/pcbg/ - PC Building General
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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q4 2024)
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous:>>103912980
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/inde
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/be
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Previous:>>103912980
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:44:21 No.103918180
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:44:46 No.103918183
I'm buying Sapphire Pulse 9070 XT
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:45:22 No.103918191
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:45:59 No.103918198
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss-assetto-corsa-evo-honkai-star-rail-smite-2/?linkId=100000329281199
Why is DLAA still in beta? Sounds more useful than Multi Frame Gen.
Why is DLAA still in beta? Sounds more useful than Multi Frame Gen.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:46:15 No.103918201
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:48:45 No.103918223
>>103918198
DLAA is abandonware. It was very good but Nvidia doesn't care about it anymore.
DLAA is abandonware. It was very good but Nvidia doesn't care about it anymore.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:50:18 No.103918240
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:50:24 No.103918242
>>103918198
>>103918223
Isn't DLAA the same DLSS thing except without the lower resolution part? Wouldn't working on DLSS mean DLAA is also being worked on?
>>103918223
Isn't DLAA the same DLSS thing except without the lower resolution part? Wouldn't working on DLSS mean DLAA is also being worked on?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:51:33 No.103918253
>>103918191
Get a cheap high core count CPU like the Ryzen 9 7900 or i7-14700k and their respective b series boards (b650 for AMD, b760 for intel). And get a (2x32gb) 64gb kit of 5600mhz ram.
Get a cheap high core count CPU like the Ryzen 9 7900 or i7-14700k and their respective b series boards (b650 for AMD, b760 for intel). And get a (2x32gb) 64gb kit of 5600mhz ram.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:52:36 No.103918265
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:54:12 No.103918272
>>103918242
kek imagine 4k dlaa on a 5090
kek imagine 4k dlaa on a 5090
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:54:55 No.103918280
>>103918183
I have 7900xt I'm probably not buyiing a new GPU for a few years. Also I feel like my 850w PSU is kind of pushing the limit of what this old house's wiring can handle since even when I play now it's enough for someone to plug a portable heater on the same breaker and it kicks out.
Also my PC pic it's a year old but I only posted it when I built it and didn't have time to check if I got any comments back then.
I have 7900xt I'm probably not buyiing a new GPU for a few years. Also I feel like my 850w PSU is kind of pushing the limit of what this old house's wiring can handle since even when I play now it's enough for someone to plug a portable heater on the same breaker and it kicks out.
Also my PC pic it's a year old but I only posted it when I built it and didn't have time to check if I got any comments back then.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:55:17 No.103918282
>>103918253
Not 6000cl30?
Not 6000cl30?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:55:32 No.103918287
>>103918272
I mean's just Native with a much better AA filter, if there's no RT then a 5090 would be fine.
People just don't really seem to grasp how big 4K is in terms of rays
I mean's just Native with a much better AA filter, if there's no RT then a 5090 would be fine.
People just don't really seem to grasp how big 4K is in terms of rays
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:55:51 No.103918290
>>103918253
couldnt I go down to even a ryzen 7?
couldnt I go down to even a ryzen 7?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:57:43 No.103918307
>>103918191
Like the other anon said, you can find deals on either the 7900/X or the 14700K for under $300 from time to time.
7900/X would be the more power efficient choice.
Like the other anon said, you can find deals on either the 7900/X or the 14700K for under $300 from time to time.
7900/X would be the more power efficient choice.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:58:04 No.103918311
What's a good setup for a low power NAS desktop? I will probably use it only as that but I could stream 1080p shit over it in the future idk.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:58:13 No.103918312
>>103918282
go to pcpartpicker and use the memory filter, stick ddr 5 and first word latency max 10ns with your preferred capacity.
pick the lowest latency for your preferred price range
go to pcpartpicker and use the memory filter, stick ddr 5 and first word latency max 10ns with your preferred capacity.
pick the lowest latency for your preferred price range
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)10:59:02 No.103918327
>>103918282
That's gaming ram and cl30 is a fair bit pricier than the typical micron ddr5 stuff. Like for the same price of 6000cl30 2x32gb, you can get 5200cl44 2x48gb of ram.
>>103918290
Sure but Ryzen 7s are much weaker for only have 8 cores
That's gaming ram and cl30 is a fair bit pricier than the typical micron ddr5 stuff. Like for the same price of 6000cl30 2x32gb, you can get 5200cl44 2x48gb of ram.
>>103918290
Sure but Ryzen 7s are much weaker for only have 8 cores
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:00:20 No.103918341
After updating my AM5 bios to the latest I can't seem to properly activate EXPO without my entire PC not being able to restart, it's being stuck in either code 00 or 0d, what gives?
If I turn off EXPO everything just goes on fine, is my board bricked or is this an AyyyMD thing? It was working fine until I updated which I tend not to do very much.
If I turn off EXPO everything just goes on fine, is my board bricked or is this an AyyyMD thing? It was working fine until I updated which I tend not to do very much.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:03:23 No.103918376
Does Amazon not allow preorders on products? I want the ASRock AMD B850 Pro RS, but I only see it listed for preorder on Newegg. I found the product page for it on Amazon, but it just does the whole "we don't know when or if this product will be in stock" thing.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:03:40 No.103918380
>>103918327
what power supply W? if it's mainly just developer stuff? I dont think I'll be using the gpu much if at all
what power supply W? if it's mainly just developer stuff? I dont think I'll be using the gpu much if at all
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:04:25 No.103918390
>>103918110
Can someone explain to me this "core parking" issue the 9900x/9950x has? I am looking for a general workstation/productivity CPU not necessarily for gayming but I heard it has to use some windows game bar bullshit. If anyone has any recs would appreciate it.
Can someone explain to me this "core parking" issue the 9900x/9950x has? I am looking for a general workstation/productivity CPU not necessarily for gayming but I heard it has to use some windows game bar bullshit. If anyone has any recs would appreciate it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:05:09 No.103918400
update on my work developer computer
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:05:24 No.103918402
>>103918341
Share your memory configuration, if you are using 4 DDR5 modules you need to manually tune voltage, speed, and timings.
Did you update a beta BIOS? Stay on a stable version.
Revert all BIOS settings to its optimized defaults and reflash the latest stable BIOS if you can’t find a solution.
Share your memory configuration, if you are using 4 DDR5 modules you need to manually tune voltage, speed, and timings.
Did you update a beta BIOS? Stay on a stable version.
Revert all BIOS settings to its optimized defaults and reflash the latest stable BIOS if you can’t find a solution.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:05:29 No.103918406
>>103918341
rule of thumb is try both profiles 1 and 2 if you have them, let the bios let the memory memorize its stuff correctly once you restart, may take a few minutes, also ensure latest bios.
rule of thumb is try both profiles 1 and 2 if you have them, let the bios let the memory memorize its stuff correctly once you restart, may take a few minutes, also ensure latest bios.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:09:13 No.103918456
>>103918406
also test using memtest for both profiles
also test using memtest for both profiles
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:14:44 No.103918511
>>103918400
If you haven’t kept up with the news, update that board BIOS to one that has the 0x12B microcode. This will stop the CPU from requesting fatally high voltages.
Also go to Advanced CPU Configuration, change CPU Lite Load to [Advanced] and lower the CPU AC load line from Auto (110 or 1.1mOhms) to somewhere between 60-80. The lower, the less voltage your CPU will receive under high current workloads (too low can cause instabilities)
This removes some of the unnecessary auto overvolting without causing stability issues on all but the worst 14700K bins.
If you haven’t kept up with the news, update that board BIOS to one that has the 0x12B microcode. This will stop the CPU from requesting fatally high voltages.
Also go to Advanced CPU Configuration, change CPU Lite Load to [Advanced] and lower the CPU AC load line from Auto (110 or 1.1mOhms) to somewhere between 60-80. The lower, the less voltage your CPU will receive under high current workloads (too low can cause instabilities)
This removes some of the unnecessary auto overvolting without causing stability issues on all but the worst 14700K bins.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:20:46 No.103918570
>>103918511
so is that really whats going on with intel?
so is that really whats going on with intel?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:24:00 No.103918599
>We through and added a 12400 and a 5600x for another round of test in addition to 9800x3d
>The short answer to the question of weather it changes the performance in a way that reflects our opinion of the review is NO
AMDunboxed MISINFO UTERALLY DESTROYED
>The short answer to the question of weather it changes the performance in a way that reflects our opinion of the review is NO
AMDunboxed MISINFO UTERALLY DESTROYED
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:25:21 No.103918616
>>103918511
on an msi board you can just go to lite load 9
on an msi board you can just go to lite load 9
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:27:33 No.103918653
>>103918599
qrd?
qrd?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:28:38 No.103918669
>>103918599
Didn't the original test feature pre alder lake CPUs simulating the ultimate poorfag wich should be the market for this card
Didn't the original test feature pre alder lake CPUs simulating the ultimate poorfag wich should be the market for this card
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:28:53 No.103918673
>>103918570
Yes, I’m not shitting on Intel. This is the bare minimum you need to do if you buy into 13/14th gen -K CPUs.
You should also set a 1.45V CPU Core VR limit on the same Advanced CPU section to stop that CPU from ever requesting more voltages.
https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/post/1633239
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/impact-of-intel-microcode-0x12b-on-content-creation-performance/?srsltid=AfmBOopDUX6gWfT_jGKUtB4LLoB-OlPHg_lP23HB7VX_UnvqvDldMn_V
You should also update an AMD AM5 board to the latest stable version if you go that route.
Yes, I’m not shitting on Intel. This is the bare minimum you need to do if you buy into 13/14th gen -K CPUs.
You should also set a 1.45V CPU Core VR limit on the same Advanced CPU section to stop that CPU from ever requesting more voltages.
https://community.intel.com/t5/Blog
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a
You should also update an AMD AM5 board to the latest stable version if you go that route.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:28:56 No.103918674
>>103918653
Hardware unboxed (certified AMD shill) said battlemage is trash on low end cpu but gamernexus found nothing out of the ordinary
Hardware unboxed (certified AMD shill) said battlemage is trash on low end cpu but gamernexus found nothing out of the ordinary
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:30:26 No.103918698
>>103918673
give me a mini itx amd build for general programming and docker related stuff. Will use windows. I want to be able to carry it between home and work. Assume I have monitors and mouses waiting at both locations to simply hook in.
give me a mini itx amd build for general programming and docker related stuff. Will use windows. I want to be able to carry it between home and work. Assume I have monitors and mouses waiting at both locations to simply hook in.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:30:51 No.103918703
>>103918511
>Also go to Advanced CPU Configuration, change CPU Lite Load to [Advanced] and lower the CPU AC load line from Auto (110 or 1.1mOhms) to somewhere between 60-80. The lower, the less voltage your CPU will receive under high current workloads
Auto should have the correct AC/DC load-line for the actual Vcore plane.
I know on my Asrock it went from 1.1 to 0.540 which makes sense given its a high end board.
>>103918570
It's a compounding issue of motherhood vendors doing whatever the hell they want and Intel releasing silicon that requests excessive voltages when parts of the CPU are particularly sensitive.
Misconfigured baords + CPUs requesting 1.6V = a bad time.
>Also go to Advanced CPU Configuration, change CPU Lite Load to [Advanced] and lower the CPU AC load line from Auto (110 or 1.1mOhms) to somewhere between 60-80. The lower, the less voltage your CPU will receive under high current workloads
Auto should have the correct AC/DC load-line for the actual Vcore plane.
I know on my Asrock it went from 1.1 to 0.540 which makes sense given its a high end board.
>>103918570
It's a compounding issue of motherhood vendors doing whatever the hell they want and Intel releasing silicon that requests excessive voltages when parts of the CPU are particularly sensitive.
Misconfigured baords + CPUs requesting 1.6V = a bad time.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:30:55 No.103918704
>>103918674
I only trust Tech Jesus
I only trust Tech Jesus
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:31:35 No.103918716
>>103918703
so why is intel misbehaving then? Or they trying to force the mobo manufacturers?
so why is intel misbehaving then? Or they trying to force the mobo manufacturers?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:31:44 No.103918718
>>103918698
Get an M4 Mini.
Get an M4 Mini.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:32:15 No.103918723
>>103918718
Im not touching MacOs.
Im not touching MacOs.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:33:15 No.103918736
>>103918723
Install gentoo on it
Install gentoo on it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:33:53 No.103918746
>>103918402
>>103918406
I'm just using 2 32GB DDR5 6000CL30 G-skill kit, memtested them when I bought them and they came clean
I'm on 7800X3D with a MSI X670E Ace board
I updated my bios because why not, I can use EXPO but my PC can't restart properly which is not ideal
>>103918406
I'm just using 2 32GB DDR5 6000CL30 G-skill kit, memtested them when I bought them and they came clean
I'm on 7800X3D with a MSI X670E Ace board
I updated my bios because why not, I can use EXPO but my PC can't restart properly which is not ideal
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:34:36 No.103918753
>>103918653
Intel renewed their sponsorship with gamersnexus
Intel renewed their sponsorship with gamersnexus
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:36:49 No.103918778
>>103918736
Im using windows. Required for work.
Im using windows. Required for work.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:37:23 No.103918786
>>103918778
Bootcamp.
Bootcamp.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:37:28 No.103918788
>>103918674
>AMDUnboxed
These people are unreal. When Nvidia showed off their gpu they shat on them but when AMD showed nothing they act like amd won.
>AMDUnboxed
These people are unreal. When Nvidia showed off their gpu they shat on them but when AMD showed nothing they act like amd won.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:38:46 No.103918802
>>103918716
It's misbehaving because the CPUs are being fed excessive voltages which kill them over time.
Part of the problem is the CPUs making voltage requests that kill parts of the CPU, another part is motherboards are misconfigured by their vendors which means the CPUs are requesting even more voltage which accelerate the process.
It's a clusterfuck and if you believe Intel it should all be fixed for new owners but if you still have a bad CPU then you can warranty it.
It's misbehaving because the CPUs are being fed excessive voltages which kill them over time.
Part of the problem is the CPUs making voltage requests that kill parts of the CPU, another part is motherboards are misconfigured by their vendors which means the CPUs are requesting even more voltage which accelerate the process.
It's a clusterfuck and if you believe Intel it should all be fixed for new owners but if you still have a bad CPU then you can warranty it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:40:23 No.103918833
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:43:19 No.103918876
>>103918746
>my PC can't restart properly which is not ideal
can you explain more? I may have ran into a similar issue before.
>my PC can't restart properly which is not ideal
can you explain more? I may have ran into a similar issue before.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:46:57 No.103918916
>>103918788
>but when AMD showed nothing they act like amd won
sounds a lot like AMDelusionals in this general
>but when AMD showed nothing they act like amd won
sounds a lot like AMDelusionals in this general
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:48:20 No.103918939
>>103918703
>Auto should have the correct AC/DC load-line for the actual Vcore plane.
>I know on my Asrock it went from 1.1 to 0.540 which makes sense given its a high end board.
This isn't how MSI sets their Intel Default BIOS settings, see the pic.
That is a higher-end board with very low power plane resistance.
I am 100% stable with 0.15/0.15 CPU AC/DC LL at 0.15mOhm VR LLC, with a 0.145V negative adaptive offset to the CPU (no clock stretching).
I know I can set both load lines even lower, but I like to keep some droop in my daily system.
MSI just likes to make sure the crappiest CPUs can run on their board to reduce RMAs.
>>103918698
I'll write up something in like 20 min, I want to cover more interesting topic for the next reply.
>Auto should have the correct AC/DC load-line for the actual Vcore plane.
>I know on my Asrock it went from 1.1 to 0.540 which makes sense given its a high end board.
This isn't how MSI sets their Intel Default BIOS settings, see the pic.
That is a higher-end board with very low power plane resistance.
I am 100% stable with 0.15/0.15 CPU AC/DC LL at 0.15mOhm VR LLC, with a 0.145V negative adaptive offset to the CPU (no clock stretching).
I know I can set both load lines even lower, but I like to keep some droop in my daily system.
MSI just likes to make sure the crappiest CPUs can run on their board to reduce RMAs.
>>103918698
I'll write up something in like 20 min, I want to cover more interesting topic for the next reply.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:48:53 No.103918944
wait, will microcenter/best buy have 5090 founders editions? or will that only be available through online nvidia official store?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:50:02 No.103918959
>>103918944
both
both
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:54:27 No.103919002
>>103918959
so i gotta arrive at 5am? sheeeit.........
so i gotta arrive at 5am? sheeeit.........
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:54:35 No.103919006
I will be buying a 5090 not for gayming , AI , video encoding or compute but because I want a 575w load to test my custom loop
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:56:41 No.103919022
>>103919006
bsaed
bsaed
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:57:01 No.103919029
Amd won the generation
If you're not going 5090, you go for a much cheaper 9070xt that performs like a 4080. Simple as.
If you're not going 5090, you go for a much cheaper 9070xt that performs like a 4080. Simple as.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:57:48 No.103919041
>>103918876
>have a working 7800X3D + 4090 + 64GB rig for 2 years
>only updated BIOS when I first bought my stuff, left it ever since
>now that I saw a working non-beta BIOS on MSI's website I upgraded to the latest along with all of my old ass drivers
>maybe this is just a MSI thing but the new BIOS removed the splash screen but spamming Del brought me to the BIOS
>a restart will simply get stuck at code 00 and 0d which means nothing to MSI and I have to shut it down manually and power it on for it to boot properly if I turn EXPO on
>with EXPO off everything is fine
>have tried Buildzoid's manual profiles for this specific memory and still no dice
>now I'm currently cucked out with a few percentage perfomance points since I've turned EXPO off permanently
>don't want to buy a new motherboard much less a X870E one
>have a working 7800X3D + 4090 + 64GB rig for 2 years
>only updated BIOS when I first bought my stuff, left it ever since
>now that I saw a working non-beta BIOS on MSI's website I upgraded to the latest along with all of my old ass drivers
>maybe this is just a MSI thing but the new BIOS removed the splash screen but spamming Del brought me to the BIOS
>a restart will simply get stuck at code 00 and 0d which means nothing to MSI and I have to shut it down manually and power it on for it to boot properly if I turn EXPO on
>with EXPO off everything is fine
>have tried Buildzoid's manual profiles for this specific memory and still no dice
>now I'm currently cucked out with a few percentage perfomance points since I've turned EXPO off permanently
>don't want to buy a new motherboard much less a X870E one
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:57:57 No.103919045
>>103918939
>This isn't how MSI sets their Intel Default BIOS settings, see the pic.
You should be using BIOS default, not Intel default.
Both exists on my board atleast. The Intel default is based on the recommendations before the patches came out which set a 1.1mohm loadline regardless.
If you have atleast 0x125, a clear CMOS should give set the proper loadline, unless MSI is just that retarded and sets the old Intel defaults as BIOS defaults.
>This isn't how MSI sets their Intel Default BIOS settings, see the pic.
You should be using BIOS default, not Intel default.
Both exists on my board atleast. The Intel default is based on the recommendations before the patches came out which set a 1.1mohm loadline regardless.
If you have atleast 0x125, a clear CMOS should give set the proper loadline, unless MSI is just that retarded and sets the old Intel defaults as BIOS defaults.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)11:59:04 No.103919071
"My ray tracing"
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:00:49 No.103919103
>>103919041
sounds very similar to an issue I had. I may try resetting my CMOS and updating bios using the flash usb (not the GUI), and then imma try resetting memory profile.
sounds very similar to an issue I had. I may try resetting my CMOS and updating bios using the flash usb (not the GUI), and then imma try resetting memory profile.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:01:05 No.103919105
>>103918716
The interesting part about this degrading Intel CPU issue is that the degradation can happen even if you're not a power user/gamer.
These modern CPUs have an algorithm to request excess core voltage when the processor is anticipating a heavy workload soon.
The extra voltage is used to soften the maximum negative overshoot when your CPU starts running something intense like shader precompilation for games or some CPU rendering loads.
The factory-fused V/F table in the higher-end CPUs is programmed to request high (+1.45V) voltages for near-6.0GHz boosts.
Those high VID requests + extra voltage padding = fun time
The best part is, the workload prediction algorithm doesn't get it right all the time so it ends up asking for very high voltage while idling and the CPU isn't booting near 6.0GHz single/favored-two core anyway.
The interesting part about this degrading Intel CPU issue is that the degradation can happen even if you're not a power user/gamer.
These modern CPUs have an algorithm to request excess core voltage when the processor is anticipating a heavy workload soon.
The extra voltage is used to soften the maximum negative overshoot when your CPU starts running something intense like shader precompilation for games or some CPU rendering loads.
The factory-fused V/F table in the higher-end CPUs is programmed to request high (+1.45V) voltages for near-6.0GHz boosts.
Those high VID requests + extra voltage padding = fun time
The best part is, the workload prediction algorithm doesn't get it right all the time so it ends up asking for very high voltage while idling and the CPU isn't booting near 6.0GHz single/favored-two core anyway.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:01:53 No.103919116
>>103918110
How much does nvidia pay each time the OP is made without including other gpu recommendations? Miss me with the retarded "amd/intel makes no good cards" shill point, there's plenty of price brackets where your best money is spent outside nvidia, and the scope of this retardation goes far beyond dedicated fanboyism.
How much does nvidia pay each time the OP is made without including other gpu recommendations? Miss me with the retarded "amd/intel makes no good cards" shill point, there's plenty of price brackets where your best money is spent outside nvidia, and the scope of this retardation goes far beyond dedicated fanboyism.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:02:01 No.103919117
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:02:37 No.103919130
>>103919045
Intel default is the new BIOS default for MSI, kid.
ASRock is ASUS's little bitch, they don't have any authority to establish BIOS defaults for other (older) board vendors.
Intel default is the new BIOS default for MSI, kid.
ASRock is ASUS's little bitch, they don't have any authority to establish BIOS defaults for other (older) board vendors.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:03:21 No.103919139
>>103919116
well that least they got paid. meanwhile ayymd does it FOR FREE
well that least they got paid. meanwhile ayymd does it FOR FREE
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:04:21 No.103919153
>>103919117
I have no clue I'm just talking out my ass, some guy recommended it a previous thread
I have no clue I'm just talking out my ass, some guy recommended it a previous thread
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:05:34 No.103919167
AMD Steve is literally AMDoredTV holy shit
At least GN Steve is more objective
At least GN Steve is more objective
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:05:36 No.103919168
>>103919139
>nvidia spends lots of money on actual shilling while amd is a bunch of dedicated fanboys
Yeah that's what I'm saying here anon.
>nvidia spends lots of money on actual shilling while amd is a bunch of dedicated fanboys
Yeah that's what I'm saying here anon.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:06:44 No.103919182
>>103919130
>Intel default is the new BIOS default for MSI, kid.
So MSI is just retarded
>ASRock is ASUS's little bitch
Can't take the fact MSI can't set their board's correctly and this is the best insult you could muster?
>Intel default is the new BIOS default for MSI, kid.
So MSI is just retarded
>ASRock is ASUS's little bitch
Can't take the fact MSI can't set their board's correctly and this is the best insult you could muster?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:07:17 No.103919186
Probably going to make a mini itx computer build for portability reasons between work and remote.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:08:35 No.103919199
>>103919186
TO add, Im also looking at Intel NUCs and Miniforums. This will be mostly used for programming and docker stuff. The mini itx might be overkill, but there's nothing wrong with having a DIY solution. Plus I can play games with it on the go.
TO add, Im also looking at Intel NUCs and Miniforums. This will be mostly used for programming and docker stuff. The mini itx might be overkill, but there's nothing wrong with having a DIY solution. Plus I can play games with it on the go.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:09:11 No.103919211
>>103919182
>So MSI is just retarded
MSI is guaranteeing even the worst possible Intel 13/14 -K CPUs run stably, which is literally within Intel specs. It's smart business.
If 1.1/1.1 is too high, that's on Intel, not MSI.
Even a Tomahawk board can stably run 0.540mOhm CPU AC LL btw.
>So MSI is just retarded
MSI is guaranteeing even the worst possible Intel 13/14 -K CPUs run stably, which is literally within Intel specs. It's smart business.
If 1.1/1.1 is too high, that's on Intel, not MSI.
Even a Tomahawk board can stably run 0.540mOhm CPU AC LL btw.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:10:49 No.103919230
Can someone explain to me the diff between atx 3 and atx 3.1? what PSU would be needed for a 9900x/9950x and 5070Ti combo, I was thinking a Seasonic GX 1000 with 3.1 standard, apparently the newer 12v6x2 cables are better than the 12PWR ones.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:12:07 No.103919248
4090 has
>2.5x Transistors
>Twice the flops, even in double precision
>33% more Bandwidth
And this one doesn't even say that it is a Nvidia Qudaro RTX A6000!
So what is it good for?
>2.5x Transistors
>Twice the flops, even in double precision
>33% more Bandwidth
And this one doesn't even say that it is a Nvidia Qudaro RTX A6000!
So what is it good for?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:14:14 No.103919272
>>103919167
Y'all already forgetting that the issue was first discovered by hardware Canucks so it's unlikely hub fabricated it?
Y'all already forgetting that the issue was first discovered by hardware Canucks so it's unlikely hub fabricated it?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:18:39 No.103919339
Ok so previous thread some dude has issues with his RAM >>103915804
I bought almost exactly the same setup. Anons were saying C30 is AMD optimized and the correct RAM but my Corsair Vengeance says C30 but on the packaing it says Intel XMP ready and there's no mention of AMD expo. I can't test it yet because CPU is only coming next week I'm thinking of exchanging the RAM
I bought almost exactly the same setup. Anons were saying C30 is AMD optimized and the correct RAM but my Corsair Vengeance says C30 but on the packaing it says Intel XMP ready and there's no mention of AMD expo. I can't test it yet because CPU is only coming next week I'm thinking of exchanging the RAM
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:19:26 No.103919349
Do the b580 overhead issues were either the fault of HC/HBU doing something wrong or Intel stealthily fixed the issue in a driver update before GN did their tests.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:23:02 No.103919399
>>103918674
>4060 on budget CPU's - performance barely changes
>b580 on budget CPU's - performance falls off a cliff
>4060 on budget CPU's - performance barely changes
>b580 on budget CPU's - performance falls off a cliff
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:23:38 No.103919405
>>103919211
They will run much more reliably long term with a correct fucking load-line.
>If 1.1/1.1 is too high, that's on Intel, not MSI.
1.1mohm is the load line for a shitty board and it would be correct for such boards. But not anything remotely high end.
The original recommendations before the patches was Intel flailing to say something as they investigated to shut the retards up. It is however not correct for all boards.
When the patches came out, all board vendors should have set a load line that actually matches the resistance of the power plane this would have been mentioned internally to vendors. The fact they haven't done that is not some galaxy brained maneuver for stability. Even if it was it shows the wrong priorities on MSI's part, trading a handful of RMAs for potentially worse outcomes later.
They will run much more reliably long term with a correct fucking load-line.
>If 1.1/1.1 is too high, that's on Intel, not MSI.
1.1mohm is the load line for a shitty board and it would be correct for such boards. But not anything remotely high end.
The original recommendations before the patches was Intel flailing to say something as they investigated to shut the retards up. It is however not correct for all boards.
When the patches came out, all board vendors should have set a load line that actually matches the resistance of the power plane this would have been mentioned internally to vendors. The fact they haven't done that is not some galaxy brained maneuver for stability. Even if it was it shows the wrong priorities on MSI's part, trading a handful of RMAs for potentially worse outcomes later.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:26:09 No.103919438
>>103919399
>didn't watch the GN video where it shows minimal/zero difference between a 9800x3d and a 5600
>didn't watch the GN video where it shows minimal/zero difference between a 9800x3d and a 5600
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:27:59 No.103919461
>>103919405
>correct fucking load-line.
Except that is the correct load-line according to the recommendations set by Intel you retard.
This is the information Intel shared with tech journalists.
>Intel’s recommended ‘Intel Default Settings’ are a combination of thermal and power delivery features along with a selection of possible power delivery profiles based on motherboard capabilities.
>Intel recommends customers to implement the highest power delivery profile compatible with each individual motherboard design as noted in the table below:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/21389/intel-issues-official-statement-regarding-14th-and-13th-gen-instability-recommends-intel-default-settings
>AC Load Line must match the design target, with a maximum value of 1.1mOhm.
>DC Load Line must be equal to the AC Load Line.
That second requirement is the reason why MSI sets a 1.1mOhm default CPU AC LL.
Because the default VR LLC is set at 1.1mOhm on properly configured Intel default motherboards, and you should know VR LLC impedance = CPU DC LL to get reliable power readings from the board sensors.
>DC LL must be equal to VR LLC impedance
>VR LLC is set at 1.1mOhm on Intel stock defaults
>Therefore, DC LL must be set to 1.1 mOhms
>AC LL must be equal to DC LL per Intel recommendations
>Therefore, AC LL must be set to 1.1 mOhms for stock Intel systems.
This Intel rec. was known way before the issue became public, it was disclosed on 12th gen Z690 tuning posts, created by XOCers that receive test samples from ASUS.
>The Intel recommendation is to use AC_LL = DC_LL and LLC#3 (for asus MB)
>So the intel recommendation is:
>LLC = 1.1 mhom
>AC_LL = 1.1mhom
>DC_LL = 1.1mhom
https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-maximus-z690-extreme-i9-12900k-guide-load-lines-vf-curves-adaptive-voltage-by-core-octvb.1794957/#Undestanding%20the%20LLC,%20DC_LL%20and%20AC_LL%20numbers
Know the actual Intel recommended specs before you brag about your non-compliant ASRock motherboard, at 0.54mOhms kek.
>correct fucking load-line.
Except that is the correct load-line according to the recommendations set by Intel you retard.
This is the information Intel shared with tech journalists.
>Intel’s recommended ‘Intel Default Settings’ are a combination of thermal and power delivery features along with a selection of possible power delivery profiles based on motherboard capabilities.
>Intel recommends customers to implement the highest power delivery profile compatible with each individual motherboard design as noted in the table below:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2138
>AC Load Line must match the design target, with a maximum value of 1.1mOhm.
>DC Load Line must be equal to the AC Load Line.
That second requirement is the reason why MSI sets a 1.1mOhm default CPU AC LL.
Because the default VR LLC is set at 1.1mOhm on properly configured Intel default motherboards, and you should know VR LLC impedance = CPU DC LL to get reliable power readings from the board sensors.
>DC LL must be equal to VR LLC impedance
>VR LLC is set at 1.1mOhm on Intel stock defaults
>Therefore, DC LL must be set to 1.1 mOhms
>AC LL must be equal to DC LL per Intel recommendations
>Therefore, AC LL must be set to 1.1 mOhms for stock Intel systems.
This Intel rec. was known way before the issue became public, it was disclosed on 12th gen Z690 tuning posts, created by XOCers that receive test samples from ASUS.
>The Intel recommendation is to use AC_LL = DC_LL and LLC#3 (for asus MB)
>So the intel recommendation is:
>LLC = 1.1 mhom
>AC_LL = 1.1mhom
>DC_LL = 1.1mhom
https://www.overclock.net/threads/a
Know the actual Intel recommended specs before you brag about your non-compliant ASRock motherboard, at 0.54mOhms kek.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:31:07 No.103919498
Should I buy a 1080p or 1440p monitor for this build?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:33:30 No.103919522
>>103919349
it was AMD propaganda
it was AMD propaganda
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:37:14 No.103919555
>>103919498
Avoid that Radeon card (really any RX 6000 or RX 7000 card)
In new games, the card isn't strong enough, and in old games, you'll be crippled by driver overhead
Avoid that Radeon card (really any RX 6000 or RX 7000 card)
In new games, the card isn't strong enough, and in old games, you'll be crippled by driver overhead
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:38:15 No.103919570
>>103919349
No, depends on choice of game. I can almost guarantee that the driver overhead hasn't been fixed. AMD hasn't been able to fix it for over a decade
No, depends on choice of game. I can almost guarantee that the driver overhead hasn't been fixed. AMD hasn't been able to fix it for over a decade
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:38:46 No.103919577
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:38:48 No.103919578
>>103919438
cope
cope
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:38:58 No.103919579
The 2070 can run Rebirth at 60 fps on 1080p, does that mean the 6600 will achieve similar performance? Please give me some hope.
https://youtu.be/TO-Fnjkt2iA?si=Y50fYcA_CBNf2sqG
https://youtu.be/TO-Fnjkt2iA?si=Y50
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:41:36 No.103919601
>>103919167
What did he do this time?
What did he do this time?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:43:09 No.103919617
Mudrunner, my favorite game
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:47:11 No.103919661
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:47:12 No.103919662
>>103919116
I'm not OP, but you'd have to be retarded to either buy or recommend any current Radeon graphics card for general gaming
>>103918788
Don't forget that AMD handpicked AMDumboxed for its CES briefing along with almost no other outlets. I wonder why?
>>103918674
The driver overhead problem on Arc is real, just like it is on Radeon. The difference is that AMD Steve always covers for Radeon. GN didn't find anything because they barely tested any games, and not the ones where Hardware Canucks or AMDumboxed found the overhead. Anyway, area specific testing is where the issues are most likely to show up. AMD Steve is a master at finding areas to make Radeon look good and Geforce (and now Arc) look bad. He can't hide Radeon's flaws always, which is why he starts stuttering and stammering whenever it does come up
I'm not OP, but you'd have to be retarded to either buy or recommend any current Radeon graphics card for general gaming
>>103918788
Don't forget that AMD handpicked AMDumboxed for its CES briefing along with almost no other outlets. I wonder why?
>>103918674
The driver overhead problem on Arc is real, just like it is on Radeon. The difference is that AMD Steve always covers for Radeon. GN didn't find anything because they barely tested any games, and not the ones where Hardware Canucks or AMDumboxed found the overhead. Anyway, area specific testing is where the issues are most likely to show up. AMD Steve is a master at finding areas to make Radeon look good and Geforce (and now Arc) look bad. He can't hide Radeon's flaws always, which is why he starts stuttering and stammering whenever it does come up
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:48:27 No.103919684
>>103918183
Red Devil here.
Red Devil here.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:48:35 No.103919686
>>103918376
I ordered a b650 pg lightning and now its on wait for the supplier to ship it, im looking to get the b850 pro-a/rs too but im in romania and german amazon says the same thing, tho the local pc gear stores already stocked 95% of the b850 gigabyte lineup and the pricing is obviously dogshit. Theres also some msi ones being stocked as im writing this.
I ordered a b650 pg lightning and now its on wait for the supplier to ship it, im looking to get the b850 pro-a/rs too but im in romania and german amazon says the same thing, tho the local pc gear stores already stocked 95% of the b850 gigabyte lineup and the pricing is obviously dogshit. Theres also some msi ones being stocked as im writing this.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:51:01 No.103919715
>>103919686
From the looks of it, at least in europe, most stores make it available from 21 through 26 january, which is retarded because i already ordered my parts,ffs.
From the looks of it, at least in europe, most stores make it available from 21 through 26 january, which is retarded because i already ordered my parts,ffs.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:51:29 No.103919722
>>103918673
Arguably, if you're buying Radeon or Arc, you need the best CPU possible to get anything close to expected performance (or to avoid being regularly crippled by driver overhead). Of course this flies in the face of Radeon and Arc as budget cards. Having said that, poorfags can't expect a top tier experience
>>103918599
Tech Jesus is often too focused on his own methodology. His test benches are mostly automated, so he has to go outside of his normal workflow / can't reuse data for reviews. I think if he tested a few of the games where overhead was found, he might have a different opinion.
>>103918223
Moron
>>103918242
You are correct
Arguably, if you're buying Radeon or Arc, you need the best CPU possible to get anything close to expected performance (or to avoid being regularly crippled by driver overhead). Of course this flies in the face of Radeon and Arc as budget cards. Having said that, poorfags can't expect a top tier experience
>>103918599
Tech Jesus is often too focused on his own methodology. His test benches are mostly automated, so he has to go outside of his normal workflow / can't reuse data for reviews. I think if he tested a few of the games where overhead was found, he might have a different opinion.
>>103918223
Moron
>>103918242
You are correct
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:55:24 No.103919785
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:55:48 No.103919792
>>103919461
>That second requirement is the reason why MSI sets a 1.1mOhm default CPU AC LL
Good god your clueless or intentionally muddying the waters.
The second required does not mean you must set a 1.1ohm load-line.
It means AC = DC with the AC value being derived from the actual vcore plane resistance. This means, either MSI has excessively lossy power planes up and down the product stack. Or MSI is setting an incorrect value.
It should be mentioned that Intel doesn't force a 1.1mohm load-line but that is just the maximum one can be. A better designed board can have a lower AC-LL and still comply, it just can't be higher than 1.1
>it was disclosed on 12th gen Z690 tuning posts, created by XOCers that receive test samples from ASUS.
Your are literally highlighting part of the problem that led to this moment. Lazy vendors setting 1.1 LL because it hasn't been a problem before, even if it increases the voltage to the CPU above what's necessary.
Now that it's finally bit them on the ass, decent vendors are now setting AC LL correctly based on the physical board rather than a blanket setting.
>That second requirement is the reason why MSI sets a 1.1mOhm default CPU AC LL
Good god your clueless or intentionally muddying the waters.
The second required does not mean you must set a 1.1ohm load-line.
It means AC = DC with the AC value being derived from the actual vcore plane resistance. This means, either MSI has excessively lossy power planes up and down the product stack. Or MSI is setting an incorrect value.
It should be mentioned that Intel doesn't force a 1.1mohm load-line but that is just the maximum one can be. A better designed board can have a lower AC-LL and still comply, it just can't be higher than 1.1
>it was disclosed on 12th gen Z690 tuning posts, created by XOCers that receive test samples from ASUS.
Your are literally highlighting part of the problem that led to this moment. Lazy vendors setting 1.1 LL because it hasn't been a problem before, even if it increases the voltage to the CPU above what's necessary.
Now that it's finally bit them on the ass, decent vendors are now setting AC LL correctly based on the physical board rather than a blanket setting.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)12:56:53 No.103919806
How to register on TechPowerUp?
Im not using vpn, need to share my ARC expirience that important!
Im not using vpn, need to share my ARC expirience that important!
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:00:15 No.103919854
>>103919722
>people spend thousands of dollars on a GPU to play with a game at 90 FPS that looks like a mid-tier game from 2005
>people spend thousands of dollars on a GPU to play with a game at 90 FPS that looks like a mid-tier game from 2005
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:00:29 No.103919861
>>103919230
nobody?
nobody?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:01:34 No.103919873
>>103919792
You are the idiot. 1.1mOhms VR load line calibration is the most widely adopted impedance level for Intel board partners because that minimizes voltage overshoots compared to ones with lower LLC values.
When VR LLC is 1.1mOhms the CPU DC LL has to match that value or your motherboard sensors will report incorrect power readings.
When CPU DC LL are set at 1.1mOhms, AC LL must match that, per Intel specs.
You don't even know some 13900/14900Ks were crashing because those CPUs couldn't run stably with lower AC LL.
I dare you to find one board partner that doesn't set a 1.1mOhm VR LLC impedance value at stock settings.
If they do, Intel specs require CPU AC LL & DC LL to be at 1.1mOhm as well.
https://elmorlabs.com/2019-09-05/vrm-load-line-visualized/
https://skatterbencher.com/2023/01/22/skatterbencher-53-intel-core-i9-13900ks-overclocked-to-6300mhz/#VRM_loadline
You are the idiot. 1.1mOhms VR load line calibration is the most widely adopted impedance level for Intel board partners because that minimizes voltage overshoots compared to ones with lower LLC values.
When VR LLC is 1.1mOhms the CPU DC LL has to match that value or your motherboard sensors will report incorrect power readings.
When CPU DC LL are set at 1.1mOhms, AC LL must match that, per Intel specs.
You don't even know some 13900/14900Ks were crashing because those CPUs couldn't run stably with lower AC LL.
I dare you to find one board partner that doesn't set a 1.1mOhm VR LLC impedance value at stock settings.
If they do, Intel specs require CPU AC LL & DC LL to be at 1.1mOhm as well.
https://elmorlabs.com/2019-09-05/vr
https://skatterbencher.com/2023/01/
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:04:19 No.103919909
>>103919785
Yes, I chose my words carefully. While the 9070 XT will obviously still have the intrinsic problems such as driver overhead, if it's priced right, it might at least be a consideration against the 5070 if FSR4 is good and RT is improved. The trifecta is a real possibility this generation, although of course I'm managing my expectations because we are talking about Another Massive Disappointment here. Having mentioned my hopes, I don't imagine I'll be recommending Radeon as the default option this generation. It's got too many intrinsic flaws to be a clear winner, even if RDNA4 is a massive improvement over previous generations.
>>103919806
>Im not using vpn
>If you think this is in error, contact us here
>>103919861
You have all the understanding you need. If you buy a full modular ATX 3.0 PSU, a lot of the manufacturers will send the new cable at little or no cost. The cable is identical on the PSU side, it's just the shape of the GPU side that's slightly different
Yes, I chose my words carefully. While the 9070 XT will obviously still have the intrinsic problems such as driver overhead, if it's priced right, it might at least be a consideration against the 5070 if FSR4 is good and RT is improved. The trifecta is a real possibility this generation, although of course I'm managing my expectations because we are talking about Another Massive Disappointment here. Having mentioned my hopes, I don't imagine I'll be recommending Radeon as the default option this generation. It's got too many intrinsic flaws to be a clear winner, even if RDNA4 is a massive improvement over previous generations.
>>103919806
>Im not using vpn
>If you think this is in error, contact us here
>>103919861
You have all the understanding you need. If you buy a full modular ATX 3.0 PSU, a lot of the manufacturers will send the new cable at little or no cost. The cable is identical on the PSU side, it's just the shape of the GPU side that's slightly different
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:04:51 No.103919918
>>103918599
>>103918674
AMD ryzen 5000 are shit people just realize that ? pretty dishonest for AMDunboxed they didnt include intel cpu (much stronger single thread) in the cpu overhead test
>>103918674
AMD ryzen 5000 are shit people just realize that ? pretty dishonest for AMDunboxed they didnt include intel cpu (much stronger single thread) in the cpu overhead test
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:05:17 No.103919925
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:05:40 No.103919936
>>103918698
This is a suggested build, you can put in a 7900/X but it will probably thermal throttle with that CPU cooler.
It's a good cooler, but it's not big enough to soak up 180W heat load gracefully.
I didn't pick the SFF/ITX case because you should make the final decision.
Selected parts aren't too big, and that CPU cooler should be compatible with most popular ITX cases.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8DTYWc
This is a suggested build, you can put in a 7900/X but it will probably thermal throttle with that CPU cooler.
It's a good cooler, but it's not big enough to soak up 180W heat load gracefully.
I didn't pick the SFF/ITX case because you should make the final decision.
Selected parts aren't too big, and that CPU cooler should be compatible with most popular ITX cases.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8DTYW
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:06:16 No.103919944
>>103919861
Other than the included cable there's not much difference. 3.0 has a slightly better minimum hold up time but that's not relevant unless you have a mediocre/marginal UPS.
As you said 3.1 should be preferred for the cable since it's slightly less likely to melt. Though how much that'll matter with a <300W card is up for debate.
Other than the included cable there's not much difference. 3.0 has a slightly better minimum hold up time but that's not relevant unless you have a mediocre/marginal UPS.
As you said 3.1 should be preferred for the cable since it's slightly less likely to melt. Though how much that'll matter with a <300W card is up for debate.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:09:07 No.103919994
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:10:36 No.103920015
>>103918669
I was wondering the same thing
there's probably people running CPUs that came out before 2020 looking for a cheap GPU to drop in
I was wondering the same thing
there's probably people running CPUs that came out before 2020 looking for a cheap GPU to drop in
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:11:30 No.103920028
Thoughts on this build? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9v7TrM
use case is general productivity (software dev, VMs. etc.) and gayming on the side.
the 9950x is a placeholder for a 9950x3d depending on price may step down to a 9900x.
The 4070ti super is a placeholder for 5070Ti or an AMD card depending on how they perform.
use case is general productivity (software dev, VMs. etc.) and gayming on the side.
the 9950x is a placeholder for a 9950x3d depending on price may step down to a 9900x.
The 4070ti super is a placeholder for 5070Ti or an AMD card depending on how they perform.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:11:32 No.103920029
>>103919873
You are confusing what the board is configured with to what the board actually is, or you are ignoring it.
LL is not some arbitrary number. It meant to actually represent what the resistance of the plane is. To say 1.1mohm is standard is basically saying all boards from the most garbage $50 boards to XOC boards have the exact same vcore plane characteristics. Which I find hard to believe.
>I dare you to find one board partner that doesn't set a 1.1mOhm VR LLC impedance value at stock settings
Z690 Taichi, it was 1.1 before 0x125 and now it's 0.540 AC/DC after 0x125 with a clear CMOS.
Voltages are now exactly in line with what the CPU is fused with which is 1.404 at 6ghz.
VID requests hover 1.425-1.440, Vcore at the external sensor is 1.400
You are confusing what the board is configured with to what the board actually is, or you are ignoring it.
LL is not some arbitrary number. It meant to actually represent what the resistance of the plane is. To say 1.1mohm is standard is basically saying all boards from the most garbage $50 boards to XOC boards have the exact same vcore plane characteristics. Which I find hard to believe.
>I dare you to find one board partner that doesn't set a 1.1mOhm VR LLC impedance value at stock settings
Z690 Taichi, it was 1.1 before 0x125 and now it's 0.540 AC/DC after 0x125 with a clear CMOS.
Voltages are now exactly in line with what the CPU is fused with which is 1.404 at 6ghz.
VID requests hover 1.425-1.440, Vcore at the external sensor is 1.400
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:12:52 No.103920047
>>103919918
Single thread isn't that much stronger. An Arc buyer would likely have a 12100 or 12400 (or worse, who knows, a 10400), so it's reasonable to test with a 5600 to look for overhead. Having said that, I'm sure you can find instances of Arc driver overhead being worse than Geforce driver overhead even on top tier CPUs
Single thread isn't that much stronger. An Arc buyer would likely have a 12100 or 12400 (or worse, who knows, a 10400), so it's reasonable to test with a 5600 to look for overhead. Having said that, I'm sure you can find instances of Arc driver overhead being worse than Geforce driver overhead even on top tier CPUs
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:15:42 No.103920096
>built my new rig with x870 tomahawk and 9800x3d
>Expected it to explode
>Fastest and easiest thing I've ever done with no hiccups
Wtf the Internet told me this was a doomer combo
>Expected it to explode
>Fastest and easiest thing I've ever done with no hiccups
Wtf the Internet told me this was a doomer combo
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:16:32 No.103920110
>>103920096
whats the supposed most likely case for failure?
whats the supposed most likely case for failure?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:16:48 No.103920117
>>103920096
the internet is wrong most of the time
the internet is wrong most of the time
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:16:55 No.103920119
>>103920029
>LL is not some arbitrary number
No shit dumbass, but Intel specs require VR LLC = CPU DC LL = CPU AC LL and board vendors set conservative (high) VR LLC to reduce voltage overshoots.
Board vendors are risk-averse, they do not want to present a default VR LLC that causes noticeable overshoots.
>Z690 Taichi
VR LLC =/= DC LL.
Run Prime 95 small fft and post HWInfo sensor readings of Core VID, Vcore, and VR VOUT readings.
>LL is not some arbitrary number
No shit dumbass, but Intel specs require VR LLC = CPU DC LL = CPU AC LL and board vendors set conservative (high) VR LLC to reduce voltage overshoots.
Board vendors are risk-averse, they do not want to present a default VR LLC that causes noticeable overshoots.
>Z690 Taichi
VR LLC =/= DC LL.
Run Prime 95 small fft and post HWInfo sensor readings of Core VID, Vcore, and VR VOUT readings.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:17:48 No.103920129
>>103919936
thinking of this case from micro center. what you think?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/646620/lian-li-a4-h2o-40-mini-itx-min-tower-computer-case-black
alternatively from amazon another case:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BFJ8V8C?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
thinking of this case from micro center. what you think?
https://www.microcenter.com/product
alternatively from amazon another case:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:19:03 No.103920140
>>103920129
does that thing even have usb 3.1/3.2 ports?
does that thing even have usb 3.1/3.2 ports?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:19:07 No.103920143
>>103920129
Both popular and good choices, I'd just make sure there's enough clearance for all your components and go by portability.
Both popular and good choices, I'd just make sure there's enough clearance for all your components and go by portability.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:20:36 No.103920158
I'm going to dump some VRAM comparisons from W1zard's review of the B570
>>103920117
And to think AI is being trained on it
>>103920117
And to think AI is being trained on it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:21:18 No.103920172
>>103920110
I read numerous cases of refusing to post, problems with basic functionality and blue screens, etc. But mine boots just fine, installed windows and updated bios, played my games on it and everything.
There's a chance the Internet might be retarded...
I read numerous cases of refusing to post, problems with basic functionality and blue screens, etc. But mine boots just fine, installed windows and updated bios, played my games on it and everything.
There's a chance the Internet might be retarded...
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:21:57 No.103920181
>>103920110
Uhh anon it's a Tomahawk...
Uhh anon it's a Tomahawk...
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:22:08 No.103920184
>>103920172
is that about ddr5 ram training or what
is that about ddr5 ram training or what
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:22:08 No.103920185
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:22:29 No.103920193
Gangs of Sherwood, my favorite game
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:22:30 No.103920195
>>103920143
the coolmaster seems to be bigger but both can fix most.
the coolmaster seems to be bigger but both can fix most.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:22:59 No.103920196
>>103920158
Fuck, meant to post the 1080p chart.
Fuck, meant to post the 1080p chart.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:23:54 No.103920211
>>103920096
Doing research on this combo too. Many ppl are having problems because of RAM it looks like.
Doing research on this combo too. Many ppl are having problems because of RAM it looks like.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:25:30 No.103920235
>>103920096
This gives me hope. I succumbed to buying an overpriced Asus motherboard in a package with a 9800X3D and the internet is full of horror stories about the Asus X870/E boards being unstable, and the QVL list is missing a ton of Expo ram options listed as compatible by Gskill. Waiting on the rest of the parts to come in to I can see for myself.
This gives me hope. I succumbed to buying an overpriced Asus motherboard in a package with a 9800X3D and the internet is full of horror stories about the Asus X870/E boards being unstable, and the QVL list is missing a ton of Expo ram options listed as compatible by Gskill. Waiting on the rest of the parts to come in to I can see for myself.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:26:51 No.103920259
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:28:17 No.103920280
>>103920211
>>103920235
I will never buy another MSI board after all the issues they've been reported to have. I'm a Gigabyte chud now.
>>103920235
I will never buy another MSI board after all the issues they've been reported to have. I'm a Gigabyte chud now.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:29:18 No.103920296
Also, if you sell a motherboard without a 2 digit debug code indicator then FUCK YOU
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:29:22 No.103920298
Sub-50fps gaming with missing textures, my favorite
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:30:27 No.103920318
>>103920298
that's what you get with unoptimized UE slop and people who don't understand how to remove unused resources efficiently, at this point it's not even the GPU or CPU fault, it's the devs.
that's what you get with unoptimized UE slop and people who don't understand how to remove unused resources efficiently, at this point it's not even the GPU or CPU fault, it's the devs.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:31:14 No.103920331
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:32:04 No.103920342
Sub-10fps gaming, my new favorite
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:32:34 No.103920352
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:33:02 No.103920361
>>103920342
Cyberpunk is a benchmark not a game
Cyberpunk is a benchmark not a game
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:33:34 No.103920367
>>103919936
Here is how my carts look:
left is my local micro center. Right is amazon. I sustituted some stuff cause they said delivery for some parts would be all the way to the end of the month into feb.
Here is how my carts look:
left is my local micro center. Right is amazon. I sustituted some stuff cause they said delivery for some parts would be all the way to the end of the month into feb.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:33:37 No.103920368
>>103920028
any thoughts?
any thoughts?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:33:46 No.103920372
>>103920119
>Board vendors are risk-averse,
This is the most laughable statement in 2025.
>Run Prime 95 small fft and post HWInfo sensor readings of Core VID, Vcore, and VR VOUT readings.
Might when I get home.
Just to keep you on your feet for the moment in case you think all my numbers aren't all BS I do have my CPU score page
>Board vendors are risk-averse,
This is the most laughable statement in 2025.
>Run Prime 95 small fft and post HWInfo sensor readings of Core VID, Vcore, and VR VOUT readings.
Might when I get home.
Just to keep you on your feet for the moment in case you think all my numbers aren't all BS I do have my CPU score page
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:34:38 No.103920395
>>103920368
well its generic work use, theres nothing special to comment about it
make sure to buy a nice 500hz qd oled monitor to go with it
well its generic work use, theres nothing special to comment about it
make sure to buy a nice 500hz qd oled monitor to go with it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:34:44 No.103920397
>>103920235
>>103920280
gigabyte is probably number 2. asrock #1. always has been. i remember when those fuckers first hit, and everyone was like "lol yay new chink company with shit cheap products!" turned out they were solid as fuck the whole time
>>103920280
gigabyte is probably number 2. asrock #1. always has been. i remember when those fuckers first hit, and everyone was like "lol yay new chink company with shit cheap products!" turned out they were solid as fuck the whole time
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:34:54 No.103920398
>>103920280
I've been wanting one of the Asrock boards for this gen but they're like unobtainium. No stock anywhere.
I might give up and get a Gigabyte in the next week or so if nothing restocks.
I've been wanting one of the Asrock boards for this gen but they're like unobtainium. No stock anywhere.
I might give up and get a Gigabyte in the next week or so if nothing restocks.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:35:38 No.103920409
>>103920398
i just managed to grab a taichi off newegg a few days ago. you from the US?
i just managed to grab a taichi off newegg a few days ago. you from the US?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:36:40 No.103920425
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:38:12 No.103920452
>>103920409
>i just managed to grab a taichi off newegg a few days ago. you from the US?
Yes and that's whack. I'm positive I had stock notifications turned on for the Tachi, Taichi Light, and Nova but I didn't get one.
Wait for the next batch or grab an Aorus is my debate atm.
>i just managed to grab a taichi off newegg a few days ago. you from the US?
Yes and that's whack. I'm positive I had stock notifications turned on for the Tachi, Taichi Light, and Nova but I didn't get one.
Wait for the next batch or grab an Aorus is my debate atm.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:39:20 No.103920469
you don't need a 9800x3d and a $500 mobo for your 7700XT lil bro
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:39:21 No.103920470
>>103920452
granted, i paid $625 for it. but idc, products these days are ridiculous to get. apparently theyre worth it, and im not poor at all so its not like it affects me. need it for my 9800x3d and soon to have 5090 FE
granted, i paid $625 for it. but idc, products these days are ridiculous to get. apparently theyre worth it, and im not poor at all so its not like it affects me. need it for my 9800x3d and soon to have 5090 FE
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:41:06 No.103920498
>>103920367
updated: I can get most of this at micro center
updated: I can get most of this at micro center
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:41:53 No.103920510
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:41:58 No.103920512
>>103920372
>>Board vendors are risk-averse,
>This is the most laughable statement in 2025.
This comment shows how little you understand what a VR LLC does, alongside that cropped BIOS image.
A $760 Z790 ROG Maximus Hero board has a default DC LL & VR LLC set at 1.1mOhms.
That level of VR LLC makes errant voltage spikes much more predictable and manageable compared to the voltage overshoots that occur just 1 or 2 LLC setting higher (From LLC3 to 4 or 5 on ASUS).
Even if a kid sets some near-redline voltages, the vdroop at 1.1mOhm VR LLC is deep enough to protect the chip from being hit with degradingly high voltage overshoots (assuming Intel CPU codes work as intended).
This is all under operating within Intel's specs, so anything bad that happens is on Intel.
That cropped BIOS image is worthless because you should know the CPU needs to be stressed at full load to determine whether the CPU DC_LL = VR LLC.
Is your BIOS running that CPU under P95 Small FFT loads? Thought so. Worthless.
>>Board vendors are risk-averse,
>This is the most laughable statement in 2025.
This comment shows how little you understand what a VR LLC does, alongside that cropped BIOS image.
A $760 Z790 ROG Maximus Hero board has a default DC LL & VR LLC set at 1.1mOhms.
That level of VR LLC makes errant voltage spikes much more predictable and manageable compared to the voltage overshoots that occur just 1 or 2 LLC setting higher (From LLC3 to 4 or 5 on ASUS).
Even if a kid sets some near-redline voltages, the vdroop at 1.1mOhm VR LLC is deep enough to protect the chip from being hit with degradingly high voltage overshoots (assuming Intel CPU codes work as intended).
This is all under operating within Intel's specs, so anything bad that happens is on Intel.
That cropped BIOS image is worthless because you should know the CPU needs to be stressed at full load to determine whether the CPU DC_LL = VR LLC.
Is your BIOS running that CPU under P95 Small FFT loads? Thought so. Worthless.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:42:25 No.103920521
Looking at B850 boards
should I go with intel or realtek lan?
should I go with intel or realtek lan?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:42:47 No.103920525
>>103920510
so what exactly do you hope to gain from spamming?
so what exactly do you hope to gain from spamming?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:44:30 No.103920547
>>103920367
>>103920498
Do you need that dGPU for work? The 7700X has an iGPU.
Someone else should critique the build as well. It looks good for me.
>>103920498
Do you need that dGPU for work? The 7700X has an iGPU.
Someone else should critique the build as well. It looks good for me.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:44:51 No.103920555
>>103920525
10 rupees from posting the same shit every thread
10 rupees from posting the same shit every thread
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:46:10 No.103920575
>>103920398
Checking the ASrock x870 Pro it looks like people are having similar problems to the Tomahawk
Checking the ASrock x870 Pro it looks like people are having similar problems to the Tomahawk
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:47:05 No.103920590
>>103920547
Not really but wouldnt it make having multiple monitors easier? or will the cpu do?
Not really but wouldnt it make having multiple monitors easier? or will the cpu do?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:50:42 No.103920649
9070xt news where
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:52:07 No.103920669
>>103920649
noo stop hitting him anime girl
noo stop hitting him anime girl
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:52:14 No.103920673
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:54:00 No.103920695
>>103920590
>Not really but wouldnt it make having multiple monitors easier?
The AORUS Ultra B650I board has 2 display ports for multi-monitor setup (DP & HDMI).
I would get this board instead if you just need a dGPU for 2-monitors, $40 is easier to swallow than $300.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bYytt6/gigabyte-b650i-aorus-ultra-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-b650i-aorus-ultra
>Not really but wouldnt it make having multiple monitors easier?
The AORUS Ultra B650I board has 2 display ports for multi-monitor setup (DP & HDMI).
I would get this board instead if you just need a dGPU for 2-monitors, $40 is easier to swallow than $300.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bY
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:55:09 No.103920705
>>103920470
the X870E Apex is releasing soon and it will mog all other boards cause 1DPC.
only the Nova is worth buying if you find it at $350, Taichi isn't worth that much
the X870E Apex is releasing soon and it will mog all other boards cause 1DPC.
only the Nova is worth buying if you find it at $350, Taichi isn't worth that much
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:55:55 No.103920716
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:56:56 No.103920728
>>103920705
>X870E Apex
It's going to instantly sell out, especially from having Intel refugees on the platform.
It might even be one of the most popular Apex ever.
>X870E Apex
It's going to instantly sell out, especially from having Intel refugees on the platform.
It might even be one of the most popular Apex ever.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:57:15 No.103920731
![Sratdssat(1)[sound=files.catbox.moe%2Fxaoxtr.opus]](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1737053835778977s.jpg)
>>103920673
yeah thats a rip. your gf prolly gonna leave you over it, too. time to embrace 2d if you havent already
>>103920705
ill buy that too, idc
yeah thats a rip. your gf prolly gonna leave you over it, too. time to embrace 2d if you havent already
>>103920705
ill buy that too, idc
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)13:58:17 No.103920751
>>103920716
>CPU score page
That page doesn't determine whether your CPU DC LL is accurately set to match the VR LLC, the information I asked for.
Are you a retard? If not, stop acting like one.
>CPU score page
That page doesn't determine whether your CPU DC LL is accurately set to match the VR LLC, the information I asked for.
Are you a retard? If not, stop acting like one.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:00:19 No.103920775
I can't wait for DLSS 4.0 to breathe new life into my 3090
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:02:19 No.103920796
Where the hell is he?? I'm getting concerned now
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:02:43 No.103920803
When is Asrock Phantom Gaming motherboard being released?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:03:43 No.103920809
>>103920469
What is a good CPU for the 7700 xt?
What is a good CPU for the 7700 xt?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:04:17 No.103920819
>>103920809
7700
7700
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:04:46 No.103920822
>>103920819
and you buy that over 7800x3d because
and you buy that over 7800x3d because
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:05:11 No.103920826
>>103918110
I'm looking to start a new build. I've been using my current setup for at least a decade and at this point basically everything is too old to be compatible with anything newer so I'm basically starting from scratch. I'm replacing my old setup basically just because some new work software requires DX12, which my system can't support, and I'd rather shell out for the upgrade than give up remote work.
I'm looking around a 1-1.2k budget for the whole build. Nothing needs to be top of the line, but I do game with it so a decent GPU, 16gb RAM minimum are my targets.
I used to follow this stuff religiously but my last build held up so well I just stopped paying attention to PC parts and now everything seems completely foreign to me. Above all I just want to make sure I find decent midline parts without accidentally making a big bottleneck on one resource and overpaying for another my system can't even use. Where should I start?
I'm looking to start a new build. I've been using my current setup for at least a decade and at this point basically everything is too old to be compatible with anything newer so I'm basically starting from scratch. I'm replacing my old setup basically just because some new work software requires DX12, which my system can't support, and I'd rather shell out for the upgrade than give up remote work.
I'm looking around a 1-1.2k budget for the whole build. Nothing needs to be top of the line, but I do game with it so a decent GPU, 16gb RAM minimum are my targets.
I used to follow this stuff religiously but my last build held up so well I just stopped paying attention to PC parts and now everything seems completely foreign to me. Above all I just want to make sure I find decent midline parts without accidentally making a big bottleneck on one resource and overpaying for another my system can't even use. Where should I start?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:05:44 No.103920832
>>103920822
symmetry
symmetry
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:06:37 No.103920846
>>103920728
probably, if testers are to be trusted it's far better than all other mobos
>>103920731
>ill buy that too, idc
good, post your OC results on both
probably, if testers are to be trusted it's far better than all other mobos
>>103920731
>ill buy that too, idc
good, post your OC results on both
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:08:32 No.103920878
>>103920826
we need a resolution and fps target
we need a resolution and fps target
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:08:34 No.103920879
27-28" 180hz WQXGA gaming monitor, please manufacturers.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:08:57 No.103920882
>>103920846
i just want the best hardware, only "OC" im doing is positive PBO offset with negative voltage too
i just want the best hardware, only "OC" im doing is positive PBO offset with negative voltage too
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:09:51 No.103920890
If this happened to the B580 ($100 ABOVE MSRP) then there is literally no chance of buying any 50 series at MSRP
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:10:29 No.103920898
>>103920826
>new work software requires DX12, which my system can't support
You work for a company that doesn't provide hardware? What?
>new work software requires DX12, which my system can't support
You work for a company that doesn't provide hardware? What?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:15:48 No.103920955
>>103920878
>>103920826
My bad. I have a 2560 x 1440 monitor I don't plan to replace (XG270HU).
I would target a stable 60FPS for gaming. I don't do any competitive shooters or anything where super high FPS would matter and with my current rig I'm used to much worse so it's just a matter of what's good/cost effective value and what's not going to become immediately obsolete in a few years.
>>103920898
They provide the hardware in-office but to work remotely we need to provide everything ourselves.
>>103920826
My bad. I have a 2560 x 1440 monitor I don't plan to replace (XG270HU).
I would target a stable 60FPS for gaming. I don't do any competitive shooters or anything where super high FPS would matter and with my current rig I'm used to much worse so it's just a matter of what's good/cost effective value and what's not going to become immediately obsolete in a few years.
>>103920898
They provide the hardware in-office but to work remotely we need to provide everything ourselves.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:19:21 No.103920987
>>103920890
oh right
oh right
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:19:59 No.103920991
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:21:26 No.103921005
>>103920796
he bought an arc card
he bought an arc card
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:22:15 No.103921009
>>103920716
Since I already know your Z690 ASRock Taichi doesn't automatically calibrate its VR LLC impedance to match the CPU DC LL, below are some other truth bombs.
>Z790 Maximus Apex Encore on 0x129 microcode sets 1.1 mOhms VR LLC, CPU AC & DC LL (LLC = DC LL = AC LL)
https://youtu.be/XI2x2_skwSs?t=103
>Z790 Aorus Master X on 0x129 microcode sets 1.1 mOhms VR LLC, but fucks up CPU AC & DC LL calibration (results in incorrect power readings).
>Buildzoid corrects CPU AC & DC LL to 1.1 mOhms
https://youtu.be/SMballFEmhs?t=1069
What a coincidence that all three major AIBs, including the best motherboard for the platform, set 1.1mOhms VR LLC impedance at default.
All three of them want their board's default VR LLC settings to generate predictable and safe amounts of voltage overshoots.
Since I already know your Z690 ASRock Taichi doesn't automatically calibrate its VR LLC impedance to match the CPU DC LL, below are some other truth bombs.
>Z790 Maximus Apex Encore on 0x129 microcode sets 1.1 mOhms VR LLC, CPU AC & DC LL (LLC = DC LL = AC LL)
https://youtu.be/XI2x2_skwSs?t=103
>Z790 Aorus Master X on 0x129 microcode sets 1.1 mOhms VR LLC, but fucks up CPU AC & DC LL calibration (results in incorrect power readings).
>Buildzoid corrects CPU AC & DC LL to 1.1 mOhms
https://youtu.be/SMballFEmhs?t=1069
What a coincidence that all three major AIBs, including the best motherboard for the platform, set 1.1mOhms VR LLC impedance at default.
All three of them want their board's default VR LLC settings to generate predictable and safe amounts of voltage overshoots.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:29:32 No.103921077
Do you use framegen? What are the disadvantages of using it?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:31:04 No.103921090
>>103920096
It was only a doomer combo if you had Corsair RAM, at least it was a couple months ago. I have no clue if MSI has released BIOS updates that fixed the issue since. I went with a Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite and its chugging along fine and running my EXPO 64GB 30-36-36-76 6000mhz RAM without issue.
It was only a doomer combo if you had Corsair RAM, at least it was a couple months ago. I have no clue if MSI has released BIOS updates that fixed the issue since. I went with a Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite and its chugging along fine and running my EXPO 64GB 30-36-36-76 6000mhz RAM without issue.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:32:49 No.103921115
>>103921077
you need kinda high base fps, 50-70 to get good use out if
it makes the image smoother, so its more pleasant to look at and less prone to causing eyestrain or headache
now what most people have access to is lossless scaling app, which is somewhat dumb interpolation algorithm (it can also upscale the image) and it has most of typical interpolation artifacts, just 2 completely different images blended together which is more noticeable
fsr and dlss frame gens are better, they have less noticeable artifacts but since it works by buffering a frame and rendering another theres slight hit on latency
you need kinda high base fps, 50-70 to get good use out if
it makes the image smoother, so its more pleasant to look at and less prone to causing eyestrain or headache
now what most people have access to is lossless scaling app, which is somewhat dumb interpolation algorithm (it can also upscale the image) and it has most of typical interpolation artifacts, just 2 completely different images blended together which is more noticeable
fsr and dlss frame gens are better, they have less noticeable artifacts but since it works by buffering a frame and rendering another theres slight hit on latency
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:34:35 No.103921129
>>103920826
you don't want AMD, amd is only for gaming.
if you are doing video editing... as long as you aren't doing 4k videos and you aren't doing a crazy amount of post processing, a 4060 is fine (it has the same encoder as a 5090, and the 5090 has 2 nvenc encoders but you can't actually use both to export ONE video faster, depending on your software, 2 nvenc encoders might help with exporting multiple videos faster, but not one video, but the 5090 would DESTROY the 4060 when it comes to any sharpening or post processing, because it's not only about the nvenc encoder, the GPU is doing some compute (but you might not even use the GPU for encoding the video because you would rather spend 100x more time using a CPU encoder for higher quality, but if you upload to any platform, they will re-encode the video so the best video is a fat uncompress video, perfect for nvenc, and your software might not do post processing on the GPU, maybe?).
For 3d rendering, The 5070 TI is ideal, but it's expensive. I still think a 4060 is fine if you use a render farm.
I unironically think a 5090 is the best GPU to buy if you think your job is going to use more AI, lots of local AI tools require a minimum of 24gb to run. Yes this means your PC will be $3000, but it's more of a question if you are able to buy the 5090 before the bots snipe it.
you don't want AMD, amd is only for gaming.
if you are doing video editing... as long as you aren't doing 4k videos and you aren't doing a crazy amount of post processing, a 4060 is fine (it has the same encoder as a 5090, and the 5090 has 2 nvenc encoders but you can't actually use both to export ONE video faster, depending on your software, 2 nvenc encoders might help with exporting multiple videos faster, but not one video, but the 5090 would DESTROY the 4060 when it comes to any sharpening or post processing, because it's not only about the nvenc encoder, the GPU is doing some compute (but you might not even use the GPU for encoding the video because you would rather spend 100x more time using a CPU encoder for higher quality, but if you upload to any platform, they will re-encode the video so the best video is a fat uncompress video, perfect for nvenc, and your software might not do post processing on the GPU, maybe?).
For 3d rendering, The 5070 TI is ideal, but it's expensive. I still think a 4060 is fine if you use a render farm.
I unironically think a 5090 is the best GPU to buy if you think your job is going to use more AI, lots of local AI tools require a minimum of 24gb to run. Yes this means your PC will be $3000, but it's more of a question if you are able to buy the 5090 before the bots snipe it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:35:50 No.103921146
>>103921115
If I can achieve 30 fps should I use framegen or will it be a bad idea in that case?
If I can achieve 30 fps should I use framegen or will it be a bad idea in that case?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:37:55 No.103921175
>>103921146
it depends, you can always test it out but since theres only 30 real frames the artifact ridden interpolated frames can be easier to spot or get distracted by
you would be better off lowering settings to get at least 40-50 and then enable interpolated frames on top
it depends, you can always test it out but since theres only 30 real frames the artifact ridden interpolated frames can be easier to spot or get distracted by
you would be better off lowering settings to get at least 40-50 and then enable interpolated frames on top
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:37:59 No.103921177
>>103920184
>>103920211
Yeah I guess it is all ram related. I have gskill x flare or whatever and it works just fine. I haven't had a single issue like other people have so maybe I just found the lucky combo.
>>103920211
Yeah I guess it is all ram related. I have gskill x flare or whatever and it works just fine. I haven't had a single issue like other people have so maybe I just found the lucky combo.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:41:19 No.103921213
>>103921009
>hes still at it
>but now it's turned into an asrock hate campaign
there really are gooks here
>hes still at it
>but now it's turned into an asrock hate campaign
there really are gooks here
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:46:36 No.103921267
>>103921077
it's for controller users.
maybe for console port games with a 3rd person POV, but those games feel like they were made for controller users.
it's for controller users.
maybe for console port games with a 3rd person POV, but those games feel like they were made for controller users.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:52:14 No.103921320
>>103921213
Except you're the subservient gook that doesn't know the co-founders of ASUSTek are the largest shareholders of Pegatron (ASRock's parent company), and ASRock's senior executive team is filled with ASUSTek hires.
ASRock is the little bitch of ASUS, ASUS only split Pegatron as a separate business because their abysmally low profit margins ruin the overall balance sheet of ASUS' more profitable business segments.
ASUS doesn't care if you buy ASRock boards, it's all the same.
Except you're the subservient gook that doesn't know the co-founders of ASUSTek are the largest shareholders of Pegatron (ASRock's parent company), and ASRock's senior executive team is filled with ASUSTek hires.
ASRock is the little bitch of ASUS, ASUS only split Pegatron as a separate business because their abysmally low profit margins ruin the overall balance sheet of ASUS' more profitable business segments.
ASUS doesn't care if you buy ASRock boards, it's all the same.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:52:24 No.103921324
If you buy a $2000 gpu with coil whine are you just fucked? can you do anything to fix it?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:56:51 No.103921360
>>103920775
I don't think it'll be amazing for your 3090. Better, sure. I think if you're lucky, Balanced will become the new Quality at 1440p, Performance will become the new Balanced at 4K
>>103920826
I think you should up your budget slightly. This is around the minimum for a new build IMO
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XNPJkf
You could save yourself $60 on a 1 TB SSD, $30 on 16 GB DDR5, but I don't think it's worth it
>>103920890
I don't think Intel was prepared for the demand. Nvidia will be
I don't think it'll be amazing for your 3090. Better, sure. I think if you're lucky, Balanced will become the new Quality at 1440p, Performance will become the new Balanced at 4K
>>103920826
I think you should up your budget slightly. This is around the minimum for a new build IMO
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XNPJk
You could save yourself $60 on a 1 TB SSD, $30 on 16 GB DDR5, but I don't think it's worth it
>>103920890
I don't think Intel was prepared for the demand. Nvidia will be
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:56:52 No.103921361
>>103921320
put more fans into your PC, and make sure they are the cheap fans.
put more fans into your PC, and make sure they are the cheap fans.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:57:23 No.103921367
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:57:53 No.103921370
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:58:06 No.103921376
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)14:59:05 No.103921385
>>103921376
Tell me more.
Tell me more.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:00:01 No.103921392
>>103921367
He will only get paid if you buy nvidia
He will only get paid if you buy nvidia
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:00:07 No.103921393
>>103921385
https://youtu.be/lA8DphutMsY
https://youtu.be/lA8DphutMsY
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:00:37 No.103921394
![Lossless Scaling： Frame Generation For Every Game - But How Good Is it？ [69k7ZXLK1to]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1737057637605189s.jpg)
>>103921077
>Do you use framegen?
If necessary, yes. It's especially useful when CPU limited (e.g., if you want to play MH:Wilds or Stalker 2 on an old CPU). I would agree with anon >>103921267 that it's best for controller games (I used it in Hellblade 2 for example), but it can be useful for mouse games as well
>>103921146
If you're CPU limited, yes you can try to use FG, but the framerate is really too low. You'll get a lot of artifacting, at least in current version of DLSS FG. For controller games, ~50 FPS is the minimum currently
>>103921376
>there are no [disadvantages]
FG will put more pressure on VRAM
>Do you use framegen?
If necessary, yes. It's especially useful when CPU limited (e.g., if you want to play MH:Wilds or Stalker 2 on an old CPU). I would agree with anon >>103921267 that it's best for controller games (I used it in Hellblade 2 for example), but it can be useful for mouse games as well
>>103921146
If you're CPU limited, yes you can try to use FG, but the framerate is really too low. You'll get a lot of artifacting, at least in current version of DLSS FG. For controller games, ~50 FPS is the minimum currently
>>103921376
>there are no [disadvantages]
FG will put more pressure on VRAM
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:04:04 No.103921427
>CPU:
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K 3.7 GHz 24-Core Processor
>CPU Cooler:
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
>Motherboard:
MSI MAG Z890 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1851 Motherboard
>Memory:
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory
>Storage:
Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive x2
>Video Card:
Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card
>Case: NZXT H9 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case
>Power Supply:
Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
>Monitor:
Asus TUF GAMING VG259QM 24.5" 1920 x 1080 280 Hz Monitor
Intel Core Ultra 9 285K 3.7 GHz 24-Core Processor
>CPU Cooler:
ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
>Motherboard:
MSI MAG Z890 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1851 Motherboard
>Memory:
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory
>Storage:
Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive x2
>Video Card:
Gigabyte WINDFORCE V2 GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card
>Case: NZXT H9 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case
>Power Supply:
Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
>Monitor:
Asus TUF GAMING VG259QM 24.5" 1920 x 1080 280 Hz Monitor
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:05:22 No.103921441
>>103921427
This nigga cooking
This nigga cooking
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:07:31 No.103921456
Can someone please tell me whether to wait for the 9950x3d or just get the 9900x/9950x rn. There was some controversy with the gamebar "parked cores" shit which I still don't understand, I want to use all my fucking cores AMD you cocksuckers, I am going to use win 11 iot ltsc fuck gamebar.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:07:48 No.103921460
>>103921427
If this build is for a gaming PC, get a 7600/X or a 9800X3D CPU.
Arrow Lake is completely scuffed for gaming, 90.9ns memory latency with XMP enabled on a 8200MT/s CUDIMM kit
That memory latency is about as bad as a basic JEDEC 4800MT/s CL40 @ 1.1V memory kit.
If this build is for a gaming PC, get a 7600/X or a 9800X3D CPU.
Arrow Lake is completely scuffed for gaming, 90.9ns memory latency with XMP enabled on a 8200MT/s CUDIMM kit
That memory latency is about as bad as a basic JEDEC 4800MT/s CL40 @ 1.1V memory kit.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:08:23 No.103921465
>>103921456
well the x3d cpu will be much better at games, while not benefitting productivity at all
well the x3d cpu will be much better at games, while not benefitting productivity at all
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:10:05 No.103921484
>>103921456
You have plenty of time to wait for AMD's official update about the core-parking requirements, it's a Q1 release product.
There's no point worrying about it now, unless you plan to build a 9800X3D system asap.
You have plenty of time to wait for AMD's official update about the core-parking requirements, it's a Q1 release product.
There's no point worrying about it now, unless you plan to build a 9800X3D system asap.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:10:57 No.103921493
The inventory for NVIDIA RTX 4070 and higher models is expected to be completely cleared by January. Starting from February, major AIC brands are anticipated to have stock remaining only for the RTX 4060 Ti and RTX 4060 series, which still need to be digested. However, since NVIDIA’s Q1 begins in February, these two models will essentially enter the final stock phase.
— Board Channels (translation)
— Board Channels (translation)
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:11:33 No.103921500
>>103921077
Honestly I can't feel the latency impact of framegen, either FSR or lossless scaling. I only framegen from 60+fps though.
Honestly I can't feel the latency impact of framegen, either FSR or lossless scaling. I only framegen from 60+fps though.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:12:02 No.103921505
>>103921493
The quote talks about the manufacturer's remaining production stocks.
Retailers will still have some RTX 40 series cards left to sell throughout this year.
The quote talks about the manufacturer's remaining production stocks.
Retailers will still have some RTX 40 series cards left to sell throughout this year.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:12:23 No.103921510
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:12:47 No.103921512
>>103921360
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XNPJkf
Thanks this is pretty much exactly the info I was looking for. I've been separately recommended this CPU for my needs as well so it's good to see things corroborated.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XNPJ
Thanks this is pretty much exactly the info I was looking for. I've been separately recommended this CPU for my needs as well so it's good to see things corroborated.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:13:16 No.103921517
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:13:34 No.103921522
best 2k monitor in 2025?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:13:39 No.103921523
>>103921510
never? if they stop making them price will only rise
never? if they stop making them price will only rise
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:13:45 No.103921527
>>103921510
AIBs like ASUS and Gigabyte are done making RTX 40 series cards, and they are running out of higher-end stocks to deliver to retailers.
AIBs like ASUS and Gigabyte are done making RTX 40 series cards, and they are running out of higher-end stocks to deliver to retailers.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:13:48 No.103921528
>>103921427
shit cpu use an AMD equivalent
shit cpu use an AMD equivalent
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:13:59 No.103921529
Partner card prices up yet?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:14:09 No.103921532
>>103921505
They will not be selling them at a discount and that's what matters.
They will not be selling them at a discount and that's what matters.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:15:07 No.103921546
>>103918110
I just moved my desktop from my office into my bedroom since having it in there after work makes me not want to use it.
Now I need a mouse for my work computer. What the best relatively cheap wireless mouse to comfortably use?
My current mouse is a Zowie EC2, so something similar that works for disgusting rat-like hands would work best.
Latency isn't a massive issue since it's just for work.
I just moved my desktop from my office into my bedroom since having it in there after work makes me not want to use it.
Now I need a mouse for my work computer. What the best relatively cheap wireless mouse to comfortably use?
My current mouse is a Zowie EC2, so something similar that works for disgusting rat-like hands would work best.
Latency isn't a massive issue since it's just for work.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:15:10 No.103921547
>>103921529
Not till release day
Not till release day
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:15:25 No.103921551
>>103921522
the 500hz samsung g6 should be up there
the 500hz samsung g6 should be up there
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:16:51 No.103921565
>>103921522
Kek, I remember the seething when he ended up hooking up with his daughter aunt instead of the single mom roastie he was friends with.
Kek, I remember the seething when he ended up hooking up with his daughter aunt instead of the single mom roastie he was friends with.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:16:51 No.103921566
>>103921320
You're coping more and more people are choosing the cheaper option.
You'd do anything to get people to funnel more money to the Taiwanese cartel.
You're coping more and more people are choosing the cheaper option.
You'd do anything to get people to funnel more money to the Taiwanese cartel.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:17:01 No.103921572
>>103921522
One of the OLED monitors.
For IPS, you shouldn't spend over $400 for one because you're getting close to OLED monitor prices (in the US).
Gigabyte M27Q-X or the MSI G274QPX would be my limit for an IPS monitor.
One of the OLED monitors.
For IPS, you shouldn't spend over $400 for one because you're getting close to OLED monitor prices (in the US).
Gigabyte M27Q-X or the MSI G274QPX would be my limit for an IPS monitor.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:19:18 No.103921597
>>103921566
>You'd do anything to get people to funnel more money to the Taiwanese cartel.
Except you're failing to understand Pegatron (ASRock's parent company) is part of that Taiwanese cartel, they're with Team ASUS.
Stop acting this stupid over a motherboard vendor.
https://www.pegatroncorp.com/investorRelation/majorShareholders/lang/en_US
>You'd do anything to get people to funnel more money to the Taiwanese cartel.
Except you're failing to understand Pegatron (ASRock's parent company) is part of that Taiwanese cartel, they're with Team ASUS.
Stop acting this stupid over a motherboard vendor.
https://www.pegatroncorp.com/invest
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:19:50 No.103921605
>>103921427
Why are you getting that garbage cpu. I defended intel before and have been intel user for 20+ years. But can't defend arrow lake.
Why are you getting that garbage cpu. I defended intel before and have been intel user for 20+ years. But can't defend arrow lake.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:19:57 No.103921608
>>103921493
The rumor is that the 4060 and 4060 Ti will be cleared by March or April, indicating that a likely timeframe for RTX 5060 and 5060 Ti launch
>>103921522
>2k
No such thing as 2k, retard. Since you're too poor for 4K, the AOC Q27G3XMN
The rumor is that the 4060 and 4060 Ti will be cleared by March or April, indicating that a likely timeframe for RTX 5060 and 5060 Ti launch
>>103921522
>2k
No such thing as 2k, retard. Since you're too poor for 4K, the AOC Q27G3XMN
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:20:23 No.103921613
>>103921460
I understand what you are saying to a degree and I am in no way married to the idea of the i9, but I am not convinced latency benchmarks translate between different architectures, as well as different generations.
Aren't gaming benchmarks more consistent for gauging this?
I understand what you are saying to a degree and I am in no way married to the idea of the i9, but I am not convinced latency benchmarks translate between different architectures, as well as different generations.
Aren't gaming benchmarks more consistent for gauging this?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:23:12 No.103921645
>>103921484
>to wait for AMD's official update about the core-parking requirements, it's a Q1 release product.
>There's no point worrying about it now, unless you plan to build a 9800X3D system asap.
I'm just gonna wait then, because they might release a 9950x3d by then, or improve the stuff for the 9900x/9950x.
>to wait for AMD's official update about the core-parking requirements, it's a Q1 release product.
>There's no point worrying about it now, unless you plan to build a 9800X3D system asap.
I'm just gonna wait then, because they might release a 9950x3d by then, or improve the stuff for the 9900x/9950x.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:23:34 No.103921648
I wish I didn't get a 144hz monitor after my old ass 60hz one died. Now I can't tolerate playing 60fps games anymore, I literally feel sick from the blurriness. I was happily playing games at 60 before. My PC can't handle running most games at 144fps anyway, so everything feels ass other than old games.
Ignorance is bliss, I will never try a 240-360hz monitor when they get cheap
Ignorance is bliss, I will never try a 240-360hz monitor when they get cheap
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:23:36 No.103921649
>>103921608
How well does the witcher 3 run on a 2060?
How well does the witcher 3 run on a 2060?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:23:45 No.103921653
>>103921613
>Aren't gaming benchmarks more consistent for gauging this?
You're right, that's why it's completely shitting the bed in gaming benchmarks too.
The test resolutions are set relatively low to rule out GPU bottlenecking.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/arrow-lake-retested-with-latest-24h2-updates-and-new-bios/3.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/17.html
>Aren't gaming benchmarks more consistent for gauging this?
You're right, that's why it's completely shitting the bed in gaming benchmarks too.
The test resolutions are set relatively low to rule out GPU bottlenecking.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:24:51 No.103921668
>>103921427
Also forgot to mention I will probs be using the new CPU core 9 285H coming out in February.
Also forgot to mention I will probs be using the new CPU core 9 285H coming out in February.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:25:37 No.103921679
>>103921649
prob fine if you use the dx11 exe, it launched on ps4 after all
but who would use a low end 6y old gpu anyhow
prob fine if you use the dx11 exe, it launched on ps4 after all
but who would use a low end 6y old gpu anyhow
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:26:22 No.103921688
guys, is the new b850 ds3h worth for 160 euros?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:26:40 No.103921690
>>103921597
I'm a different anon but it is funny watching you so valiantly defend them
Your posts stand out like a sore thumb
I'm a different anon but it is funny watching you so valiantly defend them
Your posts stand out like a sore thumb
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:26:46 No.103921693
Give me the qrd on apex, godlike, etc, why are these mobos fucking $1000+?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:27:16 No.103921701
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:27:28 No.103921703
>>103921693
Because they are Apex and are Godlike
Because they are Apex and are Godlike
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:27:44 No.103921708
>>103921693
because no one buys them
because no one buys them
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:27:59 No.103921711
>>103921510
4080s are all gone, should've bought before black november
4080s are all gone, should've bought before black november
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:28:21 No.103921715
>>103921653
Interesting. Thank you anon
Interesting. Thank you anon
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:28:26 No.103921716
>>103921653
And a 13600KF strictly tuned for gaming performance (with e-cores enabled) can match an overclocked 14900K/S.
All the manual memory OC on Arrow Lake is spent on trying to offset the inherent memory latency of that platform.
And a 13600KF strictly tuned for gaming performance (with e-cores enabled) can match an overclocked 14900K/S.
All the manual memory OC on Arrow Lake is spent on trying to offset the inherent memory latency of that platform.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:28:38 No.103921719
>>103921701
I can't believe a 3060 still costs $300
I can't believe a 3060 still costs $300
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:28:39 No.103921720
CPUs are the only component which have sane prices anymore. $200 CPUs used to be the bang for buck kings, they still are due to the r5 7600. Best gaming CPUs were 400-600, they still are.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:29:27 No.103921734
>>103921719
I technically dont need that 3060 but I was told by people that if Im going to drop at least 200 for older gpus, just get the 3060 for a 100 more.
I technically dont need that 3060 but I was told by people that if Im going to drop at least 200 for older gpus, just get the 3060 for a 100 more.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:30:11 No.103921742
>>103921690
My point is all four of these board manufacturers are playing the same game, including ASRock.
There is no ASRock vs. "them" going on in the real world, it's a fiction made up by ignorant neets.
My point is all four of these board manufacturers are playing the same game, including ASRock.
There is no ASRock vs. "them" going on in the real world, it's a fiction made up by ignorant neets.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:31:10 No.103921750
>>103921734
You actually need a better GPU, 7700x can handle even better ones. But to get better ones you need to spend over 400 these days.
You actually need a better GPU, 7700x can handle even better ones. But to get better ones you need to spend over 400 these days.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:32:22 No.103921766
>>103921701
You would have to be retarded to buy an MX500. I've had mine for years and it just got relegated to an external enclosure, basically a big drive I can put movies on and take to friend's houses
You would have to be retarded to buy an MX500. I've had mine for years and it just got relegated to an external enclosure, basically a big drive I can put movies on and take to friend's houses
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:32:23 No.103921767
>>103921750
this is mostly for work and maybe a 4K display or a widescreen. not doing anything too hard on it. might run a bit of low level WoW occassionally but thats it
this is mostly for work and maybe a 4K display or a widescreen. not doing anything too hard on it. might run a bit of low level WoW occassionally but thats it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:35:54 No.103921810
>>103921688
What country? Probably not as B850 boards are just rebadged B650 boards typically for more money.
What country? Probably not as B850 boards are just rebadged B650 boards typically for more money.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:36:56 No.103921823
>>103921742
So willing to call out neets must mean your paid to do this.
Where do I apply to shill like this?
So willing to call out neets must mean your paid to do this.
Where do I apply to shill like this?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:37:21 No.103921827
>>103921810
8vcore vs 6 vcore vrm and pcie 5 x16. not a rebadge but i agree its overpriced
8vcore vs 6 vcore vrm and pcie 5 x16. not a rebadge but i agree its overpriced
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:37:22 No.103921828
>>103921360
Original looks way better. What a self own.
Original looks way better. What a self own.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:39:25 No.103921847
>>103921693
Because mobo manufacturers saw what Nvidia was getting away with and wanted a slice of the pie.
Because mobo manufacturers saw what Nvidia was getting away with and wanted a slice of the pie.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:40:10 No.103921856
>>103921823
Why are you acting this sensitive over the reality of ASRock's business? They're in this little game with ASUSTek.
You thought ASRock were some kind of social justice brand?
Look at their board of directors list, does it look like these guys are set up to compete against the Republic of Gamers? Kek.
https://www.asrock.com/general/investor.asp?cat=Manage
Why are you acting this sensitive over the reality of ASRock's business? They're in this little game with ASUSTek.
You thought ASRock were some kind of social justice brand?
Look at their board of directors list, does it look like these guys are set up to compete against the Republic of Gamers? Kek.
https://www.asrock.com/general/inve
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:40:38 No.103921860
I have a confession to make…
…I am brown.
…I am brown.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:42:06 No.103921875
Whats a good gpu for 1440p if I'm locked to the am4 socket and looking at a ryzen 5700x3d as an upgrade? I have an rtx 2070s now so I'd like my update to be somewhat significant without spending anywhere near $1000. I know the new rx 9070 xt (or whatever) might be good, but I'm also trying to figure out what other cards to watch for price drops as the new lines come out.
Note to shills: I dont care about being accused of poverty and no I won't spend more money than my budget because some retard tried to money shame me anonymously.
Note to shills: I dont care about being accused of poverty and no I won't spend more money than my budget because some retard tried to money shame me anonymously.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:42:11 No.103921876
>>103921693
The absolute top of the line boards exist exclusively to trap spendpigs. They know it's a market segment, so they serve it by making a board with every stupid whizbang upsell they could possibly cram into it and jack the pirce up to hit killer margins.
All you need is a midline board.
The absolute top of the line boards exist exclusively to trap spendpigs. They know it's a market segment, so they serve it by making a board with every stupid whizbang upsell they could possibly cram into it and jack the pirce up to hit killer margins.
All you need is a midline board.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:43:04 No.103921888
>>103921856
I'm not upset
It amuses me you respond so quickly and with such vigor everytime the Taiwan cartel is brought up
You know it's a cartel and your very much happy for it and will defend their interests, even for something as trivial as the load line nonsense from your chain of posts
I'm not upset
It amuses me you respond so quickly and with such vigor everytime the Taiwan cartel is brought up
You know it's a cartel and your very much happy for it and will defend their interests, even for something as trivial as the load line nonsense from your chain of posts
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:44:38 No.103921901
>>103921860
disgusting....
disgusting....
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:44:59 No.103921904
>>103921856
All this is so stupid. Who fucking cares.
All that matters is that as far as X870 boards are concerned, the Asrock options have PROVEN to be more stable and reliable than the Asus offerings - while also being a purely better value. Plus, Asus bios is among the most annoying.
I don't care if buying Asrock is still funneling money to Asustek. Maybe Asus should build better fucking boards if they want me to buy their higher margin offerings.
All this is so stupid. Who fucking cares.
All that matters is that as far as X870 boards are concerned, the Asrock options have PROVEN to be more stable and reliable than the Asus offerings - while also being a purely better value. Plus, Asus bios is among the most annoying.
I don't care if buying Asrock is still funneling money to Asustek. Maybe Asus should build better fucking boards if they want me to buy their higher margin offerings.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:45:39 No.103921911
>>103921888
>even for something as trivial
It wasn't trivial enough for the other guy to continue the conversation.
Buy ASRock boards kids, show the middle finger to ASUSTek by buying their little brother's boards.
ASRock is totally not part of the Taiwanese cartel, when over 50% of it is owned by ASUS-related businesses. Kek.
>even for something as trivial
It wasn't trivial enough for the other guy to continue the conversation.
Buy ASRock boards kids, show the middle finger to ASUSTek by buying their little brother's boards.
ASRock is totally not part of the Taiwanese cartel, when over 50% of it is owned by ASUS-related businesses. Kek.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:46:09 No.103921915
How are intel CPUs nowadays? I've been screwed by AMD in the past and I don't want to give them money if I can help it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:46:42 No.103921925
>>103921915
They're shit,
They're shit,
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:47:11 No.103921929
>>103921904
You obviously cared enough to reply.
Fight the good fight anon, buy ASRock boards.
Show those Taiwanese board cartels your money matters. Kek.
You obviously cared enough to reply.
Fight the good fight anon, buy ASRock boards.
Show those Taiwanese board cartels your money matters. Kek.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:48:02 No.103921933
>>103921911
I guess you are happy it exists since you didn't deny it
I guess you are happy it exists since you didn't deny it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:48:29 No.103921940
>>103921547
Yeah but like I need to know now so I don't lose my shit waiting in line if they're too expensive
Yeah but like I need to know now so I don't lose my shit waiting in line if they're too expensive
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:48:38 No.103921942
>>103921767
Just use the iGPU on the 7700X, the only task that might require a dGPU could be WoW but on low/mid settings you might not even care and if you find the performance unacceptable just drop in a GPU then.
Just use the iGPU on the 7700X, the only task that might require a dGPU could be WoW but on low/mid settings you might not even care and if you find the performance unacceptable just drop in a GPU then.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:48:45 No.103921943
>>103921915
How were you screwed and when? I can only speak for ryzen, with which I've had good luck on 2 different chips. Ryzen is pretty much king of gaming cpus today if that matters to you, for workloads intel seems to be better.
How were you screwed and when? I can only speak for ryzen, with which I've had good luck on 2 different chips. Ryzen is pretty much king of gaming cpus today if that matters to you, for workloads intel seems to be better.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:49:09 No.103921952
>>103921933
Where is your ASRock shill message anon? Fight the good fight against the Taiwanese cartels, kek.
Where is your ASRock shill message anon? Fight the good fight against the Taiwanese cartels, kek.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:49:34 No.103921959
>>103921943
he probably had a bulldozer kek
he probably had a bulldozer kek
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:49:39 No.103921960
>intelaviv techtubers are now comparing battlemage to gpus from 2020 to get any slight win
holy fucking kek
holy fucking kek
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:49:55 No.103921961
>>103921952
Still didn't deny it
Still didn't deny it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:50:01 No.103921964
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:50:19 No.103921969
>>103921911
It has nothing to do with giving Asus the finger or sticking it to them, and everything to do with getting a superior product at a price more reflective of what you're getting.
The heat sinks on the last Asus board I bought were no doubt expensive to manufacture, but they're a dogshit design with reduced surface area so they just make the board expensive and heavy without a proportionate increase in ability to cool. It came with a fucking individually packaged special card with a QR code that displayed an AR breakdancing dogbot. Why the fuck would anyone want to pay for that? Who is that even for? Asus needs to unfuck their engineering and get back to doing shit well. At the moment, regardless of corporate ownership or board structure, Asrock and Gigabyte show me more respect as a customer than Asus.
It has nothing to do with giving Asus the finger or sticking it to them, and everything to do with getting a superior product at a price more reflective of what you're getting.
The heat sinks on the last Asus board I bought were no doubt expensive to manufacture, but they're a dogshit design with reduced surface area so they just make the board expensive and heavy without a proportionate increase in ability to cool. It came with a fucking individually packaged special card with a QR code that displayed an AR breakdancing dogbot. Why the fuck would anyone want to pay for that? Who is that even for? Asus needs to unfuck their engineering and get back to doing shit well. At the moment, regardless of corporate ownership or board structure, Asrock and Gigabyte show me more respect as a customer than Asus.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:50:42 No.103921972
>>103921960
to be fair tho intel only recently released their first gen GPUs, gen 1. Nvidia and Radeon has had 25 years of experience on them. Competing with mid range GPUs on the same scale is impressive.
to be fair tho intel only recently released their first gen GPUs, gen 1. Nvidia and Radeon has had 25 years of experience on them. Competing with mid range GPUs on the same scale is impressive.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:51:05 No.103921975
>>103921961
ASRock is part of "them" anon, don't forget that.
ASRock is part of "them" anon, don't forget that.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:52:12 No.103921987
>>103921975
And your happy that's the case, aren't you?
And your happy that's the case, aren't you?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:52:38 No.103921990
>>103921827
>8vcore vs 6 vcore vrm
VRM design does not depend on the chipset being used.
>pcie 5 x16. not a rebadge but i agree its overpriced
Even the 4090 didn't show any scaling in PCIe versions and it's a waste on NVME for client use also.
>8vcore vs 6 vcore vrm
VRM design does not depend on the chipset being used.
>pcie 5 x16. not a rebadge but i agree its overpriced
Even the 4090 didn't show any scaling in PCIe versions and it's a waste on NVME for client use also.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:52:46 No.103921991
>>103921975
Irrelevant to me. All that matters is the quality of the product and it's relative value to comparable offerings. This gen, Asus put on a humiliating display. The corporate overlords should be peeved.
Irrelevant to me. All that matters is the quality of the product and it's relative value to comparable offerings. This gen, Asus put on a humiliating display. The corporate overlords should be peeved.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:54:31 No.103922008
>>103921969
Every time you buy an ASRock board, you're just choosing to buy from ASUS's more affordable brother brand.
ASUS is happy to keep your business on their brother Pegatron's income statement.
Every time you buy an ASRock board, you're just choosing to buy from ASUS's more affordable brother brand.
ASUS is happy to keep your business on their brother Pegatron's income statement.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:55:15 No.103922013
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:55:45 No.103922018
>>103921990
You said boards, not chipset. And yeah b850 is a scam but its the cheapest b850 i have at my disposal.
You said boards, not chipset. And yeah b850 is a scam but its the cheapest b850 i have at my disposal.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:56:55 No.103922030
>>103921915
I like them but the gaming kids don't
I like them but the gaming kids don't
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:57:43 No.103922043
>>103922013
ASUSTek beat their earnings estimate by 31% last quarter, they're doing fine without your few hundred dollars.
Meanwhile, Pegatron missed earnings estimates by 0.71%
It looks like catering to neets isn't a profitable business.
ASUSTek beat their earnings estimate by 31% last quarter, they're doing fine without your few hundred dollars.
Meanwhile, Pegatron missed earnings estimates by 0.71%
It looks like catering to neets isn't a profitable business.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)15:58:49 No.103922055
>>103922018
I specifically said "B850 boards". If you can a B850 for the same or less price locally than a B650 version for the same or better feature set go for it. Typically what has happened in the past several months though is they slap the bigger chipset number on the board and charge more because it's technically "newer" and lower in-stock despite there being no major improvements in the feature set.
I specifically said "B850 boards". If you can a B850 for the same or less price locally than a B650 version for the same or better feature set go for it. Typically what has happened in the past several months though is they slap the bigger chipset number on the board and charge more because it's technically "newer" and lower in-stock despite there being no major improvements in the feature set.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:00:59 No.103922084
>>103922055
next in line is b650m pro rs with same specs except pcie 4.0 x16 and one extra pcie 3x2. for 150
next in line is b650m pro rs with same specs except pcie 4.0 x16 and one extra pcie 3x2. for 150
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:01:16 No.103922086
>>103922043
>missed their estimates by 0.71%
Anyone but a short seller would call this meeting estimates
>missed their estimates by 0.71%
Anyone but a short seller would call this meeting estimates
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:02:31 No.103922099
>>103922008
OK, and if it's a better board so what?
OK, and if it's a better board so what?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:03:11 No.103922108
>>103922084
Do that instead. PCIe speeds beyond 3.0 are superfluous and put the money into a bigger storage drive, stronger CPU/GPU, etc. or just pocket it.
Do that instead. PCIe speeds beyond 3.0 are superfluous and put the money into a bigger storage drive, stronger CPU/GPU, etc. or just pocket it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:04:15 No.103922115
>>103922043
Are you an Asus stockholder?
Come on anon, show how successful you are compared to those neets
Are you an Asus stockholder?
Come on anon, show how successful you are compared to those neets
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:06:57 No.103922141
>>103918802
Even if it's not bad you ought to be able to warranty it. Nobody with sense will ever buy a used 13/14th gen CPU. You'll never offload it (as people often do when upgrading their system).
Even if it's not bad you ought to be able to warranty it. Nobody with sense will ever buy a used 13/14th gen CPU. You'll never offload it (as people often do when upgrading their system).
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:09:00 No.103922159
>>103922141
I hope this is true so I can snatch dirt cheap 14900ks's to bin in a few years
I hope this is true so I can snatch dirt cheap 14900ks's to bin in a few years
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:10:56 No.103922174
>>103922159
Wouldn't advise it, it draws too much power and runs too hot. 300W+
The P-cores are okay but all those power inefficient E-cores fucked up 13 & 14th gen CPUs.
They should've designed a new e-core for these CPUs instead of using better binned 12th gen e-cores.
Wouldn't advise it, it draws too much power and runs too hot. 300W+
The P-cores are okay but all those power inefficient E-cores fucked up 13 & 14th gen CPUs.
They should've designed a new e-core for these CPUs instead of using better binned 12th gen e-cores.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:12:43 No.103922196
Probably going to sell my 12600K for reasons but not the motherboard.
Is my best option going for a 14700K?
Is my best option going for a 14700K?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:14:51 No.103922220
>>103922174
I have a chilled liquid cooled setup so that heat doesn't bother me .
I don't even consider the e cores to be on the die and will just disable them for more power to the 8 actual core
I have a chilled liquid cooled setup so that heat doesn't bother me .
I don't even consider the e cores to be on the die and will just disable them for more power to the 8 actual core
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:15:04 No.103922222
>>103922196
14600K is also a good option for gaming, try to get either of them at a discount.
14700K's all-time low was at around $285.
If you have a decent DDR5 kit, it's not a bad idea to sell the Intel board and buy AM5.
14600K is also a good option for gaming, try to get either of them at a discount.
14700K's all-time low was at around $285.
If you have a decent DDR5 kit, it's not a bad idea to sell the Intel board and buy AM5.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:16:15 No.103922234
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:16:17 No.103922235
can I run a 7900xtx on 850w or should I upgrade?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:16:41 No.103922239
>>103922220
If it's for OC'd gaming, plenty of newer games run better with the e-cores left on.
Disable HT for gaming if you want more thermal headroom.
If it's for OC'd gaming, plenty of newer games run better with the e-cores left on.
Disable HT for gaming if you want more thermal headroom.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:17:26 No.103922246
>>103922222
Any places to check for promotions/discounts online US? I'll buy either of those.
Any places to check for promotions/discounts online US? I'll buy either of those.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:17:27 No.103922248
>>103922222
CHECKED
CHECKED
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:17:41 No.103922250
>>103922235
850W PSU is fine.
850W PSU is fine.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:17:46 No.103922252
>>103921943
The long story short is that I picked up a new midline AMD GPU right before the crypto boom send the market into a spin and less than a year into its life they discontinued driver support.
The longer version is that I bought that specific card because it was advertised with a specific feature for a good price. When I got it set up I realized it didn't actually support that feature natively and AMD assured me that support would be added in a future driver revision. Then they discontinued driver support without ever delivering on that and I was screwed into an early upgrade to get the functionality I had actually been looking for.
The long story short is that I picked up a new midline AMD GPU right before the crypto boom send the market into a spin and less than a year into its life they discontinued driver support.
The longer version is that I bought that specific card because it was advertised with a specific feature for a good price. When I got it set up I realized it didn't actually support that feature natively and AMD assured me that support would be added in a future driver revision. Then they discontinued driver support without ever delivering on that and I was screwed into an early upgrade to get the functionality I had actually been looking for.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:21:22 No.103922280
>>103922252
>The longer version is that I bought that specific card because it was advertised with a specific feature for a good price. When I got it set up I realized it didn't actually support that feature natively and AMD assured me that support would be added in a future driver revision.
do you SAM
>The longer version is that I bought that specific card because it was advertised with a specific feature for a good price. When I got it set up I realized it didn't actually support that feature natively and AMD assured me that support would be added in a future driver revision.
do you SAM
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:21:51 No.103922286
>>103922246
PCPartPicker, it looks like the 14600KF for $220 is the best deal, you even get the new Assassin's Creed.
But you need a dGPU for -KF CPUs.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zyyH99/intel-core-i5-14600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071514600kf
The price for the 13700K ($300) and 14700K ($315) isn't too bad, but I would get these only if you need the extra multithreaded performance.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu/#F=101,102&C=14,64&sort=price&page=1
PCPartPicker, it looks like the 14600KF for $220 is the best deal, you even get the new Assassin's Creed.
But you need a dGPU for -KF CPUs.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zy
The price for the 13700K ($300) and 14700K ($315) isn't too bad, but I would get these only if you need the extra multithreaded performance.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/c
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:25:20 No.103922320
>>103922239
>Disable HT
I'm already doing this on my current 12600kf but not for thermals since I have essentially unlimited cooling but for the same reason I disable e cores .
Latency in all tasks especially video game emulation
>Disable HT
I'm already doing this on my current 12600kf but not for thermals since I have essentially unlimited cooling but for the same reason I disable e cores .
Latency in all tasks especially video game emulation
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:26:56 No.103922342
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:28:40 No.103922354
Planning to upgrade CPU, GPU, RAM and motherboard. Mostly 1440p gaming and a bit of blender and stuff. Everything else I'd keep, running on a custom loop. Not quite sure about the GPU, I'm not too big of a fan of generated frames, but I'll still wait for proper raster benchmarks. Any comments?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:29:19 No.103922363
>>103921915
If you're asking about Arrow Lake, it's okay for productivity use cases.
Intel just hasn't publicly committed to extending LGA 1851 board socket support beyond Arrow Lake CPUs.
The socket was supposed to last for desktop Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake, but Meteor Lake desktop CPUs weren't worth mass-producing.
If you're asking about 13/14th gen, it doesn't make much sense to buy into this platform compared to AM5 unless a retailer's offering a great platform bundle.
If you're asking about Arrow Lake, it's okay for productivity use cases.
Intel just hasn't publicly committed to extending LGA 1851 board socket support beyond Arrow Lake CPUs.
The socket was supposed to last for desktop Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake, but Meteor Lake desktop CPUs weren't worth mass-producing.
If you're asking about 13/14th gen, it doesn't make much sense to buy into this platform compared to AM5 unless a retailer's offering a great platform bundle.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:33:57 No.103922411
>>103922252
Totally understandable, I haven't used one of their gpus since the 580. The processors have been nice for me and a lot of my friends recently, so do with that what you will.
Totally understandable, I haven't used one of their gpus since the 580. The processors have been nice for me and a lot of my friends recently, so do with that what you will.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:38:29 No.103922455
>>103918110
Why is your pc lined with images of women you will never fuck?
Why is your pc lined with images of women you will never fuck?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:45:13 No.103922503
>>103922354
Someone talked about X870/E and B850 boards having better memory trace optimizations, but I'm not sure if it's true.
It was true for Intel Z790 boards moving from Z690 though.
The newer AMD boards will also get priority on BIOS updates.
Someone talked about X870/E and B850 boards having better memory trace optimizations, but I'm not sure if it's true.
It was true for Intel Z790 boards moving from Z690 though.
The newer AMD boards will also get priority on BIOS updates.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)16:52:24 No.103922561
>>103922503
>X870/E and B850 boards having better memory trace optimizations
This is indeed true, but it doesn't really matter unless you're pushing RAM OC limits (8000+ MT/s) which you don't really have any reason to on Zen 5 chips.
Still I wouldn't recommend getting older X670/B650 boards unless you're doing a budget build, it's just not worth it.
>X870/E and B850 boards having better memory trace optimizations
This is indeed true, but it doesn't really matter unless you're pushing RAM OC limits (8000+ MT/s) which you don't really have any reason to on Zen 5 chips.
Still I wouldn't recommend getting older X670/B650 boards unless you're doing a budget build, it's just not worth it.
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:40:01 No.103923052
>>103919438
So they didn’t even try to replicate hardware unboxed’s testing?
So they didn’t even try to replicate hardware unboxed’s testing?
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)17:56:29 No.103923205
>>103921942
ended up dropping the 3060. micro center was out of it
ended up dropping the 3060. micro center was out of it
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)18:03:46 No.103923293
>>103923205
Congrats on your new PC, have fun building it and post final build when you can pls ;)
Congrats on your new PC, have fun building it and post final build when you can pls ;)
Anonymous 01/16/25(Thu)19:24:12 No.103923986
>>103921875
(was) In a very similar situation - just upgraded to a 5700x3d to get more mileage out of mobo and went from a 2070S to a 4070S (both FE)
I don't know what you're upgrading from CPU-wise though.
The performance increase is noticeable but I already regret not just holding fast for a gen or two more and building a new rig altogether. I would advise you to do this if you're not too desperate to upgrade.
(was) In a very similar situation - just upgraded to a 5700x3d to get more mileage out of mobo and went from a 2070S to a 4070S (both FE)
I don't know what you're upgrading from CPU-wise though.
The performance increase is noticeable but I already regret not just holding fast for a gen or two more and building a new rig altogether. I would advise you to do this if you're not too desperate to upgrade.