/pcbg/ - PC Building General
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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q4 2024)
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Perv: >>103953214
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/inde
>PC Figures
<90mm base: Nendoroids, Deformed Figure, Mini Chara Stand
90-120mm base: Figma, Pop Up Parade (Non L/XL), Arylic Stand (<19cm height)
120-140mm base: 1/8 Scale, Pop Up Parade (L)
140mm+ base: 1/7+ Scale, Pop Up Parade (XL)
AVOID: Funko Pops
>CASE
ATX: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact
AVOID CASES WITHOUT FRONT GLASS PANEL
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GB
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580,
Mid range: SN770
Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5
>GPU
1440p: RTX 5070, RTX 5070 TI
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
Look out for RX 9070XT even if it may be doa
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/be
>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
Perv: >>103953214
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:37:48 No.103956861
Nvidia won
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:38:06 No.103956867
Navi 48 delivering 4080 performance for $500 cope is over btw. It's finished.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:38:15 No.103956868
>future is going to be a lot of frame gen to reach 1000hz
>still a lot of old graphics stuff they want to get rid of
>technically still not even ray tracing because 3d objects are actually 2d
>nvidia wants to do a better job with subsurface scattering and how light interacts through surfaces
>wants to change how graphics typically model the outside representation of an object
ooooh i can see where they are going
>still a lot of old graphics stuff they want to get rid of
>technically still not even ray tracing because 3d objects are actually 2d
>nvidia wants to do a better job with subsurface scattering and how light interacts through surfaces
>wants to change how graphics typically model the outside representation of an object
ooooh i can see where they are going
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:39:08 No.103956878
>>103956823
>AMD designed rdna4 on nvidia raising their price for rtx5000
>switched from 6nm to 4nm (same as nvidia)
>more rt cores which eats up extra die space
its going to be expensive, i think it will be $750
>AMD designed rdna4 on nvidia raising their price for rtx5000
>switched from 6nm to 4nm (same as nvidia)
>more rt cores which eats up extra die space
its going to be expensive, i think it will be $750
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:39:37 No.103956885
>>103956868
the future is neural objects that learn from their surroundings and tell the light how to pass through them btw
so a neural shader and material for an object. very cool
the future is neural objects that learn from their surroundings and tell the light how to pass through them btw
so a neural shader and material for an object. very cool
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:40:45 No.103956895
are we ever going to see modern low end again?
where’s the gpu for those of us who are just playing Roblox and vanilla Minecraft in 1080p
the gpu for the masses
the modern 750ti
because all the low end choices for the last few years have either not existed or just kinda suck like the 6gb 3050
where’s the gpu for those of us who are just playing Roblox and vanilla Minecraft in 1080p
the gpu for the masses
the modern 750ti
because all the low end choices for the last few years have either not existed or just kinda suck like the 6gb 3050
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:41:09 No.103956897
>>103956885
>hair nigga calls "raster" bottom up rendering, where you are trying to render every single pixel in the scene (every hair, drop of water, etc)
>making a shift from bottom up to top down with AI
>hair nigga calls "raster" bottom up rendering, where you are trying to render every single pixel in the scene (every hair, drop of water, etc)
>making a shift from bottom up to top down with AI
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:41:40 No.103956903
>>103956895
>where’s the gpu for those of us who are just playing Roblox and vanilla Minecraft in 1080p
B580
>where’s the gpu for those of us who are just playing Roblox and vanilla Minecraft in 1080p
B580
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:42:27 No.103956913
>>103956878
So what was this all about then? They could've just made more 7900GREs and skip this RDNA 4 shit. UDNA will save us, just you wait.
So what was this all about then? They could've just made more 7900GREs and skip this RDNA 4 shit. UDNA will save us, just you wait.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:42:30 No.103956915
>DLSS doesn't support VSYNC
WHAT
WHAT
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:43:20 No.103956926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyxXRXDtcPA
in the future ai will know what kinda content you find sexually attractive and just output that on the screen skipping trad polygon rendering
in the future ai will know what kinda content you find sexually attractive and just output that on the screen skipping trad polygon rendering
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:43:37 No.103956931
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:43:38 No.103956933
>>103956915
Why are you using vsync in anno domini 1995+30?
Why are you using vsync in anno domini 1995+30?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:43:54 No.103956937
>>103956903
That is a $250 12gb card
I’m thinking more along the lines of sub $150 4/6gb card, ideally pcie power only
Basically a 6gb 3050 but not suck
Surely if the 5090 can be this monument of technological progress they can scrape off 5% of it and call it a 5050
That is a $250 12gb card
I’m thinking more along the lines of sub $150 4/6gb card, ideally pcie power only
Basically a 6gb 3050 but not suck
Surely if the 5090 can be this monument of technological progress they can scrape off 5% of it and call it a 5050
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:44:15 No.103956942
>>103956878
They probably didn't count on Nvidia making so much money on AI they can sell their lower end RTX cards at cost and make the actual profit with the 80 and 90
They probably didn't count on Nvidia making so much money on AI they can sell their lower end RTX cards at cost and make the actual profit with the 80 and 90
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:44:41 No.103956943
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:44:54 No.103956949
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:45:12 No.103956956
>>103956895
>are we ever going to see modern low end again?
No, because the power delivery components needed to safely run a theoretical $180~200 RTX 4050 is going to cost about the same as an RTX 4060 which has a $300 MSRP.
NVIDIA and AMD already don't like the margins on the RTX 4060 and RX 7600.
AMD Radeon wanted to charge a higher price for the RX 7600 but made a last-minute pricing change like they're trying to do now with the 9070XT.
>are we ever going to see modern low end again?
No, because the power delivery components needed to safely run a theoretical $180~200 RTX 4050 is going to cost about the same as an RTX 4060 which has a $300 MSRP.
NVIDIA and AMD already don't like the margins on the RTX 4060 and RX 7600.
AMD Radeon wanted to charge a higher price for the RX 7600 but made a last-minute pricing change like they're trying to do now with the 9070XT.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:45:20 No.103956960
>>103956937
Unironically any iGPU can do it these days, even the basic 2CU ones built into standard AMD CPUs
Unironically any iGPU can do it these days, even the basic 2CU ones built into standard AMD CPUs
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:46:39 No.103956975
Will I be comfortable at 4K high refresh rate with a 5080? I'm currently on a 3070 and even with DLSS Performance it's tough to reach 60 at 4k especially with actually demanding games as opposed to something like Marvel Rivals.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:46:59 No.103956977
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:47:10 No.103956981
>>103956915
But it does?
Vsync engages when the fps exceeds your monitors hz since it's not a perfect limiter. That's why you need a real limiter like RTSS or in-game or reflex.
But it does?
Vsync engages when the fps exceeds your monitors hz since it's not a perfect limiter. That's why you need a real limiter like RTSS or in-game or reflex.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:47:32 No.103956993
>>103956975
no
5090 is the designated 4k gpu and its over twice the perf of 5080
dont buy 4k if you're poor
no
5090 is the designated 4k gpu and its over twice the perf of 5080
dont buy 4k if you're poor
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:47:49 No.103956999
>>103956937
They don't want to waste the PCB, associated components, manufacturing & shipping costs, just to sell a sub-$150 card.
The $300 4060's PCB is already profit-maxxed out.
They don't want to waste the PCB, associated components, manufacturing & shipping costs, just to sell a sub-$150 card.
The $300 4060's PCB is already profit-maxxed out.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:49:00 No.103957014
>>103956956
>No, because the power delivery components needed to safely run a theoretical $180~200 RTX 4050 is going to cost about the same as an RTX 4060
Wut?
The 4060 is already a card that uses minuscule amounts of power, the 4050 would be lower.
The 550 ti had a TDP of 116w
>No, because the power delivery components needed to safely run a theoretical $180~200 RTX 4050 is going to cost about the same as an RTX 4060
Wut?
The 4060 is already a card that uses minuscule amounts of power, the 4050 would be lower.
The 550 ti had a TDP of 116w
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:49:13 No.103957016
>>103956878
>Pricing pressure from Nvidia
kek. Amd leaked everything from specs, benchmark and even unboxing video... everything except the price, which is the most important thing. The fact that they didn't goes to show you its going to be expensive and their fans will be really mad about it once lisa showed them the price.
>>103956913
>UDNA will save
2 more years, trust the plan
>Pricing pressure from Nvidia
kek. Amd leaked everything from specs, benchmark and even unboxing video... everything except the price, which is the most important thing. The fact that they didn't goes to show you its going to be expensive and their fans will be really mad about it once lisa showed them the price.
>>103956913
>UDNA will save
2 more years, trust the plan
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:50:19 No.103957023
>hair nigga is a big fan of digital foundry
>mark cerny said the same thing
It must feel pretty cool when all the tech nerds making all the tech watch your videos
Double edged sword too though, because now you have to watch what you say about how good or bad something really is
>mark cerny said the same thing
It must feel pretty cool when all the tech nerds making all the tech watch your videos
Double edged sword too though, because now you have to watch what you say about how good or bad something really is
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:50:44 No.103957026
>>103957014
Look at the fucking board picture, I posted above.
The 4060's GPU's only got 4-phase VRM.
Reducing one or two of those power phases isn't going to drastically cut the overall cost of the completed board.
Look at the fucking board picture, I posted above.
The 4060's GPU's only got 4-phase VRM.
Reducing one or two of those power phases isn't going to drastically cut the overall cost of the completed board.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:51:32 No.103957037
>>103957023
they've been remarkably successfull at not getting bogged down to woke politics somehow all while being the #1 games focused tech channel
they've been remarkably successfull at not getting bogged down to woke politics somehow all while being the #1 games focused tech channel
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:51:48 No.103957043
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:52:27 No.103957055
>>103957023
Sony for some reason holds metacritic and digital foundry to high regard. If your Sony game doesn't get a certain metacritic score it doesn't get another sequel even if it sold well.
Sony for some reason holds metacritic and digital foundry to high regard. If your Sony game doesn't get a certain metacritic score it doesn't get another sequel even if it sold well.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:52:51 No.103957062
>>103956999
I fail to see how the pcb and surrounding components would be the most expensive parts of designing a modern low end gpu, surely a tiny die in line with something like the gt1030 wouldn’t need much at all going on with the pcb, slot power, maybe 1 or 2 memory modules, no other I/o beyond an hdmi and a displayport, if the GT 1010 can exist then so can an RTX 5050
I fail to see how the pcb and surrounding components would be the most expensive parts of designing a modern low end gpu, surely a tiny die in line with something like the gt1030 wouldn’t need much at all going on with the pcb, slot power, maybe 1 or 2 memory modules, no other I/o beyond an hdmi and a displayport, if the GT 1010 can exist then so can an RTX 5050
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:53:14 No.103957065
The Zesty guy is saying that current Ray Tracing isn't enough in this interview. He is dissatisfied that game graphics are still basically bouncing light of 2D surfaces not real 3D objects and that is handles transparent surfaces poorly. In fact he doesn't like polygons and says the past 50 years of 3d modelling is not accurate and needs to be changed. Neural rendering is going to see a much bigger push. Nvidia is not gonna stop.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:53:53 No.103957072
>>103956926
when will NVIDIA create the Cell processor of gpus
when will NVIDIA create the Cell processor of gpus
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:54:01 No.103957074
>>103956937
AMD APUs have gotten good enough to fill the sub-250€ pricepoint. They are more than good enough for Minecraft and Roblox.
AMD APUs have gotten good enough to fill the sub-250€ pricepoint. They are more than good enough for Minecraft and Roblox.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:54:09 No.103957078
>>103957026
I think you are overselling the cost if power delivery
Here is a 4 phase PCB on a $120 card (equivalent to $170 today)
I think you are overselling the cost if power delivery
Here is a 4 phase PCB on a $120 card (equivalent to $170 today)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:54:42 No.103957082
>>103957074
I disagree. There isn't a single one on the level of a 1080ti.
I disagree. There isn't a single one on the level of a 1080ti.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:54:45 No.103957083
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:54:55 No.103957085
why the FUCK is the ASRock X870E Nova impossible to find in stock still reeeeeeeee
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:55:13 No.103957088
>>103957065
the future is neural rendering that communicates with neural pixels on your AI monitors
the future is neural rendering that communicates with neural pixels on your AI monitors
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:55:50 No.103957096
>>103957085
that random mobo sure must be crucial for running elden ring at good fps
that random mobo sure must be crucial for running elden ring at good fps
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:56:04 No.103957097
>>103956993
>dont buy 4k if you're poor
its more viable to buy a 4k display than a 4k gpu, you can enjoy 4k display without rendering games a 4k native
>its over twice the perf of 5080
twice the price and hardware you mean
>dont buy 4k if you're poor
its more viable to buy a 4k display than a 4k gpu, you can enjoy 4k display without rendering games a 4k native
>its over twice the perf of 5080
twice the price and hardware you mean
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:56:17 No.103957099
>>103957062
Then you are fucking dumbass because it's more profitable for NVIDIA to bulk sell poorly-binned AD107s to laptop OEM as RTX 4050 Mobile chips instead of making a dGPU variant for destitute PC gamers.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4050-mobile.c3953
Then you are fucking dumbass because it's more profitable for NVIDIA to bulk sell poorly-binned AD107s to laptop OEM as RTX 4050 Mobile chips instead of making a dGPU variant for destitute PC gamers.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spe
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:56:26 No.103957105
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:56:29 No.103957108
The era of RTX is over. The era of NTX will soon begin.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:57:16 No.103957118
Wait, is the new reflex 2 yet another framegen-tier scam? I kinda missed the point
They just apply the latest input from mouse to the latest frame by editing the frame with AI? That’s it?
They just apply the latest input from mouse to the latest frame by editing the frame with AI? That’s it?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:57:27 No.103957121
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:57:30 No.103957122
>>103957097
even when using dlss 5080 wont be maxing out the upcoming oled monitors refresh rate at 1440p if you're talking about single player path traced titles
even when using dlss 5080 wont be maxing out the upcoming oled monitors refresh rate at 1440p if you're talking about single player path traced titles
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:57:38 No.103957125
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:58:11 No.103957130
>>103957078
The point is the fucking margin retard.
NVIDIA can sell a video card with those power delivery components for $300.
Everyone's running a business, not a charity for you.
The product segment you want is literally not worth it for any of the three card manufacturers.
They don't want your $150 because NVIDIA's not even getting that full amount.
The point is the fucking margin retard.
NVIDIA can sell a video card with those power delivery components for $300.
Everyone's running a business, not a charity for you.
The product segment you want is literally not worth it for any of the three card manufacturers.
They don't want your $150 because NVIDIA's not even getting that full amount.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:58:20 No.103957132
Is it damaging to have such a low voltage present in your fan curve that it doesn't spin the fan ?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:59:00 No.103957139
>>103957085
I'm also waiting for this board but I'm about to say fuck it and grab a x870 tomahawk instead.
I'm also waiting for this board but I'm about to say fuck it and grab a x870 tomahawk instead.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:59:27 No.103957142
>>103957132
fans like spinning
fans like spinning
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:59:47 No.103957147
>>103957118
yes, basically. it does work but it's still not somethng you'd use competitively. it's 99% just to let you generate more frames without having too much latency, i think
yes, basically. it does work but it's still not somethng you'd use competitively. it's 99% just to let you generate more frames without having too much latency, i think
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:01:01 No.103957157
What's this BS that's been thrown around that Nvidia pressured and surprised AMD with the $549 price tag, when AMD's presentation was BEFORE Nvidia's?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:01:35 No.103957167
>>103956993
>5090 is the designated 4k gpu and its over twice the perf of 5080
Absolutely retarded
5090 will be approximately 30% faster than the 5080
>>103957065
>Nvidia is not gonna stop.
Good, give me full dive VR
>5090 is the designated 4k gpu and its over twice the perf of 5080
Absolutely retarded
5090 will be approximately 30% faster than the 5080
>>103957065
>Nvidia is not gonna stop.
Good, give me full dive VR
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:02:15 No.103957172
>>103957118
asycronous reprojection
which means native monitor hz input lag and the missing images around the frame where you aimed your mouse filled in with ai until the frame is rendered again
1 fps and 240hz native input lag and 240fps frame genned frames
0 input lag mode with the missing bits filled in by ai until the frame is rendered again
>>103957122
not talking about anything
asycronous reprojection
which means native monitor hz input lag and the missing images around the frame where you aimed your mouse filled in with ai until the frame is rendered again
1 fps and 240hz native input lag and 240fps frame genned frames
0 input lag mode with the missing bits filled in by ai until the frame is rendered again
>>103957122
not talking about anything
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:02:47 No.103957178
>>103957118
the game shifts your perspective and updates the next frame based on that
it has nothing to do with ai
nvidia didn't come up with this
vr headsets have been using it for over 10 years and its good and going to be necessary in competitive games
the game shifts your perspective and updates the next frame based on that
it has nothing to do with ai
nvidia didn't come up with this
vr headsets have been using it for over 10 years and its good and going to be necessary in competitive games
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:03:30 No.103957184
>>103957130
Then make your fucking point instead of making up BS about power delivery costs when it's shit that has only gotten cheaper as time goes on.
Then make your fucking point instead of making up BS about power delivery costs when it's shit that has only gotten cheaper as time goes on.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:04:05 No.103957190
>>103957157
They clearly got wind of the 5070=4090 claim and $549 price tag and bailed.
Announcing their cards at $600 would have been the blunder of the century
They clearly got wind of the 5070=4090 claim and $549 price tag and bailed.
Announcing their cards at $600 would have been the blunder of the century
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:04:15 No.103957193
>>103957097
>you can enjoy 4k display without rendering games a 4k native
Correct. Especially because 4K OLED has insane image quality (contrast, response time, color gamut, etc)
>>103957172
>asycronous reprojection
Not him, I found that Async Reprojection worked pretty well in VR, as long as you just move your head (view direction) and not your feet (spacial)
>you can enjoy 4k display without rendering games a 4k native
Correct. Especially because 4K OLED has insane image quality (contrast, response time, color gamut, etc)
>>103957172
>asycronous reprojection
Not him, I found that Async Reprojection worked pretty well in VR, as long as you just move your head (view direction) and not your feet (spacial)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:04:21 No.103957194
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:04:56 No.103957205
>he boughted AMD
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:06:26 No.103957226
>>103957194
Did you even look at the pic related? Tech Jebus is telling you that you're retarded
You'd have to be retarded to think that cores / TFLOPs scale at the high end
Compare 4090's cores / TFLOPs to the 4080's cores / TFLOPs and then look at relative performance
Did you even look at the pic related? Tech Jebus is telling you that you're retarded
You'd have to be retarded to think that cores / TFLOPs scale at the high end
Compare 4090's cores / TFLOPs to the 4080's cores / TFLOPs and then look at relative performance
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:06:36 No.103957233
Day 8 of asking for someone to leak the r570 driver
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:08:15 No.103957251
>>103957193
>Especially because 4K OLED has insane image quality (contrast, response time, color gamut, etc)
my qdoled monitor from yesterdays sleep to today when I started using the monitor again now the "on time" (for pixel refresh) now got stuck at 0
I've been running it all day and the counter is still at 0
the firmware on these monitors is very suspect
reason for why I am leaving the qdoled club for now, maybe I'm buying another model or buying a tv at this point
maybe I should have taken the c4 42" pill
my only complaint is literally firmware...
>Especially because 4K OLED has insane image quality (contrast, response time, color gamut, etc)
my qdoled monitor from yesterdays sleep to today when I started using the monitor again now the "on time" (for pixel refresh) now got stuck at 0
I've been running it all day and the counter is still at 0
the firmware on these monitors is very suspect
reason for why I am leaving the qdoled club for now, maybe I'm buying another model or buying a tv at this point
maybe I should have taken the c4 42" pill
my only complaint is literally firmware...
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:08:28 No.103957254
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:09:45 No.103957264
>>103957251
the best days of 4k LG were over the instant they removed OLED Motion Pro
the best days of 4k LG were over the instant they removed OLED Motion Pro
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:09:51 No.103957267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8piCZz0p-Y
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:10:08 No.103957273
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:10:12 No.103957275
Should I get a hard drive? Or just more SSDs?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:10:38 No.103957279
>>103957275
depends on the usecase
depends on the usecase
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:11:43 No.103957295
>>103957279
I like hoarding
I like hoarding
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:12:37 No.103957304
>>103957295
you should buy 3 hard drives that store the same file and can be used to cross reference for data integrity
you should buy 3 hard drives that store the same file and can be used to cross reference for data integrity
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:13:18 No.103957313
>>103957072
CUDA is literally the Cell of GPUs
Look up what made Cell so different from X86 and consider that back then GPGPUs did not exist at all.
CUDA is literally the Cell of GPUs
Look up what made Cell so different from X86 and consider that back then GPGPUs did not exist at all.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:13:24 No.103957316
>>103957184
The marginal difference in board power delivery costs incentivizes NVIDIA to sell $300 4060 instead of 4050 for a destitute like you.
The 4060 reference cards already have only 4 power phases, they probably don't want to reduce that count for safety/reliability even for a hypothetical 4050.
This isn't some made-up bullshit you animal. Act like a human and understand this topic.
If a 4060 PCB costs $80 it makes more sense to mass-produce 4060 video cards over a 4050 discrete card.
The only real difference between these boards would be the 4050 having one fewer 16Gb GDDR6 memory chip, which costs less than $5 in bulk.
The cost to manufacture a 4060 and 4050 GPU die costs exactly the same, because they're sourced from the same AD107 production wafers.
This chip is so small (159 mm2) that TSMC probably has to deliberately disable core to sell the laptop 4050s.
The marginal difference in board power delivery costs incentivizes NVIDIA to sell $300 4060 instead of 4050 for a destitute like you.
The 4060 reference cards already have only 4 power phases, they probably don't want to reduce that count for safety/reliability even for a hypothetical 4050.
This isn't some made-up bullshit you animal. Act like a human and understand this topic.
If a 4060 PCB costs $80 it makes more sense to mass-produce 4060 video cards over a 4050 discrete card.
The only real difference between these boards would be the 4050 having one fewer 16Gb GDDR6 memory chip, which costs less than $5 in bulk.
The cost to manufacture a 4060 and 4050 GPU die costs exactly the same, because they're sourced from the same AD107 production wafers.
This chip is so small (159 mm2) that TSMC probably has to deliberately disable core to sell the laptop 4050s.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:13:29 No.103957319
>>103956878
How is /r/amd coping with this new information?
How is /r/amd coping with this new information?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:13:49 No.103957324
What is the AMD 9070 Presentation even going to say when we already know everything from leaks and their weirdo updates
Just announce the price and date no more than a sentence is needed
Just announce the price and date no more than a sentence is needed
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:14:17 No.103957331
>>103956878
Pricing from AMD should be pressuring NVIDIA to lower prices, not the other way around...
Pricing from AMD should be pressuring NVIDIA to lower prices, not the other way around...
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:14:18 No.103957332
waithomos (aka poorfags) need to keep waiting as rtx 5000 series is DOA
rtx 6000 will be better
rtx 6000 will be better
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:14:19 No.103957333
>>103957267
that time warp demo is actually insane
i wish i was smart enough to do shit like this damn
that time warp demo is actually insane
i wish i was smart enough to do shit like this damn
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:14:22 No.103957334
Does any AMD card have ray tracing capabilities whatsoever? my 6600xt is getting 20fps in raytraced minecraft
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:14:51 No.103957341
>>103957319
amd is gonna keep the strat of slightly undercutting nvidias offering, except this time they have less shit rt and upscaling so they might even gain marketshare
amd is gonna keep the strat of slightly undercutting nvidias offering, except this time they have less shit rt and upscaling so they might even gain marketshare
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:15:41 No.103957352
>>103957295
HDD for long-term archival storage (media, game mods, anything else downloaded from the net) Keep backups on an external.
good SSDs for things you actively use daily (installed games, deployed game mods, applications you use frequently)
Reminds me I have a WD HDD that's close to 20 years old now from 2008, still kicking that I still have a ton of shit on, I should probably dump that stuff in one of my other drives someday
HDD for long-term archival storage (media, game mods, anything else downloaded from the net) Keep backups on an external.
good SSDs for things you actively use daily (installed games, deployed game mods, applications you use frequently)
Reminds me I have a WD HDD that's close to 20 years old now from 2008, still kicking that I still have a ton of shit on, I should probably dump that stuff in one of my other drives someday
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:16:17 No.103957361
>>103957331
Amd overplayed their hand and bet everything on nvidia raising their price.
Amd overplayed their hand and bet everything on nvidia raising their price.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:17:04 No.103957367
Totally insane that a week before launch the retailers don't even know the prices. I guess this is why my electronics store switched to digital price tags on goods over paper ones.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:19:13 No.103957393
>>103957367
the price now wont matter. Monday or Tuesday trump will hike up the price 25% because of tariffs
the price now wont matter. Monday or Tuesday trump will hike up the price 25% because of tariffs
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:19:48 No.103957400
>>103957393
Does it affect Taiwan imports?
Does it affect Taiwan imports?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:19:59 No.103957402
>>103957264
ok I will buy a S90D 65" and use it as a monitor
ok I will buy a S90D 65" and use it as a monitor
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:20:23 No.103957409
>>103957367
if amd did that their fans is going to commit suicide. amd is still making 7900xt and haven't even discount it, once you realize that and the fact amd is hiding the price as long as possible shows that its going to be $750+
if amd did that their fans is going to commit suicide. amd is still making 7900xt and haven't even discount it, once you realize that and the fact amd is hiding the price as long as possible shows that its going to be $750+
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:20:27 No.103957410
>>103957334
Depends on what you consider 'capable'
It's getting better, but Nvidia is still superior...
Depends on what you consider 'capable'
It's getting better, but Nvidia is still superior...
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:21:40 No.103957427
>>103957400
just stuff from taiwan will have a 10% tariff
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-expects-small-impact-trump-tariffs-chip-exports-2025-01-10/
Stuff shipped from china will have a 60% tariff
just stuff from taiwan will have a 10% tariff
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-
Stuff shipped from china will have a 60% tariff
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:21:45 No.103957428
>>103957393
You think they haven't been stockpiling them?
You think they haven't been stockpiling them?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:21:59 No.103957433
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:22:06 No.103957434
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:23:26 No.103957447
>>103957434
there wont be an unaffected country. Anything shipped into the USA will have a 10% and some countries like China, Canada Mexico will have higher tarrifs
there wont be an unaffected country. Anything shipped into the USA will have a 10% and some countries like China, Canada Mexico will have higher tarrifs
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:24:53 No.103957463
Yup, looks i'm staying an ArcGOD forever.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:25:11 No.103957470
>>103957324
if you have been paying attention to the leaks, the driver software is getting a overhaul.
if you have been paying attention to the leaks, the driver software is getting a overhaul.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:25:15 No.103957475
ok im feeling bit more pessimistic about 9070xt
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:26:01 No.103957486
>>103957447
Cool
Trump giving a giant middle finger to our closest trade partners and the American population
>And then blame it on the Dems
Cool
Trump giving a giant middle finger to our closest trade partners and the American population
>And then blame it on the Dems
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:26:24 No.103957489
>>103957470
So what? Announce the damn price.
So what? Announce the damn price.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:26:45 No.103957494
>>103957316
So to try to make your point your assuming two things
>theoretical 4050 must come from a cut down AD107
>die is too small for TSMC to handle so Nvidia must specify cut down dies to make a 4050 laptop
State your rational for those assumptions
So to try to make your point your assuming two things
>theoretical 4050 must come from a cut down AD107
>die is too small for TSMC to handle so Nvidia must specify cut down dies to make a 4050 laptop
State your rational for those assumptions
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:26:48 No.103957496
>>103957486
tariff wont matter once canada is annexed
tariff wont matter once canada is annexed
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:26:49 No.103957497
>>103957489
it needs its own event to discuss the entire driver changelog
it needs its own event to discuss the entire driver changelog
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:27:01 No.103957502
>>103957367
this is absolutely a fun year to upgrade your pc
this is absolutely a fun year to upgrade your pc
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:27:32 No.103957505
>>103957502
It's going to be like Covid all over again.
It's going to be like Covid all over again.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:27:46 No.103957507
>>103957496
canada doesnt make computer parts
canada doesnt make computer parts
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:27:50 No.103957509
>>103957489
Drivers affect the entire RDNA 1-4 stack.
Drivers affect the entire RDNA 1-4 stack.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:28:25 No.103957520
>>103957496
And he's going to use what money?
And he's going to use what money?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:28:33 No.103957522
would dual samsung odyssey g8s be good for workstation (programming)? also how shit is playing 1080p games on a 4k monitor? is it worth getting a 1080p monitor just for gaming so i dont have to upscale? i dont want to upgrade from the 4070
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:30:01 No.103957535
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:30:04 No.103957536
>montech adding leather to cases
they've clearly been selling a lot of cases to enter their meme era already lol
they've clearly been selling a lot of cases to enter their meme era already lol
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:30:06 No.103957538
i just bought it
i will be conducting my own tests from now on
i will be conducting my own tests from now on
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:31:04 No.103957547
>>103957522
you can just get 1x 4k with lcd so it wont burn in for work and another 1440p oled for gaming
you can just get 1x 4k with lcd so it wont burn in for work and another 1440p oled for gaming
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:32:20 No.103957561
>>103957502
I'm returning my 4k240 oled and going back to my laptop for the next 2 years while I go full sigma monk mode and going into wagie grind set mode
see you on the other side boyo
I'm returning my 4k240 oled and going back to my laptop for the next 2 years while I go full sigma monk mode and going into wagie grind set mode
see you on the other side boyo
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:34:03 No.103957580
>>103957535
thats entirely unrelated to my post
1) im not talking about dlaa im talking about native
2) im talking about comparing 1080p on a 4k monitor vs 1080p on a 1080p monitor
>>103957547
i use dual monitors for working so id prefer both to be 4k and id like the oled mostly for multimedia shit
just want to know if i have to shell out more money for a third 1080p monitor or if its fine to run 1080p on 4k without it looking like shit
thats entirely unrelated to my post
1) im not talking about dlaa im talking about native
2) im talking about comparing 1080p on a 4k monitor vs 1080p on a 1080p monitor
>>103957547
i use dual monitors for working so id prefer both to be 4k and id like the oled mostly for multimedia shit
just want to know if i have to shell out more money for a third 1080p monitor or if its fine to run 1080p on 4k without it looking like shit
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:36:13 No.103957607
>>103957580
>just so i don't have to upscale
It was entirely related to your post and and no you're not smarter than a 5th grader
>just so i don't have to upscale
It was entirely related to your post and and no you're not smarter than a 5th grader
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:37:34 No.103957629
>upgrading your GPU to play games made by people like this
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:37:59 No.103957635
>>103957494
You have terrible reading comprehension and a lack of awareness of the industry.
>theoretical 4050 must come from a cut down AD107
Not theory, that's the reality.
The 4050 laptop chip, which is real, uses the AD107 chip with disabled cores to meet the spec.
Designing a separate, smaller, AD108 chip just to sell GPUs for poorfags makes no sense because that costs validation, prototyping, verification, etc.
>die is too small for TSMC to handle so Nvidia must specify cut down dies to make a 4050 laptop
I never said that you retard, you don't understand how this business works.
The 4060 desktop chip uses the fully-enabled (best) AD107 chip (24 SM) which has a die area of only 159 mm2.
This chip is so small, there are going to be very good yields with plenty of fully-enabled AD107s being pumped out in TSMC's 5nm fab.
That means TSMC needs to disable some of those working cores to manufacture 4050 laptop chips with 20SM.
My point of all this is the 4050 GPU isn't cheaper to produce compared to making a 4060.
You can't even think of the other opportunity costs.
>surely a tiny die in line with something like the gt1030 wouldn’t need much at all going on with the pcb, slot power, maybe 1 or 2 memory modules, no other I/o beyond an hdmi and a displayport, if the GT 1010 can exist then so can an RTX 5050
I already covered the memory chip cost, HDMI and DisplayPort interfaces are even cheaper, it's not worth convincing manufacturers to retool their fucking 4060 assembly lines to make a $150 MSRP 4050 with fewer DisplayPorts and one fewer memory GDDR6 chip.
My rationale for not having a 4050 was correct from the beginning.
You have terrible reading comprehension and a lack of awareness of the industry.
>theoretical 4050 must come from a cut down AD107
Not theory, that's the reality.
The 4050 laptop chip, which is real, uses the AD107 chip with disabled cores to meet the spec.
Designing a separate, smaller, AD108 chip just to sell GPUs for poorfags makes no sense because that costs validation, prototyping, verification, etc.
>die is too small for TSMC to handle so Nvidia must specify cut down dies to make a 4050 laptop
I never said that you retard, you don't understand how this business works.
The 4060 desktop chip uses the fully-enabled (best) AD107 chip (24 SM) which has a die area of only 159 mm2.
This chip is so small, there are going to be very good yields with plenty of fully-enabled AD107s being pumped out in TSMC's 5nm fab.
That means TSMC needs to disable some of those working cores to manufacture 4050 laptop chips with 20SM.
My point of all this is the 4050 GPU isn't cheaper to produce compared to making a 4060.
You can't even think of the other opportunity costs.
>surely a tiny die in line with something like the gt1030 wouldn’t need much at all going on with the pcb, slot power, maybe 1 or 2 memory modules, no other I/o beyond an hdmi and a displayport, if the GT 1010 can exist then so can an RTX 5050
I already covered the memory chip cost, HDMI and DisplayPort interfaces are even cheaper, it's not worth convincing manufacturers to retool their fucking 4060 assembly lines to make a $150 MSRP 4050 with fewer DisplayPorts and one fewer memory GDDR6 chip.
My rationale for not having a 4050 was correct from the beginning.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:41:03 No.103957685
>>103957561
donut lose hope my friend. we will all make it
donut lose hope my friend. we will all make it
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:41:13 No.103957691
There's no fucking way AMD thought that $700 is a reasonable price for a 70 class card right? Not even Nvidia is that stupid. Granted nvidia cut down the 70 die like crazy but still people would rather pay less and get a cut down die than pay more and get more performance
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:42:12 No.103957699
There was always going to be a rugpull. The performance leaks were too good and too consistent for it to be that. The rugpull was always going to be price.
At least they've finally learned their lesson and are doing the mandatory Radeon price drop before reviews instead of immediately after.
At least they've finally learned their lesson and are doing the mandatory Radeon price drop before reviews instead of immediately after.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:43:48 No.103957726
>>103957522
the fact that 1080p looks bad on a 4k monitor is not the fact that 1080p looks bad on 4k but the fact that 1080p is low res
a 4k panel should be superior in ways than a 1080p, other than maybe refresh rate if that would be the case
native res is a dead meme
samsung has many "g8s"
if you can afford dual 4k240hz oleds buy them lol, hopefully the firmware is not shit
the 4k240 g8 also has blackout reports was it on dp or hdmi? i forget
>>103957685
I won't make it until I have 3M
current net worth (after debt) +/- 0.00$
if only you knew how bad things really are
the fact that 1080p looks bad on a 4k monitor is not the fact that 1080p looks bad on 4k but the fact that 1080p is low res
a 4k panel should be superior in ways than a 1080p, other than maybe refresh rate if that would be the case
native res is a dead meme
samsung has many "g8s"
if you can afford dual 4k240hz oleds buy them lol, hopefully the firmware is not shit
the 4k240 g8 also has blackout reports was it on dp or hdmi? i forget
>>103957685
I won't make it until I have 3M
current net worth (after debt) +/- 0.00$
if only you knew how bad things really are
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:44:36 No.103957738
>>103957691
I'm pretty sure they felt $599 for the 9070XT was a reasonable price. I mean have you seen the cards?
https://www.powercolor.com/product-detail220.htm
They look great, they don't look like $500 or lower cards.
I'm pretty sure they felt $599 for the 9070XT was a reasonable price. I mean have you seen the cards?
https://www.powercolor.com/product-
They look great, they don't look like $500 or lower cards.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:45:02 No.103957742
>>103956975
it all depends on the game
it all depends on the game
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:46:04 No.103957761
I'm gonna go get some pizza
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:46:09 No.103957762
>>103957635
>Designing a separate, smaller, AD108 chip just to sell GPUs for poorfags makes no sense
They did it in 2011
It's easier to say they just have no will.
IDK why you must feel you must rationalize it based on any theoretical technical roadblocks, unless for some reason it's to paint a picture of Nvidia doing what makes sense rather than NV just ignoring a section of the market because it doesn't make them cash in the very instant.
>Designing a separate, smaller, AD108 chip just to sell GPUs for poorfags makes no sense
They did it in 2011
It's easier to say they just have no will.
IDK why you must feel you must rationalize it based on any theoretical technical roadblocks, unless for some reason it's to paint a picture of Nvidia doing what makes sense rather than NV just ignoring a section of the market because it doesn't make them cash in the very instant.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:47:21 No.103957783
>>103957085
>>103957139
Like >>103957254 said, it's never coming back. Newegg straight up erased all traces of it on their website. If they bring it back, it will either be worse in someway, or cost a lot more than the original $350 MSRP or whatever it was priced at. Either way, I doubt either of you NEED the Nova. The only thing it has going for it is no PCIE lane sharing between the M2 / GPU slots. Are you really going to be using 4-5 M2s? Outside of that, Gigabyte / MSI models in the $280-320 price range have the exact same QoL features, overkill VRMs and 8 layer PCB. Or just get an X870 Steel Legend if you want 3 SSDs and don't care about shit like digital post code display and easy release buttons.
>>103957139
Like >>103957254 said, it's never coming back. Newegg straight up erased all traces of it on their website. If they bring it back, it will either be worse in someway, or cost a lot more than the original $350 MSRP or whatever it was priced at. Either way, I doubt either of you NEED the Nova. The only thing it has going for it is no PCIE lane sharing between the M2 / GPU slots. Are you really going to be using 4-5 M2s? Outside of that, Gigabyte / MSI models in the $280-320 price range have the exact same QoL features, overkill VRMs and 8 layer PCB. Or just get an X870 Steel Legend if you want 3 SSDs and don't care about shit like digital post code display and easy release buttons.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:47:23 No.103957784
>>103957502
Read the actual article.
The RTX 50 order quantities are limited quantities for B2B dealers and wholesalers, aka companies that sell to businesses not GAYMERS.
NVIDIA wants businesses to buy more expensive Quadro (RTX 7000) and Tesla (LS) tier cards.
Read the actual article.
The RTX 50 order quantities are limited quantities for B2B dealers and wholesalers, aka companies that sell to businesses not GAYMERS.
NVIDIA wants businesses to buy more expensive Quadro (RTX 7000) and Tesla (LS) tier cards.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:48:19 No.103957795
>>103957761
Mass replier here, god damn you convinced me. Say no more
Mass replier here, god damn you convinced me. Say no more
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:49:55 No.103957812
i'm going to do it, i'm buying the 5090
fuck amd and their jewish tactics, and fuck them for limiting their new cards to 16gb vram, hope it's doa
fuck amd and their jewish tactics, and fuck them for limiting their new cards to 16gb vram, hope it's doa
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:50:15 No.103957820
>>103957762
>They did it in 2011
>40nm chip, dirt fucking cheap to design
The better question to ask is what have you been doing since 2011 to mald over not having a $150 card option in 2025?
>They did it in 2011
>40nm chip, dirt fucking cheap to design
The better question to ask is what have you been doing since 2011 to mald over not having a $150 card option in 2025?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:51:08 No.103957828
>>103957795
>AI AI AI NEURAL RENDARD GRAPHICS AI AI AI DLSS UPSCALING 4K FRAME GEN 500 FPS
nobody cares, just make ONE (1) singular good game
simple as
graphicsfags are not game enjoyers
gameplay does not need graphics
gameplay does not need 5k gpus
gameplay does not need 5 billion dollar lootbox revenues
graphics is the psyop that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth
that games are slop
>AI AI AI NEURAL RENDARD GRAPHICS AI AI AI DLSS UPSCALING 4K FRAME GEN 500 FPS
nobody cares, just make ONE (1) singular good game
simple as
graphicsfags are not game enjoyers
gameplay does not need graphics
gameplay does not need 5k gpus
gameplay does not need 5 billion dollar lootbox revenues
graphics is the psyop that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth
that games are slop
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:52:37 No.103957852
>>103957784
>>The RTX 50 order quantities are limited quantities for B2B dealers and wholesalers, aka companies that sell to businesses not GAYMERS.
GOOD but I don't believe them
>>The RTX 50 order quantities are limited quantities for B2B dealers and wholesalers, aka companies that sell to businesses not GAYMERS.
GOOD but I don't believe them
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:52:48 No.103957855
>>103957762
>Why doesn't NVIDIA cater to people who own sub-$200 video cards for a very long time?
I don't know, probably because NVIDIA's lucky to get more than $5 in annualized profit from people like you?
>Why doesn't NVIDIA cater to people who own sub-$200 video cards for a very long time?
I don't know, probably because NVIDIA's lucky to get more than $5 in annualized profit from people like you?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:53:24 No.103957862
>>103956823
Is the 7900XTX Phantom Gaming a good card for a deshroud? My plan was it to slap 2 140mm with 120mm holes on it. pic related
Is the 7900XTX Phantom Gaming a good card for a deshroud? My plan was it to slap 2 140mm with 120mm holes on it. pic related
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:53:32 No.103957864
Do I enable V-sync with VRR on? The internet is retarded on the subject.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:53:38 No.103957866
>>103957828
meh we heard the same crying when mesh shaders launched now they cry they aren't being given even more
meh we heard the same crying when mesh shaders launched now they cry they aren't being given even more
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:53:45 No.103957867
>>103957783
>Outside of that, Gigabyte / MSI models in the $280-320 price range have the exact same QoL features, overkill VRMs and 8 layer PCB.
The MSI X870 Tomahawk can run four x4 M.2 SSDs just fine if you use a M.2 to PCIe adapter (10€). I honestly don't see the point getting the Nova in my country where they are in stock but 450€ vs 350€ of the Tomahawk.
>Outside of that, Gigabyte / MSI models in the $280-320 price range have the exact same QoL features, overkill VRMs and 8 layer PCB.
The MSI X870 Tomahawk can run four x4 M.2 SSDs just fine if you use a M.2 to PCIe adapter (10€). I honestly don't see the point getting the Nova in my country where they are in stock but 450€ vs 350€ of the Tomahawk.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:55:03 No.103957886
>>103957538
first game i tried was cyberpunk 2077
the latency is actually horrible
the edges of the screen are artifacting like crazy
comparing this to nvidia's frame gen is actually comical
i will be requesting a refund
first game i tried was cyberpunk 2077
the latency is actually horrible
the edges of the screen are artifacting like crazy
comparing this to nvidia's frame gen is actually comical
i will be requesting a refund
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:55:51 No.103957895
>>103957866
20 year old sprite based games are better than nu-games
we peaked
this is the decline
>>103957864
I heard vsync should be on in driver and gsync on
in game settings doesnt matter if its off (probably off)
guess thats it
also depends on how you cap the fps
idk I have not understood it fully either
20 year old sprite based games are better than nu-games
we peaked
this is the decline
>>103957864
I heard vsync should be on in driver and gsync on
in game settings doesnt matter if its off (probably off)
guess thats it
also depends on how you cap the fps
idk I have not understood it fully either
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:56:04 No.103957901
>>103957886
there's actually like a 2 full frames of input delay LOL what the fuck is this shit
there's actually like a 2 full frames of input delay LOL what the fuck is this shit
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:56:04 No.103957902
>>103957812
You do realize you can buy a 7900 XTX or 4090 right? You don't need a current gen card if the old ones perform better.
You do realize you can buy a 7900 XTX or 4090 right? You don't need a current gen card if the old ones perform better.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:56:37 No.103957910
>>103957536
God that looks so fucking ugly
God that looks so fucking ugly
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:56:51 No.103957914
>>103957886
You are clearly not the level of poorfag that would even consider this a viable option
You should see their videos of disappearing heads and blocky BS with the commenters calling it good and perfectly playable on their 1070s
You are clearly not the level of poorfag that would even consider this a viable option
You should see their videos of disappearing heads and blocky BS with the commenters calling it good and perfectly playable on their 1070s
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:57:26 No.103957922
>>103957902
Good luck, both Nvidia and AMD stopped production of those cards months ago to avoid another 30 series situation where there was over supply of the the previous generation
Good luck, both Nvidia and AMD stopped production of those cards months ago to avoid another 30 series situation where there was over supply of the the previous generation
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:58:02 No.103957929
>>103957902
no, i'm specifically going out of my way to buy it and spite amd and their fanboys
fuck the company for being a bunch of greedy kikes and fuck their fanboys for constantly defending these kike-like tactics
no, i'm specifically going out of my way to buy it and spite amd and their fanboys
fuck the company for being a bunch of greedy kikes and fuck their fanboys for constantly defending these kike-like tactics
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:59:20 No.103957946
>>103957922
4090 owners are full in on Project Fear from the "faster than 4090" marketing for the 5070 by jewidia. If you ever wanted one, now is the time.
>>103957929
>buying anything to spite hypothetical people on the internet
double digit IQ?
4090 owners are full in on Project Fear from the "faster than 4090" marketing for the 5070 by jewidia. If you ever wanted one, now is the time.
>>103957929
>buying anything to spite hypothetical people on the internet
double digit IQ?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:00:16 No.103957955
>>103957867
Yea exactly, I was just talking straight out of the box. Although the Tomahawk is smart in that it disables the USB4 slots instead of downgrading the GPU PCIE slot. I would have gotten the Tomahawk over my Gigabyte Aorus X870E Elite, but I read wayyyyy too many stories of people having nightmares getting it to work with their Corsair RAM, and I had already purchased a 64GB dominator kit. Plus the Tomahawk does look like shit with muh military grade gamer aesthetic. Aorus is a lot more sexo in my opinion.
Yea exactly, I was just talking straight out of the box. Although the Tomahawk is smart in that it disables the USB4 slots instead of downgrading the GPU PCIE slot. I would have gotten the Tomahawk over my Gigabyte Aorus X870E Elite, but I read wayyyyy too many stories of people having nightmares getting it to work with their Corsair RAM, and I had already purchased a 64GB dominator kit. Plus the Tomahawk does look like shit with muh military grade gamer aesthetic. Aorus is a lot more sexo in my opinion.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:02:39 No.103957976
what is point of artificial scarcity?
don't they make more money by selling more instead of less?
don't they make more money by selling more instead of less?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:02:45 No.103957980
>>103957946
>>buying anything to spite hypothetical people on the internet
yes it applies to you
fuck amd and fuck you
and fuck the fucking hypocrisy of you faggots, you all lambasted nvidia for having 12-14gb cards and this gen you see amd actually going fron 24bg to 16, fuck that
>>buying anything to spite hypothetical people on the internet
yes it applies to you
fuck amd and fuck you
and fuck the fucking hypocrisy of you faggots, you all lambasted nvidia for having 12-14gb cards and this gen you see amd actually going fron 24bg to 16, fuck that
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:02:47 No.103957982
>>103957955
>Plus the Tomahawk does look like shit with muh military grade gamer aesthetic
That would be an issue if my PC would have any faggot lights in it, thankfully the Tomahawk doesn't come with any, nor do any of my other PC parts. If I can't see it, it might as well not exist.
>Plus the Tomahawk does look like shit with muh military grade gamer aesthetic
That would be an issue if my PC would have any faggot lights in it, thankfully the Tomahawk doesn't come with any, nor do any of my other PC parts. If I can't see it, it might as well not exist.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:04:32 No.103958003
>>103957976
Nope, it's a well worn strategy to keep sales high. Works for diamonds.
Nope, it's a well worn strategy to keep sales high. Works for diamonds.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:05:52 No.103958021
>>103957980
I'm on Nvidia. Going from 24 GB to 16 GB is perfectly fine because the 7900 XTX and 9070 aren't even remotely in the same price range. $500 cards can have 16 GB. $1000 cards shouldn't have 16 GB. If you think there is some hypocrisy at play in this logic then you admit to my initial question.
I'm on Nvidia. Going from 24 GB to 16 GB is perfectly fine because the 7900 XTX and 9070 aren't even remotely in the same price range. $500 cards can have 16 GB. $1000 cards shouldn't have 16 GB. If you think there is some hypocrisy at play in this logic then you admit to my initial question.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:06:12 No.103958030
>>103958003
well not total sales, but prices for that particular item
well not total sales, but prices for that particular item
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:06:46 No.103958039
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:08:04 No.103958057
>>103957955
It's crazy that the gigabyte board costs 70$ more than the tomahawk here.
It's crazy that the gigabyte board costs 70$ more than the tomahawk here.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:08:36 No.103958068
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:08:40 No.103958069
is 300$~ for 12gb->16gb really worth it? i do alot of productivity+gaming thinking if i should just get a 5070 and get something nicer in the future, or should i really get a 5070 ti?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:10:13 No.103958089
>>103957738
That's not a $500 card, and that Red Devil looks fantastic.
Wouldn't be surprised if this 9070XT Red Devil was supposed to be a $680ish card.
That's not a $500 card, and that Red Devil looks fantastic.
Wouldn't be surprised if this 9070XT Red Devil was supposed to be a $680ish card.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:11:24 No.103958099
>>103958069
might as well buy a 5090 and say its a productivity tool
might as well buy a 5090 and say its a productivity tool
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:13:02 No.103958115
>>103957886
This should have been obviously to anyone that wasn't high on copium thinking spending 5 dollaridoos (or whatever it costs) could match Nvidia's tech advantage
All the discourse around Lossless Scaling seemed to never mention input latency or the quality of the output images and yet for Nvidia, it's the complete opposite where even when they have the least problems, it's not good enough.
This should have been obviously to anyone that wasn't high on copium thinking spending 5 dollaridoos (or whatever it costs) could match Nvidia's tech advantage
All the discourse around Lossless Scaling seemed to never mention input latency or the quality of the output images and yet for Nvidia, it's the complete opposite where even when they have the least problems, it's not good enough.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:13:59 No.103958124
>>103957820
It's called getting people in.
I know it's something you're types hate nowadays because you assume everybody is in.
It's called getting people in.
I know it's something you're types hate nowadays because you assume everybody is in.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:15:00 No.103958134
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:15:08 No.103958138
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:16:16 No.103958149
>>103956878
> I think it will be $750
They won't sell it to me then. And to hardly anybody else. 600, rather 550, is already more than enough for a card that lacks features of an RTX and is clearly weaker in RT. The ONLY reason to buy a Radeon would be a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price. The 5070Ti is $750 so the 9070 XT has to be a LOT less or it will collect dust on the shelves.
> I think it will be $750
They won't sell it to me then. And to hardly anybody else. 600, rather 550, is already more than enough for a card that lacks features of an RTX and is clearly weaker in RT. The ONLY reason to buy a Radeon would be a SIGNIFICANTLY lower price. The 5070Ti is $750 so the 9070 XT has to be a LOT less or it will collect dust on the shelves.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:18:56 No.103958162
>>103958149
>The 5070Ti is $750 so the 9070 XT has to be a LOT less or it will collect dust on the shelves.
$499 to be exact, assuming it beats the 5070 Ti in raster but loses in RT. The 4080 vs 7900 XTX already proved that undercutting by $200 or 20% isn't enough even if you crush the competition in raster and VRAM.
>The 5070Ti is $750 so the 9070 XT has to be a LOT less or it will collect dust on the shelves.
$499 to be exact, assuming it beats the 5070 Ti in raster but loses in RT. The 4080 vs 7900 XTX already proved that undercutting by $200 or 20% isn't enough even if you crush the competition in raster and VRAM.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:19:27 No.103958171
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:20:11 No.103958186
>>103958089
I really wish powercolor made Nvidia red devils. The design is top notch
I want a 5070ti but based on all the 4070tis I've seen they all look gay, except the ROG one that is way overpriced and still not as cool looking
I really wish powercolor made Nvidia red devils. The design is top notch
I want a 5070ti but based on all the 4070tis I've seen they all look gay, except the ROG one that is way overpriced and still not as cool looking
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:20:17 No.103958188
>>103957982
Good for you, my Lian Li 207 has a glass side panel and I wasn't going to pay more for a case with worse thermals just to get a mesh / solid panel. I already said I would have bought the Tomahawk anyways, if it wasn't fucked with Corsair ram.
Good for you, my Lian Li 207 has a glass side panel and I wasn't going to pay more for a case with worse thermals just to get a mesh / solid panel. I already said I would have bought the Tomahawk anyways, if it wasn't fucked with Corsair ram.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:21:38 No.103958205
>>103958188
I have a Fractal North XL with a glass side panel but the only PC part I see inside my case is the GIGABYTE light on my GPU.
I have a Fractal North XL with a glass side panel but the only PC part I see inside my case is the GIGABYTE light on my GPU.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:23:33 No.103958223
>>103958171
You're talking about getting people in
This is exactly what low end gaming laptops are for
Those people don't care about any kind of gating because those laptops can hit the price points they're able to afford which isn't the case for low end gaming desktops
You're talking about getting people in
This is exactly what low end gaming laptops are for
Those people don't care about any kind of gating because those laptops can hit the price points they're able to afford which isn't the case for low end gaming desktops
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:24:00 No.103958226
>>103956878
It was 100% going to be 599/699 and now they're fucked beyond all recovery lmao
Rest in piss Radeon
It was 100% going to be 599/699 and now they're fucked beyond all recovery lmao
Rest in piss Radeon
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:24:00 No.103958227
>64 GB RAM 6000 mt/s
>9800X3D
>Responsiveness of scrolling in Firefox still significantly reduced when I'm running a game like Civilization 6
I'm pretty disappointed honestly, I thought going this overkill on RAM and CPU would mean I could alt tab and use my desktop like if it was at idle.
>9800X3D
>Responsiveness of scrolling in Firefox still significantly reduced when I'm running a game like Civilization 6
I'm pretty disappointed honestly, I thought going this overkill on RAM and CPU would mean I could alt tab and use my desktop like if it was at idle.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:24:00 No.103958228
>>103958124
Everybody's in
Everybody's in
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:24:52 No.103958236
>>103958138
>It's called getting people in.
Literally none of the gaming GPU designers care about getting people like you in.
It's not like these GPU designers are getting a cut for every PC game or MTX sold.
Also, $150 in 2011 is about $200 in today's money, quit whining, buy a RX 6600, and move on with your life.
>But I'm entitled to a new GeForce card that costs $150 in 2025.
You're not.
>>103958171
Except you're the one gatekeeping this little hobby.
None of the GPU manufacturers must sell you $150 entry-level video cards.
>It's called getting people in.
Literally none of the gaming GPU designers care about getting people like you in.
It's not like these GPU designers are getting a cut for every PC game or MTX sold.
Also, $150 in 2011 is about $200 in today's money, quit whining, buy a RX 6600, and move on with your life.
>But I'm entitled to a new GeForce card that costs $150 in 2025.
You're not.
>>103958171
Except you're the one gatekeeping this little hobby.
None of the GPU manufacturers must sell you $150 entry-level video cards.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:27:09 No.103958256
>>103958226
>Intel Arc cutting off Radeons legs
>Nvidia cutting off the head
All that leaves is the torso, and depending on how Nvidia prices their 5060 skus that might be gone too.
>Intel Arc cutting off Radeons legs
>Nvidia cutting off the head
All that leaves is the torso, and depending on how Nvidia prices their 5060 skus that might be gone too.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:27:42 No.103958262
This chart is all sorts of fucked up. Aorus Elite supports 8200mhz RAM OCs and Tomahawk supports 8400mhz. Fan headers are correct, but both boards have 3 PCIE slots and the Aorus Elite is better in that PCIE2 & 3 are Gen 4x4 and Gen3x4 respectively, whereas Tomahawk PCIE 2 & 3 are Gen 3x1 and Gen 4x4 respectively. In the US the tomahawk is only $20 cheaper at $300 vs 320. I also really only paid like $250 for my Aorus because it came with a ram kit I resold for $75.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:28:54 No.103958273
>>103958226
AMD's mistake was believing all the (((((leakers))))) screaming at the top of their lungs that 5080 would be $1300, 5070Ti $1000, and 5070 $800
AMD's mistake was believing all the (((((leakers))))) screaming at the top of their lungs that 5080 would be $1300, 5070Ti $1000, and 5070 $800
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:29:44 No.103958281
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:30:45 No.103958291
>>103958227
>I thought going this overkill on RAM
>64 GB RAM 6000 mt/s
>6000 mt/s (probably not manually tuned)
>overkill on RAM
>I thought going this overkill on RAM
>64 GB RAM 6000 mt/s
>6000 mt/s (probably not manually tuned)
>overkill on RAM
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:31:55 No.103958305
>>103957016
I'm not even a fan of AMD, I currently own a 4090 and I havent' bought a Radeon since the 90's. This is AMD's rare chance to win me over, to make be purchase an RX instead of an RTX for my secondary PC. If it's only little less than the 5070Ti then I and many others have no reason to buy it. No reason, simple as. AMD makes a shit ton of money with Ryzen, they should aim for market share and customer confidence with their gfx cards in the midrange segment.
I'm not even a fan of AMD, I currently own a 4090 and I havent' bought a Radeon since the 90's. This is AMD's rare chance to win me over, to make be purchase an RX instead of an RTX for my secondary PC. If it's only little less than the 5070Ti then I and many others have no reason to buy it. No reason, simple as. AMD makes a shit ton of money with Ryzen, they should aim for market share and customer confidence with their gfx cards in the midrange segment.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:32:01 No.103958306
>>103958227
>Civilization 6
There could be game engine bottlenecks btw, that's a pretty old game now (Oct. '16).
Civ 6 released before AMD launched Ryzen 1000 CPUs.
>Civilization 6
There could be game engine bottlenecks btw, that's a pretty old game now (Oct. '16).
Civ 6 released before AMD launched Ryzen 1000 CPUs.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:32:20 No.103958308
>>103958227
how did they fuck up ddr5 so badly? I don't get it.
I don't remember all these problemes people are having with ddr4.
how did they fuck up ddr5 so badly? I don't get it.
I don't remember all these problemes people are having with ddr4.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:33:09 No.103958317
>>103958305
If AMD's man customer base is convincing people looking for GPUs for their secondary PC it's never been more over
If AMD's man customer base is convincing people looking for GPUs for their secondary PC it's never been more over
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:34:22 No.103958333
>>103958308
DDR5 just sucks
DDR5 just sucks
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:34:57 No.103958338
>>103957955
yeah I kind of agree about Tomahawk's military theming being a bit overdone, but you really just gotta work around it. Since the x870 Tomahawk has a hint of green accenting I figure I'll do the lighting for the fans to complement it. One of my first custom PCs from 2004 had green LEDs (was a Xion case, pic related) so I have a soft spot for green LEDs
yeah I kind of agree about Tomahawk's military theming being a bit overdone, but you really just gotta work around it. Since the x870 Tomahawk has a hint of green accenting I figure I'll do the lighting for the fans to complement it. One of my first custom PCs from 2004 had green LEDs (was a Xion case, pic related) so I have a soft spot for green LEDs
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:36:26 No.103958352
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:37:00 No.103958360
>>103958149
>5070Ti is $750 so the 9070 XT has to be a LOT less or it will collect dust on the shelves.
I agree.
It's too bad, the 9070 XT is easily going to trade blows with the 5070ti in terms of performance but I do think it needs a price difference of at least $75 if not $100 cheaper than the 5070ti.
Even if it is, nvidia has the resources to undercut AMD regardless.
>5070Ti is $750 so the 9070 XT has to be a LOT less or it will collect dust on the shelves.
I agree.
It's too bad, the 9070 XT is easily going to trade blows with the 5070ti in terms of performance but I do think it needs a price difference of at least $75 if not $100 cheaper than the 5070ti.
Even if it is, nvidia has the resources to undercut AMD regardless.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:38:01 No.103958368
>>103958227
>Got jewed by the inferior context switching of Ayymd CPU
The AMDip strikes again
>>103958291
not overkill, perfectly aligned with modern gayming
>Got jewed by the inferior context switching of Ayymd CPU
The AMDip strikes again
>>103958291
not overkill, perfectly aligned with modern gayming
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:39:51 No.103958384
>>103958360
It needs to be a 100 difference minimum.
It needs to be a 100 difference minimum.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:41:18 No.103958394
>>103958291
That is objectively overkill on RAM retard. 32GB is the upper bound for anything outside of genuine professional career work cases
That is objectively overkill on RAM retard. 32GB is the upper bound for anything outside of genuine professional career work cases
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:41:55 No.103958401
>>103958394
I need to run 5 local instances of Llama 3
I need to run 5 local instances of Llama 3
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:42:16 No.103958406
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:43:20 No.103958421
>>103958360
$100 is not enough if you look at RX 7000 vs RTX 4000 and how AMD actually lost GPU marketshare
$100 is not enough if you look at RX 7000 vs RTX 4000 and how AMD actually lost GPU marketshare
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:43:23 No.103958423
What gaymen mouse do you guys recommend? I need one that can switch between at least 3 different DPI settings, my current logitech MX only supports 2.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:43:26 No.103958424
>>103958039
Thanks.
Thanks.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:43:28 No.103958425
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:44:35 No.103958441
>>103958227
Are Intel CPUs better because of this? I can alt tab and browser Chrome very fast on my Intel Core i5 4570.
Are Intel CPUs better because of this? I can alt tab and browser Chrome very fast on my Intel Core i5 4570.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:44:38 No.103958442
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:45:43 No.103958453
>>103958394
The memory speed and latency matters more for gaming past the required DRAM capacity, retard.
6000MT/s is basic bitch spec for DDR5 gaming.
The memory speed and latency matters more for gaming past the required DRAM capacity, retard.
6000MT/s is basic bitch spec for DDR5 gaming.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:45:46 No.103958456
>>103958425
amd cards can’t even maintain double digit framerates in path tracing so that’s pretty good
amd cards can’t even maintain double digit framerates in path tracing so that’s pretty good
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:46:15 No.103958464
>>103958134
>>103958115
>>103957914
>>103957886
>>103957538
some people are glazing it like crazy and some hate it
the garbling was noticable even on a potato screen but people using giant 4k oled tvs are glazing it hard
input lag seemed non existant last time I tried tf
but the garbling did not even seem that worth it 60 to 120
but maybe they updated it
all in all Im learning more and more that I literally dont care
60fps native is better than garbled things
idk
>>103958394
>saving 100 dollars to get better % lows on your 2k gpu and 6k build
pcbg retards ladies and gentlemen!
>>103958115
>>103957914
>>103957886
>>103957538
some people are glazing it like crazy and some hate it
the garbling was noticable even on a potato screen but people using giant 4k oled tvs are glazing it hard
input lag seemed non existant last time I tried tf
but the garbling did not even seem that worth it 60 to 120
but maybe they updated it
all in all Im learning more and more that I literally dont care
60fps native is better than garbled things
idk
>>103958394
>saving 100 dollars to get better % lows on your 2k gpu and 6k build
pcbg retards ladies and gentlemen!
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:47:37 No.103958474
>>103958352
Lucky, in NA it's pretty much impossible to find online. I just want a mobo that I can use at least 4 m.2 drives without needing to share channels.
Lucky, in NA it's pretty much impossible to find online. I just want a mobo that I can use at least 4 m.2 drives without needing to share channels.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:47:48 No.103958475
>>103958442
>Cyberpunk a game in which Nvidia put claws their into since Day 1 needs gimmicks to be playable
>Cyberpunk a game in which Nvidia put claws their into since Day 1 needs gimmicks to be playable
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:48:40 No.103958489
>>103958394
Excuse me poorfag, but poor people buy 32GB DDR5 RAM kits and that means that I need more.
Excuse me poorfag, but poor people buy 32GB DDR5 RAM kits and that means that I need more.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:48:44 No.103958491
>>103958456
Would you mind pointing to a price comparable AMD product?
Would you mind pointing to a price comparable AMD product?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:48:57 No.103958494
>>103958425
And the XTX can't maintain 30 with FSR
And the XTX can't maintain 30 with FSR
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:48:59 No.103958495
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:49:50 No.103958501
>>103958475
You don't need raytracing to make Cyberpunk or any game playable thankfully.
You don't need raytracing to make Cyberpunk or any game playable thankfully.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:50:06 No.103958504
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:50:21 No.103958508
Interesting how lossless scaling is getting hated on ONLY after Nvidia released their DLSS-MFG. Hmm...
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:50:37 No.103958511
>>103958504
boohoo nigga
boohoo nigga
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:51:55 No.103958528
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:53:44 No.103958544
>>103958508
It's the opposite
Lossless Scaling is getting glazed on ONLY after Nvidia released MFG
Prior, no one really gave a shit about it whether negative or positive opinion
It's the opposite
Lossless Scaling is getting glazed on ONLY after Nvidia released MFG
Prior, no one really gave a shit about it whether negative or positive opinion
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:54:22 No.103958547
>>103957828
Lord, if the games aren't good, at least let them be pretty
>>103957864
Only if the game is broken without V-sync. If G-sync is working properly, it'll cap your FPS below your monitor's refresh rate
>>103957902
Moron
>>103957976
Part of it is the drive to launch first. Can't launch first if you've been building up stock for two months
Lord, if the games aren't good, at least let them be pretty
>>103957864
Only if the game is broken without V-sync. If G-sync is working properly, it'll cap your FPS below your monitor's refresh rate
>>103957902
Moron
>>103957976
Part of it is the drive to launch first. Can't launch first if you've been building up stock for two months
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:54:57 No.103958554
>>103958511
cope Nvidia tourist
cope Nvidia tourist
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:55:11 No.103958557
>>103958489
True richfags buy dozens of the best factory binned 32Gb kit and keep the one that runs at least 8400MT/s CL32.
True richfags buy dozens of the best factory binned 32Gb kit and keep the one that runs at least 8400MT/s CL32.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:55:50 No.103958569
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:55:56 No.103958571
>>103958528
Nvidia literally called CDProject Red to make a pathtracing mode optimized for Nvidia cards so that they might shill DLSS3. So yes, obviously they shill the product they themselves commissioned and obviously Nvidia cards overperform in it.
Nvidia literally called CDProject Red to make a pathtracing mode optimized for Nvidia cards so that they might shill DLSS3. So yes, obviously they shill the product they themselves commissioned and obviously Nvidia cards overperform in it.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:56:58 No.103958584
>>103958394
> 32GB is the upper bound
You are not a poweruser. Play Cities Skylines with countless mods and you need 64GB. Be an AI hobbyist and you might need even more. Only casual users will get along with 32GB.
> 32GB is the upper bound
You are not a poweruser. Play Cities Skylines with countless mods and you need 64GB. Be an AI hobbyist and you might need even more. Only casual users will get along with 32GB.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:58:04 No.103958597
>>103957895
>>103958039
>>103958547
>>103957864
>Do I enable V-sync with VRR on? The internet is retarded on the subject.
See this is what I'm talking about. The steam article says to leave it on so I'm going with that for the moment.
>>103958039
>>103958547
>>103957864
>Do I enable V-sync with VRR on? The internet is retarded on the subject.
See this is what I'm talking about. The steam article says to leave it on so I'm going with that for the moment.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:58:11 No.103958599
>>103958584
NVIDIA has 80GB cards for purchase
NVIDIA has 80GB cards for purchase
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:58:49 No.103958605
>>103958544
Lossless scaling was talked about plenty, especially for games that didn't have a form of upscaling. And it was seen as a positive.
It's only now, with the LSFG3 release coinciding with DLSS-MFG, do I see people hating on it. It's not organic at all and you guys stick out like a sore thumb.
Lossless scaling was talked about plenty, especially for games that didn't have a form of upscaling. And it was seen as a positive.
It's only now, with the LSFG3 release coinciding with DLSS-MFG, do I see people hating on it. It's not organic at all and you guys stick out like a sore thumb.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:58:55 No.103958608
>>103958571
Maybe Nvidia should call their engineers instead and produce GPUs that work instead of pushing marketing gimmicks that appeal to shit eaters like you.
Maybe Nvidia should call their engineers instead and produce GPUs that work instead of pushing marketing gimmicks that appeal to shit eaters like you.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:00:30 No.103958631
>>103958608
>maybe Nvidia should stop selling snake oil to midwits
No? Did you see how they obliterated AMD this gen despite having worse products at higher prices? Obviously it works so you'd be dumber than the braindead masses to stop investing into gimmicks that sell.
>maybe Nvidia should stop selling snake oil to midwits
No? Did you see how they obliterated AMD this gen despite having worse products at higher prices? Obviously it works so you'd be dumber than the braindead masses to stop investing into gimmicks that sell.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:00:57 No.103958635
>>103958557
They just buy G.Skill Royal or Corsair Dominator. True richfags don't mess around with anything. Only poor people do,
They just buy G.Skill Royal or Corsair Dominator. True richfags don't mess around with anything. Only poor people do,
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:00:59 No.103958636
>>103958597
Leave V-Sync forced on in Nvidia control panel
The driver knows to not engage it if you have G-Sync/VRR enabled and have frame rates below your monitor's max refresh rate
Then if your game exceeds that refresh rate, the driver knows to disengage VRR and engage V-Sync
If you use Reflex or a frame rate cap below your maximum refresh rate, V-Sync will practically never engage outside of the rare frame rate spike
Leave V-Sync forced on in Nvidia control panel
The driver knows to not engage it if you have G-Sync/VRR enabled and have frame rates below your monitor's max refresh rate
Then if your game exceeds that refresh rate, the driver knows to disengage VRR and engage V-Sync
If you use Reflex or a frame rate cap below your maximum refresh rate, V-Sync will practically never engage outside of the rare frame rate spike
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:02:05 No.103958652
>>103958597
vsync on + 1-3 fps cap below monitor hz + max pre render limit 1-2
vsync on + 1-3 fps cap below monitor hz + max pre render limit 1-2
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:02:35 No.103958658
![Lossless Scaling： Frame Generation For Every Game - But How Good Is it？ [69k7ZXLK1to]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1737316955280019s.jpg)
>>103958069
More about the base performance than the VRAM outside of specific cases (e.g., large Blender scenes)
>>103958495
>amdrone in chief thought the 5080 would be $1750
>>103958508
Only AMDrones ever cared about it anyway
They've been shilling it since launch as better than DLSS
More about the base performance than the VRAM outside of specific cases (e.g., large Blender scenes)
>>103958495
>amdrone in chief thought the 5080 would be $1750
>>103958508
Only AMDrones ever cared about it anyway
They've been shilling it since launch as better than DLSS
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:02:59 No.103958660
Is $45 for a reference GTX 780 in Europe asking too much these days? Thinking of picking one up for a Windows XP build. There's also an MSI Lightning on offer but that shit's $90.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:03:46 No.103958671
>>103958658
AMD had FSR, FSRFG, and AFMF so no, that makes no sense.
AMD had FSR, FSRFG, and AFMF so no, that makes no sense.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:04:37 No.103958680
>>103958605
I'm only talking about in context to frame generation. Lossless Scaling's original purpose, scaling hence its name, was never a bad thing which I agree with you.
But the "hate" on LSFG is because it's a response to the sudden OMG IT'S JUST AS GOOD AS NVIDIA when the people saying that have never used proper frame gen and don't realize it's actually shit since it doesn't compensate for latency that Reflex does nor is the output image anywhere close to what Nvidia's FG outputs
I'm only talking about in context to frame generation. Lossless Scaling's original purpose, scaling hence its name, was never a bad thing which I agree with you.
But the "hate" on LSFG is because it's a response to the sudden OMG IT'S JUST AS GOOD AS NVIDIA when the people saying that have never used proper frame gen and don't realize it's actually shit since it doesn't compensate for latency that Reflex does nor is the output image anywhere close to what Nvidia's FG outputs
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:05:11 No.103958688
>>103958631
>how they obliterated AMD this gen despite having worse products at higher prices?
Indeed I haven't. 7900 XTX almost tear a new asshole into Nvidia, besides gimpworks gimmick games of course in those categories Nvidia "won". Evidently so that they've begged AMD to not produce any flagship GPUs anymore. The fact that this worthless company shills frame generation to sell GPUs is peak snake oil salesman tactic. 4090 wasn't even 1% of the entire userbase, don't talk about obliterations you shit eater.
>how they obliterated AMD this gen despite having worse products at higher prices?
Indeed I haven't. 7900 XTX almost tear a new asshole into Nvidia, besides gimpworks gimmick games of course in those categories Nvidia "won". Evidently so that they've begged AMD to not produce any flagship GPUs anymore. The fact that this worthless company shills frame generation to sell GPUs is peak snake oil salesman tactic. 4090 wasn't even 1% of the entire userbase, don't talk about obliterations you shit eater.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:05:41 No.103958692
God damnit I am getting the dram warning light on my motherboard after reassembling my pc since I just got the MB back from asus warranty. I put the ram in all possible slots but nothing is changing. Think I might have to reseat my cpu? I really dont want to do that because it is a pain to do that every time
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:06:20 No.103958704
>>103958658
>>amdrone in chief thought the 5080 would be $1750
what's wrong Nvidia cultist? I hit a nerve?
>>amdrone in chief thought the 5080 would be $1750
what's wrong Nvidia cultist? I hit a nerve?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:07:52 No.103958722
>>103958406
kek
kek
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:08:00 No.103958726
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:08:05 No.103958728
>>103958652
The actual frame rate cap should be something like 3 - 4% below your max refresh rate. You'll see this with Reflex where the frame rate cap gap gets larger as max refresh rate goes up
The 3fps number is thrown around because that's what the 3 - 4% roughly translates to for a 120Hz screen which is where all this latency/frame rate capping testing originally started on
The actual frame rate cap should be something like 3 - 4% below your max refresh rate. You'll see this with Reflex where the frame rate cap gap gets larger as max refresh rate goes up
The 3fps number is thrown around because that's what the 3 - 4% roughly translates to for a 120Hz screen which is where all this latency/frame rate capping testing originally started on
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:09:32 No.103958747
>>103958597
FG doesn't even work with traditional V-sync
https://youtu.be/uyxXRXDtcPA?si=YJSOIquBQFTAXU-L&t=937
>>103958605
>And it was seen as a positive.
Only by AMDrones and poorfags on GTX cards
Outside of that it has very little utility, maybe for emulators or old software but that's about it
>>103958671
Always late and worse than Nvidia's tech (also less supported than DLSS)
Which is why Lossless got popularized, to fill the gap
>>103958726
>delusion should be front and center in /pcbg/
It is basically /amdbg/ anyway
FG doesn't even work with traditional V-sync
https://youtu.be/uyxXRXDtcPA?si=YJS
>>103958605
>And it was seen as a positive.
Only by AMDrones and poorfags on GTX cards
Outside of that it has very little utility, maybe for emulators or old software but that's about it
>>103958671
Always late and worse than Nvidia's tech (also less supported than DLSS)
Which is why Lossless got popularized, to fill the gap
>>103958726
>delusion should be front and center in /pcbg/
It is basically /amdbg/ anyway
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:10:38 No.103958760
>>103958728
it depends on how precise your frame limiter. they vary wildly. if you have rtss you can do fractional frame limits to the nearest number. for example 164.47 will make it go no higher than 164.5fps.
it depends on how precise your frame limiter. they vary wildly. if you have rtss you can do fractional frame limits to the nearest number. for example 164.47 will make it go no higher than 164.5fps.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:11:06 No.103958762
>>103958688
7900XTX is the card that had to be discounted near $800 to move remaining stock, not the $1600 4090 which sold st above MSRP for much of its production.
There was no ass-tearing.
>4080 was discounted
Because NVIDIA discovered the limits of their greed, but the 4080 Super normalized -80 tier card prices to $1000.
7900XTX is the card that had to be discounted near $800 to move remaining stock, not the $1600 4090 which sold st above MSRP for much of its production.
There was no ass-tearing.
>4080 was discounted
Because NVIDIA discovered the limits of their greed, but the 4080 Super normalized -80 tier card prices to $1000.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:12:05 No.103958769
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:12:38 No.103958776
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:13:08 No.103958779
>>103958747
>>delusion
I have something to cope for you Nvidia faggot. Don't make me piss on your face in this thread, because I will.
https://youtu.be/lA8DphutMsY?t=633
>>delusion
I have something to cope for you Nvidia faggot. Don't make me piss on your face in this thread, because I will.
https://youtu.be/lA8DphutMsY?t=633
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:15:29 No.103958806
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:16:29 No.103958815
>>103958688
>7900 XTX almost tear a new asshole into Nvidia
>slower in raster
>much slower in rt
>no competent reconstruction or fg
>much slower in ai
>much slower in blender
>worse power consumption under lite loads (250W to run CS as 15% GPU load)
>cpu limted driver
>doesn't work properly with most new oleds
Etc, etc. Almost though, you know, if AMD just did almost everything better, a lot better
>>103958776
I'm aware. FG works with VRR not V-sync
>7900 XTX almost tear a new asshole into Nvidia
>slower in raster
>much slower in rt
>no competent reconstruction or fg
>much slower in ai
>much slower in blender
>worse power consumption under lite loads (250W to run CS as 15% GPU load)
>cpu limted driver
>doesn't work properly with most new oleds
Etc, etc. Almost though, you know, if AMD just did almost everything better, a lot better
>>103958776
I'm aware. FG works with VRR not V-sync
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:17:40 No.103958824
should i get a rx 7900 xt now or wait for the 9070 xt?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:18:25 No.103958833
>>103958824
You should buy two 7900 XTs to help your favorite company clear stock
You should buy two 7900 XTs to help your favorite company clear stock
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:18:26 No.103958834
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:19:26 No.103958843
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:21:06 No.103958859
>>103958688
sad fanfiction
sad fanfiction
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:22:03 No.103958866
I'm actually excited to see how Blackwell's hardware flip metering affects frame pacing and if it has benefits for 2xFG vs RTX 40 2xFG
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:22:08 No.103958867
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:22:40 No.103958871
>>103958779
>110 ms input lag
>28 frames
>with DLSS4 and x4 fake frames over "200 frames"
>input lag still above 60ms
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>110 ms input lag
>28 frames
>with DLSS4 and x4 fake frames over "200 frames"
>input lag still above 60ms
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:23:39 No.103958881
>>103958843
So is this a lie?
So is this a lie?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:24:28 No.103958894
>Evidently so that they've begged AMD to not produce any flagship GPUs anymore.
incredibly pathetic to lie to yourself like this
incredibly pathetic to lie to yourself like this
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:25:40 No.103958906
>>103958894
standard AMDrone behavior
standard AMDrone behavior
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:27:06 No.103958916
>>103958688
>7900 XTX almost tear a new asshole into Nvidia
In terms of price to performance maybe, but it was still outsold by the slower, more expensive and with fuck all VRAM RTX 4080. AMD doesn't have a product or pricing problem, it has a marketing and brand problem.
>7900 XTX almost tear a new asshole into Nvidia
In terms of price to performance maybe, but it was still outsold by the slower, more expensive and with fuck all VRAM RTX 4080. AMD doesn't have a product or pricing problem, it has a marketing and brand problem.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:27:40 No.103958921
>>103958881
No, battlenonsense videos covers this interaction between Gsync, Vsync, and Reflex
That CS2 setting is fine.
No, battlenonsense videos covers this interaction between Gsync, Vsync, and Reflex
That CS2 setting is fine.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:29:09 No.103958935
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Temnelc/saved/BCtKcf
I have never built nor had an actual Gaming Desktop before and I'm tired of using my shitty Laptop.
Is this a good part list, need I change anything? I wouldn't mind going the extra mile for a 3080 or even 3080 Super but I'm being told the burning problem still is a thing. I can spare up to 3200€, I'm located in France
I have never built nor had an actual Gaming Desktop before and I'm tired of using my shitty Laptop.
Is this a good part list, need I change anything? I wouldn't mind going the extra mile for a 3080 or even 3080 Super but I'm being told the burning problem still is a thing. I can spare up to 3200€, I'm located in France
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:29:21 No.103958937
>>103958894
>incredibly pathetic to lie to yourself like this
yeah?
Are you going to tell me that Huang and Su aren't cousins and would never ever possibly consider such a horrendous act of competitive behaviour to make a buck?
>incredibly pathetic to lie to yourself like this
yeah?
Are you going to tell me that Huang and Su aren't cousins and would never ever possibly consider such a horrendous act of competitive behaviour to make a buck?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:29:34 No.103958939
>>103958916
More like people buying $1000 cares a lot about overall feature set.
Even HWUnboxed Steve told viewers to pay $1200 more for a 4080 instead of buying 7900XTX for $1000.
He’s as anti RT as a reviewer gets.
More like people buying $1000 cares a lot about overall feature set.
Even HWUnboxed Steve told viewers to pay $1200 more for a 4080 instead of buying 7900XTX for $1000.
He’s as anti RT as a reviewer gets.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:30:30 No.103958951
>>103958937
holy pathetic embarrassing cope
holy pathetic embarrassing cope
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:32:19 No.103958974
>>103958939
If you are buying a $1000-1200 card the least you want is enough VRAM for 4k gaming today and tomorrow, 16 GB isn't it and DLSS is there only to make you cope with that by running your games at sub-native resolutions. It's a net zero.
If you are buying a $1000-1200 card the least you want is enough VRAM for 4k gaming today and tomorrow, 16 GB isn't it and DLSS is there only to make you cope with that by running your games at sub-native resolutions. It's a net zero.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:32:24 No.103958975
>>103958951
Get your mouth filled with my semen Nvidia cultist. I tell you when to swallow.
Get your mouth filled with my semen Nvidia cultist. I tell you when to swallow.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:32:54 No.103958979
>>103958881
Some games use V-sync for internal timing. I don't know whether CS2 is like that, probably not. I cap my framerate manually for competitive games using RTSS. V-sync is irrelevant for competitive games as far as I'm concerned. I have around 15,000 hours combined in PUBG, R6:Siege, and Apex Legends
>>103958916
>[RTG] doesn't have a product or pricing problem
It has a huge product and pricing problem. None of the RX 7000 can even get close to RTX 40 in terms of value. Pic related doesn't even have hw accel RT. Imagine if it did
>>103958894
Holy shit I didn't even read that far into his post. Literal insanity. It's not called AMDelusion for no reason
Some games use V-sync for internal timing. I don't know whether CS2 is like that, probably not. I cap my framerate manually for competitive games using RTSS. V-sync is irrelevant for competitive games as far as I'm concerned. I have around 15,000 hours combined in PUBG, R6:Siege, and Apex Legends
>>103958916
>[RTG] doesn't have a product or pricing problem
It has a huge product and pricing problem. None of the RX 7000 can even get close to RTX 40 in terms of value. Pic related doesn't even have hw accel RT. Imagine if it did
>>103958894
Holy shit I didn't even read that far into his post. Literal insanity. It's not called AMDelusion for no reason
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:33:15 No.103958985
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:33:28 No.103958987
>>103958871
Are you retarded?
Sub-30fps means a >33.3ms frame time
Turning on DLSS Performance can get you into 75 - 90 fps range so ~13.3ms. DLSS FG buffers 1 frame and has some single digit ms processing time for generating frames
So at worse, you'll get 2 x 13.3 + single digit processing which is in the same ballpark of the 33.3ms frame time of sub-30fps native
It's a similar total system latency if you enable all the features of DLSS
Are you retarded?
Sub-30fps means a >33.3ms frame time
Turning on DLSS Performance can get you into 75 - 90 fps range so ~13.3ms. DLSS FG buffers 1 frame and has some single digit ms processing time for generating frames
So at worse, you'll get 2 x 13.3 + single digit processing which is in the same ballpark of the 33.3ms frame time of sub-30fps native
It's a similar total system latency if you enable all the features of DLSS
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:34:22 No.103958996
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:35:24 No.103959005
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:35:30 No.103959007
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:35:37 No.103959010
>>103958974
16GB is fine for 4K gaming, the 4080’s GPU will age worse before the memory capacity becomes a real issue.
Memory allocation =\= required utilization.
24GB cards just loads up as much data ahead of time to allocate the spare capacity.
16GB is fine for 4K gaming, the 4080’s GPU will age worse before the memory capacity becomes a real issue.
Memory allocation =\= required utilization.
24GB cards just loads up as much data ahead of time to allocate the spare capacity.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:36:42 No.103959020
>>103958985
This Time Spy benchmark says the A770 is a better gaming card than the 3070 or the 3060Ti.
Completely worthless.
This Time Spy benchmark says the A770 is a better gaming card than the 3070 or the 3060Ti.
Completely worthless.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:36:52 No.103959021
>>103958987
>Turning on DLSS Performance can get into 75 - 90 fps range so ~13.3ms
the 5090 turns you into a 108ms scenario Pablo
>Turning on DLSS Performance can get into 75 - 90 fps range so ~13.3ms
the 5090 turns you into a 108ms scenario Pablo
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:37:00 No.103959023
>>103959005
AYYMDogshit is slow and hot
AYYMDogshit is slow and hot
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:37:04 No.103959024
>>103958979
>hw accel RT
I'm still amazed anyone with an RT card still gives a damn about RT. Maybe you're posting from India where you can't afford an RTX card yet but in the four years I've been on one I've never kept any RT setting on for more than a few minutes as I can actually see more frames than 60. I hate RT and I hate AI for taking up space on my GPU dies just like I hate shitskin indians like you taking space on my white ethnostate's sidewalks.
>hw accel RT
I'm still amazed anyone with an RT card still gives a damn about RT. Maybe you're posting from India where you can't afford an RTX card yet but in the four years I've been on one I've never kept any RT setting on for more than a few minutes as I can actually see more frames than 60. I hate RT and I hate AI for taking up space on my GPU dies just like I hate shitskin indians like you taking space on my white ethnostate's sidewalks.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:38:41 No.103959044
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:38:45 No.103959045
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:39:11 No.103959053
IDK how Euro pricing works, but I saw someone post the cost of the Asus cards and was stunned at how much more expensive they are over the FE's MSRP. Is shit like VAT baked into these prices, or is there other costs?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:40:12 No.103959060
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:40:34 No.103959062
>>103959053
Its just worth that much more, trust me
Its just worth that much more, trust me
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:40:37 No.103959065
>>103959021
Ah so you are retarded
Ah so you are retarded
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:40:51 No.103959067
>>103959053
Nvidia is making a lot of money on the chips so Asus got jealous and decided they want to make the same margins on the cards .
Its all okay though since retards will pay anything
Nvidia is making a lot of money on the chips so Asus got jealous and decided they want to make the same margins on the cards .
Its all okay though since retards will pay anything
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:42:37 No.103959086
>>103959053
Why do you think there's no 5070Ti FE?
It was Nvidia throwing their AIBs a bone to slurp up margins because otherwise the MSRP FE model will mog the AIB custom models
Probably also because the cost of the new FE cooler couldn't be justified below $1000
Why do you think there's no 5070Ti FE?
It was Nvidia throwing their AIBs a bone to slurp up margins because otherwise the MSRP FE model will mog the AIB custom models
Probably also because the cost of the new FE cooler couldn't be justified below $1000
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:43:23 No.103959096
>>103959065
I know how input lags works unlike you Pablo. You have gimmicks to cope with that like Reflex which reduced it by 5-10ms if at all. Frame will add input lag, DLSS will add input lag and the scenario turning it off entire turns your GPU into a pile of worthless trash.
I know how input lags works unlike you Pablo. You have gimmicks to cope with that like Reflex which reduced it by 5-10ms if at all. Frame will add input lag, DLSS will add input lag and the scenario turning it off entire turns your GPU into a pile of worthless trash.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:43:25 No.103959097
>>103959053
European prices have always been 20-25% more than US prices, to the point that in some cases it's almost worth it to import from the US yourself and just take the import tax hit. I'd imagine this is what most retailers do. Either way, I imagine most of the price is import tax+having Taiwan/China on literally the other side of the planet. The US can be shipped to easily from China without needing to go around the cape of Africa or Suez Canal. 5090 FE is 2455€ MSRP in my country for example.
European prices have always been 20-25% more than US prices, to the point that in some cases it's almost worth it to import from the US yourself and just take the import tax hit. I'd imagine this is what most retailers do. Either way, I imagine most of the price is import tax+having Taiwan/China on literally the other side of the planet. The US can be shipped to easily from China without needing to go around the cape of Africa or Suez Canal. 5090 FE is 2455€ MSRP in my country for example.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:43:53 No.103959104
>>103958975
So, you're saying Lisa Su and Letherjackman conspiring against consumers? They agree that AMD will make only inferior GPUs so nvidia can get all the GPU market cap and AMD all the CPU market cap?
Except that, nvidia is literally planning to enter CPU market and neither of them have 100% control over company, you absolute retard
And if that was a thing, why the fuck would they risk their reputation and career for few more millions? Do you really believe they would do this so they can buy more mansions?
You're retarded and no one should talk to you.
So, you're saying Lisa Su and Letherjackman conspiring against consumers? They agree that AMD will make only inferior GPUs so nvidia can get all the GPU market cap and AMD all the CPU market cap?
Except that, nvidia is literally planning to enter CPU market and neither of them have 100% control over company, you absolute retard
And if that was a thing, why the fuck would they risk their reputation and career for few more millions? Do you really believe they would do this so they can buy more mansions?
You're retarded and no one should talk to you.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:44:36 No.103959112
>>103959067
MSI is worse and PNY isn't far off from Asus.
MSI is worse and PNY isn't far off from Asus.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:44:42 No.103959113
>>103959096
>DLSS will add input lag
You retard. DLSS super resolution reduces input lag because it boosts actual rendered frame rates
>DLSS will add input lag
You retard. DLSS super resolution reduces input lag because it boosts actual rendered frame rates
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:44:50 No.103959114
>>103958985
Meanwhile, the 7900XTX has to be overclocked to beat a stock 4080 Super in the newest 3DMark rasterized benchmark.
Rasterized results.
Meanwhile, the 7900XTX has to be overclocked to beat a stock 4080 Super in the newest 3DMark rasterized benchmark.
Rasterized results.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:46:01 No.103959124
>>103959113
what part of DLSS reduced input lag little faggot
what part of DLSS reduced input lag little faggot
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:46:55 No.103959132
>>103959053
EU prices always have VAT included and VAT can be upwards of 20% depending on the country
There's probably also a bit of costs associated with importing outside of just foreign currency conversion as well
EU prices always have VAT included and VAT can be upwards of 20% depending on the country
There's probably also a bit of costs associated with importing outside of just foreign currency conversion as well
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:47:30 No.103959139
>>103959124
by boosting rendered frames retard
by boosting rendered frames retard
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:48:29 No.103959149
>>103959124
Are you trying to imply that rendering at internal 1080p for 3x the real frame rate vs 4K native doesn't lower input latency?
Are you trying to imply that rendering at internal 1080p for 3x the real frame rate vs 4K native doesn't lower input latency?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:49:57 No.103959161
>>103959139
In no scenario DLSS reduces input lag by "boosting" anything you little faggot. You literally don't know wtf you are talking about.
In no scenario DLSS reduces input lag by "boosting" anything you little faggot. You literally don't know wtf you are talking about.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:50:00 No.103959162
>>103959149
it's an AMDtroon, xhe doesn't know what the fuck xhey're talking about
it's an AMDtroon, xhe doesn't know what the fuck xhey're talking about
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:50:06 No.103959164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyxXRXDtcPA
NVIDIA WON
THANK YOU NVIDIA
NVIDIA WON
THANK YOU NVIDIA
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:50:53 No.103959173
>>103959162
smartest ayymdfag mirite?
smartest ayymdfag mirite?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:51:30 No.103959179
not gonna lie all this constant kvetching about tech and optimizations make me realize everyone just enjoys kvetching about tech and no one actually plays gaymes or uses this stuff
the tech and min maxing everything is useless since the games are slop
just wanna play the games for goodness sake
the tech and min maxing everything is useless since the games are slop
just wanna play the games for goodness sake
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:52:18 No.103959191
>>103959179
I'm waiting for the tech (5080) so that I can enjoy games with said tech (CP2077)
I'm waiting for the tech (5080) so that I can enjoy games with said tech (CP2077)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:52:25 No.103959196
another thread Nvidia gets fucked hard
at this point I just won't buy any Nvidia product anymore
at this point I just won't buy any Nvidia product anymore
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:52:56 No.103959199
damn 700 watts
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:53:01 No.103959201
>>103959179
>just wanna play the games for goodness sake
good games don't need more than an AMD APU and don't set up internet thunderdomes
>just wanna play the games for goodness sake
good games don't need more than an AMD APU and don't set up internet thunderdomes
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:53:09 No.103959204
>>103959191
you should have bought a 4090 2 years ago
now you should buy a sub 1k discounted 4090 before the reviews come out and the 4090 sloppers raise their prices (again)
you should have bought a 4090 2 years ago
now you should buy a sub 1k discounted 4090 before the reviews come out and the 4090 sloppers raise their prices (again)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:53:45 No.103959210
>>103959161
retarded brain damage award
retarded brain damage award
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:54:51 No.103959217
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:55:23 No.103959223
>>103959204
I'm an mITXfag so a 4090 would never fit
A 5080FE does and so does a 5090FE but I'm not about to attempt cooling 575W in an mITX form factor
I'm an mITXfag so a 4090 would never fit
A 5080FE does and so does a 5090FE but I'm not about to attempt cooling 575W in an mITX form factor
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:55:40 No.103959225
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:58:48 No.103959259
Lisa is not sending AMD's best to /pcbg/
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)15:59:46 No.103959271
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:00:50 No.103959287
god it's so fucking easy to deal with Nvidia retards
like taking candy from a retarded child
my eyes are on the B580 12GB and considering the test Edward made we might have Intel chads also taking a heavenly piss on Nvidia
like taking candy from a retarded child
my eyes are on the B580 12GB and considering the test Edward made we might have Intel chads also taking a heavenly piss on Nvidia
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:01:32 No.103959293
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:01:58 No.103959302
>>103958688
Sorry this is the post-raster framegen era of games, AMD just can't keep up
Sorry this is the post-raster framegen era of games, AMD just can't keep up
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:02:54 No.103959312
>>103959199
How many watts to beat a 5090, an even 1000?
How many watts to beat a 5090, an even 1000?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:03:40 No.103959323
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:04:16 No.103959330
>>103959287
WHOS EDWARD
WHOS EDWARD
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:05:22 No.103959338
>>103959196
>>103959287
Stop samfagging. It's over, you (yes you personally) lost
>>103959323
Native has the worst input lag
You really have no scientific literacy at all
>>103959287
Stop samfagging. It's over, you (yes you personally) lost
>>103959323
Native has the worst input lag
You really have no scientific literacy at all
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:07:34 No.103959368
>>103959338
>DLSS reduces input lag by rendering at 864p in quality
Is this what you cope on or the reflex part?
>DLSS reduces input lag by rendering at 864p in quality
Is this what you cope on or the reflex part?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:08:15 No.103959382
>>103959204
>now you should buy a sub 1k discounted 4090
He doesn't know. You could have been paid to game on a 4090 for two years.
>now you should buy a sub 1k discounted 4090
He doesn't know. You could have been paid to game on a 4090 for two years.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:10:08 No.103959408
>>103959338
seethe more nigger
seethe more nigger
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:10:57 No.103959413
>>103959368
>dlss will add input lag >>103959096 >>103959124
You stand correct. Can you even understand the graph in >>103959293?
>dlss will add input lag >>103959096 >>103959124
You stand correct. Can you even understand the graph in >>103959293?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:12:36 No.103959433
>>103959413
So are you to provide evidence or not? I won't ask you again, input lag Pablo.
So are you to provide evidence or not? I won't ask you again, input lag Pablo.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:13:03 No.103959440
>>103959053
typically the msrp + vat which is like 25% in finland
typically the msrp + vat which is like 25% in finland
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:14:17 No.103959456
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:14:49 No.103959459
>>103959201
multiplayer games? what do you mean by this
apus? almost kinda weak
must be old ass games
but maybe
>>103959287
a b580 will literally cost 10x less than a 5090
that is an actual reasonable price for a gpu
multiplayer games? what do you mean by this
apus? almost kinda weak
must be old ass games
but maybe
>>103959287
a b580 will literally cost 10x less than a 5090
that is an actual reasonable price for a gpu
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:17:25 No.103959495
>>103959456
what I supposed to read here? That when you render in quality mode you get 1ms lower input lag?
What's next you going to cope on you faggot? Provide evidence that DLSS lowers input lag you nigger.
what I supposed to read here? That when you render in quality mode you get 1ms lower input lag?
What's next you going to cope on you faggot? Provide evidence that DLSS lowers input lag you nigger.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:21:01 No.103959535
>>103959495
DLSS is better than native in Unreal games like Aveum, and that's a 4K benchmark, illiterate
Literally better looking, more real FPS, and lower input lag
This is your last (You)
DLSS is better than native in Unreal games like Aveum, and that's a 4K benchmark, illiterate
Literally better looking, more real FPS, and lower input lag
This is your last (You)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:21:56 No.103959547
>>103959495
>Provide evidence that DLSS lowers input lag
you render at lower resolution giving your more fps which gives a lower input lag.. uh
>Provide evidence that DLSS lowers input lag
you render at lower resolution giving your more fps which gives a lower input lag.. uh
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:23:29 No.103959568
>>103959535
>hasn't provided any proof
>this is my last you
LIke I give a fuck what you do you utter subhuman.
>It's important to note that DLSS doesn't inherently reduce latency by itself; rather, the higher frame rate it enables is what typically leads to reduced input lag
>In competitive games where you're already achieving very high frame rates, enabling DLSS might not provide additional latency benefits
Absolutely kill yourself and anything you stand for you Nvidia shill.
>hasn't provided any proof
>this is my last you
LIke I give a fuck what you do you utter subhuman.
>It's important to note that DLSS doesn't inherently reduce latency by itself; rather, the higher frame rate it enables is what typically leads to reduced input lag
>In competitive games where you're already achieving very high frame rates, enabling DLSS might not provide additional latency benefits
Absolutely kill yourself and anything you stand for you Nvidia shill.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:26:13 No.103959606
>>103959547
>DLSS reduces input lag
it doesn't and never will
lowering the resolution (even without it) might lead to improvements
kill yourself
>DLSS reduces input lag
it doesn't and never will
lowering the resolution (even without it) might lead to improvements
kill yourself
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)16:29:01 No.103959646
Why can't AMD stick to one fucking naming scheme?
Fucking stick to one god damnit.
Fucking stick to one god damnit.