>>700906443
Is it possible they might cancel it at this point?

>>700906556
Game is almost done and will attract chinks
There no reason to cancel it

>>700906443
I like Deadlock and Marvel Rivals and CS2

It inherits too much of what's wrong with nudota.
Plus everyone's ugly unless you're into bara.

>>700906443
>>>/vg/dlg
"Generals"—long-term, recurring threads about a specific game—should be posted in /vg/. This is not to say threads about specific games cannot be created on /v/, just that long-term, recurring threads belong in /vg/.

>>700907262
kys trannie

>>700906954
So was Hyenas before ES cancelled it after flushing over 500 millions USD down the toilet.

>>700906443
S

>>700906954
>will attract chinks
lol. chinks aren't playing this slop. rivals captured them

what happened?
you liked it 2 months ago

>>700908903
Zoomies are playing the new marvel game now till their streamers overlords tell them to move to the next game.

>>700908903
Actual answer from someone with +300 hours here. The game is honestly too mentally fatiguing when compared to other MOBAs or shooters. There's so much shit to keep track of and constantly think about, without any real downtime, and the skill ceiling is also insanely high, so there's always a feeling of "I am not playing as well as I could be doing" even if you are going 20-0.

I think the game genuinely needs to be dumbed down a little bit, because in its current state it is just way too much for the average person.

This thread in a nutshell.

>>700909059
TL;DR competitive players ruin everything.

>>700909063
seething

>>700906443
>forced ranked
S

>>700906443
It's gonna die because they are trying to make a competitive esport from the get-go instead of a fun game first.

it hasn't even been opened to the dumb dumb public yet

>>700908903
I simply dont want to memorize 500+ things just to play a vidya

>>700906443
S

>>700906443
Absolutely destroyed by Rivals.

>>700909063
>announcing reports
Don't forget to dilate.

>>700906443
S

>>700909059
Similar amounts of hours here. For me it's the whole schtick where guns are optimal, and there is almost no hero that is playable without gunning anymore. Abilities are more casual and goofy and thus more fun. However, it seems like they nerfed guns as of the latest patch, so maybe they listened to my feedback.

>>700909059
I 100% agree with this anon, just add a fucking casual mode I like the setting, characters and even gameplay but a 30 to 40 min match is tiring as fuck and requires a lot out of you.

>>700913928
>I like the setting, characters and even gameplay
wth is wrong with u

>>700914043
Nothing sister I just think for myself and make my own opinions.

>>700906443
No because it was genuinely really fun before the metas starting popping up.

>>700909059
>without any real downtime
Just played a game in oracle 2 holy shit my heart was racing a bit.

Ive never seen people more pissed they disnt get invites to the playtest than thos thread. Just beg for invites in the forum

>>700914245
Literally any multilayer game
That's why /v/ complains so much about 'flavor of the month', multiplayer games have a solid week of life before they get metaniggered to death and become a boring slog

>>700914245
>No because it was genuinely really fun before the metas starting popping up
so league then

>>700909059
I have the opposite problem, where I've played it for 300h and feel like I've developed ADHD. I can't play other games now because I get bored whenever there isn't constant stimuli.

>>700909059
Two teams clashing shouldn't be an utterly chaotic ADHD fest, the game makes LoL and DOTA look like some snail paced shit for old women in retirement homes. Some people will like that but it's a turn off for most.

>>700909059
Feel pretty much the same. Also despite people on here and ledditor creaming themselves about how "deep" the laning phase is, it's not that deep and it's also not that much fun.

Game would be more fun if it was just like battlerite or some shit with le wacky movement

>nearly every day for three months
you can't will a tortanic into existence anon, ask the shazamtrannies.

>>700908903
500h here the other anon is completely fucking wrong what happened was that the devs didnt listen to the players who complained about absolutely annoying shit like getting one shot behind a wall or how fucking boring it is to lane against some heroes they thought they could get away with just not listening well lo and behold the annoying bullshit gets people to quit

had absolutely nothing to do with "le too much shit" when bullet dance unstoppable haze was in the game for fucking months and then the devs nerf a hero thats been nerfed no lie since release thats what happened

Oh and not fixing matchmaking so you play 40 minute unwinnable matches

>>700909103
>muh competitive boogeyman
You casualcancertards would just leave to the next FOTM game after a month (which you did)

>>700909059
This is too true. Dropped the game a couple months ago. Might revisit after they add more stuff or just play every once in a while

>>700906443
Remember when valvetrannies gaslighting half the board to defend that big piece of shit and want to fuck a hideous gargoyle? Even Concord's catwoman was more fuckable than that gargoyle but valvetrannies took advantage of these threads to turn everyone into degenerates.

>>700909063
Average pcbro

>>700908903
I didn't though. My friends and I played like maybe 5 games and then uninstalled it

>>700906443
b-but i havent even tried it yet...

>>700917156
you're not missing much, unless you enjoy unpaid playtesting

>>700917191
welllll i did fall for PoE 2 EA..

Remove laning, remove denying, give characters actually fun guns, make multiple maps and gamemodes, remove stats on items so snowballing isn't a major issue (only keeping unique actives and passives, like improved duration, heart regen, actives, etc), remove NPC farming, give each hero talents that significantly alter abilities and have several options per tier, add more movement tricks and finally make all the women sexy

>>700908848
rivals slop is already creaking in the wind. the devs can't make a good patch

>>700907262
Post this in the 48 marvel threads

>>700906954
oh the game's done alright

>>700908943
The actual answer, all the other replies is just cope rationale that they somehow make their own decisions(they don't, desire is memetic, see Rene Gerard)

cheaterGODs actually won and killed this tranny game
I am proud that I cheated and never got caught and probably made tons of faggots and trannies (not hyperbole that was what I heard on the mic) ragequit this game.
At least in Marvel Rivals I can bully furries and trannies on voice chat if you do that in TroonLock you get muted.
Fuck outta here.

>>700917791
This is why Valve should stick to single player games

>>700906443
Turns out a shooter where the match is decided by who shoots the bing bing skittles better in the first 10 minutes is not fun to play

>>700916780
if you have 500 hours in this game then you probably have aberrant taste in games. if you enjoy this game then you probably have enjoyed other dogshit games like battleborn and monday night combat

you dont understand, it's the next best thing in spectator esports like dota and counter strike!

Funny seeing how it's already a rotting corpse after people have spent the whole summer trying to force it to be the new big thing with all their shitty meme and porn spam

>>700918397
I can't take the tranny briefcase seriously

>>700918397
Zoomercore

>>700907262
Good thing this isn’t a general, dumbfuck

>>700918935
Well yeah they've been releasing a lot of slop and dead games lately

The game's just not fun

>>700918657
It's too complex for normies. Nobody wants to play a shooter where you have to level up skills and buy shit every game.

>>700919092
Thankfully the remaining playerbase of inbred slavs is sophisticated enough to understand the game

>>700919061
It's enuchs not incels

Deadlock is quintessential chudcore

>>700917791
Holy based, thank you for your service

>>700919092
>It's too complex for normies.
Good, that's part of why I enjoy it.
Not every game is made for everyone to enjoy. There are too many moaning that this isn't their game instead of simply playing something else.

>>700909059
>>700916580
>>700916597
I have ADHD and 500 hours in this game. It’s honestly too stressful. When you queue for a game you’re signing up for 30-40* minutes of ball torture. Because of the farming and objective aspect there’s no down time and dying can be so punishing not only with the 30 second respawn time but the resource loss.

But I think what makes it even worse was how they implemented rankings. Introducing it in the first place was a bad idea but even worse they made it so you can only play ranked now. So after getting raped despite giving it 110% of your effort for 35 minutes you lose that rank you’ve sweated for. I stopped playing for a month, went back, fell from ascendant 1 to oracle 3.

Other games you can go in, play a 20 minute game where you just click enemies and then have some time to flank, chill, or hold a point, before clicking enemies. In Deadlock, losing feels awful because in other games you can still get kills with those flashes of skill or luck but in DL enemies that are mechanical better than you will also become statically stronger so it feels like you can’t do anything.

It’s too time consuming and stressful and losing is so brutal. Even games you win are a nerve wracking slog half the time, the other half is just a stomp

>>700919319
T. eunuch

>>700919061
>>Deadlock adds 4 new characters
keep me posted

>>700916780
Unironically this, though.
I keep seeing people say "you need to remember 500 things" but it's like... 30 generic stat stick items. 10 active items and then the champions.

Just because it's more complex than legoogly of laguugly doesn't mean it's actually hard to play.

>>700906443
I'll never understand the need to force Dota 2 style mob farming on a shooter. It just doesn't work.

>>700920694
Well it's a moba and not a hero shooter

>>700920807
Hero shooter or not, it's still a shooter.

>>700920901
It's a moba with hero shooter elements not the other way around

>>700906556
why not? it's not like there's people playing it anyway

They should have made a public beta a bit ago, now they have to compete with marvel rivals

>>700921864
It's still a shooter you retard there's no automatic farming button I have to sit there and shoot an immobile monster for several seconds at a time.

I got really good at the game (ascendant) and I hope it grows once it fully launches.

>>700921930
I don't know why you'd think trying to force it out faster because rivals is currently popular would be to it's benefit. Rivals is almost certainly in it's peak of popularity, why bother trying to siphon off people who are playing with a shiny new toy?

>>700906443
>trannylock flopped
Valvetrannies are all on suicide watch

>shitty "competitive" game
>but it doesn't have a ingame real money store
>dies
many such cases

they fixed some of the issues i had with the game in the previous update but i still think it isn't enough

>>700920027
It's a moba(chudcore) mixed with shooter(chudcore) made by valve (chudcore)

Continue to dilate

>thread reeks of samefagging
What results in this sort of mental illness

>>700918397
that right there is just ugleh

>>700918397
>guy is just blinking

if you watched dota you wouldn't get a single thing

>>700918397
deadlock is chaotic but it's not nearly as cluttered as some games that have come out and are currently popular

>>700921930
I don't really think there's a need to compete with a game that's nigh entirely chink botting.

>>700922581
League of Legends fags and the chinese.

>>700923430
that game will also never seen as a real competitive game, and deadlock has a small chance to be anywhere near dota or cs:go.

>>700923536
Oh no... you mean...
Deadlock won't be the cancer that everyone is sick of....? :(

>>700919815
i do think the main issue with deadlock, in terms of widespread appeal, is match length. Even if matchmaking was better, you're still going to be in a match for a solid half-hour at least. A cod match lasts like, 10-15, same with many other shooters on the market. if you want to play longer than that, you can just play 2 rounds, but here if you want to play shorter than 30 minutes, you're shit outta luck.
i personally like the high skill ceiling, it gives me a constant feeling of 'i'm getting better', and it makes the really high level matches interesting to watch, but that won't work on a widely casualized public who need things spelled out for them. counter strike has a relatively low skill ceiling compared to deadlock, and it's still too much for lots of people.
i like the game but it's gonna be a cult game at best.
at least the porn will be nice

>>700924223
>spoiler
unless you like ivy you're pretty much shit out of luck on that side of things

Way, way too stress inducing, 200 hours in and it makes me feel like having an aneurysm, and I'm a seasoned dotard so it's not that the systems are familiar to me.

>>700909059
>>700919815
Try playing 1v1 rts if you want to experience real stress.
The game died because the devs are absolute braindead retards who screw up matchmaker and destroyed the quality of the matches TWICE, the second time was right after we managed to stabilize from the first fuck up. The game just couldn't recover a second time.

t. Ascendant with 400h who dropped the game soon after ranked mode deletion

>>700916727
Is this what "winning" looks like to you, sister?

>>700917597
>the devs can't make a good patch
reminds me of the deadlock devs

>>700908903
it's 80/20 moba/hero shooter
the hero shooter part is really fun
the moba part is extremely not fun
they need to drop it to 50/50 or maybe even 20/80. also comptard balancing like all games means as time goes on allowed fun decreases

>>700924036
TF2 was designed as a casual fun, and trying to tard wrangle it into a competitive sport killed it
Dota and CS2 were designed as competitive sports first and foremost, and Deadlock is basically Dota 3D

>>700925215
deadlock has improved and hasn't even hit open beta yet. rivals has only gotten worse since the beta.

i'm not really invested in deadlock since im not much of a moba fan outside of occasionally playing with friends. but it has more long term potential than rivals does.

>>700925396
>deadlock has improved
Lies.
Deadlock got worse and worse with every patch starting from shiv release.

>>700909059
they need to add a casual game mode where you can just turn your brain off and TDM with level 1 characters and no items.

>>700925352
>Dota and CS2 were designed as competitive sports first and foremost,
Dota 2 maybe, but Dota as a whole is over 20 years old.

>>700925562
Obviously talking about Dota 2, the reason it exists is Valve devs playing allstars competitively in their office

>>700914167
Holy GAY

>>700909059
Yeah, the game is just pure stress. Even rts games don't stress me out so much because at least there I don't have teammates breathing down my neck.

post em

>>700925130
>playerbase stabelizes at over 10k
Bitch faggot i play mobas with 200 concurrent players deadlock is doing fine

>>700917057
Your skin is brown thoughever

>>700926626
It's not going to stabilize at 10k, retarded ESL.
It's a stable -40% every month. It's going down to 0.

>>700906443
this is the one game that actually has an accessibility problem

>>700906443
i am withholding my spit for either the official release or the official cancellation, whichever comes first.

>>700908903
imagine playing TF2, but because the soldier on the other team was more efficient at doing repetitive, autistic busywork for the last 20 minutes he's armed is the gigafucker 40k, while because you had the temerity to waste your time engaging with the enemy, you have a water pistol.

then imagine there's another 20 minutes of getting fucked in the ass by him before the game actually ends.

you have to either be a factorio tier autist or sadomasochist to play this shit.

>>700906556
It dipped down to 7,000 players earlier today, they might as well cancel it. Artifact had more players at a similar time in its lifespan.

I've been looking for a match for over 5 minutes

>>700925538
>They need to add a version of the game that doesn't have 30 minutes of grinding baked into every match before you can actually start playing the game (or get fucked because you were grinding suboptimally before the game started)
Yes.
I get I'm talking to the ASSFAGGOTS community, but YES.

>>700925396
rivals will literally die the moment normie streamer stop playing, so around GTA 6 is out. It's literally the most casual slop imaginable.

>>700929291
Rivals is already dead.
Among my 1000 person friends list, it's barely pulled 300 collective hours.
It's pretty obviously being botted.

>>700906443
Who spends their time making sure there is at least one thread on this god forsaken board complaining that a game who has not even been officially announced by its studio is dead because it's not in the top player counts? Also of course no one mentions in this threads that Valve is entirely absent from office for both December and January because why would they.

I just don't like last hitting and until they get rid of it I will not play

>>700906954
>and will attract chinks
LOL They're all playing Marvel Rivals, ask me how I know (my ex is spending a shit ton of time in that ASSFAGGOTS).

>>700925396
>deadlock has improved
kek. Deadlock was way better 10 months ago.

>>700922065
Your game is actually dead and on pure maintenance while Riot keeps baiting people to pay for skins made by indians while their work on their Destiny 2 copy MMO.

Assfaggots and shooters just don't mix very well.

no

>>700906443
S
Go work on dota Gaben

>>700929732
yea, one takes skill and makes you a millionaire if you're good at it, the other one doesn't.

>>700906443
How about you stop playtesting for free, you mud.

why would you change your key binds to s for actions?
where do you bind your walk back key?

I don't like mobas but I'd just rather play a moba than a frankensteined game. More relaxing.

>>700906443
Your skin is brown if you hate this game.

>>700923356
I wouldnt understand any of the abilities but I could get a general idea of what's going on thanks to the overview camera, same with sc2

I played deadlock for 20 or so hours and still dont know what the FUCK is going on in the webm

>>700928720
but this is what the dotards like
hots eliminated the shitty farming aspect and they hated it

What killed it? I personally don't play mobas but it looked like a pretty decently made shooter, and I remember people were obsessed with it for a month or two.

>>700930775
dotards like playing top down clicky ARPG-alikes where this sort of repetition and scaling imbalance is baked into the genre. i enjoyed dota 2 when it came out.

those mechanics don't translate to flopcock at all. it just feels awful.

>>700929532
>Dotashit 2 dead and irrelevant
>CShit 2 dead and irrelevant
>Dota underflop dead and irrelevant
>Shartifact dead and irrelevant
>Trannylock dead and irrelevant
Valvetranny cope

>>700930885
ranked mode splitting the fanbase, the devs deciding to settle on haze spamming bullet dance as a hard win condition, stopping the steady flow of new heroes in official matchmaking (I know they just released a big batch but people prefer the bi-weekly drop)

>>700907021
Why did they ruin Dota? It's not the same Dota I loved from WC3. Techies isn't techies

>>700906556
I was one of the people who was really cynical about this game and even I didn't think it could reach that point.

>>700922065
>posting LoL the HR game
How're your female champs? Enjoy nidalee not having mating season and leblanc be le epic boss girl with 0 tits showing? Le Blanc is a literal self insert of a female riot employee.

>>700930775
hots died because blizzard focused on overwatch shit instead of hots.

>>700909063
Uh oh, careful anon! Don't announce your reports! You might actually get banned for it. Have you considered spamming the board with doomposts about a game you dislike every single day for months with no other intention than to spread fear, doubt, and uncertainty like babby's first propagandist? That seems like a much better use of your time, and you won't get banned for it.

>>700932506
I like current Dota a lot, they just have to tone down the objectives and HP/burst powercreep.
FUCK techies btw

>>700931495
>Look at how many chinks we can get to meat bot our game instead of playing it
Look up the Steam hardware statistics, dumbass. Dota 2 and CS2 are still on life support because of third-worlders and chinks playing those dogshit games.

>>700909059
Yeah, the game feels really stressful and has an absurdly high barrier of entry. I like it, but i dont see it being super popular

>>700932764
>anon deludes himself into spouting "it's just a beta" unironically
Do you not learn from history?

>>700932668
>Dotatranny thinks he has any ground calling other game woke
>When Valve literally is the biggest Sweet baby inc client
Now post a single attractive female character from your tranny game, Dotacuck.

>>700933125
The hardware survey that everyone knows aren't useful as a metric anymore because the Chinks bot them to misrepresent themselves as being a larger portion of the steam community than they actually are?
Those hardware surveys?

>>700933249
If you think left is better you are likely actually going to troon out.

>>700928720
>was more efficient at doing repetitive, autistic busywork for the last 20 minutes he's armed is the gigafucker 40k, while because you had the temerity to waste your time engaging with the enemy
That's the entire point, it's a child of Dota, a strategy game at heart. Macrogame strategy is the core of the game, and its heart is resource optimization. Every player needs to be a oiled gear doing their part in maximizing their team's resources and how they're distributed amongst their teammates based on their character. If you waste your time chasing fight after fight you will lose, the anti deathball and pro-comeback mechanics are intentional design (killing a more farmed enemy gives you more resources for example to assist comebacks)
For the exact opposite where you have zero macrogame focus and it's all microgame you have league, where the winning team is rewarded with buffs to win harder, there are no denies or macro strategies, and whichever team gets first blood by epic skillshot combos wins because the enemies concede 7 minutes in

>>700933172
How is not a beta, anon? Because it's quite literally only the retards in these threats that insist it isn't a beta.

>>700916806
>would just leave to the next FOTM game after a month
Except every FOTM shooter game that comes out is trying to appeal to competitive faggots. You niggers ruined the genre.

>>700933383
>If you think left is better you are likely actually going to tro-ACK!
typical valvetroon cope

>>700933249

41% yourself retard

>>700909103
It's impossible to play Deadlock casually the same way you can't play Dota 2 casually, even meme arcade modes, they filter a lot of people

>>700933370
>ummm valve website is hecking lying and not trustworthy
>b-but Dota 2 and CS2 p-player c-counts are totally legit and not full of botted accounts and third worlder chinks and pajeets!!!
I accept your concession

>>700933249
>>When Valve literally is the biggest Sweet baby inc client
They hired them to consult on one game that they have now cancled, Underlords. You faggots will just make up whatever you want. You literally pick your version of reality, it's fucking sad and a little scary.

>>700906443
All you need to do is kill the retarded dota farming aspect (or have it be it's own "objectives" mode) and then have the game be a straight 12v12 deathmatch old TF2 style.
I'd play the fuck out of that.

I actually really liked the game but the fact I am playing with people who have made it their fucking job is a bit nuts

There is no way this game will ever be casual which is why I think it will fail.
Everyone is freaking out about Spider-Man in Marvel Rivals when basically every hero in Deadlock can move like that and it's considered basic movement.

>>700933701
Poo in the loo, Abdul Rajeet Ismail aka Icefrog (the creator of Dota 2)
>>700933767
>They hired them to consult on one game
That doesn't explain Trannylock's ugly female character design. Oh right, this must be because Valve is a DEI woke slop tranny company, I forgot.

>>700933961
>holdover model from the previous sci-fi game
you're not even trying at this point

>>700933503
Well for a start the problem isn't whether it's not a beta or not. It's that a game leaving beta isn't a magic wand that suddenly makes people want to play a game. It's not like it's a lack of polish or bugs that's keeping people from wanting to play this.

Dunno why I'm having to explain this to you, it should be obvious. "It's just a beta" became a meme precisely because it's widely recognised cope from people defending a bad game that was in beta which remained a bad game when it released.

>>700933249
easy now post actual ingame from your mobile looking trash game or can you not deny that? KEK

>>700933762
>ummm valve website is hecking lying and not trustworthy
The hardware survey aren't as reliable these days because of chink botting, but you can get useful information from them.
This isn't an issue of Valve specifically misrepresenting the data they were given.
I'm not going to deny the original DOTA 2, and CS2 may have some degree of botting, but you'd be a completely retarded nigger to pretend what is ostensibly the original games that much of the current slop flooding the multiplayer scenes secretly have no players because
>OH MY SCIENCE, THERE'S NOT AS MANY PEOPLE WATCHING IT INSTEAD OF PLAYING IT
Or, again, taking the metrics from youtube/twitch at face value when they're advertising/influence peddling platforms first, and what they're pretending to be (a video hosting and live streaming website) as a complete afterthought.

>>700933961
>That doesn't explain Trannylock's ugly female character design.
And I was never trying to. I was correcting something factually incorrect that you said and pointing out that you have a very loose grip on reality where you just make up things you think are probably true then tell yourself they are facts. That is all I was doing and you are having trouble coping with that precisely because you have a loose grip on reality and just make up how it is.

>>700933807
You can't really remove the itemization aspect, since characters have wildly different power levels at equal farm (hence the support/carry/hard carry split)
They may add some meme preset modes like ARAM from LoL, if you just want to brool

>>700934054
>SAAAARS U BENCHOD MADDER BITCH DO THE NEEDFUL NOT POSTING THE TOTALLY FAKE IMAGE MODEL!! I RAPE U NOW!
It seems like Valve employees are doing their scheduled unpaid overtime defending their poo in the loo dead moba game.

>>700934446
You absolutely can, as you'd just have a level of power up front to somewhat match other's upfront power.

>>700934180
>rerun the second most valued arcanas in the game
>WR at 42% winrate
What is Valve thinking

>>700917703
Lmao

>>700934180
>Using a paid cosmetic as a cope to hide the fact that his dead game's """female""" characters designs all look like trannies
Least disingenuous Dotajeet shill LMAOOOOO

>>700925047
>1v1 RTS
Example? Also, the 1v1 stage of the game “laning phase” is honestly my favourite. I think relying on one’s own skill with a greater focus on micro than macro suits me more .

>>700934632
post actual ingame, queen looks like that ingame your shit doesn't.

>>700934579
Poo in the loo sars

i didnt like motionsickness 3rd person moba when smite did it and i certainly dont enjoy it when deadlock does it with even more shit going on, visuals and gameplaywise

>>700934812
Smite had no verticality, it was just a gimmick, like playing over the shoulder Dota. Deadlock makes me want to take amphetamines

>>700934698
Are you retarded? That LoL 3D character model is ripped out straight from the game.

https://modelviewer.lol/model-viewer?id=25000

>>700930775
HotS had shitty lol tier combat and thus i didn't like it.

Valve will turn Yamato into a Psylocke copy.

>>700934960
>enemy Lina floating through the treeline to my safelane with aghs and arcane rune min 6
thank you Jesus

>>700906443
QRD? I got bored of the game and haven't played in months. Why is everyone bailing on this? Can anyone who actually plays this tell me what's so wrong with it?

>>700933807
Yeah, same here probably.
>>700934446
If the alternative is the game dying for good, it might be worth a try lol.

>>700935664
ranked babies demanded ranked mode and then immediately coped about their terrible ranks and left. Now every game is ranked causing ladder haters like me to leave because I can't hide my rank.

Last patch was really fun too but I can't play more than one game in a row because of that stupid rank.

>>700934960
There is still no ingame screenshot, buddy, how hard can that be? Ingame not in your model viewer retard.

This game would legit be better if they remove all the jungle creeps and just keep the lane creeps to streamline the objective more.

>>700930885
people realizing the importance of farming instead of fighting is what killed it

Does anyone else NOT like the aesthetic of the game? That old time look just doesn't do anything for me, and the characters feel very boring compared to Dota

>>700934219
>This isn't an issue of Valve specifically misrepresenting the data they were given.
Big mass of cope over here KEK

Didn't Black Myth Wukong literally break the Steam chart record for the most played single-player game on Steam? Who do you think plays that game? It's funny how much of a braindead room temperature IQ shill you are. Dota 2 and CS 2 are literally infested with Peruvians, Chinese, Indians, and third-worlders. There are no white peo—let me reiterate that—there are NO people from the FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES who would willingly touch or play those games. 90% of the player base are bots. Valve knew this and doesn't care to put a stop to it. Just like what Valve did with TF2 until YouTubers and people started calling Valve's bullshit out.

>>700936617
I have to agree. People will ignore everything just to farm.

>>700936748
I like it fine and think it'll look better with more finished graphics. I like the little creeps being candle guys who burn down with their health. I think 1920s + high magic is neat.

>>700936748
I have no idea what the aesthetic of the game even is because it's still mostly placeholders.

>>700935664
Ranked exposed the flaws of the game
People getting bored in general
Marvel Rivals killing every single TPS on the market

>>700918316
that MNC shade was uncalled for take that back

>>700935439
If only Valve were smart enough to do that.
Geist is the 'sexy' character of the game and she wouldn't even be considered coombait in any other hero shooter.
Yamato will probably end up looking like this.

>>700917057
Their response to this image was to deflect to placeholder assets, like anybody was referring to the hat and not the fat El Goblino beneath.

>>700936869
Anon, I get you're literally retarded, but you do realize black myth wukong being botted to all fuck by chinks doesn't actually prove nobody's playing Dota 2 or Counterstrike and it's all botted?

>>700936748
I think the aesthetic is fine, or at least will be if/when it's finished.
But I agree most of the characters are rather boring, even with some refinement most of them aren't going to be that interesting.
That's part of why people locked onto Abrams, Ivy, Dynamo and Seven so quickly and forgot about most of the others.

>>700937027
The face is scuffed but I don't mind the Crazy 88 angle they were going with on this and some of the others.

>>700937134
Also the TF2ber "nobody is playing TF2" shit was clickbait shit that required you to literally forgo any number of completely rational questions as to why TF2 would have 50k people botting it to sell items to nobody.

>>700934632
>literal bikini armor > no cleavage mornocleavagana
>muh graphics
k

>>700936213
You're literally posting a 3D model of your tranny hero wearing a shitty cosmetic skin while standing on a shitty, shoddily made royalty-free image of a circling black cloud. That's not even in-game. I swear Dotapajeets are the biggest and most disingenuous, feces-gobbling, single-digit IQ, troglodytes on the internet. Poo in the loo, Rajeesh.

>>700906443
At least I had fun when it was still a closed beta.
It's surprising just how fast icefrog could fuck it up with 'balance,' changes.

>>700937263
>Valvetroon admitting that he loves his manfaced tranny character design
like clockwork

>>700906556
it's valve they could cancel at anytime

>>700937242
>why TF2 would have 50k people botting it to sell items to nobody.
The TF2 economy is held up by ~100 gigatraders that hoard items and ration supply.
Also, the unofficial TF2 economy is a major way of cashing out of Steambucks and doing unofficial trade with other games, Dota items for example are often gifttraded for keys

>>700936748
>Does anyone else NOT like the aesthetic of the game?
The actual setting (occultist early 20th century NYC) is great and it's baffling they managed to switch to such a good idea from Neon Prime of all things.
Don't like a lot of character designs though

>>700937603
>He actually believed the nonsense that people "launder" CS:2 items with TF2 cases
Well, at least you've made it clear that it's a waste of my time to try and have a discussion with you.

>>700937831
>believed the nonsense
I bought a bunch of Crownfall cache sets for keys just a few days ago, because they're untradable and it's a better deal than eating paypal fees

>>700908943
Weren't you retarded mutts saying the same thing about Deadlock a couple months ago?

>>700937134
>This chinese game is clearly botted however this somehow doesn't actually prove that Dota 2 and Counterstrike are being blatantly botted because of uhhhh I just said so
Use your common sense, Prakeesh. It's been proven many times that it's easy to bloat any games on Steam with bots. It's been done with TF2, that banana NFT game, etc. What exactly makes Dotashit 2 and CShit 2 special from not being botted? Literally nobody knows these two shitty games even exist. Arcane literally puts LoL in the normies chart. There's even a Jinx and Vi skin on Fortnite.

Now compare that to your non-existent, botted, valvetranny games that have zero presence everywhere, not just on Twitch, but also YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Google Trends, Rule34 sites, and literally every social media. It's very clear that Dota 2 and CS2 are botted to hell. Hell even 4chan /lolg/ thread on /vg/ is more active than dotashit 2 video game general. Cope harder.

Cs 1.6/source
Tf2 and garrys mod are the kings of valve multi-player
Everything else sucks

S

>>700936748
Yeah, it all looks like shit. Something only jeets could love.

schizo rule when

>>700918397
I'm a zoomie and I have no clue how people my age range love this garbage

>>700938613
I can guarantee you zoomers don't play mechanically intensive dota clones

>>700909059
This anon is right. I absolutely adore the game, but it suffers from the same issues Dota does - it takes too long, and it's too mentally taxing. To compare it to a similar game that came out recently, Marvel Rivals is way less mentally taxing and rounds end quickly, so you don't feel like you're losing a whole lot. You can easily make the game go quicker with simple changes like cutting all of the item costs, but in the end, Icefrog has his visions for games, and while he has some great ideas, they're normally implemented in ways that are detrimental to a larger audience.

At this point, the Deadlock name is dead. Valve had something good going, but they made some amateurish mistakes like queue splitting, ranked games, and making it too accessible via friend's list invites, meaning people burned out quicker. I want this game to succeed but god knows if it will, they need to make some major changes.

>Developing game
>It's amazing
>"Hey let's get some player input"
>6 months later the game is shit
The best thing Valve could do right now is shut it down, disappear for 2 years, then come back with a completely finished product with all the models finished and carrot-on-a-stick aspects for the zoomers. Every balance change they've done and every time they've listened and taken player feedback has been diasastrous.

>>700906443
This game is way more fun then Marvel Rivals

>>700938827
Yoshi liked one of my forum posts and two of my suggestions made it in the game
Not saying which ones.

>>700938785
>they're normally implemented in ways that are detrimental to a larger audience.
Yeah, that will never happen, Dota only got more complex with time, and he never added a concede mechanic, they don't give a fuck about simplifying for lowest common denominator.
If there's a game where "too demanding" is an argument, I'd give it to Deadlock

>>700938919
Well you're part of the problem.
I don't even know if this game is ever coming out though. Feels like there's a skeleton crew as the dev team. Dota players like to bitch that all the dev time went to Deadlock when Dota got way more content updates and work done on it in 2024 than Deadlock did.

>>700909059
It doesn't help there's a lot of intentionally unintuitive shit put into the game for the sake of elitism.

Movement is good but even parts of it could be slightly simplified and take some of the fatigue and timing out of repetitive inputs to do simple things like dash-jumping.

>>700938881
But you need a brain to play it, which is why Rivals is much more popular

>>700939103
>a lot of intentionally unintuitive shit put into the game for the sake of elitism
examples?

>>700939072
>Dota got way more content updates and work done on it in 2024 than Deadlock did.
They extended Crownfall AGAIN, last major patch was six months ago, last letter patch almost four months ago, two heroes were delayed and their kit still unfinished, no news on new patch.
At least they announced TI haha...

Not gonna lie I miss my nigga line and his voicelines

>>700939227
I miss his old lines, like Haze that got massively downgraded, then the downgrade only partially reverted

>>700939298
>we changed the ult teamfighting carry into a single target, evasive, invisible, high damage pick assassin
>so now she MUST sound like Phantom Assassin
bravo icefrog

>>700919815
Its kind of been a thing where games die once they impliment a ranked mode. Someone analyized the player retention of Armored Core 6 and found that after the small spike the update caused, players left the game.

I noticed when Deadlock added ranked, it felt like the decline sped up. I think the same happened with TF2 even, but don't know. Personally I just don't like the stress of ranked and knowing its there makes me feel oddly obligated to play it or my effort doesn't matter or something. It's weird.

>>700932831
nah it died cause it had zero depth and the character fantasy often didn't translate to gameplay in a fun way.

>>700906443
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.

>>700937976
i hate all this trash they let into the game

>>700939501
I wish she sounded like PA, PA has a lot more playful lines and her accent makes her sound a lot cuter.

>>700939595
They focused on overwatch thinking it would be the next cs while neglecting their real games.

>>700906443
I got an alpha access to this game but have not once launched it.

>>700938451
never, considering most of them are jannies.

>Valvetranny latest slop flopped
>Valveshills goes on a meltdown and defends their slop 24/7
every time

>>700939774
Arcana PA sounds better than default PA

>>700939841
you just repeat the same thing without developing. I told you exactly why it failed.

>>700940032
I agree.

Salvage it by restructuring it from a moba to literally anything else

abrams single player detective game with ivy as his plucky young sidekick

>>700940221
Make it a ratchet and clank platformer shooter starring Ivy.

gargoyleniggers get the rope

>>700940221
what new trendy genre is going stale right now?

>>700939574
this sounds really interesting, do you have a link to this?

>>700940572
Battle royales

>>700940421
Rope used to ride big gargoyle wife to sunny days and smiling seas

This thread reeks of samefaggotry

>>700940664
>antishilling thread is really inorganic
You don't say?

>>700939574
Marvel Rivals launched with ranked and its growing every week.
Deadlock is simply a bad game that doesn't want you to have fun, but that's expected of all mobas.

>just release my man trapper
he's literally all I need to play the game more

>>700940421
Valve should have went all in on Ivy's popularity
As things are now, the game still doesn't even have a model for the second monster girl character they decided to add in response.
They're more interested in recording dialogue for Holiday getting blacked.

>>700929525
the game feels roughly the same to me it's just that everyone has gotten a lot better. you used to be able to chill and powerfarm all the neutral that 90% of players would ignore to get super fed then just run around killing people
>>700939167
wall jumps and heavy melee letting to climb shit while saving dashes
any weird tech you can do to conserve dash momentum between jumps to go insanely fast across the map
urn touching to prevent dropoff point from moving
midboss heavy meleeing a rock
the insane number of overpowered tech active items that completely counter x y and z hero and i can never remember what any of them do or what the status effect looks like when it's applied to you

>>700940846
I just want them to give wrecker a model and release him, he's already basically done kit wise (Wrecking ball isn't janky as shit to use)

>>700941165
>>700939103
>anti-walljump/bunnyhop
no fun allowed
heavy melee cancelling should be neutered though

>>700916806
This, casual tards have incredibly short term, impulsive memories and just play whatever is on Tik Tok the most

>>700917057
true, the fucking spic gargoyle was disgusting as fuck
but coomers gotta coom so they NEED to lewd something, just like the absolute retardedness that is loli pugna

>>700937124
...the bottom image literally is a placeholder. though?
They have multiple heros in testing that reuse other heros 3d models too.

>>700940843
NTA but thats because it LAUNCHED with it, people are able to set their expectations up front. You don't let people get use to an environment without it and then rug them with it's introduction later in the game.
Ranked fundamental changes the ask from the player and the culture around the game. If you add it after the fact it water and oil.

>>700944267
okay and deadlock hasn't launched at all

>>700944240
They aren't saying the problem was that it was a placeholder.

>>700944414
Oh come on. You've got peeks of mid 5 digit players on at once, something that even AAA often don't do, and getting a key is as easy as a google search.
Its fucking launched all but in name. Quit taking the dick of their marketing department.

>>700944436
???
He's literally trying to call the right answer a 'deflection'.
The bottom model from Deadlock is something you can only see by messing around with console commands. It has no animations, no voice, and was confirmed to be a vague concept from Neon Prime.
That image is just using false information to ragebait.

>>700937124
>singing fat lady viking trope
God I fucking hat slop enjoyers on both sides of the aisle. Nigga it's a fucking mean

>>700944591
Congratulations, you got baited.

>>700944001
>loli pugna
You wouldn't get it

>>700944525
Mindbroken by a beta

>>700944820
So no actual argument, just meme phrases.
Come on anon, you're better then that. Or not.

>>700906443
i played this shit for maybe 10 minutes then uninstalled it. idk it's just not for me.

>>700906443
ppl who quit their day jobs early trying to be content creators for this game looking for the big bucks have gotta be losing hair right now lmao
>>700908903
I liked that one short fun moment where everyone managed to get an invite via streamers and news articles, and just played it like a traditional hero shooter ignoring objectives and farming much to the detriment of mobafag players. But now that ppl have realized what it is, its only played by sunk cost fallacy types and elitest mobafags, i.e this >>700909059

>playing it when it was popular
suffering
>playing it when it's dying
everything chill everybody talks in comes, reminds me of Red Orchestra where everyone was an OG on a mic

>>700945480
>and just played it like a traditional hero shooter ignoring objectives and farming much to the detriment of mobafag players
If you play it like this then an actual dotard will fuck you up

>>700945652
thats why he stopped having fun

>>700939103
I'm just amazed at how much of the keyboard the game managed to take up. I remember when I first heard that the hero abilities were bound to the number keys that it was just some weird default setting that the devs couldn't be assed to improve but then you actually play the game and find out there literally wasn't a better place for them. All the WASD adjacent keys you would normally use were already fucking bound to something.

>>700944950
No amount of shrieking marketing or cope or whatever will change the objective fact that this is an unreleased game.
Shazam lost.
Tortanicfags lost.
Sharty lost.
Uncle Dane lost.
Move. On.

I still play it daily, the lack of cosmetics, big gooners beasts etc etc is really pleasant. Just a simple moba shooter. You don't need to be a genius to enjoy it

>>700908903
Honestly the secret club aspect to the community added to the experience

dota kept grewing even in beta, this slop already catered and worst of all is unlike dota this slop is releasing in a post-tiktok era where everything older than a month is ancient, it's unironically over for deadschlock

>>700945480
>ppl who quit their day jobs early trying to be content creators for this game looking for the big bucks have gotta be losing hair right now lmao
I remember reading some comment where someone said they were embarrassed to be one of the people talking shit about the game and they're now glad to be playing the latest "most fun to be had online".

I had wondered whether they were going to end up being embarrassed to have called it that a few months down the line.

>>700945797
>Shazam lost.
Nigger cyberpunk was a total trainwreck.

>>700945797
Bro, I don't want this game to fail, it has some neat things going for it mechanically, and has a nice amount of vertical travel which is non existent in a lot of games anymore.
I only stated that the game is effectively released in all but name, and how ranked modes can cause issues due to it attracting an often non-overlapping audience from non-ranked.
Genuinely, get off the internet for a bit and get a fucking grip.

>>700909059
>I think the game genuinely needs to be dumbed down a little bit, because in its current state it is just way too much for the average person.
Average person here, I agree. Too much stuff going on. I also didn't like how it's almost two completely different games between laning and teamfights.

>>700946510
Shazam posters claimed that Elden Ring would fail, and were so wrong that the meme died.

>>700946591
Let people mod it and create custom content for it and I'll play it. I have esports fatigue.

>>700946510
Shazam always represented sales, not quality retard, and Cyberpunk is CDPRs most successful game

>>700946703
No that was just a false shazam.

There were legitimate red flags with cyberpunk. Pulling out the meme just to shitpost doesn't count.

>>700906443
Deadlock more like DEADlock amirite fellas

>>700906443
I remember when /v/ used this game as a counterpoint to Concord to show how you make a succesful hero shooter

>>700946704
>Let people mod it and create custom content for it and I'll play it.
First and foremost, it should have self hosted servers.
People pretend that TF2 is dead, but yet they refuse to actually play on community servers, and find a community that fits their playstyle. TF2 will always be alive an kicking since you only need a few other like minded people on a self hosted server to have fun, can't say the same for centrally managed match making games.

>>700909103
The actual cancer is games not having private servers. Casuals would play with casuals, compfags would make their own little leagues or whatever. It used to work very well like that, but noooo, everything needs to be team games with centralized solo rankings now.

>>700946846
>Shazam always represented sales, not quality retard
The meme literally was about listing promised features that were getting dropped. So yes it was literally about quality.

>it didn't have to be a good game
You're here right now.

Don't think Valve will cancel the game. Characters are well liked and so is the theme and atmosphere. But what they need to do is figure out how to make the games shorter.(Fuck playing 30+ minuet games) Also remove some items because all that is too overwhelming for casuals.

And 4 abilities per character is too much. Especially since their traits change depending on the level of that ability.

>>700914167
> just think for myself
Cringe. Get with the program.

>>700947124
>And 4 abilities per character is too much. Especially since their traits change depending on the level of that ability.
>make the game less than Dota
never ever never never never ever never

>>700906443
still no key
S

>>700947124
it just needs aram for retards,
riot will make a worse version and people will eat it up because people are retarded and always pick the worst choice now.

>>700932668
The fuck are you talking about, all but 3 of LeBlanc's skins have her tits out and one of those was from a decade ago. And she's still deliciously slender with a full hourglass figure.

>add Merasmus from TF2 as a playable character
>then add Dark Willow
There you go, I just saved your game
Seriously though, they fit the setting perfectly, do it you cowards

>>700947680
>have infinite money printer
>anti-valve shill "SHUT IT OFF"
???

>>700906954
>Game is almost done
It really, really isn't.
>and will attract chinks
Oh, Lord. Notto disu shitto agen

Hey I got a question. If valve's development process is as playtester-driven as they make out in their commentary, and valve playtesters are as they make out in their commentary, then how the fuck did Deadlock happen?

>>700908903
I liked deadlock a few months ago because the third person shooter and movement mechanics were fun and filled the void of s4 league/gunz
then I played marvel rivals because it was free and it had even more fun movement, reminded me of S4 league/gunz even more because it has dedicated melee characters instead of making the boxer have a boxing glove gun and I don't have to spend 10 minutes at the start of every game shooting baloons.

moba mechanics are fucking boring when you combine them with balance autism that changes how the urn works or keeps buffing a character into being overpowered and then breaking their legs with nerfs and then making them overpowered with buffs again. it just shows a lack of coherant vision when you have to keep changing the game every single week

Can't wait for the reaction when Riot releases their own version of this and it explodes in popularity and is played by ~200k players every month for years and years on end.

>>700933417
Why the fuck do DotAtards insist on talking about LoL when they know nothing about it.

The DotA metagame is still years and years behind LoL, rotations and power spikes are STILL not used to the same capacity as LoL teams were using them in 2018. DotA pros famously don't even practice much.

>>700948272
>and valve playtesters are as they make out in their commentary
They aren't, not for this game.
The core Valve designers have a philosophy of total streamlining and playtesting everything to shit, that's why it's near impossible to break HL2 or Portal.
Deadlock is very clearly icefrog's offspring and he has a very particular way of designing and balancing

>>700948409
You're retarded.
The powerspikes in league are chosen by Riot and enforced by Riot. The powerspikes in Dota are decided by the pros and playerbase.
The reason the 'spikes' in League have been perfected is because Riot basically holds your hand on what objectives to take and when. When do we fight? When Riot says so.
And yes I play both. I play Dota alone and League with friends because they freak out at the mention of Dota and start crying. Barely even exaggerating.

>>700906556
At best they'd just change the visual just like they did with TF2.

>>700940221
The mobaslop gameplay is pretty much the only thing that's remained consistent this entire time. They've tried for like 15 years to get this shit to work. Must be a pride thing.

>>700906443
moba: but with third person gameplay instead of 1 unit rts was already tried nearly 20 years ago with guilty gear overture - and that game was focused on controlling your army, controlling your character and the difficulties of doing both at the same time instead of autistically shooting balloons for 40 minutes so you can follow a build someone made online and win with raw stats

>>700948409
>The DotA metagame is still years and years behind LoL
That's because every interaction has been solved and there's no emergent complexity

>>700906443
Riot Games won
Valvetroon lost

League of Legends >>>>>>>>> Smite >>>>> HOTS >>>> DOGSHIT >>>>> Dota 2

>>700906443
sssssss

>>700908903
I dropped it when they got rid of ranked and thus the only model that banned team stackers. Any lane that goes up against a duo of two friends or a stack of 3 gets btfo in record time especially when they coordinate hero picks.

does a third person shooter really need a laning phase?

>>700950706
It's the funniest part of the game so yes

>>700907262
ywnbaj

>>700908903
Turns out I don't like mobas

>>700948391
>marvel rivals has more fun movement than deadlock
stopped reading right there

>>700948409
this is peak cope,
you play a dumbed down retard game, it literally is made to appeal to the dumbest people on the planet.

>>700952458
https://streamable.com/l9m5u8 doing stuff like this is way more engaging then trying to kill vindicta by using yamato's auto lock on grappling hook and then slow falling with a single power slash before landing back on the ground
compare lash swinging forward at a set speed and only being able to hook to a target is like kids play compared to how venom and spidey can move in rivals. deadlock has nerfed most of the cool movement items like majestic leap or HMC and I don't need to buy superior stamina instead of a meta item that increases my damage to quad jump as iron fist.

>>700952973
uniornically that looks boring as fuck,
just sliding and strafing is more complex than that.

>>700945812
>I HATE LIVE SERVICE SLOP
And still do. Back in the PS4's Never Ever golden years a common PCsister FUD was that Sony games were "niche trash", "one and done" and that'd be the death of consoles somehow despite PS4 selling like hotcakes
and I just pointed pointed out how the market was already oversaturated and shit like Battleborn, Paragon and LawBreakers were flopping left and right. It's a shame Sony took the bait then and got left at the PC altars
(Personal Computer and Political Correctness) with the biggest flop since ET. PS' strong audience of 30 years and console royalties jeopardised for nothing. I'm always right, /v/. Fuck the lot of you and suck my cock.

>>700952973
I just have to assume this poster is indian or chinese

valve just drop a man vs machine like(or any pve) mode and i'll be happy

>>700937530
>the 1 dota tranny vs the thousands of LGBT faggots in LoL spamming rainbow sticker emojis in-game
lol k

>>700906443
>TF2 outlived another competitor not even out yet
Holy based

>>700948029
nope, the self insert riot employee wanted to cover her up

>>700948029
>sexy female character BAD
https://youtu.be/7ROgT5lxNAY?t=37

when it launches it will probably have a 10k hardcore population I dont see it having more than that, there are other games that provide experiences just as rewarding for half of the effort

>>700948409
It's Dota or DOTA, not DoTA btw.

>>700955626
It's too hardcore even for me, fucking icefrog managed to filter me

>>700907262
How'd you report this, hon? I always wonder what option you pseudo-jannies use to alert the actual jannies about generals when there isn't a dedicated dropdown option for that.

>game has too many mechanics
>Skill gap is too large
>I only play it if it is simplified and streamline
Has the PvP scene been taken over by e-girls?

>>700939227
no more
Your in the big leagues now Bitch
WHY DID YOU REMOVE ICE FROG!

>>700956592
I'd argue a no swearing rule and bitch being too obscene, but Dota voicelines can say "bitch" so I dunno. No "fuck" though, it's slurred.

>>700956553
lotta tired people out there these days, man

>>700956794
not in any generic ability lines, just for specific hero rivalries
there's still some swears in the voicelines but they should revert the lash one everyone liked it

>>700956553
After 2k hours in Dota, I'm a tired sol

>>700918397
Is that this characters ultimate or can he just fucking blink around at will like that?

>>700956553
egirls will never be able to play this game

>>700906954
>Game is almost done
Let's be real. Valve wanted to keep developing this game for another solid 2 years before showing it to the public. When that TF2 youtuber leaked footage of the closed alpha it made Valve panic and release the beta waaaaaaaay earlier than planned.

>>700957378
He has Puck's abilities from Dota and bought a blink, which anyone can do.

>>700943789
i grew up on source engine i love movejank like bhopping don't get me wrong.
but when the button input i have to input reminds me of kstyle you fucked up as a developer

>>700956553
You're nearly two decades late here.

>>700956553
The issue is the main demographic for a game like this have already poured thousands of hours into LoL or DOTA2 or Valorant or CSGO or whatever. These players KNOW how much time they will have to spend because they've done it before with other games. Most these players would rather stick to the game they've already invested a ludicrous amount of time learning instead of starting over from scratch.

>>700957593
>Release
That's a funny way of saying "invite only" and still having zero release press.
My money is still on the tftumors literally only invited in so Valve could run data collection on them running bots, or getting one to breach NDA so they could slap them with a lawsuit to quit being a nigger

>>700957863
league is on the verge of dying albeit

>>700957912
It's not. Bugmen will keep that game propped up forever.

>>700906443
Ivy, my beloved wivy

>>700909059
I'm OK with how many things it wants you to keep track of at a moments notice, but not for a fucking 40 minute match. Jesus, I hate how long the matches are for no good reason.

>>700957863
Alright, but not everyone put that much time in the old game. Maybe there are people looking for a new game to jump in to put their time in instead of trying to compete with people with thousands of hours. New popular pvp pop up all the time. People said the same shit about Valo and how it would never succeed with CS being alive and look where Valo is now

>>700956553
>Has the PvP scene been taken over by e-girls?
deadlock's pvp is literal anti e-girl repellent due to how many mechanics are present / 0 cute heal slut girl characters to play as

>>700956794
There's definitely still 'fuck's in the voice lines, although only in the unreleased ones I think
One of Lash's kill ping lines on Bebop is "Someone kill that fucking golem", and Holliday tells Lash to "shut the fuck up" in a pre-match conversation line

>>700906443
Friendly reminder that Valve doesn't know how to make games anymore

>>700918397
There's so much UI

>>700957378
He can throw a projectile (his coat) and teleport to it at any moment, can become invulnerable (getting in the briefcase) and bought an item that lets anyone teleport a small distance if they haven't been hit recently (like blink dagger from dota)
His abilities are basically a clone of Dota's Puck, and you are meant to juke a fuckton of damage if you're a sweatlord

>>700906556
Yes, it hasn't even gotten it's full release, people are bound to try it when it actually releases

>>700958593
>letting the e-girls play to the detriment of everyone else's fun
if they start adding heroes with even half of marvel rivals' healslut effectiveness i'm jumping ship

>>700957378
Its not much what he did.
>Warpstone into the air (Blink from dota)
>Suitcase ability to reset movement
>Double jump, airdash into a walljump for another dash
>Suitcase missiles midair for another movement reset
>Double jump, airdash again
>Gets hit by paradox stun, Wardens use barrier on him to dispel.
>Throws his cape far away
>Gets in the suitcase again (Puck's phase shift)
>Gets out of the suitcase, teleport into mid-air cape into a wall dash
>Instantly Warpstone to safety

It looks fast because of his schizo camera, but all his doing is dashing away to base

>>700939227
wait, I've not played the game for a while? did they really remove Vash's lines?

>>700958989
Mandatory topson
https://youtu.be/B6Fc6FtjaiY

>>700959296
They re-did all his voice lines a couple of months back to give him a new pitch/inflection
Most of his lines stayed the same, but "You're in the big leagues now, bitch" wasn't one of the new lines they recorded for some ungodly reason

>>700958915
It's obviously a playtest UI that shows EVERYTHING and a lot of optimization can be done (remove the enemy HP bars, clean up the killfeed, collapse some numerical data like attack and armor and movement speed into a Tab menu so they're not always visible etc.
But it's a Dota cousin, you need 90% of that info, but it would feel weird with an RTS HUD

>>700959593
thats just weird

>>700923430
now I remember why I fell off this game hard, it's fucking hideous

Don't care, 'luv Mo n Krill

I hate there's no way to protect guardians and buildings from someone with high DPS and good escapes

>>700906443
>make the moba aspect a separate gamemode
>game is now a traditional hero shooter
could it work?

Guns feel absolutely fucking worthless if you're behind on souls due to the way some items are and there's a point where you know you've lost but agonizingly have to wait it out

>>700906443
how do people play games like this forever
I played like 20 matches and couldn't stand it anymore, not to mention they ruined balancing and matchmaking

>>700908903
it was simpler, but they kept adding stuff and making the meta pure cancer
wall jumping autism is where I drew the line

I wish Calico wasnt a niggress

Her current iteration is so fun
Just simple unga

>>700908903
>>700928720
this. you play a moba for a moba and play a shooter to fight.

>>700929513
Rivals doesn't play like Aeon of Strife, does not involve Fortress Assault-based gameplay, and most of its maps don't Go On Two Sides.

i havent pkayed the game in months
just waiting for 1.0

>>700956553
tired people not interested in brute forcing some annoying mechanic.

>>700948720
>At best they'd just change the visual
again?

>>700967120
Honestly, changing from the same style to a different locale, which is what deadlock is to what Neon Prime was (if it actually existed as a predecessor) is different than an artstyle change entirely.

>>700969332
I doubt they're going to change the style significantly at this point, they've stated they're pretty happy with the art direction.

Wait what the fuck it's already dead?

another valvetroon L

>>700906556
Yes it's Valve. They can cancel anything.

But I doubt it.
I said this before I stopped playing but all they need to do at this point is just grind out development and add content and casual modes.
Then get ready for a big marketing blitz for its actual reveal.

>>700969863
I thought the art direction is great. There just needs to be specific cosmetic change to each character as many characters still share the same baseline model/animation/weapons, etc

>>700906443
I miss the old Patron voices. It did a better job of setting the mood before each game.
https://youtu.be/JgJPV0jk71A?si=znf_cZL5rIUIAfQv&t=2633

Last hitting just isn't fun. Your entire lane experience being able to be completely erased because the enemy laner having slightly better ping, or faster reaction time than you, is just unforgivable.

Id be sad if they cancelled it

At the very least wholesale just take the idea but convert it into a AAA Risk of Rain 2 clone

>>700936748
The aesthetic theme is cool but in reality it just leads to a dull and drab low-contrast color pallet. I think Neon Prime's city landscape looked better with the bright neon lights breaking up the monotony

>>700970567
they already fixed it to be biased by 100ms to whichever team the souls belong to, and gave denies a 50% smaller hitbox than confirms

>>700970879
yap, the cyberpunk aesthetic was far superior once again Valve gets fucked by their retarded playtesters

>>700925130
>alpha has 13k-17k players daily
The fuck is wrong with you retards? It's not a full fucking release. It's not even a beta

>>700906443
its by far the most sweaty game i have played even more then dota 2 idk how valve does it only autistic people would love this shit once you are high phantom games are just unenjoyable truthfully

i wouldnt mind it but have 0 no characters i actually like plus the game setting is corny as shit give me neon prime back

but the game is still far better then league of piss

>>700970879
bright particle effects against bright neon backdrops is objectively bad for clarity

>>700970879
Legit looks too generic

I say wait for the final final art pass of the game

>>700970879
The night version was even better

>>700970879
If they stuck with this, it'd just be called another generic futuristic hero shooter or Overwatch ripoff.

Half Life 3 is literally siphoning all the devs at Valve lmao.

>>700970879
if the game looked like this it would have never had the hype phase deadlock had last year. like... it would be an artifact tier flop where literally no one cared about it at any stage of development.

>>700971830
people already call it an overwatch ripoff

>>700970938
I didnt know this, maybe ill try it again...

>closed, invite-only alpha
>OMG GAME IS OVER NOW
you guys are legit retarded

>>700971272
I don't think the people here know what alpha development means. The average IQ of this thread is like sub-80.

>>700971886
>dota side of valve releases soulless flop after soulless flop
>csgo finally getting into hot water for speedrunning children into gambling addictions
>valve just released a documentary reminding the world how fucking good half life 2 was
no shit everyone is jumping to work on half life. no one joins valve to scam children or work on skins for warcraft 3 donut steel oc's.

>>700970879
this sucks
I fucking hate forced "this cancelled thing was actually GOOD" posting

>>700970879
This looks like complete fucking ass.

>>700944525
>Its fucking launched all but in name.
It's literally in closed alpha retard.

>>700972681
I'm not saying I would have preferred neon prime to deadlock, but simply that neon prime's use of primary colors and higher contrast looked better than the low contrast pastel tones we got in deadlock

>>700946510
>Nigger cyberpunk was a total trainwreck.
Mostly positive steam user score.
20 million sales after 2 years.
Got an expansion. Still has thousands of active players every day.

Any objective metric you use for success, CP2077 clears the benchmark.

>>700946850
>There were legitimate red flags with cyberpunk.
But the game is a mega hit.

>>700972928
Just wait til they slather the map in a bunch of luminescent spooky shit like all the ghost smoke coming out of the windows or ghost pigeons

>>700946850
Nothing about shazamposting was right which is funny since the game being janky and unfinished is just typical CDPR so that's the one thing he would have no problem getting right.

>>700972928
you are objectively wrong, this is not a subjective matter. you are just stupid and you smell like shit.

>>700972660
>csgo finally getting into hot water for speedrunning children into gambling addictions
Honest to goodness Valve should sue the fuck out of the retard trying to say they're associated with Counterstrike gambling sites.
There's no way you could be retarded about that.

>>700973074
Show me gameplay of traversing deadlock's map that doesn't look like a sludge of beige, brown and sickly green and tell me with a straight face it's the kind of visual setting you'd enjoy spending 500+ hours in

>>700972660
>>csgo finally getting into hot water for speedrunning children into gambling addictions
Everyone already forgot about it lmao

>>700973216
90% of the map is fucking placeholder shit

I guarantee you old neon prime was just massive blocks of gray too

>>700972946
The disastrous train wreck of a release combined with any talk about them cleaning it up after the fact is clearly going due to expectations being drastically lowered("it's better than it was at release"). Same reason I don't buy claims of No Man's Sky actually being good now.

Look how long it took anyone in this thread to even suggest cyberpunk was actually good.
>>700972946
>Nothing about shazamposting was right
>the one thing he would have no problem getting right
You contradicted yourself in your own post.

>>700973178
>Honest to goodness Valve should sue the fuck out of the retard trying to say they're associated with Counterstrike gambling sites.
It was their decision to put loot boxes in the game to begin with.

>>700973216
Show me a single stylized scifi pvp game post overwatch that hasn't bombed immediately. You can't be saying "no one wants to spend 500+ hours playing in this aesthetic" while shilling for an aesthetic the market has proven to absolutely fucking hate.

>>700973691
Marvel Rivals lmao

>>700973816
Marvel Rivals isn't scifi and the aesthetic is absolutely not what neon prime was going for. I will give you one more chance to reply to me with honesty and integrity and if you choose to be a scoundrel I will not reply to you again. You have been warned.

>>700973691
You misunderstand, I'm not shilling for a sci-fi aesthetic, I'm shilling a color pallet and dynamic lighting range. Deadlock presently is simply too mid-tone heavy, I'm sure it'll improve as they add glowing effects which brings up the high tones enabling them to deepen the low tones but the current build is simply too drab

>>700973684
The game is M rated.
It's a failure of
>Parents for letting their kids play it when they aren't even supposed to in the first place
>The gambling websites for existing in the first place
>People being stupid enough to use said gambling websites
>Said gambling websites targeting children
>Gambling website affiliates knowingly advertising to children
At no point in that process is it on Valve for "targeting children".
If we were talking something like, Fortnite which pays people to chastise children to buy Vbucks or their friends will hate them and they should attack children that don't have premium cosmetics, sure.
Counterstrike, there's just no case there.
The shit's there specifically for adults.

Last I heard Deadlock only has like 15-20 devs max.

Gonna be a slow roll probably 2026 announcement.

>>700973528
Yeah it's the one thing he could have gotten right and he didn't, shazamposters have always been retarded.

>>700973893
>Marvel Rivals isn't scifi and the aesthetic is absolutely not what neon prime was going for
Really doesn't seem that far off to me.

However I also think Marvel Rivals is going to crash and burn in the long run because it's making all the same fucking mistakes overwatch did.

>>700974320
Icefrog got too mazed with the attention and started treating it as a live game too early with the lameass balance updates instead of experimenting and adding content, they only started adding new heroes after players faded away.

>>700974360
You really think shazamposters never claimed it was going to be a buggy mess?

>>700974503
They didn't, it was just dumb stuff about the tone and tabletop features.

*Sips drink*

>it doesn't have to be at night
>it doesn't have to be in a large city
>it doesn't need to be 3rd person
>it doesn't need to have the different classes
>it doesn't need the player to be able to use flying cars
>It doesn't need accessible interiors for buildings
>It doesn't need to be free of liberal bullshit
>It doesn't need to have good customisation options
>it doesn't need to have real dialogue choices
>it doesn't need you to be able to join different factions
>it doesn't need to have killable NPCs
>it doesn't need to have Trauma Team as a gameplay element the player can use
>it doesn't need to have destructible environments
>it doesn't need to have good graphics
>it doesn't matter that CD Projekt Red is staffed by Americans now
>it doesn't need mod support
>it doesn't need to have good box art
>It doesn't need to not blow all its budget on b list actors
>it doesn't need to be an RPG
>it doesn't need you to be able to purchase new apartments
>it doesn't need you to be able to choose different childhood heroes
>it doesn't need you to be able to customise your cars or apartment
>it doesn't need Cyberpsychosis to be part of the game
>it doesn't need VR support
>it doesn't matter that it's cinematic garbage
>it doesn't need good AI
>it doesn't need good vehicle handling
>it doesn't matter that it has a shit visual style
>it doesn't need to have genders
>it doesn't need to not be downgraded
>it doesn't matter that there's less customisation options than in the e3 demo
>it doesn't matter that you can't see your character in cutscenes
>it doesn't matter that customisation is useless
>it doesn't need to not be GTA 2077
>it doesn't matter that it has tacked on multiplayer
>it doesn't matter that npc's don't refer to you as "he/she" anymore
>it doesn't matter that it's smaller than Witcher 3
>it doesn't matter that it's shorter than Witcher 3

>>700974442

What are the mistakes its making?

>>700974480
I think he realized that which is why them dumped 4 heroes instantly at the start of the year kek

They should be wackier and ezperiment actual different game modes
We know they experime ted with stuff like payload and ctf already but I want to see them just throw it out there for shis and giggles

But really everyone is just too focused on HLX
I reckon once that cones out Deadlocks dev time will get faster

>>700974648
>it doesn't need good AI
>it doesn't need good vehicle handling
Both those things relate to the game being a buggy mess.

Also that list is filled with things that ended up being true.

>>700974868
Visual clarity is a big one especially in high elo games where multiple healers are popping ults.
TTK being too low which in turn just leads to healers being too strong.
Tanks being free ult charge for healers.
Really shitty balance.
All of the above leading to an extremely stale meta that makes GOATs look fun.

Still better than Deadlock tho.

>>700974940
That one is from 2022 so well after the game released and some things changed around, but the pastas before release never pointed out the one thing that CP2077 actually sucked at which was polish so shazam was wrong and rightfully ACK'd himself.

>>700974986

to me Supports feel monstrously overpowered in that game

>>700975050
Like I said they have to be because DPS is way too fucking high in this game.

A Psylocke ult will kill upwards of 3-4 enemies and charges just as fast as Luna ult.
Strange ult often leads to a team wipe.
AGAIN leads to a team wipe.
Moon Knight ult can team wipe if the enemy is bunched together.
etc.

>>700974868
Big one is pushing a holy trinity and falling for the healer role meme. Made worse by the game not even having the decency to just say "tank, dps, healer" in its descriptions of the heroes.

I'm already hearing people complaining about every constantly ending up in teams where everyone just wants to play dps. Which is overwatch all over again. Stupid thing though is they're calling the players stupid when it's the dev's dumbass idea to design a game which assumes people are just going to want to play dps.

>>700975207

anecdotal but my friends would hit level ~15, solo grind ranked hard for 2-3 weeks then never touch the game again

the ones who just dick around in quick match with friends still enjoy it

>>700975032
Wasn't not having flying cars known about for some while before release? Definitely remember some complaints about that. And there was definitely a big shitstorm over the game not being permanently at night.

HIREZ WON, BY A LOT!

>>700975725
smite 2 is very very good it kinda feels like dota 2 just kinda and you get character unlock tokens every time you rank up till 50

>>700975725
>Smite 2 will release a new god every week
Smite 2 is the last ditch chance for the company
You can feel it

>>700974880
hero labs was getting attention in november, and valve takes half of december off
the 4 hero release was to catch up with their internal schedule, they didn't want to release heroes into matchmaking over the holidays and be forced to fix them while on vacation

>>700975869
Eh. I dont think its that good.

The game still fundamentally just feels like League with the camera zoomed in.

>>700925626
>the reason it exists is Valve devs playing allstars competitively in their office
Sounds like headcannon

Too bad, it has the potential to be one of the best multiplayer games ever made.
And if you haven't checked it out yet you definitely should.
That said the game is really, really demanding. I have a tremor in my hand sometimes during intense moments, but it happens very rarely. First noticed it when I start PvPing in Ultimate Online, and it too me awhile to get familiar/good enough at the game so that my hands didn't spaz out during a stressful moment.
Since then I've barely got it, except very rarely in DotA and some PvP-centric mmos I've played.
In Deadlock I get it basically every other game.
But if I was younger, I'd been playing it dozens of hours a week regardless just to get past it through exposure. I love the game.

But yeah, adding ranked changed the vibe of the game and suddenly it had the same assholes as DotA and LoL.

Also, the newer generation of games are mostly retards. They can twitch-game with the best of them, but overall they handle/seek complexity way less than earlier generations.

>>700906443
What killed it? Marvel rivals?

I remember it being pretty hyped when it first came out and it looked decently fun

>>700977270
nothing
game isnt even out yet and has a piss small dev team

>>700977249
>But yeah, adding ranked changed the vibe of the game and suddenly it had the same assholes as DotA and LoL.
That's literally every game with ranked mode. That being said deadlock will have the same problems as dota 2. Being way too deep so any casual fortnite/lol turbo nigger couldn't get into it. Being able to deny creeps already adds more deep that anything lol can have.

>>700977249
>>700977367

desu I think they should have added a more casual game mode alongside Ranked. But anyway, the best thing Valve cpuld do is just keep their head down, limit the alpha again, and just silently work on the game until fhe big reveal.

>>700957593
they got tired of the leaks and used the hype generated to go "yeah? you guys really want to play? ok here you go." and used the opportunity to gather various data. the entire thing has zero real impact on the dev cycle, and it will be done when its done.

>>700977249
I liked playing it but I just can't justify spending any more time with these insanely competitive timesinks.

>>700977489
which is kind of what they're doing, right? i did find it odd that they did a steam news post for the 4 new heroes that aren't necessarily final art wise.

>>700977642
it's valuable to get feedback from people who stopped playing and wouldn't otherwise find out that the game's been updated

>>700909059
it's kinda like when nickelodeon made NASB. it was made for melee nerds, by melee nerds. that's why the audience was 20 people. destroyed the possibility of a real game population because only the sweatiest of sweats will enjoy it

>>700970386
I agree, I really liked his slow, ominous voice. The new one is less interesting

>>700974868
>>700974442
>>700975229
Honestly the biggest thing Deadlock has over Rivals is that there's no real 'roles'. There's definitely certain heroes that work better as support and others as DPS, but generally every character in that game can 'carry' in a way.
Of course the game misses out on the female audience though because there's no healslut characters to sit in the back and mindlessly heal.

>>700909059
>Ugh it's just... ugh! It gives me the ick. It makes me so stressed... it's so nerve-wracking I have breakdowns whi— OOF! I just can't take it I need to see my thera- mom please call the therapist I played Deadlock and now I'm stress- unnnngh

The new generation of gamers is fucked.
If Deadlock was released ~15 years ago it would be a hit but with today's zoomers and gen alpha being brainrotted losers who freak out over a small breeze it's fucked.

>>700918397
Having played the game for over a hundred hours, I never had a problem with the UI.
All the information kind of disappears once you know where to look and when.
And as for pocket, the character in the clip, he's built to dive and dip. That's why he has the frogs, he's slippery. So if I'm right about this seq:
- Use majestic leap to jump to escape an Abrams
- bounce jumps off a wall
- carries the momentum into a barrage, floating a ways.
- gets hit by a paradox time shot, slowing him
- I think it looks like shiv hit him with knife
- he activates divine divine barrier to survive
- Finally, uses the warp stone to finish escaping to his side of the map
If you're looking at the map, you can tell this sequence lead to a huge crash out where a team fight started.
Bare in mind, he's got 5k souls in the bank and it looks like mostly filled item slots, so he's saving for late-game 6.3k tier four soul items and this is very late game.

>>700909059
I have about 300.7 hours, a lot of it played in house.
Haven't played in a long while, but is it really that stressful to you? I felt really 'in control' when I played like, farming takes zero cognitive effort and while I'm doing that I'm always plotting where to go next by checking the map, enemy upgrades, thinking about when my next power spike is, ect.

I played deadlock in a dream last night. Graphics were ps3 level, controls were jumpy, gunplay was rough and imprecise. I can now confidently say it isn’t a very good game.

>>700981636
valvesissies, our response?

>>700980369
females have kelvin and ivy. Kelvin lets them healslut and ivy lets them fly around throwing bombs and calling it a day.