https://vocaroo.com/14B5W1l6ok9i

Are you guys using closed or open backs?

dead general, dead board, dead medium, dead culture, dead society

i'm listening to walkerworld 2.0
remember when alan walker was accused of being an industry plant, that he's ghost produced, he didn't seem to know shit about fuck when he showed his project file in a video
listening to his music now it's really mid as fuck, he hasn't improved his production techniques to 2025 standards
feels good knowing that i'll be able to make commercially viable music on this level or better

/dmp/ has made yet another album
they're unstoppable
we need to fight

How to mix kick and bass

>>125125982
Not in the same spot. Duck.
Clip. Limit. Not a whole lot

>>125125982
almost every video of every genre I have seen does SOME sidechaining with the kick and bass.

Bass needs a lot of compression to sound smooth and not too pokey. Keep low frequencies mono.

>>125122815
i really like that, good job

>>125124834
>i'm listening to walkerworld 2.0
I gave it a listen out of curiosity and it sounds very amateur or mid. I've heard much better things in /prod/, easily

https://vocaroo.com/1kfb57T6lmjw
i am not good with bass and i have no SUB and i think bass tone resonance plugins are underrated and subharmonics and shieet

>>125125982
it's impossible with only headphones or monitors

>>125127060
So do i need both?
>>125126768
Sc is a given sure, how about making both feel they fit but also keep one from overpowering the other?
>>125126275
Limiter on a kick?

>>125125982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMM0UfTMwks

>>125126768
>>125127073
most don't mix perfectly together, that's why you sidechain. sidechaining ducks the bass when the kick hits. It's just deciding the kick SHOULD overpower the bass. That's how almost everyone does it and that's the whole point.

Also, you can clip the shit out of stuff to help with peaks if you want. Here's where you can start with that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UT42-ur080&list=PLxik-POfUXY6i_fP0f4qXNwdMxh3PXxJx

>>125127095
>ctz schizo ranting
don't take advice from people whose music sounds like crushed plastic

>>125127113
I don't like his music or anything but this is probably the most comprehensive look at a certain workflow. You can still extract some useful information from it. And even then, if you don't like it, you can still experiment with some of the ideas. I only say this because I know a lot of /prod/ is more electronically-leaning in their music and they probably have a goal more like this than something else. I might be totally wrong though.

>>125127139
there is nothing useful to extract from ctz.
it's a complete waste of time from loudness obsessed freaks in the dnb space.
no one should spend any time entertaining these ideas, especially not someone who's asking how to mix kick and bass.

>>125127157
a big part of mixing kick and bass is taming peaks. I'm just offering something that you could extract a lot of info from. Can you link them something else that would be more useful?

>>125127192
no one's asked this person what sort of music they make. that might be a good start, because no one's ducking their bass when making indie rock.
so no, i have nothing useful to offer other than never listen to ctz nonsense.

>>125125982
>>125126768
Bass is meant to be felt, not heard. For EDM specifically, if you can feel the punch of the kick you're using and the vibrations of the bass you're using just fine without sidechaining, then it's not a problem. If it was, every electronic dance track made up 'till 1998 would sound muddy and dated because sidechaining wasn't a thing yet, but that was usually not the case.

>>125127208
I think a lot of indie rock will still do some of it but I do understand that a lot of indie rock bands have their production sound kind of bad on purpose. I don't want to definitively say it's shit but I do think they oftentimes consciously forego a lot of stuff. They definitely still get mixed though. But fair.

>>125127248
EDM back then doeesn't sound nearly as loud or huge sounding as now. They still had their own ways, and even sometimes they would master compress and the kick would just compress the whole track. Also it's not about them sounding muddy, they were just mixed better and their kicks and basses didn't sound that huge. It does come down a lot to genre but still.

>>125122777
hard as fuck digits nowhaimsayin?

working on the intro
transitional fx are placeholders

https://voca.ro/1cy63LtbqAsF

What is quantization?

>>125125982
>>125126768
kick is a transient. bass is a sustain. think of them as part of the same track. in fact, an 808 kick with a long tail is probably the ideal model of what you should be going for.
don't just rely on a software plugin to duck the bass. do whatever you can/need to do to get the sustain out of the way of the transient. for example, you can use longer attack envelopes or even cross fade the audio clip to clear the way.
you need to think: what is the most important sound at this moment in time. and if that moment is the down or backbeat, then you need a damn good reason to have anything else but the most important sound, sounding at that moment.

you probably need to mono check your bass and you probably need to make it quieter sub 200khz

>>125127157
>mix as loud as digitally possible
>mastering engineer is free to bring down the digital cross fader and bounce to whatever
your response, schizo? there's literally no workflow in which using a laptop at -18 db makes sense, least of all "analog modeling" marketing hokey plugin shit.

>>125127248
>>125127328
it's dialectical... you need to DECOUPLE the kick and the bass in the COMPOSITION so that you can GLUE them back together during MIXDOWN. ctz mixing is just about bringing these steps as close together as possible, starting with sound selection and beat-writing. for all the technical info in the baphometrix series, the most underplayed piece of the entire workflow is that your beat writing probably just fucking sucks because you're piling a bunch of shit on top of your backbeat and/or downbeat transients, forcing the limiter to work harder when it need to be doing its most precise work.

>>125127633
Maybe this is true for EDM stuff but I think in a lot of real instrumental stuff, there's a lot of overlap between kick and bass playing. It's pretty required to play any kind of good funk. Especially on the downbeat. But obviously kicks and bass for a genre like funk don't sound super huge, and want to be percussive and have a bit of transient leftover. I also find that the hardest to wrap my head around. Like I just went to youtube to find something funky and I got this:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NYcwEbyH4SQ

The drums are pretty subdued and i cannot imagine most people in this thread are asking about how to get bass and drums like this. Posts like >>125127556
make it clear that we're often not talking about production as a whole, we're honing in a lot on EDM and trap music or the like. For certain genres, bass is also packed with transients and pretty percussive. All the muting, slaps, ghost notes etc. It takes a lot to even that sound out even after the performance sometimes.

>>125127522
when percussion/notes are snapped robotically to a grid

>>125127877
yes i'm talking about electronic stuff. with subs you can't really tolerate too much overlap, and you can't really hear it at competitive loudness either

>>125127933
Sorry I don't understand

>>125122777
https://youtu.be/ArO8BMANZeg

>>125127877
>>125127948
on the other hand, it's a general rule that those who don't record, mix, and master loud, just can't. there's simply no reason why acoustic indie soft rock can't hit -8 lufs. no reason at all.

>>125128259
>>125127933
not him but here's an example. sorry for the squashed images but just wanted to fit both in the same picture. Notice how it snaps everything to the quarter note beats. It just moves everything to be exactly on the grid. You can also choose to make it not so exact so it only slightly drags everything to a beat.

>>125128325
Okay so basically it's about making everything rigid as shit

https://voca.ro/12SUR6b98sch
https://voca.ro/11CSuQuEdnZI
Thoughts, feelings & opinions please and thank you
droney lo-fi hip-hop something

>>125128428
swing only sounds good in house and acoustical genres.

>>125128462
needs a lot of work. very repetitive and boring composition, samples clip on your chops which sounds bad and obvious, the vocal samples are randomly all over the place in volume and are frankly kind of spitty and annoying sounding, and the kick just completely ass blasts a mix which is already drowned in low quality reverb and bitcrushed noise.

I've been studying NES songs and recreating them. I notice when playing the recreated songs back, the feedback has spikes in amplitude that I can't seem to control fully with the gain. I think it might be due to the different waveforms interacting and accentuating/attenuating certain harmonics, but I don't know for sure.

>>125128462
>>125128625
hate to be mean but this anon I agree with. Also, just like the guy previously in the thread, you got a lot of buildup in that low-mid range, prob 300-800hz. I bet it would open up a lot if you cut some of that out especially in the piano. This by itself is not a song, not even a chill kind of background song, it just needs a little more going on for it. But it would help if it sounded a lot cleaner. That kick is definitely way too much.

>>125128428
yeah, kind of. It is often used as a way to tighten up a MIDI performance. Even a lot of prog metal bands and shit will quanitze the drum performance if it gets a little too out of time. It just shifts everything to a specific subdivision of time, and you can make that aggressive as you want. You can even "humanize" which is the reverse, where it puts very subtle slight changes in the note timings so it doesn't sound too robotic.

how the chronic insomnia makes me basically
... APPARENTLY
tweak tf out on my rituals and can't fight THOSE thoughts,,,

https://vocaroo.com/15PjO3yPZ0Br

>>125128305
NO SHILLING IN PROD

>>125130103
you must have misread the sign
it's actually "NO, SHILLING IN PROD"

This is the saddest chord progression: vi - iii - vi - iii

>>125130331
at last I truly see...

>>125130232
Fuck off troll

>>125130386
I'm not even joking: https://youtu.be/Zmi6FpkMFEI

Cycling between these two minor chords gives a feeling of utter despair and hopelesness.

>>125130449
that and the wailing droning tones and reverb percussions, yeah. feels like a death march.

These are 3 clips of beats I made, heavily inspired by the sound coming from London around 2002-2009 roughly. So early Grime, or Eskibeat, Eski etc. whatever you want to call it.

Beat 1: https://vocaroo.com/16UeuH1eF4bA

Beat 2: https://vocaroo.com/1hiKzwc3z018

Beat 3: https://vocaroo.com/1e5AygADwW0f

What do you think lads?

>>125130561
sounding chunky and clangorous bro, good job. only been to London once, and the cab ride was like 110 pounds and the dude had the audacity to ask if I would tip (because I'm american). fuck that place. Scotland is nice, though.

>>125130604
Appreciate the listen, I live in London, and everything is ridiculously overpriced here. It is maddening. Never been to Scotland myself, but I hear good things though. And thanks again.

>>125130561
2 & 3 are very grimey. definitely could hear JME on them.
2 was my fav

I guess it’s happening bros. Got two shows lined up for my dungeon synth project

>>125130789
scary stuff man
not sure i ever want to be successful

>>125130789
congrats bro

>>125130789
nice

>>125130746
It is interesting to hear which out of the 3 stand out (if any) so that's good to know. Also I am a big fan of JME. Thanks for listening.

>metallica took to long to make unforgiven 4
>me and some /mu/ anons did it anyway
https://vocaroo.com/15kvBbAmgxKa

>>125130981
it alright

I made this thing but I don't know what is it
https://voca.ro/1lsSQwbHI2Ro

>>125131328
Sounds nice, melancholic and calming at the same time.

>>125127488
Neat anon, keep working on it

>>125124834
listened to the first 8 tracks
its full of the most risk-free sonic decisions i've seen in a while, indicative of a soulless producer
like not a single drum sample was interesting, all of them were processed to work but not have any bite to them
melodically its goyslop, but i know that's not a wise or controversial statement in the slightest
not happy that i gave him 8 streams aka $0.00004

>>125127328
Listen to some Dillinja on a proper sound system and tell me it doesn't knock harder than most shit today.
https://youtu.be/U5BBG3v13MQ

>>125131910
its just got more dynamic range lad, its certainly not louder

>>125131910
I am being genuinely honest with you when I say that I think this kind of just reinforced my original feeling. It has a lack of depth and smoother lowend than you would expect from things, even if we dig up stuff from like... the 2010s. I think a big contributor of it is that it actually doesn't sound that wide, the kick doesn't thump that hard, but at least it is clean. I think the snare is actually a little too harsh here but that's just me. I listen on HS8s. Just my opinion.

Do know that I don't necessarily think that just because modern stuff is bigger and louder and often punchier that I think it's better, though.

>>125130905
>>125130920
>>125130950
Thanks guys. Couldn’t have done it without this place, I would always post here and just make music for myself, making a big step in sharing my stuff and people actually liking it enough to get asked to perform. First show is at a smaller venue opening for a couple other artists, but the second show is at one of the biggest dungeon synth festivals in the US so there will be quite a bit of people. Very scared but excited I’ve never performed live

https://voca.ro/163PfpcdeP7F

>>125130981
This was pretty neat. Def fit the bill, and a worthy successor in the line

>>125131328
This was like, tripping out but music, I really liked it a lot

>>125132909
>This was pretty neat. Def fit the bill, and a worthy successor in the line
means a lot. it was a team effort. a couple /mu/ anons really came through. will be released soon.

>>125132965
how'd you go about collaborating with anons on 4ch?

>>125133352
you have to be very sneaky cause jannies will uniroincally 3day anybody that isn't posting kpop or benefugal shill threads. i found a "metallica" thread where people were posting about "what if we wrote the lyrics to unforgiven 4?" and i said "well, i've got autism and i've already written 3/4 of a fake song"

wow, i come back after a while and suddenly everyone is so positive and helpful

>>125133772
I just miss Demarcus :(

Made some earrape in LMMS
https://vocaroo.com/1bFiXPkA88CJ

>>125133982
pretty bad anon, keep grinding <3

Do you guys think I can be a VG composer

https://voca.ro/1ifwaq7IoNmC

>>125135084
hmm, it just doesn't feel like there's much development during the initial portion, or too much of an established motif or idea. the quarter note melody at 18 seconds also feels like it comes out of nowhere and also doesn't seem to really go anywhere (while also sounding giving the piece a bit of a harmonically confused feeling). I feel like any potential motifs also just get swallowed in the mix. The sound design itself could be better balanced to let the individual lines be better heard. I'd work on development, direction, and balance.

>>125135147
I didn't really make it with any motifs in mind. I don't generally compose that way. I kind of get what you're saying about that quarter note being out of place, but it's supposed to be a pleasant surprise when it get's to that part.

>>125135211
>don't generally compose that way.
really? A song's recognizability is largely in part due to memorable melodies or rhythms that they can hum along to. And I don't know if you really 'choose' to have motifs in your music, more so you start writing a tune and you start making ideas that you'll play around with. To not do that would be to have a story without a narrative: it just doesn't really happen.
>pleasant surprise
what's pleasant is a piece of music that has clear ideas, harmony, and form and seeing the direction the musician takes with those things and develops them. I don't know if you'll go far without those building blocks.

>>125135251
I meant compose motifs in the classical sense where people create a melody and then build around that. I usually compose section by section.

Also i'm not hearing what you hear. I think the track has clear ideas, harmony and form

>>125135084
No. This is almost as bad as that one piece that someone posted here and/or on /v/ that was so bad it became a meme.
All I hear is 1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a1 +a2 +a 3e+a4e+a
ffs

>>125135284
Fair enough then. We'll just agree to disagree. Regardless, if you want to compose for something, then start studying music from genres or artists in that area. What I would do is look up sheet music for a piece I wanted to study and examine things like its harmony, form, motifs, and other stuff like instruments. If there isn't sheet music, then you'll have to transcribe it yourself. If you're already doing all this, then good: you can, in fact, become a VG composer.

>>125135310
The fuck? did you have a stroke mid-sentence?

>>125135328
That's a representation of the 'music' posted here: >>125135084

>>125135345
So what does it mean exactly?

Ok is this track any better? It's not as busy as the VG track posted above

https://voca.ro/17XW8O3uQcZH

>>125135366
Relentless, thoughtless motion. Specifically it's counting out the rhythm that underlies the majority of the clip.

>>125135385
it's more cohesive. not very interesting with not much going on, but it's serviceable with time for the listener to get acclimated to an idea (and then some).

So if i wanna make mashups like Triple-Q I just read the pastebin until I get good?

>>125125982
If electronic music:
Shorten the kick as much as possible so it matches the BPM, try 1/8 and 1/16. I use a volumeshaper for this because I want it perfect and don't want any click or other shit in the end of it. Sometimes I'm really anal about the kick and do the sub part of it in vital and add the highend from a sampled kick.

Separate the subbas and the midbass, eq them and duck them.

Don't use struff like trackspacer on the kick and bass, and don't use a compressor for ducking, use Duck, Kickstart or Volumeshaper.

>>125122777
how do you guys write without feeling or writing cringe?

>>125136628
By choosing a appropriate scale for what I'm going to write

I swear I just need to fucking give my guitars to someone in order to finally get producing. every time I wanna make music, I obviously just grab the most immediate thing, which is the guitar. and then I play stuff for half an hour and put it away. if my only way to express myself musically was prodding, then I'd probably fucking boot up Ableton already jfk

r8 me guitar noodlings

https://vocaroo.com/1kNlQKw5rRfZ

>>125137404
Real t b h it took me a while to develop the restraint to stop writing rock songs or playing guitar because they invariably caused me to just waste a whole day making shit that will never be serious for me.

Maybe don’t give them away and just move them to another room, de-string them, toss cables or whatever makes it inconvenient enough so you won’t play them

>>125125331
https://dmppresents.bandcamp.com/track/omg
Join us anus anus anus a-a-a-a-anus nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut,
oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god ,
oh my god (nut) oh my god (nut) oh my god (nut) oh my god ,
nut nut nut nut nut nut nut nut,
oh my god oh my god oh my godnut nut nut,

>>125137439
Unironically might stash them at my mom's place lol. Actually, I don't wanna make rock, but I do wanna use guitars in my music for Fennesz type shit. But I just grab the acoustic 90% of the time. And the remaining 10% I haven't fired up the DAW either...

>>125137437
noodling/10
write music instead

>>125135084
>https://voca.ro/1ifwaq7IoNmC
okay so you've studied species counterpoint. this could work for a bourgeois mansion that seems to be nice but something sinister lurks behind the curtains, like cainhurst manor before everyone got died. but i agree with the others that a little bit of a more coherent melodic theme would be good.

dnb-ish thing I made on commission for a game
I'll be honest I'm feeling kinda depressed with it even though the commissioner liked it

I like way more symphonic stuff usually but it's on a whole magnitude of difficulty to make so I never challenge myself to do that more

https://vocaroo.com/1has0aThUbUL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEjOdqZFvhY

Have you watched this educational instructional video? This gem is from the 90's and I'm watching it right now and wanted to share. What a trip!

>>125137902
any problem that can be solved by panning is better solved in composition and mixing

>>125137877
pretty interesting composition. the bass sounds overweighted to me but given the use case it probably won't be heard anyway

>>125137877
too much reverb on everything except the drums
the distorted chords just come across as a bit of annoying wash of noise
but you made the client happy so who cares
stop leaning on reverb so hard though, you're probably using it as a bit of crutch

>>125138102
It's supposed to be an underwater cave so the boomy/echoy vibe was kind of the wanted effect
I get it might be muddy though

>>125138110
drums ended up feeling detached from the rest of mix, but eh, i've had retarded requests from client and just went
>sure bro, whatever you want

>>125137902
>>125137962
don't rely on panning too much and don't let the video mislead you. it's a good video but you need to take into account the time it was made in. back then, the normal way to listen to music was via hifi stereo. and the way our ears work is that when you listen to stereo coming out of speakers, what's hard planned to the left channel will still enter your right ear, just at lower volume. so back then it was totally valid and common to just hard pan certain parts of an arrangement because it would still enter the other ear anyways. listen to the original Beatles mixes and masters, they're almost unlistenable with headphones because everything is hard panned which makes for an unpleasant listening experience in binaural.

>>125138567
First third of your post was right but bruh

>>125138639
do what you're saying is you're too retarded to understand how ears work since that's in the 2/3 part

>>125138711
lol okay

Beatles weren’t in stereo at the start and stereo is not synonymous with “binaural” m8

>>125138846
>stereo is not synonymous with “binaural” m8
which is why I distinguished between stereo hifi and headphones for the two? I think you might just have garbage reading comprehension. entire point of my post is that the modern listening experience is often binaural (headphones) which is why hard panning is not a thing you should do a lot anymore.

>>125137962
panning is when you make the sound go to the right or to the left right? Let's say I'm praying in a church, small church, would it be better to have the instruments "panned" or let everything in the middle? Usually they let everything in the middle position, but would not be better to "mimick" the real way the band is arranged in the ambient? Like, the singers in the middle, then I generally like to be at the right sight and at my left there's another guy playing guitar and to the extreme left there's another guy playing another guitar. Should we mimick the layout of the band in the mix console? What you guys say?

>>125138996
what problem are you solving by doing this? if it's that your drum transients are getting squashed by other instruments so you want to "move them out of the way," the first way to try doing that is with better composition/arrangement, and, if transients must overlap rhythmically, volume control. you can't prevent summing, but you can manage it with things like ducking. panning is actually volume control, but it's uneven in left and right. so you're still going to squash the other transient on the channel you pan it toward. you're not actually solving the problem. in some cases you're making it more obvious.

i would only ever use panning artistically, as a sound design tool. it's not good for mixing, not anymore. this anon is correct: >>125138567

a ref track im working against meters at -5 lufs man. you have to compete.

>>125138881
stereo effects are ubiquitious, it's rarely the intent to have an overall "lopsided" mix but headphone users barely factor into such decisions

random example of a recent release with hard panned instruments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbPqlbpNTeU

>>125138996
btw just so you know, in most daws, what is thought of as a panning knob is actually just a balance knob which turns up/down the already present left/right side information of the sound, it doesn't actually "pan" the sound. this fucked me over in the beginning.

>>125139136
it's used here artistically, not as a mix solution

>panning
Not reading y’all’s post because dumb

Panning should literally never be used as a “mixing” crutch.
You use it to create a nice stereo-field, for effect, and or to create illusions of depth if you’re into that fucky mid-side shit, but that’s a specific type of mixing and you’ll know you know what you’re doing when you get into that shit.

LCR or hard-panning is valid and if you suck at it or don’t “get” it that’s a skill issue.

okay is this thread just not about electronic music. am i just straight up in the wrong thread

>>125139268
It’s both.
People who can’t conceive of different approaches or goals for different styles tend to argue about dumb shit a lot though

>>125139113
lol post it

>>125139306
https://soundcloud.com/joytimecollective/viperactive-one-time

re-sampling all the drums like 5 times over

Literal autism, I fear

>>125139113
>>125139324
Competing against obnoxious UK dubstep is just not worth it, man.
Make something with substance and personality first, then fix the loudness during the mastering stage.

>>125139418
>>125139431
you're misinformed.

>>125139445
i just clipped it a bit more bro, it's up to -1.5 now.
i do that to all tracks i play out. they call me the floor destroyer, because by the time i'm done everyone's just waiting by the bar.

>>125139268
electronic (dance) music needs mono compatibility so definitely don't use panning as a mixing crutch but it's not a headphone thing it's a dancefloor thing

>>125139485
look at the waveform. it has range.

"loudness war" is such a sour grapes complaint...loud, dynamic, and artistic is not a "pick two" compromise

loud bad
old good

zoomer. tranny. cope. seethe.

how many notes per second can u play bro

the song popped into my head so i was wondering i anybody had done a decent cover of that background guitar(?) thing on yt (they have not)

-so i came across this little gem xD
OFFENSIVELY poor taste, which i must make your day worse with

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5ko8FiTp3J0

>>125140288
it's not that bad. how about you show us you playing something over it?

>>125140318
>"oh like you can do any better!?"
that doesn't make it good

it does not sound good or suit the song at all in any context ever except to flex his dick for other guitarists.
if you had proper audio monitoring like me you would easily be able to tell how bad it sounds.

>>125131664
thanks!
will do

>>125140341
I don't even necessarily disagree with you but it's weird to come in here and just hate on some random guys cover. Let the dude jam in his way, who cares? He probably isn't experienced or concerned too much about sculpting his tone perfectly for a cover, he was just playing and showing. I don't know why you're assuming I don't have proper monitors either. No need to be smug.

>>125140377
sorry i'm just finding ways to procrastinate right meow because my WIP is pissing me off and i'd rather be asleep

Is basic bitch-level composing as easy as just grabbing a chord progression and sticking a melody, harmony, and bass instrument over it in the respective registers?

>>125140756
>basic bitch-level
in concept yes.
in practice and in taste (what will actually sound pleasing) no.

https://vocaroo.com/1lJhGqLseli4

i grew tired of listening to this so i dont know what's what and i really would appreciate a feedback if its not shit or shit

>>125140756
the hardest parts for me is having to compromise one or more lines to give space for everything else as well as actually taking things somewhere. it's easy to get a 4-5 seconds of a rocking catchy tune, but actually developing it and keeping it interesting for 2+ minutes (even considering repeated material) is hard as hell for me.

>>125140804
that opening vocal loop isn't good enough that you can loop it that often for a minute straight. it's a bit loud as well compounding the issue.
the harmony that comes in later is fine.
mix is a bit flat overall.

>>125140863
thank you anon- san
how's the bass, drums, saws and pads?
I'll try to find another vocals for the track, though that's a daunting task
what do you mean by mix being flat?

>>125140863
yeah I was thinking similarly. I feel the individual samples are fine, but a bit more variety would help to keep it interesting. Perhaps just cut out the first 20 seconds and get straight to when the percussion starts.

>>125140341
these covers usually have more flair to make up for the lack of vocals or to represent multiple instruments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HivpeO-PlnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUmfsIKYRcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awE_eJDfQDA

>>125141020
well to be fair, maybe i just don't get the appeal of this type of... music.
i've always thought of it as appealing more as "content" to people

>>125140891
bass is filtered a bit too aggressively i think.
kick / bass clashing a bit, something needs a bit of eq'ing out of the way. probably related to bass sounding the way it does
pads are probably a hair loud.
saws are a bit buried don't like the basic autopan.
last pad is too loud and needs more movement.
limiter (or w/e is used for final loudness) is probably getting pushed too hard - prob also related to the way kick+bass sound.

Manual leveling: suifuel

Ableton needs auto-clip gain normalization!!!
stop making me do stupid studio intern shit!!!

worked >>125127488 on the arrangement i'd say it's good
now on to the nitty gritty stuff
fine tuning
more fills
more smoothness etc. etc.
https://voca.ro/1i0bBo3rLVBE
>>125131664
if you wanna give it a listen anon feel free

>>125141272
cheers mate, those will all be easy fixes, turns out i forgot to even sidechain the bass lol
but I'm much more concerned while making music with musicality, arrangement, melody, harmony, listenability, immersiveness, emotionality (?) etc. how are all of those things?

>>125141364
It's fine as I said, I'm not big on the vocal loop
Progression early is also a bit linear (add 1 element, loop x bars, repeat). I associate this sort of thing with music people make when starting out (because I did it too). Surprise me. Add two things at once. Drop something out. You can have a thing that happens once every 32 bars. Or once period.
It's feels like a relief when you drop the first half of the loop and bring in the harmony and it also feels better when you go into the last bit with no vocals
Just my 2c tho, this is not too far off from like early witchhouse stuff I think and I was never a huge fan

>>125140756
chord prog is a youtuber demoralization meme, you have to have a knack for melody above all. when guitarists are strumming they're hearing for melody, chords follow this as form follows function. try this bobby fischeresque exercise: write a compelling melody with only one pitch.

...

https://vocaroo.com/1nhMeskR9F54

>>125141289
buy a real clipper

>>125141457
i get you completely, i'm not really a beginner ( well, maybe i am) but for some odd reason repetitiveness is almost always a problem with my music. maybe because it sounds fine to me, for some reason its not repetitive to me so i dont fix it, also im lazy to go the extra mile to mix up the drums and add some flavour. i'll make a personal note so that every time i think the track is kinda finished, i'll mix up the drums a bit more so that they're not repetitive. i definitely know how to do it, its not that hard and i have done it sucessfully on couple of tracks but for some odd reason i usually miss it. maybe because i dont like working on drums that much lol

>>125141535
why is that bobby fischer- esque?

>>125141563
he would clear the chessboard to help his students think more clearly about chess

>>125141553
Make the music you like m8, lots of assholes like me out there with opinions, but do the thing that makes you happy. If it were up to me everything would sound like an objekt tune lol.

Hello, I'm retarded. I think I need someone to tear my shit apart.

https://vocaroo.com/15XEUz3E21fW

what you guys think of danger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Q7lpA5I9E

>>125141553
>>125141581
hugbox bs. anon admits his drawback is lack of effort. it's unbecoming to post stuff one didn't try for.

>>125141602
Calm down, m80. Not everyone wants to spend 200hrs per track

>>125141602
>hugbox bs
this

>>125141638
>Not everyone wants to spend 200hrs per track
that's fine, but do we really need to hand out participation trophies for people who just don't feel like seeing a song through due to effort or lack of skill?

>>125141701
Most people in these threads are making music for themselves (whether they want to admit it or not), and the amount of time they want to invest and the resulting end product is up to them
I posted my criticism of the track and anon took it on board and responded honestly and well - that's more than I can say for a lot of people who post here. If he likes how it sounds then that's the way he wants it to sound.

>>125141701
>>125141754
i really dont want to my music production turns into a job, in a sense that its grueling, tedious, soul crushing grind. i already have a real job to worry about that
if i forgot to sidechain bass or mix up the drums, so what? thats why we help eachother out here. i still dont want to make compromises to music quality in lack of effort etc. i simply dont want it to become a grind so i dont fuss about it so much

>>125141795
Good for you, m8
I almost killed myself making tunes for a while and basically stopped making music for 5 years because of it
Now I make tunes for myself, play them for friends once in awhile and then laugh when they ask if they can put them out
Do it for yourself, do what you enjoy doing, nothing else matters, especially now when the machines are going to flood the internet with garbage

>>125141795
How tf did you ban me for something I didn’t don for responding to you wtf

>>125141860
Sounds relatable, i burnt myself out in college/ work, turns out im not really cut out for that so i spend my time temporarily doing what i love and thats listening to and making music. I gotta say i do like it when people seem to enjoy my music, i would like it even more if more people did.
Why not put them out, though? You cant lose anything with that, the way it looks to me. Obviously if youre not restricted by a contract, which you probably wont be. If you wanna post one of your tracks here id be happy to hear it

>>125141982
>Why not put them out, though? You cant lose anything with that
Depending on who you are and how much attention you get, trust me you can lose a lot of your sanity
I'm not gonna post anything rn, but i wanna start something new up this year so maybe later
Peace

>>125142025
>Depending on who you are and how much attention you get, trust me you can lose a lot of your sanity
I dont get it, how? Like the fame could have negative effects? I do believe you cant gain anything by being famous but there are levels to fame, if you just have like for example 50k spotify monthly listeners only people in the know of that genre could know you, and they wouldnt even know much about you and practically no one irl would know you as a musician

>>125142078
NTA
since music tastes are so personal, there will ALWAYS be people who hate what you make. most of those people will just ignore your music, but there will always be an above zero portion of those people who will go out of their way to tell you how much your music sucks
barely anyone is immune to criticism, and generally those who are immune have built up that immunity over time (there's no vaccine for it)
so there's clearly some negative sides to fame and putting yourself out there, but for a lot of people the postives outweigh the negatives

I still can't cope with the fair, understandable, and correct criticism someone gave me years ago.

>>125142153
I got extremely shitty criticism here for years with no expansion on how to fix it and I’m still pissed about it

>>125142177
Did you figure it out or have you just been simmering with rage and complaining for years?

>>125142329
OF COURSE I figured it out because I am the best and I don’t rely on this stupid general duh

>>125142177
keep grinding <3

>>125142153
>>125142177
Criticism is valuable in all its forms, as you should expect it from all angles and colors, you're dealing with opinionated humans. Apply a filter to criticism ,discard the noise and keep the constructive signal.

>>125142345
You're probably in the minority here. Lots of reeee-ing and USI and delusion.

>>125142414
Yeah see but it starts this chicken and egg hell:
If you need criticism below a certain level you 100% are not capable of distinguishing (poor) criticism or making use of it.

~~i am adamant that you should not even post here before and after a certain level because you are not being helped and or you are not helping.
That’s assuming the goal of actually improving over time though so, you know~~

>below a certain skill level
don't post your tracks and DEFINITELY don't post feedback but lurking and absorbing is fine
>above a certain skill level
kinda pointless to post your tracks but providing feedback is valuable to others
>the sweet middle ground
post your tracks, they won't be ignored and you'll get the occasional helpful feedback

>>125142679
ya that’s what I’m saying know what I’m saying

>>125142679
This exists in pretty much every music production space on the internet, but the skill level markers just move up/down. e.g. most of the subreddits you can move all of the markers down significantly.

>>125142645
>>125142679
I have not seen this kind of mentality benefit any creative community anywhere, ever. As evidenced perhaps that half of this thread seems to be people bitching about it in one way or another

>>125141546
:)

>>125143057
Agreed. I've been part of several high-skill ceiling (pre-social media) communities and some of the best posts on those forums were humble masters laying down distilled experience on absolute fundamentals helping newbies out. Obviously since it's the internet you have elitist dickbags posting too but when you've reached the bleeding edge of your craft, sharing knowledge and love of sharing the art and pushing it forward trumps ego.

>>125143268
no ones saying that's not desired here.
we're saying that a lot of beginners have dunning kruger and think they can provide valuable feedback

>>125143278
NTA but if we think our primary audience, with zero production ability, can be valuable feedback, why would someone with that same level PLUS any level of production knowledge not also be at least a little valuable? Like, they can give double the amount of feedback a normal non-musical person could. Just a thought.

>>125143278
The blind leading the blind has value too because someone will jump in and set two retards straight at the same time.

>>125143290
most general threads are endless retardation, especially in music only the literal geniuses can make music that is actually good so there usually won't be someone here who is able and willing to set your shit straight and even then you might not listen to them because you're too retarded to know good advice when it's right in front of you

>>125143493
>most general threads are endless retardation
Can't argue with that

>>125143493
>only the geniuses can make music that is actually good
Lmfao! Good one!

>>125143883
anons have been doing this for decades and they're nowhere close to making anything that a decent sized audience would want to listen to. it's literally beyond their comprehension how much they are missing. there's a reason why people at the top are making BILLIONS of dollars while the average artist struggles to make minimum wage off of their music.

>>125137437
I make stuff that's similar to this. I like the bassline and your noodling has a sense of melody. I wish the solo had more of purpose it kind of meanders a bit. All in all you have talent so keep at it. Learn to write a song.

https://youtu.be/e8-nTxyVkHI?si=DRd4wLgvrvybn6b5
how do I get/make an 808 similar to the one in this song?

>>125145264
not familiar with the details, but this should serve as a temporary layer(104bpm, chop it) to your kick until someone provides clarification on the technical aspects.
https://vocaroo.com/1l402LVt0nca

>>125145264
This is definitely a sample that everyone has if they’re into trap lol, but I can’t recall the specific name right now

>>125137437
bold choice to mix the bass louder than the guitar

>>125141338
bass might need a bit of taming to make it sound even, at least to my ears but overall sounds good

>>125140390
I get it. Sleep it off then come back here and post something.

>>125145668
bass doesn't sound louder to me, but when they hone towards the same note it gets questionable. >>125137437 I admire your restraint. It is a little plain and safe, but I think the tone is great and I like that you let it sit and took it slow.

>>125145939
4chan thinks I'm spamming trying to put too many of you in the same post.

>>125141582
I know I've said this a few times in here already but EQ goes a long way. I am hearing that same buildup of frequencies I hear in a lot of people's music that post here. Low-mid range. I'll throw a quick EQ on this and sculpt from what i'm hearing and you can tell me if this sounds better to you or not.

https://vocaroo.com/19LExhzZpKJt

>>125141546
I like your weird sound design stuff anon, I know you post a lot. I would never listen to this stuff as a song ever, but I can appreciate it at least. I mean that mostly as a compliment.

>>125145939
Bass is very loud I took 10 DB off and its still very present.

https://voca.ro/12bRrxSxpTaE

>>125146083
yeah, you're right actually. I still miss a little bit of that really low low-end from the original, so maybe like 5-8db is perfect. But I never really had trouble hearing the guitar over the bass myself.

>>125146083
>turn the bass down
Metallica?

>>125145954
no I never post idk what you’re talking about <.<
> I would never listen to this stuff as a song ever, but I can appreciate it at least
This made me lol out loud though thanks

>>125143063
(:

How do I use Audacity to find out if this is truly lossless? I read online that if the frequencies extend beyond 22hz you've got the real item, but I'm not quite sure what I'm seeing here because I'm retarded and every other example website uses spek.cc or something.

>>125146686
the last two greyed lines are for 10k and 20k

i would guess lossy just by looking at this profile but some people just cut like that.
aren’t you supposed to check the file or whatever?

>>125146706
>aren’t you supposed to check the file or whatever?
I have no idea. It's wav if that's what you mean. I ended up getting spek, and I found a 320kbps version of the track I wanted versus the wav I had, and the 320kbps tops out at 20 while the wav tops out at 15, but they look identical in audacity and sound identical on my speakers. The word around the internet is don't play any 15khz file on club speakers, but not one of them seems to be speaking from experience. I'll just bite the bullet and see what happens. Thanks anon.

>listen to buzzy sample over and over
>can't find a way to make my buzz buzz like the sample
it's over.

IM GONNA FUCKING DO IT

SLAP A COMPRESSOR ON THE MASTER CHAIN

AND COMPRESS EVERYTHING THROUGH THERE
DO NOT STOP ME stop me YOU CAN NOT STOP ME

>>125146706
>>125147041
>aren’t you supposed to check the file or whatever?
a lot of files will say they're 320kbps but the actual audio content is clearly not when analysed

>>125147544
>mixing into the glue
gmi

finally learning how to do serum from "scratch"

https://vocaroo.com/1hpTsEbHMeZB

Do you feel like this arrangement is ready? Looking to do something between Abbey Road and the Ballad of Melody Nelson

All feedback is appreciated:
https://vocaroo.com/1iL2IZ9rP7d0

A studio guy advised us to get monitoring equipment
>small headphone amplifier with 4 outputs (we are 3 man band)
>wireless thingy to transmit wirelessly to IEM's or whatever we use to hear ourselves

is this good?

>>125146686
that's confusing lossless and nyquist frequency

>>125145645
anyone else know?

>>125150806
Bruh it’s been a whole day, you didn’t just make one?
Where’s your trap packs @@@@@@ ?
No lie snare? Zay 808 spinz trpaholic Luger snare boominati hats???

Get with it

>>125150858
I have a job

>>125145954
I see what you mean. I've been neglecting EQ, getting a comparison was pretty illustrative. Thank you. How's this?

https://vocaroo.com/16mzi6itq7iE

>>125150871
Time to quit your day job and focus on making trap beats your entire personality. Do you even want this??

>>125150871
>”I don’t care”
You could have found a compilation in like 5 minutes if you bothered looking at all m8, or idk, asked instead of being haughty in response to a joke

>>125144508
Thanks mang. Any advice on making things sound more "song like"? Like I thought a fairly defined chorus/verse/bridge thing would already be the basics of a basic instrumental song - were they not defined enough?


>>125145939
> It is a little plain and safe, but I think the tone is great and I like that you let it sit and took it slow.

Thanks but yeah I would rather not be playing it plain and safe. Tricky to strike the right balance between something that's catchy and memorable and something that's cool background music.


>>125146083
The bass in your new version sounds kinda neutered and meatless to me. Maybe it's down to headphones/speakers or I have a fetish for prominent bass.

https://vocaroo.com/1nW8fFPpA73X

Anyone know what's going on in this buzz-y sound and how to recreate it? It sounds very simple, but I just can't seem to even get close to recreating it despite my efforts.

>>125152967
loop go fast

Analyze the frequencies and do the math, unfortunately.
You can hear the square-ness but technically that could be distortion or playing a fifth because ratios etc (but probably not).
Would need context to guess any further about the input, but t b h I wouldn’t expect it to matter that much

>>125153014
Yeah, I'll have to do that. I am pretty sure it's square as it's from an NES track and they're full of those. I just need to find out how to modify it. Something to do after work.

>>125151333
>>125145939
I think a little bit of outside playing sprinkled in could help spicen it up without making it busier. Maybe more arpeggio playing? Just a thought. I'm not very good at doing outside playing myself and it's hard to make it sound good and deliberate.

>>125150886
this is definitely better than the original clip. Additionally, I think the reverb was part of what was helping create the original problem you had. I think maybe if you use a Reverb send and then heavily EQ out the low end, this will clear itself up a lot more. The bass gets a little resonant as it hits it's higher notes and the perceived loudness gets a lot higher. That's the kind of stuff you fix with multi-band compression or surgical EQing. But hey, it's an improvement already.

>>125152967
definitely PWM of some kind.

>>125147544
people do Mix busses all the time starting with stuff like this. I think it's pretty normal.

>>125146458
maybe it's not you i just assume pink hair anime girl is you whenever I see one lol.

Ms Frizzle and the Magic Mix Bus

I'm saving for a pair of monitors
Can I use headphones meanwhile? I have HD 25s and ATH M50s

>>125153566
You can do whatever you like. Why are you asking permission from a bunch of fart sniffing faggots?

>>125153566
well its not like you have any other option retard

>>125154618
True, my bad

>>125154626
Here's one of those faggots, should have known better

This isn't really a DAW question but I don't know where else to ask. I've been learning the guitar for a bit, been writing melodies and lyrics for as long as I can remember, but my weak point is and has always been composing percussion to go behind it. The kind of music I want to make isn't dance music, more power-pop stuff like Buzzcocks, The Jam, The Nerves, and 'elevated' indie pop rock like Eggstone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KaFtKBXK2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKidhyqddQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFZuSxh2XdU
cont.

>>125154945
I only have access to a bedroom recording set-up, so potentially that gives me some latitude in my approach to percussion, I'm thinking of using found-sound elements as percussive samples in combination with a Volca Drum I recently bought. One thing I really want to avoid is ugly sampled/MIDI electronic drum sounds trying to emulate real drums. But the sticking point for me so far is composing percussion for this type of music as a lot of resources on youtube etc. are geared at dance music and quite a different palette of sounds. In particular, a lot of dance music produced entirely in a DAW makes it very easy to tell what's being triggered at a particular time. But in some of the music I like, like the tracks above, it can be pretty hard to tell (especially during fills connecting bars or sections) what combination of elements are being hit at a time- kick, snare, other snare, etc. so it's harder (read: impossible so far) for me to break down these bits even by slowing the tracks down. I've struggle to spot the patterns that make up drum composition in some of this type of music too since it often isn't reliant on four-on-the-floor, often shifts both kick and snare all over the place, sometimes takes influence from latin music rather than blues rock, etc. but this type of hyper-melodic yet punchy rock is the sort of thing I feel I can write melodies for naturally, have the right sort of voice for, and can otherwise downscale reasonably to my punky lo-fi ability and set-up. Listening to the kinds of music I like and want to make has given me understanding of how some elements of it are put together and given me original ideas of my own, but the rhythm section seems to be the main thing I've no clue how to do on my own compositionally.

>>125154955
To a lesser extent I struggle to know precisely where to put the bass's notes as well (stuff like when to have a short tap vs. a longer hold in a given phrase or sequence). Years ago I'd be fine, I could just join a band and play a partial role and let others pick up what I can't do, but I live in provincial UK so if I want to make rock music that isn't twee fundie stuff I have to make it on my own. Any ideas or resources you can point me to?

https://vocaroo.com/1k2NZ6lXMfsy

>>125154955
>>125154970
If you pirate superior drummer 3 from rutracker (and install the the update), it comes with a few hundred tracks of human played midis that you can analyse and borrow to your heart's content.
But also, treat it like learning any other instrument; drum tabs exist, you can put tracks in your daw and copy along with a basic kit until you 'get' it.

>>125155032
I really like most of this besides the drum and bass of it. I like your epiano sound. The drums not only sound a little out of place but are also really really pokey, way too transient

>>125155032
recognised that sample straight away
not a fan of a lot of the snares you're using, aren't great samples.

>>125155253
which part is sampled? I'm unfamiliar

>>125155253
nigga I composed everything. I'm curious to know what I accidentally ripped off

>>125155363
>>125155378
thats craaaazy because i've had this sample in my library since Jan last year
and i'm 99% sure the chords are from the same pack
https://vocaroo.com/1a9OByZms2BG

>>125155655
KEK
Fucking exposed

>>125155655
>>125155032
oh wait, now that I listen again I can also hear it hard cut a little bit. This has an interesting modulation to it so I highly doubt if he used this that he also didn't use some kind of associated MIDI chord pack.

>>125155655
composing includes sampling, retard
he composed it

>>125155655
Buddy, I posted the beat a couple months ago and some dude asked for the stems. Was taht you?WHy You trolling? I MADE IT

>>125155655
I POSTED THOSE STEMS NIGGER. FUC K YOU!!@!!!!

/prod/, the most retarded general on 4ch

>>125155716
where's the line? if it's melody and chords entirely sampled from something else, is that still composed by him? I'm sure we'd both agree if I just add a hihat to a full-length song that already exists you would call it a stretch to say I composed it.

>>125155032
Is this what the kids call pluggnb?

>>125151333
When you play try humming a long so that you can create melodies and licks that go together. It also helps with creating tension and release within the solo

How do I make music like him?

>>125156019
he doesn't make music, it's made for him.

>>125156074
The process of making music like that

>>125156079
piano with reverb

>>125156090
I guess it's that simple

>>125156138
NTA but yep, now get to it! (I say as I'm sitting here not making or doing anything)

>>125156138
basically. most of his track are just basic lo-fi shit

I have a rack of outboard gear that I fool around with for recording and mixing. Stereo EQ, 2 mono comps, a stereo comp, and an SPX effects unit. I'm not savvy with connections and just run everything basically chained together (the outs of one unit go into the input of the next) in mono.

When mixing, I notice the levels returning from the gear is more quiet than the original outgoing signal. I try to compensate but almost every piece of gear has it's own output gain. What's the proper way to stage my levels and compensate without adding a ton of noise or feedback? Should I just get a patchbay?

hey brainlet and synthlet here
whats a decent entry synth that's designed for arpeggiating?
don't mind if it takes a while to learn, as i'm looking to get a few hundred hours of experimentation out of it

>>125156260
arpeggiators are usually part of every synth and even if they're not you often have an arpeggiator in your DAW that does it for you. Like FL studio just has a built in arpeggiator on every channel. Arpeggiators themselves are not special or unique to any synth like 99% of the time.

>>125156260
Your arpeggios will be boring unless you write them note by note

>>125156260
how is it so hard to just put the notes in there manually

>>125156300
>>125156346
i kinda like how the producers just sit there fiddling with knobs to change their arp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUXVSRwwaAw
this reminds me of when anon asked about vocalfy.com
for an audio clip to be worth hundreds of dollars to me it should have pristine sound quality and the delivery shouldn't be lifeless like an AI otherwise they're just ripping me off but then again if they could sing good maybe they could make their own music (with the help of producers) instead of it being like a fiverr side hustle

https://vocaroo.com/130ajOarZdwF

70~% sure this percussion was actually massive or vital at one time but 10 layers in idfk what happened lma0

>>125157878
Nigga do you just start your ableton sessions with a hit of galaxy gas?

>>125157952
No I have been SOBER for… months !!
I can’t make music on drugs at all it’s very sad

>>125157878
do you enjoy listening to this?

>>125158044
Sometimes it’s just for exploration and expressing dissociation jkry0

https://vocaroo.com/1le4G8U9ulf6
any feedback on this? i think it's almost done.

>>125155032
This some ragnarok online shit

>>125157878
What kind of drugs do you need for this to be music

i need to learn more about percussion

Honestly heard the worst music in my life on /prod/

>>125160004
same, but what's worse is some of the most annoying shit has gotten stuck in my head and appeared hours or days later.

>>125159168
>if i asked you to be part of my day
>could you tell me that you'd be gay
fucking hell anon, this is some of the worst shit i've ever heard, but props to you for putting it out there. I think it's a compositional mess and the lyrics are underageb& tier levels of gay and lame.

>>125160004
a lot of the music here is bad, including some stuff i’ve posted as i’ve been learning and reciprocating feedback too but this type of aimless cattiness is killing one of the few half decent places for prod discussion despite all its imperfections. this is literally just one contained thread you don’t have to click on it like damn, go be a whiny fag somewhere else if you hate it so much.

>>125160004
Everyone like to self-express, just like you did.

>>125160004
are you consuming newer people's music anywhere else? It's not much better elsewhere

I've been making music for years, only using free VSTs all this time,and I've scratched the surface for stuff. Which is the best free stuff for FL studio or stuff that isn't too expensive? I want to make better music. Is there any tutorials for advanced stuff or for learning how to sing?

>>125162311
You need to specify style, goals, what you already have/want to venture into m8

>>125162311
some of the great free VSTs that I see a lot of people use in videos and myself are things like:

OTT compressor
GClip
Valhalla Frequency Echo
Fruity Convolver (really slept on reverb plugin)
SPAN
PaulXStretch (good for big ambient stuff)
Fire (lots of distortion algorithms)
Krush (bitcrushing + dist)
Any of the free TAL plugins

for Synths/Libraries:

Vital
Surge
Anything from the Spitfire Labs that is free (good epiano and stuff)
Harmor (if you have the proper FL version)

If you have a little bit of a budget, we can start branching out to like a million things.

>>125162449
I mostly make general things
>>125162545
Thank you.

>>125160907
>>could you tell me that you'd be gay
it's supposed to say game
>and the lyrics are underageb& tier levels of gay and lame
i wrote the lyrics in 5 minutes

This is what's going to get me out of poverty
https://voca.ro/17UOLksnMU3X

>>125163735
>https://voca.ro/17UOLksnMU3X
30 seconds, that's all you got from me senpai.

How do you go about making pitched percussion? This one sample I'm trying to recreate has a waveform that looks like a really disjointed and varying square wave and has a mostly atonal sound to it, but it has a consistent overarching waveform pattern and some pitch content all the same. I assume I'd need to absolutely JUST the harmonics, but my only (limited) experience with synthesizing drums is just using a noise generator, which results in things being completely atonal and a waveform with 0 pattern.
I've tried tweaking the individual harmonics, but that seems too laborious to actually be what the person who made it was doing (I pray), and adding a noise generator on top of a waveform doesn't give me the visual result of pic related. Really not sure what to try from here, or if I'm even asking how to do the right thing to recreate it.

>>125162311
you can do everything you need to do with stock fl plugins

basta thread

>>125164821
post a song that you made with just stock fl plugins

>>125165250
Bruh fl synths go crazy why are you acting like that’s a challenge lmao

>>125165670
you’re welcome

this movie inspired me to throw my life away

>>125165697
i think im on a similar road

>>125165739
welcome.
just remember:
you’re here FOREVER

>>125165250
i want the op of that post to post their music

literally just throw maximus on anything and your song can be a radio hit

>>125161282
Based

>>125165753
<3 but im /dmp/ property for now, appreciate man
>im still here
always been, lurking

buy our album faggots, ill steal the money later

>>125165754
Yall really just be saying anything

>>125165852
the /gen/ isn’t just a concept, it is wherever we are, fren

>>125165949
as it should be(I think? im a newfag)

>>125166002
Idk same

>>125165250
i'll make something after work today, check back in like 12 hours

>>125166094
Oh right, so you don't readily have a backlog of songs you've made using solely FL stock plugins? But surely that's all you need? Make something if you want, but you already gave the response I expected, so it'll just be another turd for the pile rather than proving a point.

>>125166642
i'm not the guy you were talking to
i've just been using 3xOsc a lot recently so thought this would be fun to do
the stock drum samples will be interesting

>>125166699
on that note, the sine waves from 3xOsc sound so much better than Serum
am i just retarded?

new
>>125166758
>>125166758
>>125166758

>>125165877
>Yall
great contribution, fag

>>125166703
Yeah but that's not why you're retarded tho

>>125165875
This gif goes hard

>>125166907
I am Deep South and more hateful than you can ever be piss off