>>700942626
Global Conflagration was interesting. It threw me a bit off because the game starts instantly, no ramp up time, not even like a minute of ramp up time, so the pacing is a bit 0 to 100. It’s combined modern arms, so except you cool tanks to get blown up by a cruise missile if you group up and suck your thumb in one spot. Normal AI kind of babies you, because they will aggressively take the map, but won’t really properly assault your base. It does have bad performance issues though where the game will randomly start chugging for no discernable reason (mostly experienced in my 4 player game where it happened multiple times). It was fun enough I am going to try it some more, though I’m not 100% sold.

The Tohou Empires is just Age of Empires but Tohou. I am not a Tohou fan so I can’t speak to those elements much. But the game just oozes “this thing was made fast and cheap” and I don’t see much reason to engage with it, I even if you were a Tohou fan. Certainly not if you are an Age of Empires fan.

Kunitsu-Gami, well I have no idea why it had the RTS title. Actually it’s a console action game with some light tactics about fighting corrupting Yokai or something. It’s pretty, but I wanted actual RTS or at least something like real time tactics, whatever, not strategy. Tried it a little anyway, it did not hook me.

Arcane Wilds was an oddball. Think age of empries III or exploration/colonization for the setting/time with European explorers and then the Indian inhabitants, but then there is also magic and forest creatures/mythical beings. Very janky and feels very cheap in a bad way (art style, unit animations, portraits, voice work). The mechanics are interesting, (you bring in troops from your harbor on a schedule, your military units can pick up and carry the resources like wood or crystal so you can raid enemy logistics and steal them) but the whole thing feels very undercooked.

Starting with Space Tales next post.

>>700942771
Space Tales is a They are Billions Sci-fi clone. Kind of an interesting setting. The arstyle is very… space cartoon? Like I’m playing the Buzz Lightyear faction vs. Calvin and Hobbes aliens. I don’t know if that makes any sense. The issue is there seems to be tons of meta progression (unlocking your units/techs outside of actual matches) which I didn’t like, it meant I was just stuck with the basic units. I liked They are Billions and played through some of the Survival maps, but this game did not hook me enough to explore further.

The Scouring is clearly a Warcraft like/clone. I didn’t play Warcraft I or II, so I can only directly compare to 3, but regardless this is a very simplified RTS with a small units roster, though the units have some interesting interactions. Not a huge fan of the art style, and the voice work is atrocious. Everyone speaks in animal crossing not! Languages, except it’s all just non-stop grunting. Game would have been really better served by some serious voice work injecting personality into the units, instead it’s a stand out sorepoint. The neutrals being aggressive and attacking your base at night was interesting, I think I actually enjoyed that. But everything else made me not see myself getting invested.

And final honorable mention goes to Private Military Manager. It’s not an RTS, but it is a nice spreadsheet roster manager with tacticool/milsim wrapping. I found it fun and interesting enough to finish the demo and would definitely play more. Try the demo out imo (I did the story mode, seems the freeplay mode isn’t ready), I will be keeping my eye out for the final release.

So there we go, 9 demos I tried out. If anyone has demos they want to recommend, post em and maybe I'll check em out.

Where the 19th century games at.

>>700943170
I don't know anon, I certainly didn't spot them in steam rtsfest.

>>700942626
Mechabellum isn’t an RTS but it’s good

>>700944290
I recognize the title. What's good about it anon?

>>700944410
DONT LISTEN TO THAT ANON
mechabellum is a super shallow auto chess game that I regret buying immensely

>>700944410
nta but I like Mechabellums unit designs and it the battles are pretty impressive once there are a lot of units on screen

>>700942771
GC is actually good, tried already and if it ever releases its gonna be played for sure

>>700946226
Definitely was one of the standouts with potential. Gonna try some more today, try some of the other factions. What's your strat for dealing with bomber spam? The air superiority fighters were weirdly hard to use.

They are really stretching the definition of RTS with this sale. I see Total War games on there, and those aren't any kind of RTS.

>>700946469
Yeah "strategy" just gets lumped in nowadays, but it's hard to blame them when true RTS titles of note are so few.

Play BFGA2

>>700947213
I suppose chess also plays itself if you never move the pieces anon, but that's more on you

>>700946840
What do you like about Gothic anon. I've certainly heard it's a good game and played plenty of 40k titles.

>>700946840
this game is neat but the AI makes me fall asleep with how primitive and repetitive battles are and the multiplayer was abandoned by the devs half a year after release and it died

>>700946840
I really enjoyed this game too, but I hit the pause button every 5 seconds haha.

My only issue with it is if I don't play for a week I may as well restart my campaign because I forget everything.

>>700947884
no wait actually fuck this game, I just remembered that usually around half of the ship rosters are suboptimal for every race and the mp battles are just skirmishes without being able to lobby properly
nothing like a dynamic campaign like mp mode where you'd somehow have to make the suboptimal ships work because you don't have else, it's just skirmish with random opponent and you had to hope they didn't happen to bring the counter to your fleet like in a fucking RNG card game
what a trash design

>>700947884
I would argue AI eventually becomes the problem with every single game you play a little too much. That AI revolution they promised like ten years back never came and instead its been put to work generating coom content 24/7

Did you play Stormgate? How did you feel about it?

>>700949031
No I didn't but with all the shit floating around, I didn't feel the need. I watched the 1st mission back when paid early access 1st dropped and it was so poorly designed, it was laughable (the 2nd mission was at least decent). Characters looked bad so I just didn't bother and I wasn't hearing anything else good about it.

>>700949031
I felt like "why am I playing this when it's a lower quality Starcraft 2?"

Why are there literally no good RTS games like in the golden days? I scrolled so long through the steam page and it's just all shit

Should I get 9-Bit Armies? Also, how is Empire of the Ants?

>>700949295
Because the industry moved away from RTS to Mobas, then from Mobas to hero shooters, and here we are

>>700949031
I just really really don't like the unit designs and faction designs. Ok, the hell units are not too bad just looking at them but then you see the game play and nah.

honestly the only rts that looks good to me right now is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMblnHalvKI

im sure someone posted it in the thread already

>>700949303
9-bit armies is fun. It's not revolutionary, but I had fun clearing the campaigns and doing the bonus objectives. I wouldn't call it memorable or great.
I didn't play Empire of the Ants, but I heard it was okay. On the other hand I hear people rave about Empires of the Undergrowth.

>>700949359
yes but shouldn't there be indie devs or some shit making something? There is absolutely nothing

>>700949359
>the industry moved away from RTS to Mobas
Dude, there's only 2 mobas that actually survived. The rest of them were complete flops and waste of money

>>700947785
>>700947884
>>700948370
It's best played against people, but the campaign is tight and the story is good. It is very HARD at the beginning and you really need to know the rules of engagement to get the most of the ships.

As said on another thread, it's a cat and mouse game since you want to destroy or route the enemy ships like a naval battle.

>>700949785
Long as the campaign is good, then that's cool.

>>700949465
>Empires of the Undergrowth

I already have that one, and it was merely ok.

this just looks so clean and crisp to me, how can 1 man do this while an entire dev team working on storm gate cant escape unit blobs

>>700949785
>It is very HARD at the beginning
I really only remember the AI being fucking stupid and doing nothing but coming at you full force or maybe splitting to cap. But then the only difficulty was merely just the numbers. The AI had more ships and that's all, it just came at you like a wall. Very lame and boring, I was either to let battle auto-resolve to save my sanity or fight mind numbing battles each turn.

>>700950006
There's 4 campaigns so you'll have content for a long time. I finished the imperium one and that was around 100 hours cause i'm a completitionist and wouldn't let my people be overrun by any xeno in any sector. Then there's the Chaos, Tyranid and Necron campaigns. Tyranids one is hard. You're always starving and on the hunt for more biomass, and each loss adds up.

>>700950192
There are numbers battles and you can auto resolve most, but sometimes you just can't let it go. There are battles that are on their favor and making the most of a bad situation is necessary. And the important unskippable battles are 50/50.

>>700950114
what is this game?

>>700950497
Dust Front. Looks really good but it's vaporware at this point.

>>700950497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaoxsqlfhZ0

>>700950586
it is absolutely NOT vaporware look at all this new content in this video

>>700950586
it looks interesting but pretty cluttered desu

>>700950759
I agree but also feel there is high visual clarity on everything important

>>700950663
>>700949457
I'm definitely interested but any RTS without a release date I only barely keep tabs on, like DORF.

Play BAR

>>700951025
but it doesn't have a campaign right? multiplayer is cool but unless you really know what you're doing you just get raped

used to play CoH1 multiplayer a lot in 2017
hows the game nowadays, still alive with short wait for matches?? PvE and PvP

>>700951025
I already know all about BAR, played it alot.

>>700951196
No not yet and who knows when they will get to it. But it has skirmish and scenarios and co-op vs. AI so it's still worth checking out even if pvp is not up your alley.

>>700951196
What difference does it make?

>>700949692
Indies attempt to make RTSes all the time, though. Emphasis on 'attempt'.

>>700949692
There are but they usually are average to bad. The issue is that RTS used to be made by the big professional companies of the day. Sure, those classic RTS are 20 years or older, but they were made by the cream of the crop and Indies can't compete with them as a rule. RTS are not easy to make.

The best Aliens game ever made, perfectly captures that scene when the team mounts a defense in that closed room.

https://youtu.be/IS2PtmM9mwU

>>700953205
well what's the game called. Aliens Onslaught? I assume it's real time tactics game?

>>700953498
Alies the dark descent, yes, it's RTT with resource management between missions.

>>700949295
Classic RTS is largely abandoned and considered obsolete. There's more money to be made on assorted offshoot and hybrid genres like colony management, factory building, tower defense, autobattlers, or grand strategy.

>>700942626
>Drone Perspective is “I am literally in Ukraine watching people die from a drone.” It’s a tactics game about controlling fire teams (starter mission was two teams of 2 infantry). The concept seems neat. It’s pretty brutal because soldiers outside of cover die nearly instantly. I had trouble because I wasn’t use to the control scheme and misclicked moved commands get your dudes killed instantly. I think it has potential.
Anybody that plays this game is getting lynched along with all the other drone operators.

>>700954065
Aight, maybe I'll pick it up.

>>700942626
What are some RTS games worth playing for single player only? I've already played some of the big ones like C&C Remastered, Starcraft, Company of Heroes 2, Dawn of War 1/2
Any good beginner friendly "wargames" in this sale?

>>700954284
The bad part is that it has a really long and boring tutorial, but if you can get through it, the actual game is great.

>>700954546
Steam has every single C&C game as a bundle now so red alert 2, tiberium sun, generals, are all in there.
Age of Mythology has a great campaign.
For wargames, personally I really liked Steel Division Normandy. Slower paced, very tactical combined arms focused, with some cool campaigns. It's only 6 bucks right now.

>>700954692
>is that it has a really long and boring tutorial
Good to know

whats the gookclickiest gookclicker since SC1

>>700954792
Starcraft 2 :^)

>>700954065
>it's RTT with resource management between missions
Every time I saw screenshots of the game it looked like a 4 player twin stick shooter and I wrote it off, thanks for letting me know that's not the case

>>700954792
Not RTS, but for me Sentry Knight Tactics stood out as a cancerous clickfest. Your dudes won't do anything if you don't tell them to, and the hardest difficulty mode actually disables box select so that you have to order everyone individually.

>>700955139
>and the hardest difficulty mode actually disables box select
fucking why lol

Is Sins of a Solar Empire 2 any good?
I remember playing the first one and it being pretty good. Because you could save multiplayer games, me and my buddy had an epic lan battle that lasted over a year. Peak kino.

>>700955812
It's just a lazy "remaster" of the first game more than anything, there's essentially no difference between them. And it's filled with AI generated art.

>>700942626
Okay I just did the two demo missions for Terminator. Seems pretty cool and I heard other other anons reccomend. It's a real time tactics game, more in the wargames field. I liked the flow of the fights, visiuals, sounds, the look of the firefights. The music and voice work was pretty good too. Will pick up. Try out the demo, just be sure to also try the machine mission. It's dlc but the demo lets you play the mission and it's less of a tutorial then the 1st humanity mission.

that anonymous poster who now has an RTS backlog

>>700957559
Looks like a good time

>>700942626
Annihilate the Spance is a pretty cool base builder rts where you're trying to overwhelm enemy bases by producing constant waves of spaceships that you can't control directly.
Definitely worth checking out, demo has a fairly lenghty prologue campaign.

Scouring - a notWarcraft 2 with some interesting ideas here and there but overall kinda meh.

Flow of War - another notWarcraft but you also don't control units directly and with very modern pixel art. Meh.
I recommend checking out Loria if you're looking for notWarcraft game.

Grey Galactic - a 2D RTS where most of your units can only move between different orbits. Too basic.

Crown of Greed - Majesty with less charm. A bit buggy with heroes getting randomly paralyzed without any seeming reason but i actually liked it. Kinda.

Realms of Madness - somewhat similar to stronghold but more 2D. Charming artstyle and that fey/plant lady's disgusting french accent gave me an extra motivation to complete the demo by wrecking her base.

>>700957559
I wouldn't sleep on the OG Dawn of War campaign either. Its not as replayable as Dark Crusade or Soulstorm (especially DC) but its pretty good imo.
Also is that AoE2 HD or DE? Cause if its DE then it'll take you a lot longer than 40 hours to beat everything.

>>700942771
i tried this game's demo long ago, im not sure what changed or improved. it seemed like a red alert 2 clone that had some interesting ideas but was still a bit rough in what it wanted to do and how balanced it can be

>>700944510
i wish it was super shallow
i played it when only about 500 chinks were playing long ago and they can get extremely difficult to win against.

>>700942626
Battlezone is on Sale again as redux expansion the red odyssey.
https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/6437/Battlezone_Strategy_Bundle/

>>700942937
I liked Space Tales. Never played They are Billions, it reminded me more of Starcraft 2.

>>700949031
played it long ago, the zerg faction had a unit that you can activate the skill of to spawn broodlings which you can do right before they get killed. balance seems completely whack and it's really soulless

>>700958170
I feel bad for the zoomers the moment they reach Mars on the NSDF campaign, and they need to learn how to multitask.

>>700958064
Global Conflagration?

>>700957686
>Annihilate the Spance
I was just about to try that one

>Loria
I'll take a look

>Crown of Greed - Majesty with less charm.
I liked Majesty ALOT. But less charm is a bit worrying.

Will check realms of Madness as well

>>700958204
Sure, space marines vs. bug/zerg. I meant more in the RTS/Tower defense hybrid gameplay.

>>700958170
>>700958330
Sell me on Battlezone, I actually don't recall seeing this before even though it's old.

>>700956426
thx anon, ill save my dollarydoos for dorf and keep playing 1 then.

>>700958378
It recently became headlines because of one of ACE's videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHRlpTY4gnw
Also the community is working hard to make a community patch for both 98 redux and CC
there is a ton of mods, a few community tournaments like the BZ2 happening right now, and modding for redux needs Kenshi's ogre plugin for blender for models

>>700958378
>Sell me on Battlezone, I actually don't recall seeing this before even though it's old.
Vehicle combat sim/RTS hybrid set in an alternate Cold War where the moon landing was a cover for secret solar system wars between the US and USSR.

>>700958664
>, and modding for redux needs Kenshi's ogre plugin for blender for models
>Kenshi
Wut lol?

>>700958712
neat

>>700957878
I played DoW (+ Winter Assault) once a long time ago but you're right I may as well give it another go. It can't hurt. I've played maybe <=5 RTS campaigns ever anyway.
For AoE2, DE was 40-110+ so I just put 40 as a guideline. Maybe something I play off and on, or save for near the end.

>>700958847
>For AoE2, DE was 40-110+ so I just put 40 as a guideline. Maybe something I play off and on, or save for near the end.
That's probably for the best. There's so much that you'll burnout if you try to power through it all straight.

>>700958746
Yeah, because redux uses whatever the version of ogre Mike Arkin shoved on top of the original game, and you need kenshi's ogre plugin editor for blender for it.
It doesnt take too long to understand how it works, there is a lot of good stuff made using it right now.

>>700958378
>I liked Majesty ALOT. But less charm is a bit worrying.
I think you will like it, just don't expect something as soulful as this
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZmPcKgD0dZU

>>700951196
multiplayer is usually 4v4 and 8v8 and aside from a few mouthbreathing retards who have been playing for 9000 hours while still raging in newbie lobbies people are generally helpful. the game is about efficiency. just try to be efficient and youll be able to compete.

>>700959037
>I think you will like it
Cool, will check it out then.

>>700958378
yes Global Conflagration.

>>700959274
Seems more like a wargame/rts mix, I didn't really get C&C vibes, specially since it revolved around control points.

>>700942626
>No DORF demo
What are they even doing?

>>700959739
teasing me but with no demo or release date, I'm not gonna be holding my breath.

>>700957142
>It's dlc but the demo lets you play the mission and it's less of a tutorial then the 1st humanity mission
Basegame I would recommend you play up to second/third proper mission before passing judgment. Santa Fe road I believe. You get thrown controlling end game sized army, juggling side objectives, enemy artillery and strong enemy convoys. It's about what you can except form the rest of the game in terms of difficulty.
DLC is a lot better paced and balanced.

>>700958664
>patreon begger
People posting or talking about these faggots should be shot and killed.

>>700960326
Faggots like (you) hopping unto a thread like a fucking bot over videos or links deserves to be conscripted into ukraine.

I’m looking for a game where you can set your army to fight and don’t need to intervene too much.

Best example I can think of is Warband with a good army. I let the battle go on while I do other stuff. Not too involved and I can pick it up as needed.

I tried to learn total war but it’s too involved

>>700960705
Auto battlers sound like the exact tag you want. Other anons earlier mentioned Mechabellum as a good auto battler.

>>700960705
The only autobattler I liked was Hero's Hour and it was way too hardcore for me.

>>700960850
>>700960909
Are they kinda like Warband where you develop an empire? I’ll look into the category. Best would be like a semi auto battler where you can step in if needed

>>700961078
Ah, that's a pretty different ask. Not quite sure what fits in there desu.

>>700942626
It's a shame that so many new announced indie RTS games have no release dates or demos. The development cycles are just too long due to small team size

>>700944410
It looks cool and the mechs go *fshow fshow* *bewm kapow*

>>700960909
Hero's Hour could have been great if it didnt look absolutely horrid. i appreciate literally everything but the visuals

>>700961267
Yeah it’s a bit specific. I was never good at pure rts or city builders. Forget about grand strategy. Only other one I’ve tried and liked was steel division 2

>>700961579
maybe you want the hommlikes or the 4xs

>>700961579
Steel Division 1 (normandy) is the game but slower, so that I can recommend.

>>700961942
I do like civ, I’ll look into other 4x types. I’ll take any idler type game recommendations too if anyone has any

>>700962304
I'd like to find a decent idle city/worldbuilder myself. I played with Microcivilization a bit but it's more click-focused than idle.

>>700962304
>I do like civ, I’ll look into other 4x types.
Masters of Orion 2 is my all time fav 4x. You can do battles that just auto-resolve or turn based battles (you can also order the AI to auto battle in the turn based mode). The turn based ship combat is good though, so at least give it a try.

>>700942626
anything like the starcraft 2 coop missions? pretty fun to level up commanders and try different strategies in unique scenarios

I never played these ones back in the day even though i always wanted to, how are the remakes today?

All the promising rts games haven't been released yet, or in early access...particularly DORF.

How about games like warno are they good? Also icbm, total conflict resistance, foxhole, freeman guerrila warfare

>>700962980
Foxhole is an MMO. For games like Warno, Steel Division is my recommendation, but apparently I'm kind of the odd man out for how much I like that particular game.

>>700962504
desu I feel DORF has just the visuals going for it. If it's good then good, if it's bad then fuck you with a rake.

>>700962980
regiments is nice singleplayer only thing
but I haven't played warno and only pirated it so can't really compare value-wise

>>700962980
>freeman guerrila warfare
Wasn't this one abandoned? But there is some spiritual successor I believe but forgot it's name

>>700963329
Yeah it's riding on vibes and style right now.

>>700963627
The reviews say it was abandoned. Either that or one of the others I listed was reviewed as Warband but modern which sounded cool

>>700942626
what should I buy what should I buy what should I buy what should I buy

>>700942626
Why is it when I look at the RTS sale, most of the games aren't RTS?

>>700966612
Because good RTS or RTS made with any sort of budget or competent are very rare so now they just throw strategy games now. Also lots of games do have their roots in RTS or gameplay elements are from RTS, like some of the tower defense hybrids or the real time tactics genre is similar in many ways.

>>700950663
hope we get a qt 3.14 lieutenant in the debriefings.

>>700966363
yes

>>700966864
I wonder if we'll ever get enough high budget games and polish to get FMVs back. I know they aren't exactly the most expensive things, but you need actors and makeup and lights and it is extra effort,.
But i'll take anything that has heart put into it, Dust Front does look cool.

>>700962409
Pretty good. Really they're just texture and resolution improvements to run on modern systems.
Other than that there are basically zero changes.

Wait if I have the entire Dawn of War series, 1 + 2, do the anniversary editions add anything?

Are there even any good co-op RTSs?

>>700968460
Beyond All Reason has two cool modes against AI enemies called the Raptors and the Scavengers. Lots of fun to get out of it

Are there any games that have a similar feel to myth? I'm not talking about the real time tactics, more about the physics and feed back. Units get hurt and stunned react to getting wounded. Explosions are incredibly damaging and scatter limbs all over the battle field, One of the things I find incredibly unsatisfying of most RTS is when 2 units meet and they spend about 8 second's chipping off hit points until one falls over.

Preferably fantasy combat games, Just don't care for the modern or sci-fi settings as much.

>>700969083
Don't forget the coop vs normal AI, they're competent too.

>>700971762
I wouldn't say it extends to the rest of the game but being the first to get the super heavy tank on the front feels amazing in BAR. The explosions have enough impulse to send units flying and you can wipe out the other team's army with just one tank, at least until they reach tech parity.

>>700971762
Company of Heroes (1) did it right
Dawn of War
BAR blows shit up all the time

>>700942626
Fucking based thread. Shill me on the best modern RTS games /v/

>>700973019
It's AoE2

How is Warno, I played the first wargame when it released like a decade ago and have they actually improved on the formula?

>>700974576
The controls are better
The interface is WAY improved
It's still the same thing really

>>700973019
Well I said I wouldn't talk about BAR so just kidding the best modern RTS is BAR. Besides that I've talked multiple times how I love Steel Division. But I gotta be honest, I have not played many RTS worth mentioning in many years, hence why I was making a deep dive to try out new games instead of just idly bemoaning the lack of RTS.

>>700943170
we musket chads are starving

>>700975082
>BAR
Is this the new age total annihilation?

>>700975762
Yes. Great visuals and the quality of life and controls are fucking sublime, wish every rts had a fraction of how great controlling armies and stuff feels in this game.

>>700942626
Power Play is weird as fuck. Factorio looking bastard RTS.

>>700951387
>What difference does it make?
You mean why does having a campaign make a difference?

RTS are funded through campaigns and coop modes while PVP is never a leading factor. That's why the BAR guys say it's not going on steam until the campaign is done.

is waronoi cool?

>>700976014
Final thoughts on Power Play: severely undercooked. I don't think putting a demo out right now is even a good idea. The game is based around expanding your logistics and sucking up all the natural resources, but if you are gonna make people set up logistics, this needs to be smooth and there is nothing smooth about power play currently.

What is the gayest RTS ever made? I need an expert fag opinion.

>>700949295
"comfy" fags unironically killed RTS

>>700977627
sweaty fags killed RTS

>>700968460
Red Alert 3, not sure online is still available tho, Dawn of War 2, Halo Wars, Total War Warhammer, Age of Empires 2 and SC2 of course

I'm sure you guys will hate this, but I personally am looking forward to this.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2302770/Space_Gears/

I thought stormgate saved rts gaming LOL

>>700976014
>BAR
Remind me. Total annihilation felt like it was very... Loose? StarCraft is very mathed out, right? X units of Type A beat Y units of Type B. Total Annihilation was kinda RNG? it was just like, higher tier units best lower tier units and more beats less?

Or do I just remember it this way because I played TA when I was like 9? How much mechanical depth is going on in BAR?

>>700977526
sc2, no contest.

>>700979160
TA was very macro oriented.
BAR is still very macro oriented, but also has strong micro and tactical elements.
Essentially more beats less (total resources of your troops vs. their troops) but also higher tech units are more resource efficiently and thus will beat their equivalent in lower tech, often many times over.
However there are more factors, where the micro comes in. Skirmishing unit efficiency drops off a cliff if you let them get caught or chased down, or they get hit by heavy artillery/rockets.
An infinite stream of trash will be reduced to scrap by the right high tier units with either rapid fire weapon or big AOE.
A single big unit is strong, but flanking is a thing in this game, so if they get surrounded, suddenly they are taking 100% more damage from the enemy.

So lots of room to rock paper scissors, tank, shotgun your enemies and use tactics to get more efficient trades. I would describe the combat as more simulationist, and projectiles can miss and units accuracy are a big part of the game.
But there are very few interactions like "x unit has a hard time hurting y unit because their damage type is bad against the unit type."
Sturdy units are just repersented by raw hp pools, only some very specific defensive buildings have damage resist, and even then only usually while in an enclosed modes (not attacking).

Also economy of course is radically different TA and BAR economies are infinitely scaling and you increase your resources at an exponential rate.
There is a lot of depth in BAR, definitely no issue there. Even the smallest thing like understanding tank mommentum and how long it takes them to change directions and the fact that while your super heavy Tzar tank is a beast, the turret turn rate can get you into a tough jam if you micro wrong.

I wish I could learn Steel Division 2. Too bad the game has a fuckton of expensive DLCs and the players are much better than the average noob.

>>700979901
I really love the Tzar as a unit, but I wish it was a better unit to use in big teams or at least in All that Glitters and Isthmus. In 1v1 to 4v4 is super fucking scary to watch it get close, but in open wide maps or more players they lose the armored advantage.
I still laugh at the unorthodox me sneaking and dropping from the air Tzars in a base. Hilarious shit

>>700982013
Yeah definitely not easy to use. But even in the big team games it has it's place, especially as a dominating tech rush unit.

anything good that runs on a 10 year old box?

>>700982314
Pretty much any classic rts, but if you mean new stuff, I have no clue. My system is not top of the line, but no new RTS is giving it a challenge. I kind of doubt modern RTS with any production value would run well on a 10 year machine.

>>700982314
Dawn of War?
Age of Empires 2
Starcraft Broodwar

Years of playing RTS games here are my recommendations of the somewhat modern RTS games I've personally enjoyed.

>PVP

>APM Intense
>Starcraft 2
>AOE2
>AOE4
>Age of mythology

>Not as APM intense
>BAR
>Company of heroes 2
>Northgard (has a solid amount of PVE content aswell)
>Mechabellum (more of an auto battler than an rts but without TOO much rng)
>Dune spice war (has a decent amount PVE content, be alarmed the online scene is pretty small)

>RTS games with good pve/campaigns

>Spellforce 3
>Starcraft 2
>AOE2
>AOE4
>Total war warhammer 3
>Total war 3 kingdoms

>Unconventional RTS (PVE)
>they are billions
>against the storm
>Stellaris (Pedantics are free to argue whether or not it's an RTS)
>cataclismo
>diplomacy is not an option

>Honorable mentions
>Sins of the solar empires 2
>Age of darkness (Has potential but needs some time in the oven especially for the co op)
>Zero-k

>>700942626
Tried out Platoon Commander. It's a real time tactics game. Very rough around the edges, clearly lots of work to be done, but, the gameplay kept my attention for just the two missions it had and it was definitely challenging, so if they can get it polished up, I would definitely play more. Heavy focus on scouting, concealment, managing lines of sight and getting the opening shots on the enemy. Your infantry feel out the enemy and hold the frontline while you manuver your tanks and crewed guns to shell garrisoned enemy infantry, or hopefully get the 1st shots off vs. enemy armor. Pretty classic combined armed tactics with a mix of open terrain, forest, and buildings.

My favorite rts is first COMPANY OF HEROES

>>700982554
Stellaris is more like the RTWP of RTS

>>700957559
Spellforce is peak

>>700982554
Good list, thank you for the contribution. What kind of campaigns do Spellforce and Northgard have?

>>700982403
M8, starcraft 2 is 15 years old.
You can play a lot newer games than fucking BW on a 10 year old machine.

>>700982772
You COULD play sc2 but why would you want to

>>700982554
What about Spellforce 1 and 2?

>>700982815
Wings of Liberty is a great singleplayer campaign and 100% free, so it's very easy to recommend to anyone getting into RTS.

Bought Men of War 2 and Ancestor's Legacy in this sale. Both are good and I'm surprised I've never seen anyone talk about either.

>>700982831
NTA but i think 2 kinda blows. 1 is peak though. But im biased and got to interview one of the like 12 devs

>>700982403
thats 25 year old lol

>>700982646
yeah CoH was peak, even their later games werent as good
we used play CoH with friends all the time, super fun

>>700982729
Spell force has a very story driven campaign that feels like an RPG in an RTS form. really nicely voice acted and well written. not something you see much these days in an RTS.

Northgard has a campaign which I personally did not find very great but it does have 2 different roguelite pve modes that are pretty solid and can be played in co op.

>>700983712
Thanks, good to know.

I tried tempest rising after being really interested in it as it looked like not C&C and I don't know what to say I mean they have 3-4 months and you can do a lot in that time but I'm not seeing what others are praising so much

The units all look super similar while also being kinda too niche but also not niche and situational enough?
Infantry sucks and groups up so much they feel like they contribute nothing
Things have either too much or too little hp, tanks die super fast while buildings take forever to destroy
The upgrades are also vague unlocks or small % filler nodes that you get and there's so many of them but at the same time i don't think i really want any of them? There is no "I REALLY WANT THIS" upgrade like there is in most games like it where you upgrade tech and unlock things so it just feels like something you click on
The game splits units into tiers but higher tier units might just be support units that also blend with the rest of them and tier 3 tanks are the same size as the T1 ones so you don't get that satisfaction when you see a mammoth tank that is bigger, louder, stronger

It is either too slow or too fast, the units and building and everything is so sluggish but at the same time you have to rush everything
Oh and the AI is retarded, how is it possible to fuck up something that was solved 20+ years ago

Bonus points
Unit cap sucks
Performance sucks, looks okay but does a game that looks marginally better than tiberium wars that ran on a 2gb card maxed out need upscalers and what not to run?
Visual clarity sucks

It's like the game is trying to be command and conquer red alert but they are missing what made those games fun while also falling for the "unique" gimmick trap most games fall into
I replayed command and conquer games 2 years ago and i instantly had fun and all the units were just intuitive and understandable visually even when clumped up

Disappointed, that's my score

>>700983836
They haven't improved anything since their shambles of a preview like six months ago.

Guys I just realized something about Dawn of War II and why it feels so much worse to play compared to the first game. It's the sound queues, the volume of the unit barks depends on distance.
This means you can only hear if a unit is getting killed if you are already looking at them. What is the point of having unit barks at that point?
It's such a retarded design decision that I completely overlooked it until now.
Company of Heroes sounds fine, why did they fuck it?

>>700984442
It didn't use to be. It was broken at some point and then never fixed. You need to crank voices to max and lower everything else to even hear unit calls.

>>700984309
that's fucking sad

>>700949785
There are campaigns for all races in 2 iirc so if you hate Guilliman and the smurfs you can blow him up alongside his ship

https://store.steampowered.com/app/235320/Original_War/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/25990/Majesty_Gold_HD/
Do yourself a favour and get these

I need a military RTS with good campaigns

>>700984309
>>700984663
It really is fucking sad
Man I was looking forward to that one
Maybe I should just boot up the old kane's wrath again that shit was fun

>>700984739
good taste. i only hate that majesty has the tendency to bug out

>>700983836
I don't really share these opinions at all after playing and frankly many of them are just confusing, I don't know how someone who played and understood the game could arrive at them. Infantry are super useful, there are bunkers and rocket infantry give early cost effective AT, the GDF have heal zones and disables, and capturing neutral buildings is very important. After I played a couple matches I knew what units are, I'd say the only thing that's unclear is some of the special support units the GDF has.
Some bigger tanks might be nice but the super tank for the Dynasty guys is literally a rolling sphere that is bigger then everything else, don't know how you can miss that.
Performance was great on my machine.
I'll say I don't understand the doctrines much, but I also haven't take the time to just sit down and read them (hard to do in the hustle and bustle of a match).
And I have no idea what you mean about the AI.

I find it interesting that Skylords Reborn is still going and even doing some content updates (like new maps and units) and balance changes.

>>700982772
>>700983017
WELL IM CERTAIN MY SUGGESTIONS WILL RUN THEN TY AND ENJOY

Why do broodwar players always shit on sc2?

>>700985231
Who cares, they're both black sheep of rts.

>>700984530
Well, now I regret buying it. This shit is nearly unplayable like this.

>>700985035
AI >>700984309 That and the constant grouping up where infantry units just enter one another and get blown up instantly
Might be a bug bit still

Performance wise look I think it will never be okay to have a 2012 or before looking game run worse than a 2012y game on 2022 old hardware
Can I run it? yes, do I have issues? Not really but it does not look good enough to require that amount of power like how the new dragon age somehow looks worse than inquisition but requires a 2024 PC to run it
Unreal is shit most of the time and devs are not capable of using it well and even if I can play it well enough it's still not acceptable in this day and age

For the units? It just might be that GDF has niche support units that are not worth really building, maybe one and that's it which makes half of the roster feel like there is no unit variety
The doctrines are something you have to sit down and read which sucks because you can't do that in a match but at the same time other games did that much better where you could just glance at something and read it instantly and say okay I want A and not B
Is it the text size? Is it the fact it has multiple upgrades that are % based or is it because it has shit that isn't clear enough for a new player? Who knows

I don't know the whole game feels like something you would get if you told someone what kind of a game C&C was and if they made something that felt off in every way
It's not for me which is fine, I might get it one day on sale beat the campaign if that's going to be good

I think 'They are billions' is a really good concept basically combining RTS with towerdefense

>>700985692
I never had a pathing issue with my units, in fact I consistently selected groups and just gave them a move commands, did other things, then looked back and found them fighting near the areas I sent them so idk.
Massed infantry have never been strong or a good idea generally in C&C so I don't know what that would change now. Between tank crushing, elite infantry killers, grenade aoe or flamers, yeah, vehicles dominate any mid/late game of C&C and this isn't different, but I still use them as valuable early game tools and later on as compliments to the rest of my forces.

>not acceptable in this day and age
If you mean this day of age where I expect most games to just run like shit, then I have no clue how that applies to this game. I'd say the only noticeable thing is the default settings are not good (100% max quality on everything and uncapped fps so your menu is running at 400 fps). Other then that, never had a single moment where game performance suffered in game.

The GDF has some harder to understand units and I've been playing dynasty since they are the cooler faction (not suprising the NOD styled guys with flamethrowers are cooler). Also there mobile harvesters are super strong. Doctrines just need a convenient place to read outside of matches so you can plan a bit. It's like, the stuff in Age of Mythology with the gods on aging up, but that's easier to handle since it's a much slower paced game and you only do that 3 times per match.

>>700986630
Try this

>>700987083
its shit gringo

>>700986658
Maybe it's not as common as it looked to me, I had tanks that went in circles and got stuck on trees and would bounce around not sure if they should turn left or right and tanks would stupidly rotate

I get it but I still think that 4K today being 1080p and having to run games on a 5090 at 30fps is not good
And as such games that look 10 years old or more should run perfectly maxed out without upscaling
That point is not as important but I always mention performance shit

I tried dynasty and they do look and feel cooler to play even if I'm still missing something with the units
Visual clarity probably won't change but the balancing will

anyone played this game?

>>700984309
>Tempest 2023.08.24
2023

What's the RTS that best mimics battles from the iconic series Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>700987537
What does that even mean, I don't watch cartoons

>>700987537
Stardust Exile

>>700987323
The co op is giga rushed and buggy and the fact that it's so rushed (only 4 waves lol) despite being the only addition and no balance changes for the 1.0 release gives me the impressions that the devs are cashing out before ditching the game.

It has potential to be a they are billions successor but with the pace they are going and with this terrible 1.0 release I wont get my hopes up.

>>700942626
Made some purchases. Maybe I'll play some tomorrow.

>>700984309
it's crazy to me that there still is no streamlined solution to unit pathing in RTS games, virtually every recent RTS game has had extremely wonky pathing issues, which is funny because blizzard nailed that shit even during warcraft 3 era.

>>700988291
Oh and this was in there too, don't know why it didn't show up.

>>700987537
Probably Homeworld.
It's the only RTS I know of that features genuine 3D movement in space battles.

>>700986630
It was honestly ahead of its time, crazy that there hasnt been that many games that tried to copy its formula with how good and natural it felt.
what the fuck even happened to the people that developed it?

>>700987537
Nebulous fleet command, falling frontier.

>>700988950
>Nebulous fleet command
you either didn't play nebulous or didn't watch logh, probably both
>falling frontier
vaporware

What is the most OP unit in RTS ever?

>>700990439
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh Prism Tank? Best I got

>>700984442
>and why it feels so much worse to play compared to the first game
lol yeah sure that's really going to make it "much worse to play" than the aged janky shit that dow1 is

>>700990685
>aged janky shit that dow1 is
it feels real fast and snappy to this day actually, mr masturbator

>>700991002
good for you, I find it very floaty and inconsistent

>>700990439
Bertha in TA

Sins of a Solar Empire 2 was disappointing

>>700950586
It's literally one dude's passion project and apparently he's been working on it for almost ten years now.
You can't really expect games like this to be finished quickly.

?

>>700993818
good fun picks, all games from Shadow tactics devs (F) are great honestly

Is there a single genre more dead than RTS?

>>700994637
Your social life

>>700990439
A lot of the RA3 Uprising units. They made game single player only so they didn't have to think of balance and just added crazy shit.

>>700995106
That doesn't exist so it can't be a genre

>>700995652
That is how it supposed to be, fuck pvpniggers and fuck balancefags, give me fun overpowered shit.

>>700996208
what was that card based RTS that EA made long ago? something forge or lords? that felt like having such big FUCK YOU units

>>700990439
Mangudai

>>700942771
>But the game just oozes “this thing was made fast and cheap” and I don’t see much reason to engage with it, I even if you were a Tohou fan. Certainly not if you are an Age of Empires fan.
Because it's the only decent MP cute RTS in developement. And I think it actually plays decently well, though it's of course a watered down version of AoE3.
The full version features 12 factions with lots of touhou characters, for people into rts and touhou then it's pretty good and there is no comparable game out there (age of ethanols is dead)

>>700996316
Battleforge? It's been officially shut down a while ago. Fans, apparently, made a server emulator and running the game as "Skylords Reborn"

>>700996934
AoE3 is getting a dlc this year and it has 5k concurrent daily.
If you think Touhou Empires is getting anything close to that you’re delusional.

>>700944410
You set up formations turn by turn to auto battle against the opponent’s formation each round and there’s a cool diversity of units and unit behaviors

>>700997996
>If you think Touhou Empires is getting anything close to that you’re delusional.
You are either illiterate or replied to the wrong guy because all I did was talk about how it's a cute niche game for touhou rts fans

AoE3 fucking blows. All units look the same and the only thing differentiating them is an arbitrary RPS counter system.

What is the scariest RTS ever?

>>700998379
how's AoE4?

>>700999134
even worse

>>700999134
AoE2 is best, okay????

>>700999441
It's pretty good, but I wish they would stop adding anachronistic shit like the Romans and Spartans.

>>700955812

Ignore the other anon. It's a real big leap this time. It's faithful to its predecessors but it does a lot more. 4th race coming soon, too.

>>700996934
>people into rts and touhou
Sounds like a niche of a niche, I mean I wouldn't expect weebs to be much into strategy gaming. Though the vast popularity of that universe and the sheer absurdity of making a game like that could give it some notoriety. It would be nice if it succeeded and inspired other devs to make animu strategy games.

>>700999441
I just wish I could change how camera drag worked in that game.

>>700999628
>romans
Represent the late WRE which is in line with the games timeframe (there are already Goths and Huns).
>Spartans
Were added in a Classical Antiquity DLC that’s separated from the base game. You can’t even play them (or the Athenians and Achaemenids) in anything but custom lobbies.

>>700998728

You just posted it anon

>>700942626
got myself a few games
most of these arent RTS, but rather RTT games or colony builders.
Once you play sup com, the "strategy" part changes other RTS games into just tactical spam clickers

anyway picked up planetary annihilation titans, hope its good, get some supcom vibes from it but clearly its more akin to total annihilation.

>>700997953
yeah that's it, might give it a try actually

>>700999134
It's better than 3. It's going to be better than 2 soon since Microsoft keeps pumping in dogshit gimmick civs and units that don't fit in 2.

>>701000149
>Once you play sup com, the "strategy" part changes other RTS games into just tactical spam clickers
retard

>>700999897
> It would be nice if it succeeded and inspired other devs to make animu strategy games
problem is that rts is very unpopluar in japan (makes sense considering PC market was/ still is historically very trivial)
I can see koreans making one but they are still gooning over BroodWar and it doesn't look like they will stop anytime soon

>>700998379
Filtered.

>>700959125
But I want a comfy campaign. I don't wanna sweat in an RTS game after busting my ass off at work all day. RTSfags are the sweatest too.

>>700999628
I just want to be a Roman...

>>701000424
>build spam units
>autistically click like a DOTA simulator to micro move them
vs
>play for an hour to engage in a 20 minute fight that was ended before it started

no I dont care about your meta, fag.

>>700987323
Yeah it's shit and nothing like TAB. The game is super anal about how you play too. You gotta go here, defend this, go there, escort mission, repeat.

>>701000484
>problem is that rts is very unpopluar in japan
This is a big issue knowing their devs dislike when their games are more popular abroad than on their home market. If a game has no chance of selling well in Nihon, they just won't make one.
>I can see koreans making one
Strangely enough, they don't really make RTSes, do they. There's Crossfire Legion, but it failed to take off.

>>701000537
Even though it's not an RTS, Total War is probably the best strategy game. I still dive back into Rome 2 & Attila here and there.
>>700998728
Attila Total War kek

Might I recommend Halo Wars 1 and 2 if yall are thirsty for RTS? Yeah I know
>console RTS lol
It's super simple but probably the last real RTS that came out. Starship Troopers Terran Command is pretty decent too.

>>700954284
>>700954065
+1 for Aliens Dark Descent. It's basically XCOM thou but an incredible game nonetheless.

>>700998728
It's not easy to set the scary mood when you're far away from the scary stuff while your expendables deal with it.

>hear only good things about Homwerold1 remaster and Cataclysm
>try them out
>realise I'm a brainlet and get stuck constantly
>power through but every mission feels tiring instead of engaging.
how do I gut gut?

>>700984435
Cavalry charges were still a thing in 19th century warfare.

>>701001653
For the remaster apparently there's a mod that disables the bullshit enemy fleet scaling.

>>700942626
10/10 thread, haven't been playing rts in years but i'll check tempest rising and drone

how is Empires of the Undergrowth?

>>701001653
Double check (or mb someone itt knows) if the unit formations were fixed in the official game or you still need a mode. Those are quite important for unit effectiveness and was borked at release, which lead to needlessly long engagement at best and completely broken units at worst

>>700950114
Its all in the slavic gene, a westerner could never

>>701001684
Or maybe last major RTS. Starcraft 2 killed the genre just like COD did for military shooters.

>>700942626
I WANT NEW RTS GAMES. WHERE ARE THEY?

>>701005075
Sanctuary: Shattered Sun and Industrial Annihilation are the only two I'm waiting for.

>>701005156
>Sanctuary: Shattered Sun
It's multiplayer only so don't care about it.

>Industrial Annihilation
That's a literal fucking scam. How gullible are you?

>>701005242
>It's multiplayer only so don't care about it.
I thought it had a campaign
>That's a literal fucking scam. How gullible are you?
Everything EA is a scam. It'll be ready be next year. Thank the coonsoomers for beta testing for us.

>>701005468
>It'll be ready be next year
No it won't. Its "demo" was a fucking joke. They didn't even work on it for a week and still they raised over million dollars for this piece of garbage. It's a scam.

>>701004701
he cute

>>700974576
>Warno
It's junk. There's some much needed QoL mechanics missing from Wargame series, but its overall a worse game. They went with semi-historical Divs/Brigades which eviscerated deck building and is really there to sell you DLC Divs that are 95% recycled units with maybe or two new ones that arent reskins.

Don't play Northgard it's fucking dogshit. The AI doesn't play by the rules.