURE the new cable is directly compatible. Only one end of PSU cables are standardized.
Yes, but just MAKE SURE the new cable is directly compatible. Only one end of PSU cables are standardized.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:50:30 No.103908983
>>103908928
Oooh yea I think 800W would be cutting it too close unless you're fine limiting the power target. I feel a little uneasy with my 1000W PSU and my AMD CPU only had a 150wTDP. Definitely a no go for you at 800w if you're running intel.
Oooh yea I think 800W would be cutting it too close unless you're fine limiting the power target. I feel a little uneasy with my 1000W PSU and my AMD CPU only had a 150wTDP. Definitely a no go for you at 800w if you're running intel.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:51:13 No.103908990
I can't wait for the mass nvidiacel meltdown
the cope when amd wipes the floor this generation will be glorious
the cope when amd wipes the floor this generation will be glorious
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:52:24 No.103909004
>>103908990
this but for AMDelusionals
this but for AMDelusionals
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:52:38 No.103909006
>>103908970
And the 12400F isn't?
And the 12400F isn't?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:52:49 No.103909009
>3 threads in one day
Quick rundown?
Quick rundown?
sage 01/15/25(Wed)16:53:03 No.103909011
>>103908930
The relative performance chart is an average of 25 relatively new games including DX11, Unigine, and popular games with proprietary engines mixed in.
Chips and Cheese analyzed the Arc GPU a few years ago.
>From results across the internet, the A770 seems to compete more with the RX 6600 XT than the 6700XT. On paper though, the A770 should have no trouble standing head and shoulders above the 6700XT.
>I suspect that’s because the A770 needs a lot of work in flight to really shine. Intel probably does well when handling operations executed across every pixel in a high resolution frame. It probably doesn’t do as well when when pixel or other high occupancy work is a smaller fraction of the work needed to render a frame.
Keep in mind Intel hired Raja Koduri to lead this little project and the chip architecture has similarities to Radeon's GCN.
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/microbenchmarking-intels-arc-a770
The relative performance chart is an average of 25 relatively new games including DX11, Unigine, and popular games with proprietary engines mixed in.
Chips and Cheese analyzed the Arc GPU a few years ago.
>From results across the internet, the A770 seems to compete more with the RX 6600 XT than the 6700XT. On paper though, the A770 should have no trouble standing head and shoulders above the 6700XT.
>I suspect that’s because the A770 needs a lot of work in flight to really shine. Intel probably does well when handling operations executed across every pixel in a high resolution frame. It probably doesn’t do as well when when pixel or other high occupancy work is a smaller fraction of the work needed to render a frame.
Keep in mind Intel hired Raja Koduri to lead this little project and the chip architecture has similarities to Radeon's GCN.
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/microb
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:54:45 No.103909035
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:55:16 No.103909045
>>103909009
a ton of nvidia news dropped today so shills on both sides are working overtime
a ton of nvidia news dropped today so shills on both sides are working overtime
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:56:18 No.103909058
>>103908968
Anywhere, Amazon
They’re all the same, get the color you like from a remotely reputable brand
Despite sounding like and absolutely being Chinese nonsense, asiahorse is a common choice for a set of basic cable extensions
They’re just sleeved extensions, usually they come with cable combs, just so the visible portion of your cable management looks pretty
Anywhere, Amazon
They’re all the same, get the color you like from a remotely reputable brand
Despite sounding like and absolutely being Chinese nonsense, asiahorse is a common choice for a set of basic cable extensions
They’re just sleeved extensions, usually they come with cable combs, just so the visible portion of your cable management looks pretty
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:56:33 No.103909060
>>103908983
It's a 3700x and it's a 850w flex, which is weird as I said I thought I went with the 1000w, but ah well.
I just want to go all out for once, I know it'll be front heavy, I know I'll probably get gigga cucked by some major breakthrough in the 6000 series etc, but I just want something that doesn't bother me in my day to day.
If I was doing pure web browsing I have a cool Intel 7700k/RX550(?) Linux machine behind me which I'd be happy with, but when I do play those intense games or any VR, I get VRAPED by my 8GB of VRAM
It's a 3700x and it's a 850w flex, which is weird as I said I thought I went with the 1000w, but ah well.
I just want to go all out for once, I know it'll be front heavy, I know I'll probably get gigga cucked by some major breakthrough in the 6000 series etc, but I just want something that doesn't bother me in my day to day.
If I was doing pure web browsing I have a cool Intel 7700k/RX550(?) Linux machine behind me which I'd be happy with, but when I do play those intense games or any VR, I get VRAPED by my 8GB of VRAM
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:56:44 No.103909062
>>103909004
jensen aint gonna give you an exclusive interview lil bro
jensen aint gonna give you an exclusive interview lil bro
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)16:57:30 No.103909072
>>103908917
This was insightful, anon. Thank you if you've made it over to this new thread. I do have an X870E board to go with my 9800X3D, so the topology fits. Not sure I want to deal with getting 6400mhz to work, so I guess I'll have to decide if I want to try for really tuned 6000mhz or 6200mhz, if this 7950X3D chart is anything to go by for 9000 series.
This was insightful, anon. Thank you if you've made it over to this new thread. I do have an X870E board to go with my 9800X3D, so the topology fits. Not sure I want to deal with getting 6400mhz to work, so I guess I'll have to decide if I want to try for really tuned 6000mhz or 6200mhz, if this 7950X3D chart is anything to go by for 9000 series.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:00:46 No.103909112
>>103909060
I mean 850w in theory might work if people were able to get 750w to work with 4090s, but if you don't tweak the power target settings a bit, your system is going to be running the PSU at like 90-95% capacity doing anything stressful. Something you'll need to consider.
I mean 850w in theory might work if people were able to get 750w to work with 4090s, but if you don't tweak the power target settings a bit, your system is going to be running the PSU at like 90-95% capacity doing anything stressful. Something you'll need to consider.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:00:47 No.103909114
Based 7900xtx aging like a fine wine and already beating a 4090
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:01:07 No.103909122
>>103909058
Oh, those are what I wanted, I’ve seen then in other cases here and they look much more beautiful than my cables.
Oh, those are what I wanted, I’ve seen then in other cases here and they look much more beautiful than my cables.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:02:36 No.103909136
>>103909058
>>103909122
bad idea, only use the cables that come with your PSU, they're rated specifically for that and have been tested. Chink cables will destroy your shit.
>>103909122
bad idea, only use the cables that come with your PSU, they're rated specifically for that and have been tested. Chink cables will destroy your shit.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:02:56 No.103909140
>>103909112
Yeah I know there's 10% wattage protection but the idea of fretting that it's going to 900w on an 850w PSU that is probably capable of 935w is not ideal.
An underclocked 4090 is probably more in the cards for me then. I just wish the UK market wasn't so AIDSY. Best deal I could find was a Chinese seller for $800~ kek.
Local is more like the fudd "I KNOW WHAT I GOT" market.
Yeah I know there's 10% wattage protection but the idea of fretting that it's going to 900w on an 850w PSU that is probably capable of 935w is not ideal.
An underclocked 4090 is probably more in the cards for me then. I just wish the UK market wasn't so AIDSY. Best deal I could find was a Chinese seller for $800~ kek.
Local is more like the fudd "I KNOW WHAT I GOT" market.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:07:51 No.103909200
i miss EVGA
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:08:43 No.103909212
>>103909136
Shut the fuck up, they’re fucking ugly.
Shut the fuck up, they’re fucking ugly.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:09:29 No.103909217
>>103909212
You should buy the lianli strimmers for maximum RGB
You should buy the lianli strimmers for maximum RGB
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:09:30 No.103909218
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:10:01 No.103909221
i will NEVER buy an amd gaypu
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:10:24 No.103909224
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:11:11 No.103909231
>>103909221
>i will NEVER buy an amd gaypu
This, but i'll also never buy an Nshitia product again. I need Intel to fix their shit so i can become an ARC chad.
>i will NEVER buy an amd gaypu
This, but i'll also never buy an Nshitia product again. I need Intel to fix their shit so i can become an ARC chad.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:11:52 No.103909238
>>103909114
>Posting results of a 2016 synthetic benchmark that says the A770 is the better gaming card than a 3060TI and 3070.
That's what you cope with when you buy a Radeon card.
>Posting results of a 2016 synthetic benchmark that says the A770 is the better gaming card than a 3060TI and 3070.
That's what you cope with when you buy a Radeon card.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:12:37 No.103909246
>>103908936
Yes, the juxtaposition of the shitty walls with the shiny computer, plus the tranime figurine on top, and the happy birthday stitching inside the case glass
Yes, the juxtaposition of the shitty walls with the shiny computer, plus the tranime figurine on top, and the happy birthday stitching inside the case glass
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:12:50 No.103909250
the benchmarks are real and meaningful until nvidia starts losing
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:14:56 No.103909269
>Netherlands
>~500 euro budget
>Mostly play League of legends and also WoW, Elden Ring, Diablo, POE. Hardly ever play new AAA games.
>Dont care about aesthetics
Dont care that much about 1440p gaming just want good frames. Been thinking about getting RX 6600 but its kinda old so not sure. Is it true I should spend more on CPU if I want good frames on league?
>~500 euro budget
>Mostly play League of legends and also WoW, Elden Ring, Diablo, POE. Hardly ever play new AAA games.
>Dont care about aesthetics
Dont care that much about 1440p gaming just want good frames. Been thinking about getting RX 6600 but its kinda old so not sure. Is it true I should spend more on CPU if I want good frames on league?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:15:39 No.103909276
Games aren't running as smoothly as I want them to anymore at 1440p.
Current specs are:
>2600x, x470 mobo
>2070 Super
>24gb 2666mhz RAM
>NVM/SSD drives
>550w PSU
Budget depends on how reasonable it is to get 120+fps @ 1440p.
Here are my thoughts:
1. Get the new 9070XT (assuming the specs are good and the price is around £500)
2. As above + 5700X3D cpu
3. Use the combined price of prior CPU/GPU and get a better GPU
4. Make a new computer
Current specs are:
>2600x, x470 mobo
>2070 Super
>24gb 2666mhz RAM
>NVM/SSD drives
>550w PSU
Budget depends on how reasonable it is to get 120+fps @ 1440p.
Here are my thoughts:
1. Get the new 9070XT (assuming the specs are good and the price is around £500)
2. As above + 5700X3D cpu
3. Use the combined price of prior CPU/GPU and get a better GPU
4. Make a new computer
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:16:11 No.103909283
>1 year and 2 months without having sex
I just can’t take it anymore bros, my life lost it’s colour, I’m on the brink of the abyss
I just can’t take it anymore bros, my life lost it’s colour, I’m on the brink of the abyss
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:17:24 No.103909297
>>103909250
If a benchmark shows an AMD card on top I'm surprised, you can't blame me if I then investigate further and find that it's a lie
If a benchmark shows an AMD card on top I'm surprised, you can't blame me if I then investigate further and find that it's a lie
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:17:33 No.103909299
>>103909250
Time Spy's creators officially stated this benchmark is obsolete for modern GPUs because it causes CPU bottlenecks.
RTX 4090 is the best raster card on more modern, GPU-bound, benchmarks. Even on Vulkan.
Not a single 7900XTX in the top-100. 4K raster test released in 2024.
Time Spy's creators officially stated this benchmark is obsolete for modern GPUs because it causes CPU bottlenecks.
RTX 4090 is the best raster card on more modern, GPU-bound, benchmarks. Even on Vulkan.
Not a single 7900XTX in the top-100. 4K raster test released in 2024.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:17:56 No.103909305
Is there any 80mm case fans or smaller that I can just run through PMW I can squeeze in tight spots on my case?
You know, the little server fans, is there 5v versions for cases?
You know, the little server fans, is there 5v versions for cases?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:18:04 No.103909309
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:21:30 No.103909340
Just bought a 9800x3d and arctic liquid freezer iii 240mm. Thanks for coming to my blog.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:22:32 No.103909347
>>103909309
Cheapest B580 I can find here is 300 euros, which is like 20 more than a RX7600. Is it still better? I heard you need a powerful CPU or its mediocre.
Cheapest B580 I can find here is 300 euros, which is like 20 more than a RX7600. Is it still better? I heard you need a powerful CPU or its mediocre.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:23:00 No.103909351
>>103909140
Be careful with those China sellers, really any seller in general. But I've seen stories of Chinese bitcoin miners basically stripping a ton of shit out of the GPU and then selling it without the buyer knowing.
Be careful with those China sellers, really any seller in general. But I've seen stories of Chinese bitcoin miners basically stripping a ton of shit out of the GPU and then selling it without the buyer knowing.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:24:25 No.103909371
>>103909305
I think bequiet still makes 80/92mm fans, good ones, if you want just generally good fans.
Other than that yeah, any pwm 4 pin 80mm fan, there’s mountains of old aerocool ones still being sold 20 years later
I think bequiet still makes 80/92mm fans, good ones, if you want just generally good fans.
Other than that yeah, any pwm 4 pin 80mm fan, there’s mountains of old aerocool ones still being sold 20 years later
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:24:37 No.103909375
>>103909072
just going for tighter timings at 6000mt/s gets you 90% of the performance improvement already, 6200mt/s if you can do GDM off and CL26-28 is already as good as it gets
just going for tighter timings at 6000mt/s gets you 90% of the performance improvement already, 6200mt/s if you can do GDM off and CL26-28 is already as good as it gets
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:24:41 No.103909377
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:25:21 No.103909385
>>103909347
Even with the driver overhead, yes the B580 is outright better.
Even with the driver overhead, yes the B580 is outright better.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:27:55 No.103909418
>>103909375
Sorry to be so uniformed, but what exactly does GDM do / mean? From googling it I see enabling it seems to help stability at the cost of performance but nobody is saying what the acronym is. Gear Down Mode?
Sorry to be so uniformed, but what exactly does GDM do / mean? From googling it I see enabling it seems to help stability at the cost of performance but nobody is saying what the acronym is. Gear Down Mode?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:29:41 No.103909434
>>103909340
congrats, good purchases anon
congrats, good purchases anon
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:35:18 No.103909481
>>103909377
Except these tests got input from all major GPU designers.
And they rarely get version updates because all the vendor feedback gets applied before the benchmark is available to the public.
Radeon designs outdated GPUs and that's why they perform worse on modern raster tests.
The dual-issue shader structure for RDNA3 isn't even fully utilized in most games.
Radeon GPU designs are so bad, they can't even guarantee full FSR4 support for RDNA3.
>3DMark Steel Nomad was developed with expert input from AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, and the other members of the UL Benchmark Development Program.
https://support.benchmarks.ul.com/support/solutions/articles/44002528058-overview-of-3dmark-steel-nomad
>3DMark Speed Way was developed with expert input from AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, and the other members of the UL Benchmark Development Program.
https://support.benchmarks.ul.com/support/solutions/articles/44002378655-overview-of-3dmark-speed-way-benchmark
The fact that Steel Nomad results line up pretty closely with TechPowerUp's updated GPU test bench results shows it's in tune with real game engines.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gpu-test-system-update-for-2025/2.htm
Except these tests got input from all major GPU designers.
And they rarely get version updates because all the vendor feedback gets applied before the benchmark is available to the public.
Radeon designs outdated GPUs and that's why they perform worse on modern raster tests.
The dual-issue shader structure for RDNA3 isn't even fully utilized in most games.
Radeon GPU designs are so bad, they can't even guarantee full FSR4 support for RDNA3.
>3DMark Steel Nomad was developed with expert input from AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, and the other members of the UL Benchmark Development Program.
https://support.benchmarks.ul.com/s
>3DMark Speed Way was developed with expert input from AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, and the other members of the UL Benchmark Development Program.
https://support.benchmarks.ul.com/s
The fact that Steel Nomad results line up pretty closely with TechPowerUp's updated GPU test bench results shows it's in tune with real game engines.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:36:48 No.103909497
>>103909456
>>103909481
that's crazy so why do radeon gpus outperform their competitors by 10-20% in raster all the time lol
>>103909481
that's crazy so why do radeon gpus outperform their competitors by 10-20% in raster all the time lol
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:38:41 No.103909515
>>103909377
>NVIDIA's latest GPUs are designed to run well on newer 3D game graphics.
>AMD's latest GPUs target ancient (8-9 year old) benchmark performance
How is this NVIDIA's fault?
>NVIDIA's latest GPUs are designed to run well on newer 3D game graphics.
>AMD's latest GPUs target ancient (8-9 year old) benchmark performance
How is this NVIDIA's fault?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:40:19 No.103909533
>>103909418
gear down mode reduces command rate and rounds up odd timings to help stability, it has a performance hit as you said and if possible it's preferable to have it disabled.
it's a double-edged sword, because the more unstable you are without knowing it (since GDM masks timing instabilities) the more performance you lose.
GDM disabled pretty much needs you to have truly stable timings, voltages and the correct ProcODT values (between 25.3 and 48ohms)
gear down mode reduces command rate and rounds up odd timings to help stability, it has a performance hit as you said and if possible it's preferable to have it disabled.
it's a double-edged sword, because the more unstable you are without knowing it (since GDM masks timing instabilities) the more performance you lose.
GDM disabled pretty much needs you to have truly stable timings, voltages and the correct ProcODT values (between 25.3 and 48ohms)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:41:21 No.103909542
>>103909497
It's more on a game-by-game basis, not a rule.
Some game developers optimize PC performance better than others.
Notice how CS2 is on the far end in favor of NVIDIA?
It's because CS2 is a DX11 game that was designed for the PC from the ground-up.
It's also not a coincidence a JP console dev is on the far end of the other scale.
It's more on a game-by-game basis, not a rule.
Some game developers optimize PC performance better than others.
Notice how CS2 is on the far end in favor of NVIDIA?
It's because CS2 is a DX11 game that was designed for the PC from the ground-up.
It's also not a coincidence a JP console dev is on the far end of the other scale.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:42:47 No.103909556
>>103909533
Interesting, I'm waiting for my mobo to have a stable version of it's current BIOS release before I start fucking around with manual timings, but I had never heard of this before just being an EXPO pleb.
Interesting, I'm waiting for my mobo to have a stable version of it's current BIOS release before I start fucking around with manual timings, but I had never heard of this before just being an EXPO pleb.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:43:59 No.103909561
Is 5080 the worst gpu launch? The first 80 class card that cannot beat previous gen top card
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:45:26 No.103909570
>>103909561
The 4090 was quite the beast, the only better generational improvement came from the 1080Ti.
But the 5080 is underwhelming.
The 4090 was quite the beast, the only better generational improvement came from the 1080Ti.
But the 5080 is underwhelming.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:46:58 No.103909582
mostly play multiplayer games with only the occasional AAA title and i dont mind turning graphics down to medium
any glaring improvements to be made? (besides a 5090titansuperxXx obviously)
any glaring improvements to be made? (besides a 5090titansuperxXx obviously)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:48:13 No.103909592
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:50:16 No.103909611
I plan to stagger my PC upgrade by buying a 5070 ti to replace my 1060 but I'll be keeping my i7 8700K for the time being.
Good idea or no? I heard my CPU will be a bottleneck but by how much? I still plan to replace the CPU eventually.
Good idea or no? I heard my CPU will be a bottleneck but by how much? I still plan to replace the CPU eventually.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:50:33 No.103909613
>>103909592
Since when did API matter to people who care so much about Time Spy and Fire Strike?
Those are old DX11 synthetic benchmarks.
Since when did API matter to people who care so much about Time Spy and Fire Strike?
Those are old DX11 synthetic benchmarks.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:51:13 No.103909624
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:54:00 No.103909636
>>103909611
Should be fine, I'm seeing people say an 8700k is about a 20% drop in frames with a 4090 vs using something more modern. I'll be doing the same with a 12700k and 5090.
Should be fine, I'm seeing people say an 8700k is about a 20% drop in frames with a 4090 vs using something more modern. I'll be doing the same with a 12700k and 5090.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)17:54:55 No.103909649
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:00:50 No.103909729
>>103909649
You mean the ASUS® ROG Astral RTX™ 4080 Ti 16GB GDDR7 Edition
You mean the ASUS® ROG Astral RTX™ 4080 Ti 16GB GDDR7 Edition
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:04:22 No.103909761
What would you rather have for an extreme long-term system /pcbg/?
Used EVGA G2 1300W + spare?
Some modern 1200W unit?
I had bought an evga G2 because it was $90, come to find out it's about the best thing for my application (need a large 5V rail) but it was used, likely mined on for a year or 2 max judging from warranty.
I can get a modern 1200W unit with a similarly large rail, but it would be $250
I'm legit worried that by the time I have issues with the power supply I won't be able to find an exact replacement as I will be using custom cables. To buy 2 modern PSUs would be $500 but an extra G2 is $90.
Used EVGA G2 1300W + spare?
Some modern 1200W unit?
I had bought an evga G2 because it was $90, come to find out it's about the best thing for my application (need a large 5V rail) but it was used, likely mined on for a year or 2 max judging from warranty.
I can get a modern 1200W unit with a similarly large rail, but it would be $250
I'm legit worried that by the time I have issues with the power supply I won't be able to find an exact replacement as I will be using custom cables. To buy 2 modern PSUs would be $500 but an extra G2 is $90.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:04:26 No.103909762
>>103909582
At least get an 8core CPU
At least get an 8core CPU
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:04:53 No.103909769
>>103909561
I have a bad feeling about the 5080 and 5070, imo the 5080 will barely be better than a 4080super and the 5070 will probably be a 4070 super at best. I just don't see massive gains while staying in the same node possible especially when the die size is not increasing significantly.
I have a bad feeling about the 5080 and 5070, imo the 5080 will barely be better than a 4080super and the 5070 will probably be a 4070 super at best. I just don't see massive gains while staying in the same node possible especially when the die size is not increasing significantly.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:09:16 No.103909825
>>103909762
is a 7700x worth $100 more when i could get a 4070 for that price increase?
my ideal is a 7800x3d but their price is fucked up right now
is a 7700x worth $100 more when i could get a 4070 for that price increase?
my ideal is a 7800x3d but their price is fucked up right now
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:12:19 No.103909862
>>103909761
I'm not sure if PSU warranties are transferable, even EVGA's.
All of EVGA's new PSUs only have a three-year warranty because they're in the process of permanently shutting down.
Hopefully, the EVGA PSU should only kill itself if there's any fault.
You're buying a working used PSU so it's ahead of the reliability bathtub curve.
I'm not sure if PSU warranties are transferable, even EVGA's.
All of EVGA's new PSUs only have a three-year warranty because they're in the process of permanently shutting down.
Hopefully, the EVGA PSU should only kill itself if there's any fault.
You're buying a working used PSU so it's ahead of the reliability bathtub curve.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:12:23 No.103909864
>>103909825
Get a used one
Get a used one
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:14:49 No.103909894
>>103909864
im too paranoid to buy used electronics and i hate potentially having to deal with return disputes and scams and shit
im too paranoid to buy used electronics and i hate potentially having to deal with return disputes and scams and shit
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:17:38 No.103909928
>>103909894
Well, then get the better GPU
Well, then get the better GPU
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:18:11 No.103909935
>>103909825
7700X CPU isn't worth buying over a 7600X for strictly gaming purposes.
>Muh 2 cores
Single-threaded performance is more impactful, and by the time the 7600X's single-core boost & IPC aren't good enough, the 7700X is going to age just as badly.
For strictly gaming CPUs, it's between the 7600X and 9800X3D.
13600/14600K if you are a good CPU & memory overclocker, but it's a completely dead socket as these OC'd chips can match an overclocked 14900KS' gaming performance.
7700X CPU isn't worth buying over a 7600X for strictly gaming purposes.
>Muh 2 cores
Single-threaded performance is more impactful, and by the time the 7600X's single-core boost & IPC aren't good enough, the 7700X is going to age just as badly.
For strictly gaming CPUs, it's between the 7600X and 9800X3D.
13600/14600K if you are a good CPU & memory overclocker, but it's a completely dead socket as these OC'd chips can match an overclocked 14900KS' gaming performance.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:20:37 No.103909967
is it me or does there seem to be little reason to upgrade from a 5600 to AM5?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:23:35 No.103910002
>>103909935
yea, strictly gaming
might just start on the 7600x and then upgrade to whatever the last x3d chip is on am5 down the road
yea, strictly gaming
might just start on the 7600x and then upgrade to whatever the last x3d chip is on am5 down the road
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:24:25 No.103910008
>>103909967
No reason to upgrade if it isn't bottlenecking your system performance.
The longer you wait to buy into AM5, the platform will be more mature with better CPU, memory & motherboard deals.
No reason to upgrade if it isn't bottlenecking your system performance.
The longer you wait to buy into AM5, the platform will be more mature with better CPU, memory & motherboard deals.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:26:44 No.103910021
>>103909533
>gear down mode reduces command rate and rounds up odd timings to help stability
the second is a consequence of the first
GDM doesn't "correct" or "mask" anything, i've seen this mentioned a lot and it's not true
1T > 1T GDM > 2T
>between 25.3 and 48ohms
you sure this is still true for AM5?
>gear down mode reduces command rate and rounds up odd timings to help stability
the second is a consequence of the first
GDM doesn't "correct" or "mask" anything, i've seen this mentioned a lot and it's not true
1T > 1T GDM > 2T
>between 25.3 and 48ohms
you sure this is still true for AM5?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:28:57 No.103910036
>>103909769
>5080 is 15% better than 4080 in raster in nvidia cherry picked benchmarks
Yeah 5080 is completely doa, "15"% better for 15% more power draw
>5080 is 15% better than 4080 in raster in nvidia cherry picked benchmarks
Yeah 5080 is completely doa, "15"% better for 15% more power draw
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:32:51 No.103910071
why do fan curves and such favor 'silent' operation most of the time? I have an XFX 6650 and playing God of War 2018 with the default settings it reached 75-80. Just a slight increase to the curve and it's now to 65-70 barely any louder
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:34:30 No.103910093
>>103910036
But it features multi frame gen.
Let's not forget the upgraded Tensor & RT cores that can run RTX neural textures if it ever becomes a thing within the next five years.
>'Then I'll just wait™ five or so years to buy in those features'
>NO, CONSUME NOW!
But it features multi frame gen.
Let's not forget the upgraded Tensor & RT cores that can run RTX neural textures if it ever becomes a thing within the next five years.
>'Then I'll just wait™ five or so years to buy in those features'
>NO, CONSUME NOW!
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:38:22 No.103910130
>>103910021
>GDM doesn't "correct" or "mask" anything
just a gross generalization. masking it's kind of true in a way since it doesn't *actually* run at the timings you think it does, hence why a lot of users end up surprised their performance doesn't hold up with it.
you can" get away" with timings that straight up do not work at all and degrade performance by running GDM enabled
>you sure this is still true for AM5?
absolutely certain
>GDM doesn't "correct" or "mask" anything
just a gross generalization. masking it's kind of true in a way since it doesn't *actually* run at the timings you think it does, hence why a lot of users end up surprised their performance doesn't hold up with it.
you can" get away" with timings that straight up do not work at all and degrade performance by running GDM enabled
>you sure this is still true for AM5?
absolutely certain
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:40:45 No.103910148
Mass replier here. Current storage config. The 3x 8 TB drives are set up for parity in Windows Storage Spaces, meaning single fault tolerant RAID. The 4 TB drive is in one of the flex bays, it probably won't stay there for long. The TiB vs TB thing really bums me out, I'll probably pick up another 8 TB (meaning TiB) HGST drive to make the pool a little bigger.
I probably have another 10 TB of encrypted storage disconnected from the system. Going to need a NAS soon.
I probably have another 10 TB of encrypted storage disconnected from the system. Going to need a NAS soon.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:43:17 No.103910164
>>103910071
Stock fan curves are tuned for normies, their main video card complaints are fan noise and/or coil whine.
I do keep the normie curve for my FE because the sexy Malcom Gutenbug NVIDIA engineer says it's lab tested for optimum sound profile to performance.
Stock fan curves are tuned for normies, their main video card complaints are fan noise and/or coil whine.
I do keep the normie curve for my FE because the sexy Malcom Gutenbug NVIDIA engineer says it's lab tested for optimum sound profile to performance.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:45:43 No.103910187
If I want to order this from Newegg do I need a bot?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:45:53 No.103910188
>>103910130
>you can" get away" with timings that straight up do not work at all and degrade performance by running GDM enabled
you won't degrade performance by running the wrong timings
tRCD 31 with GDM performs exactly the same as tRCD 32 (because you can't send the following read command on an odd cycle, the memory sits idle for that extra cycle no matter what)
this is where i've seen some people get it wrong, they think GDM makes the memory controller ignore what they put in and fix their "bad" timings behind their back, that's never the case
i was going to make a neat chart showing how it works but GIMP crashed so whatever
>absolutely certain
cool
>you can" get away" with timings that straight up do not work at all and degrade performance by running GDM enabled
you won't degrade performance by running the wrong timings
tRCD 31 with GDM performs exactly the same as tRCD 32 (because you can't send the following read command on an odd cycle, the memory sits idle for that extra cycle no matter what)
this is where i've seen some people get it wrong, they think GDM makes the memory controller ignore what they put in and fix their "bad" timings behind their back, that's never the case
i was going to make a neat chart showing how it works but GIMP crashed so whatever
>absolutely certain
cool
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:48:20 No.103910209
>>103910187
multiple stock notifiers + following whatever twitter accounts end up being reliable for upcoming restocks
multiple stock notifiers + following whatever twitter accounts end up being reliable for upcoming restocks
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:52:32 No.103910244
>>103910209
The last time I used a bot was the PS3 clicker (amazon grabber).
The last time I used a bot was the PS3 clicker (amazon grabber).
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)18:58:58 No.103910309
>>103910187
Order suprim lightning 5 fan, or suprim x liquid lightning
Order suprim lightning 5 fan, or suprim x liquid lightning
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:00:59 No.103910320
>>103910148 (me)
>(meaning TiB)
less in TiB*
>>103909967
Depends on the games you're playing. I still run a 5600X but I also the only game I've played that it had problems in was the trash tier TLoU port, and that was only because I played it near launch, before the optimization patches.
https://imgsli.com/MTg2ODY3
For instance, if you're trying to play MH:Wilds, a top tier CPU is almost mandatory, unless you're OK with Frame Generation starting from about 40 FPS.
>>103909276
Drop in 5700X3d
5070 Ti. It's possible that the 9070 XT could be if FSR4 is good and it's priced right
>>103909269
Used 2060 Super
>(meaning TiB)
less in TiB*
>>103909967
Depends on the games you're playing. I still run a 5600X but I also the only game I've played that it had problems in was the trash tier TLoU port, and that was only because I played it near launch, before the optimization patches.
https://imgsli.com/MTg2ODY3
For instance, if you're trying to play MH:Wilds, a top tier CPU is almost mandatory, unless you're OK with Frame Generation starting from about 40 FPS.
>>103909276
Drop in 5700X3d
5070 Ti. It's possible that the 9070 XT could be if FSR4 is good and it's priced right
>>103909269
Used 2060 Super
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:02:26 No.103910328
>>103910309
Are you talking about 4090's? Cause the only liquid one is the one I posted, not counting the one with just a water block.
Are you talking about 4090's? Cause the only liquid one is the one I posted, not counting the one with just a water block.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:07:30 No.103910369
>>103910188
>you won't degrade performance by running the wrong timings
you can very much degrade performance with bad timings.
tRRDS/L/tFAW notably will reduce your bandwidth a ton if you set them poorly, despite appearing stable in stress tests. same for too low SCLs, tRAS, tRTP etc.
>you won't degrade performance by running the wrong timings
you can very much degrade performance with bad timings.
tRRDS/L/tFAW notably will reduce your bandwidth a ton if you set them poorly, despite appearing stable in stress tests. same for too low SCLs, tRAS, tRTP etc.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:08:51 No.103910384
>>103910369
>tRRDS/L/tFAW notably will reduce your bandwidth a ton if you set them poorly
of course but that has nothing to do with GDM
>same for too low SCLs, tRAS, tRTP etc
no such thing as "too low"
see, you've been listening too much to schizos on OC forums
tighter is always better
>tRRDS/L/tFAW notably will reduce your bandwidth a ton if you set them poorly
of course but that has nothing to do with GDM
>same for too low SCLs, tRAS, tRTP etc
no such thing as "too low"
see, you've been listening too much to schizos on OC forums
tighter is always better
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:11:42 No.103910415
>>103910187
I would not buy AIO video cards unless the manufacturer sold replacement coolers like EVGA used to.
I would not buy AIO video cards unless the manufacturer sold replacement coolers like EVGA used to.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:12:18 No.103910418
>>103909283
You need to respect yourself before a girl will respect you. Get fit, take up hobbies outside of gaming/PC, get that better job you've been wanting, etc. Use a testosterone booster if you need a little motivation in the beginning. You'll get back in the pink bro
>>103908990
Unlike AMDrones with their delusions, most Nvidia enjoyers would like Radeon to git gud. I'd have another option, rather that just having to buy Nvidia by default. You're not going to see any meltdowns around here if RDNA4 turns out to be good
>>103908858
I think the 4070 was better on launch relative to the 5070. The 4070 could play every RT game on the market quite well, while the 5070 will be struggling with a lot of the Unreal RT games and of course PT is basically off the table, as it's too demanding. If DLSS4 is good enough that 1440p Balanced becomes like 1440p Quality, it'll be better, but still not quite good enough. The real benchmark is whether or not it can reasonably play Cyberpunk 2077 with PT at 1440p with decent image quality
You need to respect yourself before a girl will respect you. Get fit, take up hobbies outside of gaming/PC, get that better job you've been wanting, etc. Use a testosterone booster if you need a little motivation in the beginning. You'll get back in the pink bro
>>103908990
Unlike AMDrones with their delusions, most Nvidia enjoyers would like Radeon to git gud. I'd have another option, rather that just having to buy Nvidia by default. You're not going to see any meltdowns around here if RDNA4 turns out to be good
>>103908858
I think the 4070 was better on launch relative to the 5070. The 4070 could play every RT game on the market quite well, while the 5070 will be struggling with a lot of the Unreal RT games and of course PT is basically off the table, as it's too demanding. If DLSS4 is good enough that 1440p Balanced becomes like 1440p Quality, it'll be better, but still not quite good enough. The real benchmark is whether or not it can reasonably play Cyberpunk 2077 with PT at 1440p with decent image quality
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:12:56 No.103910426
I haven't built a new PC since 2017. Is NewEgg still a good place to buy stuff? Or should I just stick with Amazon?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:13:10 No.103910431
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bzhyxg
First boot after transferring to a new case was no issue but I forgot the m.2 drive disables the sata ports I had my ssd and hdd on. I moved the drives to sata 0 and 2 under the gpu where I had them before but now it wont boot. The lights dim a bit when I plug in the power and flip the switch but power button and jumper don't work.
First boot after transferring to a new case was no issue but I forgot the m.2 drive disables the sata ports I had my ssd and hdd on. I moved the drives to sata 0 and 2 under the gpu where I had them before but now it wont boot. The lights dim a bit when I plug in the power and flip the switch but power button and jumper don't work.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:14:49 No.103910448
>>103910415
So you would buy the water block version and add on your own. Great there is a card for you and one for me who doesn't feel like doing all that.
So you would buy the water block version and add on your own. Great there is a card for you and one for me who doesn't feel like doing all that.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:15:32 No.103910452
>>103910384
>of course but that has nothing to do with GDM
yeah, sure
>listening too much to schizos on OC forums
>tighter is always better
did you test this yourself? because I did and setting all of the timings I've mentioned too low always resulted in an obvious performance degradation in benches (GB3 memory, Karhu, Clam and sometimes even AIDA fwiw)
>of course but that has nothing to do with GDM
yeah, sure
>listening too much to schizos on OC forums
>tighter is always better
did you test this yourself? because I did and setting all of the timings I've mentioned too low always resulted in an obvious performance degradation in benches (GB3 memory, Karhu, Clam and sometimes even AIDA fwiw)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:16:02 No.103910460
>>103910320
huh i wasnt expecting mh wilds to be so demanding. whats a recommended cpu for it?
huh i wasnt expecting mh wilds to be so demanding. whats a recommended cpu for it?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:16:10 No.103910463
How many grams of paste is the usual per cpu application?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:18:12 No.103910486
>>103910460
The best you can get
The best you can get
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:19:23 No.103910499
>>103910463
No one measures it by the grams. You got multiple CPU's then you can buy the bigger tube. It doesn't take much. One tube (in the smallest size) is usually enough for multiple applications.
No one measures it by the grams. You got multiple CPU's then you can buy the bigger tube. It doesn't take much. One tube (in the smallest size) is usually enough for multiple applications.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:20:26 No.103910512
>>103910486
thats absolutely ridiculous
thats absolutely ridiculous
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:20:40 No.103910515
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:22:34 No.103910541
>>103910515
GameGPU didn't have one yet, shithead AMDrone
GameGPU didn't have one yet, shithead AMDrone
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:24:18 No.103910556
>>103910452
>did you test this yourself?
yes
SCLs at 4/4 is faster (by like 200 MB/s) in AIDA and slower in literally every real world scenario (browser benchmarks, game benchmarks, factorio, pyprime, etc)
tRAS at 21 or 26 or whatever other rule you can come up with makes no difference (because it's just a lower bound, it will not be able to limit anything)
tRTP lower is always faster (but i can't do those absurdly low numbers on this kit anyway)
don't become a victim, don't stare at AIDA numbers all day or you will become schizophrenic just like them, that test is not real
>I've mentioned too low always resulted in an obvious performance degradation in benches (GB3 memory, Karhu, Clam and sometimes even AIDA fwiw)
you're gonna have to give more details on your platform
i don't know how aggressive DDR5's on-die ECC is (but people were claiming you needed to have "balanced" timings on DDR4, which is retarded)
>did you test this yourself?
yes
SCLs at 4/4 is faster (by like 200 MB/s) in AIDA and slower in literally every real world scenario (browser benchmarks, game benchmarks, factorio, pyprime, etc)
tRAS at 21 or 26 or whatever other rule you can come up with makes no difference (because it's just a lower bound, it will not be able to limit anything)
tRTP lower is always faster (but i can't do those absurdly low numbers on this kit anyway)
don't become a victim, don't stare at AIDA numbers all day or you will become schizophrenic just like them, that test is not real
>I've mentioned too low always resulted in an obvious performance degradation in benches (GB3 memory, Karhu, Clam and sometimes even AIDA fwiw)
you're gonna have to give more details on your platform
i don't know how aggressive DDR5's on-die ECC is (but people were claiming you needed to have "balanced" timings on DDR4, which is retarded)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:25:17 No.103910561
There's practically no perceptible performance difference between JEDEC's theoretical minimum tuned memory timings vs. "tighter is always better" settings.
And you know JEDEC's theoretical minimum nCKs are written to make sense.
And you know JEDEC's theoretical minimum nCKs are written to make sense.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:26:06 No.103910572
i was gung ho on the 5090 but now i'm not so sure. if mfg reviews are bad i might actually wait for next gen
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:26:08 No.103910573
I am in a tough spot due to hardware failure, I now have store credit but the only cards they have are the 4080 super and a random selection of weaker cards.
I'm using a 1080ti which is fine but I do want another modern card. My options are basically 4080 super now or wait for the 5080, 5070ti or even a 9070 but I'm not over excited about the idea of poor raster performance in exchange for ai generation.
Is my best bet just to wait for benchmarks and go from there?
I'm using a 1080ti which is fine but I do want another modern card. My options are basically 4080 super now or wait for the 5080, 5070ti or even a 9070 but I'm not over excited about the idea of poor raster performance in exchange for ai generation.
Is my best bet just to wait for benchmarks and go from there?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:27:34 No.103910589
>>103910541
But that is the top one.
But that is the top one.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:27:35 No.103910590
>>103910556
Oh, this guy kek. He doesn't even own a DDR5 platform and acts like he knows what it's all about.
Oh, this guy kek. He doesn't even own a DDR5 platform and acts like he knows what it's all about.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:27:54 No.103910591
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:28:18 No.103910594
>>103910486
>5600x and 5700x almost identical
guess most games still don't benefit much from more than 6 cores?
>5600x and 5700x almost identical
guess most games still don't benefit much from more than 6 cores?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:28:57 No.103910605
how big was the jump from 900 series to 1000 series i don't remember
30 > 40 aside that was the last time there was a node shrink
30 > 40 aside that was the last time there was a node shrink
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:29:58 No.103910614
>>103910561
beat my score
this is better than stock 5800X3D
>>103910590
half of the timings we're talking about don't even exist on intel
but yes, i asked if he's talking about DDR5, i won't make crazy claims about a memory standard i don't own
beat my score
this is better than stock 5800X3D
>>103910590
half of the timings we're talking about don't even exist on intel
but yes, i asked if he's talking about DDR5, i won't make crazy claims about a memory standard i don't own
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:30:58 No.103910626
>>103910589
>what is time
That's my point. When GameGPU tested the MH:Wilds beta a couple of months ago (whenever it was), they didn't have a 9800X3D. Now they do
>>103910594
Generally no. Muh cores are pointless on average for gaming. You're looking for single core and cache. And a GPU with lite driver overhead
>what is time
That's my point. When GameGPU tested the MH:Wilds beta a couple of months ago (whenever it was), they didn't have a 9800X3D. Now they do
>>103910594
Generally no. Muh cores are pointless on average for gaming. You're looking for single core and cache. And a GPU with lite driver overhead
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:32:19 No.103910643
>>103910614
>beat my score
>DAWNTRAIL
Waste of my storage space.
Funny how you stopped posting AIDA64 system latencies since you started to get mogged by DDR5 tuners.
>beat my score
>DAWNTRAIL
Waste of my storage space.
Funny how you stopped posting AIDA64 system latencies since you started to get mogged by DDR5 tuners.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:36:18 No.103910686
>>103910643
i'm sure a 14700K could do it at stock
but i think i live rent free in your head because i have no idea what you're talking about, i haven't posted anything memory-related in /pcbg/ for months
i'm sure a 14700K could do it at stock
but i think i live rent free in your head because i have no idea what you're talking about, i haven't posted anything memory-related in /pcbg/ for months
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:37:40 No.103910708
>>103910686
There's only one coping faggot with a 5800X that can't stably run a tuned DDR4 above 3800MT/s in these threads.
There's only one coping faggot with a 5800X that can't stably run a tuned DDR4 above 3800MT/s in these threads.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:38:43 No.103910727
>>103910708
oh this was december
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103556825/#103560680
lmao
and you're still mad
oh this was december
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/10
lmao
and you're still mad
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:39:42 No.103910736
>>103910727
>don't stare at AIDA numbers all day or you will become schizophrenic just like them, that test is not real
I accept your concession.
>don't stare at AIDA numbers all day or you will become schizophrenic just like them, that test is not real
I accept your concession.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:41:29 No.103910764
>>103910556
>more details on your platform
Zen5, pic related
>don't stare at AIDA numbers all day
I know aida is meaningless, but the others I've mentioned show better memory scaling
>you will become schizophrenic just like them
it's just for fun, I've been lucky to have a non-shitty kit for once so I can somewhat push things
getting Micron E-die instead of B-die on my previous system was way less fun
>>103910590
how is your ram not erroring the fuck out at 58c?
have to keep mine under 45c otherwise it starts giving up on life
respect the 24h hustle though
>more details on your platform
Zen5, pic related
>don't stare at AIDA numbers all day
I know aida is meaningless, but the others I've mentioned show better memory scaling
>you will become schizophrenic just like them
it's just for fun, I've been lucky to have a non-shitty kit for once so I can somewhat push things
getting Micron E-die instead of B-die on my previous system was way less fun
>>103910590
how is your ram not erroring the fuck out at 58c?
have to keep mine under 45c otherwise it starts giving up on life
respect the 24h hustle though
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:47:21 No.103910837
>>103910764
FYI, that DDR4 coper is proud of reducing his memory latency from 58ns to 55.1, he's all talk no substance.
FYI, that DDR4 coper is proud of reducing his memory latency from 58ns to 55.1, he's all talk no substance.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:47:32 No.103910840
>>103909276
Get the 5700X3D and 2 sticks of 16GB 3400Mhz DDR4 instead of the RAM combo you are currently running, that alone should net you a decent gain.
Only then I would consider a new GPU
Get the 5700X3D and 2 sticks of 16GB 3400Mhz DDR4 instead of the RAM combo you are currently running, that alone should net you a decent gain.
Only then I would consider a new GPU
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:49:27 No.103910867
>>103910573
Will the store expire your in store credit?
Will the store expire your in store credit?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:51:32 No.103910882
>>103910764
>I know aida is meaningless, but the others I've mentioned show better memory scaling
if you've tested it yourself i believe you
i'm talking about shit like this
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-amd-ryzen-ddr4-24-7-memory-stability-thread.1628751/page-366?post_id=28775272#post-28775272
yes it looks faster in AIDA
but it sucks in the real world
probably some IMC scheduling quirk, or it goes into L3 cache when the memory can't keep up
you're in gear 2 so keep in mind the memory controller is going to act differently to a D4/D5 G1 setup, most of those timings are probably measured in IMC cycles and not memory clock cycles
>it's just for fun, I've been lucky to have a non-shitty kit for once so I can somewhat push things
i'm being hyperbolic, i know
>>103910837
post some scores if you want substance
no one cares because it's not a dick measuring contest
>I know aida is meaningless, but the others I've mentioned show better memory scaling
if you've tested it yourself i believe you
i'm talking about shit like this
https://www.overclock.net/threads/o
yes it looks faster in AIDA
but it sucks in the real world
probably some IMC scheduling quirk, or it goes into L3 cache when the memory can't keep up
you're in gear 2 so keep in mind the memory controller is going to act differently to a D4/D5 G1 setup, most of those timings are probably measured in IMC cycles and not memory clock cycles
>it's just for fun, I've been lucky to have a non-shitty kit for once so I can somewhat push things
i'm being hyperbolic, i know
>>103910837
post some scores if you want substance
no one cares because it's not a dick measuring contest
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)19:57:44 No.103910953
>>103910605
900 to 1000 was reasonable jump
30 to 40 was also reasonable jump
20 series, 30 series, 50 series are all skip gens
900 to 1000 was reasonable jump
30 to 40 was also reasonable jump
20 series, 30 series, 50 series are all skip gens
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:10:02 No.103911075
I'm building a piece of shit secondary rig for PS4-era games out of whatever dirt cheap parts I can scrape together.
In that context, is it really such a bad idea to buy a trash-tier no-name PSU from ebay? A good one would literally cost more than thanthe CPU+RAM+mobo+cooler bundle I went with.
The system will never be let unattended under load (but might be unattended at idle or in sleep), and I don't really care if it dies in a few years.
In that context, is it really such a bad idea to buy a trash-tier no-name PSU from ebay? A good one would literally cost more than thanthe CPU+RAM+mobo+cooler bundle I went with.
The system will never be let unattended under load (but might be unattended at idle or in sleep), and I don't really care if it dies in a few years.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:11:28 No.103911092
>>103910431
Psu works. It has to be a bad mobo.
Psu works. It has to be a bad mobo.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:12:56 No.103911111
how does a b580 perform with 7600x
people are only testing it with extremely low end and high end cpus to point out the overhead issue when figuring out exactly where it becomes an issue is whats actually important
people are only testing it with extremely low end and high end cpus to point out the overhead issue when figuring out exactly where it becomes an issue is whats actually important
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:14:01 No.103911121
Does Amazon accept returned cases if I've already built in it?
My GPU is running at 89c under full load
My GPU is running at 89c under full load
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:15:08 No.103911134
>>103911111
wasted
wasted
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:15:58 No.103911144
>>103910953
20 was overpriced, the 30 series was fucked thanks to nvidia going full jew. They were paying pennies for Samsung's fabs and still released dog shit like the 3070 8gb and the fucking 3080 10gb, if they had put 12gb on the 3070 and 16 on the 3080 then those people would still be good today. The 50 series should at least be good for 30s users to upgrade to and have decent performance uplift, and the 5070 is ok at $550.
20 was overpriced, the 30 series was fucked thanks to nvidia going full jew. They were paying pennies for Samsung's fabs and still released dog shit like the 3070 8gb and the fucking 3080 10gb, if they had put 12gb on the 3070 and 16 on the 3080 then those people would still be good today. The 50 series should at least be good for 30s users to upgrade to and have decent performance uplift, and the 5070 is ok at $550.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:17:48 No.103911163
So what happens if (when?) DLSS Performance with the transformer model looks better than FSR4 Quality?
If it looks better and runs better, wouldn't there be literally no reason to buy RDNA4?
If it looks better and runs better, wouldn't there be literally no reason to buy RDNA4?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:19:52 No.103911185
>>103911163
le epic
le epic
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:20:18 No.103911190
>>103911163
you don't have to torture yourself with either of those "features"
you don't have to torture yourself with either of those "features"
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:21:56 No.103911213
the new dlss4 drivers leaked on chiphell, why the fuck hasnt anyone posted them anywhere else yet? i want to try the new features
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:25:19 No.103911248
>>103911213
because /g/ does not know anything about hardware or software
because /g/ does not know anything about hardware or software
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:43:57 No.103911471
Why is 1080p at 27" considered bad when I have a 40" 1080p and it looks fine on it
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:46:04 No.103911494
>>103911471
How far are you sitting from each of those screens anon?
How far are you sitting from each of those screens anon?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:50:43 No.103911536
>>103911494
Far enough for me to not notice anything wrong
Don't have a 27" but on my current 24" monitor I have little bit more than a leg length
On my TV I think 2 meters I think or so
Been thinking of getting a 27" one because my current 24" one is breaking itself apart
Far enough for me to not notice anything wrong
Don't have a 27" but on my current 24" monitor I have little bit more than a leg length
On my TV I think 2 meters I think or so
Been thinking of getting a 27" one because my current 24" one is breaking itself apart
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:52:56 No.103911561
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:56:16 No.103911595
>>103911213
fsr leaked weeks ago on guru3d for 7900xtx and this board is too busy sucking each others cock and going "RDNA4 ONRY"
fsr leaked weeks ago on guru3d for 7900xtx and this board is too busy sucking each others cock and going "RDNA4 ONRY"
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:57:14 No.103911607
>>103911561
I don't want to go above 1080p because I want 120fps+ at ultra settings in games
I don't want to go above 1080p because I want 120fps+ at ultra settings in games
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)20:58:37 No.103911616
i hope this means i wont have to fight against bots to get a 5090 on the 30th
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:04:05 No.103911680
>>103911121
Sure as long as you disassemble the stuff and repack it with any included accesories like you were going to sell as "Like-New" on Ebay.
Sure as long as you disassemble the stuff and repack it with any included accesories like you were going to sell as "Like-New" on Ebay.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:13:29 No.103911768
>>103911121
What case and GPU?
What case and GPU?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:14:30 No.103911776
>>103911607
you can get that with a 4070 super tho with a 144hz 1440p monitor
you can get that with a 4070 super tho with a 144hz 1440p monitor
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:15:53 No.103911792
>>103911776
Not in 5 years on modern AAA games though. That's why I stay at 1080p, for future-proofing
Not in 5 years on modern AAA games though. That's why I stay at 1080p, for future-proofing
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:17:57 No.103911811
>>103911792
lmao bro...
lmao bro...
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:18:08 No.103911814
>>103909224
That's really nice to watch but who's gonna rotate that card in my case constantly? The rotation seems to be necessary for the cooling on both sides to work properly. I would prefer a card that can cool when stationary as this simplifies things considerably,
That's really nice to watch but who's gonna rotate that card in my case constantly? The rotation seems to be necessary for the cooling on both sides to work properly. I would prefer a card that can cool when stationary as this simplifies things considerably,
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:19:09 No.103911831
>>103911595
Because AMD executives have been saying FSR4 is "kind of" tuned for RDNA4 hardware.
>McAfee: Maybe to talk a little bit about FSR specifically — FSR4 is ML super resolution, and it is built for… as we bring it to market, it will be built for our RDNA 4 architecture.
>RDNA 4 will bring a pretty massive increase in terms of ML [operations] and compute capability in the shader unit itself. So it is kind of fine-tuned for RDNA 4.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2569453/qa-amd-execs-explain-ces-gpu-snub-future-strategy-and-more.html
Because AMD executives have been saying FSR4 is "kind of" tuned for RDNA4 hardware.
>McAfee: Maybe to talk a little bit about FSR specifically — FSR4 is ML super resolution, and it is built for… as we bring it to market, it will be built for our RDNA 4 architecture.
>RDNA 4 will bring a pretty massive increase in terms of ML [operations] and compute capability in the shader unit itself. So it is kind of fine-tuned for RDNA 4.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/256
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:19:23 No.103911833
Actual question here, do people just not see the disgusting shimmer and artifacting from DLSS? Or is it all cope? I like the idea but it just looks horrible to me in practice.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:20:55 No.103911849
>5090 30% better than 4090
>4090 30% better than 4080/s
>4090 15% better than 5080
>5080 10-15% better than 4080/s
>5080 will be 50% worse than 5090
Holy shit 5080 is completely doa card lmao, imagine being unable to outperform previous gen flagship, another card that will rot on the shelves
>4090 30% better than 4080/s
>4090 15% better than 5080
>5080 10-15% better than 4080/s
>5080 will be 50% worse than 5090
Holy shit 5080 is completely doa card lmao, imagine being unable to outperform previous gen flagship, another card that will rot on the shelves
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:21:33 No.103911858
>>103911833
It's cope. Nobody would use DLSS if their GPUs could run native. Nvidia wouldn't waste time and money on DLSS either if they thought could completely exit the gaming market and totally abandon raster performance (they're working on it though!).
It's cope. Nobody would use DLSS if their GPUs could run native. Nvidia wouldn't waste time and money on DLSS either if they thought could completely exit the gaming market and totally abandon raster performance (they're working on it though!).
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:24:11 No.103911883
>>103911831
its all marketing speak for:
>it requires AI cores
which RDNA4&3 have
People stuck on 6950XT wont get it since it lacks AI cores at all
its all marketing speak for:
>it requires AI cores
which RDNA4&3 have
People stuck on 6950XT wont get it since it lacks AI cores at all
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:24:29 No.103911886
>>103911849
The lower bound for 5080 is +15% (RE4 & HFW) whereas the upper bound is +35% (FC6 & Plague Tale Requiem)
The lower bound for 5080 is +15% (RE4 & HFW) whereas the upper bound is +35% (FC6 & Plague Tale Requiem)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:25:26 No.103911896
>>103911849
I've been saying the 5080 is DoA for a week now and people keep coping
I've been saying the 5080 is DoA for a week now and people keep coping
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:28:01 No.103911919
5080 and 9070 xt wouldn't be DOA if they had 24GB of Vram
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:28:42 No.103911927
How much does vram matter for video editing and rendering? Moving up from a 1080 with a 5900X. Will a 4070 Super with 12GB be bottlenecked?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:29:04 No.103911929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DLrTHesMpg
>27" 4K@120Hz RGB Glossy OLED
>Inkjet Printed
>600/250 nit peak/full-field brightness
>82% of Rec. 2020 Gamut Coverage
That's already competitive with current WOLED/QD-OLED. TCL says they want to up the brightness/lifetime more by next year, but if they're successful it won't just be LG with an OLED using a normal pixel-arrangement
>27" 4K@120Hz RGB Glossy OLED
>Inkjet Printed
>600/250 nit peak/full-field brightness
>82% of Rec. 2020 Gamut Coverage
That's already competitive with current WOLED/QD-OLED. TCL says they want to up the brightness/lifetime more by next year, but if they're successful it won't just be LG with an OLED using a normal pixel-arrangement
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:30:44 No.103911948
>>103911883
Ok, cope on champ.
>“By using Machine Learning, we can get better quality. But you need a lot of computational performance to do that."
>"That’s why RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology,” Azor told Quesada (machine translated from Spanish).
>“We may be able to optimize it to work on RDNA3 architecture. And we are, we want to do it, but we have work to do for now.”
Ok, cope on champ.
>“By using Machine Learning, we can get better quality. But you need a lot of computational performance to do that."
>"That’s why RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology,” Azor told Quesada (machine translated from Spanish).
>“We may be able to optimize it to work on RDNA3 architecture. And we are, we want to do it, but we have work to do for now.”
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:32:16 No.103911962
>>103911929
Manufacturing yield will dictate the feasibility of that OLED panel.
Inkjet printed OLED bankrupted JOLED due to poor yields.
Manufacturing yield will dictate the feasibility of that OLED panel.
Inkjet printed OLED bankrupted JOLED due to poor yields.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:33:46 No.103911974
>>103911948
Oh, so they’ll release it for rdna3, huh
Oh, so they’ll release it for rdna3, huh
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:34:02 No.103911976
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:34:56 No.103911987
>>103911962
>Inkjet printed OLED bankrupted JOLED due to poor yields.
I have faith in the souless dystopia that is Chinese Engineering. If they can't do it, no one likely can.
>Inkjet printed OLED bankrupted JOLED due to poor yields.
I have faith in the souless dystopia that is Chinese Engineering. If they can't do it, no one likely can.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:35:03 No.103911988
>>103911919
5080 would be good to go if it had 24gb vram
5080 would be good to go if it had 24gb vram
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:35:15 No.103911990
>>103911976
no its the nfl punter
no its the nfl punter
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:35:24 No.103911992
>>103909221
I'm on the verge of boughting a 9070 XT for my secondary gaming rig with a smaller 1440p display. I use a 4090 for my 32" 4k. It all depends on the reviews. If the card gets close enough to the 4080/4070TiS in gay tracing I rather pay 600 €uros for it than a thousand for some of Envydia's. Simple as. I feel no loyalty whatsoever to overpriced fake framers. If I wanted more fake frames I could buy LSFG for just 7€ on steam.
I'm on the verge of boughting a 9070 XT for my secondary gaming rig with a smaller 1440p display. I use a 4090 for my 32" 4k. It all depends on the reviews. If the card gets close enough to the 4080/4070TiS in gay tracing I rather pay 600 €uros for it than a thousand for some of Envydia's. Simple as. I feel no loyalty whatsoever to overpriced fake framers. If I wanted more fake frames I could buy LSFG for just 7€ on steam.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:35:32 No.103911994
>>103911886
Summary chart from the same leddit post using TPU as source for their 4K FPS numbers
Summary chart from the same leddit post using TPU as source for their 4K FPS numbers
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:36:04 No.103911996
>>103911927
if you have to ask this question you don't need to worry
if you have to ask this question you don't need to worry
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:37:12 No.103912000
>>103911990
Jesus. I'm never toughing anything AMD. What a scam.
Jesus. I'm never toughing anything AMD. What a scam.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:37:57 No.103912007
>>103911927
12GB bottlenecks 1440p gaming, that’s why everything below that is pretty much made for 1080p gaming
12GB bottlenecks 1440p gaming, that’s why everything below that is pretty much made for 1080p gaming
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:40:02 No.103912024
>>103911974
Yeah, a crippled one (with no due date) because
>RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology
AMD exec's words, not mine.
Yeah, a crippled one (with no due date) because
>RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology
AMD exec's words, not mine.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:40:31 No.103912027
>>103912007
>12GB bottlenecks 1440p
lol absolute bullshit, maybe the latest UE5 slop like Stalker or some unoptimized shit
>12GB bottlenecks 1440p
lol absolute bullshit, maybe the latest UE5 slop like Stalker or some unoptimized shit
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:41:52 No.103912040
>>103912027
UE4 actually
UE4 actually
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:42:19 No.103912044
>>103911919
For 1440p you don't need more than 16GB. You don't seriously believe that the 5080 and 9070XT are supposed to be 4k cards, right? This would be ridiculous. Even my 4090 leaves to be desired in 4k.
For 1440p you don't need more than 16GB. You don't seriously believe that the 5080 and 9070XT are supposed to be 4k cards, right? This would be ridiculous. Even my 4090 leaves to be desired in 4k.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:43:01 No.103912050
are amd drivers actually still shit or is that just echoed from 10 years ago
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:43:07 No.103912051
>>103910764
>how is your ram not erroring the fuck out at 58c?
I'm sure you know SPD Hub Temperature sensor reading is close to the PMIC, not the memory chip, so it doesn't say much about the heat dissipation characteristics to the actual heat spreader of the memory modules.
Some kit manufacturers like GSkill deliberately decided not to place any thermal pads on the PMIC to prevent the heat from easily transferring to the memory chips.
A similar problem happened with RTX 30 series cards with GDDR6X memory chips where these card owners replaced stock thermal pads on the memory with "better ones", and ended up significantly increasing their GPU core temperatures.
>how is your ram not erroring the fuck out at 58c?
I'm sure you know SPD Hub Temperature sensor reading is close to the PMIC, not the memory chip, so it doesn't say much about the heat dissipation characteristics to the actual heat spreader of the memory modules.
Some kit manufacturers like GSkill deliberately decided not to place any thermal pads on the PMIC to prevent the heat from easily transferring to the memory chips.
A similar problem happened with RTX 30 series cards with GDDR6X memory chips where these card owners replaced stock thermal pads on the memory with "better ones", and ended up significantly increasing their GPU core temperatures.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:43:22 No.103912053
>>103912040
what CPU? I like how it conveniently doesn't show this, Hogwarts is CPU reliant
what CPU? I like how it conveniently doesn't show this, Hogwarts is CPU reliant
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:47:05 No.103912079
>>103912024
Afmf was also exclusive to rdna3, but they patched it to run on rdna2 later, looks like it’s the same situation this time
Afmf was also exclusive to rdna3, but they patched it to run on rdna2 later, looks like it’s the same situation this time
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:47:09 No.103912080
im going to buy a mugen6 purely because i think the phantom spirit looks ugly as fuck, plus the fans on this i will actually use unlike thermalright fans
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:47:19 No.103912084
>>103910605
Huge, 1070 > 980 Ti, 1060 = 980
>>103910953
RTX 30 was great if you could get it for MSRP
>>103911163
Valid question, as holding image quality constant could mean that Geforce can use a lower internal resolution (much like today where Radeon has to run native vs DLSS Quality or sometimes even Balanced), and therefore Geforce could be faster holding image quality constant. Having said that, I think there might not really be that much difference between the two. If FSR4 is good, I think the main problem for RDNA4 is the install base, in that often better than native DLSS is in 500+ games, whereas Radeon doesn't have any currently. Possible that FSR4 could be a Radeon Settings override in FSR3.1 games, which would help, and it would also help if Radeon offered massively (and I really do mean MASSIVELY) better value in the traditional bar charts. That would at least allow Radeon to run native and Geforce to run DLSS at the same price
Huge, 1070 > 980 Ti, 1060 = 980
>>103910953
RTX 30 was great if you could get it for MSRP
>>103911163
Valid question, as holding image quality constant could mean that Geforce can use a lower internal resolution (much like today where Radeon has to run native vs DLSS Quality or sometimes even Balanced), and therefore Geforce could be faster holding image quality constant. Having said that, I think there might not really be that much difference between the two. If FSR4 is good, I think the main problem for RDNA4 is the install base, in that often better than native DLSS is in 500+ games, whereas Radeon doesn't have any currently. Possible that FSR4 could be a Radeon Settings override in FSR3.1 games, which would help, and it would also help if Radeon offered massively (and I really do mean MASSIVELY) better value in the traditional bar charts. That would at least allow Radeon to run native and Geforce to run DLSS at the same price
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:47:39 No.103912090
>>103912079
AFMF doesn't rely on ML, retard
AFMF doesn't rely on ML, retard
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:50:17 No.103912108
>>103912040
> 90-95fps
> down to 30fps
> even with DLSS and FG.
There are still peepo who think this is acceptable but I require 60fps minimum for smooth gay men. This is not too much to ask for.
> 90-95fps
> down to 30fps
> even with DLSS and FG.
There are still peepo who think this is acceptable but I require 60fps minimum for smooth gay men. This is not too much to ask for.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:50:17 No.103912109
>>103912080
>phantom spirit looks ugly as fuck
wat
get the EVO version
>plus the fans on this i will actually use unlike thermalright fans
wat
the TL-K12 fans are great
>phantom spirit looks ugly as fuck
wat
get the EVO version
>plus the fans on this i will actually use unlike thermalright fans
wat
the TL-K12 fans are great
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:50:21 No.103912110
>>103911190
Moronic
Always better to take whatever resolution you can run and turn it into a higher faux resolution
New games are designed with reconstruction in mind
And as your card ages, no matter how much you overbuy, it'll need reconstruction. RX 6000 and 7000 buyer found this out to their great chagrin
>>103911213
>the new dlss4 drivers leaked on chiphel
brb
>>103911792
Absolutely moronic. Pic related
>>103911595
Source? I strongly doubt FSR4 was in the wild weeks ago
Moronic
Always better to take whatever resolution you can run and turn it into a higher faux resolution
New games are designed with reconstruction in mind
And as your card ages, no matter how much you overbuy, it'll need reconstruction. RX 6000 and 7000 buyer found this out to their great chagrin
>>103911213
>the new dlss4 drivers leaked on chiphel
brb
>>103911792
Absolutely moronic. Pic related
>>103911595
Source? I strongly doubt FSR4 was in the wild weeks ago
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:51:37 No.103912123
>>103912090
Rdna3 has ml capabilities, they just didn’t patch for it yet, explains why they called it some kind of preview version during ces
Rdna3 has ml capabilities, they just didn’t patch for it yet, explains why they called it some kind of preview version during ces
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:53:17 No.103912139
>>103912051
Are you sure that has to do with added heat transfer and not from less pressure on the core from too hard of pads?
Even the 3000 series was using gap filler as opposed to pads.
Other reviewers who test thermal material noticed increased core temps from incompressible pads.
Your theory PMIC increasing the heat load assumes the PMIC generates tons of heat which it doesn't, Gskill likely doesn't put anything on the PMIC because it's largely unnecessary. it would also mean having to add another, different pad because the PMIC is a different z-height compared to the DRAM
Are you sure that has to do with added heat transfer and not from less pressure on the core from too hard of pads?
Even the 3000 series was using gap filler as opposed to pads.
Other reviewers who test thermal material noticed increased core temps from incompressible pads.
Your theory PMIC increasing the heat load assumes the PMIC generates tons of heat which it doesn't, Gskill likely doesn't put anything on the PMIC because it's largely unnecessary. it would also mean having to add another, different pad because the PMIC is a different z-height compared to the DRAM
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:53:40 No.103912142
>>103911833
You're a troll. DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K is usually better than muh native
>>103911858
Never heard of DLDSR have you, Radeonfag
>>103912007
>>103912040
Which country is awake right now with such shitty opinions and a single cherrypick. Australia?
You're a troll. DLSS Quality at 1440p or 4K is usually better than muh native
>>103911858
Never heard of DLDSR have you, Radeonfag
>>103912007
>>103912040
Which country is awake right now with such shitty opinions and a single cherrypick. Australia?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:53:52 No.103912143
>>103912123
>Rdna3 has ml capabilities
You keep trying to skirt around the issue that RDNA3 has less ML capabilities to RDNA4 chips, the set of GPUs RDNA4 is designed to take advantage of.
>Frank Azor: “By using Machine Learning, we can get better quality. But you need a lot of computational performance to do that."
>"That’s why RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology,” Azor told Quesada (machine translated from Spanish).
>David McAfee: FSR4 is ML super resolution, and it is built for… as we bring it to market, it will be built for our RDNA 4 architecture.
Two AMD execs commenting on FSR4.
Cope, cope, cope, motherfucker.
>Rdna3 has ml capabilities
You keep trying to skirt around the issue that RDNA3 has less ML capabilities to RDNA4 chips, the set of GPUs RDNA4 is designed to take advantage of.
>Frank Azor: “By using Machine Learning, we can get better quality. But you need a lot of computational performance to do that."
>"That’s why RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology,” Azor told Quesada (machine translated from Spanish).
>David McAfee: FSR4 is ML super resolution, and it is built for… as we bring it to market, it will be built for our RDNA 4 architecture.
Two AMD execs commenting on FSR4.
Cope, cope, cope, motherfucker.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:55:25 No.103912153
Is the RX 7900 XT the best 500 dollar card? Looking at either that or a 4070 super for 130 more
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:55:55 No.103912157
>>103912153
*for 1440p
*for 1440p
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:56:25 No.103912160
Any good USB wifi adapter recommendations?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:56:39 No.103912163
>>103912153
Just wait for the 5070
Just wait for the 5070
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:57:00 No.103912164
>>103912050
Still shit >>103910626 >>103910320
>>103912123
>Rdna3 has ml capabilities
True but judging by the PS5 Pro's hardware bandwidth bottleneck, it's possible that RX 7000's hardware is insufficient
>>103912153
New gen is here. You'd have to a moron to buy last gen hardware
Still shit >>103910626 >>103910320
>>103912123
>Rdna3 has ml capabilities
True but judging by the PS5 Pro's hardware bandwidth bottleneck, it's possible that RX 7000's hardware is insufficient
>>103912153
New gen is here. You'd have to a moron to buy last gen hardware
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:57:50 No.103912168
>>103912163
I'm not paying for fake frames
I'm not paying for fake frames
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:58:15 No.103912173
>>103912153
where do you even find 7900xt for 500, they didn't went below 600
where do you even find 7900xt for 500, they didn't went below 600
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:58:37 No.103912178
>>103912163
Not a 500 dollar card.
Not a 500 dollar card.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:59:07 No.103912181
![Lossless Scaling： Frame Generation For Every Game - But How Good Is it？ [69k7ZXLK1to]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1736996347244350s.jpg)
>>103912168
You can't escape paying for fake frames
Just depends on whether your fake frames are shit or not
You can't escape paying for fake frames
Just depends on whether your fake frames are shit or not
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:59:11 No.103912182
>>103912173
meant 7800
meant 7800
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)21:59:18 No.103912183
>>103912139
>Are you sure that has to do with added heat transfer and not from less pressure on the core from too hard of pads?
Proper thermal pad measurements within the crypto mining circle, especially for FE cards, were shared all over the internet.
>Your theory PMIC increasing the heat load assumes the PMIC generates tons of heat which it doesn't
You have no idea what you're talking about, DYOR.
GSkill had many DDR5 iterations to add the thermal pads to the PMIC, by this point it's a deliberate thermal design decision for the overall module.
>Are you sure that has to do with added heat transfer and not from less pressure on the core from too hard of pads?
Proper thermal pad measurements within the crypto mining circle, especially for FE cards, were shared all over the internet.
>Your theory PMIC increasing the heat load assumes the PMIC generates tons of heat which it doesn't
You have no idea what you're talking about, DYOR.
GSkill had many DDR5 iterations to add the thermal pads to the PMIC, by this point it's a deliberate thermal design decision for the overall module.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:00:30 No.103912191
Seeing everything in the thread including the new benchmarks
It seems like the leaker yesterday was legit?
AMD is winning this gen.
lol.
lmao even.
It seems like the leaker yesterday was legit?
AMD is winning this gen.
lol.
lmao even.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:00:35 No.103912192
>>103912178
And yet a 4070S for 130 more was being considered as well
And yet a 4070S for 130 more was being considered as well
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:00:36 No.103912193
>>103912181
FSR4 looks best.
FSR4 looks best.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:01:49 No.103912204
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:01:59 No.103912207
>>103912143
He said said that it’s fine tuned for rdna 4, then they’ll fine tune for rdna 3, that’s what he said
Pretty much the same afmf situation
He said said that it’s fine tuned for rdna 4, then they’ll fine tune for rdna 3, that’s what he said
Pretty much the same afmf situation
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:02:37 No.103912210
>>103912192
For 130 more everybody and their tranny sex slave will get a 9070 XT.
For 130 more everybody and their tranny sex slave will get a 9070 XT.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:02:50 No.103912213
>>103912207
>"That’s why RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology,” Azor told Quesada
>"That’s why RDNA4 graphics cards are the only ones that have the power to run FSR 4 technology,” Azor told Quesada
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:02:57 No.103912216
>>103912207
>FSR4 is ML super resolution, and it is built for… as we bring it to market, it will be built for our RDNA 4 architecture.
Grasping at straws like the retard RDNA3 buyer you are.
>FSR4 is ML super resolution, and it is built for… as we bring it to market, it will be built for our RDNA 4 architecture.
Grasping at straws like the retard RDNA3 buyer you are.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:03:01 No.103912219
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:03:47 No.103912226
>>103912193
I'm screencapping your post
That way I can show /pcbg/ that you're a troll who was claiming this before FSR4 even came out every time you post this over the next two years
I'm screencapping your post
That way I can show /pcbg/ that you're a troll who was claiming this before FSR4 even came out every time you post this over the next two years
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:03:59 No.103912228
>>103912210
If people weren't willing to buy RDNA3 at a $100+ discount over Ada, why would they buy RDNA4 with the same discounts?
If people weren't willing to buy RDNA3 at a $100+ discount over Ada, why would they buy RDNA4 with the same discounts?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:05:18 No.103912236
>Dumbass buys RDNA3 video card
>Relies on Lossless Scaling and "RADV" because AMD can't shit out a respectable first-party implementations.
>Copes on 4chan /pcbg/ every, fucking, day.
>Relies on Lossless Scaling and "RADV" because AMD can't shit out a respectable first-party implementations.
>Copes on 4chan /pcbg/ every, fucking, day.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:06:05 No.103912241
>>103912219
>the liar continues trolling /pcbg/
You're the gift that keeps on giving. Think you're going to get FSR4? Or will you have to sell your 7900 XTX at a massive loss like you sold your 6900 XT? Can't even buy a high end Radeon card to try to fix your mistake this time around
>the liar continues trolling /pcbg/
You're the gift that keeps on giving. Think you're going to get FSR4? Or will you have to sell your 7900 XTX at a massive loss like you sold your 6900 XT? Can't even buy a high end Radeon card to try to fix your mistake this time around
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:08:12 No.103912262
>>103912109
everyone has fans that spin counter clockwise
only scythe has clockwise fans so they're counter-rotating airflow when i run them as intake under the gpu
also when i run rear fans it will be counter-rotating with the cpu cooler too, the scythe fans are more useful
scythe fans in my experience have been the best budget noctua fans, not gonna be the coolest, pic related is quieter but in the same review the phantom spirit evo actually runs like a couple degrees cooler, though the mugen6 was on par with the regular phantom spirit at least
fuck it, i know im overspending by like $20 just for it to be quiet but it feels right, i dontl ike how the phantom spirit evo looks either
everyone has fans that spin counter clockwise
only scythe has clockwise fans so they're counter-rotating airflow when i run them as intake under the gpu
also when i run rear fans it will be counter-rotating with the cpu cooler too, the scythe fans are more useful
scythe fans in my experience have been the best budget noctua fans, not gonna be the coolest, pic related is quieter but in the same review the phantom spirit evo actually runs like a couple degrees cooler, though the mugen6 was on par with the regular phantom spirit at least
fuck it, i know im overspending by like $20 just for it to be quiet but it feels right, i dontl ike how the phantom spirit evo looks either
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:08:18 No.103912263
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:09:50 No.103912276
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:12:00 No.103912294
>>103912263
AMD can't even get enough game developer support for Anti-Lag 2, which should be mandatory for their updated FSR4 frame generation.
Still only 3 game support since August 2024.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/adrenalin/radeon-software-anti-lag.html
AMD can't even get enough game developer support for Anti-Lag 2, which should be mandatory for their updated FSR4 frame generation.
Still only 3 game support since August 2024.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/sof
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:12:06 No.103912296
>>103912262
-1.4db but what's the difference in delta T?
-1.4db but what's the difference in delta T?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:12:53 No.103912304
>>103912183
>Proper thermal pad measurements within the crypto mining circle, especially for FE cards, were shared all over the internet.
Even in the video he tries to measure the existing pads, which aren't even pads put a gap filler. Pads are literally the wrong thing to use on FE cards.
>You have no idea what you're talking about
The logical extreme of your rationale would tell us not to pad our GPU memory or VRM because it adds to much heat into the heatsink. Even if both are trivial amounts of heat compared to the main silicon you trying to cool.
>Proper thermal pad measurements within the crypto mining circle, especially for FE cards, were shared all over the internet.
Even in the video he tries to measure the existing pads, which aren't even pads put a gap filler. Pads are literally the wrong thing to use on FE cards.
>You have no idea what you're talking about
The logical extreme of your rationale would tell us not to pad our GPU memory or VRM because it adds to much heat into the heatsink. Even if both are trivial amounts of heat compared to the main silicon you trying to cool.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:13:11 No.103912309
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:14:46 No.103912325
>>103912309
Has to be some CPU bottleneck happening from 4080 upwards since there should be no situation where a 4090 is only ~6% faster than the 4080
Has to be some CPU bottleneck happening from 4080 upwards since there should be no situation where a 4090 is only ~6% faster than the 4080
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:15:03 No.103912331
>>103912228
The expectation is (don't know if justified, only time will tell) that RDNA4 significantly improves ray tracing performance and FSR4 improves image quality over what FSR3.1 shows here: >>103912181
Getting near 4080 or just 4070TiS performance for just 600 bucks is a whole different story than 100 bucks discount for significantly weaker cards, don't you think so?
The expectation is (don't know if justified, only time will tell) that RDNA4 significantly improves ray tracing performance and FSR4 improves image quality over what FSR3.1 shows here: >>103912181
Getting near 4080 or just 4070TiS performance for just 600 bucks is a whole different story than 100 bucks discount for significantly weaker cards, don't you think so?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:17:00 No.103912350
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:18:50 No.103912369
>all this seethe about dlss latency
>forgot that i have a 4090 and cyberpunk 2077
im going to test this once and for all fellas
>forgot that i have a 4090 and cyberpunk 2077
im going to test this once and for all fellas
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:19:30 No.103912372
>>103912304
>Pads are literally the wrong thing to use on FE cards.
Except professional video card repairers do a fine job using thermal pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIUU5ogVHg8
https://youtu.be/wi7MkHv6TKI?t=372
>The logical extreme of your rationale would tell us not to pad our GPU memory or VRM because it adds to much heat into the heatsink.
God, you're that DDR4 poorfag. It's you because you always talk about hypotheticals when the topic is about DDR5.
Shut the fuck up and stay in your poorfag lane if you're unwilling to educate yourself about the subject.
Work on your fucking memory overclock instead of shitting all over this thread.
Your literal sub 4ns latency improvement from XMP is insignificant enough to be a run-time variance on AIDA64 memory latency tests.
>Pads are literally the wrong thing to use on FE cards.
Except professional video card repairers do a fine job using thermal pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIU
https://youtu.be/wi7MkHv6TKI?t=372
>The logical extreme of your rationale would tell us not to pad our GPU memory or VRM because it adds to much heat into the heatsink.
God, you're that DDR4 poorfag. It's you because you always talk about hypotheticals when the topic is about DDR5.
Shut the fuck up and stay in your poorfag lane if you're unwilling to educate yourself about the subject.
Work on your fucking memory overclock instead of shitting all over this thread.
Your literal sub 4ns latency improvement from XMP is insignificant enough to be a run-time variance on AIDA64 memory latency tests.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:20:00 No.103912375
>>103912294
That's a shame and has to get better. I hope that good sales of RDNA4 increase AMD's market share and put pressure on devs. Everybody, Nvidia fanboys included, should be interested in more competition and options.
That's a shame and has to get better. I hope that good sales of RDNA4 increase AMD's market share and put pressure on devs. Everybody, Nvidia fanboys included, should be interested in more competition and options.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:21:17 No.103912387
>>103912296
like 2C, i should prob look at some other reviews before pulling the trigger but im also very biased since im also coming from a fuma2 on an older build so i already like the noise profile of scythe fans
mugen 6 shows up twice since the regular mugen6 comes with 1 fan only ($8 cheaper so just gonna go for the dual fan since i can always use it as a decent case fan)
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/air-cooling/scythe-mugen-6-and-mugen-6-black-edition-review/2
like 2C, i should prob look at some other reviews before pulling the trigger but im also very biased since im also coming from a fuma2 on an older build so i already like the noise profile of scythe fans
mugen 6 shows up twice since the regular mugen6 comes with 1 fan only ($8 cheaper so just gonna go for the dual fan since i can always use it as a decent case fan)
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:21:25 No.103912389
>>103912350
You lost and your lying can't save you
How do you even manage to look at your screen with such shit tier image quality, Radeonfriend?
You lost and your lying can't save you
How do you even manage to look at your screen with such shit tier image quality, Radeonfriend?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:22:49 No.103912405
>>103912369
wait a minute is the latency in those nvidia demos TOTAL system latency? because i'm only getting like 10~15 ms with afterburner's overlay
wait a minute is the latency in those nvidia demos TOTAL system latency? because i'm only getting like 10~15 ms with afterburner's overlay
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:23:12 No.103912407
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:23:17 No.103912408
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:23:31 No.103912413
>>103912296
>>103912387
what i dont get is why fuma3 performs worse
the mugen6 also offers ITX and >42mm RAM compatibility so im surprised the OP doesnt recommend the mugen6 when it recommends fuma3
I guess maybe you might not be able to fit a 2nd fan on an ITX mobo?
>>103912387
what i dont get is why fuma3 performs worse
the mugen6 also offers ITX and >42mm RAM compatibility so im surprised the OP doesnt recommend the mugen6 when it recommends fuma3
I guess maybe you might not be able to fit a 2nd fan on an ITX mobo?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:23:36 No.103912414
>>103912405
Yes, they're total system latency
Yes, they're total system latency
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:24:14 No.103912419
>>103912304
>The logical extreme of your rationale would tell us not to pad our GPU memory or VRM because it adds to much heat into the heatsink.
Also, you think you're being a smart-ass using this line of argument but you're not.
The primary purpose of setting thermal pads on the GPU memory and the VRM is to cool those components.
There is an obvious middle ground to find for the GPU memory chips because a pad with an extremely good heat transfer can end up transfering heat to the GPU core temperature, as proven above.
The primary purpose of the memory module's heat spreaders is to assist the memory chips' heat dissipation, anything that potentially transfers heat from the heat spreader to the memory chip can end up being a net negative.
This is why GSkill still hasn't added a thermal pad to the PMIC.
This is how you critically think, not to argue for the sake of arguing like the loser you are.
>The logical extreme of your rationale would tell us not to pad our GPU memory or VRM because it adds to much heat into the heatsink.
Also, you think you're being a smart-ass using this line of argument but you're not.
The primary purpose of setting thermal pads on the GPU memory and the VRM is to cool those components.
There is an obvious middle ground to find for the GPU memory chips because a pad with an extremely good heat transfer can end up transfering heat to the GPU core temperature, as proven above.
The primary purpose of the memory module's heat spreaders is to assist the memory chips' heat dissipation, anything that potentially transfers heat from the heat spreader to the memory chip can end up being a net negative.
This is why GSkill still hasn't added a thermal pad to the PMIC.
This is how you critically think, not to argue for the sake of arguing like the loser you are.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:24:33 No.103912423
>>103912405
oops
>>103912414
wait then why the fuck is anyone complaining? about that? also im playing it right now and with dlss perf it doesn't feel terrible
oops
>>103912414
wait then why the fuck is anyone complaining? about that? also im playing it right now and with dlss perf it doesn't feel terrible
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:25:35 No.103912432
>>103912423
>wait then why the fuck is anyone complaining?
Because people are retarded and have no idea what they're screaming about except that it aligns with the zeitgeist of NVIDIA BAD
>wait then why the fuck is anyone complaining?
Because people are retarded and have no idea what they're screaming about except that it aligns with the zeitgeist of NVIDIA BAD
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:26:35 No.103912444
>>103912408
The subject was always the trash tier image quality you get at native >>103912142 >>103912389
Seriously, how do you manage to look at your screen? You can't even use RT to fix SSR. Imagine being forced to look at webm related
The subject was always the trash tier image quality you get at native >>103912142 >>103912389
Seriously, how do you manage to look at your screen? You can't even use RT to fix SSR. Imagine being forced to look at webm related
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:26:53 No.103912446
>>103912372
>Except professional video card repairers do a fine job using thermal pads.
Did I say you couldn't?
I just find it idiotic to use pads when the original design uses filler. Would keep people from publishing bullshit like >>103912051
Even "professional" tards can get behind on new tech.
>God, you're that DDR4 poorfag
I accept your concession
>>103912419
>anything that potentially transfers heat from the heat spreader to the memory chip can end up being a net negative.
Same shit for GPUs according to you, it's why you shouldn't cool your memory too well because it may add too much heat to the core.
Wasn't that the point of posting that shit about GPU pads?
>Except professional video card repairers do a fine job using thermal pads.
Did I say you couldn't?
I just find it idiotic to use pads when the original design uses filler. Would keep people from publishing bullshit like >>103912051
Even "professional" tards can get behind on new tech.
>God, you're that DDR4 poorfag
I accept your concession
>>103912419
>anything that potentially transfers heat from the heat spreader to the memory chip can end up being a net negative.
Same shit for GPUs according to you, it's why you shouldn't cool your memory too well because it may add too much heat to the core.
Wasn't that the point of posting that shit about GPU pads?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:26:55 No.103912447
>>103912413
>I guess maybe you might not be able to fit a 2nd fan on an ITX mobo?
I use a PS120 EVO on mITX and had to shift the front fan to the rear otherwise it'd get in the way of the 24-pin cable
>I guess maybe you might not be able to fit a 2nd fan on an ITX mobo?
I use a PS120 EVO on mITX and had to shift the front fan to the rear otherwise it'd get in the way of the 24-pin cable
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:27:50 No.103912454
>all the seething about text being blurry with dlss on when you move around in 2077
>it's actually an intentional effect
LOL
>it's actually an intentional effect
LOL
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:27:51 No.103912455
>>103912446
This is how your tuned DDR4 looks like, a run time variance.
https://youtu.be/r-pMTOcYsbY?t=586
This is how your tuned DDR4 looks like, a run time variance.
https://youtu.be/r-pMTOcYsbY?t=586
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:28:42 No.103912461
>>103912423
Only God knows what all those estrogen cores are doing there, perhaps scanning the system for crimethink?
Only God knows what all those estrogen cores are doing there, perhaps scanning the system for crimethink?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:28:41 No.103912462
>>103912444
I haven’t seen anything worse than DLSS, TAA, FSR and XeSS though
I haven’t seen anything worse than DLSS, TAA, FSR and XeSS though
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:29:40 No.103912468
actually 4x frame gen is going to be fucking insane, i cant believe i didn't just test the game myself sooner kekw
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:31:01 No.103912476
>>103912468
I'd use the minimum amount of framegen to hit your monitor's max refresh rate
Otherwise you'll lower the base frame rate using a larger framegen multiplier
I'd use the minimum amount of framegen to hit your monitor's max refresh rate
Otherwise you'll lower the base frame rate using a larger framegen multiplier
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:31:55 No.103912483
>>103912447
i was tempted to go for mITX again but the AM5 mobo prices were crazy
I thought the NR200 would have made ITX mobos more mainstream/cheaper. Plus SFX. It's not even that small so you pay the ITX/SFX premium for a case that's still almost 20L. Decided to go for SAMA IM01 Pro (closer to 28L though) for my new build for mATX + ATX PSU and less worry about GPU compatibility, it's compatible with everything
ordered it and overpaid the $20 over the PS120 EVO, i'll prob save money in the end since I won't feel the need to replace the fans with quieter ones
I'm FUCKED if whatever GPU i get has coil whine though and no fan noise to drown out the whine
i was tempted to go for mITX again but the AM5 mobo prices were crazy
I thought the NR200 would have made ITX mobos more mainstream/cheaper. Plus SFX. It's not even that small so you pay the ITX/SFX premium for a case that's still almost 20L. Decided to go for SAMA IM01 Pro (closer to 28L though) for my new build for mATX + ATX PSU and less worry about GPU compatibility, it's compatible with everything
ordered it and overpaid the $20 over the PS120 EVO, i'll prob save money in the end since I won't feel the need to replace the fans with quieter ones
I'm FUCKED if whatever GPU i get has coil whine though and no fan noise to drown out the whine
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:32:27 No.103912488
>>103912476
well we'll see if i can even get a 5090. i still think cp2077 looks like shit though, but it's not a blurry smeary mess like people would have you believe...on a 4090 anyway. it probably does look bad on everything else
well we'll see if i can even get a 5090. i still think cp2077 looks like shit though, but it's not a blurry smeary mess like people would have you believe...on a 4090 anyway. it probably does look bad on everything else
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:32:47 No.103912494
>>103912372
>God, you're that DDR4 poorfag
that's definitely not me
but this thread is truly just 5 people circlejerking over pointless shit all day isn't it
i hadn't brought up the topic in months and you start spazzing out over AIDA numbers as if i killed your dog
>It's you because you always talk about hypotheticals when the topic is about DDR5
well yes, do you need a trusted authority to tell you that these two systems are, fundamentally, extremely similar?
>Your literal sub 4ns latency improvement from XMP is insignificant enough to be a run-time variance on AIDA64 memory latency tests
if you're getting that much variance you need to clean up your windows install
>God, you're that DDR4 poorfag
that's definitely not me
but this thread is truly just 5 people circlejerking over pointless shit all day isn't it
i hadn't brought up the topic in months and you start spazzing out over AIDA numbers as if i killed your dog
>It's you because you always talk about hypotheticals when the topic is about DDR5
well yes, do you need a trusted authority to tell you that these two systems are, fundamentally, extremely similar?
>Your literal sub 4ns latency improvement from XMP is insignificant enough to be a run-time variance on AIDA64 memory latency tests
if you're getting that much variance you need to clean up your windows install
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:33:58 No.103912505
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:34:03 No.103912506
>>103912494
>if you're getting that much variance you need to clean up your windows install
Go ahead and tell that to Buildzoid with his clean test bench setup, fucking retard.
I even linked the video showing the run time variance.
>if you're getting that much variance you need to clean up your windows install
Go ahead and tell that to Buildzoid with his clean test bench setup, fucking retard.
I even linked the video showing the run time variance.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:35:22 No.103912521
>>103912505
Everything should look better with the new transformer models for upscaling and frame gen
Everything should look better with the new transformer models for upscaling and frame gen
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:36:04 No.103912528
>>103912505
you just linked me my own screenshot son, and i had motion blur set to HIGH which i just turned off
you just linked me my own screenshot son, and i had motion blur set to HIGH which i just turned off
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:36:53 No.103912533
![Resident Evil 2 - Ray Tracing ON vs OFF Comparison [AvuLb7bY7vo]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1736998613114315s.jpg)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:38:40 No.103912544
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:41:02 No.103912558
Why does my computer take forever (5mins) to boot sometimes (but not every time) with 2x32GB ddr5 6000 (on a 9800x3d)? It doesn't do this if I use 2x8GB (I tried multiple 2x32gb kits and it's the same thing). Should I be worried?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:42:03 No.103912569
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:42:52 No.103912575
>>103912558
Memory training large amounts of RAM takes a long time on AM5
Turn on Memory Context Restore in BIOS
Memory training large amounts of RAM takes a long time on AM5
Turn on Memory Context Restore in BIOS
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:42:55 No.103912577
i still don't get the hype around cp2077's graphics though. it has never wow'd me the way crysis did all those years ago
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:43:02 No.103912578
>>103912558
Your board's bios is buggy and/or wasn't fine tuned to run 2x32gb kits as well as they do 2x16gb or 2x8gb ones
Your board's bios is buggy and/or wasn't fine tuned to run 2x32gb kits as well as they do 2x16gb or 2x8gb ones
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:45:14 No.103912590
>>103912506
he has lots of shit running in the background
i wanted to try and record a few runs but having OBS open in the background increases the latency by 5ns
sort of proves the point, the test is accurate, it's extremely sensitive but it doesn't fluctuate much on a clean install
that's not to say the number means much outside of the test
why do you care so much about this
he has lots of shit running in the background
i wanted to try and record a few runs but having OBS open in the background increases the latency by 5ns
sort of proves the point, the test is accurate, it's extremely sensitive but it doesn't fluctuate much on a clean install
that's not to say the number means much outside of the test
why do you care so much about this
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:48:19 No.103912625
>>103912575
That long though? My 7950x with 2x48gb only takes 60 seconds and is consistent every time. This one is fast sometimes slow other times.
That long though? My 7950x with 2x48gb only takes 60 seconds and is consistent every time. This one is fast sometimes slow other times.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:49:46 No.103912641
>>103912590
>i wanted to try and record a few runs but having OBS open in the background increases the latency by 5ns
So your PC runs worse than your XMP tested latency when you open OBS, nice tuning you got there.
Have some self-awareness.
>i wanted to try and record a few runs but having OBS open in the background increases the latency by 5ns
So your PC runs worse than your XMP tested latency when you open OBS, nice tuning you got there.
Have some self-awareness.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:51:06 No.103912657
>my 9800x3d comes tomorrow
>I dont have any other parts ready or even bought
welp
>I dont have any other parts ready or even bought
welp
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:51:48 No.103912668
![Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered - Ray Tracing ON vs OFF Comparison [nXerm08r69c]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1736999508231373s.jpg)
>>103912569
>all he can do is nitpick the smallest bugs
>just to pretend he didn't get scammed
Remind me, how did you fix the terrible 4K NATIVE image quality in Death Stranding? >>103912142 You can't use DLSS, so you just suffered through it, right?
>all he can do is nitpick the smallest bugs
>just to pretend he didn't get scammed
Remind me, how did you fix the terrible 4K NATIVE image quality in Death Stranding? >>103912142 You can't use DLSS, so you just suffered through it, right?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:53:38 No.103912684
>>103912641
>So your PC runs worse than your XMP tested latency when you open OBS, nice tuning you got there
well duh
it's like being surprised it shows 600ns when you have cinebench running in the background
having more programs competing for memory requests increases latency observed by each program
the idle number is the baseline, it shows how much your latency has improved compared to your old/stock settings (well, not really, because AIDA doesn't catch changes to certain timings at all, but i think this has already been explained to death)
>So your PC runs worse than your XMP tested latency when you open OBS, nice tuning you got there
well duh
it's like being surprised it shows 600ns when you have cinebench running in the background
having more programs competing for memory requests increases latency observed by each program
the idle number is the baseline, it shows how much your latency has improved compared to your old/stock settings (well, not really, because AIDA doesn't catch changes to certain timings at all, but i think this has already been explained to death)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:54:21 No.103912691
latency in tfd with dlss balanced and framegen on
with both off my latency is 30~40 ms and obviously my fps is way lower
with both off my latency is 30~40 ms and obviously my fps is way lower
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:55:00 No.103912700
>>103912684
Okay Mr. Run-Time-Variance.
Okay Mr. Run-Time-Variance.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:55:22 No.103912703
>>103912691
if the tradeoff to mfg is like 1-2 more ms in latency but over 200 more frames, sign me the fuck up
if the tradeoff to mfg is like 1-2 more ms in latency but over 200 more frames, sign me the fuck up
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:56:08 No.103912711
>>103912691
That's frametime not system latency
That's frametime not system latency
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:56:24 No.103912714
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)22:57:06 No.103912716
>>103912700
you still haven't posted any scores
show us something you care about
show us why DDR5 is oh so much better
you still haven't posted any scores
show us something you care about
show us why DDR5 is oh so much better
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:00:06 No.103912747
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:00:42 No.103912753
>>103912716
>1.95x faster memory read, 3.50x faster memory write, 1.92x faster memory copy, +0.7ns slower latency vs. your "tuned" DDR4
Stay in your DDR4 lane, poorfag.
>1.95x faster memory read, 3.50x faster memory write, 1.92x faster memory copy, +0.7ns slower latency vs. your "tuned" DDR4
Stay in your DDR4 lane, poorfag.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:01:43 No.103912764
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:02:26 No.103912772
>>103912753
that's pretty bad for monolithic intel
you should be getting ~45ns on intel
post memtweakit screenshot
that's pretty bad for monolithic intel
you should be getting ~45ns on intel
post memtweakit screenshot
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:03:08 No.103912777
>>103912764
actually kekking out loud
also it was spiking to 70ms with both on, with both off it is consistantly in the 100-200 range
so it's still looking like dlss and fg are a net positive
actually kekking out loud
also it was spiking to 70ms with both on, with both off it is consistantly in the 100-200 range
so it's still looking like dlss and fg are a net positive
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:05:17 No.103912793
>>103912777
60~80 ms with dlss balanced and i cannot tell the difference
you guys are blowing this latency shit out of proportion
60~80 ms with dlss balanced and i cannot tell the difference
you guys are blowing this latency shit out of proportion
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:05:25 No.103912797
>>103912558
I told you not to buy MSI.
I told you not to buy MSI.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:05:53 No.103912798
>>103912772
>that's pretty bad for monolithic intel
>you should be getting ~45ns on intel
This retard doesn't know the physical limitations of a 4-DIMM vs 2-DIMM slot DDR5 board.
Have you heard of this thing called memory trace lengths?
DDR5 Sub-50 ns is possible on 2-DIMMers like ITX and XOC boards, I have a 4-DIMMer.
>post memtweakit screenshot
I don't have to prove shit to someone who doesn't even know what results to expect for boards with different memory trace lengths.
That's with only 1.4V VDD btw, cope and seethe motherfucker.
>that's pretty bad for monolithic intel
>you should be getting ~45ns on intel
This retard doesn't know the physical limitations of a 4-DIMM vs 2-DIMM slot DDR5 board.
Have you heard of this thing called memory trace lengths?
DDR5 Sub-50 ns is possible on 2-DIMMers like ITX and XOC boards, I have a 4-DIMMer.
>post memtweakit screenshot
I don't have to prove shit to someone who doesn't even know what results to expect for boards with different memory trace lengths.
That's with only 1.4V VDD btw, cope and seethe motherfucker.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:06:16 No.103912803
>>103912793
>you guys are blowing this latency shit out of proportion
It's the very loud minority of radeonfags and anti-"fake frames" crowd
>you guys are blowing this latency shit out of proportion
It's the very loud minority of radeonfags and anti-"fake frames" crowd
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:06:24 No.103912806
>>103912558
I thought my shitty asus tuf mobo taking like 15 sec before it shows the asus boot screen was slow
I thought my shitty asus tuf mobo taking like 15 sec before it shows the asus boot screen was slow
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:07:50 No.103912815
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:07:59 No.103912816
>>103911929
wtf it's not fair i just bought the 4K 32" AW32 now it's obsolete
tell me it's 2x the cost of the AW32 so if feel better. I only got the AW32 since it's under $700 now
wtf it's not fair i just bought the 4K 32" AW32 now it's obsolete
tell me it's 2x the cost of the AW32 so if feel better. I only got the AW32 since it's under $700 now
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:08:54 No.103912827
![Dragon's Dogma 2 Path Tracing： It's Real, It Works And Here's How It Looks [UnYOKXS_wuo]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1737000534330342s.jpg)
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:09:38 No.103912836
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:11:01 No.103912848
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:12:53 No.103912869
>>103912798
>DDR5 Sub-50 ns is possible on 2-DIMMers like ITX and XOC boards, I have a 4-DIMMer
you can do it on any board with DDR4
i will leave my judgement for DDR5 to the expert in the room
but just saying, you have a monolithic chip, 56ns is objectively terrible
general rule of thumb for a good overclock:
~65ns on ryzen 1000/2000/3000
~55ns on ryzen 5000/7000/9000
~45ns on 11th gen and above
~35ns on 10th gen and below
main limit on ryzen is FCLK or UCLK, main limit on intel is maximum gear 1 speed
the factorio benchmark will give you a bad score
the dawntrail benchmark will give you a bad score
other MMOs like wow will perform badly
games like cod warzone will show this (but this isn't easy to benchmark)
synthetics like pyprime will show this
you can measure this right now
>DDR5 Sub-50 ns is possible on 2-DIMMers like ITX and XOC boards, I have a 4-DIMMer
you can do it on any board with DDR4
i will leave my judgement for DDR5 to the expert in the room
but just saying, you have a monolithic chip, 56ns is objectively terrible
general rule of thumb for a good overclock:
~65ns on ryzen 1000/2000/3000
~55ns on ryzen 5000/7000/9000
~45ns on 11th gen and above
~35ns on 10th gen and below
main limit on ryzen is FCLK or UCLK, main limit on intel is maximum gear 1 speed
the factorio benchmark will give you a bad score
the dawntrail benchmark will give you a bad score
other MMOs like wow will perform badly
games like cod warzone will show this (but this isn't easy to benchmark)
synthetics like pyprime will show this
you can measure this right now
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:13:47 No.103912881
>>103912815
>Are you using 2x32gb as well?
no just 2x16GB to be fair since i got scared off by how supposedly hard to get DDR5 stable
i fucking hate it since i bet these shit are single-rank RAM too
it's already having a hard time with 2x16GB and i already had 2x16GB DDR4 no issues when I upgraded from AM4
>Are you using 2x32gb as well?
no just 2x16GB to be fair since i got scared off by how supposedly hard to get DDR5 stable
i fucking hate it since i bet these shit are single-rank RAM too
it's already having a hard time with 2x16GB and i already had 2x16GB DDR4 no issues when I upgraded from AM4
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:15:53 No.103912895
>1080p
>only multiplayer comp games with low-medium settings for fps
>and poe/poe2
whats the least expensive cpu/gpu combo that will last me until 2040?
>only multiplayer comp games with low-medium settings for fps
>and poe/poe2
whats the least expensive cpu/gpu combo that will last me until 2040?
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:16:00 No.103912897
One part down. Good night.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:16:57 No.103912904
>>103912881
I get a lot quicker speeds with smaller modules (probably closer to that 15 seconds you mention). I just didn't expect the 2x32 to take up to 5 minutes so it makes me worried something is wrong.
I get a lot quicker speeds with smaller modules (probably closer to that 15 seconds you mention). I just didn't expect the 2x32 to take up to 5 minutes so it makes me worried something is wrong.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:21:06 No.103912940
>>103912869
My memory tuning is 4ns latency within Buildzoid's Intel DDR5 tuning, both on 4-DIMM slot boards while he has a higher VDD @ 1.55V.
Your memory tuning is 4ns within fucking XMP, KEK.
Know your place.
My memory tuning is 4ns latency within Buildzoid's Intel DDR5 tuning, both on 4-DIMM slot boards while he has a higher VDD @ 1.55V.
Your memory tuning is 4ns within fucking XMP, KEK.
Know your place.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:23:17 No.103912958
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:24:18 No.103912970
>>103912958
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Look at him having a meltdown, kek.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Look at him having a meltdown, kek.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:25:21 No.103912982
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:25:33 No.103912986
>>103912869
Tuned ryzen 9000 runs at about 70ns. Expo is about 80ns of latency
The lower bound for those chips is 60ns, and that's only possible using 1.65v vdd on the ram
Tuned ryzen 9000 runs at about 70ns. Expo is about 80ns of latency
The lower bound for those chips is 60ns, and that's only possible using 1.65v vdd on the ram
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:28:07 No.103913011
>>103912986
He thinks he's an expert memory overclocker because he shaved less than 4ns memory latency from his DDR4 XMP.
He didn't even know the impact of different DDR5 boards' memory trace lengths, kek.
He thinks he's an expert memory overclocker because he shaved less than 4ns memory latency from his DDR4 XMP.
He didn't even know the impact of different DDR5 boards' memory trace lengths, kek.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:28:43 No.103913017
>>103912940
>My memory tuning is 4ns latency within Buildzoid's Intel DDR5 tuning
some random B-die i pulled off the internet
>Your memory tuning is 4ns within fucking XMP, KEK
are you doing even worse with XMP? have you touched every single timing in the BIOS? be honest
and don't say it doesn't matter, not unless you have benchmark numbers to back it up
>>103912958
>>103912986
i know there's some weird shit going on with the latest BIOS revisions
>My memory tuning is 4ns latency within Buildzoid's Intel DDR5 tuning
some random B-die i pulled off the internet
>Your memory tuning is 4ns within fucking XMP, KEK
are you doing even worse with XMP? have you touched every single timing in the BIOS? be honest
and don't say it doesn't matter, not unless you have benchmark numbers to back it up
>>103912958
>>103912986
i know there's some weird shit going on with the latest BIOS revisions
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:29:40 No.103913025
>>103913017
That's DDR4 dumbass, find a DDR5 4-DIMM OC with sub 50ns latency.
Imagine being this retarded.
That's DDR4 dumbass, find a DDR5 4-DIMM OC with sub 50ns latency.
Imagine being this retarded.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:31:01 No.103913043
>>103912213
>>103912216
He said that they fine tuned it for rdna4, later they will fine tune it for rdna3
literally his words, so after rdna4 release they will start to fine tune it for rdna3
>>103912216
He said that they fine tuned it for rdna4, later they will fine tune it for rdna3
literally his words, so after rdna4 release they will start to fine tune it for rdna3
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:31:23 No.103913053
>>103913025
>find a DDR5 4-DIMM OC with sub 50ns latency
think i would rather stay on DDR4
the point, your head
dumbass
>find a DDR5 4-DIMM OC with sub 50ns latency
think i would rather stay on DDR4
the point, your head
dumbass
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:34:07 No.103913077
>>103913017
>i know there's some weird shit going on with the latest BIOS revisions
It only affects expo operation afaik
There were zero differences in latency between 1.2.0.2a and 1.2.0.2b for me on my 6200 tuned timings profile
>i know there's some weird shit going on with the latest BIOS revisions
It only affects expo operation afaik
There were zero differences in latency between 1.2.0.2a and 1.2.0.2b for me on my 6200 tuned timings profile
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:36:46 No.103913100
>>103913077
makes sense
XMP/EXPO auto timings have been all over the place since the early days of AM4
especially if you didn't have a kit that was "blessed" by the mobo manufacturer
makes sense
XMP/EXPO auto timings have been all over the place since the early days of AM4
especially if you didn't have a kit that was "blessed" by the mobo manufacturer
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:37:02 No.103913104
>>103913053
So you can't find any 4-DIMM slot DDR5 boards with sub-50ns latency.
I accept your concession.
You think you know way too much for someone who reduced only 4ns memory latency from an XMP preset.
My 1.4V VDD profile is 4ns within Buildzoid's 1.5V VDD Hynix M-die DDR5 tuning.
That is the difference between you and me.
So you can't find any 4-DIMM slot DDR5 boards with sub-50ns latency.
I accept your concession.
You think you know way too much for someone who reduced only 4ns memory latency from an XMP preset.
My 1.4V VDD profile is 4ns within Buildzoid's 1.5V VDD Hynix M-die DDR5 tuning.
That is the difference between you and me.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:40:12 No.103913131
>>103913104
>So you can't find any 4-DIMM slot DDR5 boards with sub-50ns latency
i don't want to buy a DDR5 board
you can have your trillion niggabytes of bandwidth, it doesn't do anything in the real world
i will wait for 12P bartlett lake and buy a nice DDR4 board
if that doesn't pan out i will buy a 9800X3D and pretend main memory doesn't exist
>My 1.4V VDD profile is 4ns within Buildzoid's 1.5V VDD Hynix M-die DDR5 tuning
we are all very proud of you
>So you can't find any 4-DIMM slot DDR5 boards with sub-50ns latency
i don't want to buy a DDR5 board
you can have your trillion niggabytes of bandwidth, it doesn't do anything in the real world
i will wait for 12P bartlett lake and buy a nice DDR4 board
if that doesn't pan out i will buy a 9800X3D and pretend main memory doesn't exist
>My 1.4V VDD profile is 4ns within Buildzoid's 1.5V VDD Hynix M-die DDR5 tuning
we are all very proud of you
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:44:45 No.103913175
>>103913131
>i will wait for 12P bartlett lake
Yeah, wait for Bartlett Lake with no -K SKU (125W lock) in 2025 like the moron you are.
>i will wait for 12P bartlett lake
Yeah, wait for Bartlett Lake with no -K SKU (125W lock) in 2025 like the moron you are.
Anonymous 01/15/25(Wed)23:52:45 No.103913237
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)00:02:42 No.103913317
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)00:36:03 No.103913543
>>103912461
CD Projekt Red is one of the few game devs that optimized game performance for Intel e-cores.
Leaving e-cores enabled runs the system faster compared to leaving it off in this game.
CD Projekt Red is one of the few game devs that optimized game performance for Intel e-cores.
Leaving e-cores enabled runs the system faster compared to leaving it off in this game.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)00:40:06 No.103913567
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)01:27:15 No.103913893
>>103913043
>fine tune it for rdna3
Fine-tuning FSR4 for RDNA3 means changing the algorithm to use fewer AI computing resources.
That's not going to be a like-for-like upscaling feature wrt image quality, no matter how hard you're trying to ignore this.
The AMD execs are saying they need RDNA4's level of AI computing to present the best possible FSR4 implementation.
>fine tune it for rdna3
Fine-tuning FSR4 for RDNA3 means changing the algorithm to use fewer AI computing resources.
That's not going to be a like-for-like upscaling feature wrt image quality, no matter how hard you're trying to ignore this.
The AMD execs are saying they need RDNA4's level of AI computing to present the best possible FSR4 implementation.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)03:24:27 No.103914631
>>103913893
AI models are very often unoptimised and after some time we got to run more and more complex models on lower end hardware, they are developing it to run on rdna 4, after release they’ll dedicate their resources to run on rdna 3
As shrimple as that
AI models are very often unoptimised and after some time we got to run more and more complex models on lower end hardware, they are developing it to run on rdna 4, after release they’ll dedicate their resources to run on rdna 3
As shrimple as that