how about a different flavor of mental illness

>>700984406
literally every single paint is so gaudy and stupid looking i have no idea how anybody can apply that to their cosmetics

There is not a single downside to removing Pyro from TF2. Pyro was created for retards playing on dialup and is no longer needed. Every person who mains him is either a furry, a woman, or a tranny. He is a net negative on the game.

>>700987115
Soldier*

>>700987293
I shit on pyros all day long as soldier. It is trivial to counter airblast if you have a brain. The only classes Pyro is effective against are spies and heavies (scorch shot).

>>700987290
Soldier is the core of any offensive push. TF2 would revert into an overwatch style deathball game without him.

>>700987293
you gotta be dogshit to be caught in a corner by a pyro with degreaser/ax combo in 2025 especially as soldier
oh well TF2's always had an endless revolving door of fucking newfags who don't know what they're doin

>>700984406
Why are Pyro mains like this

>>700987808
Trannies see a mentally ill freak in a gimp suit and think
>OMG he's literally me!

>>700988027
this applies to most medic and heavy mains as well

>>700989013
10 lime/pink scouts comparing MGE elo dick size (2000+ elo means they're 2 inches hard!) is still less annoying than one faggot pyro

>>700984406
>best mains (in terms of non mental illness)
Demo mains
>worst
Pyro

>>700989508
some stock demos with pockets tend to be fags, though it's kind of rare. about as common as a scout tranny. they exist to the point where you can identify them but you can't associate scout as the tranny class same way you can with pyro.

any knight playstyle on demo is 100% tranny/insufferable faggot

>>700989013
you can say a lot of things about scout mains but being gay/autistic isn't one of them.
they're the xbox 360 kiddies who grew up with mw2 and dubstep.

>>700987049
Sone of the lighter team colored ones are nice

>>700990002
i've ran into a couple of faggot scouts raging in text chat about muh homophobia/carrying porn objectors to show to kids in pubs. it's rare, but they do exist

Post your loadouts
https://files.catbox.moe/g9j88y.png
here's my Medic's and Pyro's loadouts, my mains

>>700989621
Demos with shields are much less annoying to deal with than with stickies.

>>700987808
hes cute and pyro players are cute

>>700990331
They're like kunai spies. Either they're a free kill or they farm your teammates and have so much health you can't do anything about them before they get away.

>>700984406
What is it about the Blighted Beak cosmetic that attracts… those people?

>>700989013
I will take a Scout spamming lenny face keybinds after every kill like they're stuck in 2013 over Pyrofags who act like they're that Scout main while playing the baby class in their diapers.

>>700984406
>gay, retarded, degenerate
>have 0 out of 5 of those items
They will never know my secre-
>main pyro anyway
fuck

>>700990151
Probably some faggot Soldier mains being forced to play scout. Let me guess, when playing a class that actually takes skill to play, they were bottom fragging?
I have never seen a Scout main who wasn’t a chud.

>>700990869
>faggot Soldier mains being forced to play scout
Who does that? When playing Soldier doesn't work I go Heavy.

>>700987290
hi pyrocynical

should I get into TF2 in 2025? I hear the bots are gone
I played like 2 games in 2013 and that's it but it seems like a good time

>>700989508
My most hours played are as Pyro and second most is demo, I think you guys are just erotically obsessed with annoying faggots

>>700990710
are plague doctors "those people"core now? say it aint so

>>700984406
I fucking hate how TF2 got infested with these leftie troon retards fagging up my safe space. I hope Gabe does some far right thing out of nowhere and alienates these degenerate scum.

>>700990969
Soldier hate is genuinely the weirdest take I've ever seen in tf2

>>700987808
I like girls in suits.

>>700988027
>>700989013
I knew I stayed up for more than pudding

>>700991108
demoknight and hybridknight shitters dont count

>>700987049
Team colours, white, black, browns and subdued non-team colours can look good. It's garbage like lime green and hot pink that soils TF2 paints.

>>700992260
This mas has been lost to the Source void.

>>700992256
>Spychecking
spy is already the weakest class in the game
scout can spycheck just as if not more effectively since he can chase down dead ringers and big earners and is much harder to trickstab
>Aera control to handle multiple players instead of 1vs1
soldier and demo are infinitely better at this
>Force vac to have 3 resistance instead of 2
only phlog is a meaningful counter and two broken weapons countering each other isn't a justification for them existing
>Afterburn force ennemy to go back instead of pushing when they're low
slowing games down to a crawl, making teams more dependent on med when he is already the best class in the game, and being generally irritating and braindead strategy. nobody aside from pyro trannies would miss their scorch shot crutch being deleted from the game.

>>700987539
Pyro is dogshit against heavy.

I regret getting a regular blight mask when the robo version is just better for what i'm searching

Pyro shouldn’t be able to airblast invulnerable players under the effects of a stock Ubercharge.

>>700992561
That not even moving the goalpost, it's removing it from the stadium at this point

>>700992649
cry more scorch shot tranny

The dragon’s fury is fun though.
Pyro wouldn’t be as cringe if all of his non-Phlog primaries used the shitty DF airblast.
You cant spam it, it prevents you from doing anything for what feels like an eternity, I barely even use it at all unless I see a crocket coming towards me.

>>700992719
Truly the words of someone who is mentally sane and doesn't present his shitty opinions as facts

>>700992898
this u?
https://youtu.be/7PDiCk-lvMA

>>700992317
lol that's hypnohud for you

This whole thread is
>I hate airblast, it such an awful mechanic ruining the game and Valve will rot on hell for creating it
>B-but it doesn't impact me at all personally, i can counter Pyro no problem even when i'm picked at the worst time at close range in closed space because i'm just good. Bro just trust me

>>700993087
>I hate airblast
all of two posts are whining about airblast and one of them is about moving players and not reflects
reflecting projectiles has never been the issue with pyro

>>700993087
The Dragon’s Fury has a far more balanced and appropriate airblast and every flamethrower except the phlog should be given it’s much shittier and clunkier airblast.
Not the seething soldiertard btw, but airblast is cancer except for in the case of the DF.

>>700993221
DF airblast is so bad it may as well not exist.
Might as well play phlog.

>>700993087
pyro isn't even inherently that bad. he works to some degree but the issue is that in TF1 he was literally designed to be useless and in vanilla tf2 he was objectively the worst class in the game. airblast is the only thing that gives pyro purpose outside of some weapons and flanks to utilize those weapons, but at the end of the day he's annoying in pubs because meds dont exist. ive found since getting good that you can meatshot the average pyrofag and get away relatively unscathed due to how shit his sting and puff potential is now. he's a class that fills a weird niche of protecting and reflecting, but he's the inferior damage class. even then, just go short circut engineer. mogs pyro any day

>>700993264
It’s really bad but has occasional uses.
It’s an emergency tool, it’s so bad that if you’re better off not using it against a Soldier or Demoman at medium-close range, they will kill you before you can recover from the airblast cooldown and start attacking.
It’s still useful for pushing players off of cliffs, or messing with ubercharges. It’s just not brainlessly spammable and takes actual thought to use, because using airblast makes you a sitting duck for what seems like an eternity, as opposed to normal airblasts where you can just vomit them out without a care.

I'd be alright with airblast if only they didn't completely block your controls until you hit the ground again. The way it is, it's a gift for the pyro to swap to the flare gun and get a free kill against a sitting duck. They completely fucked this up in Jungle Inferno and never bothered to revert it.

>>700992858
Rare good idea in a TF2 thread. Put some pressure on Pyros to not fuck up their airblasts and not make it so spammable. (they shouldn't mind since they think reflects are already the pinnacle of skill)
Soldier vs Pyro has felt like shit since they increased the size of the airblast detection box. I would be glad for the opportunity to see some rewarding jukes between them again.

>>700993265
>pyro isn't even inherently that bad
scout and heavy rape him.

>>700993427
the only broken thing about airblast is how it can sometimes send players to the fucking moon for no reason and stunlocks you while you're airborne. stock airblast reflects are balanced. crippling pyro's reflects as a roundabout way of addressing the other issues with airblast is dumb.

>>700993465
>they increased the size of the airblast detection box
when was this

Does anyone know how the fuck airblast knockback works?
sometimes when I use it, it will barely move my opponent an inch, sometimes when they use it against me, it barely pushes me at all.
But sometimes when they use it against me, I get launched at Mach 9 and my corpse ends up 5 miles off of the Upward Bridge. It was funny the first few times it happened to me, but now it just confuses me.

>>700987049
The team colored paints are cool and match to some of the palettes used in the game. Just to paste from a steam guide
>Team Spirit is the main color for both teams.
>Cream Spirit are the yellow colors.
>Waterlogged Lab Coat is the color from Medic's lab coat.
>The Value of Teamwork is the color from Medic's backpack.
>Operator's Overalls is the color from Engineer's overalls.
>Balaclavas Are Forever is the color from Spy's mask. (also known as a balaclava)
>An Air Of Debonair is the color from Spy's suit
So this lets you match certain odd colored cosmetics to be more in line with the natural colors for the classes

>>700993468
heavy gets outclassed by demo in damage and sniper in range. only time it's ever appropriate to switch to heavy is if there's a short circuit engineer on defense in a cheeky spot with a despencer nullifying your projectiles, and too cheeky for a sniper to secure the kill

>>700993915
Jungle Inferno

>>700994175
>outclassed by demo in damage
very debatable. heavy has stupidly strong minigun DPS and will rape anyone at short to mid range in a damage race

>>700993915
many years ago, he's bitching about something that has been around for most of the game's existence

>>700994302
>many years ago
jungle inferno wasnt that long ag-
>2017

>>700994074
New airblast is pure source spaghetti jank.
This happened to me the other day. I'm the airblasted soldier.
Like how the fuck does this even happen?

>>700994175
>heavy gets outclassed by demo in damage and sniper in range
heavy's niche is protecting demo and sniper while they're getting kills.
scout and soldier can't rush them while a 450 hp heavy is guarding them.
heavy is just scout but better in any situation where his mobility isn't a concern.

is this the thread

>>700994830
looks to me like you rocket jumped at the same time you got airblasted, seems fine

>>700995725
why does that make me go flying off the edge when I land

>>700995201
problem is heavy is completely reliant on a medic to do anything. solo heavy cant do anything. literally. comp heavy is absolute hell to play for this reason alone considering killing the enemy medic is priority #1 and heavy can't keep up with flankers and doesn't have the speed to do pushes on a gamemode like 5CP hence why he has to be so stationary in traditional play. any scout/soldier with more than 600 hours knows how to manipulate their way around the most experienced heavies because heavy is a very mechanically one-trick class.

>heavy is just scout but better in any situation where his mobility isn't a concern.

sorry but this is beyond stupid to say.

>>700995781
can you post a webm from your perspective? you probably just clipped some weird geometry at high speeds and trimped, that's not related to the airblast at all

>>700995875
im not going at a low enough angle or fast enough for it to be a ramp slide

>>700986931
this is mostly just worn by old school players at this point. most of the mge sniper mains that only play tf2 every day of their lives wear villain's veil + some old school hat nobody used to use like the pinestraw hat and buds.

>>700984406
I wear this ironically to piss off frustrated chuds

>>700995905
if i had to guess
>hit wall with slight slant
>wall gives you backwards momentum
>ramp off slant on ground and "bounce"

>>700995872
>problem is heavy is completely reliant on a medic to do anything
medic should be glued to the demo 90% of the time so that's not really a problem. heavy will be nearby and medic is a must pick anyway if you dont want to lose to a team that has one.
>comp heavy is absolute hell to play for this reason alone considering killing the enemy medic is priority #1
killing the medic is only a priority when your medic is dead or they have uber advantage. if that isn't the case a demo pick is more valuable. it's a good pick but it's not the be all end all and heavy is the ultimate medic bodyguard anyway.
>heavy can't keep up with flankers and doesn't have the speed to do pushes on a gamemode like 5CP hence why he has to be so stationary in traditional play
that's why I said when mobility isn't an issue. everybody knows playing heavy from disadvantage sucks. being slow as shit is the price for having a minigun and 300hp.

>>700996063
you can see in the clip I don't touch the wall when I land so it's not that either.

>>700995662
yes

>>700995662
>>700996626
pyro hate is justified

>>700989508
Demos are huge fucking days what are you talking about

>>700989508
I'll say heavy mains but there a lot of contrarians who decided to be a heavy main to have their ego stroked so i'll say Engi because despite having uncle goy, most of stock engis mains are ok

>>700996314
>medic should be glued to the demo 90% of the time
yes, he should. that's the point, so i agree with you on that.
>killing the medic is only a priority when your medic is dead or they have uber advantage
????? even then there's zero way to tell who has the uber advantage unless the enemy team is outright telling you they have uber ready (????)
>that's why I said when mobility isn't an issue
scout has multiple support options and can build uber. he's used to quite literally scout areas so you can tell where and what the enemy is doing due to his advanced mobility options and speed. he can backcap and last-minute cap. he has more than his really fucking good damage, half of his utility weapons you can use in a way most other players dont think of, bonk alone even if it seems like a meme weapon can be used for scouting areas, distracting sentries without wasting an uber, escapes etc etc. heavy is literally just a sentry that can walk and occasionally save your medic from burning to death on a pub with the sandvich

>>700996995
engineer is literally made to be the most disengaging yet necessary class in the game beside medic on gamemodes where he's required like attack on payload. all the cool shit you can do with him is ultimately very limited and only works if you have a super supportive team to cover you to begin with, outside of that unless every area is unguarded you're fucked. he's essentially a class for friendlies on pubs where people don't actually want to play the game
>stock engis are okay
sure. there's no reason to use the pistol so those aren't really the insufferable faggot engineer mains

>>700990710
medic mains. second gayest besides pyro. they literally exist to pocket unfairly. something you'll notice about troons is that they always travel in groups and party up together similar to the way cheaters do, except they just have to act insanely obnoxious and wave porn objectors in pubs where children play on 2fort. i've literally never seen a troon on MGE because they're incapable of developing skill that isn't reliant on the crutch of a thousand other people babysitting them. its why when a votekick fails on somebody they dont like they leave the server and cry about it on the SCUD

>>700996626
Monsterfucker draw anon is that you? You have good taste but damn is there any male character you wouldn't fuck?

>>700997004
>even then there's zero way to tell who has the uber advantage
the entire competitive metagame revolves around tracking uber wtf are you talking about. if you know when the enemy med last ubered it's not difficult to estimate when he will have it again.
>scout has multiple support options and can build uber
basher building is lsn't needed anywhere near as much outside of 6s because the med has way more people to heal and he isn't the only class with a self damage weapon.
>he's used to quite literally scout areas so you can tell where and what the enemy is doing
soldier and spy also do this.
>he can backcap and last-minute cap
true but thats on the enemy team not checking hiding spots and putting sticks/sentries on point. Plus demo, soldier, and spy can do the same thing.
>half of his utility weapons you can use in a way most other players dont think of
Mad milk is extremely good I will give you that but bonk is very map dependent and distracting sentries is not that impactful when
1. A single airblast sends you into space
2. He can ignore you with wrangler
3. LNL already fucks engie super hard
4. You risk giving the medic free ubersaw hits

>>700984406

https://files.catbox.moe/ctn67r.mp4

>>700996995
I respect battle engies who actually DM and don't hide behind their toys. Turtle engies are braindead flow chart players and wrangler is one of the most broken weapons in TF2.

You can tell TF2 still has great class design if people still get worked up over loving or hating certain classes and nobody can 100% agree on balance.
Sniper is probably still the most complained about and Spy likely the most agreed weakest but outside of those I think TF2 class balance is super solid.
Any other fps game wouldn't have such heated debate this many years later, sure there are annoying playstyles in TF2 but you have full freedom to be as much of a cunt back with a class counter.

>>700997907
I chuckled at 0:47 here's a (You).

>>700986931
mental sickness

Solution to autistic faggotry: stop playing on american servers

>>700997826
there's no way to DIRECTLY tell if someone has it is what i meant (unless you're playing spy), sorry if i misinterpreted what you meant.
>basher building isnt needed as much
these are just examples. all the stuff with the bonk i provided is just an example of how a relatively shitty weapon on paper can be used. scout has a ton of shit to switch up his gameplay i.e the winger atomizer for certain spots etc etc.
>soldier and spy can also do this
spy doesn't have scout's speed and scout's double capture speed. soldier makes a ton of noise when jumping and again doesn't have the double cap speed nor the footspeed if he gets caught up with someone.

not necessarily saying heavy is bad but he's mediocre in the sense that he's good at super close range but you might as well just play a better damage class in most situations. he feels like a very last minute pick in case you need him, outside of that he's beyond boring

>>700998273
fuck anything community unless you can say what you want. simple as, don't care if it's eu if you can still get banned for saying anything that remotely registers as unfit for some tranny

>>700998382
>the winger atomizer for certain spots etc etc
This all comes back to his mobility though which I already said is the main reason to play him over heavy.
>spy doesn't have scout's speed
Spy can sap a gun though and can get by undetected. It's not a 1:1 comparison.
>soldier makes a ton of noise when jumping and again doesn't have the double cap speed nor the footspeed if he gets caught up with someone.
Noise sure but again for scout to get past unnoticed means the enemy team didn't clear hiding spots properly.
Soldier and demo can x2 cap with pain train. Why does foot speed matter when back capping is a sac play. You can dodge better? Sure? Soldier has splash so both classes have their advantages. I'd rather be on soldier for something like gullywash or snakewater last.

>>700998761
Does that even happen?

still waiting for valve to cut support for this game and drop official servers. cull 80% of the playerbase and just be left with 10 custom servers per region of people who actually play and enjoy the culture. home.

>>700997907
Kek

>>700998839
i dont play on eu servers so i wouldn't know, i've basically resorted to playing on casual purely. jailbreak was tolerable and even fun until you realize how much you have to curb back to the point to where you realize it's not even worth it for something you can get better if you just go outside lmao. i've played on UGC mge which is a cesspool of people saying nigger and i guess now they randomly started moderating it since i got banned for a swastika flair lol. literally never used to happen until recently
>>700998878
honestly the solution at this point. tf2's been proven to make no money in comparison to everything else valve has to the point to where you can suspect the reason valve didn't just implement a com server plugin to deal with bots is just because they wanted the game to die, misinterpreting how far redditors and autistic people will cling onto dead things from their childhood.
>>700998828
>which I already said is the main reason to play him over heavy.
k. that's fine. agree with that also, just do that lol. that's where this debate stems from

Every pyro main is a degenerate
No exceptions

>>700990151
>carrying porn objectors to show to kids in pubs.
Name and shame?

>>700999938
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Skyori
feel free to do whatever you want lol. makes it better considering he can't trace it back to one person in particular. better if you have a friend group

>>701000089
this is so obnoxious it MUST be a false-flag

>>701000172
nah. i've frequented 2fort and this guy exclusively plays there. it's as bad as you can imagine. he'll kick anyone for the smallest thing lol

>>701000089
>tranny
>job: welder
bet this guy looks like a neanderthal in a wig

>>701000089
>Sayori
Lmao nice foreshadowing

>>700984406
>get blighted beak & grimm hatte as random drops
>if I decide to wear them together some faggot keeps pestering me to heal them all game instead of actually playing to win
I swear to god this player base needs euthanasia

>>701000089
Any proof that he shows porn to kids?

>>701000608
you ever notice how these people go out of their way to showcase (or just make up) personal things as much as possible on a platform specifically designed to download video games? It's such an oddly specific thing to cling onto like every single troon does. nobody that actually works in this profession is so prideful about it without it being some kind of thing they think is like the ultimate achievement. it's like being a fast food wagie and showcasing it to the chuds to tell them you're not actually unemployed.
>>701000909
unfortunately not. all that stuff was in game and i didn't rec it. pretty much all people that use porn objectors risk that anyways which is more people than you'd think, they just dont really give a shit

What is wrong with Pyro players?

>>701001661
inherently low skill ceiling class infers that the people that play him want easy street on easy gamemodes on easy maps, hence why pyro mains think they're hot shit if they can stunlock a f2p engineer and get a flare gun kill, but won't dare touch anything remotely competitive. it's why he doesn't work in an mge setting either, his kit is too reliant on this weird shit of being a time-waster. people that actually understand how pyro's kit works and what it's designed for are insanely autistic people that refuse to adapt

>>700990329
I haven't played in years but I remember I used to have a scout loadout that looked like this. I was even in a small tf2 youtuber video or two as well.

>>701001982
literally couldn't be any more generic

>>701002379
I know. this was from 2013-2014 and I thought it was cool then.

>>701002405
everybody thinks tf2 is cool forever if you don't come to the realization video games are essentially something you use to distract yourself from doing something better with flashy visuals in front of you meant to stimulate your autist brain like jingling plastic keys in front of a baby. that's 95% of the modern generation in general. I play this game because i feel the need to prove myself to nobody.

>>700984406
you do need some level of mental unwellness to still be playing tf2, agreed

>>701002548
I meant my generic scout fit...

>>701002632
same thing, if anything that's even worse. at least with base gameplay there's some familiarity with the pleasure you get from exercising that muscle memory. loadout shit is inherently muh shiny pixels and bright colors

>>700984406
How do I get a tranny gf who will play tf2 with me

>>700998878
kys retard

>>700984406
i used to use the plague doctor's mask. i haven't launched tf2 since 2013, though.

>>700990329
All I want to do is use pipes.
I HATE melee in this game.