>>2774558
Decathlon fleece thermal underlayer that goes by the wedze moniker

>>2774558
Milsurp waffle jammies.

>>2774616
are those better than whalmart whaffle jammies? because I bought those and I swear they made me feel colder

>>2774618
You may find that synthetic base layers which wick away sweat very quickly may feel colder. It is possible you are already too warm and sweating, and your outer layer may not be blocking any wind. Natural fibers do tend to feel warmer against the skin for most people, so you may try a wool or merino-synthetic blend.

>>2774558
Just going to pick up some microspikes and waterproof shoes for the occasional snow we get here in the south, I'm plenty warm enough in my 20F bag and puffy even with shorts

>>2774558
I just wear sweatpants underneath my pants when it gets really cold. Well and appropriate socks.

I wear Ouruikia thermals but the sizing's off. I ordered the extra large but the pouch is way too small.

I wish we could see what outtards looked like in their undies
:(

>>2774774
do you wear them backwards and use the pouch as a fecie catcher

>>2774558
https://liquidlogickayaks.com/products/ir-k2-union-suit-xlarge-carbon?variant=47388653519053

I don't wear winter clothing, I'm a hotbody

>>2774791
You're shit at wishing anon.

>>2774900
we had an out underwear thread last year and anon posted his red trunks and he had huge balls so there's precedent

>>2774558
Best and affordable are often unrelated when it comes to base layers. The best ones are thick merino wool, but good luck finding deals on those.

>>2774876
You're a lives in a warm/moderate climate body. No one escapes the laws of thermodynamics.

i cannot use the waffles to move, I feel too hot, even in -10/15C of just wearing the top I felt too hot and had to put a shirt back on

Can't wait. Last winter I tried using a [thin] blanket between the rain fly and the tent and it worked pretty nice. Pic related tent is a 3 season so it's mostly mesh and the blanket cut down the draft and made it darker inside, very comfy. Couple extra pounds in the sled but I think it's worth it for short runs at least.
We usually do short walk ins when the snow is deep so luxury items like chairs and extra blankets aren't a big deal.

I've have good experiences with dilling merino. Also have some woolpower 200 but never used them, it just doesn't get that cold any more over here.

>>2774558
>silvers
You made my day anon, I always wonder how many of us there are left here.

>>2775076
we may never know

Last winter my mum bought me a McKinley merino underlayer from a sale. It's been pretty good. I'd love to own something like picrel, though, but I've got no idea where I could shop for one.

>>2774558
Fishnets (specifically functional ones like Brynje or similar). Dries quick, wicks away moisture, keeps warm if covered with something windproof.
Though I wish I had thought of that when I was going through the rain and snow today.

>people still sleeping on the best baselayer for outdoors
ISHYGDDT

>>2775077
It might just be us based geeps poster

>>2775262
I did this and my group started calling me fishnet. They really do work though

>>2775262
this for bottoms, polartech alpha direct longsleeve on top like a senchi or whoever sells them

>>2775392
did they penus in your but?

I would if I found someone wearing fishnets at camp

>>2774558
Why do americans call them long john silvers?

>>2774558
Something +90% polypropylene

>>2776153
everyone calls them long johns and there is a restaurant in America called long John silvers..... a joke is born.

>>2776744
isn't there also a gay lingerie company that makes like long johns with exaggerated penis pouches that's also called that

>>2776744
Its not a joke, its a regionalizm , many places call them long john silvers after the pirate that wore them

He is also who the restaruant is named after

>>2777007
ö

>>2777028
I dont know what that means

>>2777080
I was seeing if a vertical :O would go over. but get it we're not ready for that yet

>>2777084
Never do that again.

>>2777087
okay º^º

>>2777090
are you a geeps poster?

swedish woolpower, expensive up front but very durable, so not actually expensive.

>>2777190
enjoy being the itchiest man alive

>>2777227
I knew it was you!

>>2777080
>>2777084
holy shit
yeah
don't do that again
:lmao:

>>2777252
ºnº

OKAY what do you guys think of 100% merino wool vs. 50/50 wool/acrylic for thermal layers?

I really like 100% wool for next-to-skin, what I'm looking at would probably be a secondary layer, but definitely not the outermost layer. The inclusion of synthetics improves durability but reduces its versatility from what I've experienced-- that is, wool keeps you comfortable at a very wide range of temperatures before you need to pull layers off, while the mixed stuff is warm and strong but needs to be pulled off quickly if you step into a warmer area. What are your thoughts?

>>2777280
It's specialty equipment not a basic bitch baselayer what are you expecting?

>>2777262
wool is just going to make you itch

>>2777301
How well you know that. Have you considered that not everyone is blessed with baby skin and/or wool allergy like you?

LONG JOHN SILVERS...... AWAY!!!!!!11!!!!

dall-e isn't quite understanding my prompts. was trying to make a long john silver mascot for this thread. either way enjoi

>>2777541
Pretty cool campfire , fuck having a ring

some of those Long John Silvers pics from the old days would kind of show penus a little bit

>>2778025
they would

>>2778025
can um we see some pics of outists in their underwear where you can see penus a little bit...

I just inherited my grandfather's 70 year old wool olive drab blankets. So instead of buying anything with muh science fiber blends, I'm just gonna drape that shit all over my whole situation and be cozy as fuck this winter.

>>2778027
that sounds pretty gay to be quite honest with you anon

>>2777262
Okay I ordered the 50/50 stuff since /out/ was useless and it was $100 cheaper for the set. I'll update you when I can test it, or maybe I won't since /out/ is useless.

>>2778034
based

Winter enjoyers are so stupid yeah lemme put on 50 layers of clothes so it doesn't feel like I'm dying the second I step outdoors. In summer I can just get progressively more naked the hotter it is an its fucking based. Humans should not be living in northern climates.

>>2778155
you don't find winter magical or special at all anon? are you dead inside?

>>2778155
>Humans should not be living in northern climates.
And what'cha gonna do when they do? Then come to colonize your soft southern ass? What then huh?

>>2778155
>so it doesn't feel like I'm dying the second I step outdoors
That's the point though. Just being a man against hostile nature, relying on his gear and fitness to stay alive. Even when I just hiked 5 miles into the forest, it felt magical.
I say felt because we don't have that kind of winter here anymore. Barely goes below freezing these days.

>>2778155
Bullshit, you either don't go /out/ at all or you're a car camper. There's not that many items of clothing to take off so there's no 'progressively more naked', and you're conveniently leaving out how that exposes you to ticks and mosquitoes.

I can always put on an extra layer in winter, but once you're down to the bare minimum in summer you're done for.

>>2778198
I go out on nice 90 degree days to do elevation hikes with no shirt an short shorts on I love the skeeters I love the ticks they are my lil buddies who remind me of the abundant amount of life in the woods its exciting everything's active an breathing.

>>2774792
Million dollar idea

>>2774558
Sewed my own at about 3.50 per pair and about 4.50 for the silk waffle ones. The afternoon making a pattern was the best investment I ever spent. Never paying 15-20 for long johns ever again.

>>2775262
Mesh socks under polyester or wool socks changed my life

>>2778285
talk to me about this

first ive heard, are they much warmer that way?

>>2774558
I LIVE IN HOT HELL! so a light parka at worst.

>>2778155
Idk I can only get so naked, and only so naked before the cops show up and ruin my good time

>>2778361
It's not so much that they're warmer, it's that they wick water away better so that your feet stay drier and warmer when doing excercise outside in the winter. If your feet are going to stay dry it doesn't matter but if you know you're going to be managing temperature by removing and putting on layers it really helps.

>>2778155
delete this

>>2778440
I am usually able to keep my feet dry so probably not something I need

Thanks

I got the level 4 under armor thermals on clearance- they're a really weird cut

>>2775076
>>2775316
come to think of it pretty sure skiddo and bebsi are still here, in the fish threads at least

>>2778155
>it doesn't feel like I'm dying the second I step outdoors.
That only happens in the summer.

>>2775709
>I would
You do it even to men not wearing fishnets.

>>2778614
I miss the old days

>>2774558
personally, i like alpha fleece or netted underlayers like what brynje offers. waffle shit sucks and keeps me less warm than my fleece

>>2778769
Me too anon, for a number of reasons. One of them is that now I'm a citydwelling salary earner and my /out/ isn't as carefree and spontaneous as it used to be, and that has the flow-on effect of not enjoying the board as much as I used to. I don't have a hundred new pics to share every week, I'm not looking for new equipment or trying out new things all the time. I'm trying to refocus but I'm in a pivotal point in my career and need to excel at work for the time bean.

https://youtu.be/6I_YAkFk3V0?si=gMSxAp0b3RZUfEmS

>>2775037
>>2775045
>>2775046
this shit is the perfect combination of comƒy and uncomƒy that makes winter camping so much fun

>>2778790
Man I wrote lyrics to that song and uploaded a tom waits style vocaroo for a thread we were having back then.

We used to do so much cool shit here.

>>2778818
is this it anon? I don't know if this one's it, there were a couple made at the time

https://clyp.it/mco3j2c5

>>2778820
that one is awesome, one of the very best.
mine was male, deep voice , different lyrics. Pretty sure its gone forever
It stayed up for about a year I think

>>2778822
I think I remember it but it's been so long it's hard to tell. it's a shame it's been pulled. I had a TON of clyps go missing because they changed their policy and removed everything that wasn't on a confirmed account.

enjoy this one though that's still up from some long-lost anon:

https://clyp.it/mvtt1oqy

>>2778822
oh also this one still exists. at some point I lost the plot and overlayed geeps floote with the ET theme and it actually worked, kek

https://youtu.be/w0gXSSwvZf4?si=z-fx5olIEvr40qCc

>>2778446
heh. saved

>>2778825
Oh my god thats so gay

what other meme threads can we bring back?
Thermos?

>>2774558
man I am pretty simple, I wear tactical insulated pants (yes, I like tactic pants), a winter parka, because of where I live (oymiakon) temperatures drop to -40c to -60c, so on winter we use balaclavas, gloves, two socks on each feet, boots, glad I dont use glasses because they can stick to your skin, my winter clothing is composed of:

IMPACT boot from baffin
guide gloves from black diamond
Fjallraven M’s Polar Expedition Parka
a black balaclava

I also like to carry things I might use in a case of being outside on a snowstorm like a flashlight, a screwdriver and a tactic knife

benis

>>2779307
show benis poking out of underwear

I dont know if Im missing something but heres my problem:
>its winter
>go outside
>hmm i still feel fine
>30 min later
>ok my toes are numb and my fingers move in slow motion no problem though haha
>ok my toes are starting to hurt now
>ok my hands are starting to hurt now
>holy fucking shit thats painful
>jesus fucking christ please kill me to release me of this fucking torment
>get inside
>heat up
>HOLY FUCK MY FINGERS AND TOES
>GOD PLEASE KILL ME ALREADY
>WHY IS THIS SO PAINFUL
>go to doctors, ask if its reynauds
>its not
>?????????????
is it because I dont layer at all? I just wear regular pants, underwear, a shirt and a jacket and thats it. Am I missing something? Why cant I do anything outside in the colder months without wanting to fucking kms. And no, im not exaggerating or being a pussy, the pain I get in my fingers and toes when its colder than say 0 °C is fucking insane and the worst pain I have experienced in my life.
I have to figure out a way to deal with the cold and I don't know how... /out/ veterans, please help!

>>2779382
dude, you can get a frostbite, you dont need specifically layering to heat up, altough if you are on a budget its very good, is you aren't then you can just buy like very thick clothing and like, use a glove and a mitten above the glove, not too thick gloves to supress mobility

also in the case you feel your hands hurting from cold, lit up a fire and put your hand as close as you can to it before it hurts and wait

>>2779382
Here in Finland it is not unheard of people starting to wear long johns when it stays under 0°C constantly. If you are being static (sitting/laying down for longer periods of time), then wearing long johns or even quilted trousers and a quilted jacket is not unreasonable at over 0°C either. Anyways, I would recommend you to invest in decent midlayer and good warm boots for winter. Cold feet means cold body.
A decent midlayer will keep your body warmer, meaning that your extremities will stay warmer as well. Also, get yourself a wool cap for colder seasons. Also make sure your throat stays warm.
And the pain is due to your cold extremities getting warmer again. You might have gotten a frostbite.
During my conscription I got a frostbite in my big toe due to laying in a foxhole for several hours in one wargame with not enough clothing. My feet were so cold that I was barely able to walk, I did not have any sensation in them at all up to the knees.
When in static activities, a lot of warm clothing
>midlayer
>quilted jacket and trousers
>good warm mittens
When on the move, have enough clothing to feel cold when stationary

TLDR:
You are miserable because you are not wearing warm enough clothing.

>>2779308
false

>>2779522
we're the finns we're the finns

>>2779562
I heard you guys play penus butt at school

I don’t think there was a silvers thread last season. It’s nice to return to tradition.
>>2775262
I saw some cheap mesh base layers at a workwear store, they might be gaining in popularity.
I use cheap surplus base layers because I’m a fatfuck losing weight and don’t want to spend money on something that won’t fit in a while. I do have some Beyond brand surplus grid fleece that’s pretty good.

>>2780138
>It’s nice to return to tradition.
agreed

Also good luck with your weight loss.
>Former fat fuck here who lost weight hiking like mad and doing the 5;2 diet

its getting pretty chilly guys

amazon link to some cheap but good mesh silvers?

I'm winter hiking for the first time this season. Temperatures will probably be 20-40F most of the time where I'm at.
I'm just wondering how much the heat from the physical exertion of hiking 8-10 miles will offset the cold temperatures. Doing these hikes spring-fall i often have to change my shirt from the sweat
is a balaclava overkill for this kind of activity? I'll be outside 3-6 hours. Definitely getting thick socks, thermal underwear, gloves and spikes.
I also have trekking poles but I hate carrying them. Is it retarded to go without them in winter?

>>2781009
>is a balaclava overkill for this kind of activity
Yes, unless you are especially sensitive in the face or something. A hat and neck gaiter are sufficient and more flexible.
>getting thick socks
Consider that your shoes need to provide space for them. Hope you have dedicated waterproof boots.

>>2775262
I cant for the fucking life of me find a site or store for that matter that sells these. I live in the netherlands anyone from here or europe that knows a site?

bought a carinthia gore-tex bivvy second hand and I already have a sleeping bag,

now that my sleeping system is all set i just need some winter clothes. what do /out/ists recommend?
In a perfect world Id get the full ECWCS system but I live in the netherlands and I cant find that shit here anywhere

>>2781014
thanks for the reply.
I do own hiking boots but the soles are wearing out so I need to replace them before winter.
I think I'm going to purchase some hiking socks beforehand so I can wear them to the store when I'm trying them on.
I'm definitely getting at least a half size bigger because the shoes I have now will fuck my feet up if I don't use thin socks with them.

I will need at least one new set of silvers this year

what should I go for?

Long John

SILVERS
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>>2780973
Amazon does not carry this stuff . try siera tradding company

>>2777007
A fish resturant named for a pirate?

Stocking up here. Maples good.

>>2782247
maple silvers?

>>2774558
Mini greenhouse reinforced and roof design changed to be easier to open and close. I lined the bottom edge with thermal blankets. Bucket of hot water kept in the center and refilled daily after it gets below freezing to help maintain the temperature. I have some tropical plants so we'll see if I can keep them at least not dead until spring.

>>2781055
Check if you have wide feet. I found out I was fucking up by buying a larger size instead of looking for wide shoes in a size that fit better

100% merino wool
I may some day get myself viking age wool clothes but I am afraid that those will become my cabin clothes.
Wool is comfy.
My cabin clothes are basically wool and milsurp.

>>2782563
wool is incredibly itchy

>>2782564
You get used to it.

>>2782567
I don't think I ever would! I prefer cotton.

>>2782569
NGMI

>>2782564
not the same as the other wool anon but it really isnt that bad youre just a pussy ass little bitch boi. i wear 100 percent wool underwear, shirts, pants sweaters, etc all the time and i am comfy in wet weather and not itchy

>>2782564
actually ill agree with you to a point. shit quality recycled wool blends are itchy. there.

>>2774558
normal cloths. If you're moving and in sunlight you will stay warm. You only need base layers if you plan on sitting still or under tree cover with trails that require little effort.

>>2777245
man, the makings of these images were so based

>>2777262
cotton blend if its kind of cold
polar fleece if its colder than -30c
when it gets really cold, -30 and colder, its all about keeping dry
wool makes a shitty base layer

>>2778541
this guys right
if your only outside for a few hours, or its not that cold it doesnt matter
but if its very cold or your out all day, the accumulated sweat will make you miserable
i work outside in canada, i only wear leather work boots, even in -40c, and its because i dont use natural base layers and i keep my feet bone dry by drying my boots every night and changing my socks a few times a day

goddon gills

>>2778933
geeps poster do you geeps post on other boards:"?

>>2783868
I do not actually. I don't know why but I do not.

>>2782703
those were exciting days anon. the board was really busy, there were so many fresh threads and discussion and it was all new. not the stale repetitive routine it is now

>>2775177
Genuinely looks like some Eastern Bloc surp baselayer. Not something I commonly find in my local surplus stores but not unheard of. Beware the Romanian jackets; fucking impossible to de-stink and the liner is made from those scrap fiber/string trimmings junk that car insulation, homeless/emergency blankets, etc. are made from and there's no backing so it just fucking falls apart if washed on its own, or even in the jacket.

>>2775262
Anon is ready to go to the local rave tonight.

>>2778034
Have to be careful washing them especially if they have a lot of damage. I knew someone who would wash them with dissolving detergent sheets/strips (made for wool) but I forget what setting, probably gentle. You can also hand wash. Drying them IMO hang dry only in a way that doesn't stretch them weirdly. Otherwise the fluff comes out in the dryer, you enlarge a bunch of holes, and end up having a repair kit just on the edge of being ready to repair those holes for years, not like I'd know. But mine smelled like mothballs when I found it and it was free. Probably hadn't been washed in 40 years or more so it needed it bad.

>>2778155
Summer enjoyers are so stupid yeah lemme put on polyester underwear, polyester shorts, and a polyester shirt so I can barely stand the heat the second I step outdoors and then get skin cancer from all the UV when I forget to slather myself in zinc paste and get Lyme (as well as a list of other diseases from mosquitos) when I forget to slather myself in DEET or Permethrin and forget I can't wear short sleeves because of the bugs anyways. In Fall and Winter I can just progressively put more clothes on the colder it gets and it's fucking based that no one else wants to deal with the weather and I have it all to myself. Humans should not be living in hot climates.

>>2778284
How'd you make a pattern? I'm highly interested in making my own hunting clothes and making patterns would help a lot.

>>2779382
Layer and keep moving. IIRC my first layer is pretty much always underarmor top and bottom, then a thin layer: thermal shirt and pants, then snow pants and snow jacket. Also look into heated clothes, especially gloves and jacket. I know, I know, "gay", but I worked a lot outside and often hunt outside in the dead of winter and it helps a lot without layering so much that you're constantly putting on and taking off layers. That being said I need to find my gloves. Also get good boots, mylar insoles, and double up socks IIRC.

>>2783909
I wish we could go back

I am heading to walmart of friday to get some nice silevers as its getting chilli


Any advice??

Is cotton ok?

>>2774558
I like Uniqlo. It's not high end tech wear, just "fashion" brand - but it's relatively cheap and warm. Not best for long active activities, but I needed something to sit around campsite in and it does the job.

>>2781024
Svala makes them but they are a bit pricey.
https://svala.com/en/product-category/men/tops-men/underlayer-shirts-men/

>>2774558
Wow, I like that clothing. Where I can buy?

>>2784904
Wet cotton sucks. If there's a chance you'll get wet, and you don't have a way to change clothes or get to a heated room, avoid it.

These 100% wool tops are on a very good sale from Sierra Trading Post right now, the MSRP on the tag is $100. I bought 5, I am a geologist who works outside. I think they're 250g/m^2 when comparing them to the ones on Backcountry. The style from the link below has small-2XL in stock, there are some other comparable ones besides the 2 in my picrel.

https://www.sierra.com/smartwool-uni-thermal-pattern-base-layer-top-merino-wool-long-sleeve~p~3vpmm/?filterString=s~mens-smartwool%2F

>>2782569
Cotton is fine until you sweat. Personally i wear wool undies because i get swamp ass like a mofo. If you dont keep your buttocks hairless it shouldnt itch

>>2785369
bring a couple changes of shirt with you

>>2785083
Getting wet when out is not an option no matter what you wear

>>2785428
Oh look at you, Mr. "I always wear the exact amount of clothing to not get sweaty during activity", Mr. "I invented the perfect waterproof-breathable fabric and share it with noone".

>>2785430
its called layering

>>2785431
It's called lieing.

>>2785432
noone is lieing to you

>>2775005
>You're a lives in a warm/moderate climate body. No one escapes the laws of thermodynamics.
When I was younger, more athletic, and eating a lot more food I didn't need to dress as warmly and used to impress people with my cold tolerance. Now I'm old and lazy with a slower metabolism with a warmer wardrobe. It's very possible Anon is correct in his assessment and has the right mix of youth, genetics, and lifestyle to get through winter without what normal people would consider winter clothing.

>>2785437
no, everyone has the same

>>2785437
I used to be similar. I would never cold in my 20s. My GF would be have 2 sweaters on and a scarf and gloves and I'd be sitting next to her in a t-shirt. At some point in my 30s this stopped being the case.


>winter without what normal people would consider winter clothing.
I'm guessing you live somewhere that doesn't have a real winter.

>>2785653
>I'm guessing you live somewhere that doesn't have a real winter.
Depends on how you define real winter and define winter clothing. I've done dayhikes and trail running barefoot in shirtless in the snow in the mild parts of winter (roughly +15F to +32F) and I've worn what most people would consider autumn clothing in -20F weather. I've been outside all day close to -40F but was wearing reasonable winter clothes for that (but still less than most of my coworkers).

What are some good boots for winter, need some for walking

why doesnt this thread halloween?

>>2785686
Depends.
>Insulation
How cold is it and how easily do your feet get cold. I use common, slightly padded leather boots with wool socks down to -10°C hiking, the same setup I use for summer really. Other people start freezing their feet off once it goes below +10 and need specially insulated boots.
>Waterproofness
How often do you get snow melting on your feet, how often do you walk through puddles. Leather or goretex for lower waterproof needs, rubber boots for lots of water. In very cold conditions, the snow doesn't even melt and you can go with non-waterproof boots but that's a niche.

>>2785836
Refresh the page if you had it open before halloween or toggle the style to "Special."

>>2785869
I will refresh your moms flithy vagootis

are flannels good for the cold months?
how do I style them? never use them, I'm from the south

>>2786273
>how do I style them?
wat?

>>2786279
it's more of a /fa/ question
I want boots that look nice and are useful for light hiking in the fall

>>2786448
wait wrong thread, I mean the flannel

I feel this thread is for homo that looks at wieners

>>2786983
but anon that's the whole website

>>2786986
false, this is a hetero board

How many days in a row can you wear silvers without them getting smelly?
This is with normal underwear under the silvers

>>2786983
post more weiners bulging out of flannel

>its cold out
>do physical activity
>heat up
I don't get the whole clothing thing. Even skiing in sub 0 F temperatures, soaking wet and I was still warm. I really think you people ought to just fix your metabolisms

>>2787169
Acryl, or polyester? About 2-3 days at most
Wool? 2-3 weeks if you don't sweat into them, or 1-2 weeks if you do. The thing is, even if you do sweat into them, so long they are stored dry and ventilated over night it doesn't accumulate or get worse.

>>2787307
Wool's wicking ability is unbelievable. I genuinely felt betrayed after my first experience of wearing a cable knit sweater, getting soaked from sweat and condensation, still being warm throughout my entire activity, then it DRYING on its own overnight. What the fuck is the point of synthetic materials anyway? Wax works as a windbreaker, thank you

>>2787312
Yes, but:
1. Cumulative shrinking when washing, a complete PITA to reverse
2. Thin and non itchy == SHIT durability
But yes, Polyester is mostly the devils work. Nothing like having a T-shirt that can only be used for a few hours before being forced to wash it before it starts developing smells.
And thats true, even if I like my Adidas 3 layer shorts.

>>2787323
>a complete PITA to reverse
How do you reverse it?

>>2787330
I work it
I put my thing down flip it and reverse
Is it worth it?

>>2787323
My merino wool socks don't have any permanent shrink after a delicate machine wash, hung dry. Do one load of all of them every 1~2 months. Minimal effort. I don't wash my wool outerwear.

>>2774558
on a budget get surplus ecwcs thermals
if you're spending money get mesh baselayers it sounds counter intuitive but they keep you warmer. militaries are switching over to it and so am i once you try it out you realize how shitty woven baselayers are. mesh ones are also WAY more durable albeit less repairable.

>>2775255
>>2775262
this.

>>2774638
trust me on this hillsound trail crampons are way better than microspikes. me hike a lot of mountains in trail runners. same thing just made of better metal that doesn't need sharpening nearly as much. similar price the couple bucks is big worth.

>>2774907
>underwear
by the way most merino underwear is superwash treated and coated in plastic. and it loses most of its traits.
europeans can get virgin wool underwear from dillard's and i don't think anyone sells them in the states.

>>2785661
why lie on the internet?

>>2787398
I grew up athletic and outdoorsy in a cold place and then took a winter construction job in an even colder place. Nothing I claimed is unreasonable for someone young, healthy, and acclimated to the cold.

>>2781009
>is a balaclava overkill for this kind of activity?
For sure. Even at 20 degrees as long as you keep moving your gonna stay warm. I like a hat with ear flaps if you have one. Wind chill is also something to think about if you're going above the treeline. Bring your poles and remeber to hike cold, sweat is a killer.

What's the lowdown on buying older used gear? There's a nice set of Lowa boots in my size that I could pick up for about $100 but the seller claims they're over a decade old. Allegedly only used for one season to climb rainier.

>>2787375
>and it loses most of its traits.
I don't believe that. Indeed most merino is superwash, so the reputation it gets must be mostly based on superwash merino, not on the rare non superwash kind.
>>2787455
Old boots, rarely used, they may very well have hydrolysis and crumble on your first hike.

>>2787465
>may very well have hydrolysis and crumble on your first hike.
Is there a non-destructive way to recognize if they're fucked? It's an ebay listing and I can always return them if I need to but I don't wanna open myself up to a denial if they're completely destroyed.
>>2787375
>hillsound trail crampons are way better than microspikes
I've never had any problems with my kahtoolas, but I've heard that the hillsounds get fouled up easier. The consensus I found was that kahtoolas are better for warmer mixed terrain where the snow can be soft and ball up on the bottom plate of hillsound and the hillsounds are better for cold dry conditions where you're going through ice and powder.

>>2787330
>>2787369
My wool Knitted turtle neck sweater got permanent shrinking after I forgot to stretch it out after washing ONCE.
Reverse seem to involve buying special chemicals or just super plain condition, hand washing lightly, and then try to stretch it ,and repeat a few times. A gigantic PITA, mostly because telling if you stretched is really hard, is is getting back the volume, and its really heavy since its complete saturated with water and conditioner.

>merino wool socks
I got those as well. As well as merino silvers
The socks did shrink about half a EU size on first wash. The silvers where similar, but the stretch joint in feet, waist and around the ground made it seem quite a bit tighter.

>>2787475
Bubba if it shrinks you're washing it incorrectly.
Unless it's stated on the label, always by hand in cold water with a drop of specific wool detergent
Good video about it:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ozKDpYfyZc
If the wool is machine washable use a wool cycle and some specific product as before.
Are you a zoomer? You ought to thank god for protectors of handicapped youth, like myself (am the protector).

>>2787479
*unless it's stated otherwise on the label

>>2787479
>shrinks you're washing it incorrectly
Which also usually means
>Anything but handwashing results in the cloth shrinking
Or
>Machine washable with wool cycle. but has to be stretched while its still wet

Still better than trying to keep white cloth white.

>>2787605
>has to be stretched while its still wet
should you wear whett whool to prevent this? it sounds super uncomfortable but maybe actually a good way to keep it fitting properly, especially if you're just doing this a couple or few times a year

>>2787605
>>2787607
No bubba, normal people don't "stretch" their wool LMFAO.
Some wool is treated to be machine-washable.
TOPKEK the crap I read here everyday.

>>2787615
>Some wool
what about the rest of the whool

>>2787617
You wash it by hand or dry clean it. Nobody stretches wool.
Just pay attention to put it in shape- which doesn't mean stretching -while it's drying, any crease will be retained once dry.

>>2787628
>any crease will be retained once dry
ergo, if it dries on your body it's perfect

>>2787173
no

>>2787629
it will show the crees of your flithy vagootis

>>2788059
>unintelligible mutt speak
This board is an embarrassment to itself.

>>2788065
You are the embarassment of your moms fihole

>>2778198
You can always get thinner

>>2775037
>>2775045
Damn I was just complaining about the cold air in my shitty tent in some other thread and you gave me an idea. Does blanket material matter? What did you use?
Also what foods and drinks did you bring, I'm curious what winter campers generally eat.

>>2788187
>I'm curious what winter campers generally eat
I do know that eskimos eat mostly bloober so maybe some fatty ass foods?

>>2788084
Dont you dare to shame me , you have not lived a mile in my shoe

>>2787629
>>2787607
So in your words
What do you think
>Machine washable with wool cycle. but has to be stretched while its still wet
means?
Thin socks and baselayer do shrink, insignicantly.
But knitted stuff is going to shrink as much as 10-20x as the thin stuff. Its not a lot either, but it do mean you can forget to stretch it, and after 2-3 washes the arms are glued on to the skin, or the neck is wrong.

>>2787615
>normal people don't "stretch" their wool
Depends on what you got.
Felt needs to be handwashed, to avoid ruining the shape. Agitation and rinsing has practically zero shrinking.
Merino stuff is already pre shrinked when you buy it. So silvers and base layers and necks... except the seams shrink a little each machine cycle.
Duvets and blankets shirnk A LOT if you machine wash them. Stretching IS mandatory

But i still find thick knitted socks the most annoying. IF you machine wash them, they shrink on the wear spots. Once the wear spot is partially trough, its just going to accelerate the wear.

>>2788268
we've got work to do

>>2784173
>How'd you make a pattern?
Duplicated a pair I already liked (three piece, two legs and gusseted crotch) Made a pair out of scrap material. Adjusted the pattern and made a pair out of good material. Adjusted the pattern again. Done.

Big thing for me was professional seams without a $200 overlocker machine. Use a cheap overcast foot on my regular machine instead.

Started making more complex things too. This winter was a wool coat with hood and thick quilted silk inner. I couldn't find something like that in a store.

>>2788081
Lad. No.

>>2788334
false

>>2788316
sewing is for girls

>>2782564
in my experience 100% merino wool isn't

>>2788371
no, also fags

>>2788553
Then you'll both be experts at it.

>>2788372
true its only mildly itchy

>>2788626
no u

pick a merino baselayer, add either a down jacket by itself or a fleece ontop of the baselayer and a shell jacket, this pretty much covers all temperatures down to -20c, any lower and you need some more serious shit if hiking. for pants the same concept, lined pants if it's really cold. same for your feet, merino is love merino is life.

does anyone know how to make that emoticon where its like someone is looking at something and thinking "oh my"

>>2789451
I don't know which one you mean (you could try drawing it) but maybe you'll find it here or on a similar list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emoticons

>>2779382
Are you tall? Have you had frostbite before?
Blood circulation in your extremities might be fucked. I usually wear a merino wool base layer (long johns), sheepskin lined leather boots with wool socks and leather gloves for just casual walking in the city when the temperature drops below freezing and that keeps my extremities nice and warm.

>>2789486
its made of 00 and vv i think

>>2785377
>just swap your underwear outdoor bro no big deal
I'll keep wearing wool thanks

>>2785433
no idea what you intended to convey with this webm but it's gay af lol

>>2788371
*and self-reliant outdoorsmen

>>2788630
because you're only mildly a faggot

>>2788803
+1

>>2789725
0vv0

>already 6C in my Town
>temp reaches 13C in my room at night because it's an old brick home without insulation (and a broken window)
Thank the gods for electric blankets

>>2790451
thats 55 degrees, you need an e blanket at 55?

puuuuuuuussssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyy

>>2790454
Human bodies are very weird anon
When i was a child i played almost naked in 3C for hours without feeling cold. I was a very underweight child to boot
Now I'm a lot chubbier but i feel cold very easily. However if i go on a water fast for a few days, i get incredibly warm and feel hot

>>2790457
Thats interesting that you would become more sensitive as you got older. Did you start sucking cocks at some point?

>>2774558
stanfields polar fleece. I'm still using the same ones I did when i was 16 (and they are in good shape). I'm 44 now. Do that math. they are a little pricey up front but i never overheat and i am never cold. I personally don't really care for the tops though and just prefer wool sweaters instead.

>>2790544
those must be pretty stinky

>be me
>never been skiing before
>going on skiing trip with coworkers

I have "snow" clothes but they're at best soft shells which will definitely get wet if and when I eat shit constantly and wind up getting snow on me.

Recs on hard shell ski clothing?

>>2790984
If its freezing or lower, you don't need em.
If its +2C and fucking rain, yes then you do need em.
Recommended would most likely be thin wool gloves, puffy softshell pants or athletic cross country snow tights, and jacket is fucking whatever unironically.
Softshell is good enough. Shell is just the thinnest type of raincloth with a thin softshell layer outside larping as sportwear, but wind proof 100%.

If you want expensive clothing, you could get some Fjällräven KÆB, which requires manually waxing after being washed in special impregnation coating washing fluid.
Or reasonably for jacket, lookup what something like a Bergans Tind Windbreaker is called where you live, and look for a cheaper alternative. Properly covering tights and neck is a good plus.

>>2774774
0w0
V

>>2791057
I dont need expensive shit, but how important would even a thin hardshell be for preventing wind from getting to me while I'm skiing fast as fuck down the childrens training slopes

I have gucci base layers and stuff so I'm not as concerned about standing around as much as I am with wind getting through my layers or getting wet

>>2791104
Not very.
The main problem is getting enough wind proofing, not water proofing. You instead get less water resistant jacket, but more water resistant pants.

I would still recommend looking up what a Bergans Tind Windbreaker is called in your region, and then buying a cheaper/cheapest cloth brand of something similar.
And after that you get to pick if you want puffy pants, alpine pants, or tighter whatever synthetic is pop with the kidz these days.

>>2791104
>I'm skiing fast as fuck down the childrens training slopes
why would you do this?

>>2791670
you seem to not understand obvious jokes when you see them

are you one of the helmet wearing autists or are you hopefully a little more capable?

>>2791670
It's eugenic, filtering slow, unobservant, and unlucky genes from the gene pool.

>>2791801
this is not a humor board, this is where we discuss the outdoors

maybe try /b/?

>>2792225
>trying to gatekeep
>mad as fuck
you need to be 18 or older to post here, troon

>>2792231
Brother, no.
This board should be treated the same as DIY posters treat theirs.
Banter is largely tolerated on the forum but this board is mostly bullshit, making it close to useless.

>>2792232
Are you German?

>>2792318
No, just well-adjusted.

>>2774558
I set fires in neighbors homes - usually keeps me warm through the night.

>>2792324
I can smell your fedora from here

>>2792374
Smells don't travel over the internet, its source is closer than you envision.

bump

>>2778155
Nice bait, I just hate bugs.

>>2793088
I licked your moms bug

>>2793262
ax your mom

Bought Icebreaker Oasis 260 (18.9 microns 100% Merino) a few years ago for 200 Euro for top and bottom and it is by far the best baselayer I ever used. I wear it all day and during sports and when hiking and when skiing and all night when sleeping and there is zero wear yet. Plus zero itching! My North Face 50% Poly 50% Merino trash that I use when it is in the washer is frying after minimal use and itches like a bitch, plus feels thin. Can highly recommend Icebreaker if you wanna spend money on baselayer! When hiking below 0 °C, I wear a 100% Merino sweater by chinkshit brand Charles Thyrwhitt. Its very thick and when on sale its as cheap as its gonna get for buying Merino. Its trash quality though and fries on the collar and on the hand openings so it itches now. Especially when not wearing base layer under it. But very warm!!!!!!!!!! There is a great sweater guide in /fa/ Prep Trad Ivy thread for both USA and Europe with brand list and prices, they have top tier sweaters 100% virgin wool very natural non-washable but god tier quality straight from grandpas farm and also Chinkshit washable Merino 100% at reasonable prices. God tier unwashable lamb wool stuffies starties at 200-300 Euros and go to 500. Chinkshit 100% Merino you can get starting at 60 Euro for sufficiently heavy models. Trash business sweaters are cheaper but too thin for winter! They are like a second base layer. Useless! I will ask my girlfriend to buy me one of these Shetland wool eco homo sweaters Guru Kumbaya Scotland thingers for very expensive money so I can stay warm when under 0°C but not now! Later I will, maybe tomorrow! But itchy when it is lamb wool and not merino ...

>>2774558
Does anyone have any good sources for getting wool clothes?

>>2793574
eBay

>>2777300
That sounds like a cope answer because you can't justify why $2 of material costs $150.

>>2793576
Thank you

>>2793578
>Polartec® Power Grid® Crossdye Heather Jersey with Odor Resistance
>Super stretch neoprene neck for zipperless entry
Not your walmart fleece. Consider also the likely small market and that's a top and bottom wedded together. If it's overpriced then not by much.

>>2777535
saved

>>2793635
walmart silvers are cheap an effective

>>2774558
People in Montana and Wyoming are still wearing shorts and flip flops until mid-February.

>>2795152
false

>>2774558
100% cotton henleys are awesome coupled with genuine wool sweaters. Waffle tops are even warmer. Good ones can be expensive though, my Pike Brothers certainly didn't come cheap.

>>2795226
>He wears cotton
Look at him and laugh.

>>2795228
Bro, my job has me standing outside barely doing anything in windy winter. I fucking love my cotton in these conditions.

>>2795229
goddon gills

>>2795228
>he absorbs plastic oil into his largest organ
Nice bitch tits, nigga

>>2795234
you didnt have to

>>2795237
Indeed, you manage to jump to conclusions all on your own.

>>2795218
How the fuck would you know city boy?

>>2785437
He could be a big fat diabetic guy. We had one at work that would walk around on cold winter nights on a t shirt because he had an insulating layer of blubber a half a foot thick. He had big problems with summer heat though.

>>2795270
I spent three years driving across I80 between denver and salt lake every single day

You have no idea how hateful wyoming weather is , no one is in flip flops

>>2795312
its just windy. i did this stretch couple weeks ago and stopped for gas a few times wearing flip flops and a tshirt.
t. Wisconsin

just got my first wind shirt and holy fuck how have i gone previous winters without one of these things?
such a useful winter layer item.

Here in central Poland it doesn't get as cold as it used to so when it does eventually get cold I at most wear long johns under my jeans and for the top a tucked in tshirt and a hoodie and my winter jacket I have experience with it keeping me warm unitl -20C
oh and of course always a hat and sometimes a neck gaiter and leather gloves

>>2774558
Here in Canada it looks like we're finally going to get a proper winter. It's December 20 and -8 degrees with a light dusting of snow. I hope it snows more.

>>2795312
You sound like a puss. It’s 50 in Wyoming right now.

>>2795465
Oh yeah sometimes there is a warm day , but mostly its bitter wind

No one is impressed that you dress like an idiot in winter
No one

>>2774630
for long days and very cold weather, like colder than -20c, synthetic is better for base layer, especially socks
wools too wet

>>2795503
Its too stinky though

>>2795470
Nobody is trying to impress you Sheldon.
Go cry at REI.

>>2795560
Kinda seems like you are trying to impress with your amazing cold tolerance

anyone got reccs for decent wool gloves with the capacitive finger tips so I can take pictures with my phone without taking them off constantly?

mild-ish winter around these parts so don't need ski gloves but my random garbage pair of dollar store gloves aren't cutting it anymore now that I'm actually going /out/ Dec-Feb

I want to complain about my own retardation.
I tried to make my pants more outdoorsy by waterproofing them with this shit.
First issue, I applied too much of it, so the pants were covered in lumps of this waxy substance.
Second issue, I couldn't wash it off my hands until I figured out that I have to fight fire with fire — olive oil helped.
Third issue, my pants now have a strong chemical-waxy-rancid smell. It got a bit weaker after a few days, but the label claimed that there is no off-gassing so I didn't expect to smell anything.
RRREEE why did I do this to myself.

>>2795690
maybe relevant and interesting video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedRbIsM75M

>>2795725
pretty cool. I might make some of those

Kek the long john silvers OP pic is made to wear a santa hat

>>2795152
I went to Montana and Wyoming in October and I saw literally no one in shorts let alone flip flops. This was October mind you.

>>2774558
It's really simple. Look at arctic countries like Canada, Norway, Iceland, Greenland, Russia, Finland for example. Copy the gear they give to their military.

>>2796506
>Iceland
>Greenland
>Military
Kek
>Copying what the Russian military issues
>Copying the military at all
Anon what the military issues, especially a relatively poor one like Russia isn't necessarily desirable.
The only ones with parts of their kit that can offer advantage in sports and leisure are the Norwegians.

>>2796514
Copying the military is good enough and you're a fucking retard if it isn't.
Basic issue finnish military gear is good enough for outdoors in -25c weather without a change of clothes or heating up for a week. With it on, I can stand outside of an APC commanders hatch in 22m/s wind for 6 hours at -20c without getting cold.

>>2796540
Yes Sherlock, it usually works and you can get some deals but performance is usually nothing enviable, sometimes not even for the price which has steadily increased in the past decade. Especially not for more expensive items such as footwear.
Settle with it if you want the nylon conscript experience without the (meager) pay or "adventure" kek.
Oh, and good luck with dragging your overweight pack anywhere steep.

>>2796541
My point it that's always heavier and usually not that great in quality, as one can expect from a public institution's procurement.

You know these "thermals" as we call them are excellent. Who'd have thunk that a set of Mormonesque undergarments were the key to dealing with winter so comnfortably?

For years I did winters here in England wearing just a cotton hoodie. A t-shirt, jeans, no undies half the time, and no socks because washing socks is too much work. I must have done 5-8 straight winters that way, through a lack of self-care mostly, I guess I just didn't give a fuck in my 20s. But now I wear just a thin quilted jacket and I feel warm enough to go most places on the colder days. It made me tough in my mind and I don't regret it - dealing with being very cold to the point where it's not uncomfortable must build some character - but now I wonder why I never tried on a real coat as well.

>>2796540
>Basic issue finnish military gear is good enough for outdoors in -25c weather without a change of clothes or heating up for a week. With it on, I can stand outside of an APC commanders hatch in 22m/s wind for 6 hours at -20c without getting cold.
I would like to try this level of insulation but after >>2796562 I think it might be a bit much for where I live. I was only dealing with -2 at the coldest.

>>2796562
>no socks because washing socks is too much work.
your shoes must smell like the black death

>>2796587
That was then. Plus, vans shoes go through the washer well enough.

>>2796587
que shoelada!!!

This guy shows that mesh base layer is measurably better than un-holey base layer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9uh_o40OaM
That's great, but the only part of my body that tends to get chilly with my current gear is feet.
There are mesh shirts, there are mesh pants, but there are no functional mesh socks.
"Fashion" mesh socks under wool socks — makes sense or a pointless idea?

>>2796781
Sounds like a recipe for sore feet.

>>2796781
>20%
Not bad at all. Might be even better if a tight-fitting shirt was worn over the mesh, rather than a loose shell.
IMO it's still not worth it for socks because
1. weight doesn't matter there, it's bulk that limits your insulation
2. you want as much material (wool) as possible to absorb moisture

>>2796781
No, on prolonged marches you need thick material around your feet to absorb the stress and the excess humidity that doesn't get evacuated through the footwear.
Mesh will create pressure points, it makes no sense in socks.

>>2796799
I'd wear the mesh, a first-layer wool shirt and a windbreaker on top.

>>2796901
I would wear that mesh top to a gay club and play penus butt

>>2796901
>>2798249
Isn't mesh awesome? One anon gets to go outdoors comfortably, another anon gets to be successful faggot, everyone's happy.

What's the trick to hiking in winter? Do you layer up before you hit the trail or as needed while on the trail? It's bad to bundle up then sweat right?

>>2796781
I'm not paying nearly $100 for one base layer

>>2798267
But I wanted to see her vagina

>>2798267
No trick. Just don't wear so much you start sweating. Whether you get it right from the start or adjust during the hike depends on your experience, but it doesn't really matter too much.

>>2798371
no

This thead is dead
Long live the new thread >>2798555

>>2778285
Which mesh socks do you get?