Kek shitch 2 is fucking stillborn when people know the PS6 is around the corner

The jump from RDNA 2 to UDNA is impressive. Any details about whether the 3D v-cache rumor is true?

still not gonna beat pc

>>700967917
Kek. If 5Pro was $700+drive+tax+tip, the 6 in 2027 bux will be close to a 1000 grand! Nintendo has little to worry about.

who cares LMAO
ps5 doesnt even have games

>buy overpriced mid-gen upgrade
>what do you mean it would be outdated in two-three years?
Ayyyy

>>700968449
But PS6 will

>>700967857
is this an ARM chip or are they still cucked with x86 architecture. because if so this thing is going to be a damn radiator

Just get a second job

>>700967974
SRAM is generally expensive, but maybe they are willing to cut down costs in some other area? Either way people trust this leaker I believe

>>700967857
I'm retarded, can you explain the benefit of changing from RDNA2 to UDNA?

>>700968869
There are none
AMD has been controlled opposition to nvidia since 2012

>>700967857
Lemme guess, it sounds like an airport.

>>700968223
People are tired of novidiaram fuckery...

>>700968869
better upscaled fake frames

>>700968686
>AMD
>Is this arm
What do you think dumdum?

>>700968869
Switching from RDNA to UDNA allows AMD to combine their gaming and AI-focused GPUs into one unified design, it should help PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) by a large margin, and ray tracing. That being said, it's a really complex question
Like I said, they’re basically making a leap across three generations of architecture

>>700969376
Interesting so this is a big leap?

I hear they're ditching DQZ and moving to TJ-FA instead, true?

The PS5 is half a decade old already. It's not as if I would be shocked if there was information that could be leaked.
But are these leaks even true? Or is it just snoys and attention whores trying to attention whore or dream/cope/hope?
It's kind of mighty suspicious how hard the PS6 rumours started in conjunction with the Switch2 being shown. And let's be real here, rumours for Playstation hardware is in a league of its own. There has been a rumour of a successor to the Vita like every single year since the launch of the Switch1. And And there were rumours of the PS5 for years before we actually got anything reliable and real about the PS5. None of it is reliable.

So is this complete bullshit too? Or is it real?

I can't wait for another sony console with no games!

>>700968869
Probably a move to unfuck their shitty GPU design.

>>700967857
>early as 2027.
lol that's too late
PS6 2026

>>700968869
It's just a name for a newer and better tech.

>>700969931
Oh? How does it help?

I am NEVER fucking buying a PS6 after my PS5 turned into a Demon's Souls Remake + Astro Bot machine that I mostly use for streaming services.

>>700967857
Think of all the great remasters of Horizon Zero Dawn we're going to get!

>>700969591
think so, but the biggest improvements will probably be in AI features, like a new upscaling transformer model, ray reconstruction, and stuff like that.

>>700968318
It's gonna be over $1200 thanks to tariffs.

>>700970076
Your PS5 is going to become a GTA6 machine at some point, though you'll probably wish it was a Pro.

wow.. RDNA4 that is insane i bet it has a hundred chonglechips how many injections of electricity does that take from the energy bank? i bet it's nuts.

does this jibber jabber mean anything to anyone? who the fuck cares until we can even see what this means?

>>700968686
why in the absolute fuck would they more to ARM when those architectures are ass?

>>700967857
I will be honest with you, I really don't care about consoles anymore
PS5 has brought nothing groundbreaking, and it feels like just PS4.5. Hell, I'd argue is a lot less impressive than Series X/S since at least that console is an essentially an emulation machine that lets you play PS2 games
Stopped giving a shit about shitendo after Wii U

Consoles peaked with 5th gen, 6th gen or even 7th gen. It's all been downhill since

>>700970117
That's pretty cool. The features sound very similar to the recent Nvidia cards.

There hasn't been a jump in quality worthy of a new console since the PS3/360.

>>700970146
there wont be a real difference between the pro and the base version due to CPU bottlenecking in modern engines
if anything the PISSER upscaling makes shit look worse, which is fucking funny

>>700970163
it means actual functional rtx without sacrificing 30 frames

Nobody gives a shit, the hype for the SSD was all lies, the PS5 didn't get any games.

>>700968561
It's curious that they have this roadmap so far ahead in the future when Sony has been cancelling games left and right lately.

A 3080
It Will launch with the Nvidia 6000 lol

>>700970464
insomniac can actually release three to four games each generation, as opposed to the other devs under sony

>>700968469
And the PS6 will likely be way cheaper, the Pro will be out as a huge scam and nobody will buy their revisions again.

>>700970346
god i hate niggers

>>700969789
Way too ahead of reveal, 90% chance of it being bullshit because nobody will remember this leak in 2 years.

>>700970464
It seems only the GAAS projects have been cancelled. The single player narrative stuff is okay.

Don’t care, every PlayStation exclusive is on PC now. What’s the point?

>>700970540
ps6 is 100% going to be 699 minimum

>>700970016
Better integration of AI accelleration, but they will most likely redo their ray tracing approach to be more like Nvidia/Intels which will be a big boost to ray tracing, which is the future, raster has no solutions to problems that AI fixes.

>>700970792
And the new Xbox will have whatever this new technology is too and games will look the same.

>>700970837
I see. So the focus of the PS6 is light, reflections, and shadows?

>>700970316
the 360 spoiled us all, it was ahead of its time desu

>>700968318
Look at the quality, tendie. PS6 will be much cheaper than PCs of the same price, whereas shitch2 is a $500 PC from 2013

>>700971217
>desu
kys weeb

>>700971493
tourist detected

>>700967857
I tried the PS5 and couldn't feel any single difference from my PS4, what the fuck is the PS6 going to do?

one game

>>700970373
Sony does this shit every gen and people never learn. I don't know why you think they're going to learn now. The fact that people actually bought into the magic SSD bullshit in the first place is proof that people are willing to believe anything.

>>700971612
The irony.

>>700971146
I don't know, the goal of UDNA is to unify their 2 current GPU architectures one that is heavily AI focused but built for data centers and one that is more traditional and built for gaming, but if AMD are smart they will also rethink their ray tracing implementation because it's a complete pile of shit.
There's no real value in improving rasterization past the PS6, the bigger gains would be pushing ray tracing, and rt hardware still sees major gains per cycle compared to raster, which increasingly needs more die space to improve.

>>700971921
Anon there's a word that gets replaced with desu.

>>700971920
the ssd in the ps5 did eliminate 99% of loading times which is absolutely noticable if you arent used to ssds

>>700971489
I could buy an absolute top of the line PC for less than the half the money left over from paying bills and mortgage in a month, and I make a very average salary for a IT wagie. What’s the point

>>700972007
I know, dumbass nigger. That's the point.

>>700967857
People are upset because it's a generation of no games. New hardware won't save anything.

>>700971920
I watched hour long videos about how the architecture of the PS5 completely integrated with the SSD was gonna allow games that would be impossible on PC, it was literally all bullshit.
Or worse, maybe it was true but Sony didn't have any interest in making games like that, since they have to port them to PC anyway.

>>700971930
Did you see the Digitalfoundry video about the AMD booth at CES? They had a currently unnamed upscale solution that the guys believed to be PSR4. It was massively better than PSR3. Do you think this could impact the manufacturing process of PS6 and Sonys own PSSR?

>>700972070
Why would you call him weeb then. Oh you were being ironic?

What a waste of a gen this was

>>700972065
Yeah this shit of "build a PC like that for 500!" doesn't really work on adults.

>>700970346
PS5 Pro quality mode is just AI-scaling? This generation of consoles has grown stagnant

>>700967857
Nintendo has 2 years max before they become obsolete...again kek

>>700972569
The Switch came out obsolete (2017 with PS3 graphics) and that didn't stop it. You don't need a PS6, the PS5 is already way more powerful than the Switch 2.

>>700972124
I don't know, I thought PSSR was developed in house by Sony, the PS5 actually features non standard features for RDNA 2 which lead to it being very different to the Series X/PC GPU's, most likely Sony will have a heavily customized version of the architecture again,
FSR is a pile of shit, PSSR most likely impacted FSR4's development and PSSR 2 will most likely impacted FSR5's, I could see Sony pushing frame generation to get a marketable 4k.120hz standard for their games.

>>700967917
It's almost as though people enjoy handhelds, and that parents will go for the cheaper, child friendly option for vidya. What planet do you live on?

>>700972349
Car insurance: -170/month
Total monthly bills and mortgage: -1300/month
Rent: +650/month
Paychecks:+3920/month
Net: +3100/month

Very average in my field, bought my current pc for less than half that and it runs all the slop I feel like playing anymore

>>700972646
Switch 2 isnt that underpowered such that most 3rd parties can still downport their games. Once the PS6 is out however, that will be a different story

>>700972748
Good morning sir. He meant you can't build a comparable PC for $500.

>>700972647
That's interesting tech for a console. I hope to see upscaling and frame gen solutions. Ray reconstruction would be cool too because it's obvious that raytracing is the only way to massively effect how a game looks.

>>700972901
Paulo it is not my fault you can’t read

>>700972226
Talking about yourself in third person.

>>700972901
The PS6 will be 700

>>700972868
Mario Kart paints a different picture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad92MUUJO7A
This is Drive club on what is apparently a weaker piece of hardware, but the graphics run circles around the next Mario Kart, even on a technical level ,there's more geometric density, larger levels, more post process effects, higher quality materials, in every way graphically is it superior, anyone thinking Switch 2 is more powerful than a PS4 given what we've seen is in for a rude awakening.

>>700968869
GCN -> RDNA halved the compute performance to boost raster performance since Nvidia was beating AMD with gimmicks in games optimized to use raster.
RDNA -> UDNA is essentially undoing that because Nvidia boosted their compute performance and got games to add gimmicks that use more compute.

>>700970792
The point is to avoid getting ripped off on a gaming pc. If you are perfectly fine with nvidia's dick up your ass then obviously this isn't for you and you knew that already.

>>700974149
Good?

>>700973220
Rude awakening predictions always end up wrong.

>>700974924
Really, those expecting a 1tflop Switch 1 ended up getting blown the fuck out.

>>700967857
cool but they forgot to make games for the ps5

>>700972901
literal ewaste is better than a PiS5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RRXB5oMmSk

>>700967857
Why are you wasting our time with shit that is two years away?

>>700968223
You have to compare apples to apples, the average PC gamer uses a 3060, in two years that will be a 4060 or something similar. These consoles cater to the average player and will include a much more powerful GPU than whatever the typical PC user is using at the time.

>>700972868
yeah i don't think a lot of people realize just how insane graphics can be right now. this will hopefully be the standard next gen when consoles are using 3 fake frames to pretend they're using 4090s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwnUlgmIfXM

>>700967857
>and 3 generations of architecture improvements should be great (RDNA 2 -> RDNA 3 -> RDNA 4 -> UDNA), thoughts?
Who gives a shit what marketing bullshit they spout.

PS4 used 28nm transistors and PS5 used 7nm which was a major improvement. Sony can't afford the new 3nm so we're likely getting 5nm which is worse than a GTX 4000 series which means on release its already getting dated and its a much smaller change from 7nm to 5nm than 28nm to 7nm.

If you thought the PS5 Pro was shit wait until you see how little changes from PS5 Pro to PS6.

>>700977572
Hell yeah, I, too, just realized we are in this new era of gradual hardware improvements.

>>700967917
Snoys actually believe this.

>>700977572
A confident retard. The worst kind.

>>700968561
>Nigger Spider-Man now with moar deaf fat lesbian.
>Niche collectathon.
>Suicide Squad 2.0
Sure Jan.

I feel the "console" you use to play video games in a living room full of kids is outdated now
If I have to spend 1000 euros on amd cpu gpu, standard ram, standard nvme ssd how about let it be used as a pc so I get a bit more value out of it. What the fuck ever is the point of limiting it to just sony games, the hardware is just a pc + drm silicon.

You can have like a anti-cheat chip in there and you have to secure boot it to play multiplayer games, but let me install windows 12 there or I'll just spend the money on a pc and play 99% same games anyway since everything is multiplat.

>>700968561
>>700970464
They are just projections for the future. They aren't real solid plans.
Also that "PS6 launch here" thing was added in after the fact.

>>700972647
No DF thought FSR4 looked to be nothing to do with PSSR and it looked much more impressive. completely different thing. PSSR is a disaster and half the time it looks worse than FSR, since PS5 Pro doesn't have any tensor cores or wmma ai-accelerators they basically taped on a DIY npu to try to have enough cpu/ai bandwidth for it to work and turned out scuffed asf.

They basically have to wait for UDNA1 to get anything working. FSR5 will not be influenced by PSSR and probably more the other way around since this is AMD hardware first with integrated FSR5, Sony would be retarded to not use dedicated UDNA1 Ai cores and you might as well use FSR5. I don't really know the future of PSSR, it seems it was just made in a hurry as a stop-gap since AMD was taking so long to develop FSR4 and UDNA1, it already is worse than FSR4 and FSR5/UDNA1 will make it obsolete. It might just go away and be insignificant in future once FSR5 is out, kinda like sony's custom PS4 pro checkerboard chip became irrelevant once PS5 came out.

>>700967857
Can we finally have 60fps standard on all games and consistent performance? Please!

>>700979493
The point is that in exchange for using sony's store instead of steam you get cheaper hardware. PCs are expensive and will only continue to get worse with time. There is nothing outdated about having a cheap box that has a baseline of performance to play games on.

>>700971489
>PS6 will be much cheaper than PCs of the same price
[YAWN] modern slop is boring, bugged and overpriced, PCs are still the superior platform and will remain so for the foreseeable future, also, that phrase doesn't make sense learn to write a coherent phrase ffs.
>>700972349
Yeah this shit of " on a similar budget build a better machine with massively better libraries " does really work mature and intelligent folks.

>>700972748
Where the fuck are you living that your mortgage + Monthly bills are $1300? That's including Electricity/water/sewage/etc and that's gonna be at least $300 per month + internet is another 50-100. Which leaves at minimum $900 for your mortgage, that'd mean that you are only paying ~80k-120k for your house depending on your interest rate (3% if the house cost 120k, 7% at 80k)
On the other hand your take home pay is less than 50k per year so i've gotta assume you are European. That's is your take home pay rather than the after taxes pay right?

>>700981036
>mortgage + Monthly bills are $1300?
NTA but Canada.

>>700968686
not if the PS6 chips are 3nm and liquid metal has worked pretty well on PS5. It's impressive how quiet it is compared to the PS4 that sounded like a jet engine.

And also x86 means 3 gens of PS games in 1 system and not to mention the improved performance of PS5 games like FF16 that runs at 40fps. For people that still care about consoles and skipped the PS5 the PS6 will be a system worth buying.

>>700968223
When Gpu's are selling at $2,000 there is no beating that but that is not the point anyway.

>>700978886
>>700978336
Fab IS the only gain. There isn't anything else a computer is. Its literally fucking maths.

>>700981257
>not if the PS6 chips are 3nm
3nm is 100% sold to Apple and AI. Sony can't afford them.

>>700981352
You don't need a $2k GPU to set up a decent PC, anon.

For $600 i'm pretty sure you can buy a pc that can output 4k (at least for games a few years old). For $1000 you can do pretty well. I think most people still associate PC with sitting at a desk using a mouse and keyboard. Unfortunately, the 'battlestation' images online aren't helping that image. But for $600 you can play any game ever made at 1080, on a couch if you wish, with a controllee if you wish, have a web browser, have work stuff, have discord, etc. Normies will wake up next gen. $600 for access to a game store that will close when ps7 launches is brown behavior.

>>700981834
>For $600 i'm pretty sure you can buy a pc that can output 4k
No. You can't.

>>700980758
No, too busy using all the performance to make screen dither and ineficient lighting models.

>>700981069
And here i've been hearing so much about housing in canada being expensive as fuck.

>>700980456
This is from the Insomniac leak. This is their road map.

>>700970227
Apple uses ARM and it destroys all x86 Cpu's in performance and efficiency. ARM is an architecture perfect for consoles.

>>700981916
a 3060 outputs 4k on any game that asks for a 1060 or 1660. Which is basically every game that runs on the xbox series Shit. Which is almost all games in the market.

>>700982036
Shut up nigga

>>700970285
nothing will ever be groundbreaking again when everything is being designed with the mindset that every game will be on every system.

It will be more powerful than a 5090.
Seethe

>>700982069
>a 3060 outputs 4k
No. It does not.

>>700981973
I know. I have the unedited version of it along with another one. They are completely different but they cover the same period. Its internal projections, not rock solid plans.

>>700982161
are you retarded? a 3060 can output 4k at better quality than the consoles do. A PS5 is an RX 6700 which is barely better but has no DLSS.

>>700967917
Yeah, people are desperate to drop $1000+ on the next no games machine

>>700982161
A 2060 also outputs 4k by the way, but not on as many games. The ps4 pro was outputting fake 4k on a 760 equivalent. So, a 2060 should be able to output true 4k on basically everything from early ps5 and before.

xbox probably going to go with Intel's 18a chips whether that's a good idea or not.....

>>700982167
In all the billions of times you've spammed that webm you've never once matched the settings and scene on pc, so uh, nah. I shan't be taking your word for it.

Why are we talking about PS6 when they haven't even released any games for PS5 yet

>>700982731
Because real life isn't a 4chan meme.

>>700970373
load times virtually eliminated, games stopped relying so much on squeezing through gaps, the aggressive popping from the PS4 era has been reduced, allowed games to be able to use higher quality assets too. In games like FF7 Rebirth you can now fast travel from one side of the map to the other in just seconds. The SSD on PS5 did exactly what was promised.

>>700983070
Shhhhhh you're not supposed to be logical here

>8 zen 5 cores 4-4.5ghz
>some rdna 4 but its totally not its super special guys!
>with 4096 cores at 2ghz
>would be better with 8gb system ram and 16gb vram
>but probably gonna have 24 or 32gb unified vram (gddr is bad for CPU performance)
>225-250 watts probably
>2027
It's going to be like gaming on an RTX 6050
Wow so amazing way to go consolefags.
Wild to think my as-of-2027 destitute poorfag tier 4080 will be better than new consoles.

I love how a powerful console makes pc gamers (they don't play games) seethe so much

There is no point because the future is in middle market and indie titles which need no more graphical fidelity and performance than what the Switch 2 provides.

>>700983365
The vast majority of gamers don't wanna play games that look like shit. They want peak graphics. They want their EAFC, they want their COD, they want their GTA.

A weak tablet just can't don't that.

>>700972112
at the time it was true because when the PS5 was released there were no 5Gb/s SSD's on PC. PCIE 4.0 boards were still almost a year from release. But PC's do tend to have way more system ram, which is much more faster than any SSD.

At the end the features are there but if nobody uses them in the first place, like all the features in the Dualsense, then might as well not be there. Just another consequence of the mindset that every game must be in every system.

>>700983346
>(they don't play games)
omg owned

>>700983589
>there were no 5GB/s ssds
Sure, at the time 3.5GB/s NVMe was the max.
The point is the PS5 SSD was just an advertising bullshit and made no difference compared to PCs.

Even a "lowly" SATA ssd card limited to 500MB/s doesn't really lose anything against pci-e 4 NVMe

>>700983512
IPhones and Galaxy S cost $1000 btw

They are unironically more powerful than a Switch.

>>700967857
>matte black is a new tech toys aesthetic
Lets just circle back to gray cubes, really.

>>700983458

Making games that can take full advantage of the PS5's power are too expensive and too slow to develop. It will be the same with PS5. Switch 2 may only be close to a PS4 Pro but the vast majority of games being released today don't necessarily require more power or the development time plus they're portable. If Sony were smart, they would just make their next PS 'console' a hybrid like Switch.

>>700983857
I want PS6 to use this color scheme.

Make it fully backwards compatible (ps1-ps6) and market it as the ultimate console with tens of thousands of games.

>>700967857
Almost hard to believe the PS5 will be going down as a worse console than even the PS3 or PS4. Almost.

>>700983969
It will still sell over 100m units kek. Sony are so popular.

>>700967857
>(RDNA 2 -> RDNA 3 -> RDNA 4 -> UDNA), thoughts?
uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sweetie
hun
it's named UDNA5 GET IT RIGHT

What the fuck were they thinking. RDNA5 skip, we'll call it UDNA! wait no! UDNA5!!!
Either way. I hope Mark Cerny is hit by a train today and he has all the plans in his briefcase and the resulting fire from his lithium ion handset burns the only copy of the plans and then a competent hardware engineer is sent in to design the console and understand that 175W IT TOO DAMN HIGH BOY.
-and also that stagnation means that even dropping to 150W will leave them waiting another 5 years.

Please train driver, scroll tik tok today, don't look up.

Won't this shit overheat even more due to again having only one fan?

>>700983689
>Even a "lowly" SATA ssd card limited to 500MB/s doesn't really lose anything against pci-e 4 NVMe
WRONG!
wait, RIGHT! CORRECT!
IT DOESN'T LOSE A DAMN THING BECAUSE:
no lost lanes bro

god bless tech of the past, fuck tech of the future, 0 lanes, design a competent controller retards

lol don't care. It will be some subpar PC anyway and they even include a fucking disc drive anymore. It's unironically over.

>>700984013
You can literally cool a 4090 with liquid metal. PS6 will be fine with thermals.

>>700980467
>people are already referring to UDNA5 as UDNA1
It's so fucking over for the last person with a braincell who worked at ATI.
Lisa Su is going to push that canuck off a bridge when she sees your post.

>>700983512
Even mobile games look better than tendie games

>Another generation held back by retard corpos chasing FOTM marketing buzzwords
It doesn't even feel like the PS5/SeX generation has even started yet but we're coming up to half a decade this year.

>>700971738
Really? I found the PS5 the 3rd best upgrade after 3 and 2. 4 was the worst one IMO.

>>700984458
They went all in on bleeding edge right as we were about to start hitting hard stagnation and everyone was about to pickup dynamic res & upscaling.
The generation was never going to succeed so long as they chased power trends.

PS6 is already out, it's called PC.

>>700967857
I don’t get why they are so eager to sell a lost litter?
After 30 years I’m probably tapping out here. Time to go PC.

>>700967857
I will never support PlayStation again.

I was playing Elden ring and summoned a player for a boss. The player proceeded to grief me while I was fighting the boss (gesturing at me and not attacking) so I sent him home. Then I get a message from him saying me and I quote “DM MFER” this provoked me to send him a message back and I quote “get a friend loser”. The next day my account was banned for 1 week for harassment. So i went to download another game from my library and then i realized PlayStation won’t let you even access or download your purchased digital games with a suspension. I had no idea they did this. This is legitimately the biggest scam I’ve ever seen and it opened my fucking eyes to how absolutely disgraceful that company is. I tried to dispute my suspension but they won’t even let you do that. There’s no one to talk to on customer support, it’s all bots. You can’t speak to anyone, and even then, the bots determined I was at fault for calling someone who provoked me a loser. He danced around the suspension automation by purposefully misspelling his insults, so when I went to defend myself I was the one who got the ruler across the wrist. I haven’t touched my PlayStation games since and I will never touch it again except for 4K movies. That entire platform is dead to me.

>>700967857
>2027 release
>portable hybrid
>under $600
This will DESTROY the $500 switch 2.
Nintendo must be shitting bricks.

Lol can't wait for a $2k machine with no games for another 3 years again

>>700984686
The ironic thing is the Sony PC ports are the most optimized modern PC ports out there. They run flawlessly. If they released their huge games day one on PC it would sell so much.

>>700984403
I’ll still probably buy it on the off chance Ill ever have friends again.

>>700984783
My homie had a gamertag on PSN that he had for years and then Sony changed their terms of service and his gamertag got flagged and he got perma banned from his account and lost easily $5k+ worth of games and DLC from years and years of collecting.

>>700984845
Love to hear it. Yea now that they are releasing their games and I’m an adult who can afford a 5k system it’s time to emancipate myself and join the master race.

>>700984783
>rollslop enjoyer
You'll buy the 6.
Don't even pretend you won't. You're cattle, you're the same type of person who would buy a 3060 or 4060. It's inescapable for you.

>>700984845
>The ironic thing is the Sony PC ports are the most optimized modern PC ports out there
I mean some other titles are coming close, just since they're running 720p or sub 1080p raster or at 30 fps it doesn't scale well.
You want to 200% that for 60 fps or 1440p, you're looking to own a 7900 XT or a 3080 Ti/4080.
Gotta learn when to scale back, not that way you fucking retard, scale back on the assets, the lods, not the internal resolution jfc.

Chase the TDP demon to the grave and you'll get burned when people need to wait 2 years for another GPU generation to give minimal gains watt for watt. Gotta keep chasing the TDP dragon if you wanna win son.

>>700984990
>You'll buy the 6.
Wrong

>you're the same type of person who would buy a 3060 or 4060.
Maybe once I upgrade, but that’s only because I’m not a poor like you.

I primarily game on PC. I only had a PS5 for demons souls remake and 4K physical movies.

>>700984929
Shouldn't have named himself xNiggerFaggot180x

>>700984929
I have a tame name I haven't logged into for years with "butt" in the name. It's not allowed on Epic Games Store though no sir, timmy won't allow that big slur on his platform.

>>700972474
Game devlopment hit the wall in 2018 and still hasn't recovered.

>>700967857
what an embarrassing console generation

>>700985140
>I primarily game on PC
>yet for him a 3060 would be an upgrade
congratulations for either crafting some masterful bait or being exactly the kind of retard anon guessed you are

Is this the return of DA CELL?

>>700984664
Oh, pc has a readily available full system cpu, gpu, and all with 32gb of vram for less than $800 dollars? Link where, bro?

>>700987015
>choices are either X86_64 again
>ARM which is efficient but breaks some compatibility
>PPC which is dead
>or RISC-V
I say they should go RISC-V just to channel some of that god gamer MIPS energy. Forcing people to program for something else would bring back a return to greatness.
They could fuck it up by making sure nobody wants to develop for it by emulating the same development kit situation they have on PS5

>>700968223
>pc this pc that
If it's so good then where's PC2?

>>700987302
I wonder why nobody is going for ARM despite the fact that it's extremely efficient and allegedly conversion layers for x86-64 have 100% compatibility and cause only a loss of performance that's 10% only in the worst cases

>>700987532
>I wonder why nobody is going for ARM despite the fact that it's extremely efficient
Because you're fucking dumb and don't understand anything about this subject. ARMv8 and ARMv9 are ISAs, not specific core implementations, there is nothing inherently efficient about the ARM ISA vs X86

>>700983838
More powerful in just resolution. Pretty much the same in all other aspects. Can't believe I installed this shit game just to take a screenshot

>>700987723
That actually looks better than the Switch Holy shit

>>700981352
For reference ~$150 gets you something more powerful than the base ps5, $225-ish gets you over the pro by a pretty good margin.
>>700987021
>32gb of vram
You threw that one in just to troll but you could probably build something right now that'll more than likely be in the ballpark of whatever the ps6 is for $800. They can't sell it for like 2k or something, the uplift over pro is going to end up being mostly software.

>>700987742
The fuck it does

>>700987667
>>700987532
You also have to consider that ARM is a bit of a red flag now that it's owned by nvidia and there's been issues with ARM licensing.
Being bought out by a company that famously hates open source development and selling closed source solutions generationally is a bit of a risc.
It's simpler to stick with X86.

>>700987804
>nvidia owns arm
Are you a retarded fucking chatgpt?

I'm excited for the PS6 and I don't give a fuck. I still have my childlike wonder when it comes to new consoles.

This isn't exclusive to PlayStation either. I get excited about Switch 2 news and leaks.

It's fun to speculate about the future of gaming and seeing what new innovations will come.

>>700967857
>>700967917
and the games, officer?

>>700987804
Nvidia did not buy ARM you clueless shitskin

>>700987874
Yes but not a bot sadly. Just a schizophrene who understands the power that Huang holds.

>>700987804
But that isn't even true

>>700987973
>Nvidia did not buy ARM
>implying
They already own AMD.

>>700987991
3rd worlder saw a headline from 4 years ago and never actually read any of the news about it and the purchase from Softbank falling through
>>700988017
embarrassing display, juan

>>700967857
I still play ps4, I haven't gotten a ps5. I was gonna get one but I might as well just wait until the ps6 release and get that. Or I might not even bother at all and build a decent pc instead. I have the money and the room to now. But then I might not even bother with that either, i'm 28 years old, I should be doing more productive things with my time now

>>700987920
Why do you type like you are writing a gaming article?

>>700988072
>Implying Masayoshi is his own man
>Trusting Rene wholheartedly
>After witnessing recent events
Very embarrassing display; you would do well to look a little closer.

>>700988323
Cos I can m8

>>700988323
ai posting

>>700988332
You're just grasping at straws after saying something stupid. Stop it. Get some help.
Nvidia did not acquire ARM from Softbank. That deal did not happen. There is no amount of cope that changes this.

How can they do PS6 when 5 never started

>>700988408
You can go on believing they're not for sale anon, if that allows you to sleep at night but don't come crying to me in a decade.
I tried to warn you.

>>700967857
Imagine the ai upscale and fake frame eye rape that all future consoles will be saddled with. At least in theory, there still won't be any games.

>>700988659
Just like pc

>>700988502
What an insanely irrelevant statement
Why is it so hard to admit you were wrong instead of doubling down like a woman?

the industry as we know it won't even exist in 2027 anymore

imagine thinking sony's current business model is sustainable, snoys truly are a bunch of low IQ bantus

>>700987759
No, I fully expect the ps6 to have 32 gbs of vram and for every single card on the market to be a paperweight. And you are spouting absolute horseshit about the power of the cards alongside their price.

>>700988842
>fully expect the ps6 to have 32 gbs of vram
I find it hard to believe it would have like 48gb of ram or something. Even if it did somehow they would have to find a way to make games work with what's on pc, they're not going to just exclude 99.9% of the pc market.
>absoute horseshit
used pricing. Even like worst case scenario the thing burns out 3 years from now you just spend another $150-$250 and buy another used card.

>>700967917
>PS6 thread
>1st reply: "SWITCH 2 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Rent free

>>700988782
I'd octuple down if it were possible but you don't seem ready to accept the truth. You've had multiple appearances over the last year and even the last few days to wake up and you won't.
This is what happens when people get their news from chatbots and social media.

>>700989267
Its dead jim

>>700989205
>make games work

So compromises, not equivalent to a ps6. Gotcha.

>used prices

lol lmao. The ps6 will be available new. Again, not equivalent. The ps5 has sold 60 million units, you think your used cards can supply that level of demand while keeping things below 250? Were you not around for the crypto fuckfest or something?

>>700989628
yeah playstation is dead and jim ryan was the one who gave the mercy kill, we all know that

>>700987021
You have to throw in the thousand+ dollars to play online, replacement controllers for stick drift, and all the games you can't pirate.

Then add the additional value you get on PC since it plays PC exclusives like MMOs and Xbox exclusives. Then add the additional value from having a good PC for other things like blender, game development, AI generation, etc. Most people already have at least a shitty PC so you also have to subtract the price of that since you could just pay extra and get a better one. PS5's lifetime cost is at least 5x more than a PC over a console generation.

>>700971489
>Look at the quality,
>cheap plastic parts
>prone to over heating like all of their systems
>will probably kill itself on an update
>10 year old tech
>most importantly, no games
>all in a $1000 package
Mmm yeah, that classic Sony quality

>>700967857
name a must play ps5 game that will not be on another platform other than cute astroyboy

>>700990418
DS2.
Truxton extreme.

>>700989675
>not equivalent to a ps6
Who cares, pc and console ports don't need to be perfect equivalents anyways, even now most games on console would be lower than pc low for almost everything excluding like textures and shadow resolution.
On the texture resolution (it applies to literally everything else too though) bit diminishing returns kicks in after a certain point. The textures they can make work on 8gb cards aren't really that much worse than something that needs 16gb for example. At the resolutions that consoles and low end/mid range gpus are going to play AAA games at (the only games where having more than a 2060 even matters) even 6gb cards are playable today without much degradation of textures outside of the shittiest of ports on release.
>second paragraph
Don't care about that either, retarded shit anyways.

32GB of GDDR7 is just 4 packages at 8GB density which will be in full swing from every memory vendor before long here.
Not at all prohibitively expensive or unrealistic.

>>700968561
X-men is a boring and gay franchise with no interesting characters besides wolverine, who is already getting a solo game first. is anyone sincerely excited for this crap?

>>700967857
What's the point of making better hardware if modern games aren't fully utilizing the existing PS5 hardware?

>>700991212
The call center workers in Durgalalabanban India aren't going to become better programmers and UE6 will make all current hardware beg for mercy

>>700980758
no, literally never. turd devs making movie games will always choose 30fps with more detailed graphics. framerate interpolation has also opened the door for incompetent devs to add fake 60fps modes instead of real ones like in wukong.

>>700991425
240FPS
(9FPS not AI generated)

>>700967857
I wished I stuck with ps4 instead of getting a ps5.

>digital only console

Yes digital only, sony quietly has ended all blu ray disc production today.

>>700991674
>put disc in drive
>console immediately downloads 100GB of shit over the internet anyway
This was always going to happen. Cartridges or thumb drives will be the only physical media left.

>>700975287
do games not have water physics anymore? just some splash particle effects?

>>700991812
Importing a simple free library is too hard and time consuming. Muh dev crunch time. Please understand. Now give us $70 plus season pass plus DLC not covered by season pass plus microtransactions

>>700991171
Xavier and Magneto rivalry is kino

>>700984845
did you forget the TLOU1 PC release fiasco or are you going to say something retarded like it was a false flag
in case you were in a coma, it had extremely poor performance and stability at release, despite releasing 6 months after PS5.
i didn't hear anything bad about uncharted 4 remastered but it took 9 months to release on PC which suggests some problems. both games were announced for PS5 and PC simultaneously, not intentionally timed exclusive.

>>700991920
A cripple vs a holocaust survivor is the gayest most jewish-slop rivalry every conceived

>>700991674
sony just shut down their in-house manufacturing for them, retardo. they'll keep shipping games pressed by other companies' factories.
this news broke months ago and you're still trying to spread FUD over it, why?

>>700983070
and if anything the SSD tech (direct storage) ps5 uses was actually better than most peoples SSD's and you can see this by comparing PC ratchet and clank to PS5

>>700992116
Wrong, But I accept your concession :)

>>700992119
>you can see this by comparing PC ratchet and clank to PS5
it "loads" slower on PC because they repurposed the loading screens from the PS5 version to be used for shader precompilation

>>700992119
Its just a little accelerator block on the SoC, nothing special about the storage itself. PC hardware has this same hardware, only you can't take full advantage of it because Microsoft fucking hates you.

>>700972349
Not if you live outside of America. In Eastern Europe a 4090 alone costs more than the average wage.

The fuck even was the point of the PS5 Pro lmao

>>700992448
What's the point of a 5090, you can get the 6090 in two years time anyway?

>>700992119
>and if anything the SSD tech (direct storage) ps5 uses was actually better than most peoples SSD's
How did Sony manage to convince retards this was true.

>>700992597
Peak read speeds is higher than PCI-E4.0 drives that were on the market at console release, and most people had SATA drives instead of NVMes.

>>700992448
they were expected to make it and committed to doing it, but when the time came there was almost nothing useful they could actually add to it.
they were really despicably lazy too, instead of upgrading the video encoder to output actual 8K, they just started using display stream compression. for 800 bucks it cannot output video at full res losslessly.

>>700967857
PS5 was a big fucking nothing with no games.

>>700993526
Yep. And a ps6 will have even less.

>>700993526
That's an outdated view. The modern console is basically a convenient way to play multiplat games for people that don't want or can't afford a gaming PC.
Cross-gen is long because the architecture between gens is fairly similar, due to people demanding backward compatibility.
Modern AAA budgets are just so ridiculous that console exclusive games make no sense anymore, hence everything gets put on every platform at some point. Instead exclusives you just get exclusive access for a year.

>>700990489
What is DS2?
Truxton will end up on steam like the original

>>700992215
is this the ultimate downie reply other than no u?

>>700971489
>Look at the quality
The PS5 is the only console I've ever owned where just playing games on it normally makes it constantly creak and pop from thermal expansion of the plastic

>>700993856
Moronic

>>700995816
It's reality. Console exclusives AAA games will be an extreme rarity going forward due to the budgets they require.
Everybody who is happy to play smaller games went to Nintendo, so Sony and Microsoft have to cater to these highly-demanding gamers that want stunning graphics and a cinematic experience. And that means PC ports to make a profit.

>>700993856
Are you (maybe) a game dev yourself?
>>700992285
How do you think, how long does it take to develop a chip like this?

>>700996279
Not a dev. It's just common sense, when you look at it from the shareholders POV.
Porting games to PC costs almost nothing, because the architectures are so similar nowadays, so by not doing it the studios are just leaving a bunch of money on the table for no reason.
The only thing they need to get right is the exclusivity period, because if it's too short they risk losing people from the ecosystem.

>>700996093
>It's reality
It's stupidity. You could easily solve the issue by not spending recklessly.
This is also why it's only the western industry that's failing and not the eastern industry.
>so Sony and Microsoft have to cater to these highly-demanding gamers
Just to let you know that they're not doing that, they're doing the opposite and catering to casual audiences who want considerably shorter games

>>700996634
Maybe I'll ask /g then.
What do you mean from the shareholders POV?
I'm not very well versed in that. How can I follow that?

>>700968869
better RT and Upscaling

>>700967857
PS6 should use Ryzen 9000 series level CPU or above

I really wish they won't repeat the same mistake of using Ryzen 3000 level CPU that much closer performance to 1st gen Ryzen CPU

>>700967857
PS6 with Ryzen 9000+3DV cache and UDNA GPU will be really good

PS3 - no gaems (actually some gaems but litte)
PS4 - no gaems (Bloodborne)
PS5 - no gaems (actually literally nothing)
PS6 - ???

What's next? Is it possible for a console to have minus games? Concord-like exclusives that will be pulled after launch forever?

>>700968561
Can't wait to buy the same games I've been buying since the PS3 all over again!

>>700997530
SpiderMan is going to be full African this time around bro its gonna be lit

Surely ꜱonyggers aren't going to fall for lies like the magic SSD and the magic CELL like they always do, right? They're not THAT stupid, right?

>>700967857
I can’t think of a single game the PS5 has. PS6 hopefully has a library.

>>700996634
How should I understand that, do you mean the earnings call?

>>700977572
>>700981543
Good way to expose yourself as someone who clearly doesn't have an idea of what he's talking about.
PS4 to PS5 was about a 5x increase in FP32 performance (just under 2 TFLOPS to about 10). In both cases the GPUs were fairly similar to AMD's contemporaneous mid-range discrete GPUs.
It's not at all unrealistic for the next-gen UDNA mid-range GPU to achieve around 50 FP32 TFLOPS, for another 5x performance jump.

>>700968561
I don't believe PS6 is launching in 2027. Only exclusive games I've played is Astro Bot and Stellar Blade.

>>700980758
I mean, 60 fps is the standard because there is a performance mode you can turn on. Played all my titles at either 120fps or 60fps, but in games like Silent Hill 2 it dipped to like 45 sometimes because of Unreal Engine 5 jews

>>700998891
Exclusive?

>>700983070
Yeah, the Spider-man fast travel was fucking insane. That was revolutionary in my opinion. Also the fact I can boot up my PS5 now and begin right where I left off some days ago. Like instantly, I just resume the game.

>>700970138
>muh tarifffsssisisiss
Shut up, Reddit.

I'm so tired of the "AMD LE BAD" that comes from the stupid children that post here.
90% of it comes from people running aging or low-end nvidia hardware, so it's not like you're speaking from a position of superiority.

>>700999402
Raul with his 750ti has a lot of pride in it, he'll name a son after it one day

>>700999402
KEK

>>700981036
Murica, I bought a 950sqft mansion during covid for $160k with 30k down, my mortgage plus insurance plus tax is $~850 a month, and I rent out a room for the majority of it. Making around $85k a year pre-tax, that take home pay is post tax and health insurance and large retirement contribution

>>700999402
Proompting with nvidia cards is so much easier and faster that I’d rather pay a nominal amount more for that alone. Resale value is nice too, and I haven’t experienced a driver issue in several years

>>700999602
Boy I hope 950sqft was a typo and there was supposed to be a 1 in front of that

>>700967857
>2027
2026*

>>700999791
Nah lol, just a non daddy’s money first house for a 22yo

>>700999952
I lived in a 900sqft house on a pretty nice lake in my 20s and it was still fucking miserable. You have my condolences.

>>700967917
Comparing a Switch to a PlayStation is like comparing an Apple Watch to a Samsung Galaxy. It's not even the same market.

>>700996634
Sry, but due to to the time difference.. can you pls reply to my comment?

>>701000026
Good nuff for me, don’t have much shit and still have about an acre to mess around in. Definitely letting a rentoid take over this one once I get married and need the space

>>700972672
Parents are not gonna buy a $450 handheld console

The peice of the PS5 will drop, right?

>>700999765
>proompting
Considering you're in your late-teens/early-20s, trying to do it with AMD would be like asking you to do brain surgery, so I understand.

>>700980456
was about to say that games being cancelled had no effect on this but I think it's safe to assume that the sony studio ripper has knocked on their door too
the only thing sony can do to make somewhat uppealing to customers is
>ps3 emulation (they will never allow you to use discs tho) and backwards compatibility
and... uh..... that's it? literally like xbox lmao because I sure as hell don't think they will suddenly change policy and shit out exclusives
grim sonyNATION tf is going on rn I'm shaking

>>701000640
older, I can afford one lil broke nigga

>>701000845
>"nigga"
>"older"
Not by much, I'm sure.
Considering this is /v/, and you're bragging, but vague, I'm gonna go with
3060ti or 4070. AT BEST.

>>701000960
guess higher lil broke nigga
get your money up not your cope up lil broke nigga

>>701001072
The only 80 series card you owned had a 10 in front of it.

>>701000541
Maybe in the second-hand market

>>700967857
I literally give zero fucks about specs. Will it have good games?

>>700967857
$1249
screencap this

>>700967857
I see "v-cache" is the new buzzword for the next generation. PS5 was the m.2 SSD. Now it's "the cpu is slightly faster sometimes when it's relevant"

yeah, ps6 will be powerful, but what about the game??

Do we really need a ps6 already? hardly feely like the ps5 had anything

>>700998525
To be clear, you believe AMD will develop an APU that is more powerful than their current largest desktop GPU? Is the console going to be liquid nitrogen cooled, or did they find a way to defy the laws of physics? What's the yield rate on dies larger than Apple's $5000 M4 Max?

>>700967917
No games

There's not a single game this gen that doesn't feel 8th gen

>>700967857
Who cares about a digital only console?
https://www.sony.jp/rec-media/info2/20250123.html

>>701009598
They're stopping the production and sale of recordable discs anon not pre-recorded blu-rays. Recordable Blu-Rays for commercial sale are a dead market. This is also old as fuck news, they said they'd do this from last year.

>>700969013
ARM is far superior to any APU
More threads, higher clock speeds, better cache, actually utilizes separate ram and has its own separate GPU (doesn't need shared VRAM like the cuckstation AMD APUs have)

>>700967857
UDNA is basically GCN on steroids, AMD is going full circle in the grandest of ironies. They should have never split the architecture, but they were facing bankruptcy, so they had no choice I suppose.

>>700992535
What's the point of getting either when all of their numbers are inflated by AI fake frame bullshit?

>>701010865
You are so fucking confused its hilarious

>>701010865
The M4 doesn't have SMT, has a lower boost clock than most Zen 5 base clocks, has less and slower cache, and uses unified memory shared with the GPU
It's still significantly faster than any AMD APU but you're very retarded

>>700999880
'no'

>there's a non-zero chance GTA6 gets delayed until halfway into the PS6 generation
post yfw

It's Joever.

>>700967917
You need games for consoles

>>700971489
>Look at the quality
I'll give you an example of the ''''''''''quality''''''''''

I have both a PS5 and a Switch and both are side by side on top of a stand that is a bit higher than the seat level. That shouldn't be a problem right?

Turns out it isn't a problem for the Switch as I can use my pro controllers and the cons without problems while seated. But guess what? The ShitStation 5 can't register his shit ass controller properly when the console is on a level above. The controller doesn't register buttons unless I lower the piece of shit console to a level below or use a shit ass cable.

That's how much quality you get from Sony idiot.

>>701016538
My PS5 drops inputs if I put it behind the television. But the thing is fucking huge so there's nowhere else it will fit. It simply demands that you put it alongside your TV on its own table where everyone can look at how ridiculous it is.

>>701018353
If you can afford a PS5, you can afford a bigger table

>>701016030
loving sex with aerith

>>701010278
You wasn't supposed to say that

>>700967917
2 years isn't exactly around the corner

>>700972569
The Switch 2 has been obsolete since 2018 KEK

>>701020181
The hardware is from 2021 anon.

>>701020469
Says a lot about the Switch 2 when the hardware is already four years old and has been obsolete for seven.

>>701020784
It's faster than a PS4 and I think most people on this board would agree that's the last console generation where video games were good

>>701020846
Nintendo specs are always a step down from on-paper performance. It'll run games at half the framerate in practice. Enjoy your silky, buttery, smooth 6 FPS on the new 3D Zelda.

>>701000337
They aren't going to buy a $900 entertainment platform either.

>>701020846
>faster than a ps4
>games look worse than a ps4

You can see jagged edges in the Mario kart gameplay...

>PC
>even with my 3060, SH2 runs at 40 FPS on low settings
>can only run marvel rivals on low
>console
>have to constantly "upgrade" when I dont want to, lose access to old games

Pick the poison. I think overall I still prefer PC but I do miss the simple days of console where I didnt need to fiddle fuck with the graphics for hours to make it run okay

>>701015128
you really think they're just gonna sit there while the new xbox drops?

test

>>701021769
Unironically yes. Xbox doesn't even compete with Playstation anymore.

>>700967857
>we have an inkling of an idea of a concept of the inner workings of one of the parts of the console
KEK TENDIES OWNINATED BTFO FOREVER PS6 WILL KILL SWITCH TOO.

>>701021798
you passed

>>701021798
Did you get banned for starting a flame ware again?

>>700967917
>5 years since rPS5 elease
>You can count exclusives on two hands
>Gloating about PS6 coming soon
Nonono

>>701021520
Can you?

>>700983915
Sony pretty much wants to forget about ps2/3. It will never happen.

>>701024171
>Make it fully backwards compatible
Boy I have some news for you, if the leaks are to be believed then yes it is in fact fully backwards compat.

>>701021578
Yeah, people really underestimate how much effort devs put into optimizing for consoles.

>>701018785
Based

>Disc drive sold separately for $100
>Stand sold separately for $50
>Vent fans sold separately at $50
>Cooling system sold separately at $100
>Payed online
No thanks

>>700968318
>1000 grand

The fuck?

>>700983915
This is the dream

>>701026519
No excuse why they cant introduce some form of backwards compatibility as it is, even M$ were able to do it in a limited fashion on the Xbone with its ancient jaguar CPUs. Hell there's no excuse why they cant even make PS1 games backwards compatible, they already did it on the PS2 and PS3 and even had PS1 software emulation on PSP.
Fuck, PS2 emulation is even possible on Android devices and PS3 emu is playable on some laptop APUs, there's no excuse for how inpet this company is.

>>701031157
PS3 is the stumbling block because to achieve perfect emulation you require a lot of headroom. Converting the SPU function to standard architecture is costly. That's likely why they'd wait until PS6 to offer full backwards compatibility.

The optics of saying PS1-PS6 is a lot better than saying PS1-PS6 (excluding PS3).

>>701021520
I didn't see those anywhere

>>701033251
Should get your eyes checked

How long will the PS5 be supported for? Games are still coming out for the PS4.

>>701033354
Same as the past 4 gens. They get 3 years of 1st party support. Then 3rd party debs can support as long as they want.

E.g. PS2 was supported until 2013.

>>700967857
Cool, but will it have any games?