>>208091907
Joel wanted a new daughter because he was still traumatized about losing Sarah so he killed the doctor and lied to Ellie.

In the game it’s established that the Fireflies are pretty retarded and likely would not succeed in making a cure. Couple that with Joel’s attachment to Ellie and the fact that they didn’t give her a chance and Joel decided fuck them. Not sure how it’s portrayed in the show.

>>208091907
Didn't watch this terrible show, but the reason in the game was that they thought the Fireflies would be able to create a cure using Ellie, but it turned out they were going to kill Ellie to do it and it might not even net them a cure, so Joel rightfully killed all the lying bastards. Disregard the shit game sequel and remaster that tries to retcon this.

>>208091907
The Crust must flow

>>208091940
and just ended all hope for humanity to survive??? what a fucking asshole

>>208091949
>In the game it’s established that the Fireflies are pretty retarded and likely would not succeed in making a cure.
This is a headcanon by copers. The fireflies reactived an old university and spent years searching for a cure. You as a player literally go thought the university.
It was established the vaccine was real, Joel knew it and he still betrayed Ellie's wish.

>>208091963
that is the whole dilemma of the ending of the game / shoiw. whose side do you choose - Joel saving Ellie or did Joel doom humanity.

>>208091963
That's the thing anon, there was no hope for a vaccine: the fireflies were a ragtag bunch of desperado terrorists at the end of their rope using a brain surgeon who hadn't practiced in 20 years and who thinks its a good idea to immediately tear open his only living immune subject's head open, all for a cure that is extremely likely to not work right away given that vaccines are produced in trials and stages.

Also the show does a piss poor job at establishing the need for a vaccine to ensure humanity's survival at all. There's a whole episode focusing on 2 gay guys living in relative harmony for 20 years without worrying too much about getting infected. There are whole communities that are thriving and where infection isn't treated like a problem. Seems like the world is doing just fine.

Joel did nothing wrong.

>>208091907
Joel and Ellie's relationship is one of the few genuinely human things left in the world (they're "the last of us") and he chooses to save Ellie over saving what the rest of what "humanity" has become. He does this because he has allowed the painful events at the start of the story to effect him instead of repressing them and focusing on survival like most other humans do. By the end of the game he is capable of loving Ellie as a daughter and can make the choice to save her like any father would.

>>208091954
The sequel and remaster didn't try to retcon anything, Part 2 reinforces the fact that Ellie would have been killed by the procedure.
Though it also continues to treat the cure as a guarantee if Joel hadn't stopped them, which is stupid. You can't know if a vaccine will work without testing it, and vaccines for fungal diseases barely exist in real life- no such vaccine has ever been approved for public distribution, they are purely experimental

>>208092043
Yes the first game treats the vaccine as a guarantee if they had completed the procedure, but it's still stupid and doesn't hold up to critical scrutiny

>>208091963
>what a crusty asshole
ftfy

>>208092316
What in the first game suggests the vaccine was a guarantee?

>>208092163
>There are whole communities that are thriving and where infection isn't treated like a problem.

By the second game the rural areas were getting by relatively well at late 19th/early 20th century level, even had electricity.

>We could save everyone if we just kill this random girl
>Joel: NOOO SHE'S MY SURROGATE DAUGHTER NOW!!
>Kills all the doctors who could've saved humanity
>Joel: whoopsies :D

Directed by Niel Drukman

>>208091907
Why is there a dude crusting in another dude?

>>208092316
>You can't know if a vaccine will work without testing it
not to mention a vaccine does not protect you from getting mauled to death by zombies that can sprint endlessly after you. Martial law and walled city zones would still be highly necessary. At best it maybe makes the government slightly less risk averse at leaving safezones for farming or something.

>>208092425
It's not explicit but never gives any reasons to doubt it, either. Like if they had mentioned that the Fireflies would need to test the vaccine, or that they might have trouble distributing it.
Marlene acts extremely confident in talking about Ellie as a precious gift who can't be wasted and whose sacrifice will make everything worth it

>>208092471
They’re being brave together

>>208092505
There is a collectible medical chart or something that is evidence this was not the first immune brain they dissected. Implying they have failed in the past.

>>208092588
nevermind ignore this post, I looked it up and it was a misinterpretation on my part. There is a Surgeon tape recorder that says "Ellie is immune, and that her case is different, in all previous cases blah blah" and I took "in all previous cases" it meant there were others, but it is actually just referring to normal infected they have studied, not necessarily immune people.

>>208092505
>Marlene acts extremely confident in talking about Ellie as a precious gift who can't be wasted and whose sacrifice will make everything worth it
yeah because she's coping
if you read her journals/voice recordings in the hospital its clear that this is her last hope, she's lost everything and all her men are beginning to lose faith in her as well, if there's even a slight chance this will work then she's taking it and is just resigned at this point

>>208091963
Well the sequel is pretty much entirely about the cascading effects of that decision and violence it perpetuates