Energy work?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:04:42 | 49 comments | 9 images
What is this energy work that anons keep mentioning?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:37:00 No.39694609
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:41:12 No.39694639
>>39694428
A pile of bullshit. The spiritual has no energy or mass, while the material has energy and mass. Performing spiritual works does not include energy. The spiritual is the Potential, the Essence, while that which is manifested is the Actual, The Accidental. The former is perfect, the latter is flawed. Yet we can draw down the perfect into this realm by creating images. Humans are the only creature that can do this. We can create images and contemplate the Essence, while animals cannot. Just like creating children we can also jam spirits into chunks of matter via creating talismans at an auspicious time. Animals also cannot do this.
A pile of bullshit. The spiritual has no energy or mass, while the material has energy and mass. Performing spiritual works does not include energy. The spiritual is the Potential, the Essence, while that which is manifested is the Actual, The Accidental. The former is perfect, the latter is flawed. Yet we can draw down the perfect into this realm by creating images. Humans are the only creature that can do this. We can create images and contemplate the Essence, while animals cannot. Just like creating children we can also jam spirits into chunks of matter via creating talismans at an auspicious time. Animals also cannot do this.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:44:17 No.39694670
New age woo.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:45:47 No.39694676
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:46:54 No.39694681
>>39694676
>I don't understand it, so it's bullshit
Cool. Stay in your lane. Magic isn't for simple people like you. It is for mages who understand philosophy and Plato's World of Forms.
>I don't understand it, so it's bullshit
Cool. Stay in your lane. Magic isn't for simple people like you. It is for mages who understand philosophy and Plato's World of Forms.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:48:08 No.39694690
>>39694428
the same stuff you're used to doing, mostly. telepathic means are available.
the same stuff you're used to doing, mostly. telepathic means are available.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:48:50 No.39694695
>>39694681
Hah. You want my lane but are too ignorant to see it.
Hah. You want my lane but are too ignorant to see it.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:49:35 No.39694700
>>39694428
>>39694639
>>39694681
Another perfect example of the problem /x/ has with vague terms being equivocated.
Is "energy work" the same as "spirituality" the same as "magic"?
Because none of you anons have used the same term or talked about the same things.
So why do you think you are pointing to the same thing?
>>39694639
>>39694681
Another perfect example of the problem /x/ has with vague terms being equivocated.
Is "energy work" the same as "spirituality" the same as "magic"?
Because none of you anons have used the same term or talked about the same things.
So why do you think you are pointing to the same thing?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:50:17 No.39694706
>>39694695
I'm simply sharing something that seems to produce tangible results rather than flights of fancy. Look up Clifford Low and Chris Warnock.
I'm simply sharing something that seems to produce tangible results rather than flights of fancy. Look up Clifford Low and Chris Warnock.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:51:45 No.39694719
>>39694700
There is nothing new under the sun. Occult means hidden and the three hidden sciences, alchemy, astrology and magic will always remain hidden because that is their virtue. There was no golden age where magic was known to all. It will always be a secret and even if it was shared it would be rejected.
There is nothing new under the sun. Occult means hidden and the three hidden sciences, alchemy, astrology and magic will always remain hidden because that is their virtue. There was no golden age where magic was known to all. It will always be a secret and even if it was shared it would be rejected.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:53:05 No.39694728
>>39694706
You have strong logic, but the words 'energy work' are more intuitive, which can be useful for many. Also, citing other overly verbose individuals doesn't really tickle most intuitive fancies.
You have strong logic, but the words 'energy work' are more intuitive, which can be useful for many. Also, citing other overly verbose individuals doesn't really tickle most intuitive fancies.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:53:56 No.39694733
>You have energy
>Work on it
Simple as.
>Work on it
Simple as.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:54:21 No.39694737
>>39694728
Magic is a practical thing. No psychic powers or intuition are necessary. The only thing you need are the powers of the celestial virtues to make it understandable to you, where the knower and known become one. It is as practical as being a blacksmith or dentist despite it being hidden. And I would not trust a dentist with mere intuition alone.
Magic is a practical thing. No psychic powers or intuition are necessary. The only thing you need are the powers of the celestial virtues to make it understandable to you, where the knower and known become one. It is as practical as being a blacksmith or dentist despite it being hidden. And I would not trust a dentist with mere intuition alone.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:54:58 No.39694744
>>39694719
>Occult means hidden
Indeed. And the CIA has all sorts of occult information. You cannot use "occult" and assume people mean those three specific topics.
And I use "specific" very VERY loosely.
And I will point out that you didnt actually help with the terms already in use in the thread.
You only added another term that is used extremely vaguely and that people equivocate in ways that make discourse harder.
>Occult means hidden
Indeed. And the CIA has all sorts of occult information. You cannot use "occult" and assume people mean those three specific topics.
And I use "specific" very VERY loosely.
And I will point out that you didnt actually help with the terms already in use in the thread.
You only added another term that is used extremely vaguely and that people equivocate in ways that make discourse harder.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:56:10 No.39694750
>>39694744
I dropped two very good names who know far more than I and Christopher Warnock dedicated his entire life to building a treasure trove of an astrology site, which is the basis of magic itself.
I dropped two very good names who know far more than I and Christopher Warnock dedicated his entire life to building a treasure trove of an astrology site, which is the basis of magic itself.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:56:52 No.39694753
>>39694750
Since you can only repeat what others tell you - what do THEY say are the meaning of these terms?
Since you can only repeat what others tell you - what do THEY say are the meaning of these terms?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:00:30 No.39694778
>>39694753
They themselves follow the traditions of the pre 1700s mages before the corruption of secular materialism so they essentially repeat what they say. A tradition is passed down. Unlike our modern perception, no man is an island unto himself and we need the help of our superiors who devoted their lives to a craft. An eminent blacksmith does not become one without a master.
>The concept of an image benefits from an understanding of both Plato and Aristotle's Theories of Forms. When a person recognizes a representation it is not a neurological reaction but in Plato especially it is a cosmic cascade which links the World of Forms with the Sublunar. This is the only way to draw down a spirit of time into matter, which is difficult and rare as they are of oppositional natures. Image is not just a euphemism for talisman but a link between magic and ancient cosmologies and theories of physics.
>Another somewhat more popular modern approach is to see the mechanism of astrology, magic and alchemy, as a sort of energy, field or magnetism, and to approach the Hermetic arts as simply another form of technology. Certainly the operation of interconnection and Cosmic sympathy has been seen in terms of rays and light, in Al-Kindi's Stellar Rays, for example, but this energy is spiritual and does not obey the laws governing matter and energy. The fact that spiritual energy acts at a distance, moves infinitely far instantaneously breaking the 186,000 miles per second limit of the speed of light and can be approach as either an impersonal force or a personality, means that it cannot be understood in the Modern World View.
They themselves follow the traditions of the pre 1700s mages before the corruption of secular materialism so they essentially repeat what they say. A tradition is passed down. Unlike our modern perception, no man is an island unto himself and we need the help of our superiors who devoted their lives to a craft. An eminent blacksmith does not become one without a master.
>The concept of an image benefits from an understanding of both Plato and Aristotle's Theories of Forms. When a person recognizes a representation it is not a neurological reaction but in Plato especially it is a cosmic cascade which links the World of Forms with the Sublunar. This is the only way to draw down a spirit of time into matter, which is difficult and rare as they are of oppositional natures. Image is not just a euphemism for talisman but a link between magic and ancient cosmologies and theories of physics.
>Another somewhat more popular modern approach is to see the mechanism of astrology, magic and alchemy, as a sort of energy, field or magnetism, and to approach the Hermetic arts as simply another form of technology. Certainly the operation of interconnection and Cosmic sympathy has been seen in terms of rays and light, in Al-Kindi's Stellar Rays, for example, but this energy is spiritual and does not obey the laws governing matter and energy. The fact that spiritual energy acts at a distance, moves infinitely far instantaneously breaking the 186,000 miles per second limit of the speed of light and can be approach as either an impersonal force or a personality, means that it cannot be understood in the Modern World View.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:02:37 No.39694793
>>39694778
I see the terms being used.
I do not see the terms being defined.
>Another somewhat more popular modern approach is to see the mechanism of astrology, magic and alchemy, as a sort of energy, field or magnetism
So is magic field, then? Magnetism?
>but this energy is spiritual and does not obey the laws governing matter and energy
Energy? Spiritual?
What do these terms MEAN?
It seems your authors have no answer, either.
I see the terms being used.
I do not see the terms being defined.
>Another somewhat more popular modern approach is to see the mechanism of astrology, magic and alchemy, as a sort of energy, field or magnetism
So is magic field, then? Magnetism?
>but this energy is spiritual and does not obey the laws governing matter and energy
Energy? Spiritual?
What do these terms MEAN?
It seems your authors have no answer, either.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:03:47 No.39694799
I know what I mean when I use these terms.
They are distinct.
I could share the concepts they point to, but you would probably want to disagree.
Because I have always found that people that cant define a term will ALWAYS immediately say your definition is wrong.
They are distinct.
I could share the concepts they point to, but you would probably want to disagree.
Because I have always found that people that cant define a term will ALWAYS immediately say your definition is wrong.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:04:08 No.39694803
>>39694793
>It seems your authors have no answer, either.
This is all far more than I can share on a thread. It requires an understanding of the 10 spheres of Aristotle and those two people have extensively talked on the topic. They can answer your concerns. Clifford has a youtube channel called GrimoireTV and Warnock has a decades old site called renaissanceastrology.
>It seems your authors have no answer, either.
This is all far more than I can share on a thread. It requires an understanding of the 10 spheres of Aristotle and those two people have extensively talked on the topic. They can answer your concerns. Clifford has a youtube channel called GrimoireTV and Warnock has a decades old site called renaissanceastrology.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:05:18 No.39694806
>>39694803
>It requires an understanding of the 10 spheres of Aristotle
Then you shouldnt use the terms if they require such extensive and rare study to be understood.
I dont think that is the case, but you will only have confusion and discord with your ideas.
>It requires an understanding of the 10 spheres of Aristotle
Then you shouldnt use the terms if they require such extensive and rare study to be understood.
I dont think that is the case, but you will only have confusion and discord with your ideas.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:06:57 No.39694813
>>39694737
riiiiiight. so, both paths are valid. intuition can be just as useful as rigorous logic. you don't NEED one or the other, both have interplay. acting like there's no intuition necessary is just
>a pile of bullshit.
riiiiiight. so, both paths are valid. intuition can be just as useful as rigorous logic. you don't NEED one or the other, both have interplay. acting like there's no intuition necessary is just
>a pile of bullshit.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:07:10 No.39694814
>>39694806
This system is all really quite simple if you manage to understand it. I also recommend John Frawley and his book The Real Astrology. I also recommend the renaissance mages Marsilio Ficino and William Lily. As well as the Picatrix (beware, the picatrix is loaded with booby traps to punish those who don't deserve it).
This system is all really quite simple if you manage to understand it. I also recommend John Frawley and his book The Real Astrology. I also recommend the renaissance mages Marsilio Ficino and William Lily. As well as the Picatrix (beware, the picatrix is loaded with booby traps to punish those who don't deserve it).
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:08:18 No.39694821
>>39694813
You won't be able to make a mastercraft sword with mere intuition. Nor could you compose a masterpiece. You need UNDERSTANDING.
You won't be able to make a mastercraft sword with mere intuition. Nor could you compose a masterpiece. You need UNDERSTANDING.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:08:47 No.39694825
>>39694706
Why do fringe people always have Times New Roman Creed’s Blog Thoughts 1998-style shitty websites? They’re like the internet version of run-down small town hardware stores. Spend 8 seconds to build a better site it’s 2025, fuck.
Why do fringe people always have Times New Roman Creed’s Blog Thoughts 1998-style shitty websites? They’re like the internet version of run-down small town hardware stores. Spend 8 seconds to build a better site it’s 2025, fuck.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:09:42 No.39694827
>>39694814
>This system
Irrelevant. There is no productive conversation if everyone is using the same word for wildly different conceptions.
You can point to as many other people that think better than you as you wish.
But you have given me no confidence that they would have an y better answer than you.
Certainly not any that rubbed off on you that you could regurgitate.
How do you use a word that you cant personally define?
I seriously think /x/ needs to spend some time contemplating what the fuck they are saying.
>This system
Irrelevant. There is no productive conversation if everyone is using the same word for wildly different conceptions.
You can point to as many other people that think better than you as you wish.
But you have given me no confidence that they would have an y better answer than you.
Certainly not any that rubbed off on you that you could regurgitate.
How do you use a word that you cant personally define?
I seriously think /x/ needs to spend some time contemplating what the fuck they are saying.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:09:48 No.39694829
>>39694825
He's an old man now who founded that site in the 90s, I don't know what else to say. Also you are on 4chan of all places which is also stuck on the Y2K. But focus on the aesthetic rather than the information and resources he provides, I guess.
He's an old man now who founded that site in the 90s, I don't know what else to say. Also you are on 4chan of all places which is also stuck on the Y2K. But focus on the aesthetic rather than the information and resources he provides, I guess.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:11:17 No.39694839
>>39694827
Energy is something that is definable and tangible. It is one mode of the actualities like matter. But not all components of our body is definable and tangible: it evades rationality. The material is actual, the spirit is potential.
Energy is something that is definable and tangible. It is one mode of the actualities like matter. But not all components of our body is definable and tangible: it evades rationality. The material is actual, the spirit is potential.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:13:39 No.39694851
>>39694821
it's funny, your preaching of understanding while proving such scant comprehension. and none of those would've been possible without the initiatory power of intuition.
it's funny, your preaching of understanding while proving such scant comprehension. and none of those would've been possible without the initiatory power of intuition.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:14:34 No.39694855
>>39694839
>Energy is something that is definable and tangible.
According to what? Science and physics? I agree, but then it no longer corresponds to "magic" and "spiritual" and "occult".
What do you MEAN by energy?
> the spirit is potential.
Potential is energy is matter.
This is what I mean. You want to use physics, but then you abandon physics for confusion.
So is that what you mean by "spiritual"? Potential energy? If I lift a rock ten meters, that's spiritual.
>Energy is something that is definable and tangible.
According to what? Science and physics? I agree, but then it no longer corresponds to "magic" and "spiritual" and "occult".
What do you MEAN by energy?
> the spirit is potential.
Potential is energy is matter.
This is what I mean. You want to use physics, but then you abandon physics for confusion.
So is that what you mean by "spiritual"? Potential energy? If I lift a rock ten meters, that's spiritual.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:15:08 No.39694860
>>39694851
Yet understanding makes it real and actual. Understanding is the point where the knower and known become one. An intuition without understanding is useless. Understanding is also what we need to escape the so called "matrix".
Yet understanding makes it real and actual. Understanding is the point where the knower and known become one. An intuition without understanding is useless. Understanding is also what we need to escape the so called "matrix".
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:15:46 No.39694863
>>39694428
It means learn to feel your sensations and control the nerve energy so you can create stuff like mental/emotional healing or psionic thought projections with it.
It means learn to feel your sensations and control the nerve energy so you can create stuff like mental/emotional healing or psionic thought projections with it.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:15:54 No.39694864
>>39694821
you're doing the equivalent of handing a toddler an advanced calculus textbook and saying driveling on about number theory.
you're doing the equivalent of handing a toddler an advanced calculus textbook and saying driveling on about number theory.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:16:15 No.39694867
>>39694855
Nope. The potential is not manifested or actual so it has no energy or mass. It exists in the bedrock of reality that has not been manifested. Our core drive, the sex drive, is based on the desire of the potential to be manifested into something actual.
Nope. The potential is not manifested or actual so it has no energy or mass. It exists in the bedrock of reality that has not been manifested. Our core drive, the sex drive, is based on the desire of the potential to be manifested into something actual.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:16:25 No.39694868
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:17:16 No.39694874
>>39694864
Good point. But I'm a nasty piece of work so sometimes I don't know when to stop.
Good point. But I'm a nasty piece of work so sometimes I don't know when to stop.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:18:34 No.39694884
>>39694867
>The potential is not manifested or actual so it has no energy or mass.
Potential energy IS energy.
You tried to use a definition that is counter to your conceptions.
You are demonstrating the exact problem I see all over /x/.
>Our core drive, the sex drive
So now it's sex? Spiritual is just reproductive urge.
You are all over the place.
>The potential is not manifested or actual so it has no energy or mass.
Potential energy IS energy.
You tried to use a definition that is counter to your conceptions.
You are demonstrating the exact problem I see all over /x/.
>Our core drive, the sex drive
So now it's sex? Spiritual is just reproductive urge.
You are all over the place.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:20:06 No.39694891
>>39694884
A mage trying to explain everything to someone else is like dropping a frozen chicken into a vat of oil. I handed you those sources, I won't say any more because not only am I an apprentice, but even if I did say something air tight you probably wouldn't get it. But I invite you to do so. This world has secrets waiting for you to unveil it. Good day.
A mage trying to explain everything to someone else is like dropping a frozen chicken into a vat of oil. I handed you those sources, I won't say any more because not only am I an apprentice, but even if I did say something air tight you probably wouldn't get it. But I invite you to do so. This world has secrets waiting for you to unveil it. Good day.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:30:10 No.39694929
>>39694874
yeah, I've got a touch of the 'tism too.
yeah, I've got a touch of the 'tism too.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:31:19 No.39694936
>>39694929
My Mercury is in conjunction with my Ascendant in reception to a fallen Saturn, and there is a variety of other nastiness going on in my chart. So I am an autist and I'm well aware of my info dumping.
My Mercury is in conjunction with my Ascendant in reception to a fallen Saturn, and there is a variety of other nastiness going on in my chart. So I am an autist and I'm well aware of my info dumping.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:39:59 No.39694975
>>39694428
What every 25 year old basement-dwelling neckbeard needs - a job in the oil fields or rigs. Drill, baby, drill.
What every 25 year old basement-dwelling neckbeard needs - a job in the oil fields or rigs. Drill, baby, drill.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:48:09 No.39695025
>>39694821
What if my true will is to be free from all the occult bullshit and become le God?
What if my true will is to be free from all the occult bullshit and become le God?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:49:00 No.39695027
>>39695025
By pursuing the occult i.e the hidden, you shine light on the hidden, which frees you from it. This is the path of mystical union with God.
By pursuing the occult i.e the hidden, you shine light on the hidden, which frees you from it. This is the path of mystical union with God.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:51:02 No.39695040
>>39695027
I have felt that its all bullshit. But i just realized i don't really want omnipotence but just my goals and goals and goals and more goals and way more and then some more.
I am not made to be God. I am made to eternally become more God.
I have felt that its all bullshit. But i just realized i don't really want omnipotence but just my goals and goals and goals and more goals and way more and then some more.
I am not made to be God. I am made to eternally become more God.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:51:50 No.39695047
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:57:41 No.39695082
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:54:37 No.39695350
>>39695047
Have any ideas on how to intensify a desire so much it literally stings to not pursue it? Without me interfering in making it a reality, of course.
Have any ideas on how to intensify a desire so much it literally stings to not pursue it? Without me interfering in making it a reality, of course.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:04:36 No.39695391
>>39695350
Whenever your desire becomes stronger than you are. Which is not something you generate yourself but rather something that is written in the celestial sphere. The celestial powers have to ordain it. Otherwise your desire is barren.
Whenever your desire becomes stronger than you are. Which is not something you generate yourself but rather something that is written in the celestial sphere. The celestial powers have to ordain it. Otherwise your desire is barren.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:20:26 No.39695471
>>39694639
>The spiritual is the Potential, the Essence, while that which is manifested is the Actual
The "Actual" has many layer/octave/densities. The "spiritual" generally refers to more subtle layers above this one.
Those realms would still have energy and forms.
>The spiritual is the Potential, the Essence, while that which is manifested is the Actual
The "Actual" has many layer/octave/densities. The "spiritual" generally refers to more subtle layers above this one.
Those realms would still have energy and forms.