>>700960559
>if they can actually deliver what they promise.
After 5-8 years yes. If you buy a Paradox game new you're throwing money away.

>getting hyped for a paradox game
first time?

no it wont, maybe after 10 years of DLCs and the mods have come in. Granted that havent helped Vick3, but hey

still waiting for them to fix cities skylines 2

>>700960559
EU5 is going to have less features at launch than EU4 currently does. Don't worry though. They'll sell them back to you as dlc for the fair price of $20 each

>>700961542
>less features
Yes, no mana.

>>700960559
I wanted Star Trek Infinite to have continued support bros

>>700960559
I doubt it'll have as much content as EU4 has now, but I hope it'll be decent. Still won't buy on launch though.

>>700960559
Shill.

>>700960559
>if they can actually deliver what they promise
Looks like you're gunning for a Fell For It Again Award.

>>700961073
Found the HOI4 baby. That shit was barebones and broken as fuck on release. Actual liquid ass.

>>700964093
>>700964191
If it's WIP why put mana icons? If the game isn't going to have mana then why is there mana? Could it be that johan, who's previously shown he has no fucking clue what mana is, is still in denial about mana? Sure looks like mana to me!

You're falling for it again, you gormless idiot.

>>700961073
ck3 has a way better launch than ck2's launch

>>700960559
A lot of the mechanics are looking good for modding. The only reason why I'm not hyping atm is because of trash there releases have been over the last 5-10 years. But I'm very much looking forward to the playtest builds being released to so we can learn if the devs are going to deliver.
Also can't wait for the Imperator mod

>>700964191
I wonder what he actually considers as mana.

>>700965664
Conceptually, I draw the line at Diegetic column, every to the left is mana. Put for gameplay convenience, everything but Monarch Powers are the only real issue, and that's only because of how they were used in Eu4 (they were fine in post-patch Imperator)

>Time is mana
kek

>>700964191
I assume this just another vichy 3 "no war allowed" excuse to give the jeets a more managble workload.

>>700966570
pdx doesnt have a studio in india tho

>>700960559
Johan said the same shit about ck3 you people are retarded to believe that faggot

Where we dropping, /v/?

>>700966880
Ever since they made the new studio in Spain (Tonto) the quality has gone down the shitter. Everyone knows Meds don't like to work.

>>700968883
What happened to all those fake nations in Australia and Africa to justify their dlc and woke history?

>>700969086
They'll be released in DLC in a few years.

>>700968883
Why is Japan unified?

>>700969398
So they can sell you a Japan DLC later

>>700969239
I hope they release the combat update as part of that dlc.

>>700961073
This one is being made by Punished Johan though. Humbled from his hubris after his Imperator Rome vision was rejected.

>>700969398
>>700969541
It's due to how they're portraying the clans as "Extraterritorial Countries", they have the clans underneath that red layer:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-maps-24-25th-of-october-japan-and-korea.1710914/

>>700969398
They are not. It's just that Sengoku Jidai haven't started yet

>>700964093
>>700964282

I assume the mana icons are repurposed into character stats like in Crusader Kings and Imperator Rome. I really hope the character system isn't like Imperator Rome though. That shit got tedious.

>>700960559
Sure, I will pirate it and see, if it's actually good I will buy it and proceed to not buy any of the upcoming DLC and unlocking it with creamAPI like always.

>>700969086
>>700969239
They are still there on a separate "unlanded" map mode along with the lords in Japan and banking networks . No word yet whether they will be playable or not

>>700969919
Can a historyfag tell me what the fuck is going on above korea? Battle royale?

>>700970780
Aren't those Jurchen tribes?

>>700969919
Conquering the yamato as the ainu and making them eat red meat instead of uncooked fish

>>700970780
All of these including Korea are Vassals of Mongol China. I assume there will be heavy scripting that makes China collapse freeing all their vassals nearly every game.

>>700968883
First campaign will probably be jurchen tribes to qing. See how weak non europeans are right away.

>>700970780
Jurchen tribes. There is seemingly very little history before 1368, or at least the wiki doesnt list anything for the jianzhou.

Maybe Jianzhou will be formable, into manchu, into later jin, into qing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jianzhou_Jurchens

>>700969086
They were never presented as being normal playable nations in the same vein as the ones you see on that map.
The idea behind the game is that groups which have yet to achieve actual civilization are represented as "Societies of pops". They don't truly have borders in the same way a real country does and merely exist wherever their people are.
You may have seen a different mapmode which shows those entities on the map alongside normal countries and understandably assumed that they were normal playable tags. As of right now, they are not.
The main function of them in the game is so that when you try to colonize as a real country and have to deal with the local natives, you can actually keep track of what kinds of native you're dealing with.

>>700968883
I might just be a kongo nigga

>>700960559
What's the absolute best place to be born in at this time (1337)?

>>700973120
none because the Black Plague will hit soon

>>700960559
qrd on aragon
qrd on balliot

>>700973120
Some Scandi place maybe? Everywhere sucked unless you were a noble.

>>700973120
Poland

>>700973120
China probably

>>700973120
urban Flanders, urban Lombardy Tuscany, urban coastal China

>>700973120
>Europe about to get cucked by the Black Plague
>Middle East about to get cucked by the Mongols
>Central Asia is a battle royale

Probably North Africa (not Egypt) or East Asia.

>>700964191
How many times do you have to be bitten to learn?

>>700973120
Poland
The only kingdom that was spared by the plague
Don't ask why

>>700973783
Why?

>>700969905
>>700970201
>>700972291
So japs won't be playable on release?

>>700960559
why do they insist on using character models in games that aren't CK3? CK3's is an RPG so having your character represented makes sense, but Vic3 and EU5 having them just seems like a drain on your PCs resources

>>700973915
This. CK3 models, graphics, gameplay is unironically the best of all Paradox games. What's the point if I can't see my pregnant sister-wife give birth to my 22nd child?

The first 100 years in EU5 is going to be interesting.

>>700973898
even the plague doesn't want to live in poland

>>700973915
Maybe they're hoping people will stop using marriages for only PUs/alliances and instead marry for looks like in CK3

>>700960559

Is EU4 even worth it if I have everything from EU3?

>>700974219
I really don't like big byz, I just don't see the black death and the ottos posing a challenge, you just have to erase them before they can do anything.

>>700968883
earlier start date makes Byzantium look pretty comfy here

>>700974404
so many if not all of the things they're teasing are going to be incredibly flawed and easily exploitable, because they have to be made for retards, (paradox customers) by retards (paradox)

watch these big bad rebellions be completely ignorable by passing some law or releasing a vassal state, or sniping some rebel stack knowing when and where it'll appear

>>700960559
>If
Every game would become the best "if ..."

>>700974219
Interesting to see his change of heart, I remember him saying moving back the EU3 start date to 1399 had been a mistake
>>700974404
Byz will have a bunch of day 1 disasters and ottomans will likely get to declare on them via event