>>39669287
>only my shit is real, all the other shit is woowoo
>and you can't refute this
lol ok

>>39669297
I didn't say it is real, but you can experience some form of relaxation and mind clarity through meditation. That's the only thing you can experience, you can't experience the influences from the star on your life

Existence is literally paranormal.

>>39669308
i disagree because there's ways to test that it's not just in your head and that it's mind over matter or at least precognition. it's refutable, it's scientifically falsifiable

>>39669287
What a dumb post. You also have your gaming PC and your GPU. Grow up.

>>39669806
>You also have your gaming PC and your GPU
>Grow up.
...

Holy fuck the absolute state of christcucks losing their minds over basic meditation. These mental vegetables completely sperg out at the mere suggestion of sitting quietly with their thoughts because they're too terrified of the chaos brewing in their own heads.

Pure weapons-grade projection watching these psychological disasters screech 'DEMON POSSESSION' at the idea of basic self-reflection. These turbospergs are so fucking unstable they need constant noise and religious COPE just to avoid facing their own internal shitstorm. Maximum kek at these subhumans being more scared of their own thoughts than any supposed demon.

Imagine being such a complete mental trainwreck that sitting quietly for 5 minutes triggers a full psychological meltdown. These bottom-feeding NPCs will literally accuse you of satanic practices for suggesting they might benefit from shutting the fuck up occasionally and examining their own severe cognitive disorders. The absolute state of watching them reveal they're the actual demons they're so scared of - pure concentrated projection from creatures too unstable to face their own reflection without having a complete psychological break.

>>39669848
you're a pretty good writer man

>>39669287
My dream journal experience from last night:
>I was in an open air shopping center and I was thinking about how in order to be enlightened all I need to do is let go of craving, then I started thinking about how everything I was craving was impermanent. Then I saw a reason to let go of craving, because anything I crave I will lose. It was the coupling of the understanding of impermanence and the letting go of attachment that seemed to cause a never before felt bliss and freedom arise within me. I was walking around feeling like all of a sudden I “had” everything—the whole universe—because I didn’t need it. I woke up soon after with the feeling gone.
I really thought I was enlightened at first (in the dream), or at least had made some significant progress on the path, but oh well. I'm probably nowhere near close. I just hope I get that again.

>>39669994
LOL
R
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YOU WILL NEVER REALIZE ANYTHING

shut up fag

>>39669287
What we call the "paranormal" it's an alternate state of the mind that came from a Hack of the mind. We create ourself a trauma that put the brain in a certain state that allow reprogramming ourselves then magic happen. Meditation allow to change perspective or point of view in the abstract mind and train the mind to stay longer in that state.

>>39669287
When meditating I will see waves, pulses, cirlces of color and light if different colors. What does this mean?

>>39670012
Jesus Christ died for your sins. To have salvation all you have to do is repent and accept Jesus' gift of salvation.

>>39670068
>When I meditate X happens
>What does it mean
The answer is always ignore it and keep meditating, even if you are walking through walls literally like an end of life Dzogchen master about to attain the rainbow body.

>>39669848
based

meditation is truly where the answers lie. Monroe, Swann, Joe McMonegele were all great remote viewers and had basically mastered obes.

>>39670139
Christianity lead to Moksa but Buddhism is already way ahead.

>>39670068
>When meditating I will see waves, pulses, cirlces of color and light if different colors. What does this mean?
it takes some time for the nerves to transition their mode of operation from yang to yin
these phosphenes in your eyes from the prior sentence

>>39670139
>The answer is always ignore it and keep meditating
this is correct
do not pay attention to the scenery

>>39669287
>placebo
who let the scientoids on the board?

>>39669287
meditation helped me put my past into words or at least helped me vent it out to myself, while separating fact from delusion, and helped me realize how retarded i was before, while validating where i deserve to be and the people who i chose to be with, and walk away from, just helps me "think" right while rushing while i overwhelm myself with other shit

>>39669365
This

>>39669848
I'm not a christcuck, but even Christians have meditational techniques. I don't know what sort of bible thumpers you're complaining about but the Christian world is varied.

>>39669287
ok but the rest of us will take hallucinogens
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=za-6RgoJer4

And how should one meditate OP?

Answer me these 2 questions please:

1) How should I meditate?
2) What truly is meditation and what does it do?

>>39669297
as you can see, buddhists are mature and not like the other religions!

>>39671457
Just go on youtube, search for "yoga nidra" and do a quick 10 minutes guided session. All you must do is lay on your bed and close your eyes while following what the video tells.

>>39671457
notop
assuming you're not ironyposting
you're really best off learning anapanasati properly right from the getgo
then the rest of the other things can have a better foundation and basis for their usage
meditation cultivates the awareness
the ability to focus
restores the jing when done enough
which translates to health, never sick
t. 18+ years free of colds, allergies, etc
read olfactoryanon
>>39587317

>>39669287
Nah. It’s God.

>>39671457
Meditation is deliberate focus of awareness.
There are many ways to do it, and for many reasons.
OP apparently wanted to use meditation to experience the partanormal, and that is possible.
OP is also likely thinking of meditation as only one thing, and only for one reason because they have been convinced it is so by dogmatists and the media.

yeah but meditation is hard

>>39669287
Nuh-uh!

>>39669365
Unironically this. Just a bunch of atoms experimenting with existence. A bunch of atoms that form an organ that studies itself (the brain). A bunch of atoms that can see the past (memories) the present and the future (imagination) with absolutely no effort. So effortlessly that it doesn't shock anyone that we're just a bunch of talking atoms.

>>39674211
>OP apparently wanted to use meditation to experience the partanormal
gay

>>39669297
I can tell you don't practice meditation. Humble yourself, little faggot.

>>39675291
"Atoms" are not even real, retarded soience troon.

Redpill me on TM:
>>>\tv\208040207

>>39677082
>obviously doesn't practice meditation either
lmao keep screeching

>>39671457
I've never been good at meditating but I'm good at smoking weed. People talk shit but being sober is a trip in itself like you might be feeling like we should go to war with another country and then you smoke weed and you decide maybe you were being idk dramatic. Again, not good at meditating but there's a chance that meditating while stoned could be good. Or maybe it's alcohol. Weed kinda makes me think more, alcohol sorta quiets my inner monologue and maybe you need to be quiet before you can meditate so yeah

>>39669287
These 2 options are both insane as fuck
Either it's all inside our heads, and reality is bulit up inside of our brain through our eyes.
Or we have the perfect lenses both in our brain and eyes to see reality perfectly and browse it.
Both of these are paranormal as fuck to me. We either bulid up reality like in the Matrix, or we have an all seeing eye inside of our head called the brain. No other option. And people don't seem to give one single shit about this insanity

>>39669848
based

>>39669994
“You’re” “own” thoughts are independent entities.

>>39669287
>tfw no gf
>roll incel thoughts
>feel drained from impotent rage
>try to meditate for half an hour
>still feel like shit
When does it get better?

>>39669287
In what you wrote you could replace the first letter "t" in meditation with a "c" (esp. in the form of hallucinogens) and it would still make sense.

>>39678109
half hour is good for thoughts.
you mention emotions, which is a slow juicy thought.
to reach emotion level much more effort and time is needed.
you can switch reasoning/thought very fast, but emotions take days to change. so, your brain is still the same when meditating, calming down thoughts will be much faster than emotions.

train for longer than half hour, if emotion is your aim, just half hour will be very little.

>>39669287
i try to meditate but get anxious and start manually breahting, which makes me more anxious

>>39678561
Nta but do you need to do anything specific?
I also meditate half an hour every day and try to just focus on awareness. Going for about two months now. Still have many negative emotions, even though I'm at least better at catching them now

>>39677628
Ancient meditation technique commercialized by grifting gurus that midwits eat up like the slop hogs they are, having been conditioned to only do things if marketed at. It's just repeating a mantra (word) in your head, and it does work - autists do it instinctually but its called stimming when they do it - but they want you to pay for that and flair it up with pseudoscientific gobbledygook. Babbys first meditation tek I've heard it referred as. I do it and it works for me.

Here's how to do "it" if you want to try it out for yourself. For an authentic experience, read in an indian accent and flush a hundred dollar bill down the toilet as many times as you need.

1. Pick your mantra (aka a word) you'll be repeating in your head. Had you paid for the course, a special man would've picked for you from a list of hindu gods. Just pick a word that you vibe with and rolls off the tongue (in your mind), like "sneed" for example.

2. Set a timer for 20 minutes (or 10 if you're afraid to commit and your minutes are too valuable). I use the Insight Timer app, because the default iPhone alert tones fill me with dread.

3. Sit down comfortably in a quiet space, close your eyes, start the timer, and start repeating "sneed" (or whatever mantra you chose) in your mind. Don't worry about anything else, just keep thinking the word, in whatever rythm you like. If you find yourself thinking something else, just focus back on the word. Don't worry about your breathing, or do, whatever, just as long as you keep repeating the mantra (quietly in your mind, not out loud) Keep doing this for the duration of the timer.

Gratz, you're enlightened! Or at the very least should feel a bit relaxed. If it didn't work for you, maybe you just don't deserve inner peace. Personally, I do find the habit beneficial for focus, and do experience slight "far-out dude" moments. Pretty sure I'll be able to spin a 3d apple in my head if I keep at it. My mantra is a character from a gacha game.

>>39678399
Are you saying that medication is just a placebo?

>>39679099
I laughed imagining Chuddha repeating
"Millions must SNEED" for a million time

>>39669287
>Meditation is probably the closest thing we can do to get a glimpse of a "paranormal" experience in our daily life.
I'm getting close to OBE state again. As usual, it feels like my body is getting torn apart when I do. Definitely not a peaceful process for everyone. At least the pain isn't actually real.

>>39679099
Good summary. I once read that the best mantras have this vibrational sounds, something incomporating that famous OHMMmmmm for example. Dont really know if its the case, but i use the one with it for a long time and have good results so i never changed it. So ill add that.

About that sounds also, i remember when i was a kid, when my mom was vaccuming with old russian loud as fuck cleaner, i could indunce onto myself almost instantly some meditative state, very relaxing and taking over my whole body. I loved that moments, always on Saturdays ill wait for it. I also remember it only worked with my mom being in another room, it created this perfect sound, as soon as she walked with it to room i was in, it was to loud and disrupted the process.

Is it possible to use meditation to make yourself more confident? Or extremely motivated, mentally sharp, etc?

Start by counting your breaths. If you get distracted, start over at one.
Begin with 2-3 minutes per day and slowly work your way up.

>>39675291
Yeah, there is literally zero reason for subjective experience to exist. No explanation of why, or even really how, despite how much neuroscientists, or psychologists, or philosophers, or physicists like to try. Qualia is evidence of the paranormal, except it's so widespread that it ceases to be "para" normal and is just normal, despite the fact that it makes no empirical sense. We're walking contradictions.

This.
<--- picrel

>>39679396
Try it
>>39679099

I mean i get dejavu before something bad happens in my life so i think that counts as somewhat paranormal

>>39679870
I already meditate pretty regularly, but I never tried it with a mantra before. Would you suggest I just repeat the word 'confidence' then or something along those lines?

>>39679455
Yeah humans are so far removed from reality that they forget that they are literally and unironically made of magic.

>>39680107
The word isn't the point, "it doesn't matter", it's just something you use to actively keep your sub-conscious occupied, and direct your attention. It's just a tool, not-affarmation, and you aren't conjuring up anything, you're exercising your free will over instincts. Don't overthink it.

And just to be clear, it's a silent mantra meditation, so you just repeat the word in your head, in silence.

>>39675291
>fleshy hands typed this
think with your nous
you're the thetan, not the body

>>39678561
thoughts arise in the mental body
emotions arise in the etheric body
there's a whole 'nother body in between them, the astral body
study esoteric anatomy

>>39679099
>a special man would've picked for you from a list of hindu gods
that's not how they do it

>>39680456
Gotcha. Maybe I'll alternate this with my usual meditation, thanks

>>39669766
mfw
>>39670044
more
>>39673922
dubs
>>39674211
than

>>39678399
any
>>39679099
blue
>>39679244
eisenhower
>>39679255
november
>>39679455
thread

>>39679600
check
>>39680677
em
>>39680688

>>39669287
I meditated for 9 years, usually an hour each day every day. One time I opened my eyes, which is something I had never done before. Floating in front of me was something that looked like a Start Trek Tribble. It was grey, hairy and 5-6 inches across. It swayed back and forth for about 4-5 seconds then it immediately shrank down to a dot and disappeared. I felt as if the damn thing was watching me.

>>39679455
It doesn't make sense per se but there'd be no universe without us. There could be I guess but there'd be nobody there to experience it.

>>39669365
>Existence is literally paranormal.
>Existence is literally beyond existence.
>Existence is literally not existence.
>A is literally not A.
Pseudery of the highest degree.

>>39680746
Meditation is about moving your awareness from the body, to outside the body then from outside the body to outside of outside of the body.

By being not the mind (thoughts) and not the body (sensations) you become the Creator before Heaven and Earth were created, you become the pure consciousness outside the Maya, outside the matrix, outside the illusory self and outside the illusory world around you, you become the Son of God or God of your own kingdom : the real Magician.

>>39678109
Never. Life is suffering.

>>39669287
How about psychedelics?
I know, I know... not a path to real enlightenment, maybe it's a shortcut a crutch, or maybe a total disvirtuation of the spiritual path.
But you can deny that psychedelics can send you in a fucking journey inside your own subconscious.
Also lucid dreaming.

>>39674211
What does that even mean

>>39669287
Psychedelics BTFO meditation, you're still toes deep in the kiddy pool

>>39682122
>Meditation is about moving your awareness from the body, to outside the body then from outside the body to outside of outside of the body
that this takes place at some point does not at all whatsoever indicate that "meditation is about this"

>>39682796
nta
cultivate long chains of ungapped awareness
and from this comes the fruits of meditation

>>39669287
I just can't seem to meditate properly and I hate it. Its like whenever I "try" to meditate all of a sudden everything distracts me. Me body aches and my breathing feels awkward. I try to cast those thoughts away but then I end up thinking to hard. Its like I've created some mental demon that intentionally spites myself whenever I try to do it and the more I try and fail the harder I make it for myself. I'm to much of a loser to get drugs so I got to do it myself.
What am I doing wrong?

>>39682502
>not a path to real enlightenment
Correct, 'enlightenment' is a fake concept, while more true than the majority of concepts humans are capable of formulating, it's still a product of our own self-created reality and has no intrinsic spiritual value. It's just an objective reflection of the material reality beamed into our minds that we modified for our own benefit, not much else. Maybe a temporary feeling like you have 'escaped' the play, but you'll die all the same

Psychedelics on the other hand show you a reality that does not exist in the material sense. That's true ascension. In turn, you'll have to give up everything, including your memories and self, and everything you know, including the concepts of conscious separation from the world. it's 'suicide' in the most literal sense. Most people don't kill themselves unless they have a really good reason. It's up to you. Meditation isn't much different, but the consequences aren't real

>>39681480
>there'd be no universe without us
Who says there's no universe? You can only see your own reality because your brain tricks you into thinking you are separate from the rest of it all.. Who says the rocks and the sun aren't experiencing something far removed from yourself? Consciousness isn't some delicate state only reproducible by the brain.

>>39682955
I've done this for years, it leads nowhere near the brute benefit a relaxing meditation like yoga nidra provides. I'm warning you so you don't go ocd about it like I've done. Meditation is supposed to be restful, what you are describing is concentration, it's effortful like pumping iron.

>>39682994
>What am I doing wrong?
you're not mastering anapanasati

>>39683007
>Correct, 'enlightenment' is a fake concept
immediately discarded
the ignorant should not even bother to speak of this topic

>>39683698
He knows he is wrong and thus cannot bring up an argument. Shameful.

>>39683017
>I want to just relax
then be happy with relaxing and not making much of any meditative progress
>but it shouldnt be work
well, making progress IS work, if you want real progress you put in the work or you dont get the fruits
there's no such thing as spiritual welfare my guy
>meditation is supposed to be restful
conflating outcomes and process
its annoying when people want to make progress but cant even see the benefit of putting in the work
serious disconnect there

this goddamn world is just the opposite of meditation so bad, like how do you meditate when you are behind on bills n shit lol the first step to meditation is being super rich or giving up on not being dirt poor

>>39683709
spiritual light is real
but those who have no manifested it may question it
their words are simply ignorant
is what it is, ignorance

>>39683733
Should've just said you're a worthless retard to begin with

>>39683718
dont think about bills when you're meditating
spend the time to drop everything for a little bit every day

>>39683733
hylic

lol what do you even tell these sad sacks that lash out at you
the good part is, unless the reader's retarded they're going to see pretty clearly

>>39682502
in the rights hands psychedelics is the best there is. don't expect it to tell you the answers up front. there is a meta. if you put half as much effort into the psychedelic state as you do with meditation you would know everything

>>39683813
>in the rights hands psychedelics is the best there is.
there's quite simply nothing like the arising spark of spiritual light
psychadelics are a hack that's just very artificial
and by that I mean dmt because shrooms and lsd are mid tier at best

>>39683844
the worst psychedelic is a million times better than you praying with your eyes closed, faggot

>>39683844
>very artificial
I would not call it artificial, but they are 'forced', and you are quite literally not thinking straight but the glances of knowledge you get from these induced states are absolutely austoning.
REAL knowledge, not only information, to remember a information is one thing, to truly know is another. And psychedelics 'force' you to truly know.
But there's definitely consequences for forcing this process.
I never meditate seriously but I want to try it.

>>39683869
There are illusion, the point of enlightenment is not to jerking on dmt trip, but to know you are God.

>>39683715
Are you retarded?

>>39682952
Meditation is about to make the Creator our Mind to take a rest. Doing so we fuse with the all there is. Is to become like the child that just has been born.

Just siting and doing nothing, this is the God School.

ITT: shitskin cope

>>39684498
nah you're a midwit

>>39685130
LOL Timmy is so MATI at Indians for stealing his girlfriend

Why are people seething at meditation ITT? Such low IQ takes

>>39685545
because it works

why is meditation so based and why does it make godless people seethe?

>>39685545
Because most can't describe it. Few have done it and even fewer care to discuss it.

>>39685602
It's the great mirror of reality and people of all stripes don't like what they see. I'll put it this way, around the time Tibet organized the state religion, they required 100,000 prostrations, mandala offerings, mantras, and guru dedications; just so everyone was on an even playing field to start a more elaborated form of something similar to zen meditation. It takes that much "penance" to burn the karma out of most people so they can reliabily sit and do nothing for a few minutes.

>>39685653
Interesting, so, what do you advice the average person living in a western society nowadays to do? Can he just sit in meditation or he really needs to do offerings and prostrations?

>>39684187
>I never meditate seriously but I want to try it.
most wont have the stomach to really carry it far
simply because it takes time to build the gung necessary to support things like the spiritual light
poor method inconsistently applied doesnt get one much of anywhere

>>39684498
>but to know
its just not an intellectual pursuit of knowing anything

>>39684534
if you want foo foo relaxation meditation, go to plebbit or some shit
relaxation is part of it all, if you cant focus and be relaxed then you should perhaps look in the mirror and ask what you just asked

>>39686202
nta
you arent looking to cull favor with the buddhas, though if they are correct then merit simply affects karma in a positive way just as bad deed affect karma in a negative way
those who feel the need perhaps just have that atonement built into them this lifetime for a reason

>>39685545
Christcucks have overrun this board. They ruin every single interesting/quality thread.

>>39669848
As a Christian, my issue with meditation is that it removes any sort of foundation which one may have, which opens up people to "demonic" possesion.

The thoughts which we have are very precious to us because they keep us grounded in the faith.
If one truly meditates, he reaches a state where he lets go of everything, leaving him in a state where he drifts in the void. This leaves you vulnerable to external influences to take over your psyche and to shape you according to their will.
Christians already have a will to which we adhere to, we do not wish to depart from it, nor do we wish expose ourselves to danger

There is also a Christian form of meditation, where one lets go of everything except biblical doctrine, thus making the scriptures the pillars of our existence.

So.. the goal is to become that what lies beneath/behind/above "ourselfs"?

>>39686587
>As a christian, I can't envision a life of ethic without reinforcement via fire and brimstone, therefore I do not participate in things which require me to be an entirely independent being
Demons don't exist, pure anti-psychological cope and the nature of meditation makes one immune to spiritual attack by nature of the practtice.

But you wouldn't know that, because you're an indoctrinant who is told to fear the invisible.

>>39669287
>even if meditation was just a placebo effect (and it probably is)
>even if lifting weights was just a placebo effect (and it probably is)
>even if bathing was just a placebo effect (and it probably is)
Lord, have mercy on this poor anon.
And why is it that atheists take refuge in Buddhism?

>>39686841
OP said nothing about Buddhism

>>39679016
Try bringing your attention to something else, like the contact between your tight arse and the floor or cushion, or the darkness behind your eyes. Whatever you feel like

>>39686202
Sitting works, the Chan schools just facetank it all through not giving a fuck and if you make it, you make it. They also do quite a bit of offerings and prostrations in the temple, there's all that other monastic ritual involved, but just doing it also works. It's part of a whole system and meditation is like step 5 of 8 according to the theravadins and most hindus. Some can walk in and sit and figure it out.

Honestly, if you know about it and want to do it for the sake of it, you probably have the merit for it. Most of us have at least seen the bull already. It's everyone who hasn't that's a problem.

>>39686840
contrary to popular belief, demons are not horned beasts that rape you. They come and go as thoughtforms and they multiply by attaching to people who are not concecrated and Holy.

meditation alone can't protect you, because the nature of the practice is to deconstruct the self till there is nothing left, making you open and vulnerable in the process.
Men need structure to their life because we do not live in a vacuum, we are within a hotile world that seeks to destroy us. Nature and other men are your enemies and they constantly seek to put you in the dirt.

You need protection and a foundation, meditation doesnt offer any of that, so meditation by itself is not the answer

>>39686587
>As a Christian, my issue with meditation is that it removes any sort of foundation which one may have, which opens up people to "demonic" possesion.
this is fucking retarded
>removes any sort of foundation
your pastor is an idiot
>The thoughts which we have are very precious to us because they keep us grounded in the faith.
random thoughts are an energetic balancing mechanism
they only disappear through focused awareness and mind/breath conditioning
this does not affect the ability to willfully think at all whatsoever
>If one truly meditates, he reaches a state where he lets go of everything, leaving him in a state where he drifts in the void. This leaves you vulnerable to external influences to take over your psyche and to shape you according to their will.
this line of thinking is spiritual cancer
begone from conversations you know nothing of and have nothing to offer

>>39686840
I'm he who just lambasted that dumb christcuck
but I will tell you in no uncertain terms that noncorporeal entities are very real
possession can only happen when its asked for, that's the part those idiots were never told
they think that shit happens if they undertake real spiritual cultivation
its an offense against their human birthright and they are too ignorant to know it

>>39669287
Maybe monks are remote viewing

>>39686926
>demons are just thoughtforms
sympathetic resonances thereof are not those actual things
>meditation alone can't protect you, because the nature of the practice is to deconstruct the self till there is nothing left, making you open and vulnerable in the process
cultivating energy potential and a solid mind helps you, the other 3 parts of that run on sentence are mere disinformation
>You need protection and a foundation, meditation doesnt offer any of that, so meditation by itself is not the answer
now we reach the crux of the matter, because you've been taught to believe that a human cannot have spiritual powers unless god himself fucks your mother and you're jesus fucking christ the only person in history to ever have spiritual powers.
except jesus was not the only person with spiritual powers
he taught that you dont need the church to commune with god
but the pharasitical rewrites of his legacy that you follow are just filled with idiocy that's designed to keep you away from ever attaining spiritual power much less actual spiritual enlightenment. keeping you weak and afraid and unable to protect yourself, teaching to be scared of cultivating your awareness and harnessing this to produce real spiritual light and power.
break out of the box you've been placed in or you will simply open your next set of physical eyes without realizing the spiritual raping that took place just prior because you gave it to yhvh the blood egregore thinking its god

>>39683007
Why are the ignorant always the most confident?

>>39686587
You know that Christian Monks enter in trance state and meditate too right? If you repeat over and over the Our Father or the Ave Maria, it will become a muscle memory, then after thousand repetition you'll be tired and then you'll enter in the trance state. If your are afraid then put you Golden Divine armor of Light that repeal any bad entity and call the name of Jesus will make those demons vanish, it's that simple.

>>39683715
Progress and meditation are antitheses. Meditation is about ending this endless need to get somewhere

>>39686587
> If one truly meditates, he reaches a state where he lets go of everything, leaving him in a state where he drifts in the void.
He doesn't knows about the '40 days and night in the desert' meaning...

>>39686202
You know how after an intense bout of activity or day's work you can just crash on the couch and stare at the wall all gormed out? It's like that. If we don't spend our pent up physical and mental energy we get itchy and irritable when we try to force ourselves to sit still. That's why spirituality is often paired with lots of physical work, or martial arts, or yoga.
If you struggle to sit still try picking up a physically engaging hobby. After a few laps up and down the pool it will be laughably easy to just sit.

>>39686970
>>39687045
i spoke to God, or rather, he spoke to me through the practice of meditation, so i am well aware of it's power, but i am also aware of it's dangers.
>because you gave it to yhvh the blood egregore thinking its god
ah yes, gnosticism, not suprised that a dedicated meditation practitioner such as yourself is also a Satanist.

>>39687085
>40 days and night in the desert
you mean that time when Satan confronted Jesus? Meditation is a door to the spiritual and you become a subject to Satanic attacks, the same way Jesus did, but unlike Jesus you are a simple man. If you meditate without foundation you are doomed.
>>39687062
> If you repeat over and over the Our Father or the Ave Maria
such a pagan practice
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking

>>39679387
Cool story. Very cool picrel.
Yeah, everything in existence vibrates with a unique pattern (that's science) which produces a unique sound. When one finds silence, one can hear these sounds. The sounds of the stars and planets are said to be heavenly. Apparently Om is the combined sound of the whole universe—like the ever so subtle, every-present background hum—as well as the sound of the Sun. Different sections of our body have different sounds, these are the chakras, but like the universe, the sum of the body's parts resonate Om.

>>39682122
>Meditation is about moving your awareness from the body, to outside the body

How do I do that? I've been meditating for half a year now and focusing on my body is how I do it, I watch my body and its breathing becoming calmer.

Maybe what you described is the next step?

>>39687069
NTA but that "ending this endless need" sounds like a progress also, no?

>>39687359
Focus on the sense of space the calmness creates. That's the ground state. Some call it consciousness itself, others say it's the base from which thoughts and all things arise and disappear to. Rest in it naturally and watch things arise and fall in it. After that point, you really need to consult a professional of some kind or at least watch videos from chicks and dudes in robes. We're in zhine or calm abiding territory, and while it will take you all the way, having the right view and doing more from it gets subtle and beyond my ability to talk about.

>>39687116
>such a pagan practice
This is the way to tire you faster so you can enter in trance state easily.

>40 days and night in the desert
Is a meditation metaphor for entering in meditation and fasting on 4 elements : Physical sensation, Emotion feeling, Mind Thoughts and Spiritual beliefs. (Meaning to enter in the Void.) days and night it means to put you in a non dualistic mindset so the Void will become Light (after some time, just wait).
> Satan in desert means
Whatever you see don't look back to avoid to be distracted during the process.

Moses spend 40 days and night on mount Sinai.
Israelite spend 40 years in the desert

>>39687116
If you are so afraid of the Satanic attacks just adopt virtues of a righteous one during the meditation. (7 virtues that are opposite to the 7 sins.)

>>39669287

You don't realize that you're literally broadcasting your self imposed limitations. People who have put in the work and made legitimate spiritual progress have first hand experience with God and spiritual entities. This post is just saying "im not initiated/enlightened so everyone else is lying"

>>39686926
>meditation alone can't protect you, because the nature of the practice is to deconstruct the self till there is nothing left, making you open and vulnerable in the process
If there's no self, there's nothing to protect, nothing to attack, nothing to fear You see these negative thought forms for what they are. Probably just some old trauma hiding in your subconscious. Strict fear based religious upbringing is good at creating these 'demons'.

>You need protection and a foundation, meditation doesnt offer any of that, so meditation by itself is not the answer
Meditation on its own is just a tool, that's why you have spiritual teachers and gurus to guide you through the process.

>>39688329
if there was no self, you wouldn't be able to type these words to me, so there is that as well
The self is the manifestation of your spiritual state
by rejecting " the self", you must replace it with someone else, you simply dont have a choice in the matter because if you dont do it, someone else will do it for you.
If there is nothing to defend, to attack or to fear, then you are no longer among the living, in the literal sense. Only the grave can give you such benefits

>>39688742
The self is a construct and inherently empty, it doesn't have an independent existence. Beyond self there is the creator, original spirit, God. "God watch through our eyes".
Whatever this spirit, divine essence or whatever you want to call it, in us can't get corrupted, only through false identification as "self", ego etc. are you allowing corrupt thoughts and actions of fear, greed, jealousy, lust etc. (sins) to manifest, what you call demons.

>>39669287
>"just" a placebo effect
lul

>>39688742
>the self is the manifestation of your spiritual state
I believe that is narcissism.
The self is more like an emanation of perception. Spirituality or a lack thereof might influence cognition but sensing reality, as in the material world, is a process that is, at its core, unbound by spirituality. I'll stand with the other anon in that there is no metaphysical self; or one that is common to all of creation but it's an all or nothing fallacy so it might as well not be talked about, or at least not with the term "self".
Far from everybody is trying to experience, even partially, with their soul for we'd probably all be ascetic mutes.
>defend, attack or fear
Fight or flight. This is not (You), the self. It's your reptilian brain/other hemisphere, then the self arises and ascribes words and concepts onto it. That instinctive need to keep in control is key to our survival but it's possible to let go of it and experience what you call "attack, defend or fear" not through the self or instinct. It's most likely much different from what you imagine.
Like what the other anon said once again, what is left before/after the self is not a blank page. It's indeed incorruptible and divine in essence. If you reach that state fully and in ernest it's what you make of your "reset self" through what you have learned of that divine essence. It's beyond words and proper to each and everyone's available sensory and biological toolbox.

tl;dr letting go of the self is not a finality it's a new chapter.

yet another method for you meditation sissies

>>39689116

>>39689449
>The self is more like an emanation of perception
Yes. It's the senses that creates a sense of self, the perception from where we view the world and orient ourselves.
Drugs, psychosis and schizophrenia distort our perception of what's real, like taking a magnet to a compass it get scrabbled with no direction.

>>39689541
I agree and
>drugs
that is what I meant by "in earnest". Without alteration.

>>39685602
You are a spirit, one that is being force-fed sensory data from your body, this includes thoughts that your brain has, such as "I want to eat something tasty", "how do I deal with that boss in sekiro", this meme is very funny". By meditating you turn off your spirit from said data, you ignore it all so you can focus on anything else you, not your body, wants. Most times all you will want is peace and silence since all that body noise can be tiresome

>>39687069
>Progress and meditation are antitheses
this thread sucks, there's mostly jackasses

>>39687116
>i spoke to God, or rather, he spoke to me through the practice of meditation
you're not even authorized to speak to god, little man. go talk to your pastor and tell him so he can direct you.
>knowing things the church said not to read makes you a satanist
reminder that satan isnt even a real entity, its just a jewish meme blanket term for all their adversaries, which is pretty much everyone that isnt (((fully)))
>the door to the spiritual automatically means you will be attacked and taken over
this is more ignorant retardation
>if you meditate without foundation
a foundation is to be personally built, you should not use this word you know nothing of
>yhvh will protect me
maybe this egregore will protect you a time or three while you're living, but as you're going to willingly give it your energy when you die thinking its ackshual god, you will fulfill the part about everything being an energy exchange and you wont even realize you'll be giving far more than you took

>>39687359
this is the problem with low IQs trying to learn meditation here
you have no basis to understand what's correct and you attach to things that are dumb and counterproductive, like the post you are replying to.
you have to build energy internally first before it is able to radiate outwards
skip that part and...

>>39688329
>Strict fear based religious upbringing is good at creating these 'demons'.
ding ding ding

>>39688399
the pharasitical meme of the jesus tale is full of the eastern internal alchemy process broken up and sprinkled about willy nilly

>>39689459
>watch the thoughts, just watch them go, dont do anything but watch
more of this retardation again
if you dont cease them you're not making progress

>>39688981
The self being a construct doesn't necessarily mean that it is not you, what you truly are, a representation of you in the physical realm.
The self can bring forth corruption or it can fight it off, it depends in which position you are inclined to lean towards, really.
>Whatever this spirit, divine essence or whatever you want to call it, in us can't get corrupted
Of course it can, the divine essence in you is manifested by your actions. If you perform evil deeds, it's because the source within you lusts for doing such stuff.

>>39689449
>Fight or flight. This is not (You), the self. It's your reptilian brain/other hemisphere
The spiritual world is In a perpetual war and the soul is constantly fighting, whereas the reptilian brain can have moments of peace on the earth and it's not perpetually hostile.
You falsely assume that spirituality brings peace, because your form of spirituality is taking a feminine form, you subject yourself to the conquerors and refuse to fight.

>>39689938
>pastor
I have all the qualifications to be a pastor myself, for I know the Bible inside and out. No need for influencers in my life anymore.
>satan isnt even a real entity
You are free to think that, I am free to disagree.
Satan is more real than you, in my opinion
>egregore
I love this term, I could tell you are from joy of Satan with all the anti-semitism and spiritual teachings.

Either way, I don't mind giving my energies to yhwh, they are mine to give and it just so happens that I'm in love with him.

>>39669287
godspeed, dear anon

>>39690128
>Satan is more real than you, in my opinion
this is not surprising that you cant tell truth from fiction
and its hilarious you're more than willing to give the blood egregore your energy when you go
they brainwashed ya pretty good
anyway, yawn, veritable NPCs arent all that entertaining, and you cant teach them anything because they already have their programming

>>39690084
>doesn't necessarily mean that it is not you
What are you without the eyes or the words of another?
>If you perform evil deeds, it's because
Everything is relative. Your God told you to cast the first stone and forgive the thief.
It's not a matter of good and evil, simple perspective.
>war
I have a non-dualistic perspective so I didn't understand a word you wrote. You'd have to be more specific and tell me about that juxtaposition/dichotomy if you want an answer.
>peace
Now, now. You just put words in my digital mouth it was never about peace. What made you think that?

>>39690084
The self is an illusory body made from clinging to the aggregates that pass through consciousness. It's a "dead" reference point and what is (You) is beyond that collection of habits and inclinations. Anon is right that self is inherently empty. It's more like blowing dust off a mirror so you can see the divine (that boundless space) that is already there than a bunch of things in competition. The thing that lusts isn't you, it's just memes you identify with.

>>39690084
>The spiritual world is In a perpetual war and the soul is constantly fighting, whereas the reptilian brain can have moments of peace on the earth and it's not perpetually hostile.
posts like these should serve as that buoy in Weekend at Bernie's when he fell off the back of the boat and they were running Bernie's dead body into 'em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzzrFFivBKk

>>39690283
>What are you without the eyes or the words of another?
You are a pure stream of conciousness.
>Your God told you to cast the first stone and forgive the thief.
Not quite how the saying goes
"He whoever is without a sin, let him cast the first stone" is what you are thinking of, which is in relation to enacting justice on sexually immoral people. The morality of it is that we are not fit to punish when we ourselves are corrupted and deserving of punishment.
But I don't see why you brought it up, because it doesn't justify doing evil.
>You'd have to be more specific
Your mind is a subject to spiritual influences, most of whom are Satanic and seek to put you in rebellion against Jesus Christ, then there is the Holy Spirit which does the opposite and attempts to keep you in the clutches of Christ, but not everybody has the Holy Spirit, so I wouldn't say that everyone participates in this war. This is a burden for Christian men only.
I know it may be hard for you to hear, but we are not made equal and there is no universal standard of spiritual awareness that is applied to everybody.
Some people are blind and deaf, streams of conciousness that indulge their fallen nature(not the reptilian brain, but their spiritual state)

>>39690250
Thanks for the compliments, I love my programming <3

>>39690378
>I love my programming <3
a true NPC to the core

>>39690360
You give more value to conciousness than for what is worth.
When your body perishes, your conciousness goes along with it.
What remains is your soul, the constructed self, only God can decided to preserve it or not. To grand it conciousness again or not.
The spirit and the soul are two different things.
Conciousness is the life giving spirit, whereas the soul is your individual self.
Both can take away both from you, what decides that is if your soul is worthy to be resurrected into an immortal body.

>>39690411
All of us are more or less an NPC, a self aware NPC has an advantage over the rest

>>39690437
God can take away both*

>>39690437
>accepts he's an npc
thanks for confirming, now go proselytize elsewhere

>>39688399
Mara's daughters are the ultime the temptation.

>>39690536
Why are you so mad? You should meditate a bit and relax

>>39690619
People get extremely dogmatic and think there is only one way to meditate, and for only one reason.
And it angers them beyond belief that others may simply not agree.

>>39690619
I'm not mad, its just annoying having people like you come proselytize in threads like this where you're wholly and completely off topic and act like you're somehow not

>>39669287
>God and demons exist because... Because I believe so, mmkay
Aside from the epistemic roots only theology can satisfy completely, there are evidences for Gos, angels, demons, etc everywhere. Have you been to this board before?

>meditation is all we have, because I’m am 80 IQ carrot who thinks he knows everything, condescendingly looking down his nose at the things he has zero concept of but chooses still to just cough up my shitty non-understanding as if I know and you don’t and that’s why I’m better than you, which is completely antithetical to the core thrust of Buddhist philosophical underpinnings which are ultimately epistemically groundless mmkay

Supercilious cocksucker. What a complete lack of humility. What thread slid iff the board, wasted by this perversion of what is, from better people, a beautiful thing (even lacking that ultimate epistemological/ philosophical grounding)?

I made delicious eggs this morning, spiced with salt, pepper, oregano, sage, and rosemary. It was a glorious power-up. More people should get on my level.

>>39690789
If you are not mad then why do i feel your hostile vibrations from miles away :P
I have done nothing but discuss the essence of meditation, spirituality and the soul.
Just because I do it through the lenses of a Christian, it doesn't mean that it's off topic.

>>39690827
>there are evidences for Gos, angels, demons, etc
What evidence?

>>39690832
>If you are not mad then why do i feel your hostile vibrations from miles away
because you read words and imprint your own emotions onto them
>I have done nothing but discuss the essence of meditation, spirituality and the soul.
nah you're giving some wack retard schema your pastor has been belching at you on sundays since you were a kid

>>39690846
If I had to rely on my upbringing I would be the opposite of a Christian.
I was an extremely violent, perverted and worldly child that believed in evolution.
I didn't give Jesus a honest thought till i was 17.
The way that it works is that the last will be called first, meaning that those who grew up "Christian" have a higher chance of departing from the faith, whereas those who got burned by life and found Christ later on would be more dedicated and faithful.

Does anyone have experience with yidams? There's a Phurpa Drugse Chempa empowerment coming up that I might like to take.

>>39690867
>those who grew up "Christian" have a higher chance of departing from the faith
those that grew up looking for a crutch and some external means of validation, finding all the feelgood things without knowing anything deeper...wind up becoming the worst of you to listen to
go post in christian threads, you simply dont have anything to offer a thread on meditation much less anything related to real spiritual cultivation.
for a better understanding of what happened to the fledgling religion, see video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AGyBvRKPs0

>>39690906
yeah when I did a little bit of 6 yogas of naropa
they arent necessary
some that feel they are lacking and need some external help, I suppose its a workable crutch
but make no mistake its a crutch

>>39690976
So, ngondro and straight to dzogchen is fine?

>>39690967
I have more to offer concerning meditation than you because I considered myself a witch for nearly 8 years.
Just because you cannot handle my criticism of the practice and only want to focus on the "feelgood things" is of no concern to me.
If you relive some trauma because of my presence is not my issue either.

>>39691005
yessir, plenty sufficient

>>39691026
>I have more to offer concerning meditation than you because I considered myself a witch for nearly 8 years.
now that's amusing
and I'm assuming you gave up on this because of sheer lack of results, not knowing that the mage with no internal power is impotent
reliving trauma is illogical, you can stop projecting now

>>39691037
I got all the results which I wanted, even more than that.
I gave up on that path because of a deeply rooted internal strife.
I always valued truth above prosperity, true power above the false sense of such.
Immortality is my goal and my ways of life blocked me from achieving it, thus i had to make a drastic change

My Lama aid to start out by counting your breaths. If you get distracted start over.

>>39669287
Pretty based, bump.

>>39693023
im 25 right now and my "wiccan phase" has nothing to do with what you imagine
i could and still can manifest anything i set my mind on because i understand the subtle symphony of the soul

>>39669287
>fasting
>semen retention
I get your point, but there are other physical practices that yield spiritual results

>>39693296
And yet you don't manifest the social skills to explain your ideas without sounding like a clueless poser. Sad.

>>39669931
But you remember what that experience felt like, right? Next time you meditate, (or, if you don't, the next time you sit quietly and reflect), try recalling the way you felt in the dream. Recall it in as much detail as you possibly can. You might find it a lot easier to regain that feeling than you think.

>>39670139
>The answer is always ignore it and keep meditating
Fucking grade A advice right here (yes I'm being serious).

>>39693632
giving away my wisdom to swine doesn't benefit me at all.
maybe if you ask nicely, i would give you a hint on how to attain infinite riches and how to get all the pussy out there.
or maybe i could have you dead within two weeks. hehe

>>39680746
>>39680751
>>39680756
Checked

>>39669308
>>39669766
Meditation is real and theres been amazing studies been done on it by prestigious schools like Harvard. On the recent Joe Rogan podcast with Mel Gibson Joe even mentions telomeres as well which meditation mysteriously improves. They showed how meditation can literally "regrow" your DNA and decrease aging. This is like quantum mechanics stuff. Read a bit more before you make stupid posts would ya. Even consider people like houdini

>>39681504
>paranormal means beyond existence
Retarded assumption, argument invalid

>>39682149
With that attitude, it most assuredly is.

>>39683718
It's 30 minutes of your day, it's not going to make or break your financial state.

>>39693331
>if i dont touch my winky i'll be blessed with spiritual growth
coomer retards unironically believe god makes it that easy. The "benefits" you experience is just because you being normal again instead of being a homosexual