Just played the DMC games, loved 3 and 5, liked 1 and 4, what to play next?

Is this normal ninja attire?

>>700800535
No, too covered

>>700800008
Without Itagaki will it even be a Ninja Gaiden game?

Hopefully they make Ryu cool again like he was in the first game.

>>700800945
I miss that brief period of the 2000's when games had these super impressive prerendered CGI cutscenes, it felt like such a flex

>>700800945
This game is so fucking good. I still love it.

>>700800945
Ryu is not scary...

>>700800631
Seeing as how he's not even the creator of the franchise, yes?

>>700800535
For you.

>>700800945
He can't be cool with that outfit

>>700800945
do you have the webm of Ratchel's slimey tits? I need it for research purposes

>>700800945
Why did he give up cloth for tight fitting leather?

>>700802320
>Why did he give up cloth for tight fitting leather?
It was the 2000's, he wears like a black body armor batman suit in NG3
Best Ryu look

>>700802069
seconded

>>700800516
play ninja gaiden black or sigma
that's the closest to dmc3

>>700800008
>Yasuda was a producer for Wo Long and "Chief Director" of Rise of the Ronin (it actually had 4 separate directors) as well as producer

so basically he hasn't done anything important since Nioh 2 unless...

my hope is that Yasuda is both Director/Producer for Ninja Gaiden 4 like he was for Nioh 2 and that Hayashi is minimally involved.

Though I also expect a DOA7 announcement, I feel that DOA is more important for Team Ninja then Ninja Gaiden but I could be wrong there

>>700800516
Bayonetta 1 is the easy recommendation, since it's most platforms.
Ninja Gaiden Black is also very good, and Godhand is the most fun

>>700800008
The 3d Ninja Gaiden IP has more bad games than good ones so I don't really care

how to git gud at ninja gaiden

>>700800008
>new protag Kenji Mozu
way to ruin it already

>>700800008
I hope Momiji's returning.

>>700803719
Flying swallow
Dabilahro

>>700803768
Forgot image.

>>700803742
>reading comphrension
Kenji Mozu is the protag of Ragebound, Ryu would obviously be the protag of NG4

>>700803792
how does that instantly charged attack work exactly

>Rachel tentacle monster vore scene in NG1
wew lads now that's how you add some fanservice
What happens if you actually beat the boss in the playable level as Rachel? If you lose it seems to just go back to playing as Ryu

>>700803887
Charge after you kill an enemy, their yellow essence will instacharge you

Had Ninja Gaiden ever had a terrible game?

>>700804130
yes, 2 and 3

>>700804130
Unlike DmC which gets some defenders for it's alright diet-4 gameplay, Yaiba on the other hand, I have never seen anyone sing any pros/praises for,

>>700804162
The NES ones? Those games aren't bad

>>700804212
no, the 3D ones

>>700804109
That's how it works? I thought it was charging right after you touch the ground after a jump

>>700804130
You know how no one talk about Ninja Gaiden Z? Yea

>>700804162
If you mean 3d, 2 is awesome

>>700804130
Razor's Edge is pretty bad.

>>700804350
nah, 2 is a big step down from 1. Still better than 3 though

>>700804298
Yep, essence. Useful for crowd control

>>700804350
Boobs and lewd aside, in a sea of games imitating 5th gen games, how hard would it be for modern devs to emulate/recreate this level of fidelity without it being garbo? DMC4, Bayo and NGB are still graphically impressive.

>>700804593
Probably impossible with current engines because they can't disable all the god awful PBR shit and artist can't make models without ZBrush and they almost always look like shit

>>700804130
Yaiba, 2, Sigma 2, 3, Razor's Edge are one of the worst action games ever made and belongs with Devil May Cry 2 of abortions that should have been unpersoned(ungamed) from history.

>>700804709
You haven't played Yaiba if you think the other games are anywhere near that level of bad

>>700804593
>how hard would it be for modern devs to emulate/recreate this level of fidelity
Blow the fuck out of bloom with harsh contrasts if early 7th gen, mix between prerendered and real time lights and shadows.
Compress the fuck out of textures so the whole game can fit a xbox 360 dvd disc, slightly less if you are aiming for ps3 bluray.

>>700804936
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, 2 are fucking dogshit games. Itagaki dickriders and Sony faggots can go fuck each other because both are arguing superiority of games that are as fucking incompetently designed as Yaiba.
Less said about 3 and RE the better when every problem in the latter stems from channeling Itagaki's "how do we make a dogshit game harder, then make it even more harder" mindset

>>700805225
Resolution aside, I just like how models are detailed by stylized enough to account for not being able to render millions of tris. I don't wanna see more pores, I want better environments and enemy AI. 7th gen peaked for me because of this.

>>700803792
You forgot about Izuna Drop.

Would a female led Ninja Gaiden be successful?

>>700806005
She's one of the better bosses if you know how to fight her. Certainly better than Zedonius or Volf.

>>700805953
>Would a female led Ninja Gaiden be successful?
Secondary protag with Ryu maybe, I kind of like the idea of Ratchel but she needs more tools. I liked how Sigma 2 tried to at least expand on the fact that she's a gun user, she should have some kind of DT mechanic as well since she's part Fiend

>>700805953
Probably not, but I'd play it anyway. Especially if it was Ayane.

>>700803719
Izuna drop everything. Seriously, the game is balanced around Izuna Drops

>>700806908
Actually, it's Izuna Drop one guy and then use his essence to chain ETs/UTs until you kill everything.

This is an awful thread filled with the worst types of NG fans. Coomers, NG1 elitists, casuals, just the worst. Anyway, I've been messing around with the Scythe in NG2 and I'm not sure if I like it all that much. It's got some fun moves, but I feel like there's not much synergy between any of its tools. Might be my least favorite weapon in the game, despite being really cool conceptually.

>>700807265
>NG1 elitists
2 sucks dick fagotron

Just beat Madness Project Nexus recently, I feel I and many others would sing its praises a lot more if it came out around the same time as Castle Crashers.

>>700807778
No, 2 is the best one. It's the best action game of all time, in fact. Eventually, you too will realize that.

>>700806656
what do you mean "know how to fight her"?
ng2 AI is very simplistic and broken so you can just force her into the same move until she dies

Is Ryu a falcon or a dragon? He needs to make up his mind.

>>700805953
Wasn't Ayane going to get her own spin-off game by Itagaki before he left?

>>700810652
kasumi was

>>700810652
I remember Itagaki talking about not wanting playable female characters in Ninja Gaiden because it's a violent ruthless franchise and beautiful flowers shouldn't be sullied like that, he forbid his wife Kasumi from ever even appearing because he felt it was in poor taste

>>700811263
Honestly, that's a pretty reasonable and conservative explanation. However, I crave extreme sex and violence in my video games, anything less would be woke.

>>700800008
>New Ninja Gaiden merch for sale for NG04's 20th anniversary
Sauce

>>700813397
Revoltech action figures of Ayane, Ryu (2 and 3) and Kasumi plus a statue of RE Ryu.
https://www.amiami.com/eng/search/list/?s_keywords=Ninja%20gaiden

>>700813516
Thank you.

bump

Why did the Master Collection remove the voice overs for the Ayane kunai letters? Not like its a big deal but also a weird change.

>>700800535
Rachel is a fiend hunter

>>700816570
Likely lost the audio.

After delving deep into Kamiya's catalogue, I have come to the conclusion he is 80% hack 20% genius, and needs a tard wrangler

>>700812206
How tall is Sarah?

>>700803836
>>700804109
Nut in Momiji

>>700818424
Hm, no.
NEXT!

>>700819795
Hm, yes.
CONTINUE!

>>700819812
Kek. Well shit I concede.

>>700807265
>not much synergy between any of its tools
I regret to inform you but skill issue.

Character action games are dead for the simple reason that they require and demand decent amount of time and investment to actually get good at it, but you need to meet a special kind of autist who wants to actually lab out combos which they can only use against NPCs. 95% of people who are willing to put that kind of effort into a videogame will only do it for a game with PvP.

>>700820101
Action games take time and investment to develop a good game you mean.
>lab out combos
Stop.

>>700804593
DMC4 had a difficult development because all companies, especially the japanese ones, struggled with HD.
But also Capcom used their own engine, MT Frameworks, which was just weird. They could use it for anything and the kind of games they got to work on PS3/360 was amazing

did stellar blade make me a nonce or was it repressed? you cannot say that her face is that of a woman

>>700821363
I'll assume you are a britcuck, either a scotsman or a subhuman (everything that isn't scot)
if that is the case, you always were either a nonce, a poof, or both

>>700821446
>>700821516
just the face alone makes me feel a certain way..

>>700821562
THAT FICTIONAL CHARACTER WAS ONLY 28 YOU SICK FUCK

>>700800516
Bayo 1, its literally what if Kamiya continued to work on DMC.

Hopefully they'll not make it like NG3 and have a fucking Rocket Launcher NIGGER at the edges of every single fight lobbying explosives at you.

Fuck you NG3.

>>700803531
That's a weird take when the good ones are the peak of the genre

>>700821603
not even 19 year olds have faces like that

>>700802498
>If NG4 was made, he would wear some MCU kind of outfit.
That's fucking scary.

character action games died because people want to make their own character rather than play someone else's

>>700813516
>Revoltech
I only have one of their figures, it's over a decade old and sucks ass, the Vox Aura. Have they improved?

I wish more character action games or whatever you call them had more optional co op modes. I love showing off online with a buddy or random.

>>700800008
I wish these kind of games weren’t so rare. Being stylish in combat is always a good time but everyone who made these games just stopped making em

>>700821787
which is retarded
Iconic character with its own iconography and unique look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

honestly, I dont think they have the understanding anymore of how to make a good NG. My only dream is that they just give up and make a NGB clone. Just the same concept with new weapons, enemies and maps

>>700802320
because feeling your controller rumble as he tightens every strap made you feel like he was gearing up for the fight of his life. It made you realize the kiddie gloves were off and it was serious now. No more bosses that stop at 25% health or other softballs

I don't understand why people want revivals of classic franchises when developers lost the knowledge and talent to make good games and no one is able to make good games anymore.
Ninja Gaiden 4 would be garbage just like Valkyria Chronicles 4, Ace Combat 7, Devil May Cry 5 and Armored Core 6.

>>700803719
look up the moves list in the weapon menu. try out every string to see what properties they have. When you dodge an attack with yoru roll, dont roll away, instead roll diagonally past your target so you can attack them from the back/side. Running away from enemies doesnt work in this game because they will just use ranged attacks or hide in mist

>>700804421
a musou game with super aggressive rape enemies is pretty wild though. It got a bit much at times but just tearing through a horde of enemies with limbs and blood laying everywhere was just brutal fun.

>>700821713
After people shat on 3 and Sigma 2, they thought all fanboys wanted were infinite explosions spammers.
Wish granted, bitch.

>>700821713
slide jump into bow and arrow or remember why you miss hiroaki matsui

>>700822993
hard as fuck to make and hard as fuck to play so hard as fuck to sell
only the most hard developers will travel this path which is very few

I hope Mightreya is good.

>>700805953
ayane is bestgirl but knowing nu-team ninja they will go for k*sumi

>>700800535
She isn't a ninja. Just a dirty whore.

>>700809117
he's a falcon. But he is from the ancient dragon lineage.

>>700821713
>Rocket Launcher NIGGER at the edges of every single fight
But that's the essence of NG2 SOVL.

>>700825662
I fucking hate Ayane and Kasumi.
Give me a basic blonde bitch any day of the week.

>>700825662
Ayane was supposed to be "what if Kasumi was a whore" character. So by definition she can't be best in anything except being a bitch.

>>700825662
>that clown hair
>best anything
lol, lmao

>>700825926
ayane is kasumi if she wasnt a perfect princess uguu~. Ayane is pure as untrodden snow

>>700825979
she didnt chose to be the rapebaby of a demon.

>>700826102
Thing is Kasumi isn't a perfect princess lol. That's the entire plot. If she was perfect she would follow the code instead of going rouge and trying to avenge her mother.

>>700813516
The ninja trio don't need action figures, they need high quality 1/6 coom scales.

>>700826147
>trying to avenge her mother.
she was trying to get hayate back. This is miss >please I dont want to hurt you

>>700826217
>she was trying to get hayate back
No she joined the first DOA to kill Raido. Hayate didn't even exist when the series started. It was later retconned so when Hayate got beat up by Raido, Kasumi fled the village to avenge him.

A god hand thread died for this

>>700826217
Imagine housing Kasumi and she pays (You) with her body ha ha

Reminder that Kasumi is considered the strongest ninja to ever exist for some reason.

Is Yaiba that bad? I wanna play something new and I constantly see it on sale. The comic style looks kinda neat

>>700828176
It's pretty meh.

>>700803742
It's like they learned nothing from Yaiba, or the atrocious Sigma chapters where you play as the whores. Ninja Gaiden is about Ryu, I'm not interested in playing as some dime store OC donutsteel main character. Fucking spaniards.

Threadly reminder to not listen to filtered faggots about Razor's Edge. While it does have some pretty glaring flaws, the combat alone makes it worth playing. You just have to learn the mechanics and get a feel for the game, which happens about halfway through Hard. When you understand the mechanics it's incredibly rewarding, and the visceral violence is a nice bonus.

>>700804404
>>700804709
>>700805503
>>700821713
Look at these seething shitters. Don't be like them. It's okay if you're too weak to beat a game, but at the very least you shouldn't whine like a little bitch on the internet.

>>700821713
Yeah, that killed the game for me. I'd rather deal with the shuriken spam in 2 over that.

>>700821731
does it matter? neotenous faces are superior

>>700828176
The whole game is basically a giant shitpost, I wouldnt pay more than 10 bucks for it.

>>700808312
And you can literally juggle Alma to death. What's your point?

>>700829008
The more I understood the game less I liked it. It has more flaws than it does good points.

>>700804690
Zbrush is literally the best 3d software for sculpting high poly models, why would artist use something else? There are reasons why its been industry standard for years.

>>700829008
RE is only worth a playthrough because of Kasumi unique teleport mechanic which makes the combat even more fun.

Does yous guys like when the games grade you for your skills in real time?

Like when devil may cry games grade you while you’re fighting? Personally I don’t like it. I feel like it puts pressure on me to keep doing different stuff too often. I’m more about defeating my opponents efficiently.

How do they rank in terms of strength?

Playing Lords of the Fallen 2023 right now, going through NG+. Honestly I'm legit surprised; it may be one of the best Soulsclones.
>NG+ modifiers like ironman mode, no bonfires, randomized enemies

A kind anon gifted me Wanted Dead on the Steam sale so will play it next. I know its devs are people who worked in the 3D Ninja Gaiden games and the game got good word of mouth so I expect it to be good.

>>700831971
Yes

>>700831971
Kasumi hasn't actually appeared in a Ninja Gaiden story so she hasn't really done anything comparable to the rest. She beats them pretty handily at martial arts tournaments I suppose

Good meowning thread.

>>700831971
Canonically Kasumi is supposed to be the strongest. But I would rank it Hayabusa>Kasumi>Ayane>Momiji>Rachel
Rachel is the weakest without turning into a fiend. But if she did she would be above Momiji.

shiny leather wearing sexy Ryu

Rise of Ronin has a Habayusa style that's literally just Ryu's NG2 dragon sword moveset, complete with izuna drop.
So they still remember.

>>700833005
Yep, it was my main style in my Kunoichi playthrough.

>>700833089
Hey I wear that same top, but no pants so my girl's big ass is always hanging out.

>>700833129
Based minds think alike.

>>700833005
They're NG3 animations, not 2. Same with the bosses in Nioh.

>>700831971
kasumi is supposed to be a superninja but thats just waifu wankery. ryu>kasumi>ayane?momiji>rachel

>>700833303
>Red fudonshi
>Ponytail
Yea that's literally me. You are based and my nigga.

>>700806908
thats a scrub trap dont do this on higher difficulties you will get punished learn to play right iframe abuse

>>700833386
But doesn't Ayane boss around Ryu, even being the "You just unlocked easy mode" narrator?

>>700833386
>>700832650
Why do you guys rank Rachel below Momiji when she beat the underworld lord in NG2?

>>700833495
Ayane refers to Ryu as "Master Ryu". She isn't close to him in terms of power.

>>700833612
Smegma 2 is a fanfic and never happened

>>700833723
I dunno, does Colonel X call Colonel Y "X" or "Colonel Y"?

>>700833495
She doesnt. She is the servant of murai in NGB and gives him hints because murai told her so. He wants her to get ryu to the dark dragon blade. And after you rescue rachel ryu orders her to take care of rachel. Ryu is insanely powerful and leader/heir of the hayabusa clan.

They should include Nyotengu as a playable character.

>>700833495
Ninja Dog is designed as a humiliation ritual for those that really suck.

Bunp

>>700804162
>2
>bad
kys

>>700834482
nioh had nyotengu

>>700834482
She would be killed like any other demon Hayabusa met.

>>700836083
That was her mother irc.

>>700800945
ART

>>700834482
They should not include anyone but Ryu as a playable character.

>>700836659
I’ve always wanted to see hayate in the ninja gaiden games. I thought he was cool.

>>700836530
I was a bit disappointed you don't get to fight in that field.

>>700838046
the field burning away and showing a hell was really cool though. Although it wouldve been better if it was for the second phase only.

>>700800008
I don't want NG4.
They'll turn it into a low effort souls-clone cash grab while modeling every female after Debra Wilson

>>700831783
yes it's based
as a kid i was so impressed that the game would basically call you a fag if you played in a boring way. like even if you beat a hard boss, you still need to go back and do it without sucking.
they have high expectations for you.

>>700838349
Trust the plan

>>700840721
I wish there was an option to turn it off for people who don’t like it

>>700800008
I'm scared to see how bad the animation quality will be for NG4. It's only been getting worse and worse for their games since NG3.

>>700829008
I beat that piece of shit on Ultimate Ninja. It is a dogshit game. Same with Ninja Gaiden 2, Sigma 2 on Master Ninja.
Much like Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden (non nes) has only one good game and it is the first one.

>>700833005
they've probably wanted to do ng4 every day since ng3 released
the problem is their retarded fanbase is fractured ~5 ways and hates everything they do
>have to play as a man, no buy
>not by shitagaki, no buy
>no loot system, no buy
>no 3 stances, no buy
>and then the hyrule warriors audience

>>700800535
Rachel isn't a ninja, but yes either way

>>700800535
it's the standard for fighting demons, really.

>>700841779
The crossover that needs to happen but team ninja fears

>>700841627
You forgot the true TN fans, the ultimate alliance 3 community

>>700841627
To be fair NG3 fucking sucked, then that same team went on to make Nioh, they learned to make better games.

Just finished god hand what should I play next ? Already played NGB, how is Sigma 2 with the black mod on pc ?

>>700842203
The Nioh games aren't better than NG3.

>>700842803
I disagree.

>>700843490
It's crazy to me that this cutscene was produced on the same planet as the one on which we currently live. 2004 was a different world

>>700843931
I wanna FUCK this Alma

>>700825662
Truth

>>700843931
>woman is just a giant vagina and boobs
Bravo Itagaki

>>700844169
at that point publishers still knew their primary audience is teen and 20something males and they couldnt get DEImoney.

is there really no better way to handle berserkers than ->Y over and over with the dark dragon blade

>>700813397
>>700813516
Ryu is coming out at the end of the month, can't wait

>>700821952
yes

>>700843903
>RNG loot
>Stamina bar
>No jump button
I rest my case.

>>700845435
there's also counter attack over and over with the dark dragon blade

>>700845435
Forward Y with the low health UF

>>700800008
Hopefully it's a new take and has nothing to do with shitagaki's garbage games

>>700841431
Sure you did champ

>>700845435
There's a multi-poke attack with the lunar that absolutely rapes them, haven't used it myself because the lunar is for faggots, but if you're desperate, you could go for that.

>>700800008
>New Ninja Gaiden merch for sale for NG04's 20th anniversary
Where?

>>700848971
>>700813516
I was kind of hoping it would be a sick shirt or something but the figures look nice

>>700800008
She's so fucking ugly I can't stand her bimbo looking face she looks artificial

>>700854583
bimbo board

>>700856314
rachel in ngb looks way different than doa rachel. her eyes are much rounder.

>>700800008
do you guys think the new 2D NG game will maintain a commitment to the direction you jump in like the NES games?

>>700831971
A sequel where all of them are his wife would be peak. He’s the only son so his bloodline could die out any minute.

>>700857957
Ayane is for rape

>>700859082
But the Ragebound proves that there are more Hyabusa clan Ninjas past the NES trilogy...

>>700856314
She looks better here.

>>700841627
All I want is NG2 the sequel, with some better boss fights.

>>700859485
Ayane if for Eliot

>>700861723
eliot is christie's boytoy

>>700829008
I would emphatically agree except for ironically the glaring flaws part. Claw ninjas and Van Gelfs are both cunts but still somewhat bearable to fight with multiple ways of doing so, and attempting counterattacks should probably be a bit safer. Those are the only real "flaws" that actually come to mind, and though I could understand if people have preferences for some aspects, anything else ever parroted is either cope, skill issue or bad faith ignorance. Though I can't help but think "halfway through hard" until you feel out the game on a basic level is a bit excessive or would be emblematic of skill issue as well, I see where it comes from.
My favourite thing is when people list off what they'd want above all else in a new Ninja Gaiden, sometimes even a new action game entirely, and it's almost always a description of Razor's Edge.

>>700861723
eliot is hitomi's boytoy

>>700845435
Counterattack with Lunar is the best method by far, along with adding Fire Wheels to speed it up even further if you have no essence to chain.

>>700862448
hitomi's hitomis!

>>700863302
fang's wife is so pretty

>>700800008
WHERE THE FUCK IS DEAD OR ALIVE 7 TEAM NINJA YOU FUCKS
FUUUUUUCKKKKK

>>700863562
They legitimately make more money with Venus Vacation to the point where a new DOA game is probably not even profitable for them vs pushing out new Venus Vacation content. Sad reality of gachaslop's dominance.

>>700800945
>Ryu
>cool
Lol
He looks like a fag and moves like a Power Ranger.

>>700800945
This, Ryu was at his best in NG1 and its not even close. 2 makes him too much of an anime character and 3 just makes him act like the most generic 2010s era video game hero ever even down to giving him a kid to bond with like its fucking TLOU or some shit and getting fucking troy baker of all people doesn't help

>>700800008
Maybe this time a new NG game won't be a steaming pile of shit

>>700863562
fightans are fucking dead at this point unless you're Street Fighter or Tekken

>>700842204
Its decent dont listen to the schizo audience for it though

>>700863915
>ayane
>smiling
stupid insta filters

>>700863726
They can market it as a Tekken and VF competitor. Just fucking do it.

And make Marie Rose the series mascot.

>>700864303
>>And make Marie Rose the series mascot.
itagaki loved all his daughters equally. After his passing kasumifags took over

>>700864397
Itagaki is alive and if he knew any better he would pull a Kamiya and work freelance for Tecmo again on NG4 and DoA7.

>>700864612
It wouldnt surprise me if he held a grudge and would refuse the work even if the offer presented itself. Would love to see how it would end though. Even if it ends up as a trainwreck. It would at least put any doubt to rest DOA is DOA

>>700864612
Kamiya left his previous company on good terms, Itagaki didn't, the sexual harassment charges and payment disputes probably makes him not wanna ever go back, and if he did they probably don't want him

>>700800008
Does anyone actually like Ninja Gaiden beyond using it as a weapon to mock other action games?

>>700866006
I actually like NG a lot even though I dont like a lot of the games in the genre. The first few chapter are pure ludokino.

>>700800008
>>Xbox Direct will have a new game announcement from a "decades old legendary japanese IP" that will make "fans very happy"
Surely it will be Xbox exclusive... right?

>>700820084
>I regret to inform you but skill issue.
Really? What am I missing then? I've been messing around with everything, but I just don't think that anything flows well together. Are there any strings or moves I should be using?

>>700865804
>Kamiya left his previous company on good terms
Everything you said is correct but this is specious at best. Kamiya hated Capcom after they dissolved the original Clover.

>>700863753
>Bitch slaps Kasumi like a rough disciplined father who's disappointed with his own daughter
>Dances with Lisa and seduces her to have sex with him in her room
>Runs his own shop with historical Japanese antiques
>Has a fuck-buddy relationship with Irene which causes Ayane to seethe and is an active topic of discussion for everyone
>Challenges Jeanne Lee to a contest of nunchuck moves to prove who's more masculine
>Tells Hayate to commit Sepuku for being an incompetent little bitch who can't even kill his own little Imoto sister for being a traitor to his village
>Reacts with a thousand yard stare when Zack tells him to put his ass in a helicopter because it would be disrespectful to his Ninja status and pride
>(You) see him fully connect and interact with other Ninja of his caliber from his clan and village. People he's literally grown up with and is friends with despite everything

Hayabusa is based. The problem is that they only allow him to be a real character with cool personality in Dead Or Alive games while keeping him almost silent in his own mainline Ninja Gaiden series for some reason

>>700866006
the original (or black or sigma) is an excellent game everyone should play
the sequels are fun sometimes when they aren't falling apart or doing something unfathomably stupid

>>700867497
Most of these are incredibly generic, non-eventful or borderline retarded.
>doesn't enter a helicopter because "muh ninja code"
>nunchuk contest against a literal who to prove he's more "masculine"
Lmaoo
Fucking Michelangelo is a cooler ninja with an actual personality and probably gets more pussy than than Ryu

>>700867497
>for being a traitor to his village
He should apply his own knowledge and kill Ayane then. Hayate actually had the balls to make Kasumi a fugitive when he recovered. Meanwhile Hayabusa gets insulted by Ayane on the daily.

>>700866508
Windpath.

>>700833005
More need to play RotR.

>>700872725
I will when it leaves the playshitstation 5

>>700832028
Play Jack's game instead.

>>700866006
Really like Black and would recommend it in a heartbeat (IF THEY EVER PUT IT ON OTHER PLATFORMS). 2 is a lot of fun when it isnt stuttering to shit. BUt I like Black more as an overall package
and 3re is fun. NOt as much as the two before, but bone on sword is fun

Really hope they just rip off Sekiro like how Capcom's doing with Onimusha. Button masher action games are fucking garbage. Either way 2D NG Kino is already back on the menu so I don't care.

>>700807265
>>700866508
Most strings are nothing to write home about but it's worth noting that unlike the majority, XXY can be shuriken cancelled so as far as strings go this one should be your BNB. They're all kind of samey really, just swings with a fuckhuge reach which isn't particularly interesting but due do their range you could redirect the attacks by pointing the left stick at other enemies for a finer crowd control.

Air X has a huge reach as well and is a launcher, you can scoop out the enemies you just wind pathed off of. The best thing about it however (applies to in-air XX as well) is how it has no on-land lag so you're free to do whatever you want the moment you touch the ground, be it the running moves, dodge, wind path, jump, etc. Absolutely rapes the dogs too and they can't do anything if you just keep looping air-xx - on land - jump - air xx

The >Y grab is pretty versatile. You can use it either to extend iframes by going into the grab-throw branch or take the enemy in air for a guaranteed decap. The air decap also has no on-land lag.

I like to launch the enemy I just windpathed off of, then land and grab someone else with a >Y into air decap string and then keep moving around.

Also cool but impractical way to humiliate the enemy: Do the River Styx Drop throw which will leave the enemy lying on the ground in pain, then do the off the wall scythe throw. Always decaps them and just brvtal as fuck. No mercy to subhumans.

>>700875049
Time for the daily routine?

>>700874426
>rip off Sekiro like how Capcom's doing with Onimusha
Tell me you haven't played Onimusha without telling me.

>>700874426
Lil bro, NG had a parry mechanic since the first game. You just weren't good enough to use it. So instead of getting good you just want to turn NG into slop. Stop that.

I hate ayane and kasumi in the ng games, their playstyle really feels like a shitty gimped ryu. At least momiji and rachel play different.

>>700875186
Don't wanna shit up the thread too much yet.

>>700807265
>NG1 elitists
And this is bad because?

>>700833005
As the other anon said it's mainly 3RE Dragon Sword moveset, except it also has Gleaming Blade. But what makes it really cool is that it moves forward and also goes into Izuna Drop, which makes you wonder how it wasn't a thing before. It also has a Lunar style for I think the spears.

>>700875049
Alright, thanks for the very detailed reply, anon. Really, I mean it. I'll give that all a try.
>>700875786
Because NG1 is actually the weakest game in the series. This is my personal opinion, anyway.

>QTE sequel happening
can't wait for shills to defend shit

>>700874426
>i hope every franchise becomes exactly the same
kill yourself, and i like sekiro and i'm not a big fan of ninja gaiden

>>700873348
Nah; licensed games are bad. I'll rather keep bonking things with my hammer.

>>700866006
Black is an overall great game. 2 has the highest highs but also the lowest lows.

>>700867497
Ryu in NG1 was supposed to be basically the typical "ninja out for revenge" like a slightly less autistic sasuke to set up his more mature personality from the NES games but the sequels just stopped caring, 2 just doesn't give a shit and 3 is literally retarded

>>700866006
I played Sigma 1 via the Steam collection and found it fantastic.
To be fair I'm the very definition of a casual player.

>>700872725
>soulslop
no

>>700872725
When they port it to PC.

>>700876428
>licensed games are bad.
Not this one. Far better than W:D.

Removal of SoB and no addition of any kind of simon says "press Y to counter" bullshit (Heavily unlikely to happen, they've put similar mechanics in literally every one of their modern games besides the first Nioh)
Redesign of the delimb/UT system. Moves having a semi-random chance to give you an instant kill is retarded and in NG2 some moves had a very high chance to delimb which really trivializes certain "hard" segments. If delimb returns, it needs to be something that can randomly happen off of any moves and it needs to have a specific use beyond instant kill or using it to cheese arenas. It should have some kind of drawback
Bring back essence and rework it, have it be used for multiple other purposes instead of for UT. I really like the mechanic but it was clearly too good/cheesy because of how UT works.
Keep NG3's UT system, remove the ability to charge UT past level 1 without building up bloody rage or w/e it's called. Essence shouldn't be used to charge it.
Keep NG3s dash and cicada surge.
Enemy design and encounters should be a mix of NG1 and NG2. Enemies should feel danagerous and have decently complex AI but shouldn't fill the screen like a musou nor should they have the insane health that they did in NG3.
Difficulty levels that match NG1 where each difficulty would not just mix up enemy placement but add entirely new enemies and would always start you at 0 and mix up item placement. A NG+ system should be added but it should only be if you beat that difficulty already.
Bring back the adventure and platforming/puzzle elements of NG1. Ideally be semi-open world like it was too.
Make extra characters have a bit more depth and deeper movesets.
An actual decent fucking scoring system would be nice.
and please, PLEASE
PLEASE NO LOOT OR RPG BULLSHIT

>>700878131
>Not this one.
That's what everyone says about their favorite games, no matter how bad they are.
I do indulge on licensed garbage from time to time, but not this time.

>>700875975
> which makes you wonder how it wasn't a thing before
Sir, you might wanna revisit NG2.

>>700800945
NG1 Ryu is legit the definition of cool. He didn't waste peoples time with stupid quips or w/e. He was straight to business, extremely stoic. My favorite part of NG1's story is at the end when he's seen at the grave of the girl who died to doku in the village, there was no gay speech he gave, there was no exposition to explain who she was or why he cared. Absolute peak.

>>700831971
Ryu bodies all of them.
Kasumi is the perfect ninja, but she didn't open a dragon's maw from the inside or defeat a giant statue. Ryu canonically defeated Tengu (boss of DOA2), bitch-slapped Kasumi (Dimensions) and defeated Hayate while holding back.
Remember, Kasumi was only cloned because she was captured. Ryu was never captured. He got put the sleep once by his future wife, but that was all part of his plan.

Without weapons, Rachel could probably break the other girls in half with a hug.

>>700878220
>Moves having a semi-random chance to give you an instant kill is retarded and in NG2 some moves had a very high chance to delimb which really trivializes certain "hard" segments.
It's baffling how so many people misunderstand the delimb system. You'd think that after playing NG2 on MN, they would realize how genius the delimb system is, but apparently that's not the case. I'd say that the delimb system feels kind of pointless and poorly designed in NG3, though.

>>700833005
Obviously they remember. Nioh 1 and 2 have hayabusa's you fight with unique skills u can acquire from them that are NG moves, Nioh 2 also has all of NGs ninpo moves. Also, don't forget they have the staff moveset too

Thoughts on Master Collection for a first time? Also are the restoration mods for Sigma 2 any good? My pc isn't strong enough to emulate 360 and I'm not buying a Series.

>>700878791
Good on Pc, use Black mod for Sigma 2. Switch is good for Sigma, everything else is meh with dynamic resolution tanking in both Sigma 2 and 3re.
But if you want the experience every talks about either buy Black and 2OG on Xbox or emulate them on PC. 2 Black doesnt replace 2 (yet)

>>700878663
How is it genius
>inb4 your claim is because you can use it to cheese enemies but cutting their legs off and reducing the amount of fully active enemies that can spawn
It's very slightly better designed in NG3 only because it's a lot less likely to happen from normal moves, the charge heavy attack (not UT) has a decently high chance but it's balanced by being a pretty slow move with no invincibility

>>700878791
Yes just play it. Sigma 1 is better than Black, don't let retards tell you otherwise. I haven't played the "resoration mod" but i've heard some people say the autist who makes it went further than what the original game has, injecting his own "difficulty" which is just more enemy spam. Sigma 2 isn't bad but you HAVE to play it on MN, it's way way way too easy otherwise. I would play that first then mess around with the mod. NG3RE is the definitive version, no arguments from anyone there.

>>700878791
No mod will make Sigma 2 even remotely similar to vanilla 2 because they don't use the same engine. Don't listen to the people shilling that shitty mod.

>>700800008
Who even wants it. Team Negro only knows how to make one kind of game and I really don't want to see Ninja Gaiden turn into some shitty Nioh / Dark Souls clone.

>>700879116
>because they don't use the same engine.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

>>700879283
>Team Negro only knows how to make one kind of game
Yeah tell that to all the people who play their other games and cry that it doesn't play like Nioh, retard.

>>700879391
Okay? Ninja Gaiden is still gonna become shitty Nioh garbage and there's nothing nobody can do about it.

>>700879309
Different engine means different physics, different behavior when it comes to animations and a weaker engine to process objects and visuals.
For example the Sigma 2 engine is intended to work with the weak but at the same time unnecessarily complex PS3 cell processor so if you try to force the same enemy density that the original had the game starts freaking out.
On Vanilla 2 on levels with water if you delimbed someone the arm or leg would fall into the water, do the splash-and-sink sound and sink like a proper object interacting with water; such thing isn't possible with the Sigma 2 engine.
The Sigma 2 engine doesn't support blood like the original; the shitty mod just create clouds and puffs of red kool-aid but it's not even remotely the same
And so on and so on.

>>700879619
None of their games play like each other besides Nioh 1 and 2 and even then there are significant differences. You can't even cope with no jump button since wo schlong and rise of the ronin have them.

go shitpost in another thread, you're out of your depth

>>700800008
>>New Ninja Gaiden merch for sale for NG04's 20th anniversary
What? Where?

>>700879391
>Yeah tell that to all the people who play their other games and cry that it doesn't play like Nioh, retard.
Well, that's the issue: instead of getting a proper Ninja Gaiden you will get another shitty Nioh clone like all the post Nioh 1's Team Ninja output.

>>700879116
>>700879737
>No mod will make Sigma 2 even remotely similar to vanilla 2 because they don't use the same engine

How about you back up your bullshit with a source

>>700800516
Viewtiful Joe

>>700800008
What is Ryu "busy" with?

>>700879091
>How is it genius
Ninja Gaiden 2 is built around the idea that both you and the enemy can die within a few seconds. You can kill the enemy just as easily as they can kill you, and you must do so before they overwhelm you with numbers. The delimb system is there to aid in that; it allows you to dispose of an enemy as quickly as possible. It also encourages and rewards you for playing aggressively, which is what Ninja Gaiden 2 is all about. The delimb system in NG3 feels poorly designed because that dynamic doesn't really exist, so it doesn't really serve a purpose in that game.

>>700833005
Don't forget you get the NotHayabusa character as an ally and you can actually play as him and get to use flying swallow and his shuriken can be used to not just cancel moves early but to dash at the same time. Game is really fun and gives me hope they can do good with NG4.

>>700879882
Literally the first google result. You can also ask the people who works modding Sigma 2 or the anons who actually played both versions.

Honestly I'm surprised that anons who play action games of all genres aren't aware of how absolute the engine is when it comes to this particular genre.

>>700804130
NG3 Vanilla is DMC2 levels of unplayable dogshit

There is another article if you want to read more in depth.

>>700824726
Skulls, fire and lava everywhere, Ryu's fucking screaming at the top of his lungs
Kino boss

>>700880170
>Ninja Gaiden 2 is built around the idea that both you and the enemy can die within a few seconds.
This isn't really true though. In NG1, this was already the case. Enemies dealt a lot of damage but so did you. In NG2, they have a lot more enemies but they deal less damage individually (which they try to balance by them partially dealing "permanent" health) but they die just as quickly as they did in NG1. All delimb does is add a PRESS Y TO AWESOME that breaks up the flow of combat. It doesn't feel smart because NG already had the tools available to quickly dispatch enemies. You also gloss over what I originally said about some moves having a high delimb chance, which makes them spammable which makes the combat boring. In fact you will see this strategy often among most people who post footage of them playing NG2 on MN
>It also encourages and rewards you for playing aggressively, which is what Ninja Gaiden 2 is all about.
You say that like this wasn't the case in NG1. This was the purpose of the essence system in the first place.

Putting a herculean effort to not unleash a trvthnvke or two and insult some anons in this thread.

>>700880958
Go ahead. I like both Ninja Gaiden and Devil May Cry but I'm not a fan of either so I'm neutral when it comes to nukes.

>>700879737
>No examples of how engine changes anything beyond the PS3 being weaker so it couldn't have as many enemies on screen
They play the same dude. It doesn't affect the core. Obviously the games are significantly different in overall gameplay but that doesn't have anything to do with "different engines"

>>700881048
Then we have nothing to talk about.

>>700881131
Oh come on. Don't be an asshole.

>>700881127
>He doesn't realize / understand how much the engine defines a videogame
Do you even play videogames, anon?

>>700831971
How does Hayate measure to each?

>>700880595
>In NG1, this was already the case
No, it was not the case. This dynamic does not really exist in NG1. It's not comparable at all.
>All delimb does is add a PRESS Y TO AWESOME that breaks up the flow of combat.
It doesn't break the flow of combat at all. All OT animations are incredibly short. OTs only give you a moment to breathe and pick out your next target.
>You also gloss over what I originally said about some moves having a high delimb chance, which makes them spammable which makes the combat boring.
It makes them reliable, not spammable. There's a difference.
>You say that like this wasn't the case in NG1
It wasn't. NG1 isn't about playing aggressively. NG1 is a defense-oriented game, as per Itagaki's own words.

>>700880494
The PS3 TES Oblivion is so much better than the Toddslop it's unreal.

>>700881620
Don't be like that, anon; Todd really tries his best

>>700881235
If you knew anything about how games are made you would know the engine has almost absolutely nothing to do with how the game plays, looks, or feels.

>>700882153
It simply a better engine. Loads faster, runs smoother, and they even added AA(no such thing in any console TES) and a special distance filter that made the jelly looking distant textures look like they have additional detail. And the best thing is it doesn't suffer of the save game corruption bug that is present in every other TES on consoles starting with Morrowind.

>>700880278
>My strength comes from training. Not some curse in my blood.
Well, that was a fucking lie

>>700826217
The weak should fear the strong

>>700883609
Post the one where Maria Rose gets hit super hard in the face by the ball.

>>700879391
They cry that it plays like a shittier Nioh, which is true.

>>700878220
>keep NG3s dash
>Enemy design and encounters should be a mix of NG1 and NG2
Retard. The slide would break those games.

>>700884168
Slide doesn't do anything shuriken canceling didn't do.

>>700878220
>redesign the delimb system to add drawbacks and decision-making behind it
>but also remove the one thing that ever gave the delimb system genuine depth and interesting decision-making with potential drawbacks, arguably even comparable to the balanced essence system people want
>that also countered the "insane" health and allowed enemy design/encounters to hit a healthy medium between NG1 and 2
You see what I mean?

Delimbing was a failed experiment. Just get rid of it.

>>700884418
That would make Yaiba non-canon. We can't have that.

>>700884491
I liked the artstyle of Yaiba (at least the parts when it wasn't so obvious how rushed and low budget it was)

Also the premise is just inherently funny to me.
>You know that badass iconic protag from the previous games?
>Yeah, you're not playing as him. You're playing as some literally who chump who got killed by him.
Ryu isn't even the antagonist of the game and doesn't even care about Yaiba. It's like the game itself aknowledging how stupid and pointless it is.

If the devs won't bring back Rachel - I will make my own game with a Rachel like in it and she will have sex with her sister Alma - both in human and demon form. Maybe Momiji as well - but preferably every girl has a sister or mother whom she has a deep incestuous relationship with. Too many wasted designs stuck in games the devs refuse to make.

>>700885246
Sounds cool, better get programming anon.

>>700882645
This right here is exactly why NG1 and NES Ryu is cooler then the others cause they didn't go full on "oh muh dragon blood"

>>700807778
No u gaylord

I recently learned that Itagaki worked as a Senior Advisor on a mobile warship game called "Battleship Empire". I'm pretty sure this was the last game he worked on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfn-3oI6NDo&list=LL&index=1&t=655s

>>700884345
>ever gave the delimb system genuine depth and interesting decision-making with potential drawbacks
I would say the semi-random nature of delimb already achieves that.

The player is always on their toes because delimbing is frequent enough but never guaranteed even in the most extreme cases, and those still get offset by other factors.

You're always making decisions with how often delimbs happen and how they recontextualize your moveset.

>>700878663
yeah it's genius to claw forward+Y into invincible instant kill 200 times in one room

>>700879737
>if you try to force the same enemy density that the original had the game starts freaking out.
why are you bitching about a mod you've never played?

>>700800008
The future is looking bright for TM and NG despite their past 3 games being commercial/critical flops.

I really hope at least one of the girls, preferably Momiji, is playable in the next game as a secondary protagonist, instead of being shoehorned in later on in a different version of the game. Rachel and Ayane are nice too but Momiji's moveset is just way too fun.
I also hope they have a bigger incentive to use more of the moves available, might be a skill issue on my part but I don't use half the moves in NG2 and NG3 unless I feel like it. The rest of the moves outclass them in so many ways but those shitty ones also look really cool so it's a shame. NG2S and NG3's method of increasing enemy health and reducing delimb kinda works, but the long startups and recovery on some of them still make them not worth using especially compared to either UT chaining or SOB.

>>700881235
>UHHH ENGINE CHANGES THE GAMEPLAY BECAUSE UHH UHH BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!
Unless you're gonna come out with a comparison video that proves the actual "physics" or w/e the fuck you were trying to say are different, then you have no grounds for anything.

>>700889412
The somewhat unpredictable nature of delimbing does help to make sure fights never stay entirely the same, but the issue comes with the decision itself being extremely lopsided. If you get a delimb you can immediately combo into OT and kill, and there is no functional reason whatsoever not to do so when delimbed enemies are the most dangerous when left alone and it also gives iframes to let you set up the next delimb, if you don't just use the essence to chain into UTs. Being able to delimb easily just exacerbates the worst aspect of this binary decision making.
SoB on the other hand is actually genius because it turns the delimbed enemies themselves into highly risky resources to apply at your discretion based on how capable you are at navigating enemy groups and how well you understand the enemies themselves and your moveset. Needing to interact once again with their attack makes what limb you target matter much more as well in deciding how to deal with them. And the best part is that the original binary style decision-making still exists in a far better executed version of the niche as a specific enemy type, which ends up making it far more interesting in and of itself.

I beat ng3re on normal but was probably more sloppy than I'd like to admit. How are the harder difficultie? i went to the ninja trial missions and the later ones started tearing me apart so I'll probably start on hard rather than jump to master ninja.

>>700891643
razor's edge fucks you insanely hard and you have so little money for upgrades that you can fuck yourself badly enough to want to restart the whole game

>>700891643
I went to back to 3RE after a long while, and the more I play it on UN, the more I hate it. I used to think this game was fun last time I played it a while ago, but I'm realizing that this game is just kind of poorly designed on UN. It just doesn't feel like a Ninja Gaiden game.

>>700881481
>No, it was not the case. This dynamic does not really exist in NG1. It's not comparable at all.
It does. Large majority of humanoid enemies, all the way up to MN, will die to a simple uppercut into air combo, it doesn't even need to be an izuna drop.
>It doesn't break the flow of combat at all.
Yes it does, it wastes your time with an animation that gets tiring after seeing them for the gorillinth time.
>It makes them reliable, not spammable. There's a difference.
????? You're a mongaloid there is nothing to be gained from arguing with you.
>NG1 isn't about playing aggressively. NG1 is a defense-oriented game, as per Itagaki's own words.
Itagaki is fucking wrong. You literally don't have any constructive thoughts or comebacks. Your arguments amount to going "nuh uh". Itagaki is a hack and doesn't understand what makes his games good which is why his last attempt at a new game was so fucking ass.

Delimb is not a smart system, it exists to show you EPIC!!! UT animations and allows you to cheese the game if you so wish to do so. I accept that they won't get rid of delimbs entirely since it's iconic at this point but it needs a severe overhaul to make it an actual good, engaging system that's not partially based off of randomness, has upsides and downsides, and doesn't feel cheesy.

Obliteration and Dismemberment completely fucked this franchise.
Team Ninja themselves completely fucking gave up on trying to design good enemies with semi consistent behavior and reactions the moment they implemented the idea properly after the first game, because why bother when any enemy is one semi consistent RNG away from an insta kill. Just make every enemy the biggest fucking cunts on earth.
There is nothing in NG2 or Razor's Edge that are as entertaining to fight as the armored soldiers or dudes with shields in the first game. Even the catgirls in the first game are leagues above anything in NG2 and RE because they are doppleganger-lites(flying swallow, guilotine throw equivalent but it can be blocked)
Only good thing you can say about dismembering in NG is that at least they are better than the dismembering in MGR in regards to enemy behavior.

>>700892061
>Itagaki is fucking wrong.
yeah I'm sure you know better than the literal creator of the game
lmao

>>700891643
The harder difficulties are great but get significantly tougher as you go on as NG usually does. It's always a lot of fun and I heavily enjoyed it more and more as I went upwards, especially since you're always improving. You likely want to start on Hard though to get extra practice in and really acclimatize to the game's mechanics, Master Ninja is the main big jump that changes the enemy spawns, then Ultimate Ninja gets even crazier but is an absolute blast if you can handle it and keep up.
>>700892061
I feel like commenting on the idea of NG1 being a defense-oriented game in saying that your defensive options being powerful or easily accessible does not make a game defensive, and likewise your defensive options being weak does not make a game offensive. This does also apply to offensive options on the opposite side as well. Perhaps offense and defence aren't even the words to use at all.

>>700892061
NG1 is defense oriented. It's dodge/block and punish style gameplay. Trying to hit a ninja or an imp in neutral isn't going to work.

>>700884345
I don't. What drawbacks does the delimb system fucking have??? The only decision there is with the delimb system is to not OT so you can cheese the game because of how spawns work or in NG3's case they could be used to bait out SoB. Otherwise, there's no reason to not just go straight into UT because of the i-frames it gives.

If they wanted to balance it and make it more interesting, you could only delimb off of specific slower moves and from UTs. Also make it so delimbed enemies will die from blood loss after a certain amount of time, this would still keep a strategic layer to not kill them but not make it super cheesy.

>>700892385
great argument retard. blocking is severely overrated. any time you block you could've counterattacked which is just objectively better, and in most situations you could've done an invincible attack. ngb is not defensive. actually the game begs you to kill things as quickly as possible and gives you the chance to do it.

>>700892061
>Delimb is not a smart system, it exists to show you EPIC!!! UT animations and allows you to cheese the game if you so wish to do so.
It's not "cheesing" if the game is literally built around it.
Thinking that OTs are just about "being epic" or whatever really shows that you have an incredibly superficial view on these games. I believe you're the "mongaloid" here as you seemingly do not understand these games beyond surface level. Be better.

>>700892385
>A director has never been wrong about his own game, a director has never misunderstand the mechanics or appeal of his own game
Retard. Itagaki is a complete and utter hack who doesn't hold a candle to many other creators who have been around for as long as itagaki with more games and more success under their belt. He literally made two good games and that's it and it's easy to assume that it was less because he was some game design genius and more that he had a good team of people working together to create a great game, people who did not stick with him when he left and decided to make games on his own.

>>700892450
>>700892476
NG1 is defensive and offensive. The core of what makes NG so different from many other action games is how you can be offensive AND defensive at the same time because NG is filled to the brim with i-frames on so many of your attacks and movement options. To say NG1 is not an offensive game is insane, especially when the game punishes you hard for being too defensive with instant unreactable grabs that exist purely to punish defensive play. You do not play NG like a dark souls game where you sit there and hold block until the enemy does some reactable move that leaves them open you play NG like NG which involves a lot of movement and a lot of i-frames. That's not to mention how strong shuriken are as well for holding enemies off, stunning them, canceling your recovery frames, etc.

>>700892846
when there's 500 moves and 490 of them are irrelevant because you could (and should) just go for an invincible instant kill, that's bad design.

NG1 is about punishing enemy openings while 2 and 3 is about forcing openings.

>>700893041
The implication you just made is that 2 and 3 are about mashing

>>700891925
>you have so little money for upgrades
At the end of every chapter you always get enough money to upgrade a weapon or a ninpo, and there is nothing to spend money on except skills; you have zero reason to upgrade health unless you're so stuck and the checkpoint is so far behind/away that you want to upgrade it just to get past that one gauntlet.
Only part where money is even remotely a problem is the first chapter where the fucking morons at Team Ninja thought jumping on enemy heads, flying swallow, etc. should be locked behind a skill you have to purchase, but even those you can acquire mid mission just fine.
Even if you fucked yourself over just reload to your last autosave bird, like any other game before it.

Is there an unironic detailed, no BS guide on the innerworkings of how NG3RE works? Because it clearly has so many changes to the attacks and how enemies and their AI work and I have no clue how it works. Enemies just have so much health or will block so much and I don't know how to subdue them, it's not the same as it is in other games. Not to mention those alchemist cunts

>>700893265
This is why I'm starting to dislike 3RE. It just feels like the enemies just don't play under any rules. It's fucking nuts.

>>700892476
Rachel gave me a vore, leather, and ryona fetish.

NG2 has one of the coolest looking opening levels in an action game and then the rest of the game looks like complete and utter ass outside of some parts of the airship mission. What happened?

>>700892562
When SoB exists you're forced to consider how to interact with delimbed enemies and yes, not OT immediately due to there being far greater potential reward in landing the SoB. That inherently invites the risk and drawbacks of enemies being able to just grab and murder you, a risk that steadily increases as more enemies both healthy and delimbed surround and attack you. You also have to weigh up if you need the iframes from OT to survive, if the Ki from OTing would be enough for Ninpo etc. at that moment and how the enemy itself might interact with either SoB or OT. I say all that while also thinking OTs themselves are obsolete and wholly unnecessary but the reason is because of the existence of Izuna Drop, Guillotine Throw and again specifically now SoB. This is why what I was alluding to was an earlier post about how any time people talk about what they want in a new NG, they just describe 3RE to a tee.

Speaking of which, heavy attacks later in strings are already more effective at delimbing in 3RE I believe, but entirely removing the possibility would not make it more interesting, it would just make fights more predictable and one note. UTs especially shouldn't be the only method of doing so and I don't know why you'd suggest that if your goal is to remove the idea of cheesing with iframe animations. But delimbed enemies dying from blood loss is an even worse idea and would immediately devolve into people just always running away since it enabled the most cheesy possible method. These games are all focused on high risk engagements, and they manage that by always forcing you to at least interact with the enemy in question.

>>700893620
you're supposed to use heavy attack strings when the enemy is being defensive. there's a tutorial prompt for this in level 1. you can also use charged heavy, flying swallow, GT, wind path, 360Y

>>700876428
>posts a worse game souls-wannabe slop.
Great bait.

>>700891239
I mean it kind of happens naturally in my gameplay at least, maybe I OT the delimbed enemy, or maybe I instakill him in some other way (of which there are plenty with their own drawbacks and the severed limb plays a role here too). or maybe I leave him alone to focus on fighting the healthy enemies. It's only binary if you look at it in a vacuum, and this doesn't apply exclusively to NG2's system. Though I'll drop the pretense any of this matters when the game throws abysmal dogshit in your path

>>700893856
Woah....instead of getting one insta-kill you're telling me I can wait instead to get the chance to insta-kill THREE ENEMIES? What a deep and strategic decision!!

Literally not reading after the first sentence because if you failed to see the problem with that sentence then you literally have nothing of value to say, you're, pardon the french, a nincompoop

>>700832028
LoTF is trash. Took them another year from launch to go from trash to mediocre.

>>700894060
typical ng2 dick sucker doesn't understand the most basic risk-reward decision or even an action game would want to reward the player for dodging

>>700893856
SoB is a garbage mechanic that's just as bad as UT spamming. It takes very little effort or skill to do a SoB bait and the reward is humongous. The risk/reward is far too lopsided.

>>700894170
I don't suck NG2's dick, I don't like the delimb system at all and wish it didn't exist but you trying to suggest that SoB makes it more interesting is way more retarded. SoB is arguably an even worse system. I hate those simon says type mechanics. They're insta-kill mechanics that severely lack any depth or strategy and again, keeping delimbed enemies on the ground so you can abuse the spawn system is not an interesting strategy. It's unironically just cheese, cheese that is sometimes necessary because some test of valors are stupidly fucking long in both NG2 and NG3 and insanely boring

Man I want a new NG but I have no idea of what to expect. It's not just the games team ninja has made in the past but how all 3 NGs are different enough that it obviously causes a lot of arguments about which is better, which are bad, what mechanics are good, etc. Who knows what game they're gonna base the next NG on, who knows what mechanics they'll remove or keep, who knows what they might add that could completely change how it plays.

>>700893856
>not OT immediately due to there being far greater potential reward in landing the SoB. That inherently invites the risk and drawbacks of enemies being able to just grab and murder you, a risk that steadily increases as more enemies both healthy and delimbed surround and attack you.
The only risk you invite is not getting the full reward of SoB if enemies aren't around. If you keep them delimbed, the SoB attack is predictable and your heavy attack would instantly give you invincibility if it's used at the right time to counter a red attack. The AI rarely waits to use the attack unless you're out of range obviously.

Just not sure why people want to defend these mechanics so bad. I just get sick of them because there aren't enough animation variations

>>700894547
Yeah cant wait for the great filtering.

>>700894050
I wouldn't say it can't happen naturally, or even that people wouldn't go out of their way not to do so. The problem is the game is entirely designed (or half-designed since I only consider this specific system complete in 3RE) around making this the most rewarding, most encouraged and most sensible option in all given scenarios. Why leave him alone and fight healthy enemies where he can potentially sneak up and erase your health when you can kill him safely and then shred the healthy enemies more easily on top of that? There's no reasoning outside of "I just don't want to do that anymore", and while every game uses that to a degree, this system is designed so hard around pushing you towards it in every possible way and disincentivizing other interactions that aren't also just separate instakills like you say. All very satisfying to do thanks to the animations, but that's really all.
>>700894060
Oops you just got stuck in guard trying to wait it out while someone shot at you and got grabbed. Time to go back to the start of the fight. Oh no you got an SoB but a shield guy just ate it, guess you should've thought about setting it up properly. Reading would do you a lot of good, it helps with that perspective thing.

>>700894335
The only thing you're even close on is that SoB's reward could be reduced a little, though I would say it should go down to 3 kills instead of 4 which is ironic when people against it don't even know how many human kills it gives. Which seems fair when the risk is a slow death leading into an extremely fast death.
>>700894407
Depth and strategy means a lot more than what buttons the game says you have to press. Shocking I know. More shocking still is that Ninja Gaiden enemies have this earned reputation of never leaving you alone and constantly being an aggressive threat you have to deal with. This doesn't change when you decide you want to SoB yet for some reason everyone likes to pick and choose when to apply one of the most lauded, consistent aspects of the series. It's how you approach the entirety of the fight with all the enemies in mind, many with their own distinct ways and requirements for SoB, that the depth and strategy is derived. Shrugging it off as just "insta-kill", especially in this series, is missing the forest for the trees.
>>700894924
I think dying is a pretty big risk, either from missing the SoB or being forced to fight more enemies. When an enemy uses an SoB attack, and what SoB attack they can even do depends on the limb they've lost, you would be amazed at the behaviour of some enemies. Even if you predict them due to that, you're still waiting for their attack while other enemies are also attacking, which erases much of the benefits any predictability would offer.

>>700895942
nobody asked, fag.

How do I into ninja gaiden?
With the version differences, I mean.

>>700896107
Just pick up the MC.

>>700896107
Master Collection's the best approach.

>>700896107
For 1 and 2, there's two versions each. For 3 there's only one definitive version to play, the other you can try if you want but is worse in almost every way.
For 1 there's Black and Sigma. Black is harder due to things like enemy placements and overall scaling, but also because water running is harder, you can't heal while you're grabbed, and you can't shoot your bow midair iirc. All these are the opposite in Sigma. However, I think you lose out on some enemy types. Sigma also adds a new weapon, dual swords, which are quite nice. It changes weapon pickup locations, removes one weird backtrack early in the game, and has some extra missions where you play as Rachel. Her gameplay is very counter heavy, not very varied, but she has very nice tits and I used to jerk off to her a lot. Overall, the differences between the Black and Sigma aren't too big, I'd recommend doing a playthrough in both if you have the time, or just play Black if you don't.
For 2, there is vanilla and Sigma. Sigma pretty much reworks the balancing of the combat as well as the game's economy. Originally the game is heavily based around having plenty of enemies, but they each aren't very tough and can be insta killed after delimbing them. Sigma has enemies with more health, much more resistant to being delimbed, and some enemies have increased damage compared to their vanilla counterparts. Grabs are also much more telegraphed, which I consider a welcome change. Sigma also adds one new weapon, a greatsword, as well as 3 other playable characters with one mission each, Momiji, Ayane and Rachel. I never played as them enough to tell, but I feel like they aren't that fun to play as except Momiji. For 2, the version you play first will dictate how you feel about the other. I played vanilla first and I hate Sigma. Others played Sigma first and hate vanilla. Either way, hope you have fun with it.

>>700878468
>NG1 Ryu is legit the definition of cool.
He's not Blade.

>thread shitting on OTs while praising actual garbage like SoB
truly terrible thread

>>700896647
god of war execution shit is cringe

>>700896861
god of war executions and OTs are not the same dumbass

>>700845435
Equip the charm that boosts kick attacks and spam the Vigoorian flail's forward yyy attack. It melts them.

>>700878342
>>700888084
>>700889412
have you ever seen tomonobu itagaki and tommy wiseau in the same room ??

>>700866006
NGB is a pretty cool game. I like it alot

why do DMC enemies catch alotta flack on this board? DMD exists, like hello???

>>700896634
Sigma is the one that has harder enemy placements with more encounters, certain enemies that outright do more damage and certain enemies that are more aggressive in groups. Water running is "harder" in that you have to mash a button but there is barely anything to punish you for not doing so, while Sigma adds an encounter in that area.

I hope he retcons Nero

>>700897964
I'd be surprised if he directs anything else after Okami 2.

>>700897927
it's from people who haven't played the game. dmc1 has great enemies

>>700878468
>NG1 Ryu is legit the definition of cool
Shame every variant of his tacticool ninja armor makes him look like a lifelong leather club member

>>700897958
I didn't know that. I played Sigma first on normal, made it around halfway on hard. Then tried Black on hard, found the enemies to be harder overall, maybe I just remembered wrongly.

>>700895148
I dont think it's a fair assessment to say the game is "designed" or "intended" to be played like that given how there's plenty of things across the board that don't actively contribute to that loop or even contradict it and how not playing that way is still feasible to a degree. I just like how open ended the systems can get and how they intersect with each other when the game does work I guess. Same with the rest of the series.

>>700800535
her outfit looks like she's being hazed.

>>700897964
I hope he makes the real Devil May Cry 2 that takes place after DMC5(retcon it again), and the only aspect he is forced to keep in DMC2 is Lucia and the mustached king of the world.

>>700898276
I still can't figure out what the idea is behind her outfit. Momiji is a shrine maiden, her outfit somewhat reflects that. Ayane and Kasumi have some different outfits but they look vaguely ninja or Japanese like. Ryu is modern ninja for the 2000s. I would understand if Rachel is supposed to be a dominatrix but all she does is get her shit kicked in by everything.
Not complaining tho, one of my fav sexy character designs in games.

>>700898515
>what the idea is behind her outfit.
Itagaki, much like Kojima, is a massive westaboo. I have no doubt in my mind that he saw the cover art of Heavy Metal FAKK2, thought it was the hypest shit ever, and told the artists to copy the homework.

>>700898686
Fair, I just wish it translated to her personality more, or at least is talked about more. Then again I could say the same for a lot of things in the series.

how do I beat the ryu doppelganger in ninja gaiden sigma?

>>700898265
Maybe, but I'm largely quoting the diehard fans of the game in that regard who routinely say the game is designed around OTs (even in this thread) when it is a system that can actively override parts of your moveset. I'm also not sure what doesn't actively contribute to the loop of being able to delimb, OT and UT when all of your attacks can delimb, delimbing is one of the most powerful things you can do without resources thanks to interrupting and opening up OTs and there isn't just no value to not doing so but every reason to do so.
>I just like how open ended the systems can get and how they intersect with each other when the game does work I guess
I can understand and respect that, but you can do it in the game that hates you for it or one of the games that love you for it, that's really how I see it. Every voice and playthrough I see on the game seems to echo that first sentiment as well when trying to make it "work".

>>700898879
Guilotine Throw during his recovery frames.
Counter attacks
Cheese him above the bookshelves.
Cheese him with the dual katanas.
https://youtu.be/Db6QkoJ3sZo?si=ThzG71L3zIUEa6TI

>>700800008
Are there any good hot playable female protagonists action games I can play on pc or emulate? Well besides Stellar Blade recently.
asking for a friend

>>700899496
Razor Edge

>>700899496
Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge, Bayonetta, not the best but Kunoichi is cool. There's Bloodrayne but it plays like dogshit.

>>700899840
Mandatory Ayane, more like A-yamero.
I'll sooner suffer 30 Rachel chapters.
>chapter challenge has Momiji
No thanks, voice in my head. I don't want to waste time unlocking that, I need gratification now.

>>700831971
Ryu >>>>> Rachel > Kasumi >= Ayane > Momiji

>>700900437
Don't you diss my tsun queen like that

>>700899496
Nioh lets you transform into NPCs including the female ones once you meet them, while Nioh 2 and Wo Long also just straight up have character creation so how hot your protagonist is is its own skill ceiling. Stranger of Paradise also lets you play as the other female party members.

>>700800008
>Ninja Gaiden 4 happening
Please no, first 3 were bad enough. I can't believe I let /v/ trick me into finishing Black. Waited for the game to get good and it never did.

>>700901106
Oh, and I forgot to say I'm a raging homosexual.

>>700901191
We know Itagaki. You're also a complete hack.

>>700866006
No. They're unironically complete dogshit compared to any Capcom action game. They were only popular because of console exclusivity.

>>700897927
people that havent played any DMC entry assume that all the 5 hater complaints about it being easy apply to the whole series.

Can you even blame them when an idiot(s) spend years dedicated to talking about how they hate 5 rather than talking about the entries that they actually like?

>>700899168
Oh yeah fair enough.
>I'm also not sure what doesn't actively contribute
I mean there's still a whole lot of "traditional" properties and hit states to take advantage of, although delimb does its best to obfuscate them. Thats where S2 comes into play

Anyway Ill be going now, always nice to talk NG with someone outside of the reddit bubble

>>700897964
He likes RPGs? Fighting games, I am not surprised since it ised to mean anything with fighting, but RPGs?

>>700902348
Ah I see what you mean, they definitely are still in there but I suppose it just goes right back to what I was saying in the end, and it's unfortunate how it all gets stifled.
>spoiler
How can you dare to say something so correct?
Though for me 3RE goes above and beyond it overall to finish the job and really bring out the most fun, interactive and intense it can be.
Likewise, it's fun to have a good talk about the series, except I've never touched reddit. But till next time, and hopefully the upcoming announcement spells good things and shows some concrete gameplay footage.

>>700854583
Gay af

>>700836530
>The flower fields make up the same colors as essence pickups
kino

>>700837347
You don't want that. The DOA trio are shitters who get tard wrangled by Ryu. Everytime Hayate, Ayane or Kasumi try talking back to or try to fight Ryu (lolwut) he just beats them down. And Torn Sky Blast is a shit-tier Ninpo that Ryu mastered for the lulz and doesn't come close to the top tier Hayabusa Clan ninpo.
Murai and Genshin would run a train on thenDOANcast. Like Ayane and Kasumi, Hayate would only beat up some jobber mid-boss since only Ryu can keep up with the big dick threats.

>>700906316
Not him but that sounds like a lot of potential windows for plot threads and character interactions in a new game, giving Ryu more people to play off of in different ways is one thing that's been holding the stories and setting back.

>>700836116
Ryu beat her with his FISTS and spared her life. Nyotengu is a DOA-tier threat which means she poses no danger to Ryu and the Dragon Sword is not needed.

>>700836083
Yeah, and she lost to me. And I am weaker than my hero, Ryu Hayabusa. That's right. My OC is weaker than Ryu Hayabusa! My OC has to use pseudo-Soulslike combat, so he is objectively weaker than Ryu Hayabusa!

>>700905585
He cut ties with the nft game a week before the market crashed.
He currently has his own new studio that has announced nothing so far.

>>700906510
No, those fun character interactions should be left to DOA. It's more appropriate there since fighting games have a diverse cast of characters for Ryu to bounce off of. Jann Lee and Ryu had their nunchuck duel in DOA4, and Zack is a frequent customer of Ryu's shop. Those interactions would be a waste on NG since you're obviously not going to play as (relatively) normal people like Jann and Zack in Ninja Gaiden. If NG is about Ryu doing his job, then DOA is the closest we're gonna get to Ryu's personal life.
Ninja Gaiden should stick to being about Ryu going all out against fiends, rival ninja and all sorts of amazing threats. DOA should have the character interactions through stuff like story mode and arcade endings.

>>700906548
>>Ryu beat her with his FISTS and spared her life
Dont forget nyo got sopping wet from that.

>>700906631
still an extremely rotten business. I never expected an NFT game to actually take off, but it was still a waste of time to try and cash in on a bubble. I hope his new studio can make something cool but the gaming landscape has changed a lot since he last made a game (and his last game was some weird halffinished title). Fighting games arent doing too hot, neither does action adventure. Teams became bigger and perfectionism is poison if you want to release a game in a reasonable timeframe.

>>700906941
>Fighting games arent doing too hot, neither does action adventure
I still get matches in GGXXAC+R, CentralFiction and SF6. Amazed that people still play GGXXAC+R and CentralFiction. Those games are the Smash Melee of the traditional fighter genre. Strive is a guilty pleasure Tbh, the only reason why MK and Tekken are failing is because of retarded business decisions. I can't speak too much on MK, but Tekken feels like shit to play because of the heavy focus on rushdown leaving no room for defensive play, awful MTX/DLC practices, gimmicks and Bamco's "don't ask me for shit" attitude regarding player feedback. Granted, a lot of these issues were present in T7, but Bamco doubled down on these issues with T8.
And DOA6 failed because of similarly stupid decisions as well. I feel that DOA7 can make a big comeback in the 3D fighter space if Team Ninja went the Nioh route of handling DLC with each update being an expansion with tons of content. Plus, they should embrace the hot chicks and badass men philosophy that the earlier games were marketed with. As for gameplay, I honestly believe DOA feels better to play than Tekken. It's just the stuff surrounding the game needs to be handled better.

Why invest in a Kasumi clone and experiment on Hayate when Ryu is a higher-tier ninja?

>>700864158
she kind of does from time to time

>>700908678
You really believe that crap of cloning the ultimate warrior? Just look at her, look at how she was suspended naked in slime. They wanted a kasumi fuckdoll and I dont blame them

>>700908678
Because getting close enough to Ryu to get a DNA sample of him would be very difficult. He's the most competent ninja by far and the strongest man on the planet. It's easier to clone some B-tier ninja and give them some genetic enhancements. The power gap between Ryu and the rest of the DOA cast is insane since he mogs them without the Dragon Sword. He's the Yujiro/Akuma of DOA. Nobody is going to get close to the guy.

Even if you disregard the power gap that make it damn near impossible for the rest of the verse to catch up to Ryu, catching Kasumi and Hayate is easier since they're more emotional and impulsive than Ryu.

>>700909268
So how strong would that put Regent of the Mask/Theodore from Ninja Gaiden 3 since he was able to keep up with Ryu?

>>700910236
Theodore was getting beat up in the first fight until he cursed Ryu, and he still lost to Ryu while he was weakened by the Grips of Murder and wasn't using the Dragon Sword. If Theodore lands the curse on Hayate/Kasumi/Ayane, then it's GG. Otherwise, I'd say he's slightly stronger than them. Compared to other rivals, Fiend Murai and Fiend Genshin are stronger than Theodore because they kept up with full-power, TDS Ryu.

>>700910820
You're right, but I feel Theodore was pretty strong as a pure human compared to the rest.

>>700911010
I feel like Theodore is the western equivalent of ninja since he uses magic and alchemy which is the same shit as ninpo for all intents and purposes. He's closer to being a ninja than a normal human. Guys like Bayman and Jann are more emblematic of how strong normal humans can become in the NG/DOA world.

>>700911373
>I feel like Theodore is the western equivalent of ninja since he uses magic and alchemy which is the same shit as ninpo for all intents and purposes. He's closer to being a ninja than a normal human.
That's pretty much how they seemed to work that for him.

>>700911615
In retrospect, Theodore being a "western ninja" kinda aligns with NG3 being a game designed to appeal to the Western audience. Hopefully, that won't be the case for NG4.

>>700909268
>DNA sample of him
This throwaway statement made me wonder; what is the birthrate of Hayabusa village.
Think about it. That village gets destroyed so often with many dying that it is amazing that there still are enough people to keep it operating by DOA6 and after.
I don't remember DOA or NG ever stating that they get new recruits outside of the village regularly, and why would it when enemy ninja clan remnants alongside fiend monsters fuck about within a mile of the village, on top of a massive ninja graveyard nearby that definitely draws in bad vibes.
In Dragon Sword, Sigma 2 and Razor's Edge we see that ninja kids indeed exist, so villagers are indeed fucking, but it can't be enough to be sustainable past a few generations.

>>700912694
Realistically it's just not that deep since Team Ninja doesn't think that far ahead in terms of story. Otherwise I assume that the clan was only slaughtered in the first game, in the 2nd game it doesn't seem like that many were killed maybe they retreated in the mountains or something.
The porn-brained answer I will base off a Momiji animation from Lewdgazer, in that she's basically the clan breeder or something. Maybe they have specific customs to combat low birthrate where they have massive orgies or something idk.
I do hope in a sequel they show more of the village tho, the flavour text in the 2nd game makes everything sound really cool and mythical, I'd also like to see Ryu and Momiji interact more with each other and the village outside of combat situations.

>>700913676
>I'd also like to see Ryu and Momiji interact more with each other and the village outside of combat situations.
"Please break up with that CIA glowie, stop pining for my dead sister and have sex with me to continue the Hayabusa bloodline."

>>700897927
DMC1 is the only DMC with a good DMD mode. Every entry after completely shits on the concept. DMC3 being the absolute worst offender (not counting DMC2 no one cares).

DMC5 has decently designed enemies but it's still a matter of finding the thing whatever puts them in a juggle-able state and playing a singleplayer rhythm game on them.

>>700897964
I love how Kamiya sets up all this lore and aspects of DMC1 that get completely ignored afterwards.
Alastor > DSD

Also, if there isn't bad blood at Platinum, I would really love for him to make the DMC x Bayonetta crossover he's talked about before. Even if it's literally just like Bayonetta as a skin or something

Speaking of, is there a TL;Didn't Play for DoA lore since it's directly tied to ninja gaiden.

>>700800008
Team ninja only made 1 good game then drop the ball
Nioh and chingchong souls are so dogshit and literally the worst soullike every made

>>700900984
>Rachel that high

No

>>700917318
Non clone Kasumi and Momiji are normal humans with ninja training.
I forget what the deal with Ayane's rapist dad was but her heritage gave her powers or something. But it should not compare to Rachel's fiend blood and Ryu's dragon blood, regardless of the latter stating his power comes from his ninja training

>>700918447
Kasumi is cloned because she is a genius prodigy that mastered the secret Mugen Tenshin tehniques as a child. Hayate still can't do them to this day.

>>700916171
NG1 and 2 takes place 2 years before DOA so there is no need to know DOA lore. There is a bit of relevant lore in the game manual

>>700909268
There is a million of Hayabusa clones. Did you even play NG?

>>700878468
>He was straight to business, extremely stoic
Overused trope. You can be serious and stoic and still have some semblance of personality, but most of the time it just results in a bland and uninteresting character. Ryu very clearly falls into the latter category.

Hayabusa has been cloned in every NG and his clones are all easy to control because of his inhuman blood making them easily puppeted by magic. Dunno where you guys get this "Hayate and Kasumi are easily controlled that why they clone her" when Kasumi clones go rouge all the time and cause damage to DOATEC in almost every DOA.

Does Ryu even know that all his ninja training wasn't at all the only reason he's so strong and it turns out his blood also mattered? How did he even react to this information

>>700915928
nah 3 DMD is goated
4 also a good dmd mode
fuck off

>>700915237
Nah she should have oneeshota sex with Sanji instead

they can guarantee a success with NG4 by making bestgirl the main character