>last thread deleted because of the H word
why

Tales of Hebephillia

Pro tip for all you gamers stuck on hard Cedric. dualize your shit

You should have a bunch of elemental gems to put on your weapons. Dualize em on to your weapons and then temper them out so you can get them as an equipable item. The gems help massively with hitting weaknesses and provide a big damage boost.

Cedric is weak to burn btw

>>700791186
I'm kinda confused, like i'm dualizing shit and then they become tempered. What next? should I dualize it into a gem? that's gonna get rid of the stat boosts on my armor and weapons which kinda sucks.

>>700791186
Decision paralysis. I dualized nothing because I fear I may lock myself out of some obscure stat boost or something. For what it's worth, I'm on Evil difficulty with just 5x damage multiplier and am approaching the Wahlbridge.

>>700791906
No, I'm pretty sure you keep the stat boosts. The skill get extracted when you dualize a gem, but you keep whatever raw stat boost the shards gave.

After you've tempered 2 weapons you dualize them together. the weapon returns to its base state with no additional effects but keeps the stat boost its got from dualizing hence the +1, +2, etc and you can dualize them with gems again to repeat the process. The lost bonus effects get put on the equippable gem you can put on any character

This gem I made for example counts as Asbel hitting both a Paralysis and Burn weakness all the time which is massive and as you can see add huge damage bonus

>>700791186
Shards are pain in the ass to get at that point of the game

>I'm pretty sure you keep the stat boosts
I think there are percentage of that. Since i cant keep my 1cc bonus after extracting / dualizing

Like other Tales games, they failed to explain the game mechanics again with Graces. Oh well, since im playing on Moderate anyway so it doesnt matter.

So asbel just ghosted his childhood friend for 7 years?

>>700792828
Ghosted everyone. Mom and pops were blocked out. Who the fuck is Cheria. Richard could've been locked in a dungeon by his uncle and Asbel wouldn't have known or cared because he was doing whatever bullshit the Academy was making him do.

>>700792795
Your own fault for skipping tutorials, there's a book to review everything.

>>700792828
Nigga went off the grid for 8 years just larp as a knight in training and couldn't even graduate lol

>>700793086
The tutorial is literally just less than 100 words box screen. They do this since Symphonia

>>700790367
>finished FE Engage
>can now move on to Tales of Graces
>though I do have DQIII HD.

>>>/vrpg/3699362

I didn't think ToP Narikiri Dungeon would be that dark. Chester is just left out.

They saw how fucking everyone hated Sodia in Vesperia and then just made the exact same character again

>>700793282
>fucking everyone hated Sodia in Vesperia
She's a good character doe

>>700793282
Sodia the female knight or the midget mage?

>>700793164
I don't recall Symphonia having any mechanics overly complicated. The only dumb stuff is EX gem combinations idk what they were smoking with that shit.

>>700793374
They started to do this shit often with Abyss and their FoF circles

>>700793374
The secret lv3 techs were absurd. How the fuck would you ever figure out how to do Falcon's Crest or Fanged Finality.

Cameo "Qualities" didnt exist in Graces Remaster, right ??

>>700793470
Those get explained and are super easy
>enough fire attacks produce an active fire circle
>do fire Arte inside the circle to modify it into a stronger flashier version of it
There

>download for the artbook was shared here
so what's the BGM?

>>700792795
This is why i never, EVER playing any Tales games on Hard. Even with 2nd playthrough.

Why do ESLs play games they can't read

>>700794126
what's the point of difficulty modes anymore as you get older?

>>700793374
Mystic Arte on Symphonia are just pure bullshit, for example : To activate Presea MA, all your party needs to be Dead and you must be under 25% health

>>700792614
well thats nice to know

hows Graces F, bros? i want to play it after Rebirth
i've only played Arise (dogshit) and some of Symphonia as a kid. what am i in for? the girls seem very cute

How it run on switch?

>>700794349
Runs like shit but Bamco hates making switch versions

Fucking hate how the game doesn't explain which DLC were DLC back in the day and I should activate like legacy costumes and which are cheats that grant me titles or costumes that should be unlocked normally in the playthrough

>>700794349
30fps

>>700794349
how does literally anything run on shitch?
like pure unadulterated dogshit
get a mans vidya device

at this point i just want a 2D collection for the 30th anniversary. unless they remake them in 3D, I can wait.

>>700794349
Just use your laptop to play Graces at 60fps

>>700790367
My favorite part was how the MC guy completely blows off his childhood friend to obsess over Sophie the entire game.

>>700794527
sounds extremely based

>>700794527
Based

Robot pussy > all

>>700794527
Based.
Sex with Hebes
Sex with Sophie

>>700794349
Legitimately worse than it does on the Wii

>>700792795
tales games on the higher difficulties are actually hard as shit
I berseria is the first one where you could play on the absolute hardest mode and its still easy

>>700794527
i know what it feels like to be blown off.

>>700794380
How the fuck that even happens?

>>700795147
Why you want Switch anyway ? Use your fucking PC

>>700795147
2015 android tablet can 3x the original's resolution but at that point it can no longer maintain 60fps.

>>700794304
For the longest time Tales games were made back and forth between two teams: Team Destiny and Team Symphonia. The former made the 2D games, more focused on combat. The latter the 3D games, more focused on story. Graces was the first and last game Team Destiny made in 3D, before the teams merged. It's fine, in a way the last of the 'classics' even if it already got rid of the overworld (sort of). Great skits and party banter. Weak narrative. Either an overcomplicated mess of a combat or the best combat in the franchise to this day depending on who you ask.

i bet the switch 2 will run better than it's predecessor.

>>700795353
lol, lmao even

Whats with Switch obsession ? Its literally just a Mario device

>>700794527
He fucked and impregnated her in the end though so she won.

>>700795706
this
i don't get why people get so triggered at the mere mention of it

>obsession
the only people obsessed with it are tendies, who are delusional cucks

Anal

So which one do I play? PS3 or the Remaster?
I heard ps3 has more costumes?
Was the remastered censored in anyway?
Will there be lewd mods for sophie

we have a list of costumes?

>>700798039
Remaster has 120fps (ignore Switch)
Remaster has Grade shop unlocked at the beginning of the game to save time
No censorship.
Only Licensed costumes (aka Costume from other Anime / IP like Code Geass, Miku) were removed

>>700798418
>has Grade shop unlocked at the beginning of the game to save time
What does grade shop do
>Only Licensed costumes (aka Costume from other Anime / IP like Code Geass, Miku) were removed
I wonder if people are going to patch them back in like they did for LC
>No censorship.
Alright nice.

>>700798528
Those costumes never came to the west btw. Not even back on the PS3, they were Japan only so you'd be getting the same experience playing on PS3

>>700798528
>What does grade shop do
Grade shop is typically a NG+ thing in Tales games. Where you can spend Grade points you earned throughout the game on bonuses to use in NG+ like XP/Money modifiers or other things of that nature.

>>700798528
Time saver stuff like Double / Triple SP / EXP / Item Drops
Great for someone who is have little free time and old as fuck like me

Anal

>bryce goes crazy in the forest
>completely rocks my shit
Fucking hell I forgot how squishy Hubert is. Was absolutely useless

>>700799743
is jewish

>>700793532
>>700794230
oh sure that's true, they're not really vital to gameplay though so meh.

>>700798657
>>700798671
>>700798758
Thanks anons! I guess pc/remaster it is!

>>700799824
the guy's level 49 if you check his stats, I was not ready for that at 33.

bro what the fuck is the timing on dodging for CC. In xillia it was super generous, in this game it feels fucking frame perfect. Is there a title i need to fucking search for to make it feel better? I noticed that recovery was locked behind one of the 100 available.

>Not reading the battle book in Tales
Havent you learned from Manual Cancels being super important in Vesperia?

>>700800950
>bro what the fuck is the timing on dodging for CC.
lol
lmfao
finally
FINALLY I AM FUCKING VALIDATED
OTHER PEOPLE SHARE MY VIEWS ON THIS FUCKING SHIT
IT ONLY TOOK 13 YEARS!

>>700800950
Skill issue

>>700800727
Yeah I did afterwards. He was my first game over. Redid it with Sophie/Cheria/Pascal and cleared it at 33. I am playing on Moderate though.

MY MISSION
IS TO KILL DHAOS

>>700801089
>people think PS3 Vesperia is the best game of all time for a decade
>it rereleases
>"you know, maybe it's not so..."
>people think Graces' combat is the best in the series for a decade
>it rereleases
>"you know, maybe it's not so..."
I'm sensing a pattern here

>>700801326
Yeah flaws become obvious when people have a fresh perspective.
People glorified Vesperia because of NG+ shenanigans and they didn't remember what a slog the combat could be early on.

Tales of Hebephillia

>>700801673
Presea, Elise and Anise are better smalls than those.

>>700801326
I’m having the opposite reaction. I’m enjoy Graces a lot more than I thought would after not playing it for a decade

>>700801792
*Hebes

>>700801085
Reading is gay, I learn my tech by watching solos

>skip all the 2D PS2 games but localize Legendia which was a hot mess and had its entire second half undubbed
>wait 2 years to port Phantasia GBA instead of just localizing the PSP version that came out that same year in Japan
>don't bother localizing the DS games even though the DS was a massive success in the west
>localize Eternia PSP but only in Europe
>take Microsoft's bribe and put your first next-gen title in a weebshit series on the fucking dudebox 360 which none of your audience owns
>make PS3 port and then don't release it in the west condemning gaijin fans to seethe about PS3 Vesperia for a decade
>but you know what game they thought the west *would* want? THIS GODAWFUL SYMPHONIA SEQUEL BAYBEEEEE OH WHAT'S THAT THEY DISLIKED IT? AND WE RELEASED IT ON THE FUCKING WII??? FUCK IT NO MORE TALES FOR 'EM
>four years later they actually start localizing the rest of ther PS3 games ie Graces and Xillias which is a good step except you waited 2 fucking years after each game's Jap release to do it
>Zesteria
>ok that was a dumpster fire but look they're actually localizing it within the same year and they're doing PS4/PC ports! Oh wait they're just straight up ports that fixed absolutely none of the issues or complaints of the original game
>localize the mobage games Asteria and Rays but forget to tell anyone about it shutting them down shortly after in the west
>"put more effort" into Crestoria except that game was shit and it died in 6 months lmfao
>Arise is a surprise hit and best seller but forget to strike while the iron is hot so it takes you three years to release its DLC comprised almost entirely of reused assets and bosses
What in the everloving name of FUCK did Bandai Namco mean by all this?

How come Pascal never comes up as one of the Tales girls people constantly thirst over?

>>700801326
>people think Graces' combat is the best in the series for a decade
>it rereleases
>"you know, maybe it's not so..."
I'm replaying it, still think it's the best combat. All though for tales series, it's not saying much. They are all glorified visual novel games with spam [attack button] combat mixed in most of the time, so anything that is slightly better is like a breath of fresh air

>>700802064
she's a stinky femcel

>>700802064
because
>PS3 NO GAMES HAHAHA PS3 NO GAMES NO GAMES NO GAMES PS3 NO GAMES
meme made everyone think the ps3 had no games so nobody played it.

>>700802113
so why even play tales then

>>700802113
berseria literally fixed graces combat system though.

>>700802064
Shes a cake

>>700802209
Cakes are what zoomers like nowadays tho

>>700790367
Graces is absolutely refreshing after playing arise. Wish we could go back to old school takes feel

Let me see if I got this right: half of Graces story is just going back and forth between Lhant and Barona?

Anyone know who the fuck Makes Arise ? Because it dont feel like Tales at all

>>700802157
I don't.. Think my last recent tales was Xillia, felt like it was going backwards and dropped the series except for remasters.

>>700802016
This, but instead I just bash my head against the wall until I get enlightened.

>>700802116
I'll have you know, I played Graces on Wii with a shitty incomplete translation patch I found on the tales series forums.

>>700802660
That's called anemia anon

>>700802718
I'm still kind of butthurt the translation patch for the Wii got completely junked because of the PS3 release.

>>700802450
Yeah act 2 starts off as kind of a fucking drag.

>>700802051
it's fun to play this in a basement with your friend as long as who do you want to fuck NEVER comes up
that's it, that's what they were thinking

Why can't you buffer forward dash? You can do all the others.

>>700803292
yo assman

Vesperia > Abyss >>>>> symphonia > Graces
I won't fall for nintentoddlers lies anymore.

>>700802463
It's Unreal Engine. It makes it feel NOT Tales.

>>700803429
Hello anon

>>700803439
>vesperia
>anywhere above abyss, or even symphonia
lmao

>>700803439
Graces is better than Abyss

>>700803548
Never was, never will be

>>700803491
I would put most tales games above symphonia.

>>700803439
symphonia > all

>>700803579
Abyss aged like milk. It was their 2nd 3D game ever made after Symphonia.

Graces took all the lessons from past games and made a complete game.

>>700802463
https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/221221a
>"After the previous title "Tales of Berseria" released in 2016 , we started considering the next title. It was just the time to change from PS3 to PS4, so we were also talking about "what to do about the engine". With RPGs as a whole leaning towards a high-end look, we thought that if we continued making it like this, it wouldn't fit the needs..."
>"So we took it as a time to jump up the brand, changed the producer, and new members joined us to take on the challenge. It was such an innovative attempt that the next title might not even be called "Tales of". At first, we called this title "Arise" instead of "Tales of". Eventually, it was organized as "Tales of", but in the very early stages, we were considering it with the feeling that "this team will create a new IP" "
>"It was a little worrying from a development perspective (laughs). Especially at the beginning, we didn't really know what would happen. As mentioned we thought it was a new RPG made by the "Tales of" team, so the proposition was "We have to change Tales." We were also very worried about "how to make something other than "Tales of." As a result, I think it was very good that we had the opportunity to look at various parts and various elements ourselves. We love the "Tales of" series and make it, so at first, we were quite resistant to changing it"
>"Since we don't know what the goal will be after release, I thought it would be nice if someone could just say, "Tomizawa..." when it comes to changes. It wasn't like we were planning to break it and then say, "Let's make it Tales of again." As a result of everyone looking at what we had done and discussing it, it became Tales of Arise"
It doesn't feel like Tales on purpose, and it technically sort-of-but-not-really didn't start development as a Tales game even

>>700803842
Never was, never will be

Do you need to do basically everything in the game to get 100 titles for everyone

I genuinly cannot fathom how the devs expected me to be able to side step shit. Is there even invul on this shit? It felt good in Xillia, you were able to do it with Jude fairly consistently. I just prefer the tales of games where you have a normal melee attack + artes. This whole thing where everything is artes never clicked with me.

>>700804587
Nigga just move back when the enemy makes a sound because that's when their attack starts. Free +2 CC and no dmg taken. You also have iron stance for some moves. Asbels draw on B arte for example puts you in it temporarily.

>>700790892
Jannies are extra sensible lately, you can't even say the M refer to americans. Effects of the 20th I guess.

>>700790367
Magilou is peak Tales best girl

>>700804545
Yes.

>>700804770
>can't even properly add transparency to the pic
Some mage...

>>700804843
Sex with Arche.

>>700804843
Sex with Mint.

>>700805315
>>700793214
She forgets about you, Chester

why is richard behaving like a retard when his eye glows? is he retarded? anyway my heart goes out to him

>>700805315
Anon, no.

What's your favorite Tales pairing? Mine is pic related.
Hard mode: Canon couple

>>700804693
is there a difference between moving back and side stepping?

>>700805562
>Hard mode
lel

These cuties. Until the day I die

>>700805470
He has schizophrenia. He legitimately hears voices in his head.
He gets better.

>>700805658
most things in this game attacks in a x or y coord. its better to just jump back a x coord and then punish immediately. if you side step in a y coord theres a chance you will get hit by a slashing attack.

>>700805470
He forgot to take his meds

>>700805562
Gaius and Milla. Not a romantic pairing, but they're almost mirrors of each other. They're both so hard-headed and are willing to do whatever it takes to achieve their goals. They don't always see eye to eye, but usually come to the same conclusion when they do.

>bosses go into their overdrive or burst or whatever the fuck it is because they change the name every single fucking game and then does their super fuck you attack to kill one of your party members and there's nothing you can do about it except suck it up and throw your items at them to recover.
Why are these games lauded as anything but kusoge?

>>700806903
Suck it up bitch

>>700805532
why is she such a whore? shes giving half elves a bad reputation

>>700806903
Cedric's kind of an asshole, yes.

>>700806919
Pretty sure there's an NPC right before the map transition that tells you the place is dangerous.

>>700792251
How do you unlock difficulties past hard?

>>700807161
Play on the highest available difficulty and after a certain amount battles it unlocks. It's a ton though so expect for it to take hours

>>700807161
Iirc you gotta do like 100 battles on hard to unlock evil then 100 on evil to unlock chaos

>>700806903
Can't you just change the strategy for them to stay away from the boss when an eleth break happens?

>>700807339
200 I believe

>>700802051
All this shit happened because Eternia/Destiny 2 Abyss bombed HARD.
The main reason was releasing the game so close to a Final Fantasy, cannibalizing sales.
Legendia got localized cause it was made by B team of Soul Calibur devs and given a tiny localization budget. Namco after several fans begging for Abyss put behind a good localization but sales still came up short.

Symphonia was such an odd release because Nintendo RPG fans were STARVING with the last console RPG after Chrono Trigger was freaking Quest 64.

Tales would have faded away if not for its massive female japanese audience.

>>700807712
yeah i still have my nintendo power magazine for tales of symphonia, that game got pushed hard and lots of people stuck with a gamecube played it.

>>700808541
Gamecube fans were so starved of good games that they pretend Wind Waker, Eternal Darkness, and Double Dash are genre defining masterpieces. They do the same thing with Symphonia, transforming an okay Tales game into a masterpiece in their minds.

cry

>>700808717
I personally think symphonia is a better game than it gets credit for nowadays, but i get it.

>>700802051
>Phantasia GBA
>Eternia PSP
Wasn't Sony America in their anti-2D + anti-port phase with the PSP at that point? It would explain why Radiant Mythology 1 got an international release (still wild to think about) despite also being a risky bet. GBA carts would have been cheaper to make for an established userbase too.

>Vesperia PS3
"No, not that one." I get it but I feel like you could have gone digital only with it if you had to.

>Symphonia 2
I'd love to make a Wii cash grab tier list and see where this one ranks, if only because it works on the most basic level.

>>700808717
But was it worse than N64 and Wii in that regard? Seems to depend on your taste.

>>700809036
>But was it worse than N64 and Wii in that regard?
Yeah, big time. Nintendo shat the bed during the GameCube’s run and fucked up their big first party franchises while bringing out some really weak new IPs and losing key developers from the previous generation, like Rare. Because of this GameCube fans would cling to anything resembling a good game to hail as their console saving masterpiece.
The N64 didn’t have a lot of games, but nobody can deny that games like Mario 64 and OoT redefined their series’ and were great games. Sunshine and Wind Waker, on the other hand, are incredibly weak entries in their series’ and have left virtually no legacy as their concepts have mostly been abandoned.

tanned Leia

that's all

>>700809696
Sex with Leia.

>>700808717
Even if Symphonia's combat is pretty lacking, the content of it is still one of the best in the series, Rebirth and Destiny R have no chance against it outside of their combat. A LOT of quests that reward you with Costumes, Devil Arms and Abyssion, Cameo Battle, rebuilding Luin, Maxwell.

>>700808717
Kill yourself console warrior

Reminder Tear's VA also voiced this
https://youtu.be/yHOnEHNUZP8

>>700811720
Maybe someday...

>>700807490
>Still up
Janny are tranny. Or worse, a woman

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RVd1OSOCZDM

Wonder where the velvetdrawfag are doing now

>>700811847
So I check Youtube for RM1 playthroughs to remind myself of the Destiny characters English voices, but the first results are commentated, and the poor soul asks if Rutee is an escort. Well I thought it was funny.

>>700812430
Poor girl can't catch a break.

>>700812497
Sex with Rutee.

>>700812430
I remember Liam O'Brien voiced Stahn and it really doesn't fit at all

I’m playing berseria.

I don’t get the battle system.

Why you play Tales games on Hard/Chaos/Evil
why you hurting yourself ??

>>700812950
It's fun

getting the soul orbs is a lot nicer in graces remaster

Holy shit I remember how tedious dualizing an equipment to +99 is. I'm in +15 and the shards that I want are not dropping.

>>700812997
How is it nicer? Isn't it the same as the original?

>>700813079
It’s in HD

>>700813079
you just put on 10x damage and it flies by

What Tales game do I play if I want to combo whore and air juggle enemies and bosses? Which one does that the best?

>>700813129
oh yeah. I completely forgot that you can turn on and off some grade shop bonuses. I just turned on the maximize movement speed at the beginning and never touched it again.

>>700813249
Vesperia. Berseria has cool combos but I don't remember if you can juggle enemies.

>>700813249
Vesperia is the airfag combofag game especially when you unlock the skill that makes you do only 1 damage to enemies

>>700813263
yeah I just took all the toggleable ones at the start even if I didn't plan on using them just in case

>>700812950
I think Graces f is the only one where Hard is actually Hard at times because so many fights have juiced up adds in them and Eleth Burst is just gay as hell. Rest of them weren't so bad, especially Berseria and Arise. Arise at least had the 2nd boss that was a challenge but Alphen gets so buff the rest of the game falls over.

>>700813249
Xillia 2 with Ludger weapon swap combos. It's so jarring how much they put into one character in a Tales games. Playing anyone else makes you feel like a simpleton.

Which tales game has the best intro song?

>>700812950
Play Abyss on the hardest setting where enemy defense is so jacked up the only character that can reliably do damage his Jade. Eventually all physical damage is reduced to 1 due to how insane the defense multiplier is.

>>700813249
Xillia 2 or Hearts R.

>>700813536
Xillia 1 and Abyss are tied. Berseria and Zestiria is pretty good too.

>>700813563
i never thought abyss was hard just because free run was so powerful. even if it took forever you just really didn't get hit. i remember thinking nephilim? the abyss arms boss was a complete joke.

>>700793618
Those existed in the Wii version.

>>700812981
>>700813486
>>700813563
Tales on Hard / Evil / Chaos is just bullshit. They only has beefed out stats similar to Skyrim. The AI didnt changed at all.

>>700813695
Enemy mechanics don't change but they attack more frequently the higher the difficulty.

Am I ever getting Richard back after the invasion?? I need Vengeant Fangs again.

>>700813536
Destiny 2, Abyss, Xillia duology or Zestiria duology

>>700813861
Yes you will but it's at the end iirc.

>>700813861
Lol, lmao even

You don't get until the future arc after the main story

>>700813987
>>700813991
FUCK

Not trying to talk down graces f because i'm still enjoying it, but did the tales of series get dicked down by namco in this era? You can notice a huge lack of scale in the games starting with dawn of the new world, no overworld map and the games just feel smaller with less content and enemy variety. Graces F is pretty linear so far, i'm assuming namco started gutting the budget for these games.

>>700813536
Eternia

>>700813129
Destiny DC and Arise

>>700812946
I don't care for the souls mechanic. In the first like 20 battles after I got Eizen every enemy would stun him in one hit and I'm like huh? Then you're just gimped and not even able to pull off a three piece combo til you kill something. Then I got eleventh hour and it all made sense. It can be hard to know which artes you want in a dedicated combo but it also seems like the game encourages you to change your combos depending on the enemies you're fighting too. The moral of this story is work on your dodge timing, read what your artes do and don't just try to set up 4 hidden artes in a line, and then hope for the best after that.
>>700802064
Pascal has always been in my top 3 from the series and I haven't even played Graces. She never got any love.

>>700814194
Pretty much every JRPG suffered from the transition to HD. Vesperia was the last Tales game that was loaded with content. In fact some people say Vesperia has too much content and found the Patty stuff and most of the 3rd act to be filler.

>>700812946
a lot of people didn't, it's overly complicated and favors velvet far too much.

is there a title/ability i can get that makes side stepping/backstep dodge window easier to get? I swear this shit feels impossible. I'll clearly evade a move and I get nothing.

>>700814382
So i guess Berseria encourages hitting weaknesses even more than Graces then? Also how the hell do i get more soul gauge? I swear until the end i only get like 7 or something with 3-4 starting and it's fucking frustrating.

>>700812946
Velvet is overpowered and you're just making the game more difficult for yourself (in a bad way) by not controlling her.
The rest of the party are either support or meatshields.

>>700812946
Nobody did, that's everyone just button mashed with Velvet since she would invalidate it anyway

>>700814567
Nothing. It's the same with cancel. You just need to practice it.

Jerked off to Edna for 3 times today

>>700794707
source

>>700790892
Why does a weapon need twintails?

MAGI-KA-ZAM-A-ZAM!

>>700814798
there's so many enemies in the game with different attack timings though

>>700814571
It definitely encourages hitting weak points by telling you how to set up a weak point combo really early on yeah. I'm still early game so I don't know how you even got to 7 of them since the most I've seen is 5.

>>700814894
If they were real Edna is literal JC slut who fucks for fun while her gangster 30 something brother have no idea what shes doing.

>>700809696
Where did she get the one-piece tan from? A Photon shot?

>>700814571
>So i guess Berseria encourages hitting weaknesses even more than Graces then?
It's pretty much the same
>Also how the hell do i get more soul gauge?
Enhancing equipments. Also get your equipment to not spend souls when using break souls. You'll do combos nonstop.

>>700812430
I would let Rutee escort me home gently

I'm not looking forward to figuring out the extreme complexities behind the dualizing system just to beat some bosses on Chaos mode. I thought I was playing a nice relaxing JRPG here, not Factorio.

>>700802051
>Arise is a surprise hit and best seller

Yes, a surprise hit with quintuple the advertising budget of previous games in the series. What a shocker.

>>700816313
Just lower it to Moderate and Dualize AIM AIM or EVADE EVADE or RISE RISE

Problem solved

>>700816313
>put the game on the hardest difficulty
>upset that you have to use the game mechanics
it's a very linear game anon if you want a breadth of features sort of thing go play a non P3 persona

>>700816313
It's actually a lot easier than you think. Always aim for Kyleicious when upgrading since it gives that best stat boosts. To do that use grand, suave and rigid shards. Also use your initial equipment since it's a lot cheaper and you can dualize it to your ultimate weapon in the endgame.
Basically dualize Grand shard>temper>>dualize suave>temper>dualize rigid>go back to dualize grand again. Repeat until satisified. For gems just get a reinforce-rise and polish the heck out of it until it maxes out.

>>700816757
>Kyleicious
They dont exist in Remaster

>>700816957
They do.

>>700816979
Pretty sure thats only WII exclusive

>>700817001
It's not.

>>700816313
Swallow your pride and Lower the difficulty. You playing this game because of Sophie's cunny anyway

Is there any point beat boss on chaos aside of some fucking .PNG trophy ?

>>700817032
She's so cute, especially when cutscenes just focus on her emotionless stare.

>>700817153
I think the true form of the final boss uses some unique spells, or maybe he used them regardless of difficulty.

>>700817238
Cedric uses MA the seconds he goes eleth break So probably not

>>700817153
You have a longer and more fun boss fight instead of a 20 second fight.
>>700817212
Thank god for the JP dub since it elevates her cuteness even more.

>>700801264
DHAOS LASER

>>700802064
she was the only girl I liked but I only had a wii so never played graces other than the imported demo

>>700801264
>>700817574
How did Dhaos become one of the most popular villain when Phantasia was fucking shit?

Getting ParalysisProof / PoisonProof title is by getting hit by those status effects constantly right ??

>>700817672
Yes about 5 times.

>>700790892
Can you romance this hebe or is she like Edna?

>>700817837
No she's the daughter figure

>>700817663
I just used him in tales of ACS

>>700817946
Those things shouldn't have to be mutually exclusive

>been playing gacha for the past year or so to fill the anime game void
>it's just pandering and maximum shilling over and over for maximum profit
I'm so tired, bros. I need Tales back. Anything. Well, I guess there's Atelier Yumia in a couple of months.

>>700790367
Sex with Middle High school girls
Sex with Sophie

>>700819987
Seriously asking, will Yumia be yuri? If so i'm buying that shit day one

>>700820510
It's going to be a girl with a nice group of friends (guys are included) who helps her take revenge on the evil furries, sis.

I don't like how every enemy needs to be hit with like eight different weaknesses so you can combo them normally in Graces.

Password ?

>>700821484
42.

>>700821484
54004

Tales of Graces is from a time when JRPGs actually had a huge amount of optional content that isn't just MMO quests or a marker on your map. Xillia is when the downfall began and they swapped out all the content with MMO quests on a board.

>>700821823
What side content does graces have

>>700821823
>Xillia is when the downfall began and they swapped out all the content with MMO quests on a board.
Xillia 1 is one of 2 games I'm playing right now, and so far all the side quests I came across I had to start them by interacting with different NPC in places such as the seahavens, Nia Khera, Sharilton and such.

>>700813563
If you're playing on unknown then you should have access to better c cores from NG to quickly unfuck Luke/Guy's stats. Besides, Anise/Tear mog Jade as casters.

Enemies frequently get new moves on Hard and above. Team Destiny games also usually reward you with more resources as well. Destiny DC is notorious for needing to beat basically every boss on Hard+ or else you simply won't have a lot of SD Points to work with.

I will activate all Grade shop and play on Normal :)

I'm gonna say it
Graces is my favorite Team Destiny game

The Scorpion boss inside Rockgagong is filtering me. It splits into 10 small cunts with hyperarmor and spamming spells like Rita in Over Limit. I don't have many shot or insect or burn artes so it's fucking hard to fight back.

>>700824460
That fight is dog shit and is a great example of how the game makes the player feel like they're playing it wrong. Best thing you can do is go into the fight with three bars of mystic arte available.

When the eleth break happens for you, swap to Malik and use his mystic arte as many times as you can since his Calamity Rondo hits all the enemies. I benched Pascal because I didn't really feel like she was particularly useful here. Having both Sophie and Cheria in helps for some backup healing if you need it. Play as Sophie or Asbel and then swap to Malik to spam mystic artes when you have the opportunity.

>>700824460
Idk I just ran it down and only had like 2 deaths
Was honestly expecting it to reform after the little guys died but nope the fight just ends. So I guess just set your party to be defensive and focus 1 down at a time with Asbel

PC + Sophie/Cheria/Malik is pretty much the safest party. Pascal has bad acc, so you need to dualize that and set her to focus on A Artes while Hubert has bad evade, so you set him to B Arte focus to reduce getting stagger locked.

>>700824723
Managed to beat it with Asbel spamming Coscussive Bolt since apparently it gives him decent armor + he's airborne to minimalise damage.
Either this fight is absolute dogshit or i still lack the ACC and EVA required to comfortably beat it. Seems like i have to grind more shards.

>>700824460
TURN
DOWN
YOUR
DIFFICULTY
TO
MODERATE

>>700827574
No, I'm gonna stubbornly figure out how to fight these shitty bosses by stacking accuracy and evade and nothing else since that's the only way to win in a Team Destiny game.

>>700827574
Finished the game first time on Moderate. With SP bonus and my newfound knowledge of stacking ACC and EVA i want to finish the game on Evil.

it was a mistake to turn off auto-change titles, things just go so more smoothly now and i don't have to open the menu every 5 minutes

>>700811720
>>700811847
I hate that I found out about those chicks doing a patch for it, because now I have to stew in impatience while waiting for it lmao

You know, when Team Symphonia and Team Destiny merged, we could've get the best of two worlds. Fast amazing combat, huge content and replay value.
Instead the games perpetually got worse.

Cheria's model is ugly and her JP voice doesn't suit her at all.

>>700829591
I think both her Japanese and English voices are sexy. I just wish her 3D model matched the skit/status screen art a little better.

>>700829251
probaby for the best when we at least get xillia 2 out of those mess

>>700816435
Does it count when the previous ones weren't really advertised at all

Im reaching the grindy part of Graces..........

I've become completely addicted to graces evil mode with 2x damage and the SP multiplier on from the start like I'm just going around getting all the soul orbs and all the skits

>>700817663
Because you didn't play Phantasia in '95

What number of Artes needed for reaching "Adept" and "Master" Titles ??

>>700815095
So how did that dove act work anyway? Bienfu was still with Eleanor at that point so she couldn't use Malak powers. Does she have some magic powers of her own? It didn't look like some slight of hand trick.

>>700829064
At least now it's "in QA testing for real trust us". Imagine knowing about it since early 2022 when they said the thing was "70% done"

God i hate grinding Artes for Titles in Graces

>>700830585
Wasn't it "100% translated, 70% edited" lmao?

>>700824460
Sex with Alisha.

>>700830624
Grade shop from the start nigga. No one cares if you cut out meaningless grinding.

In terms of slow dragged out RPGs, these games take the cake

So how do i utilize Asbel properly? His B-Artes do hit like a truck but chaining artes feels awkward especially compared to Sophie. I wonder if i can chain his A and B-artes properly, but man he's so CC expensive and for some reason it's hard for him to trigger like +8 CC like Sophie everytime she hits stunned enemies.

>People getting filtered by Graces's pure lvdo all over again
Fantastic. I can't wait until you guys get Destiny 2 and Rebirth.
>>700826296
Malik is pretty much dead weight. Cheria only gets good after the first half. You can get past bad accuracy concerns by making sure you get red auras before your first hit (you're also guaranteed a hit after a successful dodge), though she's the hardest character to play regardless due to how much her potential combos rely on spacing, and a late game Cheria/Humbert setup will genuinely stagger everything into death if you're used to manual switching.
That said this time since the grade shop was unlocked from the start I'm having fun with a solo Pascal Chaos run. Love my 200IQ retardwife. This character was way ahead of her time.

>>700813536
Phantasia and Fighting of the Spirit, Destiny, both Xillias for me.

>>700831270
>I can't wait until you guys get Destiny 2
We aren't bro, it's not happening in our lifetimes

>>700829251
Zestiria wasn't that bad. It feels like a proper Graces sequel past all the shit decisions and the jank.

this thread STINKS of shit

>>700831663
It smells like my wife!

>>700831042
I did. I mean the specific grind to got "Adept" and "Master" Titles

>>700831270
>Malik is dead weight
Lmao. The AI plays him better than most of the cast due to his moves being mostly ranged attacks with solid AoE. Culling Flare and some of his other spells make a mockery of dangerous enemies. Cheria is good from the moment you can consistently abuse Frozen Rain.

>>700831270
well you can emulate destiny 2 and rebirth, rebirth being already translated and destiny 2 being translated (never ever?)

>>700831157
there are artes to unsheathe from a distance and his MA always leaves his sword unsheathed
basically just pay attention to that, normal comboing between a and b artes isn't possible unless you net a stun and change poses while claiming that CC bonus

Now i understand why they put Grade Shop on the first playthrough. The Amount of grind is horrible. I remember dropping Vesperia sidequests and just straight up finish the game because of the grind

>>700832123
The AI matters less in Graces since from Evil onwards you'll be switching manually to stop your party from dying in one hit anyways though.
>>700832261
The grind is meant to take you two playthroughs. Same as Vesperia actually.

>>700832165
>normal comboing between a and b artes isn't possible unless you net a stun and change poses while claiming that CC bonus
I see, i guess with Asbel i'm focusing on B-artes then. Also maybe it's just me but is there a condition where he will attack faster than normal? I swear chaining B-artes felt slow but after a while it's silky smooth.

>>700832697
yeah, the first b arte you use triggers an unsheathing animation, that's his whole character gimmick

>>700832431
Graces has a hidden aggro system, so putting Malik/Cheria in 3rd/4th gives them a lot of room to do whatever they want. Hubert is really bad under AI with his negative evade too

>>700832861
Also, is there a condition/passive to reliably gain CC bonus? Or maybe a passibe to reliably stun enemies for more CC bonus? Hitting weaknesses maybe?

>>700829872
Definitely my favorite of the bunch

>>700833583
yeah the one part of graces that's kind of a pain to get is the critical gauge though it ties into your CC and bonus CC
basically just guard until a red aura appears around your character and don't guard again unless it's for a quick evade (and it HAS to be an evade) and keep hitting weaknesses and stunning enemies for extra CC, the better you play as you're into the fight the more your base CC will increase but if you don't do shit in the meanwhile it'll go down
weaknesses stun enemies, long combos stun enemies, having high accuracy will stun enemies, basically if you're dualizing build for accuracy and evasion

>>700832134
Lumina Destiny sucks, Life Bottle should just get the project and translatr in 6 months~1 year like they always do.

>Go to Lhant Hill
>Return to Lhant
>Go to Lhant Hill
>Return to Lhant
>Go to east Lhant road
>Return to Lhant
>Go to west Lhant road
>Return to Lhant
>Go to Barona
>Return to Lhant
>Go to Lhant Hill
>Return to Lhant


Bruh this shit fucking sucks

>>700835407
are you me, I just posted something similar in another place, lol

>>700834372
I see, so after you guard until the red aura comes out the first time, you exhaust your cc then you don't guard again (unless for evade)?
Also, does Chaos difficulty increase your shard drop rate? Thinking of playing on that for grinding purposes.

Should you aim to match your level to the boss's? I'm noticing Evil and Chaos raise the boss levels significantly. I know you can fight them underleveled, but I'm assuming being too underleveled means your abilit to stagger them is much worse.

>>700822110
Lineage and Legacies, extra fights in the menu, Cameo Battle, Narikiri Dolls, 100+ Titles to unlock, secret desert dungeon Foselos dungeon. It's easily the longest title after Vesperia.

>>700790367
at what point did tales stop doing chibi-esque characters in game

>>700802064
Are you kidding me i loved her since i played the game on ps3. I fucking love her and i want to breed her so much.

>>700803439
dawn of the new world>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>700836640
Xillia. Also killed fixed camera and since them the scenarios all look sterile and low budget since it's an AA series. At least in previous games they hid it better.

>>700813536
symphonia, Symphonia dotnw, Destiny 2, Vesperia and graces are all really good but I think abyss has the best overall

I'm not the only one who thinks Graces had some behind the scenes fuckery, right? Specifically story-wise?
It does the typical Tales Of trope exploration even better than usual. It's all about friendship, but Asbel doesn't pay proper attention to his friends and gets them all in deep shit.
He tries to mature by becoming a knight, but despite doing it to become strong enough to protect others and make up for his past selfishness, he's just selfish in a different way. So pre-occupied with making up for past mistakes he didn't even consider others' feelings on the matter.
The childhood friend is rightfully disdainful, his dad died, his mom is a wreck and he suffers failure after failure, culminating with being humiliated by the brother he thought he had to protect and banished from his home.
Nothing's changed, Asbel's still a naive prat. It makes his connection with Richard and Sophie so much stronger. Now he has to learn to rely on others equally, not just treat them as things to be protected, and the kindness he showed them is paid in full.
The coup is short but sweet, Pascal is based, Richard fully loses it... and then Cheria can't fight back after she gets her shoulder grabbed by some prick. The moment that scene hits it's like a switch.
The narrative doesn't become bad, but it becomes so linear. You go to the Valkines, find Richard, say you'll save him this time, he fucks off, you go look for him at the next Valkines, rinse and repeat. There's character arcs along the way, but the plot only truly advances once Sophie gets sick and starts glowing, with no agency from the party. The story just decides to start moving again, but even the Amarcian parts don't reach the initial heights.
It's so fucking bizarre. Asbel relating to Lambda as hard as he does is what clinched it for me; the only way that moment would have the intended weight is if the starting tone of the opening hours was meant to last longer.

>>700836918
i kinda want them to go back

>>700813536
DEEN, Destiny, since 1997.
You're welcome.

>>700836729
>moron too idiotic to fathom just plugging a controller into his pc
alternatively
>moron too idiotic to distinguish between an excel spreadsheet for work and a video game for leisure
nothing of value was lost

>>700837312
>moron too idiotic to fathom just plugging a controller into his pc
its not the same and you know it i guess i could just get a steam deck though

>>700837235
Me too, everyday. In the good timeline, Team Symphonia + Team Destiny would still be a thing and 7th Chord would also be alive and making games.

>>700837438
I'm pretty sure the Tales studio had millions in debt around 2009/2010, so the only solution was Namco absorbing them or killing the whole franchise. I also hate what the games become aftet that, but ar least we get a remaster from time to time. I liked Berseria too, despite it looking cheap.

>>700837102
It's really just the usual Tales of story beat.
>Protagonist is a dumb shit
>Fails
>Lowest point
>Things are actually made shit by metaphysical entities symbolizing abstract evils and it turns out the whole world is going to shit!
>Protagonist fails to really do much but the plot beats about saving the world are supposed to relate to his inner struggles somehow so it all fits into place I guess (it never does)
>END
At least Graces has the future arc where you can see the cast interact in a more mature way the actual story never leaves room for. That's sweet. But yeah essentially all of these games tend to have rushed develoments and it's obvious from the halfway point onward.

>>700837102
I'll say this again and again, Asbel is the WAY better version on Rean Schwazer.

>>700838260
Asbel doesn't have 4 entire games to constantly doubt himself and his own abilities, so that helps a lot too.

>>700832261
There's not much grinding to get grade in Graces since the grade points are not received after battle, it's different. Number of Soul Orbs, how many times you finishet it, how fast you finished the game, what difficulty you beat the final boss, how many quests you completed, how many titles you maximized (this one is grindy tho, but for different reasons).
Overall, I think it's one of the worst Grade Shops in the series.

>>700838385
>>700838260
Rean had his character arc reset between the 2nd and third game for no reason

>>700790367
>over the last decade+ tales has really made an identity for itself as the pseudo fighting game jrpg, to the point where we got people from the tekken/soulcal teams to work on some of our games
>jrpgs and really all japanese console games period are starting to really eat shit in the current gen of console gaming both in their home country and worldwide
>I know, lets make a game where your cool combos can FUCKING MISS because of accuracy statchecks when the entire appeal of our combat system was that you can technically kill any boss even at level 1 if you're willing to dance around it doing 1 damage per swing for 30 minutes
>also make it so every move has a hyper specific elemental weakness that you need to hit the enemies with in sequence so you kinda just do the same combo on every new enemy type before learning what's best for the next enemy type

sorry bros even if this is the one time a company will actually go "oh the old game sold well? make new game more like old game" instead of that being bullshit I can't justify rebuying this wack game just because the devs didn't comit to making the MC sisterzone the eternal 14 year old since they knew that would tank fanfic interest

Rean should've kept the heterochromia after Reverie.

>>700838809
>also make it so every move has a hyper specific elemental weakness that you need to hit the enemies with in sequence so you kinda just do the same combo on every new enemy type before learning what's best for the next enemy type
I dunno it's not exactly a bad thing personally since it makes you use your brain to figure out the proper order.

Destiny R and Graces f weakness systems are fine. Xillia 2 is good as well.
It's Zestiria and Berseria that overdid it.

>>700838809
you can still technically beat bosses in 178923 hits at level 1 if you want, the game has a way of guaranteeing hits it's just that the combat "fixes" the sandbag combat by being about immediate frame perfect dodges instead

>>700838809
>>700839424
Didnt read all of that.
Getting no sold for not passing the stat/gear check by such a large degree happens in every game. I know you never touched stuff like Unknown Abyss where P.Atk is so bad compared to F.Atk that melees suck unless you grow them exclusively with shit like Tutti.
Power Charge to red. You don't need to hit weaknesses in specific order, you just need to tag them once.

>>700838809
I honestly don't blame you. People overrate the fuck out of this game's combat system. Abyss, Vesperia, and Hearts R are all better from a gameplay perspective.
>Just go through the entire flowchart to hit this specific weakness every time
I'm enjoying my replay of the game but this shit is already irritating me again after like 12 years. Since the game likes to show a tutorial after every fucking battle, they might as well throw a tutorial box on screen that tells you to stack the fuck out of Accuracy and don't worry about anything else because your attacks will randomly lack any hitstun whatsoever on the enemies without it.

>>700839734
>he doesnt keep directional strings tied to specific elements
bruv

>>700839734
Using TP already heavily gimps you from a gameplay perspective. It'd be like if you could only use like eight Shoryus and then you'd run dry, so you'd have to land several light punches and kicks to be able to use another Shoryu or any other move.

>>700838562
A huge chunk of the grade is from acquiring titles and mastering them.

>>700817837
Each character has one specific other character they get involved with. Asbel gets with Cheria, Hubert gets with Pascal, etc. I don't remember who Malik and Richard link up with though, it's been a while.

>>700796663
never underestimate consolewar fags

>>700840389
Richard gets Sophie, actually. Same way Jude got Anise in Abyss.

>>700840039
>muh TP
Every time

https://youtu.be/3zzi4_Ktl_I?si=CJ_X6_06eaGNeno2
>20 minutes
Really?

>>700836918
Xillia also removed speech bubbles.

>>700838809
The elements and accuracy ruin Graces combat yeah. Kinda hard to hit weaknesses when it's all in a flowchart you have to move through and by the time you have a full weakness combo your CC is gone and you have to hope your party won't stop attacking to continue it.
Berseria fixed these issues with editable flowcharts and a whole page to moves you can use on the fly like previous games, stagger being less accuracy focused, and opportunities to stagger being larger the less souls/cc you have.
I like graces combat but the smoothness of its flow depends entirely on whether the enemies have sensible weaknesses and low evasion.

>>700841805
And then Zestiria, Berseria and Arise removed most/all item pictures of the menu. Something that fucking PHANTASIA had 30 years ago.

So is this game good or not? It's been 5 days, some of you faggots must've beat it already

>>700842316
The xillias and berseria were great games but they lacked the polish of older games, especially interiors. Graces sort of woke me up to how much I missed those details.

>>700842457
I beat it 3 times. Yes it's good. But good is subjective to you retards. You fuckers think DLSS 1707x960 looks better than Native 2560x1440 when that's just plain wrong and ugly and stupid to buy a $500-1000 GPU for such a feature.

>>700842457
im in the snow place my nigga, still have some way to go but the game is good, im sure some faggot will say that graces is pure dogshit though

>>700842457
Look, the thing about this series is that they're all pretty middling in actual scale and quality, but we all like them anway
So yeah, Graces is good, it's not great by any means, but it's good

>>700842457
if you’ve enjoyed other Tales of games you will probably enjoy this too

>>700840661
He's not wrong

TP sucks

>>700842457
It's available for 15 years by now. It's good.

>>700842457
Graces is dogshit like all Tales

>>700839362
Destiny R weaknesses were not fine, enemies just weren't comboable unless you were spamming their elemental weakness, and artes in destiny only had like 1-2 attributes

>>700842457
My favourite Tales gameplay-wise after Hearts R, and in my Top 5 overall

>>700840918
Graces never had a proper video for it's mechanics and for over a decade people used to use inaccurate guides and stats, it's like that for ALL tales games barring the most popular ones because all that shit was in jap only guides and lol at anyone translating them outside of a dead tumblr post over 10 years ago, even if you looked for graces from over that time period you would find literally nothing covering it

>>700842457
it's not my favorite Tales but im enjoying going back to it for the first time in like 10 years

>>700839362
I didn't really bother with Berseria weaknesses, you get enough extra damage from stuns anyway. I just avoided resists for the most part.

>>700843223
>enemies just weren't comboable unless you were spamming their elemental weakness
Not really, you can combo enemies just fine, hitting weakness staggers them, but you can still combi them nonetheless.

Is Sophie's AI fucking retarded? I feel like I should just bench her if I'm not playing as her. I dunno man, I know her heals can be handy but maybe I should turn them off because her AI wants to heal constantly even when I tell her to focus on attacking.

>>700790367
When do I unlock this?

>pay zero attention to weaknesses
>have fun
It's really that simple

>>700843223
iirc as long as the first arte hits weakness you can combo them fine

>>700790367
Sophie: I'm a sexy cat ( real game's quote)

>>700843223
Substats matter in Destiny DC and you only need to hit weakness on the first hit/use the down + guard charge thing to force a combo. Stahn can hit almost every weakness in the game by himself too.

>>700813249
Symphonia 2 unironically has good air combo fighting

>green haired bitch called EMERAUDE tells the cast Sophie is a nanomachine colony
They fucking KNEW what they were doing

>>700824408
I think graces and vesperia feel like the best love letters to the whole series

>>700846276
>Xenogears homage
based
i will now play your game

The boar fight in the snowy mountain area is the hardest video game boss of all time. I wonder how much I gotta grind to beat this guy.

>>700847663
Have you considered learning his moves instead of grinding?

>>700847775
No because I don't do enough damage. You can't really stop the AI party members from getting hit by the charge, so I'm assuming higher stats is the fix here. It summons enemies to fight during the fight which just makes things awful because you gotta clear them up but then the boar charges somebody and now it's a revive fest to try and fix the situation.

>>700844993
Menu > Strategy > Defend > toggle guard/heal at X% hp
It's why my AI Malik is god tier compared to everyone else because he's locked to spamming B-artes.

>>700845057
Swimsuit costume's in the DLC section at the very start.

>>700835719
If I recall correctly, shard drop rate is affected by party level vs enemy level, difficulty, and how many are in your inventory. The drop rate starts going down if you have over 100 and hits 0% at 150.

>>700848615
>have up to date gear
>dualize for acc/eva/reinforce
>set the AI to focus on the adds while you handle the boss
>>700834372
Accuracy makes it easier for the arte to count as a registered hit, but the stagger time depends on the arte itself, how much you used a specific arte in a combo, how often you hit the enemy in said combo and some other factors.

>>700848998
Hubert is so lucky.

Did anyone see tales festival 2023 or 2024?

>>700848998
She is so fucking HOT and breedable.

>>700848998
>girls in your party get into a 1x1 fight because one of them hates bath
Graces is really peak SOUL, holyshit
https://youtu.be/sHtOR3SK-JA?feature=shared

>>700846251
Emil's a goddamn monster. Havoc Strike can basically reset his arte chain for any ground or air combo.

>>700840569
Is this actually true? Explain further.

She sees your dick

>>700852924
So nothing then. I don't want Sophie getting with any of these fags.

>>700843128
He's very much wrong, and learn how to cook

>>700842458
Graces killed the overworld

>>700848543
Retard

>>700853559
TP is AIDS, chud.

>thread's about to die
It's joever...

>>700853832
No,Dawn of the New World and Hearts did

>>700852974
I don't care i would lick her clean like a cat every single day every part of her body.

>>700856341
Graces was the first big dick mainline game, you know exactly what I meant. DotNW was an Escort Title and nobody played Hearts + it was DS. Graces was the next Symphonia/Abyss/Vesperia in scale

>>700856275
Nyo

>>700857134
Saar.

>>700794220
Because you should play games because you enjoy them, anon. I know it's a hard concept to comprehend, consider therapy.

>>700856657
You're just forcing a narrative say Vesperia was the last with an overworld and cry about Team Symphonia games. Which it isn't anyway, the Vita games had overworlds.

I think we need to take a moment for the Falcomfags who've sharted up these threads for a while. Tales of Graces, a 16-year old Nintendo Wii game, has exceeded the concurrent player count of every single Falcom game on Steam by a considerable margin. We will accept your apologies in the form of kneeling.

>>700858914
You can't be serious, more than any of the Cold Shit? More than Ys VIII to X?

>>700794707
Sex with real hebes is the best. Found one I like and never left her. Imagine living in muttmerica.

>>700859178
More than every single Falcom game on Steam. Sad.

>>700858798
What the hell are you talking about

>>700857134
She's so fucking beautiful

>>700859540
She's so fuckably beautiful

>>700859421
i just realized that Arise had over 60k peak.

>>700859670
Arise sold 3+ million. The game is ass but financially, the series is in the best place it's ever been.

>>700799743
Why would you want anal when you got vaginal with such a peak female body? Don't you want to capture a wife when she is most fertile and bonds with you the most?

>>700856223
TP gets you to care about long-term resource management when in dungeons. Little by little burning out your resources, that sigh of relief as the dungeon ends and you get back to a town is amazing. Freaking adore that. With CC you start every fight fresh. There's no commitment. All you need to do is guard a few seconds then perfect dodge, and a long combo for such a simple reset with no gauge penalty is broken. CC just kind of hands you combos on a stick. TP gets to involve more mechanics in its gameplay loop, by the time normal attacks really become useless for TP restoration when Artes start costing by the dozens you're given skills and/or accessories to help out, plus cooking which too many people ignore.

Also fuck getting rid of my comfy Orange and Pineapple Gels

>>700860324
At this point I just want a throwback to something along the lines of the Symphonia games, where there are cancel rules built around arte classes (normal attack > base arte > arcane arte, ect) with just TP and those cancel rules as your limiting factors, plus more enemy 'get hit states' with moves that specifically interact with them, like having hard knockdowns, and things that hit OTG and restand and shit. Everything since Graces has been the loosy-goosey everything cancels into everything CC stuff even if it's not literally called CC, which I think I've had enough of for a while

>>700837397
it is exactly the same.
I have the Steam version, and I play 4k120 on my 65" OLED, and I could simply buy a deck/deck-like to play on the go. Playing this game at 30 fps in 2025 is fucking pathetic.
t. have a 50' hdmi cable from my PC to my TV

Are any of the options in the grade shop worth considering if it's purely to reduce the grind for some things without really making things easier? I've played the game like over 10 years ago on PS3, I don't really remember anything about the game systems.

>>700860857
Eleth mixer upgrade, 2x loot, 2x gald. This way you don't have to sell any materials to buy equipment and items. You can do 2 - 3x SP as well if you're not going to grind for all the Soul Orbs.

>>700842457
Im still reaching Stratht you faggot

>>700860658
Arte classes technically still existed with the Graces/Zestiria/Berseria system with the tier thing. 1CC was normal (though you only got one), 2CC was base, 3CC was master, and 4CC was arcane. Zestiria and Berseria let you skip tiers so it was more similar to the class system you're thinking of.

>>700856275
Sex with Ludger

>>700861498
>doesn't beat new JRPGs in 5 days
Skill issue

>>700862165
I have a Job

>>700859421
I have to respect the dedicated fanbase Trails seems to have here if this is all the players these games have across the series.

>>700862782
It's a small and extremely vocal fanbase. They're louder than some of the Nintendo fanboys.

>>700856275
LUDGER, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GIVE SPIRITS FREE WILL

>>700862120
I wonder who could be behind this post...

>>700862782
They have to vehemently defend their series because they've invested hundreds of hours into it.

Xillia 2 gonna teach me to become a mass murderer.

>>700856341
Hearts has an overworld though. Not a great one, but it has one.

>>700863117
>hundreds
I'm pretty sure it crosses into the thousands to play through the kiseki series. Although the same is true of Tales.

>>700862782
Trails fans deserve no respect, they fucking think the garbage heap that is Cold Steel games are good.

>>700863480
Only to the vehicle, so not really different from Graces.

>>700863802
If you start the series from Cold Steel thats your own fault

Should i ?

>>700863873
Nah it has a walkable, explorable overworld. There's not MUCH to find there, but there is hidden stuff. It's barebones but it is an overworld.

Why modern JRPG developers so afraid of Overworld ?

>>700864359
Fear that the change in perspective required to make overworlds functional (i.e. the fact that the scale of the world compared to the player completely changes) will take the player out of the experience. So much of modern gaming is about how big each game's world is, overworlds go directly against that trend.

Theres nothing wrong with Trails (except that filler story / sidequest on Cold Steel). The girls are cute and i even buy her figure

>>700864506
Yeah, it's that clash of scale. With games trying to be more "realistic", one of the elements of that is making the game's scale realistic as well, and overworlds directly contradict that. That and the modern audience probably can't accept creative decisions like that and will call it out for devs being lazy cunts for downsizing the world.

>>700863759
You don't need to play every Tales game to enjoy the new entry. They get off from gatekeeping others out of it.

>>700863950
I didn't start from Cold Steel, but I ended the series on it. No self-respecting person should continue this series after CS3.

You legitimately need therapy if you believe otherwise.

>>700860324
Arte costs quickly outpace what you regain per normal in many games. It'll seem reasonably super early on when all you have is Demon Fang but like Level 15 or so which is super early in several games, its not enough because that's when stuff like Fang Blade Havoc, Double Demon Fang, etc show up.
Cooking is useful but it depends on the game's economy and the quality of the meals you have.
Lastly, Emerald/Faerie/Max TP accessories have variable availability depending on the game. I don't think that anyone is realistically getting a TP reduction ring before very late into Abyss for example. Granted at that point you already have Fruit Punch so TP management is a formality since you're never in danger of running out.

>>700864218
If you've got a lot of time on your hands, no. If you're limited in your geimu time, then yes. It doesn't have an effect in difficulty in any way.

>>700864359
I don't get it either, because it's not like it takes a lot to create an overworld. Not comparatively, given it's a chibified representation of the planet, linear until you're given an airship. I guess they think it's not needed anymore? That they've "moved past it"?

>>700863802
>>700864839
CS just rehashed the same stuff from Sky/Crossbell while continuing the trend of ripping off whatever's popular. 1/2 are overhated because its easy to shit on them to fit in. 3 is complete dogshit tho.

>>700864605
Exactly, whenever someone talks shit about Cold Steel you just mention the women.
They do look good, but they don't make your games good.

You can still masturbate to them without playing them.

>>700860324
Except the CC games have the food sack / eleth mixer that do the exact same limited resource management thing without limiting your fun. TP IS fucking worthless, for the first 1/3 of the game you can only do the same three hit combo into base arte sparingly or you run out of juice and are forced into normal attack spam or pausing the game constantly to use an item to get it back. But then after that you get the spirit symbol / faerie ring / cooking recipes etc. that just give you infinite TP and it's no longer a resource at all anymore. Destiny 2 had the right idea meeting it halfway and at least making it constantly regenerate.

>>700864839
Not CS3, but ill admit CS4 is a slog bloated with fillers. But the game is still playable. Maybe im gonna go back to finish CS4 someday (On Easy and Autobattle so i can skip lots of stuff)

Is Graces suffer the same thing where you understand the game mechanics at the end of the game just Like Vesperia did ?

Reminder: Sophie is NOT for sex.

>>700860324
Based orange gel enjoyer

>>700865180
Trails of Cumdoll...

>>700865417
Who says that?

>>700815226
JC's in general fuck for fun, that's why you do it raw and get one for yourself before she is JK.

>>700865395
No, you're front loaded with almost all of it, but it's up to you to engage with the dualizing system early on so you can access it.

>>700865081
Alright, I'll seriously engage here since you don't seem disingenuous.

I don't think the problem was ever the "rehash".
The games all follow the same chapter system, Bracer sidequest shenanigans and whatnot, some are fine and some aren't.

Everything just felt far more meaningful in the Sky/Crossbell games.
The smaller cast meant more time to develop each character. Cold Steel has a very bloated cast, which means they only get a sentence worth of personality and backstory (which keeps getting repeated throughout, as bad as Tales of Arise)

Sky's Joshua and Estelle romance was nice, and they have a good dynamic together.
Crossbell did start the whole dating shit, but I never felt the game needed the romance, which made it feel less problematic, this also leads to the whole bloated cast problem.
Cold Steel's characters having worse writing makes this more egregious, since the dating requires them to provide you with a mandatory amount of scenes of characters that... simply have nothing to show. I'm not saying the game shouldn't have had the dating shit, but it definitely exacerbated the character problems.

The pacing. I don't think Crossbell and Sky had pacing issues this bad. You can legitimately skip all of Cold Steel 3 aside from the final chapter and you've lost absolutely nothing. Yes, the first chapters in a "setup" game are purely setup, but past CS1 you already know the entire cast and the majority of villains, there's nothing else to set up, and whatever the bad guys are setting up never actually matters compared to Sky/Crossbell setups.

Nah fuck it, I'm never coming back. Kondo needs to resign, how can you have such a long-term series and have nothing to show for it.

>>700865417
Reminder: Lambda was watching while Asbel bred Cheria

>>700864359
Why make overworld when you can have open world

>>700866409
Because most JRPGs always having you travel the whole world

>>700866478
I think Persona is responsible for removal of overworlds. Instead you have a skip travel menu you just use to warp. That's what all JRPGs try to do now.

I've already spent hours running back and forth for magic carta cards instead of just using the DLC.

>>700866328
The fundamental problem is that they WERE using CS1/2 to build up C7 and instead of using 3 to give the player real pay off, some idiot decided to throw everyone into a corner, reset Rean's character and then expect us to care about Nu 7 from scratch. Its completely asinine. Cold Steel 1-2's core cast wasnt meaningfully bigger than what we had in the Sky subseries, but it was completely wasted. I bounced off the series so hard after 3 that I cam't bring myself to do anything besides read summaries now. At least it wont feel like I burned 100+ hours on a game for nothing.

>>700864359
Because it doesn't add much to the experience. It's just walking around slowly, random battles, and the amount of places you can go is actually very limited despite looking big.
Exploring and encountering places you can't actually visit isn't very great.

>>700866330
You think he said anything? He's a pretty critical dude.

I don't remember, did Graces did this autistic sidequest shit where I'm expected to backtrack to the previous town after every new region to make sure I haven't locked myself out of a chain of them?

>>700866330
You know full well he was giving pointers.
>Asbel, I have seen many life forms procreate, but none have had such a miserable time such as you.
>The penis goes there, you nitwit.

>>700866979
He provided encouragement

>>700867121
No, the Destiny team games tended not to have that. Basically every sidequest is at the inn and the two or three missable ones are marked now.

>>700840261
abyss is from back when the series was focused on inter character combos and normal attacks actually being good instead of artespam as your character of choice. what natallia lacks in persona combo damage outside of aerial laser spell cancel shit she makes up for by being a one woman fullscreen hitstun machine that can also heal/buff/revive

>>700867121
>>700867246
>thing to do on NG+ when every game has NG+ exclusive stuff vs tedium checklist you fill out
yep im thinking team symphonia wins this one

>>700867660
Not a competition

Niggaroth

How many Artes i need to spam to get an Adept and Master titles ??

>>700868454
How many Artes do I need to spam to get the Adept and Master titles?*
ESL-kun

>>700867450
Artespam in this franchise is almost always a sign of being a shitter, especially when many of the so called arte spam games heavily punish you for using the same move over and over via arte decay.
Also, intercharacter combo thing is just a weak excuse considering that this was after Eternia/Symphonia/Destiny 2 etc. Luke has so many dogshit artes because of the way that hard knockdowns work in Abyss on top of stuff like Swallow Fury that whiff to a ridiculous degree. I'm not asking for lmao Velvet wins lol, but its ridiculous that 90% of your decent combos with the MC for the first 35 or so levels all start off with the same arte because of bad properties.

>>700868993
Good grammar fixing bot

>>700867121
There are only a handful of missable subevents, and the few with tight windows happen right where you are at the time so they should all be marked by the game, as the other reply said. There are two missable inn requests (because they're tied to missable side quests) but the cutoff for them is entering the final dungeon.

I think you can lock yourself out of some inn requests if you sell unique gear, so be careful of that if you like to sell stuff.

>>700866610
It's FFX

>>700860324
TP sucks because it just boils down to spamming gels every time, just give me CC/Food for health management

Atelier and Tales games will be back, tr-trust the plan...

>>700866794
>Because it doesn't add much to the experience
It does
>the amount of places you can go is actually very limited despite looking big
Selling the idea of a big world is more than enough, which happens easier if you get to see the world yourself instead of a jpg with a list of places to teleport to
>Exploring and encountering places you can't actually visit isn't very great
It is

>>700869665
At least Atelier still gets new games.
Meanwhile, the last new Tales game was almost five years ago for the series' 25th anniversary.
We're at the 30th anniversary now and all we're getting is the Graces Remaster.

>>700860324
I feel like the lack of normal attacks also takes away the fun of actually performing the combos. Even after getting reminded of the CC system with Destiny DC and Graces, I still don't think it's a better system. I feel like when I'm hitting shit in a TP game, I'm actually making a dent in my enemy but it doesn't feel that way at all with the CC games.

You finish your combo in a TP game and then you recover and continue it. You finish your combo in a CC game, and then you sit there guarding for a bit before being able to attack some more. It definitely feels slower and less satisfying. Some people say the CC system limits the player less, but I feel like it's the exact opposite. Maybe it changes later when you've got 45 CC to play with, but as it is it's really underwhelming. I also have no idea why you wouldn't have a controllable over limit in the game, that's also retarded.

>>700869024
> because of the way that hard knockdowns work in Abyss
they work the same as they did in symphonia outside of being able to arbitrarily otg with demon fang and literally nothing else

Im reaching the sandy area of the game and i still cant do 4CC combos constantly with Asbel and Sophie

>>700871063
Not even 3.5 years since Arise.

has anyone tried innocence R? I really enjoyed Hearts R years ago so I'm wondering if the gameplay is also fun minus the fact theres no CC like system

Wait, you can free run in Graces ? Im always got blocked by some mobs

>>700868454
Depends. For Asbel’s A-Artes it depends on the CC cost.

2 CC - 90 adept and 450 master
3 CC - 80 adept and 400 master
4 CC - 70 adept and 350 master

For B-artes it also depends on CC costs.

2 CC - 100 adept and 800 master
3 CC - 90 adept and 720 master
4 CC - 80 adept and 640 master.

Other members who are mainly mages have a different count as well.

is there an AI setting I can fuck with or do I just have to solo bosses on hard unless I grind a bunch? they keep designing bosses who are clearly designed around the iframe dash but instead of doing it properly the AI just kind of eats hits and dies

>>700871695
Yes but it costs CC as well. It’s not advisable since the game is built for sidestepping.

>>700871358
Enhancing equipment increases the CC of an equipment. I think you’ll see an increase once it’s +9

>>700871580
Yeah it's one of the most improved remakes I've ever played. In particular I was really impressed that they completely fixed all the dungeons by adding proper layouts and puzzles in place of a bunch of interconnected copy pasted X shapes. The only real grievance I have is that instead of making Iria more likeable they just sabotaged Chitose, but if you haven't played the original it won't bother you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYvEq25YMpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvzzbzJBImQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxbp87A4ck&
It's also fantastic getting to play a classic Tales not tainted by Sakuraba.

>>700871580
Pretty good, a bit more clunky than Hearts R, but both still have some of the best combat systems in the series.

>>700872183
Im out of CC increasing shards

>>700872383
He just means dualizing it in general. You should be able to farm Rise shards at north Lhant road. Go get some and make gems, may as well use the free +3CC you get too.

>>700872556
Oh, so dualizing without Rise shard increase CC ? I didnt know this

>>700872383
Even if you don’t have exceed or rise shards merely enhancing a weapon can increase the CC. Also if you’re going to use exceed or rise shards make sure you extract them together in the gem so you can have a NPC polish it later. Personally Rise shards are more important and my gems are usually Reinforce-Rise.

>>700872556
Any spredsheet on where to farm specific shards? I want to farm aim shards

>>700872301
>tainted
Begone

>farm blood gems in bloodborne
>now farming shards in graces
IT NEVER STOPS

>>700872973
Use Grade shop to save time

>>700872736
There should be a list in old gamefaqs threads, found someone posting aim/eva ones:

Lhant north road - both
Gralesyde Highroad - evade
strahta desert east - evade
strata desert north - accuracy
fendel mountai pass - accuracy
fendel highlands - accuracy
area 13 ( aka region 13 on telos ) - both
area 16 ( aka region 16, only future arc ) - both
zhonecage floor 1 to 3 - accuracy
zhonecage floor 4 to 6 - evade

I'd personally recommend you get reinforce gems on everyone if you can, it should drop around Lhant hill.

>>700872927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjwiNfPmc7E&

Can someone explain dualizing weapons, gems, upgrades etc to me as if I were a literal 8yo?

>>700874186
I mean, the thread's gonna die in like two minutes anon. Ask again in the next one