/pcbg/ - PC Building General
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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 Steel Legend, X870 Tomahawk, X870E NOVA (be advised: B850 boards inbound)
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6800CL34 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN580
Mid range: 990 EVO Plus, SN7100
Premium: 990 PRO, T500, SN850X
Workstation: Rocket 5, T705 (be advised: Samsung+WD gen5 drives inbound)
>GPU
1080p: RTX 5070, RX 9070 (be advised: new budget cards inbound)
1440p: RTX 5070 TI, RX 9070XT
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/
>CASE
mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT Pro (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro
AVOID: 'Silent' cases
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Phanteks T30-120, Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
>MONITOR
1080p: AOC 24G4E, MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D, AOC Q27G3XMN, MSI G274QPX, ASUS XG27AQDMG, Alienware AW2725DF
4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, MSI MAG 321UPX, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8, ASUS PG32UCDM/P
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
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Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/inde
>CPU
Budget: 12400F, 9600X, 12700KF, 7600X
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 285K, 14700K
>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67
>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 Steel Legend, X870 Tomahawk, X870E NOVA (be advised: B850 boards inbound)
>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6800CL34 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB
>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN580
Mid range: 990 EVO Plus, SN7100
Premium: 990 PRO, T500, SN850X
Workstation: Rocket 5, T705 (be advised: Samsung+WD gen5 drives inbound)
>GPU
1080p: RTX 5070, RX 9070 (be advised: new budget cards inbound)
1440p: RTX 5070 TI, RX 9070XT
4K: RTX 5090, RTX 5080
Workstation: AVOID AMD cards
>PSU
Budget: Gold rated 500-600W PSU
Mid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max load
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/be
>CASE
mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT Pro (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro
AVOID: 'Silent' cases
>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Phanteks T30-120, Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2
>MONITOR
1080p: AOC 24G4E, MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2725D, AOC Q27G3XMN, MSI G274QPX, ASUS XG27AQDMG, Alienware AW2725DF
4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, MSI MAG 321UPX, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8, ASUS PG32UCDM/P
>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt
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Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:31:54 No.103953236
>AI Slop
Kill yourself OP
Kill yourself OP
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:32:39 No.103953240
The stock 140mm fans in my Torrent case have gotten noisy at low speeds. What do I replace them with? Will the Arctic P14 fans in the OP last a long time? Should I look for 2 180mm fans instead?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:33:10 No.103953243
Njudea shill thread
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:35:05 No.103953256
>>103953240
rip a connector pin and send an replacement request to fractal
rip a connector pin and send an replacement request to fractal
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:35:13 No.103953257
>>103953240
NF-A14X25 G2
NF-A14X25 G2
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:44:33 No.103953311
>>103953240
I wouldn't replace them with Arctics since they're also noisy at low speeds (1000RPM resonance). Try an RMA first and, failing that, replace them with some more premium fans - Noctua, BeQuiet, Scythe, etc. You're obviously not broke what with the $200 case.
>Should I look for 2 180mm fans instead?
Interesting proposition. Ball's in your court with that one.
I wouldn't replace them with Arctics since they're also noisy at low speeds (1000RPM resonance). Try an RMA first and, failing that, replace them with some more premium fans - Noctua, BeQuiet, Scythe, etc. You're obviously not broke what with the $200 case.
>Should I look for 2 180mm fans instead?
Interesting proposition. Ball's in your court with that one.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:48:46 No.103953335
>>103953257
wheres the black version
wheres the black version
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:49:29 No.103953343
>>103953335
Not out yet.
Not out yet.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)04:58:26 No.103953397
I honesty think the 9800X3D could be $799 and it would still sell out, people wouldn't complain about the price either.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:03:48 No.103953433
>7600X + 6800XT
>1080p / 144hz
>want to upgrade
>upcoming gen looks like its almost not worth it
at this point im just going to get a 9800x3d, slam it into my MB and wait for another 3 years.
the 5070TI looks like it will be atleast 1k€ and the 9070XT looks like it will just be a 15% performance upgrade over my 6800XT
>1080p / 144hz
>want to upgrade
>upcoming gen looks like its almost not worth it
at this point im just going to get a 9800x3d, slam it into my MB and wait for another 3 years.
the 5070TI looks like it will be atleast 1k€ and the 9070XT looks like it will just be a 15% performance upgrade over my 6800XT
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:04:03 No.103953434
>>103953397
Yup. The average PC builder is now in their mid thirties with a stable job so dropping $2k on a hobby is seen as normal. Cheap, even. We didn't know how good we had it when these companies had to price their stuff for teenagers and young adults.
Yup. The average PC builder is now in their mid thirties with a stable job so dropping $2k on a hobby is seen as normal. Cheap, even. We didn't know how good we had it when these companies had to price their stuff for teenagers and young adults.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:06:18 No.103953450
>>103953240
if you have the option to use 180mm you absolutely should since they'll push more air at even lower rpm.
if you have the option to use 180mm you absolutely should since they'll push more air at even lower rpm.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:06:27 No.103953451
>>103953335
supposed to release this quarter
supposed to release this quarter
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:07:39 No.103953459
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:07:40 No.103953460
>>103953433
Excluding RT, I don't think there's a single game out there that you couldn't dial in to 100+ FPS with good visuals on that rig. If you've really got the itch you'd be better off upgrading your monitor, speakers, chair, etc. Hell, get another hobby - go buy an MSR and wild camp or something.
Excluding RT, I don't think there's a single game out there that you couldn't dial in to 100+ FPS with good visuals on that rig. If you've really got the itch you'd be better off upgrading your monitor, speakers, chair, etc. Hell, get another hobby - go buy an MSR and wild camp or something.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:07:40 No.103953461
so thursday the 23rd is when the review embargo lifts as well as release? or has there been changes?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:10:08 No.103953474
>>103953450
The bottom fans have a lot more obstruction than the front ones. Not saying it won't be good just that the area gains will be mitigated by the loss of pressure at low RPM.
The bottom fans have a lot more obstruction than the front ones. Not saying it won't be good just that the area gains will be mitigated by the loss of pressure at low RPM.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:17:04 No.103953503
>>103953397
>amd before
we offer 8 cores at 4 core prices!
>amd now
we offer 8 cores at 24 core prices
>>103953433
I don't get how people have fully functional pcs even feel the need to upgrade, it almost does not feel worth it unless you rig becomes so bad it can't play or run modern software
even screens aren't even worth
nothing is honestly worth
but going from nothing when your shit is dead to something is a 100% perfomance upgrade, dare I say life changing
everything after you have a normal functional baseline of something to something of the same but better is so tiny it's barely worth
>>103953434
were things cheap before though?
>>103953460
POV upgrading your pc is like a smartphone in 2025
>it's the same thing but.... slightly faster
much excite
>amd before
we offer 8 cores at 4 core prices!
>amd now
we offer 8 cores at 24 core prices
>>103953433
I don't get how people have fully functional pcs even feel the need to upgrade, it almost does not feel worth it unless you rig becomes so bad it can't play or run modern software
even screens aren't even worth
nothing is honestly worth
but going from nothing when your shit is dead to something is a 100% perfomance upgrade, dare I say life changing
everything after you have a normal functional baseline of something to something of the same but better is so tiny it's barely worth
>>103953434
were things cheap before though?
>>103953460
POV upgrading your pc is like a smartphone in 2025
>it's the same thing but.... slightly faster
much excite
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:40:27 No.103953641
Is there any point to custom water cooling loops anymore? I never see them by this point, just AIOs.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:43:49 No.103953655
>>103953641
Its the only way to push 400W on 14900k's and keep your gpu at 45-50C under load
Its the only way to push 400W on 14900k's and keep your gpu at 45-50C under load
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:49:17 No.103953686
>>103953240
I don't think I have spoken to anyone or read about whos 180m fans didn't die after like 6months, worst part is you are fucked with buying the 40$ fans again from fractal or getting the suspect ones from silverstone
I don't think I have spoken to anyone or read about whos 180m fans didn't die after like 6months, worst part is you are fucked with buying the 40$ fans again from fractal or getting the suspect ones from silverstone
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:50:42 No.103953692
>>103953641
there are performance benefits, you can get quieter pumps, better flow rates, larger radiators
but at the end of the day you can get most of the way there at 1/4 the cost and 1/100th the effort with an AIO, so custom loops end up being a very niche hobby thing
there are performance benefits, you can get quieter pumps, better flow rates, larger radiators
but at the end of the day you can get most of the way there at 1/4 the cost and 1/100th the effort with an AIO, so custom loops end up being a very niche hobby thing
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:57:37 No.103953725
>>103953692
That makes sense. I just used to see a bunch of them some number of years back, but suddenly never again.
I'll be paying off my house in a few years and want to reward myself with a fucking stupidly over the top computer when that happens, and I remember those colored tubes always looking super cool.
That makes sense. I just used to see a bunch of them some number of years back, but suddenly never again.
I'll be paying off my house in a few years and want to reward myself with a fucking stupidly over the top computer when that happens, and I remember those colored tubes always looking super cool.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)05:58:42 No.103953734
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:03:28 No.103953763
Poorfag here, I need to upgrade my CPU (i5-6400) and I can either get a used i7-6700k or a new i3-12100F for about $70. Is it worth getting 12100f and a new motherboard or should I just get a used one and save on a motherboard?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:03:51 No.103953765
>>103953734
I was in that thread from the start
I was in that thread from the start
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:10:35 No.103953810
>DOOM: The Dark Ages will revolutionize gaming by using ray tracing to enhance both visuals and gameplay. It supports DLSS 4 and Path Tracing, offering full ray-traced visuals. Ray tracing also improves hit detection, distinguishing materials like metal and leather, making the game more immersive. And the game is already running smoothly on the GeForce RTX 50 Series.
I hope the RT haters weren't interested in doom
I hope the RT haters weren't interested in doom
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:19:37 No.103953874
>>103953810
>Ray tracing also improves hit detection, distinguishing materials like metal and leather
What dumbass wrote this? Games have always been able to do this. That's not ray tracing.
>Ray tracing also improves hit detection, distinguishing materials like metal and leather
What dumbass wrote this? Games have always been able to do this. That's not ray tracing.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:22:20 No.103953898
people in pcbg who own the PG32UCDM can you tell me if you turn pixel reminder off in oled care what/if the time for a forced refresh is? does it force a pixel refresh ever 8 hours or 16 ? or never?
postin while I search for the answer in the meantime
postin while I search for the answer in the meantime
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:32:46 No.103953984
>>103953810
Indiana Jones already forces RT and uses same IDtech engine. It runs better on 6700xt than 4060ti.
Indiana Jones already forces RT and uses same IDtech engine. It runs better on 6700xt than 4060ti.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:36:43 No.103954023
>According to a recent article from El Chapuzas Informático, NVIDIA’s upcoming RTX 50 series GPUs will not only be released in limited quantities but will also include built-in restrictions on certain functionalities. These include reduced performance for AI workloads, cryptocurrency mining, and the use of multiple GPUs in the same setup.
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2025/01/nvidia-rtx-50-limitadas-tiendas-capadas-ia-criptomineria-multi-gpu/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:40:45 No.103954046
>>103954023
El Ogros De Las Americas..
El Ogros De Las Americas..
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:44:14 No.103954068
>>103954023
>noname site citing a chinese noname site talking about a 5090D
you've outdone yourself this time
>noname site citing a chinese noname site talking about a 5090D
you've outdone yourself this time
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:46:21 No.103954095
>>103953763
>Poorfag here, I need to upgrade my CPU (i5-6400) and I can either get a used i7-6700k or a new i3-12100F for about $70. Is it worth getting 12100f and a new motherboard or should I just get a used one and save on a motherboard?
How much DDR4 RAM do you already have that can be re-used?
You're looking at an extra $70-100 for a budget LGA1700 board in exchange for an extra 15% gaming performance and 30% higher app performance with the 12100F over the 6700K.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i3-12100f/23.html
I'd probably either go with the 6700K CPU-Only or save up a bit more to make a substantial CPU upgrade if I were going to have to purchase a new board to make it worth it. Depends on your workloads and how threaded they are, but I will say the i5 6 & 10-core SKUs are available for $111-145 which isn't that much more for a big leap in performance over the i3 quad-core:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQNxFT/intel-core-i5-12400f-25-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512400f
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tk8bt6/intel-core-i5-12600kf-37-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512600kf
>Poorfag here, I need to upgrade my CPU (i5-6400) and I can either get a used i7-6700k or a new i3-12100F for about $70. Is it worth getting 12100f and a new motherboard or should I just get a used one and save on a motherboard?
How much DDR4 RAM do you already have that can be re-used?
You're looking at an extra $70-100 for a budget LGA1700 board in exchange for an extra 15% gaming performance and 30% higher app performance with the 12100F over the 6700K.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/
I'd probably either go with the 6700K CPU-Only or save up a bit more to make a substantial CPU upgrade if I were going to have to purchase a new board to make it worth it. Depends on your workloads and how threaded they are, but I will say the i5 6 & 10-core SKUs are available for $111-145 which isn't that much more for a big leap in performance over the i3 quad-core:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pQ
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tk
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)06:48:05 No.103954107
>>103954068
What if I told you it applies to the whole Geforce stack to get you to buy Nvidias overpriced "Compute" versions instead of you buying consumer RTX for datacenters.
What if I told you it applies to the whole Geforce stack to get you to buy Nvidias overpriced "Compute" versions instead of you buying consumer RTX for datacenters.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:00:35 No.103954172
>>103954023
That's only for the 5090D
Its literally a LHR 5090 but otherwise equal in terms of cores (21760) to the 5090. Clocks/power are gimped though afaik
That's only for the 5090D
Its literally a LHR 5090 but otherwise equal in terms of cores (21760) to the 5090. Clocks/power are gimped though afaik
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:02:01 No.103954178
>>103953763
buy a ryzen combo off aliexpress (3600+b450)
buy a ryzen combo off aliexpress (3600+b450)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:12:25 No.103954238
>>103954107
tellin aint provin
tellin aint provin
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:26:46 No.103954315
8 pin CPU and PCIE Sockets are interchangeable on corsair PSUs.
But they still write like 2 CPU + 4 PCIe slots on their product page. Can I just buy another eps cable and use it?
But they still write like 2 CPU + 4 PCIe slots on their product page. Can I just buy another eps cable and use it?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:27:38 No.103954321
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:31:01 No.103954337
Why are you building a new PC to play games whose developers hate you?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:34:32 No.103954368
>>103954315
They might be the same on the PSU side but an EPS cable won't (shouldn't) fit in a PCIe device.
https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/power_supply/pci-express-pcie-8pin-power/
https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/connectors/power_supply/eps12v-eatx12v-8-pin/
Note the different locations of the notched pins.
They might be the same on the PSU side but an EPS cable won't (shouldn't) fit in a PCIe device.
https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/conn
https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/conn
Note the different locations of the notched pins.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:46:39 No.103954438
>>103954418
What is it you're looking to do here? Because yes you can use the /PSU-side/ PCIe/EPS connectors for either one but the device connectors need to match up.
What is it you're looking to do here? Because yes you can use the /PSU-side/ PCIe/EPS connectors for either one but the device connectors need to match up.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:50:09 No.103954453
>>103953763
i3-12100f is superior in every way
i3-12100f is superior in every way
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:51:50 No.103954464
>>103954438
I looking to potentially use 3 EPS connectors on a Corsair PSU where all sites say it can only support less than that, even though there are like 6 sockets on the PSU that match. Maybe they say that because it only comes with one or two eps cables.
I looking to potentially use 3 EPS connectors on a Corsair PSU where all sites say it can only support less than that, even though there are like 6 sockets on the PSU that match. Maybe they say that because it only comes with one or two eps cables.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:57:13 No.103954500
>>103954321
The things are worse than I thought this is if true.
The things are worse than I thought this is if true.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)07:58:07 No.103954506
>>103954464
Okay yeah should be no problem. You just need a cable with the right pinouts - EPS on one side and the appropriate Corsair one on the PSU side. Corsair is pretty good with documentation so getting it right shouldn't be a problem.
Now I will say that 3x EPS is a crazy amount of power. Something like 900W if the board uses solid pins (which it will if it takes 3x 8-pins). That's dual socket server territory. If you need that much you should probably be looking at redundant industrial units over consumer ATX.
Okay yeah should be no problem. You just need a cable with the right pinouts - EPS on one side and the appropriate Corsair one on the PSU side. Corsair is pretty good with documentation so getting it right shouldn't be a problem.
Now I will say that 3x EPS is a crazy amount of power. Something like 900W if the board uses solid pins (which it will if it takes 3x 8-pins). That's dual socket server territory. If you need that much you should probably be looking at redundant industrial units over consumer ATX.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:00:15 No.103954515
So I've heard you need 27" for 1440p.
On a 24" screen at 1440p would fonts appear bigger or smaller than a 27" screening running 1440p?
On a 24" screen at 1440p would fonts appear bigger or smaller than a 27" screening running 1440p?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:03:03 No.103954528
>>103954321
is this good or bad for us?
is this good or bad for us?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:07:20 No.103954548
>>103954515
Smaller unless you scale your UI.
Smaller unless you scale your UI.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:08:50 No.103954554
>>103954515
Your fonts would appear smaller, yes. Mainstream (non-Apple) operating systems are designed around 90-110PPI for text clarity at normal viewing distance. Though it's all a balance of compromises - you can run 120PPI (1440p/24") just fine if you sit close to the screen or have particularly acute vision. Workarounds like scaling and magnification exist as well but naturally you shouldn't use them if you don't have to.
The other thing to consider is that good, by mainstream consumer standards, 24" 1440p monitors are rare. The market is mostly 60Hz office panels with some expensive scientific-type models thrown in. Few have high refresh, VRR, or other features that you probably want.
Your fonts would appear smaller, yes. Mainstream (non-Apple) operating systems are designed around 90-110PPI for text clarity at normal viewing distance. Though it's all a balance of compromises - you can run 120PPI (1440p/24") just fine if you sit close to the screen or have particularly acute vision. Workarounds like scaling and magnification exist as well but naturally you shouldn't use them if you don't have to.
The other thing to consider is that good, by mainstream consumer standards, 24" 1440p monitors are rare. The market is mostly 60Hz office panels with some expensive scientific-type models thrown in. Few have high refresh, VRR, or other features that you probably want.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:20:34 No.103954629
>>103954548
>>103954554
I prefer larger text by default, sticking with a 24-inch 1080p monitor is probably the best choice?
>>103954554
I prefer larger text by default, sticking with a 24-inch 1080p monitor is probably the best choice?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:25:55 No.103954657
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:26:43 No.103954661
>>103954023
Is 5090Dragon going to be that much cheaper? I really don't need all those disabled dogshit features
Is 5090Dragon going to be that much cheaper? I really don't need all those disabled dogshit features
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:26:50 No.103954664
>>103954629
I wouldn't buy a 1080p monitor in 2025 myself but yes you do want to stay in that 90-110 range (96 being the technical "standard"). That would mean 21-24" 1080p or 27-32" 1440p. Err on the larger side for bigger fonts.
If you don't game, there's also the option of running 27" 4k with 2x scaling. Gets you insane text clarity, and no fractional scaling artefacts, at the cost of real estate. Not for everyone but could be right for you if you work with text all the time.
I wouldn't buy a 1080p monitor in 2025 myself but yes you do want to stay in that 90-110 range (96 being the technical "standard"). That would mean 21-24" 1080p or 27-32" 1440p. Err on the larger side for bigger fonts.
If you don't game, there's also the option of running 27" 4k with 2x scaling. Gets you insane text clarity, and no fractional scaling artefacts, at the cost of real estate. Not for everyone but could be right for you if you work with text all the time.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:27:07 No.103954667
Will I regret buying an Asus mobo and GPU?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:30:40 No.103954689
>>103954664
>running 27" 4k with 2x scaling. Gets you insane text clarity, and no fractional scaling artefacts.
4k has no blurring?
>running 27" 4k with 2x scaling. Gets you insane text clarity, and no fractional scaling artefacts.
4k has no blurring?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:31:42 No.103954696
>>103954661
same price probably
same price probably
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:32:45 No.103954700
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:38:04 No.103954733
What's the price of the 9070 XT going to be like in the EU? 5070Ti being 1000+ and 5080 close to 1500 made me give up on nvidia
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:39:35 No.103954745
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:39:39 No.103954746
>>103954689
the negative effects of fractional scaling will be lesser with 4k, but still present
most programs its not an issue, some programs will have a slight blur like pic related
theres also some oddball programs like czkawka that the ui doesn't scale at all
the negative effects of fractional scaling will be lesser with 4k, but still present
most programs its not an issue, some programs will have a slight blur like pic related
theres also some oddball programs like czkawka that the ui doesn't scale at all
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:41:16 No.103954753
>>103954733
950 euros
950 euros
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:41:50 No.103954760
>>103954023
Oh shit I'm from Spain and I didn't expect this
Oh shit I'm from Spain and I didn't expect this
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:49:14 No.103954826
>>103954733
No one knows exactly but its last gen counterpart would be the 7800XT in terms of number of CUs, so you should expect a similar price
No one knows exactly but its last gen counterpart would be the 7800XT in terms of number of CUs, so you should expect a similar price
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:55:03 No.103954869
>>103954733
I'm guessing 600 + VAT and it will be $550 USD
I'm guessing 600 + VAT and it will be $550 USD
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)08:55:39 No.103954874
>>103954746
Tempted try for 27" 1440 with x2 scaling. kek
Tempted try for 27" 1440 with x2 scaling. kek
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:04:10 No.103954929
>>103954528
It’s stupid
It’s stupid
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:04:18 No.103954930
>>103954667
The most kino combo, the asus tax is there for a reason.
The most kino combo, the asus tax is there for a reason.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:07:32 No.103954957
>>103954874
Meant 27" 4k x2 scaling
Meant 27" 4k x2 scaling
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:13:59 No.103955001
Is it worth getting a gen5 ssd? For example the rocket 5 mentioned in the OP is wildly more expensive than the SN850X, like its 2TB costs more than the WD 4TB. The T705 seems a little bit more reasonable. But there are various drives on amazon labelled gen5 which are even cheaper. Is it a case of you get what you pay for, and I should either cough up or just stick to gen4?
>(be advised: Samsung+WD gen5 drives inbound)
Also worth waiting or not? My current SSD is a several years old gen3 (crucial P2) and only 1tb so I kinda want something better in the near future, but it's not that urgent.
>(be advised: Samsung+WD gen5 drives inbound)
Also worth waiting or not? My current SSD is a several years old gen3 (crucial P2) and only 1tb so I kinda want something better in the near future, but it's not that urgent.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:16:00 No.103955017
>>103953655
For like 2 days and then you've degraded the ring to the point of instability
For like 2 days and then you've degraded the ring to the point of instability
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:16:12 No.103955019
>>103955001
nah
nah
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:16:47 No.103955027
>>103955001
no, gen 4 is fine
no, gen 4 is fine
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:16:50 No.103955029
>>103955017
The only people who believe this hogwash hasn't owned an intel cpu in the last 5 years
The only people who believe this hogwash hasn't owned an intel cpu in the last 5 years
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:19:37 No.103955046
>>103954667
ASUS GPU has the overall higher build quality across all segments, you can check this in tech reviews /w tear down & component analysis (+ community-created comparison spreadsheets).
It's not worth paying the premium for most of the ASUS motherboards.
The only ASUS board I would buy @ MSRP is either their Apex XOC or their ROG ITX motherboard.
The rest of the ASUS/ROG boards don't stand out from the competition as much, they need to be significantly discounted.
>'Coil whine!'
It happens on practically every modern card at maximum loads, like my 4080 Super FE.
People who were on older entry/mid-tier cards just noticed it more because they never owned a card that drew as much current to boost as high as newer cards.
There are cases where the coil whine is objectively too loud to warrant an RMA, but this isn't isolated to ASUS cards.
Links below are samples of 4090 Gigabyte Gaming OC's, one of the most popular 4090, coilwhine owned by OCCT's creator.
https://www.ocbase.com/misc/coil.whine.mp3
https://www.ocbase.com/misc/coil.whine.two.tones.mp3
ASUS GPU has the overall higher build quality across all segments, you can check this in tech reviews /w tear down & component analysis (+ community-created comparison spreadsheets).
It's not worth paying the premium for most of the ASUS motherboards.
The only ASUS board I would buy @ MSRP is either their Apex XOC or their ROG ITX motherboard.
The rest of the ASUS/ROG boards don't stand out from the competition as much, they need to be significantly discounted.
>'Coil whine!'
It happens on practically every modern card at maximum loads, like my 4080 Super FE.
People who were on older entry/mid-tier cards just noticed it more because they never owned a card that drew as much current to boost as high as newer cards.
There are cases where the coil whine is objectively too loud to warrant an RMA, but this isn't isolated to ASUS cards.
Links below are samples of 4090 Gigabyte Gaming OC's, one of the most popular 4090, coilwhine owned by OCCT's creator.
https://www.ocbase.com/misc/coil.wh
https://www.ocbase.com/misc/coil.wh
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:23:36 No.103955075
>>103955029
The design limitation (i hesitate to call it a flaw since it only really crops up at impractical high current which also requires extraordinarily good cooling) only occurs on intel 13th and 14th gen. Intel engineers noted the ring was already being pushed hard by being used to deliver power on 12th gen but intel didn't listen and said MOAR COARS! MOAR CLOCKS!
I've owned intel cpus my whole life. I'm using a 14900k now. I only briefly ran 350 amps through it to test my liquid cooling, keeping it limited to 300 forever though.
The design limitation (i hesitate to call it a flaw since it only really crops up at impractical high current which also requires extraordinarily good cooling) only occurs on intel 13th and 14th gen. Intel engineers noted the ring was already being pushed hard by being used to deliver power on 12th gen but intel didn't listen and said MOAR COARS! MOAR CLOCKS!
I've owned intel cpus my whole life. I'm using a 14900k now. I only briefly ran 350 amps through it to test my liquid cooling, keeping it limited to 300 forever though.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:24:08 No.103955081
>>103954321
>>103954528
Elon is a narcissistic retard that will burn Intel to the ground.. which is a good thing because AMD will be left standing as the only competent company. Proceed.
>>103954528
Elon is a narcissistic retard that will burn Intel to the ground.. which is a good thing because AMD will be left standing as the only competent company. Proceed.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:25:30 No.103955093
>>103955046
My 4080 super asus proart runs as quiet as a corpse at full 320w load. Coil whine is luck of the draw not a guarantee
My 4080 super asus proart runs as quiet as a corpse at full 320w load. Coil whine is luck of the draw not a guarantee
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:29:30 No.103955121
>>103955093
>full 320w load
320W isn't full load.
Furmark is not full load. I'd even say Cyberpunk isn't full load.
Post your OC'd + UV'd performance results.
>full 320w load
320W isn't full load.
Furmark is not full load. I'd even say Cyberpunk isn't full load.
Post your OC'd + UV'd performance results.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:32:57 No.103955141
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:33:32 No.103955144
>>103954321
Oh great.
>GPU's are a monopoly
>Elon turns CPU's into a monopoly by being a retard and burning Intel to the ground
Oh great.
>GPU's are a monopoly
>Elon turns CPU's into a monopoly by being a retard and burning Intel to the ground
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:36:08 No.103955171
will there be a low profile 5060 12GB
or a low profile 5060 Ti 16GB
or a low profile 5060 Ti 16GB
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:36:14 No.103955173
>>103955001
consumer level there was barely any point going past sata SSD's. Anything faster than gen 3 is completely pointless at the consumer level.
consumer level there was barely any point going past sata SSD's. Anything faster than gen 3 is completely pointless at the consumer level.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:37:10 No.103955180
>>103955141
If your card isn't running RT loads above 2800MHz GPU core boost and at least 24Gbps effective memory bandwidth at 353W power draw, it's not running under full load.
I accept your concession.
If your card isn't running RT loads above 2800MHz GPU core boost and at least 24Gbps effective memory bandwidth at 353W power draw, it's not running under full load.
I accept your concession.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:37:31 No.103955182
>>103953335
use paint if you want black so badly
use paint if you want black so badly
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:37:50 No.103955187
>>103953240
>open fractal website
>tell them their shithouse case fans are grinding the bears or motor or some shit and it's loud AF you want replacements
wa la
>open fractal website
>tell them their shithouse case fans are grinding the bears or motor or some shit and it's loud AF you want replacements
wa la
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:39:09 No.103955199
>>103953240
The P14 max seems to be good bang for buck but it's hard to find comprehensive reviews for case fans.
The P14 max seems to be good bang for buck but it's hard to find comprehensive reviews for case fans.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:40:52 No.103955215
>>103955173
>3rd gen is fast enough
True and anything past 4th gen is actively deleterious. Needing a 10,000 rpm 2 15mm fan raping your ears or letting the thing cook itself. 4th gen remains the king. Nobody building today should be looking at anything higher than a 990 pro or sn850x. Gen 4 gives you future proof speeds (gen 3 is already more than enough today) without the dog shit tradeoffs.
>3rd gen is fast enough
True and anything past 4th gen is actively deleterious. Needing a 10,000 rpm 2 15mm fan raping your ears or letting the thing cook itself. 4th gen remains the king. Nobody building today should be looking at anything higher than a 990 pro or sn850x. Gen 4 gives you future proof speeds (gen 3 is already more than enough today) without the dog shit tradeoffs.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:41:08 No.103955219
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:41:47 No.103955223
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:44:02 No.103955237
>>103955171
there will be low profile 5060 cards, but I don't think there's going to be 12gb 5060's. at least for another year.
there will be low profile 5060 cards, but I don't think there's going to be 12gb 5060's. at least for another year.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:46:54 No.103955257
>>103951015
Personally I would go for curved, as I mentioned earlier it just feels nicer to look at the edges more straight-on than at an angle. For perspective I have an odyssey G7 which some people say has a very "aggressive" curve and I do like it.
Personally I would go for curved, as I mentioned earlier it just feels nicer to look at the edges more straight-on than at an angle. For perspective I have an odyssey G7 which some people say has a very "aggressive" curve and I do like it.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:47:54 No.103955267
Reasons to buy thermalright phantom spirit 120 SE like said in OP over cheaper (and apparently more famous) peerless assasin 120?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:47:54 No.103955268
>>103955173
Even for pure sequential loading speeds? Entering new cells in modded skyrim still takes 5-10 seconds for me at times
Even for pure sequential loading speeds? Entering new cells in modded skyrim still takes 5-10 seconds for me at times
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:50:37 No.103955282
>>103955267
newer and slightly better performing
newer and slightly better performing
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:50:41 No.103955283
Would you buy one of these if you were rich? I wouldn’t, they look ugly as fuck.
https://youtu.be/q45jxjne3BU?si=LZECIz7gZUBvjpe8
https://youtu.be/q45jxjne3BU?si=LZE
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:51:36 No.103955289
>>103955081
>we will have a monopoly and that is a good thing
Absolute zero fucking IQ take.
AMD is not some kind of saint that makes CPUs for the little man just for the sake of common good. If AMD gets a monopoly they'll have no reason not to become the nvidia of CPUs.
>we will have a monopoly and that is a good thing
Absolute zero fucking IQ take.
AMD is not some kind of saint that makes CPUs for the little man just for the sake of common good. If AMD gets a monopoly they'll have no reason not to become the nvidia of CPUs.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:51:43 No.103955293
>>103955268
That's your cpu decompressing shit most likely
That's your cpu decompressing shit most likely
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:52:31 No.103955301
>>103955283
nice tracking link
nice tracking link
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:52:48 No.103955303
>>103955293
Dang, that actually makes sense (it's pre-ryzen and I'll be upgrading it soon)
Gen 4 it is then
Dang, that actually makes sense (it's pre-ryzen and I'll be upgrading it soon)
Gen 4 it is then
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:53:19 No.103955307
>>103955289
I remember when amd launched the fx-9590 for like $900. Just an overclockes 8350 with a shitty oem aio. Lmao.
I remember when amd launched the fx-9590 for like $900. Just an overclockes 8350 with a shitty oem aio. Lmao.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:55:58 No.103955333
>>103955121
>>103955180
full load isnt necessary the worst case for coil whine. coil whine is at its worst when it pulses, which just so happens in RT/PT loads a lot and I've found that dying light 2 with ultra RT and DLSS quality/balance really brings out the worst coil whine in my 4090 gpus
>>103955180
full load isnt necessary the worst case for coil whine. coil whine is at its worst when it pulses, which just so happens in RT/PT loads a lot and I've found that dying light 2 with ultra RT and DLSS quality/balance really brings out the worst coil whine in my 4090 gpus
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:56:16 No.103955338
>>103955301
Track deez nuts nigga
Track deez nuts nigga
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:56:34 No.103955341
thinking of going from 32" 1440p to 38" 3840x1600
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:57:26 No.103955349
How do you guys do cable management outside of the computer? Are there any good tools to help with it?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:57:26 No.103955351
>>103955283
I'd only buy it if I was rich enough to get one as a novelty fully expecting to potentially shove it into some storage garage in my mansion and never really use it. Just to see what it's like (and in the off-chance I actually suddenly really like it).
If I wasn't so rich that the money spent on it meant nothing to me, I'd just build an ergo setup myself. I'm pretty sure you can do way better (and probably cheaper too). The only thing that might not be easily recreatable (without DIY/bespoke orders) would be the fully motorized chair but who the fuck needs that. Meanwhile you can for example get an actually seamless ultrawide monitor rather than the triple-screen meme with bezels and sharp angles in your fov
I'd only buy it if I was rich enough to get one as a novelty fully expecting to potentially shove it into some storage garage in my mansion and never really use it. Just to see what it's like (and in the off-chance I actually suddenly really like it).
If I wasn't so rich that the money spent on it meant nothing to me, I'd just build an ergo setup myself. I'm pretty sure you can do way better (and probably cheaper too). The only thing that might not be easily recreatable (without DIY/bespoke orders) would be the fully motorized chair but who the fuck needs that. Meanwhile you can for example get an actually seamless ultrawide monitor rather than the triple-screen meme with bezels and sharp angles in your fov
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:58:05 No.103955356
>>103955333
The coil whine worsens when the card needs a high current to sustain the highest possible GPU core clocks for that card.
The inductors are under more stress as more current flows through them.
Higher current load = worse coil whine. Period.
The coil whine worsens when the card needs a high current to sustain the highest possible GPU core clocks for that card.
The inductors are under more stress as more current flows through them.
Higher current load = worse coil whine. Period.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)09:59:15 No.103955362
>>103955289
In the grand scheme of things we need them to dominate in CPU so they can funnel money and men to the GPU side to fight the Nvidia empire, kinda like the Kaiserschlact
In the grand scheme of things we need them to dominate in CPU so they can funnel money and men to the GPU side to fight the Nvidia empire, kinda like the Kaiserschlact
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:00:38 No.103955378
>>103953874
>distinguishing materials like metal and leather
RT is substantially better in this regard
>>103955001
>Is it worth getting a gen5 ssd?
If you have to ask, no.
>>103953984
False
>>103955223
Speculation at best
>>103955081
>amd
>only competent company
Pick one. AMDrones running wild in /pcbg/ while I'm not posting. If that was sarcasm you need to differentiate yourself from the shitheads who infest /pcbg/
>distinguishing materials like metal and leather
RT is substantially better in this regard
>>103955001
>Is it worth getting a gen5 ssd?
If you have to ask, no.
>>103953984
False
>>103955223
Speculation at best
>>103955081
>amd
>only competent company
Pick one. AMDrones running wild in /pcbg/ while I'm not posting. If that was sarcasm you need to differentiate yourself from the shitheads who infest /pcbg/
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:02:15 No.103955392
>>103955378
To play double's advocate for that anon
>game designed from the ground up to be played with RT has subpar non-RT materials
I'm sure it should be possible to find better examples of metal and leather rendering in non-RT games, when the devs actually cared to fine-tune them rather than expecting users to just enable RT
To play double's advocate for that anon
>game designed from the ground up to be played with RT has subpar non-RT materials
I'm sure it should be possible to find better examples of metal and leather rendering in non-RT games, when the devs actually cared to fine-tune them rather than expecting users to just enable RT
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:02:59 No.103955396
>>103953810
>distinguishing materials like metal and leather
Indiana Jones had the same benefit from full RT
>distinguishing materials like metal and leather
Indiana Jones had the same benefit from full RT
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:04:27 No.103955410
>>103955396
Honestly, I can’t see a single difference between both images.
Honestly, I can’t see a single difference between both images.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:05:28 No.103955424
>>103955410
The framerate is 80% lower on the right
The framerate is 80% lower on the right
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:05:52 No.103955430
>>103955356
Furmark's full load is very consistent unlike the full load of RT games so its audibly much quieter. Try it for yourself, portal RTX is pretty bad for coil whine too iirc
Furmark's full load is very consistent unlike the full load of RT games so its audibly much quieter. Try it for yourself, portal RTX is pretty bad for coil whine too iirc
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:08:26 No.103955453
Holy shit, I didn’t know Linus was this fucking based, he one of us:
https://youtu.be/5SfySmq20Dk?si=jWzf0zTYV6U3SbAe
https://youtu.be/5SfySmq20Dk?si=jWz
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:09:31 No.103955461
>>103953460
>I don't think there's a single game out there that you couldn't dial in to 100+ FPS with good visuals on that rig
>6800 xt
Moronic. You can pretty much pick any UE5 game at random and this won't be the case. Plus you've got games like pic related where Radeon has a crippling CPU limit even with a 9800X3D
>>103953433
The 7600X is already stronger than the 6800 XT overall. No reason to upgrade CPU for general gaming. There might be some specific game where you need a stronger CPU to try to overcome Radeon's driver overhead
>>103955410
>floating rock
>all materials look samey
>more less on center of fan because of increased light bounce
One of the benefits of PC is scaling, so if you want the game too look like you're playing it on Xbox, you can run it that way
>I don't think there's a single game out there that you couldn't dial in to 100+ FPS with good visuals on that rig
>6800 xt
Moronic. You can pretty much pick any UE5 game at random and this won't be the case. Plus you've got games like pic related where Radeon has a crippling CPU limit even with a 9800X3D
>>103953433
The 7600X is already stronger than the 6800 XT overall. No reason to upgrade CPU for general gaming. There might be some specific game where you need a stronger CPU to try to overcome Radeon's driver overhead
>>103955410
>floating rock
>all materials look samey
>more less on center of fan because of increased light bounce
One of the benefits of PC is scaling, so if you want the game too look like you're playing it on Xbox, you can run it that way
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:11:08 No.103955473
>>103955461
Don't play badly made garbage?
Don't play badly made garbage?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:11:22 No.103955474
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:13:52 No.103955495
>>103955473
More like don't buy crippled conslow trash to play on PC
More like don't buy crippled conslow trash to play on PC
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:14:37 No.103955504
The new Nvidia cards are looking like a total joke. Predictable but I'm still disappointed somehow.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:16:21 No.103955517
>>103955474
Track deez nuts
Track deez nuts
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:17:55 No.103955533
>>103955362
I strongly disagree. They're already more or less superior in the CPU market; Intel is struggling to keep up. IMO it's keeping up just enough to keep up the pressure and not let AMD just become complacent and stop improving, but AMD has gained a huge amount of marketshare in recent years, in all sectors from enthusiast to HEDT to servers/HPC. Hasn't helped them in the GPU division at all so far.
Also, the Ryzen breakthrough was born when AMD was at its lowest. The fact that Intel had over an order of magnitude (or more) more money than AMD didn't stop AMD from suddenly coming out with a product that beat Intel, and has kept up and continued beating Intel since then. Meanwhile Intel's complacency in its top spot led to it falling off completely. There's no reason AMD can't pull off a similar GPU comeback right now, and at the same time even if AMD did get infinite money, there's still no certainty that they would.
There's rumours that UDNA might save the day. If it does, there's the potential for it to be Ryzen-like. If it doesn't, I don't think having an extra money printer would help.
I strongly disagree. They're already more or less superior in the CPU market; Intel is struggling to keep up. IMO it's keeping up just enough to keep up the pressure and not let AMD just become complacent and stop improving, but AMD has gained a huge amount of marketshare in recent years, in all sectors from enthusiast to HEDT to servers/HPC. Hasn't helped them in the GPU division at all so far.
Also, the Ryzen breakthrough was born when AMD was at its lowest. The fact that Intel had over an order of magnitude (or more) more money than AMD didn't stop AMD from suddenly coming out with a product that beat Intel, and has kept up and continued beating Intel since then. Meanwhile Intel's complacency in its top spot led to it falling off completely. There's no reason AMD can't pull off a similar GPU comeback right now, and at the same time even if AMD did get infinite money, there's still no certainty that they would.
There's rumours that UDNA might save the day. If it does, there's the potential for it to be Ryzen-like. If it doesn't, I don't think having an extra money printer would help.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:18:11 No.103955535
>>103955430
Furmark full load consistently downclocks the GPU core boost of modern cards.
And you don’t understand the physics behind coil whine.
More current passing through the inductors, the higher current produces stronger magnetic fields, which vibrates the coils more intensely.
The inductors don’t give a shit if it’s an RT or full raster game, the GPU just needs to be asking the most current its vBIOS permits.
Overclock your card with max power limit and try to set a personal best result on TimeSpy, you’re going to get coil whine on the card.
Stop trying to argue the physics behind this phenomenon.
>TimeSpy isn’t full GPU load!
The test allows you to set even higher core boost clocks than RT games or test, some cards can boost over +100MHz higher comprrd to RT loads.
It’s going to stress the inductors just fine.
Furmark full load consistently downclocks the GPU core boost of modern cards.
And you don’t understand the physics behind coil whine.
More current passing through the inductors, the higher current produces stronger magnetic fields, which vibrates the coils more intensely.
The inductors don’t give a shit if it’s an RT or full raster game, the GPU just needs to be asking the most current its vBIOS permits.
Overclock your card with max power limit and try to set a personal best result on TimeSpy, you’re going to get coil whine on the card.
Stop trying to argue the physics behind this phenomenon.
>TimeSpy isn’t full GPU load!
The test allows you to set even higher core boost clocks than RT games or test, some cards can boost over +100MHz higher comprrd to RT loads.
It’s going to stress the inductors just fine.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:18:23 No.103955539
>>103955504
t. poorfag
t. poorfag
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:19:41 No.103955556
>>103954746
is that seriously the entire problem with fractional scaling everybody complains about?
is that seriously the entire problem with fractional scaling everybody complains about?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:21:13 No.103955576
>>103955535
Your post is pure dunning kruger
Your post is pure dunning kruger
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:21:29 No.103955581
>>103955349
>>103955349
>>103955349
>>103955349
>>103955349
>>103955349
FUCKING ANSWER ME YOU RETARD SUBHUMAN DIPSHITS
>>103955349
>>103955349
>>103955349
>>103955349
>>103955349
FUCKING ANSWER ME YOU RETARD SUBHUMAN DIPSHITS
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:22:41 No.103955593
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:23:34 No.103955601
Since new gpus seem unable to run modern games without faking it till they (don't)make it, do you guys think that multiple gpus running in parallel will become a viable strategy to run games and sell gpus again?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:24:26 No.103955610
>>103955576
>’ Electromagnetically induced acoustic noise (and vibration), electromagnetically excited acoustic noise, or more commonly known as coil whine, is audible sound directly produced by materials vibrating under the excitation of electromagnetic forces.’
>’coil whine, is audible sound directly produced by materials vibrating under the excitation of electromagnetic forces.’
Higher current flowing through the inductors strengthens the electromagnetic forces, which results in stronger vibrations.
I accept your concession.
>’ Electromagnetically induced acoustic noise (and vibration), electromagnetically excited acoustic noise, or more commonly known as coil whine, is audible sound directly produced by materials vibrating under the excitation of electromagnetic forces.’
>’coil whine, is audible sound directly produced by materials vibrating under the excitation of electromagnetic forces.’
Higher current flowing through the inductors strengthens the electromagnetic forces, which results in stronger vibrations.
I accept your concession.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:25:09 No.103955617
>>103955581
use cable boxes, underdesk trays, clips and velcro sleeving.
use cable boxes, underdesk trays, clips and velcro sleeving.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:25:19 No.103955618
>>103955601
no because they realized that developers don't care about performance and never implemented SLI/crossfire even when they had the chance to
no because they realized that developers don't care about performance and never implemented SLI/crossfire even when they had the chance to
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:26:10 No.103955630
>>103955601
No.
No.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:27:44 No.103955642
>>103955504
My expectations were low and the improvements were still lower. I was expecting around a 25% base improvement from the 4080 to 5080, and it'll probably be less than that except maybe in PT. The 5070 is looking to be around a 4070 Super (excluding MFG of course) for $50 less, which is a paltry discount after a year, worse value improvement than the 4070 --> 4070 Super. This of course happened because the manufacturing process at TSMC hasn't improved substantially. RX 60 will likely be a more typical generational improvement, but who knows what kind of pricing Nvidia will slap on those cards, and of course they're two years out.
The cool stuff this gen is related to neural rendering, but who knows when we'll really see neural shaders etc come out
>>103955539
The 5090 will probably be around 30% better than the 4090, which is pretty weak gen over gen. 3090 Ti to 4090 was 40% in base raster, higher in demanding RT workloads. 4070 brought 3080 perf from a street price of over $1000 to $600 and added 2 GB more VRAM. If we go back farther, the 3070 brought 2080 Ti perf from a street price of $1100 down to an MSRP of $500.
>>103955601
No and raster is the fakest shit around
My expectations were low and the improvements were still lower. I was expecting around a 25% base improvement from the 4080 to 5080, and it'll probably be less than that except maybe in PT. The 5070 is looking to be around a 4070 Super (excluding MFG of course) for $50 less, which is a paltry discount after a year, worse value improvement than the 4070 --> 4070 Super. This of course happened because the manufacturing process at TSMC hasn't improved substantially. RX 60 will likely be a more typical generational improvement, but who knows what kind of pricing Nvidia will slap on those cards, and of course they're two years out.
The cool stuff this gen is related to neural rendering, but who knows when we'll really see neural shaders etc come out
>>103955539
The 5090 will probably be around 30% better than the 4090, which is pretty weak gen over gen. 3090 Ti to 4090 was 40% in base raster, higher in demanding RT workloads. 4070 brought 3080 perf from a street price of over $1000 to $600 and added 2 GB more VRAM. If we go back farther, the 3070 brought 2080 Ti perf from a street price of $1100 down to an MSRP of $500.
>>103955601
No and raster is the fakest shit around
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:28:21 No.103955647
>>103955618
Games won't start running better until they get so bad nobody is buying them anymore and then maybe the gaming bubble will pop like it did in the 80s or 90s when millions of copies of ET ended up in a landfill. And like a wildfire actually good things can spring from the ashes of nonwhite/incompetent devs and badly run corpos
Games won't start running better until they get so bad nobody is buying them anymore and then maybe the gaming bubble will pop like it did in the 80s or 90s when millions of copies of ET ended up in a landfill. And like a wildfire actually good things can spring from the ashes of nonwhite/incompetent devs and badly run corpos
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:28:52 No.103955657
>>103955610
You're only covering the amplitude of waves but are totally discounting the effect or varying amplitude contributing to more annoying sounding coil whine. The same principle affects core overclocking stress testing where noiser loads = more transient voltage events = better stress test. It applies 1:1 with coil whine except more varying whine = more annoying to the ears.
You can keep your concession for yourself bud
You're only covering the amplitude of waves but are totally discounting the effect or varying amplitude contributing to more annoying sounding coil whine. The same principle affects core overclocking stress testing where noiser loads = more transient voltage events = better stress test. It applies 1:1 with coil whine except more varying whine = more annoying to the ears.
You can keep your concession for yourself bud
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:29:15 No.103955662
https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-geforce-rtx-5080-and-rtx-5090-pricing-emerges-made-for-gamers-with-deep-pockets
>those prices
guess i will stick with my 4090
>those prices
guess i will stick with my 4090
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:30:11 No.103955677
>>103955618
>>103955630
It would be a great strategy for AMD.
>Our "flagship" can't match X090 but in put two of them in CROSSFIREX v2.0 and they will be only 20% below it for 75% the cost!!
>>103955642
>No and raster is the fakest shit around
Lmao
>>103955630
It would be a great strategy for AMD.
>Our "flagship" can't match X090 but in put two of them in CROSSFIREX v2.0 and they will be only 20% below it for 75% the cost!!
>>103955642
>No and raster is the fakest shit around
Lmao
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:30:49 No.103955686
>>103955647
that already exists. they're called indie games. AAA games are dead, because they put so much effort into graphics over gameplay that there's simply no selling point to them anymore. they suck, period.
that already exists. they're called indie games. AAA games are dead, because they put so much effort into graphics over gameplay that there's simply no selling point to them anymore. they suck, period.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:30:53 No.103955688
Should I get a used 4090 for 1300€? It has 9 months of manufacturer warranty left. Considering because I doubt the 5080 will beat it in raster and costs roughly 1300€ in my country anyway. Also I'm not paying more than 1000€ for a 16GB card.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:30:53 No.103955689
>>103955642
>The 5090 will probably be around 30% better than the 4090, which is pretty weak gen over gen. 3090 Ti to 4090 was 40% in base raster
Huge jumps don't happen all that often. 30% between flagships is a pretty standard improvement. We're still on 4nm get ready to cry when 3nm is used and you're paying $3.5k for a 70% uplift
>The 5090 will probably be around 30% better than the 4090, which is pretty weak gen over gen. 3090 Ti to 4090 was 40% in base raster
Huge jumps don't happen all that often. 30% between flagships is a pretty standard improvement. We're still on 4nm get ready to cry when 3nm is used and you're paying $3.5k for a 70% uplift
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:32:12 No.103955706
thinking of my first time upgrading my pc basically completly plus monitor but that will come after i have my rig complete, and also im from the euw so the 7800x3d is batshit expensive rn in comparison
my goal ist to play comfortably any singleplayer game atleast 144fps would be great even if only at high settings and any multiplayer at atleast 60fps with no stuttering at all
currently have
>Ryzen 5 2600
>GTX 1060
>16gb but for some reason only 8gb working, already tried to fix through bios and checked hardware but that lead to problem with booting which i already had for 1 year
so from here on im thinking of getting:
>Ryzen 7 7800x3D + cooler
>a gpu which is powerful enough to match with the ryzen
>probably going for the B850 Steelrock as i have heard alot of good things about it and spending 50€
>already got
> 2x16gb DDR5 6000 CL30 for 90 bucks
>1x 2tb NVMe SSD
>my current 500watt ps be quite
>a case, though als thinking of getting something diffrent but thats for last
anything that im missing?
when will prices hopefully go down for the ryzen 7 7800x3d cause 500€ rn is too much for my preference when it was 350€ last year. am too greedy for that
and since the new gpus are coming in the near future i should wait there also right?
my goal ist to play comfortably any singleplayer game atleast 144fps would be great even if only at high settings and any multiplayer at atleast 60fps with no stuttering at all
currently have
>Ryzen 5 2600
>GTX 1060
>16gb but for some reason only 8gb working, already tried to fix through bios and checked hardware but that lead to problem with booting which i already had for 1 year
so from here on im thinking of getting:
>Ryzen 7 7800x3D + cooler
>a gpu which is powerful enough to match with the ryzen
>probably going for the B850 Steelrock as i have heard alot of good things about it and spending 50€
>already got
> 2x16gb DDR5 6000 CL30 for 90 bucks
>1x 2tb NVMe SSD
>my current 500watt ps be quite
>a case, though als thinking of getting something diffrent but thats for last
anything that im missing?
when will prices hopefully go down for the ryzen 7 7800x3d cause 500€ rn is too much for my preference when it was 350€ last year. am too greedy for that
and since the new gpus are coming in the near future i should wait there also right?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:32:31 No.103955711
>>103955686
Indie games soon to follow if they keep using lazy copy assets from store and paste on ue5 with no optimization. They may as well go back to rpg maker if they only want to focus on gameplay cause this shit is not meant for them.
Indie games soon to follow if they keep using lazy copy assets from store and paste on ue5 with no optimization. They may as well go back to rpg maker if they only want to focus on gameplay cause this shit is not meant for them.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:34:02 No.103955728
>>103955289
As opposed to Intel's reign of terror? They had their run and are crumbling at the moment. Go back to tel aviv and tell your masters it's over.
As opposed to Intel's reign of terror? They had their run and are crumbling at the moment. Go back to tel aviv and tell your masters it's over.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:34:48 No.103955735
>>103955728
All corporations do the same thing when dominant. Graduate from high school, enter the workforce, then come back.
All corporations do the same thing when dominant. Graduate from high school, enter the workforce, then come back.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:35:13 No.103955739
>>103955657
>You're only covering the amplitude of waves but are totally discounting the effect or varying amplitude contributing to more annoying sounding coil whine.
Each frame in games and even ancient gaming benchmarks have variations in rendering requirements that will expose those "varying amplitude" of the inductors.
Your post is the one that's pure dunning kruger.
>You're only covering the amplitude of waves but are totally discounting the effect or varying amplitude contributing to more annoying sounding coil whine.
Each frame in games and even ancient gaming benchmarks have variations in rendering requirements that will expose those "varying amplitude" of the inductors.
Your post is the one that's pure dunning kruger.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:35:37 No.103955743
>>103955556
I think most people are talking about games and lower resolutions than 4k
in the times before good scaling techniques like dlss, running a game at 1080p on a 1440p monitor looks way worse than 1080p native
I think most people are talking about games and lower resolutions than 4k
in the times before good scaling techniques like dlss, running a game at 1080p on a 1440p monitor looks way worse than 1080p native
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:38:05 No.103955763
Is the Bequiet Silent Base 800 a good case?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:38:37 No.103955768
>>103955735
So? Intel is over, it's AMDs turn now.
So? Intel is over, it's AMDs turn now.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:39:00 No.103955772
>>103955763
800? It was decent but that was 10 years ago.
800? It was decent but that was 10 years ago.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:39:40 No.103955775
>>103955677
If they did this they'd just make a dual-die card, like the old gtx690 from nvidia.
>you can buy our single-die flagship for 50% of the cost and 60% of the performance, or our dual-die extra flagship xXTXx for 80% of the cost and 90% of the performance!
If they did this they'd just make a dual-die card, like the old gtx690 from nvidia.
>you can buy our single-die flagship for 50% of the cost and 60% of the performance, or our dual-die extra flagship xXTXx for 80% of the cost and 90% of the performance!
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:40:43 No.103955785
>>103955728
Yes, as opposed to Intel's reign of terror.
>Intel has monopoly, things are bad
>AMD catches up, nobody has monopoly, things are good
>somehow this means AMD must have a monopoly now
I don't want to return to the days of Intel monpoly except with a different brand stamp on it now.
Yes, as opposed to Intel's reign of terror.
>Intel has monopoly, things are bad
>AMD catches up, nobody has monopoly, things are good
>somehow this means AMD must have a monopoly now
I don't want to return to the days of Intel monpoly except with a different brand stamp on it now.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:41:21 No.103955790
>AMD marketing in 2025
It's an abstract kind of thing.
It's an abstract kind of thing.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:41:52 No.103955794
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:42:57 No.103955804
>>103955790
My theory is the cards don't actually exist and where about to witness a ponzi scheme collapse
My theory is the cards don't actually exist and where about to witness a ponzi scheme collapse
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:43:05 No.103955808
>>103955677
Raja Poodori tried sell the RX 480 using that that idea on stage
>>103955688
>It has 9 months of manufacturer warranty left.
Doesn't seem like a horrible deal if you'll actually be able to use that warranty if something goes wrong
>>103955706
>no stuttering at all
Impossible with modern games. Even though shader stutter is mostly gone on new games, going from one area to the next often produces repeatable asset loading stutter
If you can, I would suggest waiting until after X3D prices stabilize, sometime after the initial rush on RTX 50. You're not going to see a notable improvement in gaming anyway with a 7800X3D, as you're GPU limited. I would recommend pooling your money and buying all at once unless you see an deal that's too good to pass up (such as on a case you want)
>>103955785
As soon as AMD took the gaming lead with the 5600X, it released a six core processor for like $300, basically challenging Intel to see who could jew customers best
Raja Poodori tried sell the RX 480 using that that idea on stage
>>103955688
>It has 9 months of manufacturer warranty left.
Doesn't seem like a horrible deal if you'll actually be able to use that warranty if something goes wrong
>>103955706
>no stuttering at all
Impossible with modern games. Even though shader stutter is mostly gone on new games, going from one area to the next often produces repeatable asset loading stutter
If you can, I would suggest waiting until after X3D prices stabilize, sometime after the initial rush on RTX 50. You're not going to see a notable improvement in gaming anyway with a 7800X3D, as you're GPU limited. I would recommend pooling your money and buying all at once unless you see an deal that's too good to pass up (such as on a case you want)
>>103955785
As soon as AMD took the gaming lead with the 5600X, it released a six core processor for like $300, basically challenging Intel to see who could jew customers best
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:43:49 No.103955814
>>103955804
So you are saying that companies are just shilling fancy coolers with nothing inside? Like all of them?
So you are saying that companies are just shilling fancy coolers with nothing inside? Like all of them?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:44:05 No.103955817
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:44:23 No.103955821
I'm really eager for the AMD GPU reviews rumored to come out next week. I picked up a 7900 XTX because I could, but my monitor is only 1440p. I'm still in the return window, though, so if I can get the 9070XT for like $300 (or more) cheaper and only get slightly worse performance at 1440p, it'll be well worth it.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:45:17 No.103955827
>>103955046
>>103955093
My 4080 super quit coil whining when I put a waterblock on it.
I guess it helps that every single inductor has a thermal pad on it.
>>103955093
My 4080 super quit coil whining when I put a waterblock on it.
I guess it helps that every single inductor has a thermal pad on it.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:45:41 No.103955831
>>103955817
>muh gltch
It'll probably be gone once RTX Hair gets added
If you're not careful I'll find a raster glitch, and then you won't be able to use raster to play games anymore
>muh gltch
It'll probably be gone once RTX Hair gets added
If you're not careful I'll find a raster glitch, and then you won't be able to use raster to play games anymore
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:46:25 No.103955838
>>103955808
>Impossible with modern games
yes but still cant even play cs or fortnite without getting interruptions when encoutering an enemy
>Impossible with modern games
yes but still cant even play cs or fortnite without getting interruptions when encoutering an enemy
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:49:46 No.103955863
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:50:24 No.103955870
>>103955775
Lel remember the r9 295x2? Maybe they could do something like it again with RDNA4 and HBM memory. I would probably buy it just for the novelty.
Lel remember the r9 295x2? Maybe they could do something like it again with RDNA4 and HBM memory. I would probably buy it just for the novelty.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:51:56 No.103955878
>>103955814
Yes the board partners believe that the card is just "delayed" and have been given a nonfunctioning chip and specs to build a card around but have so far been unable to test them .
Yes the board partners believe that the card is just "delayed" and have been given a nonfunctioning chip and specs to build a card around but have so far been unable to test them .
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:53:36 No.103955887
>>103955878
How can they design coolers around nonfunctioning chips? Is it all a sham and guesswork?
How can they design coolers around nonfunctioning chips? Is it all a sham and guesswork?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:55:37 No.103955902
>>103955887
they just gotta design it around the spec - nvidia historically told AIBs that the 4090 was a 600 watt part and then changed their mind last minute to 450, so AIBs shipped overbuilt models.
they just gotta design it around the spec - nvidia historically told AIBs that the 4090 was a 600 watt part and then changed their mind last minute to 450, so AIBs shipped overbuilt models.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:56:52 No.103955908
GPUs launch next week and outside of Nvidia's FE cards, we have no clue about pricing. So like 4 cards out of over 200 that will launch we know the prices of.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:56:59 No.103955910
5070i or 5080 for 1440p?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:58:45 No.103955918
>>103955887
AIBs are given engineering sample chips that are capable of generating maximum power draw to spec the card's power delivery & cooler.
AIBs are given engineering sample chips that are capable of generating maximum power draw to spec the card's power delivery & cooler.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:58:55 No.103955919
>>103955863
Your sour grapes are so strong that you immediately jump to the less than 10% of the video dedicated to issues to try to convince yourself that you don't want better overall image quality
>>103955910
Probably doesn't matter too much. Wait for reviews. If you're building new, probably the 5080, if you're just dropping in a new card, probably the 5070 Ti
Your sour grapes are so strong that you immediately jump to the less than 10% of the video dedicated to issues to try to convince yourself that you don't want better overall image quality
>>103955910
Probably doesn't matter too much. Wait for reviews. If you're building new, probably the 5080, if you're just dropping in a new card, probably the 5070 Ti
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)10:59:09 No.103955920
>>103955910
I DON'T KNOW
I DON'T KNOW
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT PERFORMANCE
WE DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL PRICES THEY'LL BE
WE DON'T KNOW THE AVAILABILITY
I CAN MAKE SHIT UP
HMMM I SAY THE 5070TI BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE THE SAME GPU SAME VRAM AND BE $750 LESS AND YOU WON'T HAVE MUCH LESS PERFORMANCE
IS THAT TRUE
I DON'T KNOW
I DON'T KNOW
I DON'T KNOW
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CLUE ABOUT PERFORMANCE
WE DON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL PRICES THEY'LL BE
WE DON'T KNOW THE AVAILABILITY
I CAN MAKE SHIT UP
HMMM I SAY THE 5070TI BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE THE SAME GPU SAME VRAM AND BE $750 LESS AND YOU WON'T HAVE MUCH LESS PERFORMANCE
IS THAT TRUE
I DON'T KNOW
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:00:13 No.103955928
>>103955910
I don’t think there will be a big difference, you can go for le best anyway, gap with a 5090 is gorillion times larger, KEK
I don’t think there will be a big difference, you can go for le best anyway, gap with a 5090 is gorillion times larger, KEK
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:00:26 No.103955931
>>103955772
What’s the best one these days?
What’s the best one these days?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:00:43 No.103955935
all i got from the 50s series is that it has basically the same performance but worse since its using ai slop which makes the gaming just straight up less plasant
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:01:12 No.103955938
>>103955931
do you want to air cool or AIO?
do you want to air cool or AIO?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:01:25 No.103955943
>>103955887
>Is it all a sham and guesswork?
All engineering is .
Thermal engineers don't even use real chips for a lot of testing but electric thermal blocks since they are much easier to control and thus better for testing .
Usually they would do tests with real chips at the end of design to confirm it actually works but that hasn't been possible since Lisa just keeps saying "2 more weeks"
>Is it all a sham and guesswork?
All engineering is .
Thermal engineers don't even use real chips for a lot of testing but electric thermal blocks since they are much easier to control and thus better for testing .
Usually they would do tests with real chips at the end of design to confirm it actually works but that hasn't been possible since Lisa just keeps saying "2 more weeks"
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:02:01 No.103955949
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:02:13 No.103955950
>>103955918
According to the other anon's theory they were given nothing but specs and no chips.
According to the other anon's theory they were given nothing but specs and no chips.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:02:24 No.103955951
>>103955887
>Is it all a sham and guesswork?
Yes
They get specs and try to design for that
they were told 4090 is 600W and every 4090 has an overbuilt cooler because of it
>Is it all a sham and guesswork?
Yes
They get specs and try to design for that
they were told 4090 is 600W and every 4090 has an overbuilt cooler because of it
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:04:13 No.103955955
>>103955950
Thermal spec and shape of chip is all you would need to design a cooler
Thermal spec and shape of chip is all you would need to design a cooler
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:05:33 No.103955962
>>103955950
There was an AIB's RDNA4 card running COD on CES.
The benchmark detected the hardware as "AMD RDNA4 Graphics".
The benchmark result is a sham because the game needed to be rebooted to apply some settings, but I trust the detected hardware.
It's far too late to not have a mass-production Nav48 GPU.
There was an AIB's RDNA4 card running COD on CES.
The benchmark detected the hardware as "AMD RDNA4 Graphics".
The benchmark result is a sham because the game needed to be rebooted to apply some settings, but I trust the detected hardware.
It's far too late to not have a mass-production Nav48 GPU.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:07:11 No.103955983
>>103955951
>when you tell your girl to be ready to leave at 5:30 because you need to walk out the door at 6:00
Everyone ends up happy
>>103955935
Base performance of all RTX 50 SKUs will be higher and/or cheaper
>when you tell your girl to be ready to leave at 5:30 because you need to walk out the door at 6:00
Everyone ends up happy
>>103955935
Base performance of all RTX 50 SKUs will be higher and/or cheaper
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:07:13 No.103955984
>>103955943
>>103955951
Hearing this makes my hair turn a bit more gray but it makes sense. Cards like the 7900xtx had problems both on reference and AIBs, with hotspots going crazy and whatnot. What a clownfest.
>>103955951
Hearing this makes my hair turn a bit more gray but it makes sense. Cards like the 7900xtx had problems both on reference and AIBs, with hotspots going crazy and whatnot. What a clownfest.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:07:36 No.103955989
>>103955962
This was probably just a nvidia card and modified OS to trick HW info
This was probably just a nvidia card and modified OS to trick HW info
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:08:26 No.103955994
>>103955989
And you're probably just retarded.
And you're probably just retarded.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:12:15 No.103956023
>>103953214
Why is this general always 90% retards and actual children?
Why is this general always 90% retards and actual children?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:12:22 No.103956029
>>103955989
nah just some tranny that doesn't understand how to apply settings
nah just some tranny that doesn't understand how to apply settings
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:15:42 No.103956063
>>103956029
Hideous. This post made me buy a 5070.
Hideous. This post made me buy a 5070.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:15:43 No.103956064
Okay geniuses so if RDNA4 actually exists why is AMD so scared to talk about it?
Why the insecurity?
Why the insecurity?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:15:49 No.103956065
Anything below 16 gb VRAM in 2025 is retarded. Even 16 gb is too low. Either nvidia releases a card version with 20/24 gb for below $1k or I skip one more gen
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:16:03 No.103956067
>>103955938
Air.
Air.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:16:48 No.103956074
>>103956064
Big brain youtubers say that they are waiting for nvidia to make a move first.
Big brain youtubers say that they are waiting for nvidia to make a move first.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:17:04 No.103956076
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:17:13 No.103956078
12GB 3060 is there a reason to upgrade?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:17:19 No.103956079
The two leading theories I've heard about RDNA4 so far:
>it doesn't exist so the specs don't matter
>they're giving them away for free so the prices don't matter
>it doesn't exist so the specs don't matter
>they're giving them away for free so the prices don't matter
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:17:43 No.103956081
>>103956074
That only made sense before Nvidas keynote
That only made sense before Nvidas keynote
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:18:24 No.103956088
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:18:50 No.103956091
>>103956081
No, not like that, a BIGGER move. The keynote was just marketing smokescreen. :)
No, not like that, a BIGGER move. The keynote was just marketing smokescreen. :)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:18:56 No.103956093
>>103956064
Radeon fucked up RDNA3 pricing and their executives publicly said they took the pricing/value criticism seriously.
But NVIDIA revealed a $550 5070 and $750 5070 Ti which was probably less than the Radeon businessmen expected. Not to mention the multi-frame generation thing.
They are probably trying to work out last-minute pricing changes with board partners and retailers.
Radeon fucked up RDNA3 pricing and their executives publicly said they took the pricing/value criticism seriously.
But NVIDIA revealed a $550 5070 and $750 5070 Ti which was probably less than the Radeon businessmen expected. Not to mention the multi-frame generation thing.
They are probably trying to work out last-minute pricing changes with board partners and retailers.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:19:24 No.103956097
just managed to get my hands on a 9800X3D, just slightly above MSRP from a 3rd party seller at our local nerd online marketplace
everything else (minus mobo) is on their way
>ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360
>FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
>Patriot Viper Venom DDR5 2x32GB 6000MHz CL30
wonder how much more FPS i can squeeze out from my 4090
im jumping from a 5800X
only puzzle piece that is missing now is the fucking mobo
i can't find the X870E Nova anywhere, not even at 3rd party sellers
everything else (minus mobo) is on their way
>ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360
>FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
>Patriot Viper Venom DDR5 2x32GB 6000MHz CL30
wonder how much more FPS i can squeeze out from my 4090
im jumping from a 5800X
only puzzle piece that is missing now is the fucking mobo
i can't find the X870E Nova anywhere, not even at 3rd party sellers
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:20:26 No.103956105
>>103956029
What's about Linux on your picture?
What's about Linux on your picture?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:20:42 No.103956107
>>103956067
fractal torrent, pop, focus or meshify depending on what design you like and price range you have.
fractal torrent, pop, focus or meshify depending on what design you like and price range you have.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:21:17 No.103956112
im losing my mind over here with every mouse i buy having a faulty scroll wheel that just does whatever the fuck it wants.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:21:32 No.103956116
>>103956105
The subject is transgender
The subject is transgender
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:21:38 No.103956118
Hey guys, check out my review for the performance of monster hunter wilds beta
https://youtu.be/khaMQF8uTvU?si=AW8XjYA4qsx90f91
https://youtu.be/khaMQF8uTvU?si=AW8
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:22:23 No.103956123
>>103956063
if ugly people buy amd shouldn't that inspire you to buy amd?
if ugly people buy amd shouldn't that inspire you to buy amd?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:22:40 No.103956128
>>103956107
What if I had said AIO?
What if I had said AIO?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:24:06 No.103956134
>>103956128
I would I have replied something rude and sexually demeaning
I would I have replied something rude and sexually demeaning
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:24:41 No.103956138
>decide it's finally time to upgrade my 8th gen intel
>no idea where to start
>everything some combination of out of stock, overpriced, plagued with awful reviews, or from random chinkshit brands
>upcoming gen of graphics cards are breaking $2,000 but have to rely on gimmicks like ai frame gen for marginally improved performance
>can't even find a comparable monitor to what i currently have from a brand i can pronounce that isn't sub $600
What happened?
>no idea where to start
>everything some combination of out of stock, overpriced, plagued with awful reviews, or from random chinkshit brands
>upcoming gen of graphics cards are breaking $2,000 but have to rely on gimmicks like ai frame gen for marginally improved performance
>can't even find a comparable monitor to what i currently have from a brand i can pronounce that isn't sub $600
What happened?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:25:05 No.103956143
>>103956116
I see. What I can't see tho is the Linux part. Was there a Linux machine on CES with CoD running on it?
I see. What I can't see tho is the Linux part. Was there a Linux machine on CES with CoD running on it?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:25:34 No.103956150
>>103956064
they are renaming them RX 9080 and RX 9080 xt to beat nvidia in bigger number better naming
they are renaming them RX 9080 and RX 9080 xt to beat nvidia in bigger number better naming
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:26:36 No.103956162
>>103956128
closed side panel Meshify 2
closed side panel Meshify 2
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:27:18 No.103956168
Rate my poverty mode build I cobbled together from ebay
Mobo: Msi b550-a pro @£30 (was missing the CPU backplate so I got it cheap with just a £10 backplate from amazon)
CPU:Ryzen 5 3600 @£48 (with cooler to maybe sell)
Cooler: Peerless Assassin 120se @£40
RAM: 2x8gb ddr4 3200mhz @£15
Case, PSU, GPU, Storage reused from current PC.
Total: £143/$174
Plan is to grab an NVME drive next month, and the idea is to buy a better CPU later on when AM4 finally crashes out (next Ryzen CPU gen maybe?), so I grabbed a better cooler now.
Was I retarded or are these good pickups for poorfags like me?
Mobo: Msi b550-a pro @£30 (was missing the CPU backplate so I got it cheap with just a £10 backplate from amazon)
CPU:Ryzen 5 3600 @£48 (with cooler to maybe sell)
Cooler: Peerless Assassin 120se @£40
RAM: 2x8gb ddr4 3200mhz @£15
Case, PSU, GPU, Storage reused from current PC.
Total: £143/$174
Plan is to grab an NVME drive next month, and the idea is to buy a better CPU later on when AM4 finally crashes out (next Ryzen CPU gen maybe?), so I grabbed a better cooler now.
Was I retarded or are these good pickups for poorfags like me?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:28:23 No.103956177
>RX
Do you need a prescription to get a new AMD card? Will my insurance cover it?
Do you need a prescription to get a new AMD card? Will my insurance cover it?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:28:46 No.103956182
>>103956138
most chinkshit is fine. processors are extremely easy to simple to understand. graphics cards today have enormously improved performance over anything from 2017, like they arent even comparable.
shit just costs more. but thats everything now, looked at the price of vehicles or homes lately?
most chinkshit is fine. processors are extremely easy to simple to understand. graphics cards today have enormously improved performance over anything from 2017, like they arent even comparable.
shit just costs more. but thats everything now, looked at the price of vehicles or homes lately?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:28:47 No.103956183
how to do see which motherboards are cudimm compatible
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:29:11 No.103956185
>>103956138
ditto. everything is extremely gay now. deciding on the monitor is the worst part. there's nowhere to see what this shit looks like in person.
ditto. everything is extremely gay now. deciding on the monitor is the worst part. there's nowhere to see what this shit looks like in person.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:29:36 No.103956187
turn it on
now
now
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:30:29 No.103956197
>>103956187
no it breaks shit
no it breaks shit
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:30:54 No.103956200
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:31:17 No.103956204
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-bumpy-launch-reportedly-linked-to-price-pressure-from-nvidia
lmao they were going to be 700$ plus
imagine that, nvidia actually undercutted amd when it came to princing, absolute kek
lmao they were going to be 700$ plus
imagine that, nvidia actually undercutted amd when it came to princing, absolute kek
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:31:25 No.103956207
>>103956138
>>can't even find a comparable monitor to what i currently have from a brand i can pronounce that isn't sub $600
Sorry, you WANT to pay more than $600 for a monitor? I feel like the monitor market is actually pretty good right now unless you want 1080p
>>can't even find a comparable monitor to what i currently have from a brand i can pronounce that isn't sub $600
Sorry, you WANT to pay more than $600 for a monitor? I feel like the monitor market is actually pretty good right now unless you want 1080p
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:32:34 No.103956215
>>103956168
i would drop the 3600 for a 5600 or even 5700
i would drop the 3600 for a 5600 or even 5700
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:32:41 No.103956216
>>103956204
ABN people don't care. they're going to turn this into a win for amd
ABN people don't care. they're going to turn this into a win for amd
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:32:52 No.103956218
>>103956207
No, am retarded. Pls understand.
No, am retarded. Pls understand.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:33:10 No.103956221
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:33:57 No.103956230
Why is 50 series coming out? It's still TSMC 4N. There won't be any gains.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:34:35 No.103956242
>>103956215
I couldn't get a 5600 or better for sub £80, but the longterm plan is that this CPU will be replaced in around 6 months. I'm currently using an i5 4690k so a 6core,12 thread cpu is basically alien tech to me.
I couldn't get a 5600 or better for sub £80, but the longterm plan is that this CPU will be replaced in around 6 months. I'm currently using an i5 4690k so a 6core,12 thread cpu is basically alien tech to me.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:35:09 No.103956250
>>103956204
>According to [Random Nobody] AMD COULD have set the price too high. -[Random Techblog Website]
>Posted on a website that does nothing but post horseshit rumors
fuck off
>According to [Random Nobody] AMD COULD have set the price too high. -[Random Techblog Website]
>Posted on a website that does nothing but post horseshit rumors
fuck off
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:35:46 No.103956255
>>103956204
Significantly? What? Didn't they say this generation was designed to be cheaper and a lower tier to get to a reasonable price range?
Significantly? What? Didn't they say this generation was designed to be cheaper and a lower tier to get to a reasonable price range?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:37:30 No.103956270
My dad is Lisa's cousin and he says the launch is delayed because AMD employees are in revolt over green superiority
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:39:19 No.103956290
The prices are outrageous, and it's largely to shoulder the massive cost of R&D for Ray Tracing for future cards. We're getting fucked.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:39:53 No.103956297
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:40:21 No.103956300
>>103956204
$549 5070 HAS FUCKED THEM IN THE ASS
$549 5070 HAS FUCKED THEM IN THE ASS
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:42:34 No.103956320
If they charge $2000 for a card that AI generates 75% of it's frames I'm going to Microcenter with 75% monopoly money.
That's still fucking $500 lol
That's still fucking $500 lol
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:43:18 No.103956327
Why do people say fake frames? Are there any difference between DLSS/FSR frames and native ones?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:43:49 No.103956331
>>103956187
>srgb creators-intent washed out color cuck enjoyer
back to the cuck cage, bucko
this should be turned off if you aren't gay
>>103954957
>looks gr8
>all web content is designed for 1080p browsing at best
>more cramped windows real estate due to 1080p
half the reason to go up from 1080p is just to not get a cramped windows ui tbqh
get a larger screen instead
>>103955556
looks like a blurry mess in some things you would be suprised
>srgb creators-intent washed out color cuck enjoyer
back to the cuck cage, bucko
this should be turned off if you aren't gay
>>103954957
>looks gr8
>all web content is designed for 1080p browsing at best
>more cramped windows real estate due to 1080p
half the reason to go up from 1080p is just to not get a cramped windows ui tbqh
get a larger screen instead
>>103955556
looks like a blurry mess in some things you would be suprised
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:43:56 No.103956332
>>103956255
They said they were going for marketshare but probably based it on Nvidia adding $200 on top of Ada prices so they could slide in by only adding $125
They said they were going for marketshare but probably based it on Nvidia adding $200 on top of Ada prices so they could slide in by only adding $125
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:44:20 No.103956337
>>103956327
Yeah, they look worse and make comparisons meaningless.
Yeah, they look worse and make comparisons meaningless.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:44:59 No.103956341
>>103956327
Nope
Nope
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:45:32 No.103956349
Why are graphics cards so expensive now?
A GeForce 2 MX costed $100 at launch and it played all games well even on 1024x768 which was the highest resolution anyone used.
A GeForce 2 MX costed $100 at launch and it played all games well even on 1024x768 which was the highest resolution anyone used.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:45:35 No.103956351
how far away should you be from a 27" monitor?
i tried using a 24" monitor and even that seemed way too big. my desk is 24" deep so I'm about 24" away from the screen.
i'm asking about 27" because they're the good ones now lol
am i just not used to it yet? i've been using a 11.6" laptop for a while.
i tried using a 24" monitor and even that seemed way too big. my desk is 24" deep so I'm about 24" away from the screen.
i'm asking about 27" because they're the good ones now lol
am i just not used to it yet? i've been using a 11.6" laptop for a while.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:46:31 No.103956355
>>103956331
I never had that issues on 1080 of crampness and first time im hearing about it t bh and why would I want empty space not used. Either I get a smaller size monitor or scale the bad boy up
I never had that issues on 1080 of crampness and first time im hearing about it t bh and why would I want empty space not used. Either I get a smaller size monitor or scale the bad boy up
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:46:33 No.103956356
>>103955817
what game is that
what game is that
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:46:34 No.103956357
>>103956351
I’m happy with my 25” 360Hz Alienware monitor, I don’t need more.
I’m happy with my 25” 360Hz Alienware monitor, I don’t need more.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:47:08 No.103956362
>>103956349
GF2 was dogshit and went outdated in like 2 years or less. I had one.
GF2 was dogshit and went outdated in like 2 years or less. I had one.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:47:44 No.103956366
>>103956349
because companies have to make increasing amounts of money to pay for increasing R&D which is needed to utilize better technology
you can make whatever argument you want about capitalism or inflation or whatever, but thats the core reason
because companies have to make increasing amounts of money to pay for increasing R&D which is needed to utilize better technology
you can make whatever argument you want about capitalism or inflation or whatever, but thats the core reason
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:47:50 No.103956367
>>103956327
They're fake in that no actual player input or game data was directly used to generate the frame. It's a fancy interpolation between two real frames
They're still "real" in that you still see the extra frames, majority of the time indistinguishable from real frames, and at high frame rates, the fake frames are on screen for such a short time, it's hard to notice any artifacts if there even are any in the first place.
They're fake in that no actual player input or game data was directly used to generate the frame. It's a fancy interpolation between two real frames
They're still "real" in that you still see the extra frames, majority of the time indistinguishable from real frames, and at high frame rates, the fake frames are on screen for such a short time, it's hard to notice any artifacts if there even are any in the first place.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:49:00 No.103956378
>>103956367
So are there any downsides to enabling them?
So are there any downsides to enabling them?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:49:20 No.103956381
>>103956349
They're currently working to develop a new(ish) technology called ray tracing, it has numerous visual advantages but it's currently an absolute cunt to generate using conventional methods. As such we have AI upscaling and othersuch stopgap dogshit injected in to keep the quality in line with expectations, alongside absurd pricing to finance the current and future development of raytracing.
Early adopters are getting financially abused by nvidia, steam hardware surveys show most people still using 3060's and with these prices that won't change soon.
They're currently working to develop a new(ish) technology called ray tracing, it has numerous visual advantages but it's currently an absolute cunt to generate using conventional methods. As such we have AI upscaling and othersuch stopgap dogshit injected in to keep the quality in line with expectations, alongside absurd pricing to finance the current and future development of raytracing.
Early adopters are getting financially abused by nvidia, steam hardware surveys show most people still using 3060's and with these prices that won't change soon.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:50:00 No.103956387
Thoughts on this? Dude is using a single fan noctua to cool a 9950x, is this ok? What temps would he be getting?
https://youtube.com/shorts/qR-RNA_LckE?si=rwWX4P9N3zaQc22k
https://youtube.com/shorts/qR-RNA_L
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:50:16 No.103956389
>>103956378
it looks like shit. dont listen to anyone who says you cant tell, you can
it looks like shit. dont listen to anyone who says you cant tell, you can
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:51:09 No.103956398
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:51:21 No.103956401
>Be Radeon
>Try to sell a video card with a monolithic GPU made in TSMC 4nm process, rumored to have a 390mm2 die area.
>The chip doesn't perform well enough to justify the 7900XTX or the 4080 Super's $1000 MSRP.
>Can't price it competitively vs $750 5070Ti (GB203 378 mm2) and $550 5070 (GB205 263 mm2), neither uses fully-enabled die chips.
The AD103 die area in the pic is wrong btw, it's officially 379 mm2.
Navi 48's real die area won't be 390mm2 either, but NVIDIA was selling RTX cards with AD103 chips for at least $800 MSRP ($1200 for 4080, $1000 for 4080 Super).
>Try to sell a video card with a monolithic GPU made in TSMC 4nm process, rumored to have a 390mm2 die area.
>The chip doesn't perform well enough to justify the 7900XTX or the 4080 Super's $1000 MSRP.
>Can't price it competitively vs $750 5070Ti (GB203 378 mm2) and $550 5070 (GB205 263 mm2), neither uses fully-enabled die chips.
The AD103 die area in the pic is wrong btw, it's officially 379 mm2.
Navi 48's real die area won't be 390mm2 either, but NVIDIA was selling RTX cards with AD103 chips for at least $800 MSRP ($1200 for 4080, $1000 for 4080 Super).
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:51:57 No.103956406
>>103956378
It looks worse.
It looks worse.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:52:09 No.103956408
>>103956387
its fine. good on him for telling these fag youtubers to GTFO with some shitty upcharge AIO
its fine. good on him for telling these fag youtubers to GTFO with some shitty upcharge AIO
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:52:17 No.103956410
>>103956378
Input latency still feels like what your real frames rate is so you want at least 50-60fps before enabling frame generation. That's why most people will enable DLSS upscaling first.
Also, sometimes there will be artifacts in a frame but how much you notice them will depend on frame rate, how bad the artifact is, and how perceptive you are
Input latency still feels like what your real frames rate is so you want at least 50-60fps before enabling frame generation. That's why most people will enable DLSS upscaling first.
Also, sometimes there will be artifacts in a frame but how much you notice them will depend on frame rate, how bad the artifact is, and how perceptive you are
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:52:49 No.103956415
When will get benchmarks of 4090 vs 5090 when both are using 600W on tasks?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:53:21 No.103956418
>>103956255
AMD Radeon's product managers are MLID subscribers, they all fell for his RTX pricing meme.
AMD Radeon's product managers are MLID subscribers, they all fell for his RTX pricing meme.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:53:42 No.103956420
>>103956401
>be radeon
Nigga they're AMD, Radeon is the branding the company uses, that's like saying "Be be cool ranch chips" instead of "Be doritos".
>be me
>be upset over a shitpost
>be radeon
Nigga they're AMD, Radeon is the branding the company uses, that's like saying "Be be cool ranch chips" instead of "Be doritos".
>be me
>be upset over a shitpost
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:55:26 No.103956430
>>103956351
60-80cm desks are standard
24-27 monitors are standard
people are using tvs for monitors these days
depends on u
>>103956355
>I never had that issues on 1080 of crampness
we had more vertical pixels on crts, we had 1920x1200 lcds
all got downgraded to 1080p
if you are born into slavery of course you don't know you are a slave
>>103956356
looks like indiana jones
>>103956357
you are right at the limit before the DSC jew catches you so you are min maxed desu
>>103956410
reflex 2 will solve this but maybe it wont things looking like a smeary mess
60-80cm desks are standard
24-27 monitors are standard
people are using tvs for monitors these days
depends on u
>>103956355
>I never had that issues on 1080 of crampness
we had more vertical pixels on crts, we had 1920x1200 lcds
all got downgraded to 1080p
if you are born into slavery of course you don't know you are a slave
>>103956356
looks like indiana jones
>>103956357
you are right at the limit before the DSC jew catches you so you are min maxed desu
>>103956410
reflex 2 will solve this but maybe it wont things looking like a smeary mess
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:56:06 No.103956433
>>103956420
The competence of Radeon's product managers is not representative of the rest of AMD's business like Epyc, Threadripper, Ryzen, Instinct, etc.
If the rest of AMD were this retarded, the 9800X3D would cost $699.99 because it's a better PC gaming chip than Intel's offerings.
It's always Radeon that fucks up pricing within AMD.
The competence of Radeon's product managers is not representative of the rest of AMD's business like Epyc, Threadripper, Ryzen, Instinct, etc.
If the rest of AMD were this retarded, the 9800X3D would cost $699.99 because it's a better PC gaming chip than Intel's offerings.
It's always Radeon that fucks up pricing within AMD.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:56:40 No.103956436
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:57:20 No.103956442
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:57:22 No.103956443
>>103956430
Unless your run your own business you too are a slave.
Unless your run your own business you too are a slave.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:57:39 No.103956445
>>103956436
Nah
Nah
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:57:41 No.103956446
>>103956433
Yeah, valid point. I saw someone on youtube talking about a budget build in 2025 being AMD cpu and Intel GPU and it made me laugh.
We live in unusual times.
Yeah, valid point. I saw someone on youtube talking about a budget build in 2025 being AMD cpu and Intel GPU and it made me laugh.
We live in unusual times.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)11:59:39 No.103956460
>>103956430
What’s a DSC?
What’s a DSC?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:04:23 No.103956502
>>103956460
display stream compression due to running out of bandwidth on displayport or hdmi
which may or may not cause certain issues
some people hate it, some people don't
display stream compression due to running out of bandwidth on displayport or hdmi
which may or may not cause certain issues
some people hate it, some people don't
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:04:56 No.103956508
>>103956460
Display stream compression
Display stream compression
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:07:20 No.103956529
>>103956433
>It's always Radeon that fucks up pricing within AMD
one of lisa su's family members in charge of that branch?
could explain the absolute incompetence coming from them
>It's always Radeon that fucks up pricing within AMD
one of lisa su's family members in charge of that branch?
could explain the absolute incompetence coming from them
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:09:19 No.103956550
>>103956078
Not at that (current) price class. If you bought one when they were selling for $600, the 5070 would be fine as an upgrade
>>103956204
>nvidia actually undercutted amd when it came to princing
This happens all the time. Radeon fleeces its loyal buyers by pricing their substantially worse cards right below Nvidia. The RX 6700 XT was priced right below the 3070 ($20 less at MSRP) and now it's not even close to the 3060 in image quality. Nvidia also undercut the 7900 XT heavily with the 4070 Ti
>>103956230
To stimulate sales of course
Arch is also upgraded, way more TOPs
>>103956290
Rasterization is stagnating
RT is more efficient once you start reaching for high fidelity
Not at that (current) price class. If you bought one when they were selling for $600, the 5070 would be fine as an upgrade
>>103956204
>nvidia actually undercutted amd when it came to princing
This happens all the time. Radeon fleeces its loyal buyers by pricing their substantially worse cards right below Nvidia. The RX 6700 XT was priced right below the 3070 ($20 less at MSRP) and now it's not even close to the 3060 in image quality. Nvidia also undercut the 7900 XT heavily with the 4070 Ti
>>103956230
To stimulate sales of course
Arch is also upgraded, way more TOPs
>>103956290
Rasterization is stagnating
RT is more efficient once you start reaching for high fidelity
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:14:27 No.103956602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyxXRXDtcPA
that nigga's hair is fabulous (no homo)
that nigga's hair is fabulous (no homo)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:14:59 No.103956606
>>103956602
It's called NVIDIA Hairworks and it's part of their salary package.
It's called NVIDIA Hairworks and it's part of their salary package.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:15:14 No.103956608
>>103956327
>Why do people say fake frames?
Either they are Luddites or Radeon users without access to high quality upsampling (aka DLSS, as FSR has historically been garbage), which is often better than native even with a single click, and almost always better than native with some tweaking. ML reconstruction is the future of graphics technology. Sure you can cherrypick problems with DLSS, but you can easily do the same with muh native as well. DLSS on balance is the better option most of the time
Also you need to distinguish between Super Resolution and Frame Generation. Anon >>103956367 clearly thinks you're talking about Frame Generation, but the term was originally used for Super Resolution
>>103956337
>they look worse and make comparisons meaningless
Wrong and no. It's just that comparisons have to be more detailed, as bar charts are now nearly useless (completely useless across vendor)
>Why do people say fake frames?
Either they are Luddites or Radeon users without access to high quality upsampling (aka DLSS, as FSR has historically been garbage), which is often better than native even with a single click, and almost always better than native with some tweaking. ML reconstruction is the future of graphics technology. Sure you can cherrypick problems with DLSS, but you can easily do the same with muh native as well. DLSS on balance is the better option most of the time
Also you need to distinguish between Super Resolution and Frame Generation. Anon >>103956367 clearly thinks you're talking about Frame Generation, but the term was originally used for Super Resolution
>>103956337
>they look worse and make comparisons meaningless
Wrong and no. It's just that comparisons have to be more detailed, as bar charts are now nearly useless (completely useless across vendor)
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:16:14 No.103956612
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:16:22 No.103956614
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:17:04 No.103956619
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:17:30 No.103956626
>Radeon needs to reprice 9070/XT because it's poor value vs. 5070Ti and/or 5070.
This pretty much ends the copium bullshit about Navi48 matching 4080 performance @ $500.
Where are all those faggots anyway?
This pretty much ends the copium bullshit about Navi48 matching 4080 performance @ $500.
Where are all those faggots anyway?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:17:36 No.103956627
>>103956619
he's using RTX Finnasteride
he's using RTX Finnasteride
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:18:22 No.103956636
I have a b450 mobo and was thinking of upgrading to 64gb of vram. Currently i have 2x16gb sticks that I bought quite a while ago, but looking them up on google it seems they were discontinued. Are my options just getting a new 64gb kit or can I use ram with similar timings/voltage?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:18:51 No.103956640
>>103956612
>Zesty
Fags are more likely to be university educated and have knowledge jobs. You want as many zesty niggas as possible on your tech team as long as they're males.
>Zesty
Fags are more likely to be university educated and have knowledge jobs. You want as many zesty niggas as possible on your tech team as long as they're males.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:19:02 No.103956642
>>103956619
looks fake, like the frames he is trying to sell
looks fake, like the frames he is trying to sell
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:19:30 No.103956650
>>103956619
He may not be fully trooned out but he's certainly on some fin
He may not be fully trooned out but he's certainly on some fin
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:20:23 No.103956659
>>103956602
>dlss4 uses software based optical flow and not hardware
>can't be used on 40 series because 50 series has flip metering hardware which helps with frame pacing
hrmmmm
sounds like bullshit to me
>dlss4 uses software based optical flow and not hardware
>can't be used on 40 series because 50 series has flip metering hardware which helps with frame pacing
hrmmmm
sounds like bullshit to me
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:22:00 No.103956672
>>103956351
Just get a higher resolution one and it'll be free real estate
Just get a higher resolution one and it'll be free real estate
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:22:02 No.103956673
Njudea
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:23:17 No.103956691
>>103956602
Wait a minute he basically just hinted that MFG would be coming to older cards in teh future at 13:06
Wait a minute he basically just hinted that MFG would be coming to older cards in teh future at 13:06
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:24:03 No.103956699
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:24:17 No.103956703
![Lossless Scaling： Frame Generation For Every Game - But How Good Is it？ [69k7ZXLK1to]-2-1](https://i.4cdn.org/g/1737307457533209s.jpg)
>>103956378
As I said, DLSS Super Resolution is generally better than native (usually better looking, faster with lower input latency). Frame Generation is more of a mixed bag, at least with the DLSS3 model, but unless you're playing like you have Parkinson's (high mouse sensitivity where you can pull a 360 by moving it 1 mm), it's generally good, as long as you're starting from a base framerate of about 50 FPS for a controller game
>>103956401
If Radeon doesn't have equal value to Geforce in base RT this gen, I'll be disappointed. I don't give a shit that RTG has to use more die area. It has huge margins, time to make a competitive product. Intel also has to use a large die area and they sell their chips extremely cheap if we're comparing die area, way, way, WAY cheaper than RTG
>>103956420
Shut the fuck up, retard. Ever heard of Radeon Technologies Group? No you haven't because you're a shithead. Calling RTG Radeon is like calling Ford Motor Company Ford
As I said, DLSS Super Resolution is generally better than native (usually better looking, faster with lower input latency). Frame Generation is more of a mixed bag, at least with the DLSS3 model, but unless you're playing like you have Parkinson's (high mouse sensitivity where you can pull a 360 by moving it 1 mm), it's generally good, as long as you're starting from a base framerate of about 50 FPS for a controller game
>>103956401
If Radeon doesn't have equal value to Geforce in base RT this gen, I'll be disappointed. I don't give a shit that RTG has to use more die area. It has huge margins, time to make a competitive product. Intel also has to use a large die area and they sell their chips extremely cheap if we're comparing die area, way, way, WAY cheaper than RTG
>>103956420
Shut the fuck up, retard. Ever heard of Radeon Technologies Group? No you haven't because you're a shithead. Calling RTG Radeon is like calling Ford Motor Company Ford
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:24:21 No.103956704
>>103956659
NVIDIA's always going to come up with a new graphical feature to incentivize gamers to buy the newest GeForce card.
They want PC gamers to upgrade their hardware more often, and to upgrade to higher-tier products.
Not saying this is bad/evil/wtvr, just stating facts.
NVIDIA's always going to come up with a new graphical feature to incentivize gamers to buy the newest GeForce card.
They want PC gamers to upgrade their hardware more often, and to upgrade to higher-tier products.
Not saying this is bad/evil/wtvr, just stating facts.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:25:29 No.103956714
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:26:35 No.103956723
>>103956550
>Rasterization is stagnating
RT is more efficient once you start reaching for high fidelity
agreed, but the hardware isn't there yet at a reasonable price point, people are paying for the future developments instead of what they're actually getting.
>Rasterization is stagnating
RT is more efficient once you start reaching for high fidelity
agreed, but the hardware isn't there yet at a reasonable price point, people are paying for the future developments instead of what they're actually getting.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:26:37 No.103956725
>>103956714
humans are biased
there is no such thing as an unbiased person
at the end of the day all of these people would like to remain in the industry so they can't just shit on the hands feeding them
humans are biased
there is no such thing as an unbiased person
at the end of the day all of these people would like to remain in the industry so they can't just shit on the hands feeding them
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:26:47 No.103956727
>>103956714
Rapists' Nexus
Rapists' Nexus
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:27:30 No.103956734
>>103956691
I thought we get 3 ai frames with the 50 series because of 3 tensor cores?
So 3 frames could work on older cards but only with higher inputlag I assume since all the 3 frame have to be gened by only one tensor core?
I thought we get 3 ai frames with the 50 series because of 3 tensor cores?
So 3 frames could work on older cards but only with higher inputlag I assume since all the 3 frame have to be gened by only one tensor core?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:28:36 No.103956743
How likely is the 5080 going to beat the 4090 in raster?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:28:50 No.103956750
so this is their modus operandi
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:29:03 No.103956751
>>103956297
>get the FE
lmao no one is getting FE except for scalper skiddies/bots
you might have a TINY chance at getting an AIB if you get in the microsecond they go up for sale
>get the FE
lmao no one is getting FE except for scalper skiddies/bots
you might have a TINY chance at getting an AIB if you get in the microsecond they go up for sale
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:29:12 No.103956756
>>103956743
No.
No.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:29:34 No.103956759
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:30:11 No.103956768
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:30:12 No.103956769
>>103955223
why would the 5060ti have less vram than the 4060ti
why would the 5060ti have less vram than the 4060ti
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:30:13 No.103956770
Bring back SLI/Crossfire
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:31:03 No.103956781
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:31:06 No.103956782
We're gonna get a lot of seething and coping when the benchmarkers find out DLSS4 is superior to native. Like way way way better than native and raster is completely dead.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:31:46 No.103956789
>>103956750
Smoothnes = 27fps framgenned to 250fps
responsiveness = reflex2 bent frames, ai filling in the missing frames from asycronous reprojection
image quality = 1080p upscaled to 4k
27fps 1080p blur slop frame genned mess
sloppy!
Smoothnes = 27fps framgenned to 250fps
responsiveness = reflex2 bent frames, ai filling in the missing frames from asycronous reprojection
image quality = 1080p upscaled to 4k
27fps 1080p blur slop frame genned mess
sloppy!
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:32:09 No.103956791
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:32:13 No.103956792
>you know with dlss we're just trying to give gamers more options so they can play how they want
>if they want lower latency, if they want better image quality, or if they want more fps
the hair nigga seems alright
>if they want lower latency, if they want better image quality, or if they want more fps
the hair nigga seems alright
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:32:16 No.103956793
>>103956782
How can upscaling be superior to native? Native is the actual intended image. The ceiling for DLSS is equal to native.
How can upscaling be superior to native? Native is the actual intended image. The ceiling for DLSS is equal to native.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:32:26 No.103956796
What would happen if I turn my PC on without a cooler on the CPU? I just wanna test it to see if everything is working fine, I’d turn it off after confirming nothing is wrong. I could do that with the cooler but it would be a fucking hassle if there’s something wrong and I’d have to unmount the cooler.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:32:30 No.103956797
>>103956699
Did you buy that display unit? Grats, great price.
Did you buy that display unit? Grats, great price.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:33:21 No.103956804
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:33:56 No.103956816
>>103955983
>Base performance of all RTX 50 SKUs will be higher and/or cheaper
TDP also seems higher. Hows performance if TDP is limited to previous gen
>Base performance of all RTX 50 SKUs will be higher and/or cheaper
TDP also seems higher. Hows performance if TDP is limited to previous gen
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:34:33 No.103956824
So, it' looks like a big reason for the continued delay of AMD graphics news is a lot of retailers already preordered parts, and AMD want to significantly cut the price, and might be forced to pay the difference to retailers.
Originally they planned to sell the 9070XT for something like $699, but Nvidia forced their hand by pricing the 5070 lower than expected.
Originally they planned to sell the 9070XT for something like $699, but Nvidia forced their hand by pricing the 5070 lower than expected.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:34:35 No.103956825
>acceptable input framerate for 3/4x is still the same as 2x
>challenges have to do with how largethe movement between two consecutive rendered frames is
>trick is figuring how the objects are moving
>challenges have to do with how largethe movement between two consecutive rendered frames is
>trick is figuring how the objects are moving
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:34:36 No.103956826
>>103956793
Because Native + forced TAA (or variant) render is worse than Upscaled (with transformer model upgrade) + DLSS AA.
Because Native + forced TAA (or variant) render is worse than Upscaled (with transformer model upgrade) + DLSS AA.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:34:41 No.103956828
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:35:16 No.103956833
>>103956824
>AMD want to significantly cut the price, and might be forced to pay the difference to retailers.
this is an insane situation for a business to find themselves in
>AMD want to significantly cut the price, and might be forced to pay the difference to retailers.
this is an insane situation for a business to find themselves in
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:35:46 No.103956840
>>103956816
Why do you ask questions that can only be answered by reviews or by having cards in your PC?
Why do you ask questions that can only be answered by reviews or by having cards in your PC?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:36:15 No.103956844
>>103953243
The boomers make PC memes now whoah
The boomers make PC memes now whoah
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:37:00 No.103956851
>>103956270
AMD needs to re-allow forcing FSAA on linux then ill switch back to them
AMD needs to re-allow forcing FSAA on linux then ill switch back to them
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:37:49 No.103956862
>>103953433
9070xt will be more than 15% over 6800xt easily.
9070xt will be more than 15% over 6800xt easily.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:37:52 No.103956864
>>103956714
DF isn't Nvidia biased, they just aren't Luddites like a lot of the tech community (change BAD). They take the time to go into detail. I found a channel recently called Terra Ware that's pretty good. He doesn't do massive review, but he seems to be a reasonable person and fairly detail oriented.
>>103956743
Not likely
>>103956768
>reflex 2
Which will be available at least all the way back to RTX 20, maybe even further back
>>103956793
>The ceiling for DLSS is equal to native
Wrong
>>103956816
True but I doubt you'll be able to OC a 4080 to 5080 levels no matter TDP or voltage. Could be wrong though, I haven't followed overclocking recently, and of course I'm not talking about exotic OC using liquid nitrogen or something
DF isn't Nvidia biased, they just aren't Luddites like a lot of the tech community (change BAD). They take the time to go into detail. I found a channel recently called Terra Ware that's pretty good. He doesn't do massive review, but he seems to be a reasonable person and fairly detail oriented.
>>103956743
Not likely
>>103956768
>reflex 2
Which will be available at least all the way back to RTX 20, maybe even further back
>>103956793
>The ceiling for DLSS is equal to native
Wrong
>>103956816
True but I doubt you'll be able to OC a 4080 to 5080 levels no matter TDP or voltage. Could be wrong though, I haven't followed overclocking recently, and of course I'm not talking about exotic OC using liquid nitrogen or something
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:46:45 No.103956976
>>103956864
>doubt you'll be able to OC a 4080 to 5080 levels no matter TDP or voltage.
you dont understand, i want lower TDP.
>doubt you'll be able to OC a 4080 to 5080 levels no matter TDP or voltage.
you dont understand, i want lower TDP.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)12:52:05 No.103957049
>>103956976
Same, I heavily undervolt my graphics cards
UV and OC are flip sides of the same coin. My point is that, holding a reasonable voltage or wattage constant, RTX 50 will be probably be faster, aka more efficient. I don't think the efficiency gains will really be that much, for the same reason that performance increases aren't that high: similar TSMC node. This is a skip generation in my opinion, unless of course you need a new card. Nothing on offer is that great except for niche uses, e.g., MFG on a 240 Hz monitor for non-competitive games
Same, I heavily undervolt my graphics cards
UV and OC are flip sides of the same coin. My point is that, holding a reasonable voltage or wattage constant, RTX 50 will be probably be faster, aka more efficient. I don't think the efficiency gains will really be that much, for the same reason that performance increases aren't that high: similar TSMC node. This is a skip generation in my opinion, unless of course you need a new card. Nothing on offer is that great except for niche uses, e.g., MFG on a 240 Hz monitor for non-competitive games
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:21:26 No.103957424
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:24:08 No.103957454
>>103957424
Blame siesta.
Blame siesta.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:28:50 No.103957527
>>103957454
Siestas are sacred, and there's nothing to blame them for
Siestas are sacred, and there's nothing to blame them for
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:32:31 No.103957563
>>103954023
RDOA no wait wrong company
RDOA no wait wrong company
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:37:24 No.103957625
>>103957424
why would you buy a 5080?
why would you buy a 5080?
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:47:12 No.103957781
>>103957625
I don't, but if the stock of 5080s is that limited it'll most likely be a similar case for the rest of the lineup. The article suggests that the supply for the 5090 will be more limited even
I don't, but if the stock of 5080s is that limited it'll most likely be a similar case for the rest of the lineup. The article suggests that the supply for the 5090 will be more limited even
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)13:50:19 No.103957822
I've recently decided to upgrade and grabbed a 7000D airflow case. While I didn't realize how fucking big it is returning would be a pain in the ass so I'm probably going to stick with it. My question is are the stock fans good enough for a 9800X3D with a phantom spirit? My old Corsair air 540 case was fine with just the stock fans but I had a ryzen 9 3900X in it.
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:46:15 No.103958465
I want to play Talos principle 2 in 1080p 144hz, give me a build
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:50:52 No.103958513
>>103957822
Yes the stock fans will be fine
Yes the stock fans will be fine
Anonymous 01/19/25(Sun)14:51:20 No.103958519
>>103958465
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H7Lx9C
Assuming you already have case, SSD, PSU, etc.
You can go cheaper on the graphics card, like a 4060 if you want
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H7Lx9
Assuming you already have case, SSD, PSU, etc.
You can go cheaper on the graphics card, like a 4060 if you want