I got a small bag of Laurina and it's so good. What other beans might have similar qualities?

>>21107704
Can you post the bag? Do you have more information?
The taste notes would also help

>>21107693
Shit thread OP, never make it again.

>>21107726
You're the laggard OP of the other thread?

>>21107693
Good OP. Thanks for posting.

My espresso tasted so bad today, extremely bitter from channeling. How do I fix this, sometimes it channels and I can't tell what I am doing differently, I do pretty much the same WDT every time

>>21107763
>I do pretty much the same
have you used a blind shaker before?
it actually out performs all the other methods.
also you should grind coarser.

>>21107763
Grind coarser, increase ratio (longer shot-time).

>>21107763
All the other responses were good
But can you send hows the shot? Like weight in and out, time, coffee so we can have a better idea of what to do
The machine you are using would also help

>>21107706
This is what I got. It was a bit old by the time it came to my door, sadly.

>>21107763
Try adding a bloom step.

>>21107871
you mean a pre-infusion

>>21107874
No, I mean a post-grind.

>>21107888
pour over = bloom
espresso = pre infusion

>>21107874
>>21107896
No. I mean a bloom. Preinfusion is the stage in which a different flow rate is used to saturate the puck so that pressure buildup isn't trying to force itself while there's still air to work out. Bloom is shutting off all water to the puck for a set amount of time (I use 30 seconds) AFTER preinfusion and before the main pressure application of the shot.

>>21107912
thats not a bloom because there is no room for it to bloom
regardless of if its saturated and the flow is turned off its not actually blooming, its infusing because the grounds are just sitting in the water.
and even if it was a true bloom it would actually be making the coffee worse because it would increase the time the carbon dioxide is sitting in/on the grounds
a bloom is meant to get that stuff out of the coffee fast.

>>21107896
Jsydkwytaamo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-DUJIVo0uI

>>21107865
Try to get an ethiopian or some other washed south american with fruity qualities then?

>>21107932
>25 second pre-infusion
>says this is the bloom and totally not just a normal pre-infusion even though he just called it a pre-infusion
you have no way to tell whats actually happening inside the portafilter during this "bloom" phase yet are so confident in calling it a bloom even though its just an extended pre-infusion, and the only way to "bloom" the puck is the do a pre-infusion.
so i think its you that doesnt know what they are talking about and should just say so and move on.
:)
>but but but he used the word bloom so therefore it is one
whatever you say champ.

>>21107955
even spro says in the comments "It truly is the only downside to pulling these long pre-infusion shots." "long pre-infusion shots", he himself doesnt even call it a bloom, he calls it exactly what it is, a long pre-infusion shot.
you probably should have taken the time to actually look at the link you posted before posting.
and even other people are just calling it a long pre-infusion shot.
you literally disproved yourself.
gratz

>>21107964
Blooming spro is a thing people say

>>21108000
i have never heard it until this thread

>>21108005
It's been a term for like seven years now.
https://rmckeon.medium.com/blooming-espresso-profile-explorations-7edcbeedc6c5
https://www.scottrao.com/blog/2021/5/18/best-practice-espresso-profile
https://www.scottrao.com/blog/2018/7/18/advanced-mode-on-the-de1

>>21108005
because its called preinfusion

>>21108045
oh i have heard of that.
>>21108037
again
no proof that its not just a long/different type of pre-infusion
slapping the word "bloom" onto it doesnt suddenly make it a bloom.
>its a "term" used for 7 years because of these random literal nobodies blogs from years ago.
lol
lmao

>>21108052
>rao
NEVER HEARD OF EM MUST NOT EXIST

>>21108052
There's like five people in the fucking world, tops, who could realistically claim to know coffee better than Rao.

>>21108058
>>21108059
never heard of him
regardless of who he is, he and you cant prove its a bloom and not just a weird looking pre-infusion
its like saying you made a new dish called cannelloni where you make lasagna but just turn the oven off for a little bit near the start of cooking.
it looks like undercooked lasagna
it tastes like undercooked lasagna
oh but no its actually called cannelloni even though cannelloni is already a dish that exists and its completely different.

if you can prove its its own unique thing that deserves the name of an already existing thing that is totally different then i will call it a bloom
but until then you can cope and seethe while i pre-infuse my nuts in your mouth.

>>21108083
A blooming shot is a way to use pre-infusion
Its not that complicated
Dont derail the thread

>>21108083
lurk moar

>>21108100
>A blooming shot
is a delusion

>>21108083
In St. Louis we have a dish called "toasted ravioli". There's no toasting involved. They're breaded and deep fried. They're just called that. Bloomed espresso is just called that. It's a universally recognized name for performing those exact steps, regardless as to any arguments on whether or not the name is actually an accurate description.

>>21108005
The jbm dipshit never heard of arabica before these threads. You two should collab.

>>21108128
you should make another dogshit OP

>>21108139
I plan on it.

>>21108139
Dipshit already did >>21107698

>>21108149
Calm down, everyone. I was the OP of the too-late thread. My internet was laggy due to snowstorms and I realized after I posted that I was 4 minutes too late. I immediatelyt posted in the old /ctg/ linking to this thread. Just give it a day and the incorrect thread will fall off the last page.

what grinder should i buy (STRICTLY) under $50 on aliexpress
>what kind of coffee do you make
i dont know
i could either get a moka pot or a french press i guess

>>21108249
Chink hario switch

>>21108263
what about the grinder

>>21108249
1zpresso qair from Jaffee coffee Store

>>21108282
do you own one?

>>21108264
Oh fuck didnt read it, thought you wanted a brewer
Anyway, the most expensive kingrinder you can get

>>21108284
No I have a real grinder.

>>21108249
You're in luck!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBIVVP4kYb0

>>21108118
thank you for conceding that its not bloomed and is simply named that despite being wrong.
>>21108100
>Dont derail the thread
aka "i lost but am unable to concede" dont worry anon, i know, i accept your concession even if you cant give it verbally.
:)
>>21108103
been here for years, never heard of him here or anywhere else.
>but but but he has le blog!
no one reads those grandpa

>>21108685
Few of his books were in the old mediafire folder I was posting. The coffee roasters companion, professional barista's handbook, and this one I had to buy a hard copy of. You're doing that thing again roktard. You're past this.

>>21108769
>You're doing that thing again
listen im sure he knows his stuff in general im simply saying i have literally never seen his name or heard his name ever.
and just because he generally knows his stuff doesnt mean his word is gospel.
its pretty clear that this whole "bloom" thing is made up.
if he called it a "rao shot" where you just do a weird pre-infusion that would be fine. its using the word bloom that i take issue with.

The coffee I got off Amazon SUCKS DICK. I'm still gonna use all of it though.

I have a DF64 that i want to sell. What can be considered an upgrade like under 1500 euros? I alreadry have a pair of ssps MP

>>21108685
>>21108801
last weekend the guy who ran the coffeeshop I went to talked to me about scott rao, swear on my life

>>21108801
You absolutely have, it was just when you were solely a moka sperg and ignoring anything outside of that. He's a very well known roastery/cafe consultant. Came up with filter 2.0, 2.1, 3.0 etc etc. This 6 year old hoffmann video has been posted numerous times. High extraction, ap filters, crema is dogshit etc etc. Theres a difference between low pressure low flow preinfusion where the pump is running continuously(or line level pressure from a plumbed in machine), and a bloomed shot where the flow is stopped by cutting the pump and letting the puck saturate, expand, and degas slower. Wait until you buy a flair to pretend to know espresso things.
https://youtu.be/fEXLftYYV8o
Filter 2/3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2NpRMvK00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQpHnXKQNq0
Bonus pourover video thats also been posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsGf3R9mc0

>>21108685
I'm not conceding anything. I'm just saying that it doesn't really matter. A pause in espresso infusion is called a bloom. Regardless as to how much or how little it has in common with a pourover bloom. Both of these things are relatively new uses of the word "bloom" in a made up industry jargon sense anyway. If you object to using "bloom" for espresso you should REALLY object to using "bloom" for pourover because it's even more dissimilar to flowers opening.
I would personally argue that it does have almost everything in common with a pourover bloom. Both give water time to more fully saturate the gaps in between coffee grounds to produce less channeling. Both do allow gasses to escape, pourover from the top and espresso from the bottom (you can even see the portafilter bubbling to know it's happening). But it doesn't really matter as to what its called because language doesn't work on a firm set of consistent constructs anyway.

Thought I didn't like Rwandans until I tried these today. Had to pull another shot right after the first. Intense, syrupy blueberry flavor, kind of like a really fruity chocolate.

>>21108872
>hoffmann video from Jun 12, 2019
y'know what, i actually do remember seeing that video... in 2023 while going through his old videos.
maybe in 2019 that was some crazy stuff but in 2023 is pretty boring, didnt think anything of it.
i haven't seen the other videos and i dont watch lance hendrick
also love how in that video he calls it "blooming" but then describes what the is happening during the bloom and what he describes isnt blooming
>He's a very well known roastery/cafe consultant.
im sure he is, i never said he wasnt, i simply have personally never heard of him.
>Came up with filter 2.0, 2.1, 3.0 etc etc
literally never heard these terms used before.
>letting the puck saturate, expand, and degas slower
except its not degassing because the gas has nowhere to go, its literally trapped between 2 layers of paper and with no pressure so its not even leaking out the bottom.
it is as i said before sitting in the grounds which is literally the opposite reason why you bloom in pour over.

>>21108900
>im not wrong and even if i was it doesnt matter
>A pause in espresso infusion is called a bloom
but WHY is it called a bloom?
seems like its because this rao guy called it a bloom regardless of the mechanics of the process.
> for pourover because it's even more dissimilar to flowers opening.
>more dissimilar
actually its exactly like a flower opening.
coffee grounds are closed, the gasses trapped inside, the hot water opens it up and releases the gasses.
just like how flowers are closed with the pollen trapped inside and then the sun(heat = energy) wakes them and opens them up expanding them and releasing the pollen.
> Both do allow gasses to escape
except the gas cant escape. and if it can i haven't seen any proof or evidence that is can.
simple a "trust me bro".
>(you can even see the portafilter bubbling to know it's happening)
thats because there is still pressure in the system. from the pre-infusion + gravity.
they dont vent the pressure so clearly there is still going to be a downwards force on the water in the coffee which is aided by gravity.
>it doesnt matter that the word is being used wrong(so you admit it) because language isnt a ridged construct anyway
you can be wrong all you want, im going to be right and call a spade a spade.
if rao hadn't called it a bloom you wouldn't be looking at that kind of shot and calling that phase of the pre-infusion a bloom, you would just call it a long pre-infusion.
and if it doesnt matter what its called why are you sticking to a name you know is incorrect?
if it doesnt matter why take sides and defend the use of a wrong name?

>>21108950
>coffee grounds are closed, the gasses trapped inside, the hot water opens it up and releases the gasses
pseudo-science

>>21108977
>Yes, coffee grounds contain carbon dioxide gas (CO2) that's trapped inside the beans after roasting. This gas is released gradually over time, a process called degassing.
>When hot water is added to freshly roasted coffee, the trapped (CO2) is released, creating a "bloom".
cope and seethe.

what's the minimum viable kit to make good coffee?
>kingrinder k0
>aeropress
>a $10 Walmart kettle and a $5 meat thermometer

>>21109084
based on science

>>21109108
Cowboy coffee, literally just a pot and a fire.
>I said good
Skill issue.

new standart issue arrived
got a tiny Morgan Eckroth fridge magnet and some sibarist filters and some gesha coffee from somewhere idk, i didnt look at the bag for long, looks cool tho, has a "holo" effect.

>>21109108
-$30 if you go with a p0 instead. Same burr. -$30 going with a plastic v60 too. That would let you snag a scale, kettle, and carafe.

>>21109131
>tiny Morgan Eckroth
psuedo-science

>>21109151
there's no going back

>>21109108
hario cold brew pot + pre-ground

>>21107693
I'm looking to get a goose neck electric kettle. What would you guys recommend.

Or should I just get a regular kettle then get a non electrical pouring thing with a gooseneck to fill up

>>21109406
brewista artisan
it has some quirks but its good quality and has a great pour.
and its like $50 cheaper than the fellow stagg
hoffmann did a video on kettles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbel051H7-s

>>21109431
Seconding this, I love mine.

>>21109431
>>21109440


Ok cool guys. I'll keep those in mind.

Also if I were able to score a portable induction stove thing for cheap (I'm pretty sure I can get one for <$5) is there a non electrical gooseneck you recommend that can be heated up on one of those things

havin myself a soy latte

>>21109512
Hario buono
Love it
I have the buono temp control which is dear to my heart

>>21109613
>>21109512
I got a buono that I use with a portable gas stove
works quite nice

you can get a cheapo knock-off buono with one of those mini camping stoves for a total of 20 bux
which inmy opinion is a much nicer experience than getting an electric thing you gotta have on your counter plugged in all day

>>21108814
sculptor?

>>21108814
zern...
>euros
fuck, the market in the 1000-2000 euros zone is full of nothing
or the timemore, or the mazzer, or go full blazing for a wug2 I guess (they are out of stock tho, no clue when or if it will come back)
don't get the lagom p64, its a shinier df64v
if I were in ur position i would just wait to see if a better grinder comes out

>>21109673
anime website desu ne

>>21109682
this is the food and cooking board of a frog and wojak website

>>21109688
4chan is like that
this is 4channel mister

>>21109693
check the url, 4channel got folded back into 4chan years ago

>>21109695
blue board thoughever

>>21109688
>>21109693
coffee general

>>21109714
Is this AI? AI art has advanced by a lot in not very much time. I think that LLMs are overhyped and aren't going to get us to AGI but it is making me strongly consider getting a career change out of tech with an MBA.
>>21107693
When you get new beans, how many espresso shots/pourovers do you limit yourself to in order to dial in the new beans? I've done two shots, both pulled pretty fast, so I'm unsure whether to go for a third or push that off until tomorrow.

>>21108950
>they dont vent the pressure
If you ever actually did a blooming shot on a machine with pressure monitoring you'd know they DO, in fact, vent the pressure. If you cut off the water completely the pressure sharply declines as the gas is allowed to escape through the portafilter.

>>21109747
how did they taste tho? how fast? more info

>>21109782
idk they tasted ok but they came out at ~40g in 20 seconds even with pre-infusion
I'm grinding finer but making marginal changes between shots, my experience is that a tiny change can cause a shot to go from 20s to 40s

>>21109788
what grinder is it? what steps?
probably a really unimodal grinder from what you are telling
btw I would wait until tomorrow too
also, whats the ratio?
also dont chase variables, chase taste, a dial in should be to fix something, not to reach a metric

>coffee
espresso from work allows me to shit during company time

>>21109776
Oh, and you can actually see from transparent portafilter tests that letting pressure off actually DOES cause the puck to be allowed to expand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A-L00q5a1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uveo5dgU32c

>>21109961
>>21109776
it didnt seem like they fully vented the pressure in the rao vid.
it looked like he just brought the machine to the lowest pressure without turning it off.
i would love to see a "bloom shot" with a transparent portafilter.

oh and thanks for the videos, this guy has some great content
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8lVXNMJc5M
>Used Burundi beans home roasted on the Roastilino, the HG One grinder motorized by Tije
>La Pavoni Pro modified with a PXG4 pid to monitor the group temp

>>21109592
:)

>>21109592
Nice glass

>>21110149
and he has a modified rok grinder(1st gen, you can tell by the plastic adjustment ring)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efghmnrm5-8

>>21110130
Rao's version 2 of the bloomed shot does keep water flowing in to maintain pressure without raising it, so it's pretty much just a long as shit preinfusion. His version 1 did fully stop the flow of water allowing pressure to drop and the puck to expand. That's actually what the version 2 is for, to keep just enough pressure to not allow the puck to expand.

>pressurized basket
>75€ machine
>eyeball preground espresso
>knock it on the cutting board a few times
>spin the leveler, don't even tamp
>run the machine as long as I feel like
>get the shits 90 seconds later
>smoke cig while on the bowl
Perfect start of the day lads.

>>21110256
>>smoke cig while on the bowl
self rolled, right anon?
you wouldn't be some faggot shitting up my board who smokes factory-made ciggies, right?

>>21110184
All signs point to chomo.

>>21110286
no hes just dutch

>>21108950
anon can't handle the bloom

>>21108950
Look at him bloom.

>kingrinder p0 isn't avaliable on local amazon rn
reee

>>21107693
cute mug

>wake up
>make a megapint of coffee
>drink it
>still so tired i can hardly keep my eyes open
ok what the FUCK.

>>21111235
Two megapints?

>>21111270
no not yet
gonna fall sleep on this couch tho

>>21111270
Joker likes his coffee like he likes his men.

good morning /ctg/
let's have a cup

is it just me or has the quality of la cabra coffee gone down recently? I feel their expansion, along with opening numerous sites globally has had an impact on quality.

>>21111668
ive never tried them, but why do you think so?
has the roast become bad? the greens arent as good?

>>21111673
I think their coffee is just bland tasting for the past year and more dark roasted. Now their website lets you choose between the US and "rest of the world", kinda weird from a roastery based in Denmark. Mutts in general like their coffee more dark roasted than Nordic countries so that might explain their approach now.

>>21111681
i didnt hear good things about them desu, kinda weird that they didnt take the onyx approach of having different roast degree for europe and the US

>>21111687
> onyx approach of having different roast degree for europe and the US
True, the US ruins everything. I remember when la cabra was almost on par with April Coffee Roasters.

ausbros
summer spritz blend from padre
its good
for filter at least, haven't tried anything else.
i ground a little too coarse but still good.
sort of like a sweet jasmine tea
if you arent into tea like coffee then this isnt for you.
would be great if it was hot and sunny but its cold and wet and windy and frankly pretty miserable.
that storm the other day was crazy.

If you're not $20k in just go to starbys hobbyist.

>>21111772
It is peak gayming and covfefe weather here in the snowies. Horrible storms but it's also 10°c now when two weeks ago it was a heatwave.

>>21111668
>brazil
don't buy low-altitude macaco coffee

>>21111880
what are you playing?
its about 4c and raining, playing fallout 3 for the first time.

Switched back to some natural ethiopians. Did a ghetto pre-infusion by opening up the steam wand at the beginning of the shot, tasted pretty good

ITS UP!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX6F_l_KreM

>>21112124
we don't care

>>21112124
i care

>>21112215
<3 :)
thanks for reading my blog

>>21112257
I almost had that happen to me once.

>>21112037
Tears of the kingdom. I like it much less than BOTW though ever

>>21112296
TOTK genuinely sucks, it removes the good part of BOTW (exploring Hyrule because 95% is identical) and adds in new bullshit like having to farm zonaite

>>21112257
lol get fucked retard

>>21112257
Aeropress, not even once

>>21112257
Did you do the inverted method?

for the one asking about hibrew10b slim the-sprecco machine slimline the best 200 spent. yes, go buy it for countertop 'zzi. plebs don't know about those until supermarket/legacy brand orders the shape of the plastric and commercial campaign. ippodo just sent me a newsletter.

>>21112592
imma do it for you nigga for the first time right now wiß ground italian gift box bohnen. from the doze.

it still has a lot of nuance, wtf. tastes a lot like tetsu ice cube method.
you have to drain the hot water from th boiler for a too long time, but still.

the fucking gajunios are buying the next kit. incredible clarity.

>>21112622
thank you for the report anon

>>21112626
bend over

>>21112622
what would be the use of that https://youtu.be/u2fdYBMlqVU?si=xxjJMED79xzvMfsI&t=192

>>21112257
hoffman said the inverted method doesn't taste any better why are you still doing it

>>21112878
because Hoffmeme can be wrong
and also, he doesn't know how to brew inverted if he doesn't notice any difference in taste

>>21112878
i am convinced hoffmann is a bit of a tastelet
sure he knows his shit but i think his tastebuds are just not that sensitive

>>21112585
>>21112592
How many petrochemicals* are in the hot water path?

*plastics and related materials

Does anyone have the Deep 27? If so, do you like it? I'd love to be able to make 8g brews instead of sticking to a 12g minimum with other brewers.

>>21112928
I love it, its a good way to drink more coffee through the day without having a caffeine rush or wasting tons of coffee
It is a really nice brewer, but a bit difficult to use all things considered

>>21112928
You're in luck! An anon in the last thread has you covered.
>>21098177
>>21098390

If you aren't doing something silly and unintended with your aeropress are you even using it

>>21112257
what do you got in that pan
looks tasty

>>21112257
i didn't even have to search the image to know
but i did anyways
le sigh...

>>21107693
Hoffman!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX6F_l_KreM
Cheap Aldi espresso machine is "surprising good" but.......

>>21113476
nigga, we don't care

>>21113476
no no! you can't just buy good cheap thing. It's not ethical to not spend several thousand dollars on an open source gaggia arduino bike pump presso.

https://www.amazon.com/Paperless-Borosilicate-Reusable-Stainless-Permanent/dp/B09FXKLCZM?ref_=ast_sto_dp
>$24

Huh, guys, dumb question. If I don't care about microplastics, what would be the difference between the fancy glass jar in the link and using a plastic funnel with a coffee filter? What if my brother, literally, have a workshop where he can bend some metal net to craft a funnel that could be adjusted to any of my regular pots?

What am I missing here?

>>21113638
The paper might stick to the sidewalls and cause the flow to slow or even stall. Other than that, no difference.

>>21113638
>workshop where he can bend some metal net to craft a funnel that could be adjusted to any of my regular pots
yeah, that'll work

hmmm

>>21113836
Something on your mind, ma'am?

cow...fee?

>>21112374
I went on a rant about this exact reason last night to my best friend. I love /ctg/.

>>21113638
metal filers retain very few oils
eg youll get a cup with a lot more fines

tempted to get a manual grinder. I was using a moka pot with pre-ground coffee but it honestly tasted worse than instant

is using beans and a good grinder really worth it?

>>21113959
>but it honestly tasted worse than instant
skill issue
>is using beans and a good grinder really worth it?
yes
its the most "worth it" thing in coffee.
using a $2000 grinder with specialty coffee made with hot water and a sock is better than a $30 grinder with Starbucks beans and a $2000 espresso machine

>>21113985
What's the minimum for a "good" grinder, can I just search for stainless burrs and then sort by lowest price or does the rest of the grinder matter too

>>21113985
> Starbucks beans
Goyslop

>>21114000
depends if you want to manually grind it or have an electric grinder
manual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxH9XWRGTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn9OuRl1F3k
electric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xGhGtvYIs

>>21113891
>I love /ctg/.
And I love (you) random anon!

>>21113959
>is using beans and a good grinder really worth it?
Yeah good beans are #1, a good grinder is #2
>>21113985
>using a $2000 grinder with specialty coffee made with hot water and a sock is better than a $30 grinder with Starbucks beans and a $2000 espresso machine
It drove me up a wall back when I lurked /r/espresso seeing people posting their $5000 espresso machines paired with a DF64 ($400) or a Niche Zero ($600).
>>21114000
I'm pretty sure an anon made a tier-list in the pastebin. Manuals can get you some amazing price:performance. For espresso, there's a pretty hefty minimum price for a decent grinder but after that it's diminishing returns (but people will still talk about how a $2000 grinder 'knocks the socks off' a $600 grinder [there's a 2% improvement in taste]).

>>21114222
>/r/espresso
that place perplexes me.
it doesnt even feel like half the people there even like coffee, they just like knowing they have an expensive setup.
>[there's a 2% improvement in taste]).
sure, but most of the cost above a certain point is qol and workflow.
alot of people would take even a 5% hit to taste if it increase their enjoyment of making coffee by 20%

>>21114233
>most of the cost above a certain point is qol and workflow.
idk how much qol/workflow improvements you get between single dose grinder A and single dose grinder B

>>21114293
i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xGhGtvYIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LGeBcUZ9YA
clearly these are different grinders, each video shows grinders in a certain price range that look and feel and sound and work differently.
some differences are small, some are huge. and its easy to see why someone would buy one over the other just based on these differences even if the coffee largely tastes the same.

>>21114300
No, I’m not that far gone down the coffee consoomer rabbit hole. It’s fiscal irresponsibility to spend $2000 on a new espresso grinder when you’ve already got a grinder that works great. Diminishing returns lead to minute differences and people placebo-ing themselves

>>21114307
>placebo-ing themselves
i already ruled out taste so how could anything else be a placebo? there are physical differences that you can compare and if the features of one great grinder are personally more enjoyable than another great grinder that you already own it makes sense to buy that new grinder and sell the old one.
>It’s fiscal irresponsibility to spend $2000 on a new espresso grinder when you’ve already got a grinder that works great
if you are broke, sure.
but someone who cant buy 2 $2000 grinders probably shouldn't even buy 1.

>>21114316
Wasting money because you can doesn’t mean that you should. It’s the same stupid shit that new grad finance bros do

>>21114331
>Wasting
only if you are broke.

Bought a 100 dollar grinder that probably works 80% as well as a 500 dollar one and that's good enough for me

>>21114333
>you’re not spending $2000 to side grade a thousand dollar grinder you already own? what are you, poor/broke?!?
This consumerist mindset is far too prevalent among people who didn’t grow up wealthy.

>>21113638
>$24

What would be the difference between a fancy ceramic v60 and say if my brother has potters clay and a kiln. He can throw and fire a funnel.

What am I missing here?

>>21114388
>>you’re not spending $2000 to side grade a thousand dollar grinder you already own? what are you, poor/broke?!?
i never said that
and if you think i did then you misinterpreted what i did say.
the fact you took issue with me not agreeing with you that it is a waste means you dont understand that "waste" is subjective.
if you think its a waste then it is... to you, and if someone else thinks it is valuable then to them it is valuable.
>side grade
we already talked about how it would be an upgrade

you seem pretty biased against things that cost more money, so i dont think anything you say on the matter can be taken seriously.

>>21114401
>textbook Reddit reply attempting to come across as superior
Your entire reply chain is “broke broke broke”.

>>21114444
Quad gods confirm

>>21114444
Checked, kek'd, anon btfo'ed

>>21114444
>Your entire reply chain is “broke broke broke”.
except for
>>21113985
>>21114032
>>21114233
>>21114300
and while i have laid out my argument multiple times all you can muster is "more money bad, less money good"
and constantly attacking the price of things or literally just making shit up as seen here
>>21114388

>>21114476
>you
1. that isn't me
>"more money bad, less money good"
2. that isn't what he said
>linking multiple of his own posts but avoiding the immediately preceding posts
3. lol
Verdict: you need to go back to /r/espresso

>>21114512
>1. that isn't me
irrelevant
>2. that isn't what he said
can you or he prove otherwise?
>but avoiding the immediately preceding posts
because by linking the posts i linked it instantly shows that that comment was a lie.
in fact i could have just linked 1 post i made in the chain and it would have shown that what you said was a lie.

>>21114531
you are attempting to argue semantics and have no self awareness. stop shitting up the thread if you're not even capable of understanding the other anon's posts.

>>21114540
>stop
i accept your concession
i see you are tired and frustrated trying to defend your dogshit opinions that can barely be called "arguments" and you just want me to stop replying.
but i wont, well until i go to sleep i guess.
>semantics
no its facts, which i know is an alien concept for you.
>can you or he prove otherwise?
well i guess you couldnt. i figured as much but i thought i'd at least give you the chance.

You're doing that thing again.

so are you

>>21114555
>i accept your concession
>i see you are tired and frustrated trying to defend your dogshit opinions that can barely be called "arguments" and you just want me to stop replying.
No it's me saying I'm not paid to argue with people online and don't want to spend any more of my Saturday arguing with someone who isn't going to budge on their opinions.
Getting the last reply doesn't mean anything but feel free to keep on going, I'm done.

>>21114567
>arguing with someone who isn't going to budge on their opinions.

>I'm done.
i know, i said as much in my last post.
hope your Saturday is smooth and arabic :)

>>21114384
Key word being,
>probably

>>21114389
not much, tbfwy

Alls I'm saying is, even if I had millions of dollars just sitting around, I can think of hundreds of things to spend $2000 on that would be more enjoyable than a coffee grinder I already had. Hell, if we want to keep it coffee grinding related, I'd rather spend $2000 on a burr upgrade that will give a tangible difference in taste rather than some arbitrary improvement in "workflow".
All that being said, coffee grinding is a means to an end. Don't get lost in the sauce, bigboy.

Coffee bros, we drinkin good today.

>>21114634
*picture not related

>>21114642
**picture very much related

>>21114613
>upgrade that will give a tangible difference in taste
but we already said taste above x dollars was only going to be a 2% difference.
>rather than some arbitrary
except it isnt arbitrary, thats the ENTIRE point. "based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system."
the reasons you would want to upgrade from your existing $2000 grinder to another $2000 grinder that makes coffee that tastes the same are features of that other grinder that dont affect the taste, instead they affect the experience. that real, practical, physical experience is the reason why buying another grinder is an upgrade or why it is worth it and why it would not be a waste.
i spelled this out at the beginning

>>21114634
was that picture taken in Hobbiton?

>>21114690
Jesus Christ bro you type/argue like a reddit caricature

>>21114690
Reddit post

>>21114690
>that real, practical, physical experience
beans in
ground coffee out
simple as

a 2% difference in taste is still better than 0% difference in taste
if the workflow is too tedious for you, perhaps you're more suited to instant

>>21114696
>>21114710
He is literally a reddit castaway. Nigga was too insufferable for them.

>>21114717
>>21114713
>>21114710
>>21114696
>anything that disagrees with me is reddit
you lot have actual brain rot.

>ask for grinder recommendations
>go to bed
>come back
>the entire thread is ruined
oops

>>21114730
K6
spend the rest of your money on coffee beans and an RO system

>>21114730
Coffee is supposed to keep you awake. Why did you go to bed? You ruined your own thread simpleton.

>>21114740
>your own thread
this is our thread

>>21114613
trying to teach fiscal responsibility to retards is a lost cause

MY thread

>>21112374
and an incredibly robust building system with so many restrictive arbitrary limitations put on top of it that it's entirely useless outside of puzzles that require it and the hoverbike
like why do planes even exist when they get deleted in 75 seconds and you almost certainly spent more time than that throwing it together

>>21114730
All it takes is one autist to derail a thread and you never know what will rile up the autist.
Grinders are mostly subjective anyway, there isn’t some objectively choice. Check the pastebin for some guidelines then DYOR.
>>21114748
Y-you’re just broke!

>>21114768
>i want to spend $4000 on two nearly identical grinders
okay, buddy.
me personally, I'd just buy one $4000

>>21114762
>Grinders are mostly subjective anyway, there isn’t some objectively choice
isn't grind consistency per dollar pretty objective

just gimme the cheapest device that turns beans into pieces of beans without 1500 micron chunky bits

>>21114748
Market volatility depends on exuberance and fear. I see nothing wrong with the home barista shuffling his workflow or the homeless barista redeeming his aeropress for an aldi ambiano.

>>21114772
i never said that, i said if you already had one that cost $2000 and there is another one that you dont have that is $2000 that you enjoy more that you should buy that one and sell the one you currently own.
which is the financially responsible thing to do.

also if you want to do that and can afford to do it then its not financially irresponsible
i also said "but someone who cant buy 2 $2000 grinders probably shouldn't even buy 1." which is true, well i should say its how i was taught to think about money/"large" purchases.
like you should never spend right up to your limit of your available funds.
so if you bought a grinder for 2k but you cant afford another 2k grinder then you probably are not making a financially responsible purchase.
>>21114776
>isn't grind consistency per dollar pretty objective
yes but the taste isnt.
some people prefer "worse" grinders.

Have you guys ever roasted your coffee beans? How do you do it, and how did it go?

>>21114792
yes
you buy a roaster
its good and fun

>>21114589
True, it could make a much bigger difference, but I'll never know until I get to try some using a better grinder
What I can say for sure though is that it's almost as good as the local coffeeshops to my taste, and that's good enough for me.

>set up aeropress
>take the dog for a walk
>forget I set up the aeropress
>4 hours later
>cold brew coffee!
shrimple as that

should I bother getting a hand grinder if I'm only going to buy beans from the store?

>>21115234
yes

>>21115237
does it really make that much of a difference? I really don't want to spend the money and find it tastes just as good or worse than instant

>>21115234
Buy two for improved QOL
>inb4 “that sounds wasteful”
broke

>>21115285
It does.
Fresh ground coffee will taste better than instant. Even in just a pot on the stovetop. You don't need any specialty brewing device.

>>21115322
I made coffee with pre-ground beans in a moka pot and it honestly tasted worse than instant

>>21115332
Moka pot is a terrible choice for someone that doesn't want concentrated coffee or to fuss around with their process.

>>21115366
I didn't mind using it, it was simple to use but the pre-ground coffee tasted shit in it, if the ground coffee with a 1zpresso tastes as bad I'd have wasted $100

>>21115383
>trying to extract preground supermarket beans at an incorrect grind size in a method of brewing that requires a precise process produced a bad coffee
Oh no, how could this have happened.

>>21115332
No. I was talking about a literal pot, like a saucepan.

>>21115443
Do I have to spend $14 on a pot or can my brother pound one out of scrap metal at his diy maker?

>>21115450
You can just use your roommate's pot, bro.

>>21115383
your problem is the coffee youre using
if you want to make good coffee, you need to use good coffee beans

im sippin on the last of my black honey costa rican i got in tokyo
its fucking fantastic, wish i had more

>>21115481
okay
now grind it and let it sit for two weeks
i guarantee it will taste like kakadoodoo

'good' preground beans < 'mediocre' freshly ground beans

>>21115495
i mean maybe for like two days
before it rapidly stales and becomes just as bad as the mediocre coffee
besides that i dont know where youre going to find "good" preground coffee
it is by and large a segment of the market serviced by decidedly second-wave roasters
but hey, if you like it, if you enjoy it, more power to you

>>21115503
exactly
the anon you replied to >>21115383 is asking if it's worth it to grind your own coffee from whole beans. your post >>21115481 seems to imply that grinding doesn't matter if the coffee is bad, but even bad coffee can be improved by freshly grinding it.
even the shittiest beans, freshly ground, will taste better than mass-market instant.

>>21115511
i didnt mean to imply that at all
i did misinterpret your usage of the less than symbol though, i will admit

>>21115515
glad we're on the same page

>>21115495
>now grind it and let it sit for two weeks
why the fuck would you do that
>grind one coffee worth of beans
>make coffee with them
literally 30 seconds from grinder to brewing, if you're going to buy a nice grinder why aren't you grinding fresh every day

I saw Colombian sailboat coffee at Costco today, I didn't pick it up but I thought it was funny, the entire gimmick was it was shipped by sail boat from Colombia to Canada

I can't imagine that's a quick journey

Are we allowed to discuss coffee enemas here?

>>21115735
tell dont show

>>21115713
i cant believe you would say that and not share pictures
go back to Costco NOW and take a picture.

>>21115747
Here's their website, I didn't think to take a picture but there's plenty here
https://cafewilliam.com/pages/sailboatcoffee

>>21115795
this is retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA8MqnQWDo4

>>21115840
the funniest part is I'm on the west coast, so they shipped it by sailboat from Colombia, up through the Panama Canal, to Quebec, and then put it on a truck to drive back across the entirety of North America

>>21115520
yeah sorry
>>21115711
he was just making a point
>>21115741
but i wanna see

I've been using a sette 30 and thinking of upgrading to a eureka mignon libra. is this a mistake? I weigh by hand right now and I find it tedious, plus the obvious upgrade to actually being able to control the grind better

>>21115962
Yeah eurekas are dogshit. If you're drinking anything with any sort of flavor you probably want to stay away from that italian style presentation.

>>21116001
wired gourmet has made about a dozen videos on the Specialita and Libra combined and he loves it
which means its shit and should be avoided.
like im sure you can make it work and make good coffee with it if thats all you have or are able to get one for cheap but for the price you can get much better.
i think the Niche Zero is around the same price and is better
oh and the Eureka Mignon Oro also seems to be garbage
WG took apart and rebuilt the libra twice and at the end of the day it still seemed to be sub par for the price.
the fact he had to check literally every piece of electronics, every wire just to make sure it worked correctly is all you need to know to steer clear.
why cant Italians into electricity?

I got a hand grinder and 500g of local roaster beans for xmas and it tasted real good at first, but now after almost 1 month I went through 90% of it and it literally tastes worse than preground
I'm storing it in a tin jar with a rubber gasket, I thought it was enough but apparently not
What should I do apart from only buying 250g bags from now on?

>>21116201
Did you grind it all at once a month ago?

>>21116201
any idea when it was roasted?
if youre opening the jar every day, youre exposing it to air and accelerating staling

>>21116206
what's the ideal then, dividing it into four mason jars and using one at a time?

>>21116215
even better if you can remove as much air from those jars/containers as possible
and even better is doing that and then freezing it
but just make sure you dont freeze. thaw, freeze, thaw.
like if you had 1kg of coffee you would split it into 4 containers, take as much air out of 3, leave 1 out to use, then put those 3 in the freezer, then when finished with the first 250g portion you take 1 container from the freezer and thaw it overnight and then use that and so on.

>>21116206
I stupidly threw away the bag so no roasting date sorry

>>21116205
No I grind 14g twice a day

>>21116218
Thanks. I'll keep them in their original ziploc bag and squeeze out as much air as possible every time. Someone should make a video about how fast beans degrade in flavour

>>21116222
>squeeze out as much air as possible every time.
you can use a straw to suck out extra air that sits between the beans that isnt able to be squeezed out.

I percolate the first bit of coffee through the aeropress and then add more so I can get ~450ml from it, am I stupid

>>21116295
could you draw a picture to demonstrate this technique?

>>21116303
>85
thats at least 5-7c too low anon.

>>21116310
I can try brewing 90 in the morning but 85 tasted better than a near boil with the coffee I have right now (a supermarket arabica "medium" roast)

>>21116295
if you like the coffee, then who cares

>>21116316
because I'm open to playing around with my variables, I know some people would strongly argue it'd be better to use more ground coffee to brew stronger and then dilute instead of my weird method

Or is it even weird, do other people do it?

>>21116323
have you tried that technique?
it can produce pretty good coffee, depending on the beans
but its probably gonna be pretty different compared to the way youre making it

i believe i heard someone on yt mention a similar method to yours, if you care so much

okay I bought a kingrinder k6. I really hope I don't regret it

>>21116345
its a great piece of kit
love mine

>>21116348
did it make your coffee taste better?

>>21116353
absolutely
but i was upgrading from a generic ceramic burr POS
so it wasnt exactly a high bar to hurdle

blonde roast cold brew and half & half, simple as

i just "inherited" a coffee bean grinder. i already use a french press so i figured might as well do it well.
gonna buy some arabica beans from ethiopia, that's from where i hear they are good.
any tips on grinding for a french press? should i grind them to dust or to a coarse gravely texture?
should i grind before every coffee or should i grind in bulk and then store in a... airtight container? glass?

>>21116416
>should i grind before every coffee
yes
>should i grind in bulk and then store in a... airtight container? glass?
no

I AM DRINKING DECAF

>>21116416
>gonna buy some arabica beans from ethiopia, that's from where i hear they are good.
that was true 10 years ago when exceptional coffee was dirt cheap and there was little competition for green beans at auctions. now mediocre, at best, lots are much more expensive and worse in quality. doesn't help that Ethiopia is in a civil war and getting fucked by climate change. and they deplete soil and move on to new, often inferior farming land. and their government uses it as a cash crop so quantity > quality.

I really can’t tell a difference between two different light roast beans half the time in espresso
t. Gaggiuino + DF64

I tried a moka shot (allegedly brewed with an aeropress filter) after months of filter coffee only and what a shock, the coffee tasted strong and “bitter” (it wasn’t though).

How do you people switch from a brewing style to another? Do you alternate them between periods of time or drink multiple coffee styles during the day/week?

I’ll be getting an E&B moka because it’s the one i‘ll work with every day during the training. The aluminium got me in the end.

>>21116596
what the fuck are you talking about
>I’ll be getting an E&B moka because it’s the one i‘ll work with every day during the training.
finally you will be able to make good coffee.

>>21116596
>How do you people switch from a brewing style to another?
I alternate between v60 and espresso based upon how I am feeling that day.
If I get some shitty beans I'll use them to make cold brew instead of throwing them away

>>21116495
i see, what'd be the other best place to get it from?

>>21116670
Jamaica Blue Mountain
smooth, sweet, and arabic with full body

>>21116671
ty ty!
also soil depletion, is it possible to do coffee without soil depletion, or at least not that it degrades within decades?

>>21116596
>How do you people switch from a brewing style to another?
I don't.

>>21116596
>or drink multiple coffee styles during the day/week?
sure
this morning i had a filter
then at night i had a moka
you just move the grinder adjustment to the right number and grind the beans for that brew method.

>>21116672
Don't take him serious. He's goofing around.

In regard to soil depletion, like most crops, coffee won't deplete the soil as quickly if you manage crop rotation and soil amendment properly. but as stated in >>21116495 many Ethiopian growers these days don't care about the long term and just want to milk the cashcow.

>>21116621
LOL

>>21116780
I wasn’t asking about how to grind, my question was more focused on the mouthfeel.
I had my taste adjusted on sweet and light filter coffee for months and trying a moka felt a lot different because I wasn’t used to it anymore, sort of like when I started drinking filter coffee and it all tasted like water to me, but not anymore.

All of my pourovers are insanely fruity. Like there's just a shit ton of sugar. Do I just need to go with a darker roast or is there something I'm doing wrong.
Everything online says I need to grind coarser, but my water filters through so quickly already that I think I'd barely get a brew going if I did that.

>>21116947
Try a different region, ime south and central american beans tend to lean floral and africans are more citrusy.

>>21116947
...isn't that a good thing?

>>21116985
oh good idea, I should consider my selection as well
as a noob I forget that beans don't always translate well across methodology

>>21117004
yeah, but it's even more than I'm wanting
I'm getting almost all acid and sugar with no pyrazines
or at least my palate isn't noticing them

>>21116947
Is it your water, do you have super soft water with no carbonate buffer?

>>21117059
my water is actually not great
should I be utilizing bottled water?

>>21117070
I mean, no harm in brewing a cup with it and seeing if that makes the difference in toning down the fruitiness from Ru Paul levels to a mere David Bowie

>>21117080
true I'll give it a go

>too lazy to make a proper milk drink
>make dalgona with instant cafe bustelo
>not even that bad
say la vee

Wush wush kind of sunday. 50th birthday pepe should be rested and ready by friday.

attention sprocels: this is a reminder to clean your water reservoir

imagine having moving parts and reservoirs and pieces you can't just throw in the dishwasher

>>21116670
there is still tons of fantastic coffee being produced in ethiopia with restorative farming practices, despite the market expanding. rather than worry about one origin versus another in terms of quality, simply buy coffee from microroasters who roast light and are transparent about their sourcing. if they give a shit about coffee and take pride in their work, theyll only buy high quality coffee grown with good practices, because light roasts cannot hide defects and poor quality the way dark roasts can, and because it just makes sense to support farmers who will continue to be able to provide excellent greens.
>>21116596
i always start the day with a moka brew and usually follow it with an aeropress brew because there is less thinking and technique involved in those methods, at least once you know what youre doing. then i have a pour over or two. it cannot be understated how much getting an E&B lab filter and gasket improved my moka brew, btw, so i hope you like your pot. which on are you getting?
>>21116947
can you describe your methodology? im more curious than anything, as im always chasing sweetness in the cup.
>>21117312
hell yeah brother

>>21117339
Descaled my kettle and distiller, fresh set of orings and molykote on Jan 1st. Ahlstrom 909s are in the mail. Going to be a good year for spro.
>>21117377
Pic rel.(I'm glad people save the shitty pictures I repost)

>>21116947
Nothin' wrong with a little fruity, honey.

My family member is still blacksmithing my pot. That first cup of cowboy coffee is going to hit the spot.

>>21117312
>50th birthday
That's a long-ass rest.

>>21117492
Lot of time and effort for it to sit around in my freezer for the next 6 months.
>From Pepe:
>Harvest date: 25 July 2024 ( my 50th birthday ) -unique lot -
>Process :
>-50 hour cherry fermentation in sealed tank
>-Depulp and 24 hour mucilage fermentation
>-Slow dry with dark room for 35 days
>Cultivar : original 2011 Sydra lot

>>21117507
Sounds interesting. Hope you enjoy, Anon!
Do give us a brief review when you brew it.
Hell, give us a long writeup if you want.

If I typically like coffee with a little cream and sugar and I'm playing around with the recipe, should I be tasting it black to reduce variables or with my standard dose of adulterants for consistency?

I bought some new beans to try with my new accessories for my espresso machine. Is there a period of adjustment taste wise? I've changed beans countless times but I mean with a new method etc. Before I used to just use the most basic way entirely. Now I'm using a wdt, naked portafilter, puck screen, df54 etc. It tastes more flavourful but also noticeably sour. The flow was very even, I was surprised watching it come out and the colour was nice. However it did come out too fast, 22g/24s. Grind finer?

>>21117619
with your standard dose of adulterants for consistency

>>21117623
>sour
>fast
>Grind finer?
yes

>>21117623
>Grind finer?
Yes. Shot should be little slower, especially if it's tasting sour.

>>21117623
Sour and fast extraction => under extracted
Probably grind finer and maybe increase your ratio (~2 more grams out)

THE NEW
>>21117647
>>21117647
>>21117647

>>21117017
why don't you just up the ratio so it's more diluted
will save you coffee too

the same process that creates crema is also why divers die of the bends, your blood literally foams up like a fresh espresso and you fucking die

I just thought that was a neat connection

>>21117694
Maybe don't go diving in your 'presso machine, dummy.

>>21117339
and your pipes

>>21117619
>should I be tasting it black to reduce variables
yeh but just a sip or two, then add in what you like and see how that tastes.

>>21118281
tastes like coffee

>>21116416
You can get great beans from lots of places, and using a grinder will yield fresher results, so you might discover some taste preferences you did not know you had. I light of that, don't buy beans in bulk; give yourself a chance to try a variety of origins, roast levels, and processes.
>should i grind before every coffee or should i grind in bulk and then store in a... airtight container? glass?
Grind before each brew, and store unused beans in the bag they came in with the air purged. I hope you enjoy your grinder, fren.