/pcbg/ - PC Building General
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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q4 2024)
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous: >>103918110
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/inde
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/be
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous: >>103918110
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:27:40 No.103922346
Wait, what exactly do I get out of disabling HT for videogames?
And what about e-cores?
And what about e-cores?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:28:52 No.103922357
>>103922346
In theory better latency and 1% fps at the cost of avg fps and multi score.
In theory better latency and 1% fps at the cost of avg fps and multi score.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:30:48 No.103922374
>>103922357
>multi score
Where you making the correct observation that multi core is really only useful for benchmark bragging to the average user or was that a typo?
>multi score
Where you making the correct observation that multi core is really only useful for benchmark bragging to the average user or was that a typo?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:31:09 No.103922382
>>103922346
better placebo
better placebo
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:31:14 No.103922383
>>103922337
9070 soon
9070 soon
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:32:22 No.103922396
>>103922374
Loss of multi score means loss of anything multi core perf. So your videos render slower for example.
Loss of multi score means loss of anything multi core perf. So your videos render slower for example.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:33:21 No.103922405
Only retards buy brand new high end hardware.
Real chads buy high end from a few years ago and simply live on a delay for 1/2 the cost and none of the bug testing.
Real chads buy high end from a few years ago and simply live on a delay for 1/2 the cost and none of the bug testing.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:34:56 No.103922422
>>103922346
There are some games still running on old engine codes that don't know how to work well with Intel hybrid core CPUs.
The Total War engine is probably one of the more extreme examples.
The more e-cores your Intel CPU has, the less 1%/0.1% lows your system renders on Total War games.
This game doesn't even know how to use Ryzen multi-CCD CPUs.
There are some games still running on old engine codes that don't know how to work well with Intel hybrid core CPUs.
The Total War engine is probably one of the more extreme examples.
The more e-cores your Intel CPU has, the less 1%/0.1% lows your system renders on Total War games.
This game doesn't even know how to use Ryzen multi-CCD CPUs.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:36:33 No.103922440
>>103922405
This is a great value PC building option.
But sometimes it can backfire like the 7800X3D's price spike.
This is a great value PC building option.
But sometimes it can backfire like the 7800X3D's price spike.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:37:34 No.103922450
>>103922422
Wouldn't it be enough to park the ecores?
Wouldn't it be enough to park the ecores?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:37:58 No.103922452
>>103922337
Now that's a better OP pic
Now that's a better OP pic
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:39:22 No.103922461
>>103922450
That works too.
That works too.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:39:26 No.103922463
>>103922405
me with my 12900k I got on sale for $120 new and my RTX 2080ti I bought for $280 used
laughing at every 4060 owner
me with my 12900k I got on sale for $120 new and my RTX 2080ti I bought for $280 used
laughing at every 4060 owner
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:40:39 No.103922471
>>103922337
Imagine the airflow
Imagine the airflow
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:42:15 No.103922481
TO WAIT ON THE IMPENDING 9950X3D OR JUST GET 9950X AT DISCOUNTED PRICE, THAT IS THE QUESTION....
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:43:33 No.103922489
>>103922481
9800X3D mogs both those.
9800X3D mogs both those.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:44:01 No.103922494
>>103922489
I'm not gayming
I'm not gayming
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:46:14 No.103922511
>>103922481
Discounted 9950X for non-gaming.
Discounted 9950X for non-gaming.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:46:23 No.103922513
>>103922450
Should I disable ecores on my 12900k? running windows 10.
Should I disable ecores on my 12900k? running windows 10.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:46:54 No.103922518
I need something with a metric fuck load of cores and single core performance isn’t important, it will be a box with one task and that’s turning wavs into other formats and applying id3 tags
The audio format converter I use can run multiple tracks in parallel with many cores, my 12400f is doing fine but not fast
What’s the solution to a cheap tool of a PC that just has a bajillion cores to convert media on?
Still old ivy bridge xeons and shit?
The audio format converter I use can run multiple tracks in parallel with many cores, my 12400f is doing fine but not fast
What’s the solution to a cheap tool of a PC that just has a bajillion cores to convert media on?
Still old ivy bridge xeons and shit?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:47:31 No.103922524
>>103922405
that was me before I hit 30
after I hit 30 I swapped to high end shit because one day my free time could just go to 0, or I could just randomly die
life is short
that was me before I hit 30
after I hit 30 I swapped to high end shit because one day my free time could just go to 0, or I could just randomly die
life is short
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:47:46 No.103922526
>>103922513
Enable Legacy Game Compatibility Mode in the BIOS like the other anon suggested.
Use the Scroll Lock key to park/unpark the E-Cores with that compatibility feature on.
Enable Legacy Game Compatibility Mode in the BIOS like the other anon suggested.
Use the Scroll Lock key to park/unpark the E-Cores with that compatibility feature on.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:49:54 No.103922540
>>103922337
106W PSU? How does that do anything?
106W PSU? How does that do anything?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:50:11 No.103922548
>>103922518
If you already have a 12th-gen CPU, the least cost upgrade for you will be a 14th Gen i7 or 13th Gen i9 for the all the E-Cores. As long as you are buying new and have pre-updated your BIOS to the latest version before installation you should be fine.
If you already have a 12th-gen CPU, the least cost upgrade for you will be a 14th Gen i7 or 13th Gen i9 for the all the E-Cores. As long as you are buying new and have pre-updated your BIOS to the latest version before installation you should be fine.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:51:17 No.103922554
So I want to get a cpu that I can max out the fps for fps games at 1080p. I have 0 interest in high fidelity graphics, single player titles and 4k or any other resolution.
Is the 9 285k that bad for this?
Is the 9 285k that bad for this?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:52:06 No.103922559
>>103922540
It's reporting the real-time power consumption of the PSU.
Watch the upper right-hand corner of this video.
https://youtu.be/aRr7CaRNbpk?t=1014
It's reporting the real-time power consumption of the PSU.
Watch the upper right-hand corner of this video.
https://youtu.be/aRr7CaRNbpk?t=1014
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:55:55 No.103922593
>>103922526
Interesting. I'll see if I have that option. At a quick look I may need to run a beta Bios for MSI, which I'd rather not.
Interesting. I'll see if I have that option. At a quick look I may need to run a beta Bios for MSI, which I'd rather not.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:56:06 No.103922596
>>103922554
>Is the 9 285k that bad for this?
Yes. Even with the latest Microcode Updates the latency on Arrow Lake makes it ill-suited for gaming compared to Zen 4/5 and Raptor Lake. If you want the absolute best frametimes at 1080p, a 9800X3D when prices come back down to earth in Feb/March will be your best bet as games can fit a lot of their logic simulation into the on-die Vcache which again drastically helps CPU latency and therefore FPS 1%/0.01% Minimums.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/arrow-lake-retested-with-latest-24h2-updates-and-new-bios/
>Is the 9 285k that bad for this?
Yes. Even with the latest Microcode Updates the latency on Arrow Lake makes it ill-suited for gaming compared to Zen 4/5 and Raptor Lake. If you want the absolute best frametimes at 1080p, a 9800X3D when prices come back down to earth in Feb/March will be your best bet as games can fit a lot of their logic simulation into the on-die Vcache which again drastically helps CPU latency and therefore FPS 1%/0.01% Minimums.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:59:23 No.103922624
>>103922554
You need expensive CUDIMM kits to try and match maybe the 5800X3D or 13900K's FPS on CS2 1080p.
The 285K in this char is using only a 6000MT/s XMP kit, Arrow Lake will need at least 7200MT/s to get somewhere.
The associated cost for the gaming performance doesn't make sense.
Don't buy a nice CUDIMM just to pair it on a mid-tier board, btw.
You need expensive CUDIMM kits to try and match maybe the 5800X3D or 13900K's FPS on CS2 1080p.
The 285K in this char is using only a 6000MT/s XMP kit, Arrow Lake will need at least 7200MT/s to get somewhere.
The associated cost for the gaming performance doesn't make sense.
Don't buy a nice CUDIMM just to pair it on a mid-tier board, btw.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:03:07 No.103922651
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:04:31 No.103922664
>>103922651
How is this OP keeping up this new thread streak?
How is this OP keeping up this new thread streak?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:07:39 No.103922686
I love OP
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:07:42 No.103922687
>>103922664
>mentally ill terminally online tranny has the time and autism to camp the thread
shocking!
>mentally ill terminally online tranny has the time and autism to camp the thread
shocking!
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:09:39 No.103922710
>>103922651
anime website
anime website
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:13:22 No.103922745
>>103922664
It could be multiple trannies working together in a group sometimes referred to as a "discord"
It could be multiple trannies working together in a group sometimes referred to as a "discord"
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:14:35 No.103922758
>>103922481
If gaming isn't your primary use the 9950X is objectively superior.
If it is, the 9800X3D is objectively superior.
If gaming isn't your primary use the 9950X is objectively superior.
If it is, the 9800X3D is objectively superior.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:15:35 No.103922773
>>103922524
I just have like 10x as much money at 35 as I did at 25 so the relative value changed.
I just have like 10x as much money at 35 as I did at 25 so the relative value changed.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:17:43 No.103922797
>>103922710
furry website
furry website
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:17:54 No.103922801
>>103922337
I wish my psu had a wattage screen
I wish my psu had a wattage screen
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:19:11 No.103922815
>>103922758
>>103922511
I'm going for it then, just gotta wait on the 50 series results to decide on the GPU.
>>103922511
I'm going for it then, just gotta wait on the 50 series results to decide on the GPU.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:22:54 No.103922843
>>103922596
>>103922624
You are literally the reason this website is still somewhat relevant. It's not so much the advice but the actual depth and perspective.
Much appreciated.
Is there a board you would recommend to pair with something obcene?
>>103922624
You are literally the reason this website is still somewhat relevant. It's not so much the advice but the actual depth and perspective.
Much appreciated.
Is there a board you would recommend to pair with something obcene?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:26:01 No.103922877
>>103922815
What do you need a GPU for if you aren't gaming? Don't tell me it's Aislop because if it is, your money would be way better spent on a project digits machine.
What do you need a GPU for if you aren't gaming? Don't tell me it's Aislop because if it is, your money would be way better spent on a project digits machine.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:26:12 No.103922879
>>103922801
Get a UPS with a digital readout. It'll tell you your current draw, incoming mains voltage, etc.
https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1500AVRLCD3-Intelligent-System-Outlets/dp/B0BCMLLSHL
Get a UPS with a digital readout. It'll tell you your current draw, incoming mains voltage, etc.
https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-C
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:27:08 No.103922893
>>103922481
are you calling $10 off on amazon "discounted?"
are you calling $10 off on amazon "discounted?"
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:27:18 No.103922895
>>103922877
I only gaym on my spare time, definitely not as much as I used to, 9950x doesn't even have a igpu no?
I only gaym on my spare time, definitely not as much as I used to, 9950x doesn't even have a igpu no?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:28:19 No.103922910
>>103922893
no, they discounted them to 569 recently they used to be over 600 I think, they dropped prices about 12-15% across the board
no, they discounted them to 569 recently they used to be over 600 I think, they dropped prices about 12-15% across the board
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:28:59 No.103922917
>>103922337
CPU: Ryzen 5600x
with?
>Intel Arc B570: 290 euros
>RTX 4060: 310 euros
>XT 7600: 280 euros
>XT 7600xt: 350 euros
Which one should I get if I mostly play competitive games instead of newest triple AAA. Also the B580 isnt available here at a reasonable price.
CPU: Ryzen 5600x
with?
>Intel Arc B570: 290 euros
>RTX 4060: 310 euros
>XT 7600: 280 euros
>XT 7600xt: 350 euros
Which one should I get if I mostly play competitive games instead of newest triple AAA. Also the B580 isnt available here at a reasonable price.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:30:29 No.103922935
if i go 64GB DDR5 i should go for 2 sticks right? or 2 kits of 32GB (4 sticks total)? and yes i really need it the 64GB. planning to combine it with 9800X3D.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:30:48 No.103922941
>>103922917
honestly at those prices assuming yhe b570 and b580 aren't complete dog shit upon further testing, then the b570 or b580, the 4060 is getting bested by Intel and the Radeon is obsolete.
honestly at those prices assuming yhe b570 and b580 aren't complete dog shit upon further testing, then the b570 or b580, the 4060 is getting bested by Intel and the Radeon is obsolete.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:31:49 No.103922952
>>103922935
always go 2 sticks, 4 can become unstable plus adding additional crowds the channels (you won't notice the perf diff anyway) but any additional failure point is a big nono.
always go 2 sticks, 4 can become unstable plus adding additional crowds the channels (you won't notice the perf diff anyway) but any additional failure point is a big nono.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:32:01 No.103922954
>>103922935
2 sticks
2 sticks
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:32:21 No.103922960
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:32:40 No.103922965
>>103922879
I have a 900w UPS hooked to a 1200w power supply. How does that work?
I have a 900w UPS hooked to a 1200w power supply. How does that work?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:33:39 No.103922984
>>103922960
I believe they are prepping to drop the 9950x3d but it's gonna be over 600 easy, probably 699 or 750 my guess. And it's not really worth it for me personally. I'd rather use the 9900x at 409 or 9950x at 569
I believe they are prepping to drop the 9950x3d but it's gonna be over 600 easy, probably 699 or 750 my guess. And it's not really worth it for me personally. I'd rather use the 9900x at 409 or 9950x at 569
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:34:11 No.103922990
>>103922895
>9950x doesn't even have a igpu no?
It does have an iGPU. If you're an occasional gamer though, your best bet is probably to look for 3000 or 4000 series midrange card or used.
>9950x doesn't even have a igpu no?
It does have an iGPU. If you're an occasional gamer though, your best bet is probably to look for 3000 or 4000 series midrange card or used.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:34:50 No.103922998
>>103922917
Wait add to that I can get the B580 for 300 euros.
Wait add to that I can get the B580 for 300 euros.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:35:04 No.103923001
>powercolor has the red devil 9070xt page up
Just noticed how close the chip is to the pcie connector, anyone have any idea why? On other GPUs it's pretty far away compared to this one.
Just noticed how close the chip is to the pcie connector, anyone have any idea why? On other GPUs it's pretty far away compared to this one.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:36:01 No.103923008
>>103922965
Say it with me: The rated wattage of a PSU is not how much the system actually draws.
In all likelihood your system at max load is only pulling 500-600w so with a 900w UPS battery capacity that still gives you a few minutes of uptime to safely save and shutdown the PC in a power outage.
Say it with me: The rated wattage of a PSU is not how much the system actually draws.
In all likelihood your system at max load is only pulling 500-600w so with a 900w UPS battery capacity that still gives you a few minutes of uptime to safely save and shutdown the PC in a power outage.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:36:05 No.103923009
>>103922917
4060, the 7600 isn't as good and the Intel GPUs still have driver issues.
4060, the 7600 isn't as good and the Intel GPUs still have driver issues.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:36:42 No.103923016
>>103922998
b580 is the way to go
>>103922990
I was looking at used 4000s I might go that route since gpus get obsolete fast anyway
b580 is the way to go
>>103922990
I was looking at used 4000s I might go that route since gpus get obsolete fast anyway
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:37:42 No.103923026
>>103923008
kek the fact that people don't understand this kills me
kek the fact that people don't understand this kills me
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:38:55 No.103923040
>>103923016
>gpus get obsolete fast anyway
Not really desu. I didn't start feeling the need to upgrade my 1080 until this year because I'm not a 4k shitter and I don't care about most AAA slop. In all honesty I got totally passable performance out of Cyberpunk with it.
>gpus get obsolete fast anyway
Not really desu. I didn't start feeling the need to upgrade my 1080 until this year because I'm not a 4k shitter and I don't care about most AAA slop. In all honesty I got totally passable performance out of Cyberpunk with it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:39:58 No.103923050
>>103922998
don't the intel cards perform worse with older AMD CPU's? HWU did a video on it recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcvvUce6O0Q
don't the intel cards perform worse with older AMD CPU's? HWU did a video on it recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcv
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:41:11 No.103923058
>>103923016
>>103923009
I think I am just going to go with the B580. Honestly its insane that I have to trust the intelkikes that they will fix it eventually. I dont like how they are holding me by the balls even after I purchased the card. If the other options wouldnt be so obsolete already I wouldnt be doing this....
>>103923009
I think I am just going to go with the B580. Honestly its insane that I have to trust the intelkikes that they will fix it eventually. I dont like how they are holding me by the balls even after I purchased the card. If the other options wouldnt be so obsolete already I wouldnt be doing this....
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:41:30 No.103923062
>>103922843
Have some fun with something like the ASRock Z890 Taichi OCF.
Get this kit if you can, there are faster CUDIMMs but I would start with this.
You are not getting value for money btw lol.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/br26Mp/asrock-z890-taichi-ocf-atx-lga1851-motherboard-z890-taichi-ocf
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-48gb-ddr5-8200/p/N82E16820374648
List of boards I would consider (Z890, 2 Memory slot boards).
Two memory slot boards have more favorable memory topology to reduce memory latency.
Arrow Lake needs all the help it can get.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#N=1,2&sort=price&c=170
Have some fun with something like the ASRock Z890 Taichi OCF.
Get this kit if you can, there are faster CUDIMMs but I would start with this.
You are not getting value for money btw lol.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/br
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-48gb
List of boards I would consider (Z890, 2 Memory slot boards).
Two memory slot boards have more favorable memory topology to reduce memory latency.
Arrow Lake needs all the help it can get.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/m
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:42:11 No.103923069
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:43:56 No.103923082
>>103923058
I feel you man. Rn is pretty terrible for the gpu market, at least ram and storage is cheap. CPU and GPU market is fked price wise.
I remember a long time ago when ram was expensive and some factories got rekt and ram was like 140 dollars for 16 gb or some shit.
Sata ssd s used to be like 250 dollars for 512 GB storage now we have pci 4.0 990 pros for 119 dollars for 1 tb.
I feel you man. Rn is pretty terrible for the gpu market, at least ram and storage is cheap. CPU and GPU market is fked price wise.
I remember a long time ago when ram was expensive and some factories got rekt and ram was like 140 dollars for 16 gb or some shit.
Sata ssd s used to be like 250 dollars for 512 GB storage now we have pci 4.0 990 pros for 119 dollars for 1 tb.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:44:15 No.103923085
>>103923001
Other GPUs also have the chip placed close to the connector. I don't know why they did so but my guess it's somethning speed related, cards probably operate faster this way.
Other GPUs also have the chip placed close to the connector. I don't know why they did so but my guess it's somethning speed related, cards probably operate faster this way.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:45:19 No.103923091
>>103923069
I play on 1440p and the 'latest games' always suck for 1-2 after release, because that's how long companies take to unfuck them after premature release. You're playing unfinished, unoptimized garbage if you play sooner than 12 months after release.
I play on 1440p and the 'latest games' always suck for 1-2 after release, because that's how long companies take to unfuck them after premature release. You're playing unfinished, unoptimized garbage if you play sooner than 12 months after release.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:45:54 No.103923097
be honest /g/
is the founders edition a good pick?
i love how it looks and i think their aib partners are becoming increasingly gimmicky
is the founders edition a good pick?
i love how it looks and i think their aib partners are becoming increasingly gimmicky
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:46:07 No.103923101
>>103923008
Why does it show an overload symbol under heavy gaming then? Also Watts are Watts. If I theoretically did use all of my 1200w at the PSU then the wall, ac side, would be pulling slightly more watts due to conversion loss and the rated inefficiency, correct?
Why does it show an overload symbol under heavy gaming then? Also Watts are Watts. If I theoretically did use all of my 1200w at the PSU then the wall, ac side, would be pulling slightly more watts due to conversion loss and the rated inefficiency, correct?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:46:45 No.103923107
>>103923097
they're not bad, they just usually run a little hotter but it looks like they did a good job on their coolers this time around
they're not bad, they just usually run a little hotter but it looks like they did a good job on their coolers this time around
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:47:47 No.103923119
>>103923085
So it's an rdna4 thing, this seems interesting. Hopefully some AMD engineer will explain why they did it after it's officially released.
So it's an rdna4 thing, this seems interesting. Hopefully some AMD engineer will explain why they did it after it's officially released.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:48:07 No.103923121
>>103923101
>theoretically did use all of my 1200w at the PSU then the wall,
what would you be doing to use 1200w at the fucking wall? the cpu power header is rated to like 333 w or some shit and 4090/5090 would use like 500w MAX, that's 850w right there at 105% load.
>theoretically did use all of my 1200w at the PSU then the wall,
what would you be doing to use 1200w at the fucking wall? the cpu power header is rated to like 333 w or some shit and 4090/5090 would use like 500w MAX, that's 850w right there at 105% load.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:48:51 No.103923133
>>103923097
Will be hotter and louder than aib models but if all you care about are looks then they should run fine. Also sometimes FE models are the only ones near MSRP so that's nice too.
Will be hotter and louder than aib models but if all you care about are looks then they should run fine. Also sometimes FE models are the only ones near MSRP so that's nice too.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:51:54 No.103923154
>>103923121
I have a 3090 that pulls 450w and a 12900ks that gets pretty high up there as well. My question is if I'm limited to 900w through my UPS or if that is the max it can produce off of the internal battery. I've seen it overload and it does beep at me when I push very hard.
I have a 3090 that pulls 450w and a 12900ks that gets pretty high up there as well. My question is if I'm limited to 900w through my UPS or if that is the max it can produce off of the internal battery. I've seen it overload and it does beep at me when I push very hard.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:52:36 No.103923161
>>103923154
>3090 that pulls 450w and a 12900ks that gets pretty high up
stop using power hungry shit or get a higher ups
>3090 that pulls 450w and a 12900ks that gets pretty high up
stop using power hungry shit or get a higher ups
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:54:07 No.103923183
>>103923161
Well that's what I thought. I need a bigger UPS which sucks because they get crazy expensive past 900w.
Well that's what I thought. I need a bigger UPS which sucks because they get crazy expensive past 900w.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:54:22 No.103923187
>>103923097
It has a revolutionary cooling. we'll see how well the new cooling fair against traditional 4 slot design
It has a revolutionary cooling. we'll see how well the new cooling fair against traditional 4 slot design
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:55:35 No.103923197
>>103923097
they're a good pick today, yeah
a long time ago the FE cards were more expensive than the AIB cards and came with garbage blower coolers
they're a good pick today, yeah
a long time ago the FE cards were more expensive than the AIB cards and came with garbage blower coolers
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:56:35 No.103923207
>>103923085
>>103923001
is it a monolith chip instead of chiplets? the back of the pcb makes it look like it.
>>103923001
is it a monolith chip instead of chiplets? the back of the pcb makes it look like it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:57:05 No.103923210
>>103923097
We'll have to wait for reviewers to get an idea of the thermals and noise.
FE will not be a better overclocker than AIB variants unless you custom water-cool it.
We'll have to wait for reviewers to get an idea of the thermals and noise.
FE will not be a better overclocker than AIB variants unless you custom water-cool it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:57:45 No.103923216
>>103923207
Yea, rdn4 is monolithic, their chiplet experiment for GPUs was a massive failure that's fucked them for the past 4 years.
Yea, rdn4 is monolithic, their chiplet experiment for GPUs was a massive failure that's fucked them for the past 4 years.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:58:20 No.103923221
>expected a lot of people to be selling their 4090s rn
>instead seeing tons of listings for 4060s/4060tis
well I didn't expect that
From this I can only assume two things:
1. the 4060 is trash and they were waiting to dump it
2. that they all plan on buying the 5070 and believe hook line and sinker that 5070 = 4090
It seems nvidia has already won
>instead seeing tons of listings for 4060s/4060tis
well I didn't expect that
From this I can only assume two things:
1. the 4060 is trash and they were waiting to dump it
2. that they all plan on buying the 5070 and believe hook line and sinker that 5070 = 4090
It seems nvidia has already won
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:59:14 No.103923229
>>103923187
I'm pretty sure the vapor chamber will be doing most of the heavy lifting on the founders cards so as long as there are no issues there it should run fine.
I'm pretty sure the vapor chamber will be doing most of the heavy lifting on the founders cards so as long as there are no issues there it should run fine.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:59:55 No.103923236
>>103923216
cool, I hope we get the return of MPT.
cool, I hope we get the return of MPT.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:00:31 No.103923243
>>103923187
>traditional 4 slot design
ARE YOU HEARING YOURSELF MAN
TRADITIONAL? 4 SLOTS?? NEVER.
Also the others just don't stand a chance. The double blowthrough just gets rid of heat immediately
>traditional 4 slot design
ARE YOU HEARING YOURSELF MAN
TRADITIONAL? 4 SLOTS?? NEVER.
Also the others just don't stand a chance. The double blowthrough just gets rid of heat immediately
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:01:01 No.103923251
>>103923221
>1. the 4060 is trash and they were waiting to dump it
>2. that they all plan on buying the 5070 and believe hook line and sinker that 5070 = 4090
This is literally my normies friend, retard bought a 4060 for like $500 and has been complaining about how he can't run his games in 4k. Now he's selling it and plans to get the 5070 since according to him it's a "steal" at only $550.
>1. the 4060 is trash and they were waiting to dump it
>2. that they all plan on buying the 5070 and believe hook line and sinker that 5070 = 4090
This is literally my normies friend, retard bought a 4060 for like $500 and has been complaining about how he can't run his games in 4k. Now he's selling it and plans to get the 5070 since according to him it's a "steal" at only $550.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:01:12 No.103923254
>Amazon Germany is desperate to sell their Z890 XOC motherboard for 18% off to US customers.
This is wild, lmao. It's not even a bad board.
This is wild, lmao. It's not even a bad board.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:01:35 No.103923259
>>103923183
if your CPU is maxing out your cpu power then it's absolute trash because a 9950x is like 170w tdp and it's one of the more hungrier cpus AMD has, a 9900x is 12c/24t at 120w what the fuck does that shittel CPU use?
if your CPU is maxing out your cpu power then it's absolute trash because a 9950x is like 170w tdp and it's one of the more hungrier cpus AMD has, a 9900x is 12c/24t at 120w what the fuck does that shittel CPU use?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:01:43 No.103923261
>>103923058
I would tell you to wait but I believe both njudea and amdead will price their low end around 350-400 and they might have 8gb of ram still
I would tell you to wait but I believe both njudea and amdead will price their low end around 350-400 and they might have 8gb of ram still
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:02:37 No.103923277
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:02:58 No.103923281
>>103923251
who in the FUCK buys a 4060? friends don't let friends buy 4060s, fucking retard man. God damn. The 60 series is their most profitable cut down shit die they make. Normies get FUCKED.
who in the FUCK buys a 4060? friends don't let friends buy 4060s, fucking retard man. God damn. The 60 series is their most profitable cut down shit die they make. Normies get FUCKED.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:03:35 No.103923290
>>103923154
>I have a 3090 that pulls 450w and a 12900ks that gets pretty high up there as well. My question is if I'm limited to 900w through my UPS or if that is the max it can produce off of the internal battery. I've seen it overload and it does beep at me when I push very hard.
The 3090 only pulls 450W in FurMark which is designed to be a Power Virus Stress Test. In actual games it's more like 330-400W:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-strix-oc/29.html
The 12900KS even in an all-core full load like in Cinebench is only pulling 300-350W:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900ks/19.html
So unless you are running simultaneously synthetic workloads the most your system total real power draw could be would be 650-750W and more likely half that, as you rarely ever 100% load both the CPU & GPU at the same time. So a 900W UPS should be plenty. Are you sure the Beep is even load-related? Mine gives a warning beep whenever it switches over to battery power during a power loss even if it's momentary before going back to mains draw.
>I have a 3090 that pulls 450w and a 12900ks that gets pretty high up there as well. My question is if I'm limited to 900w through my UPS or if that is the max it can produce off of the internal battery. I've seen it overload and it does beep at me when I push very hard.
The 3090 only pulls 450W in FurMark which is designed to be a Power Virus Stress Test. In actual games it's more like 330-400W:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/
The 12900KS even in an all-core full load like in Cinebench is only pulling 300-350W:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/
So unless you are running simultaneously synthetic workloads the most your system total real power draw could be would be 650-750W and more likely half that, as you rarely ever 100% load both the CPU & GPU at the same time. So a 900W UPS should be plenty. Are you sure the Beep is even load-related? Mine gives a warning beep whenever it switches over to battery power during a power loss even if it's momentary before going back to mains draw.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:05:25 No.103923308
>>103923187
I'd love for this new flow-through PCB design to trickle down to cheaper lower-power models. Imagine a 5070-class card in a single slot package.
I'd love for this new flow-through PCB design to trickle down to cheaper lower-power models. Imagine a 5070-class card in a single slot package.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:05:29 No.103923311
>>103923251
>it's a "steal" at only $550.
Is it not? Even discounting the AI memes, the previous gen offered similar hardware for closer to 800 than 500.
>it's a "steal" at only $550.
Is it not? Even discounting the AI memes, the previous gen offered similar hardware for closer to 800 than 500.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:06:37 No.103923321
>>103923259
I told you I have a 12900ks. I also have 16 fans, four 3.5 drives, open loop pump, and enough faggy RGB to embarrass a pride parade. I just was asking about the UPS. I mean why have 1200w if you aren't going to try and use them?
I told you I have a 12900ks. I also have 16 fans, four 3.5 drives, open loop pump, and enough faggy RGB to embarrass a pride parade. I just was asking about the UPS. I mean why have 1200w if you aren't going to try and use them?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:07:25 No.103923327
>>103923281
I told him to get a 7800xt but he wouldn't listen
I told him to get a 7800xt but he wouldn't listen
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:07:44 No.103923334
>>103922405
I'm simply not going to compromise because some thirdie thinks buying a 3080 in 2025 is a good deal.
I'm simply not going to compromise because some thirdie thinks buying a 3080 in 2025 is a good deal.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:08:26 No.103923344
>>103923311
It's basically a 4070 super, it's not bad but certainly not a "steal", if it could actually hit 4090 performance then it would definitely be a steal.
It's basically a 4070 super, it's not bad but certainly not a "steal", if it could actually hit 4090 performance then it would definitely be a steal.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:11:48 No.103923363
>>103923290
>it's more like 330-400W:
Nope. This is when it was air cooled on an easy to run game. It's water cooled and overclocked now. pretty close to 450 is normal.
>it's more like 330-400W:
Nope. This is when it was air cooled on an easy to run game. It's water cooled and overclocked now. pretty close to 450 is normal.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:12:28 No.103923370
>>103923281
It is damn near impossible to stop nvidia buyers from buying anything else. Ironically they are also insanely stubborn at their budgets. So for $500 they'll buy the best nvidia they can for that. Even if you explain for $600 they could get better from AMD or Nvidia or for $300 they can get 95% the performance they will flat out refuse.
It is damn near impossible to stop nvidia buyers from buying anything else. Ironically they are also insanely stubborn at their budgets. So for $500 they'll buy the best nvidia they can for that. Even if you explain for $600 they could get better from AMD or Nvidia or for $300 they can get 95% the performance they will flat out refuse.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:14:11 No.103923387
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:14:21 No.103923388
>>103923363
Oh I see. Well in that case one sure way to test if your current UPS is enough is a put load on the system like you normally would day-to-day then just yank the power cord from the UPS and see if it properly switches over to battery power and how long the uptime gives you to shutdown.
Oh I see. Well in that case one sure way to test if your current UPS is enough is a put load on the system like you normally would day-to-day then just yank the power cord from the UPS and see if it properly switches over to battery power and how long the uptime gives you to shutdown.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:15:58 No.103923402
>>103923387
I don't even know how it works desu, people told me to get it.
I don't even know how it works desu, people told me to get it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:16:46 No.103923406
>>103923370
This is why every time people will say that consumers just want AMD to release something, it's just to cause Nvidia prices to go lower so they can buy Nvidia. It aggravates the internet at large and is true generally speaking given Nvidia almost has 90% of the dGPU gaming market.
This is why every time people will say that consumers just want AMD to release something, it's just to cause Nvidia prices to go lower so they can buy Nvidia. It aggravates the internet at large and is true generally speaking given Nvidia almost has 90% of the dGPU gaming market.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:17:22 No.103923411
>>103923402
It simultaneously enriches and steals from shills
It simultaneously enriches and steals from shills
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:17:32 No.103923413
>>103923370
This, also if they do buy anything else any little thing that goes wrong they'll immediately start bitching and blaming you for not letting them buy an nvidia. Had a friend I told to buy a 6800xt over a 3070 and he calls me a few days later complaining about how his PC was dead and how this is all because I "forced" him to buy an AMD instead of an nvidia. I went over and the retard had let his cat bite through his monitors HDMI cable, replaced it for him for free and offered to change his 6800xt for a spare 3060 I had plus some cash to cover the rest so he would shut up.
This, also if they do buy anything else any little thing that goes wrong they'll immediately start bitching and blaming you for not letting them buy an nvidia. Had a friend I told to buy a 6800xt over a 3070 and he calls me a few days later complaining about how his PC was dead and how this is all because I "forced" him to buy an AMD instead of an nvidia. I went over and the retard had let his cat bite through his monitors HDMI cable, replaced it for him for free and offered to change his 6800xt for a spare 3060 I had plus some cash to cover the rest so he would shut up.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:19:21 No.103923428
>>103923406
>AMD
That's now Intel apparently which is ironic given how much of the internet shat their pants over driver overhead and even after people reviewed the B580 with budget CPUs, the GPU still came out ahead in value except for certain games against AMD and Nvidia.
>AMD
That's now Intel apparently which is ironic given how much of the internet shat their pants over driver overhead and even after people reviewed the B580 with budget CPUs, the GPU still came out ahead in value except for certain games against AMD and Nvidia.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:21:34 No.103923452
>>103923411
I got about $10 after shopping on WD a few years ago.
There's so much of this crap though, I've used Rakuten before.
I got about $10 after shopping on WD a few years ago.
There's so much of this crap though, I've used Rakuten before.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:22:54 No.103923466
>>103923428
They're still begging AMD to release the 9070/9070xt for $400 so nvidia will be forced to drop the price of the 5070 ti/5080. This is why I now ignore every post talking about how "AMD HAS to price it at $$$$ or it's dead"
They're still begging AMD to release the 9070/9070xt for $400 so nvidia will be forced to drop the price of the 5070 ti/5080. This is why I now ignore every post talking about how "AMD HAS to price it at $$$$ or it's dead"
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:23:54 No.103923477
>>103923452
It's good for you, it just fucks over "creators" aka YouTubers and twitch streamers.
It's good for you, it just fucks over "creators" aka YouTubers and twitch streamers.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:23:58 No.103923478
>asrock detection tool
so what is this thing
it came with my PSU
so what is this thing
it came with my PSU
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:24:13 No.103923479
Any advice on unlocking the power limit for my 11400 intel cpu and h510m-a pro msi motherboard? I know the motherboard is a cheap ass piece of shit and doesn't have vram heatsinks but it's what i got and im wondering how much im actually risking by letting it rip. Trying to look it up and i'm seeing a whole bunch of people saying "dont do it" for those reasons but not really why. Am i at a serious risk of bricking something or just lowering the lifespan of my motherboard to only a few years?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:26:55 No.103923502
>>103923478
It's a PSU testing tool, that helps you know whether the unit's worth installing to your PC.
It's a PSU testing tool, that helps you know whether the unit's worth installing to your PC.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:28:25 No.103923513
>>103923466
Yep no mercy, fuck everyone at large in the GPU market, they went and made the market the way it was. They deserve to reap the results from it, good and bad. I think AMD will realistically do it at $500 but they aren't going to start a price war with Nvidia.
Yep no mercy, fuck everyone at large in the GPU market, they went and made the market the way it was. They deserve to reap the results from it, good and bad. I think AMD will realistically do it at $500 but they aren't going to start a price war with Nvidia.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:30:12 No.103923526
>>103923466
This is the most braindead AMDrone bootlicking corpo take I've seen today in /pcbg/, which is saying something
>>103923479
Not worth
>>103923281
>The 60 series is their most profitable cut down shit die they make
The XX60 series is basically the highest value for consumers, retard.
This is the most braindead AMDrone bootlicking corpo take I've seen today in /pcbg/, which is saying something
>>103923479
Not worth
>>103923281
>The 60 series is their most profitable cut down shit die they make
The XX60 series is basically the highest value for consumers, retard.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:31:00 No.103923533
>>103923513
I think if it actually hits 4080 performance they could even drop it at $550 just like the 5070. In fact that's my suspicion on why they delayed the rdn4 announcement, they were planning on a $549 card but got word last minute that nvidia was also dropping a $549 card.
I think if it actually hits 4080 performance they could even drop it at $550 just like the 5070. In fact that's my suspicion on why they delayed the rdn4 announcement, they were planning on a $549 card but got word last minute that nvidia was also dropping a $549 card.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:31:33 No.103923539
>>103923502
neat, thanks
neat, thanks
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:31:55 No.103923541
>>103923479
You'll probably have to look for some custom BIOS or hardware mod it.
Not worth it either way. maybe try undervolting the CPU if you can adjust CPU Lite Load settings under Advanced CPU Configuration (if this option is available).
You'll probably have to look for some custom BIOS or hardware mod it.
Not worth it either way. maybe try undervolting the CPU if you can adjust CPU Lite Load settings under Advanced CPU Configuration (if this option is available).
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:32:20 No.103923544
why is this nigger still breating and posting stolen pics with ebin notes on them?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:35:36 No.103923571
>>103923221
4060 isn't trash if you're not overestimating its capability, but it isn't really strong enough to run the latest games. You need settings optimization and DLSS to make it even run 1080p. I would consider a graphics card of that performance level to be for your average esports game or to clear your backlog
>>103923097
Decent if you can get your hands on one
>>103923058
If you actually get it, make sure you enable ReBAR (and of course that your system actually supports ReBAR)
4060 isn't trash if you're not overestimating its capability, but it isn't really strong enough to run the latest games. You need settings optimization and DLSS to make it even run 1080p. I would consider a graphics card of that performance level to be for your average esports game or to clear your backlog
>>103923097
Decent if you can get your hands on one
>>103923058
If you actually get it, make sure you enable ReBAR (and of course that your system actually supports ReBAR)
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:40:43 No.103923609
>>103922801
I think higher end corsair models still come with a cable to view stats
my rm750i from 2015 has it
not sure if the software still works (used to be able to control fan curve amd toggle single/multi 12v rail)
I can see the fan speed, temperature, in and out watts, and voltages (in hwmonitor)
I think higher end corsair models still come with a cable to view stats
my rm750i from 2015 has it
not sure if the software still works (used to be able to control fan curve amd toggle single/multi 12v rail)
I can see the fan speed, temperature, in and out watts, and voltages (in hwmonitor)
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:41:33 No.103923616
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:43:50 No.103923630
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:44:42 No.103923638
>>103922405
Not really. For example, you can get a 4060 for under $300 new, clean with warranty, while a dusty used 3060 Ti costs almost $250 on average on the used market. Not worth. Used graphics cards are only worth it if you're filling some niche, like the 3090 for muh VRAM
>>103922917
>competitive games
4060 hands down for features like Reflex
You'll be crippled in a lot of games with Radeon or Arc
Not really. For example, you can get a 4060 for under $300 new, clean with warranty, while a dusty used 3060 Ti costs almost $250 on average on the used market. Not worth. Used graphics cards are only worth it if you're filling some niche, like the 3090 for muh VRAM
>>103922917
>competitive games
4060 hands down for features like Reflex
You'll be crippled in a lot of games with Radeon or Arc
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:45:46 No.103923648
>>103923466
I hope nvidia lowers their prices so I can get AMD even cheaper
I hope nvidia lowers their prices so I can get AMD even cheaper
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:49:43 No.103923682
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:52:43 No.103923708
>two players in a global market
>people are discussing pricing
In what scenario in your mind is there no absolute cooperation between the two to find an optimized cartel profit equilibrium?
>people are discussing pricing
In what scenario in your mind is there no absolute cooperation between the two to find an optimized cartel profit equilibrium?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:52:47 No.103923710
>>103923616
This isn't my post, but it's useful >>103914102
If you were my rl friend, I would try to convince you to buy a more affordable 9800X3D gaming PC.
There's a lot more reliable tuning information for this X3D system.
Keep the savings or spend it on getting a higher-tier video card or a new monitor.
This isn't my post, but it's useful >>103914102
If you were my rl friend, I would try to convince you to buy a more affordable 9800X3D gaming PC.
There's a lot more reliable tuning information for this X3D system.
Keep the savings or spend it on getting a higher-tier video card or a new monitor.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:56:16 No.103923739
>>103923708
In the one where company A bow owns 90% of the market and is making hundreds of billions while company B can barely make enough to keep the lights on.
In the one where company A bow owns 90% of the market and is making hundreds of billions while company B can barely make enough to keep the lights on.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:57:10 No.103923749
>>103923708
>In what scenario in your mind is there no absolute cooperation between the two to find an optimized cartel profit equilibrium?
When the scenario has a third, more powerful party. Welcome to TSCM, the actual developer of GPUs. It doesn't matter what AMD/Nvidia does, its TSCM who owns the actual transistors that make GPUs work and they are going to destroy both AMD and Nvidia once we hit 1nm and neither company can 'innovate' anymore. The more they flood the market with 1nm the more companies will be able to start catching up to Nvidia and then the prices will tank. And this isn't in 50 years, it more like 10 to 20.
>In what scenario in your mind is there no absolute cooperation between the two to find an optimized cartel profit equilibrium?
When the scenario has a third, more powerful party. Welcome to TSCM, the actual developer of GPUs. It doesn't matter what AMD/Nvidia does, its TSCM who owns the actual transistors that make GPUs work and they are going to destroy both AMD and Nvidia once we hit 1nm and neither company can 'innovate' anymore. The more they flood the market with 1nm the more companies will be able to start catching up to Nvidia and then the prices will tank. And this isn't in 50 years, it more like 10 to 20.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:58:34 No.103923770
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:58:37 No.103923774
>>103923739
AMD is hardly struggling to keep the lights on. And so long as Playstation exists Radeon engineers will have a job.
AMD is hardly struggling to keep the lights on. And so long as Playstation exists Radeon engineers will have a job.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:58:42 No.103923776
>>103923526
>Not worth
Why? Potential Damage? Instability? Will get thermal throttled preventing any additional performance? Apparently the 11400 has a lot of power left on the table by it's power limit.
>>103923541
custom BIOS or hardware mod it
it's just a setting in the default bios oc menu. Raising the power limit for long duration pl1, and short duration pl2 in turbo boost mode namely raising the long duration from 65w to like 100w or 125w. The 11400 doesn't have any traditional overclocking frequency settings as it's not K. Unless im mistaken or misunderstanding?
>Not worth
Why? Potential Damage? Instability? Will get thermal throttled preventing any additional performance? Apparently the 11400 has a lot of power left on the table by it's power limit.
>>103923541
custom BIOS or hardware mod it
it's just a setting in the default bios oc menu. Raising the power limit for long duration pl1, and short duration pl2 in turbo boost mode namely raising the long duration from 65w to like 100w or 125w. The 11400 doesn't have any traditional overclocking frequency settings as it's not K. Unless im mistaken or misunderstanding?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:59:00 No.103923780
>>103923413
I feel this deep.in my soul
I feel this deep.in my soul
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:00:08 No.103923793
>>103923526
>XX60 series is basically the highest value for consumers, retard.
lmao you're the fucking retard if you think 8 gb vram in a cut down ass card is "value" it gets bodied by the fuckint b580 at less price
>XX60 series is basically the highest value for consumers, retard.
lmao you're the fucking retard if you think 8 gb vram in a cut down ass card is "value" it gets bodied by the fuckint b580 at less price
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:01:09 No.103923801
>>103923571
>4060 isn't trash if you're not overestimating its capability,
oh my god this guy never leaves. The nvidia shill is on here 24 God damn 7. This guy will shill you a 4060 until your eyes bleed. Holy fuck when will he be gone?
>4060 isn't trash if you're not overestimating its capability,
oh my god this guy never leaves. The nvidia shill is on here 24 God damn 7. This guy will shill you a 4060 until your eyes bleed. Holy fuck when will he be gone?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:04:17 No.103923829
What happened to 80 tier cards? They have always beaten previous gen top cards but now they can't even perform equally?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:05:01 No.103923839
>>103923413
Just let them buy RTX cards, not shilling. Let them fully own up to their decisions.
Just let them buy RTX cards, not shilling. Let them fully own up to their decisions.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:06:39 No.103923846
>>103923776
You can experiment for yourself, but there's no way your H510 has good enough power delivery (throttling) for a fully unlocked TDP under multicore workloads. I doubt your cooler is up to snuff either. Gaming is mostly single core, which is why heavily powerlimited CPUs still perform well. Run your own experiments. You won't kill anything if you're just changing the TDP limit
>>103923749
>TSCM
TSMC
>>103923793
>>103923801
Get fucked VRAMeming samefag
The 4060 is better than the 16 GB 6800 in new games. >>103923571 VRAM != performance. There are no games in existence that can't be run on the 4060
You can experiment for yourself, but there's no way your H510 has good enough power delivery (throttling) for a fully unlocked TDP under multicore workloads. I doubt your cooler is up to snuff either. Gaming is mostly single core, which is why heavily powerlimited CPUs still perform well. Run your own experiments. You won't kill anything if you're just changing the TDP limit
>>103923749
>TSCM
TSMC
>>103923793
>>103923801
Get fucked VRAMeming samefag
The 4060 is better than the 16 GB 6800 in new games. >>103923571 VRAM != performance. There are no games in existence that can't be run on the 4060
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:06:53 No.103923848
>>103923829
they're one of the worst value to price you can get along with the 60 tier. 60 and 80 is the worst. The Ti and super models are what you want. 80s got rekt after like 1000 series. 1080 was last decent value then 2080 and 3080 were the "no buy" gens.
they're one of the worst value to price you can get along with the 60 tier. 60 and 80 is the worst. The Ti and super models are what you want. 80s got rekt after like 1000 series. 1080 was last decent value then 2080 and 3080 were the "no buy" gens.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:07:29 No.103923851
>>103923839
Yea, that's what I do now. In fact I just recommend apple laptops with the M series now for most people. For gamers I tell them to get a PS.
Yea, that's what I do now. In fact I just recommend apple laptops with the M series now for most people. For gamers I tell them to get a PS.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:08:02 No.103923857
>>103923829
people began to only care about sub $600 GPUs and $1100+ flagship models, no inbetween market
people began to only care about sub $600 GPUs and $1100+ flagship models, no inbetween market
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:08:03 No.103923858
>>103923846
you keep posting these silly old ass shit pixelated graphics but nobody is playing with these higher end cards at 720 or 1080p. People using these cards are playing more recent games at 1440 and higher which the extra vram shines. it's just logic dude.
you keep posting these silly old ass shit pixelated graphics but nobody is playing with these higher end cards at 720 or 1080p. People using these cards are playing more recent games at 1440 and higher which the extra vram shines. it's just logic dude.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:08:55 No.103923864
>>103923829
Nvidia killed it when they they released the 4090. Everyone that could afford it bought the 4090. Anyone that couldn't bought anything but the $1000/$1200 4080 class cards. The same is going to happen again with the 50 series.
Nvidia killed it when they they released the 4090. Everyone that could afford it bought the 4090. Anyone that couldn't bought anything but the $1000/$1200 4080 class cards. The same is going to happen again with the 50 series.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:09:04 No.103923865
>>103923851
>recommend apple laptops with the M series now for most people.
kek. I know everyone who uses M1/M2 macs got fucked in the programming world because a lot of SDKs just straight up don't work correctly on them.
PC for the win.
>recommend apple laptops with the M series now for most people.
kek. I know everyone who uses M1/M2 macs got fucked in the programming world because a lot of SDKs just straight up don't work correctly on them.
PC for the win.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:10:28 No.103923875
>>103923865
Most of the people I know just browse social media and YouTube/Netflix/etc. so it's perfect for them.
Most of the people I know just browse social media and YouTube/Netflix/etc. so it's perfect for them.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:12:49 No.103923888
>>103923875
they don't even need a macbook then, ipad or phone is it
they don't even need a macbook then, ipad or phone is it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:13:29 No.103923897
>>103923774
Radeon is consumer GPUs, Radeon is not what is inside the Playstation, that is semi-custom and doesn't fall under the purview of Radeon.
Radeon is pretty close to shuttering its doors and only shipping iGPUs and Intel will probably be on that path soon.
>>103923829
Pic related. The proportional increase has been getting smaller since Ampere and you aren't even getting 100% of the top GPU die to buy as an option now.
Radeon is consumer GPUs, Radeon is not what is inside the Playstation, that is semi-custom and doesn't fall under the purview of Radeon.
Radeon is pretty close to shuttering its doors and only shipping iGPUs and Intel will probably be on that path soon.
>>103923829
Pic related. The proportional increase has been getting smaller since Ampere and you aren't even getting 100% of the top GPU die to buy as an option now.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:15:28 No.103923915
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:15:49 No.103923917
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:18:06 No.103923940
>>103923897
Am I right in my conspiracy theory that they are doing this on purpose, so once we hit 1nm they can then release "new" cards each year which are remotely better. If they released perfect 1nm cards in a couple years no one would ever need a new GPU. You could only buy multiples of it right?
Am I right in my conspiracy theory that they are doing this on purpose, so once we hit 1nm they can then release "new" cards each year which are remotely better. If they released perfect 1nm cards in a couple years no one would ever need a new GPU. You could only buy multiples of it right?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:20:10 No.103923951
>>103923846
>You won't kill anything if you're just changing the TDP limit
Alright will do then, thank you.
>Gaming is mostly single core, which is why heavily powerlimited CPUs still perform well
Yea it's why i mostly didn't care when i bought the cheap board and 11400, but i'm looking to play the new mhwilds when it comes out which is heavily heavily cpu bottle necked and so i'm trying to eke out as much performance as i possible can out of this tin can in hopes to improve it even slightly.
In terms of value, do you think i'd be better off splurging on a better 11th gen motherboard that could fully run my 11400? Or buy a newer generation cpu and another low to mid end cheap board?
>You won't kill anything if you're just changing the TDP limit
Alright will do then, thank you.
>Gaming is mostly single core, which is why heavily powerlimited CPUs still perform well
Yea it's why i mostly didn't care when i bought the cheap board and 11400, but i'm looking to play the new mhwilds when it comes out which is heavily heavily cpu bottle necked and so i'm trying to eke out as much performance as i possible can out of this tin can in hopes to improve it even slightly.
In terms of value, do you think i'd be better off splurging on a better 11th gen motherboard that could fully run my 11400? Or buy a newer generation cpu and another low to mid end cheap board?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:22:56 No.103923979
>>103923940
I think they're just not advancing as much as they'd like and these GPUs are more expensive to manufacture than ever and despite making record profits they don't want to pay for it, so are cutting down dies.
I think they're just not advancing as much as they'd like and these GPUs are more expensive to manufacture than ever and despite making record profits they don't want to pay for it, so are cutting down dies.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:23:40 No.103923984
about to push the button
kind of scared tbdesu
kind of scared tbdesu
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:24:22 No.103923987
>>103923858
>nobody is playing with these higher end cards at 720 or 1080p
>it's just logic
Yeah, because graphics cards that can't even run 1080p >>103923571 are great for 1440p. You're not familiar with this thing you call logic. Older games don't care about VRAM (and most newer ones don't either). Additionally, like most VRAMemers, you're ignoring the fact that most people use upsampling to get playable framerates on low end cards (like the muh VRAM 6800), meaning low input resolution FSR 6800 "muh VRAM" is trash tier
>nobody is playing with these higher end cards at 720 or 1080p
>it's just logic
Yeah, because graphics cards that can't even run 1080p >>103923571 are great for 1440p. You're not familiar with this thing you call logic. Older games don't care about VRAM (and most newer ones don't either). Additionally, like most VRAMemers, you're ignoring the fact that most people use upsampling to get playable framerates on low end cards (like the muh VRAM 6800), meaning low input resolution FSR 6800 "muh VRAM" is trash tier
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:26:16 No.103924004
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:28:10 No.103924021
>>103923951
Modern platform, the best CPU you can afford. If you're looking for something budget, the R5 7600 is a good entry point. You'll be able to drop in a new endgame AM5 X3D in a few years for relatively cheap.
Also keep in mind that DLSS Frame Gen is really good for overcoming CPU limits. You can double your framerate in CPU limited scenarios pretty easily, although of course the input latency won't decrease below the base framerate
Modern platform, the best CPU you can afford. If you're looking for something budget, the R5 7600 is a good entry point. You'll be able to drop in a new endgame AM5 X3D in a few years for relatively cheap.
Also keep in mind that DLSS Frame Gen is really good for overcoming CPU limits. You can double your framerate in CPU limited scenarios pretty easily, although of course the input latency won't decrease below the base framerate
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:29:06 No.103924031
>>103923344
I can't find a 4070 super for less than $850 so "basically" that for $300 less is a good deal in my books.
I can't find a 4070 super for less than $850 so "basically" that for $300 less is a good deal in my books.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:32:20 No.103924048
>>103923940
NVIDIA is just a different company since Jensen forced a pivot to AI technology development in the mid 2010s.
They also hired better businessmen (yes, better for NVIDIA) during the early 2010s, who told Jensen the GeForce division was running a bad business.
I can't find the exact source of the interview anymore, but an NVIDIA business executive said their GeForce cards were too good for customers because they lasted over two hardware generations or so.
The executive said something along the lines of GeForce customers only spending $300~400 on average every five years and that needed to change.
We have been witnessing that change.
NVIDIA is just a different company since Jensen forced a pivot to AI technology development in the mid 2010s.
They also hired better businessmen (yes, better for NVIDIA) during the early 2010s, who told Jensen the GeForce division was running a bad business.
I can't find the exact source of the interview anymore, but an NVIDIA business executive said their GeForce cards were too good for customers because they lasted over two hardware generations or so.
The executive said something along the lines of GeForce customers only spending $300~400 on average every five years and that needed to change.
We have been witnessing that change.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:33:20 No.103924056
>>103924031
>can't find a 4070 super for less than $850 so "basically" that for $300 less is a good deal in my books.
what country? there's plenty on Amazon right now for less than that. I can find 4070ti supers all day for 850
>can't find a 4070 super for less than $850 so "basically" that for $300 less is a good deal in my books.
what country? there's plenty on Amazon right now for less than that. I can find 4070ti supers all day for 850
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:39:48 No.103924105
How is the Nvidia shill coping that the 5090 is only 10% better than the 4090 in raw performance? lol
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:40:28 No.103924112
>>103923979
They don't only just do that, Nvidia is also artificially gimping capabilities on the GPU die more than their competitors. Have you seen what they are doing with their 5090D they are shipping to China? The stuff they do already with limiting encode and decode sessions (https://github.com/keylase/nvidia-patch to remove them) and VFIO roadblocks in needing to trick the guest VM and hide a bunch of stuff to even remotely get it working is dumb.
They don't only just do that, Nvidia is also artificially gimping capabilities on the GPU die more than their competitors. Have you seen what they are doing with their 5090D they are shipping to China? The stuff they do already with limiting encode and decode sessions (https://github.com/keylase/nvidia-
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:41:53 No.103924121
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:42:39 No.103924127
>>103924021
>the R5 7600 is a good entry point
Okay cool, ill look into it. Thanks for the help.
>DLSS Frame Gen is really good for overcoming CPU limits
Unfortunately won't be able to make use for when wilds comes out as im on amd. I've never really had to make use of amd's own frame gen, and generally prefer to run native when i can, so idk how good it really is but hopefully it's decent enough when wilds releases, assuming it doesn't add a boatload of latency.
>the R5 7600 is a good entry point
Okay cool, ill look into it. Thanks for the help.
>DLSS Frame Gen is really good for overcoming CPU limits
Unfortunately won't be able to make use for when wilds comes out as im on amd. I've never really had to make use of amd's own frame gen, and generally prefer to run native when i can, so idk how good it really is but hopefully it's decent enough when wilds releases, assuming it doesn't add a boatload of latency.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:43:10 No.103924133
>there are people not buying all their parts now before the Trump tariffs inflate all prices
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:45:43 No.103924149
every person i asked (one or two people) favored an AMD CPU over an Intel one so i'll ask here. I'm irrationally drawn to an Intel CPU, maybe an 11th gen or 12th gen one. am i being dumb
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:45:44 No.103924150
>>103924133
I mean inflation guarantees prices will keep going up, and inflation still hasn't been under control + potential tariffs. There's always gonna be shit going on in the world. I think now is a better time than COVID years to buy parts HOWEVER, GPU and CPU prices are insane right now even comparatively speaking.
I think 2018-2019 was one of the best times, along with 2012-2014.
I mean inflation guarantees prices will keep going up, and inflation still hasn't been under control + potential tariffs. There's always gonna be shit going on in the world. I think now is a better time than COVID years to buy parts HOWEVER, GPU and CPU prices are insane right now even comparatively speaking.
I think 2018-2019 was one of the best times, along with 2012-2014.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:46:59 No.103924162
>>103924149
genuinely asking, why would you want to have an already obsolete socket, with no future upgradability guaranteed, with worse power efficiency, and high wattage draw for less performance?
Serious question.
The least you could do would be get an Ultra series with e cores.
genuinely asking, why would you want to have an already obsolete socket, with no future upgradability guaranteed, with worse power efficiency, and high wattage draw for less performance?
Serious question.
The least you could do would be get an Ultra series with e cores.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:47:08 No.103924164
>>103924105
I plan on buying one myself. Not so sure about the other dude you are talking about.
I plan on buying one myself. Not so sure about the other dude you are talking about.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:47:59 No.103924172
>>103924164
>Not so sure about the other dude you are talking about.
have you been in a cave? the guy who constantly posts pixilated performance graphics and constantly shills the 4060.
>Not so sure about the other dude you are talking about.
have you been in a cave? the guy who constantly posts pixilated performance graphics and constantly shills the 4060.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:48:44 No.103924180
>>103922337
can someone recommend me an actual, available, high quality ATX3.1 PSU? id rather not buy a PSU with the 12vhpwr female end.
Ideally I would buy the seasonic noctua collab psu or the ASUS ROG THOR III(itself a modded seasonic), but neither of those are available for purchase yet
can someone recommend me an actual, available, high quality ATX3.1 PSU? id rather not buy a PSU with the 12vhpwr female end.
Ideally I would buy the seasonic noctua collab psu or the ASUS ROG THOR III(itself a modded seasonic), but neither of those are available for purchase yet
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:50:31 No.103924197
>>103924172
Oh that guy. Yea he will probably get a free 5090 for all his hard work.
Oh that guy. Yea he will probably get a free 5090 for all his hard work.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:52:14 No.103924212
>>103924031
If you can't find a 4070 Super for $600, you're not going to find a 5070 for $550
>>103924048
I agree that Nvidia is milking its install base, but even so, it's better than the competition. RX 6000 didn't even last one generation. DLSS Super Resolution has been the best finewine to ever come to graphics cards. If not for Nvidia, you'd be using checkerboarding like PS4. 4K was never even really viable on PC until DLSS showed up
>>103924105
RTX 50 is a mediocre generation at best. Good for people who have 240 Hz monitor, but not much else. Obviously that doesn't mean that RTX 40 is the better buy at this point. A small gain is better than no gain, but the 5090 will likely be more than 10% better than the 4090, especially when it counts, like in PT
>>103924149
11th was not a good gen. Minimum would be a 12100, 12400 preferably. 13100 if you can find it cheaper than the 12100. 13400 has some extra cores but I doubt you can find one cheap enough to make it worth it for gaming
If you can't find a 4070 Super for $600, you're not going to find a 5070 for $550
>>103924048
I agree that Nvidia is milking its install base, but even so, it's better than the competition. RX 6000 didn't even last one generation. DLSS Super Resolution has been the best finewine to ever come to graphics cards. If not for Nvidia, you'd be using checkerboarding like PS4. 4K was never even really viable on PC until DLSS showed up
>>103924105
RTX 50 is a mediocre generation at best. Good for people who have 240 Hz monitor, but not much else. Obviously that doesn't mean that RTX 40 is the better buy at this point. A small gain is better than no gain, but the 5090 will likely be more than 10% better than the 4090, especially when it counts, like in PT
>>103924149
11th was not a good gen. Minimum would be a 12100, 12400 preferably. 13100 if you can find it cheaper than the 12100. 13400 has some extra cores but I doubt you can find one cheap enough to make it worth it for gaming
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:54:04 No.103924229
>>103924212
>11th was not a good gen. Minimum would be a 12100, 12400 preferably. 13100 if you can find it cheaper than the 12100. 13400 has some extra cores but I doubt you can find one cheap enough to make it worth it for gaming
okay, and so it's not that good compared to AMD?
>11th was not a good gen. Minimum would be a 12100, 12400 preferably. 13100 if you can find it cheaper than the 12100. 13400 has some extra cores but I doubt you can find one cheap enough to make it worth it for gaming
okay, and so it's not that good compared to AMD?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:55:29 No.103924245
>>103924149
isn't bartlett lake going to be lga1700?
isn't bartlett lake going to be lga1700?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:56:46 No.103924255
>>103924133
Don't need parts now
Don't even want DDR5 ever
Yet I just know in ~3 years I'm going to regret skipping AM5
Don't need parts now
Don't even want DDR5 ever
Yet I just know in ~3 years I'm going to regret skipping AM5
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:57:38 No.103924263
>>103924255
impressive, respectable build
impressive, respectable build
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:59:52 No.103924284
>>103924212
>RTX 50 is a mediocre generation at best
It will be a good upgrade for those still in RTX 30.
>RTX 50 is a mediocre generation at best
It will be a good upgrade for those still in RTX 30.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:01:33 No.103924296
>>103924255
>Yet I just know in ~3 years I'm going to regret skipping AM5
Not if you can buy deeply discounted high-end AM5 boards and CPUs in 3 years.
Gaming system requirements are going to rise at a slower rate.
Game developers need as many gamers to buy their products to sustain the business.
Prohibitive system requirements can kill some studios.
>Yet I just know in ~3 years I'm going to regret skipping AM5
Not if you can buy deeply discounted high-end AM5 boards and CPUs in 3 years.
Gaming system requirements are going to rise at a slower rate.
Game developers need as many gamers to buy their products to sustain the business.
Prohibitive system requirements can kill some studios.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:02:39 No.103924311
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:03:55 No.103924325
>>103924229
I would consider an 11400 to be worse than the 5600, considering power consumption especially. Chips like the 5600 and 12400 are so cheap that there's really no reason to buy used and risk the hassle
>>103924284
The 5070 Ti and above might be an ok upgrade, especially if someone bought during the ETH gold rush when a 3070 was selling for $1000 USD. Otherwise performance could be a lot better after waitingTM for four years. The 5070 is basically a $50 discount on the 4070 Super after a year. MAYBE it will be better suited for TOPs (read: AI) gaming workloads, but that's yet to be seen
I would consider an 11400 to be worse than the 5600, considering power consumption especially. Chips like the 5600 and 12400 are so cheap that there's really no reason to buy used and risk the hassle
>>103924284
The 5070 Ti and above might be an ok upgrade, especially if someone bought during the ETH gold rush when a 3070 was selling for $1000 USD. Otherwise performance could be a lot better after waitingTM for four years. The 5070 is basically a $50 discount on the 4070 Super after a year. MAYBE it will be better suited for TOPs (read: AI) gaming workloads, but that's yet to be seen
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:07:07 No.103924353
>>103924311
Because early DDR6 will be even worse and more expensive
Because motherboard manufacturers will move even more qol features from mid+ to top-only tier
Because obtaining new hardware in my country will be even harder than it is now
Because early DDR6 will be even worse and more expensive
Because motherboard manufacturers will move even more qol features from mid+ to top-only tier
Because obtaining new hardware in my country will be even harder than it is now
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:09:11 No.103924370
>>103924353
smart man
smart man
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:10:11 No.103924375
>>103923571
Bro a 4060 is worse than 3060 12g
Bro a 4060 is worse than 3060 12g
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:12:24 No.103924397
>>103924180
ATX 3.0 PSUs had to meet stricter holdup time requirements, they are technically better than 3.1 if you don't want the native 12V-2x6 interface that is installed in 3.1 units.
Check out Super Flower's higher-end ATX 3.0 PSUs if they're sold in your region.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3xmNnQ/super-flower-leadex-vii-platinum-pro-1200-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1200f14xp
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7xHqqs/super-flower-leadex-vii-xg-1300-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-1300f14xg
ATX 3.0 PSUs had to meet stricter holdup time requirements, they are technically better than 3.1 if you don't want the native 12V-2x6 interface that is installed in 3.1 units.
Check out Super Flower's higher-end ATX 3.0 PSUs if they're sold in your region.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3x
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7x
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:13:52 No.103924409
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:14:47 No.103924417
>>103924397
been out of the loop for awhile now, what's with those 9 pin connectors, another new standard? i don't see it on other brands
been out of the loop for awhile now, what's with those 9 pin connectors, another new standard? i don't see it on other brands
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:15:18 No.103924422
>>103924375
It's funny to me that retards like you can have data right in front of their faces, in the posts they reply to, and not be able to understand it. Pic related doesn't even count DLSS Frame Generation and has games with user error VRAM settings
It's funny to me that retards like you can have data right in front of their faces, in the posts they reply to, and not be able to understand it. Pic related doesn't even count DLSS Frame Generation and has games with user error VRAM settings
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:16:17 No.103924431
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:17:00 No.103924438
>>103924431
I guess you're looking for 720p?
I guess you're looking for 720p?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:17:11 No.103924443
>>103924255
I have a similar build
I have a similar build
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:19:49 No.103924471
>>103924443
Why is your rebar disabled?
Why is your rebar disabled?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:21:19 No.103924480
>all those people saying you should get the 5070 Ti instead of 5080
>they don't realize the 5070 Ti uses same GPU die as the 5080 which pretty much guarantees it will be out of stock as there will never be enough sub-par AD103 chips to meet 5070 Ti demand
calling it now
>they don't realize the 5070 Ti uses same GPU die as the 5080 which pretty much guarantees it will be out of stock as there will never be enough sub-par AD103 chips to meet 5070 Ti demand
calling it now
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:24:37 No.103924504
>>103923848
Wasn't 4080s reasonable value after 4090 jumped up a lot above msrp?
Wasn't 4080s reasonable value after 4090 jumped up a lot above msrp?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:25:21 No.103924509
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:25:38 No.103924514
>>103924480
The fact that they share the same die and Nvidia think they can sell the 5080 for an extra $250 confirms it's a bad deal.
The fact that they share the same die and Nvidia think they can sell the 5080 for an extra $250 confirms it's a bad deal.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:27:13 No.103924522
>>103924504
In Europe 4090's were going for like 2000-2200 Euro but you could get 4080S's for 1200-1400. So yes pretty good value considering the 4090 is only 25% faster according to TPU 12+ game average.
In Europe 4090's were going for like 2000-2200 Euro but you could get 4080S's for 1200-1400. So yes pretty good value considering the 4090 is only 25% faster according to TPU 12+ game average.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:31:14 No.103924558
>>103923848
3080 was good. $700 MSRP and substantially better than the previous gen high end. In fact the 3070 and 3060 Ti were quite good as well, as the 3070 brought $1100 street pricing 2080 Ti perf down to a $500 MSRP. ETH and COVID fucked up the street pricing of the RTX 30 series
>>103924504
You are correct
3080 was good. $700 MSRP and substantially better than the previous gen high end. In fact the 3070 and 3060 Ti were quite good as well, as the 3070 brought $1100 street pricing 2080 Ti perf down to a $500 MSRP. ETH and COVID fucked up the street pricing of the RTX 30 series
>>103924504
You are correct
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:33:18 No.103924574
https://www.techradar.com/televisions/lg-g5-oled-tv
>There have been several upgrades and changes to the LG G5 compared to its predecessor the LG G4. The G5 introduces 4K 165Hz refresh rate support – perfect for PC gaming – as well as still supporting VRR (AMD FreeSync and Nvidia G-Sync included) as well as Dolby Vision gaming across four HDMI 2.1 ports, a feature list up there with the best gaming TVs.
LG can offer 4K@240Hz in their smaller WOLED gaming monitors since last year but their FLAGSHIP 4K WOLED TV this year caps out at 165hz? What gives? It's not like the bigger panel actually has any more pixels to worry about driving.
>There have been several upgrades and changes to the LG G5 compared to its predecessor the LG G4. The G5 introduces 4K 165Hz refresh rate support – perfect for PC gaming – as well as still supporting VRR (AMD FreeSync and Nvidia G-Sync included) as well as Dolby Vision gaming across four HDMI 2.1 ports, a feature list up there with the best gaming TVs.
LG can offer 4K@240Hz in their smaller WOLED gaming monitors since last year but their FLAGSHIP 4K WOLED TV this year caps out at 165hz? What gives? It's not like the bigger panel actually has any more pixels to worry about driving.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:33:51 No.103924577
>>103922489
9800X3D sucks in multicore apps and some people do more than just gay men.
When the non-VCache CCD is disabled with "turbo mode", the other works just like a 9800X3D, not any worse since there is no inter CCD shit going on. Maybe even slightly better because of higher binned silicon.
9800X3D sucks in multicore apps and some people do more than just gay men.
When the non-VCache CCD is disabled with "turbo mode", the other works just like a 9800X3D, not any worse since there is no inter CCD shit going on. Maybe even slightly better because of higher binned silicon.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:38:08 No.103924598
what do you guys think?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:38:32 No.103924600
>>103924577
>When the non-VCache CCD is disabled with "turbo mode",
can you explain more, I'm interested in a non 3d cpu, I haven't stayed up to date on these
>When the non-VCache CCD is disabled with "turbo mode",
can you explain more, I'm interested in a non 3d cpu, I haven't stayed up to date on these
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:39:33 No.103924611
>>103924598
idk but you're doing yourself a disservice not manually adding the case and gpu price, that's a 3k+ build at least with the 7950x3d.
idk but you're doing yourself a disservice not manually adding the case and gpu price, that's a 3k+ build at least with the 7950x3d.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:41:21 No.103924627
>>103922494
The 9950X is a no brainer then. Even here in America's miserable vassal state it's only 70€ more than the 9800X3D but delivers more than double the SMT power. A MONSTROUS POWERHORSE!
The 9950X is a no brainer then. Even here in America's miserable vassal state it's only 70€ more than the 9800X3D but delivers more than double the SMT power. A MONSTROUS POWERHORSE!
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:44:18 No.103924659
>>103924574
Likely has to do with each being 2 different products internally.
The TV's ASIC is a different monster than the monitor as the TV incorporates image processing and an applications processer for the OS.
Monitor has no such features.
No one is exactly tearing down monitors to be sure on this but if LG is like Samsung, you would know if there was some cross contamination between the two panel's ASICs
Likely has to do with each being 2 different products internally.
The TV's ASIC is a different monster than the monitor as the TV incorporates image processing and an applications processer for the OS.
Monitor has no such features.
No one is exactly tearing down monitors to be sure on this but if LG is like Samsung, you would know if there was some cross contamination between the two panel's ASICs
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:51:11 No.103924722
>>103924598
You really think you're going to get that RAM stable 1:1?
You really think you're going to get that RAM stable 1:1?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:52:05 No.103924730
>>103924598
1. Do you have workloads already lined up that leverage all 16 cores (in other words this isn't just a gaming machine)?
2. Same question for the 96GB of RAM?
3. A single 4TB NVME is usually cheaper and saved a mobo slot over 2x2TB config
4. That monitor is curved not flat if you didn't know. Are you fine with that? Also it isn't full-bandwidth DP 2.1 like a lot of the refreshed 4K OLEDs that are about to be released so you won't be able to run 4K@240Hz without DSC using the updated ports on the RTX 5000 series.
If it were me and I knew I want that much CPU for productivity + games, I'd wait for the 9950X3D to launch for about the same price as the 7950X3D with a 20% uplift in performance.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2025/01/06/amd-reveals-ryzen-9-9950x3d-and-9900x3d-gaming-processors/
Also I'd swap the monitor for one with upgraded ports for a uncompressed 4K@240Hz signal like the Gigabyte AORUS FO32U2P and MSI MPG 322URX.
https://wccftech.com/review/msi-mpg-322urx-4k-240hz-qd-oled-gaming-monitor-review-rtx-50-ready/
Also all of the upcoming 27" 4K models should have updated ports too and the higher PPI should improve clarity and eliminate color fringing for text.
1. Do you have workloads already lined up that leverage all 16 cores (in other words this isn't just a gaming machine)?
2. Same question for the 96GB of RAM?
3. A single 4TB NVME is usually cheaper and saved a mobo slot over 2x2TB config
4. That monitor is curved not flat if you didn't know. Are you fine with that? Also it isn't full-bandwidth DP 2.1 like a lot of the refreshed 4K OLEDs that are about to be released so you won't be able to run 4K@240Hz without DSC using the updated ports on the RTX 5000 series.
If it were me and I knew I want that much CPU for productivity + games, I'd wait for the 9950X3D to launch for about the same price as the 7950X3D with a 20% uplift in performance.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antony
Also I'd swap the monitor for one with upgraded ports for a uncompressed 4K@240Hz signal like the Gigabyte AORUS FO32U2P and MSI MPG 322URX.
https://wccftech.com/review/msi-mpg
Also all of the upcoming 27" 4K models should have updated ports too and the higher PPI should improve clarity and eliminate color fringing for text.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)20:58:47 No.103924797
>>103923638
>you can get a 4060 for under $300 new, clean with warranty, while a dusty used 3060 Ti costs almost $250 on average on the used market.
Anon said "high end". Why fuck around with an xx60 when the 2080ti has recently sold for ~$220? Faster than either and significantly more VRAM.
>you can get a 4060 for under $300 new, clean with warranty, while a dusty used 3060 Ti costs almost $250 on average on the used market.
Anon said "high end". Why fuck around with an xx60 when the 2080ti has recently sold for ~$220? Faster than either and significantly more VRAM.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:00:39 No.103924817
>>103923638
got a used 3080 for 250$ few months ago
got a used 3080 for 250$ few months ago
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:00:58 No.103924824
>>103924659
Bastards. Just gut whatever TCON they already use on the 32GS95UE-B and slap it into the case with their TV panels. These are supposed to be flagship displays easily costing SEVERAL THOUSAND dollars and they can't be bothered to claim an easy win over Samsung, Sony, etc. in TV gaming prowess or their own monitors selling for less than half the price.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-class-g4-series-oled-evo-4k-uhd-smart-webos-tv-2024/6578150.p?skuId=6578150
Bastards. Just gut whatever TCON they already use on the 32GS95UE-B and slap it into the case with their TV panels. These are supposed to be flagship displays easily costing SEVERAL THOUSAND dollars and they can't be bothered to claim an easy win over Samsung, Sony, etc. in TV gaming prowess or their own monitors selling for less than half the price.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-65-
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:02:51 No.103924845
Guess I'm not using this gpu. I got a Thermnight cpu cooler I need to insert, and there's no way it and the gpu can share the same space. At least my ryzen has a igpu...
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:03:29 No.103924848
>>103922935
Two DIMMs yes. And since you would be getting double sided DIMMs with any 2x32GB kit you might as well get a 2x48GB kit for 96GB total capacity now because upgrading the 2x32GB to 2x2x32GB would result in downgrading the speed and make it more complicated to run stable. For gamers it's recommended to get 2x24 instead of 2x16 to have single sided DIMMs in max capacity.
Two DIMMs yes. And since you would be getting double sided DIMMs with any 2x32GB kit you might as well get a 2x48GB kit for 96GB total capacity now because upgrading the 2x32GB to 2x2x32GB would result in downgrading the speed and make it more complicated to run stable. For gamers it's recommended to get 2x24 instead of 2x16 to have single sided DIMMs in max capacity.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:05:05 No.103924868
>>103924845
Why do you need that? Getting a cooler that can fit there is way less money than getting another GPU.
Why do you need that? Getting a cooler that can fit there is way less money than getting another GPU.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:06:11 No.103924883
>>103924868
Its my old 2080. I just figured I could see if it could fit. Got a recommended cooler to fit in that space?
Its my old 2080. I just figured I could see if it could fit. Got a recommended cooler to fit in that space?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:07:43 No.103924901
>>103924845
Is this a case for ants?
Is this a case for ants?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:07:47 No.103924902
>>103924845
Would any GPU actually have the clearance for a tower?
Would any GPU actually have the clearance for a tower?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:08:16 No.103924910
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:08:46 No.103924916
>>103923097
> is the founders edition a good pick?
No, unless you are a collector because they will be rare. Rare but not particularly good.
> is the founders edition a good pick?
No, unless you are a collector because they will be rare. Rare but not particularly good.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:09:03 No.103924919
>>103924883
just throw on your old stock cooler, you probably have a stealth lying around
just throw on your old stock cooler, you probably have a stealth lying around
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:09:30 No.103924924
>>103924902
Igpu maybe
Igpu maybe
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:10:23 No.103924934
>>103923187
Double flow through is nothing "revolutionary" it's just optimized.
Double flow through is nothing "revolutionary" it's just optimized.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:10:32 No.103924936
can someone recommend me a good dp 2.1 DP80 UHBR20 cable? i want it to be as short as possible, ideally 1.5ft but not greater than 3.3ft. i noticed flickering with my "ivanky dp 2.1 10ft" cable even just doing 4k@120hz, let alone 240, and after i bought the ugreen 3.3ft one, it has stopped. but now i found out that its only dp40, and id rather just get a dp80 (uhbr20) one. which on amazon is actually good?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:19:21 No.103924999
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:19:49 No.103925006
How much for the 5080 variant?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:21:38 No.103925022
Are the latest PSUs still compatible with Windows XP era hardware?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:22:39 No.103925033
>>103923308
Flow through as such is not necessarily any better, it depends on the size of the heatsink and the amount of air that moves along it's surface. This can be achieved either by a smaller heatsink and just two fans spinning like crazy, as will be the case with the FE, or a huge heatsink with 3 (or even 4) fans spinning slower, as most AIB solutions will realize. I'm sensitive to noise. I prefer the latter. The FE's double flow through concept was only chosen to produce a slim card so more of them could populate one motherboard, not to produce a silent/cool card.
Flow through as such is not necessarily any better, it depends on the size of the heatsink and the amount of air that moves along it's surface. This can be achieved either by a smaller heatsink and just two fans spinning like crazy, as will be the case with the FE, or a huge heatsink with 3 (or even 4) fans spinning slower, as most AIB solutions will realize. I'm sensitive to noise. I prefer the latter. The FE's double flow through concept was only chosen to produce a slim card so more of them could populate one motherboard, not to produce a silent/cool card.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:26:05 No.103925066
>>103924936
Technically as long as it's VESA DP80 Certified:
https://www.displayport.org/product-category/dp80-certified-cables/
It should just werk.
Anyway this is probably what you are length-wise:
https://www.amazon.com/Silkland-DisplayPort-Certified-Compatible-FreeSync/dp/B0DQ7M7YG6
Technically as long as it's VESA DP80 Certified:
https://www.displayport.org/product
It should just werk.
Anyway this is probably what you are length-wise:
https://www.amazon.com/Silkland-Dis
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:26:16 No.103925067
>>103925006
It will cost more than a 4090 while being worse, why do this to yourself?
It will cost more than a 4090 while being worse, why do this to yourself?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:28:18 No.103925083
>>103925033
Is 32-33DBA that loud?
Is 32-33DBA that loud?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:29:43 No.103925097
My 2070 is really struggling nowadays at 1440. I'd been saving up as much of my spare income as possible to get a 5090 and just go for a maximised build, slowly accruing parts over time, but they're getting a pretty major markup in Australia and I'm struggling to morally justify spending a cars amount of money on one singular component of a new build.
Since stock is most likely going to immediately get snatched up with the 50 series, is it still too early to make a decision regarding preowned 40 series vs the lower level 50 series? or possibly even just sidestep to AMD since I don't care about AI at all and just want maximised graphics quality/fps.
Or worst case of all, the 5090 is the only thing with a viable cost to value ratio in the current state
sorry i know it's dumb questions but i got kicked in the head by a horse and now I just do what i'm told ty!
Since stock is most likely going to immediately get snatched up with the 50 series, is it still too early to make a decision regarding preowned 40 series vs the lower level 50 series? or possibly even just sidestep to AMD since I don't care about AI at all and just want maximised graphics quality/fps.
Or worst case of all, the 5090 is the only thing with a viable cost to value ratio in the current state
sorry i know it's dumb questions but i got kicked in the head by a horse and now I just do what i'm told ty!
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:31:16 No.103925110
>>103925097
wait for 5000/9000s to push used current gen cards onto the market
wait for 5000/9000s to push used current gen cards onto the market
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:32:17 No.103925119
>>103925110
But current gen cards can't run games released today let alon tomorrow
But current gen cards can't run games released today let alon tomorrow
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:33:31 No.103925129
>>103925066
yeah, the silkland i guess is the best. fucking ugreen needs to come out with one, stupid fucks. but thanks, appreciate it
yeah, the silkland i guess is the best. fucking ugreen needs to come out with one, stupid fucks. but thanks, appreciate it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:37:44 No.103925159
>>103925097
Should've gotten a 4090 mate
Should've gotten a 4090 mate
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:39:08 No.103925167
>>103925006
>3 fans on one side and another on the back
Next-gen they're going to put 3 fans on the full length of both sides of the card like dual-tower coolers aren't they?
>3 fans on one side and another on the back
Next-gen they're going to put 3 fans on the full length of both sides of the card like dual-tower coolers aren't they?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:42:20 No.103925188
>>103923370
I'm a 4090 owner and satisfied with it but pretty pissed by Nvidia's fake frame fraud. I'm probably gonna buy a Radeon soon for my secondary 1440p gaming rig. This wasn't planned. I originally planned to get the 5090 for my main 4k rig and use the 4090 with my secondary but the 5090 is just not worth the 2500-3000€ for just 7 fps more and Nvidia's 1440p cards, the 5070Ti/5080, are not worth the 1000-1500 €uros for nearly the same or possibly even less real performance than the 9070 XT can deliver for a lot less money. Brand loyalty my ass, I get more from life when being opportunistic.
I'm a 4090 owner and satisfied with it but pretty pissed by Nvidia's fake frame fraud. I'm probably gonna buy a Radeon soon for my secondary 1440p gaming rig. This wasn't planned. I originally planned to get the 5090 for my main 4k rig and use the 4090 with my secondary but the 5090 is just not worth the 2500-3000€ for just 7 fps more and Nvidia's 1440p cards, the 5070Ti/5080, are not worth the 1000-1500 €uros for nearly the same or possibly even less real performance than the 9070 XT can deliver for a lot less money. Brand loyalty my ass, I get more from life when being opportunistic.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:43:30 No.103925192
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:44:50 No.103925200
>>103924845
>>103924910
I don't know why people bother with anything below matx
matx is already a pain in the ass as it is
>>103924910
I don't know why people bother with anything below matx
matx is already a pain in the ass as it is
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:45:03 No.103925203
>>103925167
Next gen they should just put a cold air intake that goes along with an air cooler/gpu
Next gen they should just put a cold air intake that goes along with an air cooler/gpu
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:45:47 No.103925209
>>103924149
I like 10th gen myself but it's way outdated when the 7800x3d and 9800x3d exists
I like 10th gen myself but it's way outdated when the 7800x3d and 9800x3d exists
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:45:52 No.103925210
>>103925097
No way in hell that a 5090 will be worth it for a gaymer who's having to save to buy one. If you have to ask this question you don't need one
>preowned 40 series
Definitely not going to be worth it
>>103924797
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=2080+ti&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_fsrp=1&rt=nc&_odkw=3060+ti&_osacat=0&LH_PrefLoc=3&LH_Complete=1&LH_ItemCondition=1000%7C1500%7C2000%7C2010%7C2020%7C3000&LH_Sold=1
Most of them are more. Not worth buying a six year old card that's about to die for more than $150 or so, like a 2060 Super
>>103924817
That's insane if true, great find. The 2080 Ti costs more
No way in hell that a 5090 will be worth it for a gaymer who's having to save to buy one. If you have to ask this question you don't need one
>preowned 40 series
Definitely not going to be worth it
>>103924797
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nk
Most of them are more. Not worth buying a six year old card that's about to die for more than $150 or so, like a 2060 Super
>>103924817
That's insane if true, great find. The 2080 Ti costs more
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:46:59 No.103925218
>>103925192
Nah 5080 is way worse than that
>5090 is 30% better than 4090
>4090 is 10% better than 5080, 20-30% better than 4080/s
>5080 is 10-15% better than 4080/s
Nah 5080 is way worse than that
>5090 is 30% better than 4090
>4090 is 10% better than 5080, 20-30% better than 4080/s
>5080 is 10-15% better than 4080/s
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:48:47 No.103925224
>>103925218
unless you have a 4080s does it even matter? the real problem is that shit has 16gb vram, paying 1k for less than 24gb feels stupid
unless you have a 4080s does it even matter? the real problem is that shit has 16gb vram, paying 1k for less than 24gb feels stupid
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:48:49 No.103925225
>>103925218
90% / 130% = 69.2%
90% / 130% = 69.2%
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:51:35 No.103925241
>>103923682
Lisa and Jenson are incestuous siblings that have always been copulating to our detriment.
Lisa and Jenson are incestuous siblings that have always been copulating to our detriment.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:51:38 No.103925242
>>103923749
1nm isn't the end of the road
1nm isn't the end of the road
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:52:39 No.103925252
>>103925097
Unironically look at the 5070/9070 as possible options, or even the 5070 ti. No offense but if you're saving for a 5090 chances are your monitor is not great and could probably use an upgrade, so I'd go for a cheaper card and a better monitor over a 5090.
Unironically look at the 5070/9070 as possible options, or even the 5070 ti. No offense but if you're saving for a 5090 chances are your monitor is not great and could probably use an upgrade, so I'd go for a cheaper card and a better monitor over a 5090.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:53:04 No.103925254
>>103925224
The 5070, 5070 Ti, & 5080 will tremendously benefit from a SUPER refresh this time next year with 3GB VRAM chips.
This is shaping up to be one of the most anemic next-gens in awhile even if the price is stable. I don't know what's worse having a sizable uplift and price increases like the 5090 or this situation with the rest of the product stack.
The 5070, 5070 Ti, & 5080 will tremendously benefit from a SUPER refresh this time next year with 3GB VRAM chips.
This is shaping up to be one of the most anemic next-gens in awhile even if the price is stable. I don't know what's worse having a sizable uplift and price increases like the 5090 or this situation with the rest of the product stack.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:53:23 No.103925256
>>103922337
Tell me what to build /g/
Use: fuck around with training ai models & Gaming & watching movies/tv & maybe running a vm for my kid to play roblox on another workstation like serupm
Budget: $7500
Already have monitors, headphones, keyboards & mice, so just advise me the most epic box i can build with this budget
Tell me what to build /g/
Use: fuck around with training ai models & Gaming & watching movies/tv & maybe running a vm for my kid to play roblox on another workstation like serupm
Budget: $7500
Already have monitors, headphones, keyboards & mice, so just advise me the most epic box i can build with this budget
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:54:24 No.103925264
>>103925159
I was still broke in uni then, otherwise that was definitely the time I was gonna jump in.
>>103925210
So, recommendation is what?
I was still broke in uni then, otherwise that was definitely the time I was gonna jump in.
>>103925210
So, recommendation is what?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:54:54 No.103925267
>>103925254
Super refresh only happens if they don't sell it if AMD has a competitor in the midrange.
Super refresh only happens if they don't sell it if AMD has a competitor in the midrange.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:56:09 No.103925274
>>103925252
No offense taken, thanks very much for the tip, I have been thinking about dabbling into 4k monitors as well so I'll probably grab one of the recommended ones on top of it
No offense taken, thanks very much for the tip, I have been thinking about dabbling into 4k monitors as well so I'll probably grab one of the recommended ones on top of it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:56:27 No.103925276
>>103925256
Buy an A100.
Buy an A100.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:57:03 No.103925281
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:57:30 No.103925284
>>103924919
I actually did
I actually did
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:57:40 No.103925285
>>103925267
We're looking at single-digit raster uplifts I don't see how it sells well it's a glorified a RTX 4000 SUPER DUPER.
We're looking at single-digit raster uplifts I don't see how it sells well it's a glorified a RTX 4000 SUPER DUPER.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:58:56 No.103925294
>>103925281
Easy, thanks very much, I'll keep an ear to the ground
Easy, thanks very much, I'll keep an ear to the ground
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)21:59:07 No.103925298
>>103925285
Marketing, the whole 5070==4090 was making waves around normies and even streamers. Everyone was making memes on how 4090 owners got scammed now that a card worth $540 could match it when they bought it for $1500
Marketing, the whole 5070==4090 was making waves around normies and even streamers. Everyone was making memes on how 4090 owners got scammed now that a card worth $540 could match it when they bought it for $1500
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:00:09 No.103925304
>>103925298
the only people who got truly scammed were 4060 owners
the only people who got truly scammed were 4060 owners
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:02:21 No.103925318
>>103922337
4070ti super and 5 7600x because of cooling space issue, did I fuck up with this combo 64gb ddr5 @6000 cl30 gen 4 m.2
I wanted a super build for several years now but I feel like I could have squeezed more out of the cpu
4070ti super and 5 7600x because of cooling space issue, did I fuck up with this combo 64gb ddr5 @6000 cl30 gen 4 m.2
I wanted a super build for several years now but I feel like I could have squeezed more out of the cpu
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:03:04 No.103925323
>>103925318
idk but if you're not using that ram you wasted a lot of money
idk but if you're not using that ram you wasted a lot of money
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:03:26 No.103925326
i just realized im prob going to buy a 2nd AM5 mobo when i upgrade again whatever's after 11800X3D
or do you guys just let old CPUs go to waste and not even repurpose it for HTPC or something? The 7700X will prob still be amazing for an HTPC i assume in 3-4 years so it seems like a waste to just take it off and do nothing with it (wil prob be $50 by then too so not gonna bother selling)
or do you guys just let old CPUs go to waste and not even repurpose it for HTPC or something? The 7700X will prob still be amazing for an HTPC i assume in 3-4 years so it seems like a waste to just take it off and do nothing with it (wil prob be $50 by then too so not gonna bother selling)
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:03:46 No.103925328
>>103924105
It's rather 25% but should have been at least 50%. I remember the rumor going "up to 75%" and this would have been an instabuy for me even for €2500+. Alternatively the card should have been €1750 to be worth it.
It's rather 25% but should have been at least 50%. I remember the rumor going "up to 75%" and this would have been an instabuy for me even for €2500+. Alternatively the card should have been €1750 to be worth it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:04:29 No.103925334
>>103925323
I do a ton of editing maybe it’s overkill 200 extra dollars in 3 years time won’t mean shit
I do a ton of editing maybe it’s overkill 200 extra dollars in 3 years time won’t mean shit
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:04:41 No.103925338
>>103925298
normalfags are in for a rude awakening
normalfags are in for a rude awakening
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:04:46 No.103925341
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:05:12 No.103925345
>>103925318
No, that's a pretty beefy and well balanced system. You might be able to tune the timings on that kit down to CL28 with some fangling if your IMC plays nicely IDK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlYxmRcdLVw
No, that's a pretty beefy and well balanced system. You might be able to tune the timings on that kit down to CL28 with some fangling if your IMC plays nicely IDK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlY
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:06:08 No.103925353
>>103925334
I would have put more in the CPU and 32 gb ram personally
I would have put more in the CPU and 32 gb ram personally
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:07:17 No.103925360
>>103925304
Why are you so mad that Nvidia's 8 GB aged better than your Radeon 16 GB >>103923571
Just accept it and move on. Learn from your mistakes and make better decisions next time
Why are you so mad that Nvidia's 8 GB aged better than your Radeon 16 GB >>103923571
Just accept it and move on. Learn from your mistakes and make better decisions next time
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:07:35 No.103925362
>>103925326
I usually just give old builds to friends or senpai
I usually just give old builds to friends or senpai
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:08:34 No.103925366
>>103925328
50% uplift on the same node would've been some shit, maybe they peaked a bit too early with ada since that was 60% uplift but with node shrink
50% uplift on the same node would've been some shit, maybe they peaked a bit too early with ada since that was 60% uplift but with node shrink
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:08:41 No.103925368
>>103925328
most of the tests I've seen it's like 12-15% better max
most of the tests I've seen it's like 12-15% better max
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:09:10 No.103925370
how long will 16gb be good for? I realize it's already limited for mid to heavy use, but what about for basic web browsing?
My parents need their computer updated and I'm thinking of just getting them the new base mac mini. But I'm not sure how future proof 16gb is.
My parents need their computer updated and I'm thinking of just getting them the new base mac mini. But I'm not sure how future proof 16gb is.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:09:25 No.103925375
>>103922405
This only matters if you're poor. You save a couple 100 dollars but waste 2 years of your life waiting when you could've just had a better experience sooner.
This only matters if you're poor. You save a couple 100 dollars but waste 2 years of your life waiting when you could've just had a better experience sooner.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:09:42 No.103925378
>>103925360
post more recent benchmarks of the 4060 getting bodied by Intel LOL
post more recent benchmarks of the 4060 getting bodied by Intel LOL
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:10:54 No.103925385
>>103925370
my dad got scammed and got a laptop from some Indian poo place on Amazon it was supposed to have 8 gb ram but only came with 6 idk how that happened but it struggles doing basic shit, Win 11 home is bloat and uses 6 gb doing nothing, so 8 is minimum, preferably 16.
my dad got scammed and got a laptop from some Indian poo place on Amazon it was supposed to have 8 gb ram but only came with 6 idk how that happened but it struggles doing basic shit, Win 11 home is bloat and uses 6 gb doing nothing, so 8 is minimum, preferably 16.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:10:54 No.103925386
>>103925370
they'll be fine.
they'll be fine.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:11:56 No.103925389
>>103924417
>what's with those 9 pin connectors, another new standard? i don't see it on other brands
It's Super Flower's proprietary connector, it should be safer to have each of the 9 pins delivering less current than a PCIe 8 pin connector format.
The only negative about that PSU is the relatively higher noise level starting at about 800W load (Standard+ rating).
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2196/
>what's with those 9 pin connectors, another new standard? i don't see it on other brands
It's Super Flower's proprietary connector, it should be safer to have each of the 9 pins delivering less current than a PCIe 8 pin connector format.
The only negative about that PSU is the relatively higher noise level starting at about 800W load (Standard+ rating).
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluati
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:12:07 No.103925390
>>103925370
Basic web browsing? I would think at least 5-7 more years. You are putting an ad blocker that system right?
Basic web browsing? I would think at least 5-7 more years. You are putting an ad blocker that system right?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:12:30 No.103925392
>>103925370
If you open a billion chrome tabs 16gb is definitely not enough
If you open a billion chrome tabs 16gb is definitely not enough
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:14:10 No.103925399
>>103925378
Arc isn't great in Unreal, unfortunately.
At least it has XMX XeSS to help it out, unlike Radeon which has to use dp4a XeSS and often suffers a substantial performance penalty
Arc isn't great in Unreal, unfortunately.
At least it has XMX XeSS to help it out, unlike Radeon which has to use dp4a XeSS and often suffers a substantial performance penalty
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:15:24 No.103925406
>>103924845
I don't think the Peerless Assassin mini I suggested earlier would even fit that configuration.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WW88TW/thermalright-peerless-assassin-mini-6687-cfm-cpu-cooler-peerless-assassin-120-mini-black
I don't think the Peerless Assassin mini I suggested earlier would even fit that configuration.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WW
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:15:48 No.103925408
>>103925370
I was already using 2x16GB during AM4 days just cause of multi-monitors and modding games like Cities Skylines
Heard people who played Tarkov needed it too but never played that
I was already using 2x16GB during AM4 days just cause of multi-monitors and modding games like Cities Skylines
Heard people who played Tarkov needed it too but never played that
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:16:49 No.103925416
>dynasty warriors origin
i wonder if my 7900xtx can play this decently at 4K
i wonder if my 7900xtx can play this decently at 4K
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:18:30 No.103925422
>>103925022
Some classic brands like Seasonic supply plenty of SATA & molex power cables.
https://seasonic.com/prime-gx/
Some classic brands like Seasonic supply plenty of SATA & molex power cables.
https://seasonic.com/prime-gx/
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:19:14 No.103925428
>>103925422
>tfw you have a shit ton of useless cables
if anybody needs molex cables I got them.
Also I have a shit ton of pci es.
>tfw you have a shit ton of useless cables
if anybody needs molex cables I got them.
Also I have a shit ton of pci es.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:19:48 No.103925431
>>103924600
AMD introduced with one of their recent AGESA BIOS libs a mode coined "Turbo" that if activated (in BIOS or with mobo manufacturer tools under Windows) simply disables the CCD that has no VCache so that in games all threads will run on the CCD with VCache only and not distributed over both CCDs resulting in the necessity to synchronize them, creating overhead. This inter CCD communication was the reason for the 7900X3Ds to perform poorly in games. In turbo mode you effectively run a 7800X3D/9800X3D, as if the other, non-VCache CCD didn't exist.
AMD introduced with one of their recent AGESA BIOS libs a mode coined "Turbo" that if activated (in BIOS or with mobo manufacturer tools under Windows) simply disables the CCD that has no VCache so that in games all threads will run on the CCD with VCache only and not distributed over both CCDs resulting in the necessity to synchronize them, creating overhead. This inter CCD communication was the reason for the 7900X3Ds to perform poorly in games. In turbo mode you effectively run a 7800X3D/9800X3D, as if the other, non-VCache CCD didn't exist.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:28:24 No.103925483
>>103925210
>Most of them are more.
So keep an eye on ebay and be patient and you can buy one of the cheapest ones.
>Not worth buying a six year old card that's about to die
Most cards don't die before they become obsolete. The risk is fairly low. If it does happen, you can recover a decent chunk of your cash by reselling as broken/for parts.
>Most of them are more.
So keep an eye on ebay and be patient and you can buy one of the cheapest ones.
>Not worth buying a six year old card that's about to die
Most cards don't die before they become obsolete. The risk is fairly low. If it does happen, you can recover a decent chunk of your cash by reselling as broken/for parts.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:29:43 No.103925491
Can someone recommend a case under 19 inches tall?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:30:12 No.103925496
>>103925067
If it cost anywhere near a 4090 I won't get it
If it cost anywhere near a 4090 I won't get it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:30:18 No.103925498
Much better! But man these cables are a bitch.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:33:32 No.103925517
>>103925370
Long time for web browsing
I have a craptop with 4 GB sysRAM that still works (kind of, just don't try to stream 4K video, and I use a tab suspender extension)
>>103925416
You can
Almost anything can, really
Long time for web browsing
I have a craptop with 4 GB sysRAM that still works (kind of, just don't try to stream 4K video, and I use a tab suspender extension)
>>103925416
You can
Almost anything can, really
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:33:34 No.103925519
>>103925498
hell yeah sffbro
hell yeah sffbro
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:37:10 No.103925536
>>103925519
its my new work machine basically. going to carry it between remote at home and work since my laptop is so underpowered that work gave us. I can use my main desktop, but I decided to build one specifically for work to keep everything separate. likely going to get a widescreen at some point for it. for now, my 4K display will do.
its my new work machine basically. going to carry it between remote at home and work since my laptop is so underpowered that work gave us. I can use my main desktop, but I decided to build one specifically for work to keep everything separate. likely going to get a widescreen at some point for it. for now, my 4K display will do.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:40:33 No.103925551
>>103925498
newfriends are always obsessing about thermal paste or scared that they'll fuck up the socket, but the real trouble is always the cables
newfriends are always obsessing about thermal paste or scared that they'll fuck up the socket, but the real trouble is always the cables
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:41:34 No.103925556
>>103925491
are you the same anon from the other day that couldn't remove the drawers from your desk?
are you the same anon from the other day that couldn't remove the drawers from your desk?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:42:06 No.103925559
>>103925498
oh wow, is that a second m.2 slot? Nice.
oh wow, is that a second m.2 slot? Nice.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:42:46 No.103925565
>>103925551
nah, I never worry about socket stuff. been building computers for too long to think about that. but this is my first time making a mini itx and man this is quite the headache
nah, I never worry about socket stuff. been building computers for too long to think about that. but this is my first time making a mini itx and man this is quite the headache
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:42:48 No.103925567
>>103924127
I changed a bunch of settings in the bios, maxed the pl1 and 2, was in gear 2 so switched to 1. Got a noticeable bump in performance 10 frames or so in what i was testing. So thanks to those who helped.
I changed a bunch of settings in the bios, maxed the pl1 and 2, was in gear 2 so switched to 1. Got a noticeable bump in performance 10 frames or so in what i was testing. So thanks to those who helped.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:43:18 No.103925569
>>103925565
yeah, I didn't mean you
yeah, I didn't mean you
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:43:55 No.103925571
>>103925498
id have stayed sffpc if they sent a refresh of the NR200 with metal top panel instead of the shitty plastic (my old NR200 it's not well aligned at the top)
The white NR200 looks so great that neither the Lian Li A3 or AP201 can match, like so good you can just plop in black PC parts in it and it'll look amazing because the white really gives it a clean contrast
id have stayed sffpc if they sent a refresh of the NR200 with metal top panel instead of the shitty plastic (my old NR200 it's not well aligned at the top)
The white NR200 looks so great that neither the Lian Li A3 or AP201 can match, like so good you can just plop in black PC parts in it and it'll look amazing because the white really gives it a clean contrast
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:45:38 No.103925578
>>103925556
answer the question nigger
answer the question nigger
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:46:08 No.103925584
>>103925551
the child lock safety bar on am5 scares me
the child lock safety bar on am5 scares me
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:46:44 No.103925588
>>103925578
I thought so
I thought so
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:48:03 No.103925594
>>103925584
the amount of force required scares the shit out of me too
the amount of force required scares the shit out of me too
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:49:42 No.103925600
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:50:43 No.103925605
>>103925594
I thought I was gonna break my board on the last build
I thought I was gonna break my board on the last build
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:51:35 No.103925609
>>103924845
>>103925498
>goes for the smallest case possible
>complains there is no room
If you have fun with loud, overheating and small ass cases sure go for it but stop complaining.
Just go for a mid tower like a normal person if it bothers you so much.
>>103925498
>goes for the smallest case possible
>complains there is no room
If you have fun with loud, overheating and small ass cases sure go for it but stop complaining.
Just go for a mid tower like a normal person if it bothers you so much.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)22:54:12 No.103925623
>>103925609
Does anyone read? Did you not read my use case
Does anyone read? Did you not read my use case
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)23:01:52 No.103925663
>>103925551
I've been building for over 10 years
I'm still paranoid.
It's one of those things where you have no idea how much force something takes to break, until it's broken and now you're out hundreds
It's why all my cables have extra slack as to not put stress on connectors. It's why I hate DDR4 and DDR5 as the insertion force is insane for some reason, it literally bends the board trying to do it as intended.
I've been building for over 10 years
I'm still paranoid.
It's one of those things where you have no idea how much force something takes to break, until it's broken and now you're out hundreds
It's why all my cables have extra slack as to not put stress on connectors. It's why I hate DDR4 and DDR5 as the insertion force is insane for some reason, it literally bends the board trying to do it as intended.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)23:09:53 No.103925713
>>103925609
He needs an SFF PC to carry from his home to work because his work-issued laptop isn't good enough.
The PC size makes sense for his needs.
He needs an SFF PC to carry from his home to work because his work-issued laptop isn't good enough.
The PC size makes sense for his needs.