Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:12:37 | 98 comments | 7 images
Citizen Kane is no longer the greatest film of all time according to film directors
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:13:48 No.208089642
>>208089625
About time they grew some balls. Barry Lyndon over taxi driver is an odd choice
About time they grew some balls. Barry Lyndon over taxi driver is an odd choice
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:14:28 No.208089650
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Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:18:21 No.208089735
What i find strange is that i consistently see critics and directors list children of paradise as their favourite movie but it never makes the top 20-30 of these polls. The Searchers is another example.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:21:46 No.208089785
>>208089625
Why are there always so many fucking french movies here?
Why are there always so many fucking french movies here?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:26:41 No.208089871
>>208089785
>french critics/ directors see movies as artform and take it more seriously than others
>they use the medium in new and bold ways
>this in turns influences the new waves of american directors
basically frogs and fans of frogs gatekeeping. lots of american movies that influenced french cinema are routinely shut out.
>french critics/ directors see movies as artform and take it more seriously than others
>they use the medium in new and bold ways
>this in turns influences the new waves of american directors
basically frogs and fans of frogs gatekeeping. lots of american movies that influenced french cinema are routinely shut out.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:28:49 No.208089916
>>208089785
the french are both horny and morose
the french are both horny and morose
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:29:42 No.208089939
>>208089785
we're just better, ma chérie
we're just better, ma chérie
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:31:59 No.208089990
>touch of evil above citizen kane
thats just being contrarian
thats just being contrarian
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:33:28 No.208090025
>>208089990
Nah it's the correct pick, it's a better and more compelling film
Nah it's the correct pick, it's a better and more compelling film
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)17:52:13 No.208090431
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:23:07 No.208091115
Tokyo Story was my pick for greatest film ever made and now I'm pissed that directors are bandwagoning me.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:25:03 No.208091157
>>208089990
Nothing contrarian about it. Touch of Evil is a strong contender for Welles' best.
Nothing contrarian about it. Touch of Evil is a strong contender for Welles' best.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:26:52 No.208091184
>>208089785
Who the hell actually considers The Rules of the Game their favourite film?
Who the hell actually considers The Rules of the Game their favourite film?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:35:50 No.208091369
>>208089625
PROS:
>Godfather I
>Taxi Driver
>Barry Lyndon
>Playtime
CONS:
>2001 (Pretty good, but not TOP 24 good. Personally I'm a Clockwork Orange guy.)
>Sunrise (Boring af. If we’re talking silents, swap it out with The Gold Rush or The General)
PROS:
>Godfather I
>Taxi Driver
>Barry Lyndon
>Playtime
CONS:
>2001 (Pretty good, but not TOP 24 good. Personally I'm a Clockwork Orange guy.)
>Sunrise (Boring af. If we’re talking silents, swap it out with The Gold Rush or The General)
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:37:51 No.208091410
>Night of the Hunter
talk about a movie that completely falls apart in the third act
talk about a movie that completely falls apart in the third act
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:37:54 No.208091413
>A bad rip-off of "Make a Way for Tomorrow" chosen as best film of all time
All nowdays directors should get the rope.
All nowdays directors should get the rope.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:40:33 No.208091458
>>208089990
The Stranger over Citizen Kane would be contrarian. Touch of Evil is a strong choice.
The Stranger over Citizen Kane would be contrarian. Touch of Evil is a strong choice.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:42:10 No.208091483
>>208089650
Pretty sure they just lump Godfather 1 and 2 into the same movie when making these lists now.
Pretty sure they just lump Godfather 1 and 2 into the same movie when making these lists now.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:42:13 No.208091486
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:42:41 No.208091495
>>208091410
It was a worse version of M's final act from what I remember. Still a great movie overall.
It was a worse version of M's final act from what I remember. Still a great movie overall.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:42:56 No.208091501
vertigo was really lame for the 'best movie of all time' compared to anything else on this list
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:50:56 No.208091673
>>208091501
It was great visually, but Rear Window was much stronger all around.
It was great visually, but Rear Window was much stronger all around.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:55:33 No.208091765
>>208091501
When I watched it, I immediately got the impression that Jimmy Stewart was the wrong man for the lead, I looked it up after I finished and lo and behold Hitchcock himself said the exact same thing, so it baffles me with that in mind that it's considered the greatest film of all time by so many critics.
When I watched it, I immediately got the impression that Jimmy Stewart was the wrong man for the lead, I looked it up after I finished and lo and behold Hitchcock himself said the exact same thing, so it baffles me with that in mind that it's considered the greatest film of all time by so many critics.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)18:56:38 No.208091789
Playtime is so fucking good, bros. Mon Oncle as well.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:27:43 No.208092336
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:37:15 No.208092491
>>208089625
Actually very good, aside from Vertigo being number 2. It's great, but what do people see in it for it to be second? It's not THAT good.
Actually very good, aside from Vertigo being number 2. It's great, but what do people see in it for it to be second? It's not THAT good.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:42:42 No.208092589
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:43:25 No.208092600
where is Black Panther?
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Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:47:14 No.208092674
>>208089625
pretentious trash
pretentious trash
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:48:59 No.208092710
>pretentious literally who movies
Sweaty the greatest movie of all time is Kill Bill (both parts), followed closely by Rocky 1
Sweaty the greatest movie of all time is Kill Bill (both parts), followed closely by Rocky 1
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:52:36 No.208092782
what a bunch of pseuds. the great movie of all time is predator
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)19:59:43 No.208092915
>>208092782
Cope
Cope
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:01:07 No.208092949
>>208092915
vertigo? vertigo? its a good movie but come on now
vertigo? vertigo? its a good movie but come on now
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:02:34 No.208092973
>>208089625
21 = soap opera for men. the last scene of Floating Weeds has so much texture + details it's like reading a great book. Ozu is beyond tho i usu don't have the patience to sit through them.
21 = soap opera for men. the last scene of Floating Weeds has so much texture + details it's like reading a great book. Ozu is beyond tho i usu don't have the patience to sit through them.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:03:38 No.208092988
>>208092491
>>208091765
Outside of the standout cinematography that has faded with age and imitation a bit I agree, but it’s probably the ending. Nobody can end a story, but Vertigo did it perfectly. Rear Window, psycho, NxNW, and Saboteur are still better in my retard opinion though. As for Jimmy, there was always a complicated relationship there which is why Hitchcock gave him shit, but nobody could’ve done that role better.
>>208091765
Outside of the standout cinematography that has faded with age and imitation a bit I agree, but it’s probably the ending. Nobody can end a story, but Vertigo did it perfectly. Rear Window, psycho, NxNW, and Saboteur are still better in my retard opinion though. As for Jimmy, there was always a complicated relationship there which is why Hitchcock gave him shit, but nobody could’ve done that role better.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:03:47 No.208092992
>>208092949
Vertigo is very mid compared to Psycho and various other movies, but that still doesn't make reddit slop like Predator or Parasite good
Vertigo is very mid compared to Psycho and various other movies, but that still doesn't make reddit slop like Predator or Parasite good
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:03:58 No.208092995
>>208089625
The greatest film of all time is Mortal Kombat (1995) and all directors are COWARDS until they admit that.
The greatest film of all time is Mortal Kombat (1995) and all directors are COWARDS until they admit that.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:06:49 No.208093033
>>208092995
now thats bold
now thats bold
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Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:11:27 No.208093103
>>208093095
Cry Nolan faggot, cry
Cry Nolan faggot, cry
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:25:58 No.208093389
>No Shawshank anywhere
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:27:47 No.208093427
>>208089625
Who the fuck picked taxi driver lol
Who the fuck picked taxi driver lol
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:29:24 No.208093464
Wheres The Dark Knight?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:32:28 No.208093517
>>208089625
Did I get filtered? I consider Vertigo and Touch of Evil outwardly bad films.
Did I get filtered? I consider Vertigo and Touch of Evil outwardly bad films.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:36:24 No.208093608
>>208089625
>>208092630
Yeah desu, Pickpocket always makes these lists, but I rarely see A Man Escaped, I wonder why.
>>208093517
What did you dislike about Vertigo? Even if you don't consider it an all-time great, it's a beautifully shot film with a strong narrative filled with symbolism.
>>208092630
Yeah desu, Pickpocket always makes these lists, but I rarely see A Man Escaped, I wonder why.
>>208093517
What did you dislike about Vertigo? Even if you don't consider it an all-time great, it's a beautifully shot film with a strong narrative filled with symbolism.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:40:04 No.208093688
>>208089625
I will die filtered by Playtime.
I will die filtered by Playtime.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:40:07 No.208093689
>>208089735
favourite movie doesn't mean greatest movie
favourite movie doesn't mean greatest movie
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:46:40 No.208093802
Lmao
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)20:46:51 No.208093809
>>208093517
Vertigo is a solid thriller, massively overrated but still solid
Vertigo is a solid thriller, massively overrated but still solid
Zoom Zoom 01/22/25(Wed)20:48:20 No.208093842
>>208089625
>Vertigo being the second best film of all time (not even the best Hitchcock lol)
>Barry Lyndon, the most generic washed out 70s historical film ever made over Space Odyssey, Dr. Strangelove, Spartacus, Eyes Wide Shut, and Paths of Glory
>Tati in the top 10 over fucking 8 1/2 and Taxi Driver
>Mirror and not Ivan's Childhood, Solaris, or Stalker
>Woman Under the Influence
>All these fucking noir movies
>Contempt over Breathless
>The Godfather and not Apocalypse now
>No Bergman, Herzog
I swear all you needed to do to make a "best film ever" back in the 60s was just make a noir movie about a guy cucking his family with a breathy blond European sex kitten with a lot of close-up shots and you'd be seen as a visionary
>Vertigo being the second best film of all time (not even the best Hitchcock lol)
>Barry Lyndon, the most generic washed out 70s historical film ever made over Space Odyssey, Dr. Strangelove, Spartacus, Eyes Wide Shut, and Paths of Glory
>Tati in the top 10 over fucking 8 1/2 and Taxi Driver
>Mirror and not Ivan's Childhood, Solaris, or Stalker
>Woman Under the Influence
>All these fucking noir movies
>Contempt over Breathless
>The Godfather and not Apocalypse now
>No Bergman, Herzog
I swear all you needed to do to make a "best film ever" back in the 60s was just make a noir movie about a guy cucking his family with a breathy blond European sex kitten with a lot of close-up shots and you'd be seen as a visionary
Zoom Zoom 01/22/25(Wed)21:04:17 No.208094165
>>208091501
It has amazing cinematography and some lines that stick with me but I agree, it's not Stewart nor Hitchcock's best.
It has amazing cinematography and some lines that stick with me but I agree, it's not Stewart nor Hitchcock's best.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:22:32 No.208094556
>>208094165
I'm more angry about Tokyo Story being that high when so many better Japanese films exist
I'm more angry about Tokyo Story being that high when so many better Japanese films exist
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:26:58 No.208094659
Zoom Zoom 01/22/25(Wed)21:40:01 No.208094920
>>208094556
Agreed, hell Seven Samurai would be a better choice from that same era.
Agreed, hell Seven Samurai would be a better choice from that same era.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)21:53:53 No.208095163
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:22:10 No.208095680
>>208091765
I think it being Jimmy Stewart is part of what makes it so great. He's ordinary, and madness overtakes him. He isn't the type of guy to go seeking out obsession, it's something that falls into him. Makes his sickness seem that much more pointed.
I think it being Jimmy Stewart is part of what makes it so great. He's ordinary, and madness overtakes him. He isn't the type of guy to go seeking out obsession, it's something that falls into him. Makes his sickness seem that much more pointed.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:25:57 No.208095742
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:26:36 No.208095751
>>208093842
There is nothing more pathetic than being a namefag on 4chan. Opinion instantly and permanently disregarded without consideration. You should have to have that you're a namefag tattooed on your forehead irl so people know to spit on you.
There is nothing more pathetic than being a namefag on 4chan. Opinion instantly and permanently disregarded without consideration. You should have to have that you're a namefag tattooed on your forehead irl so people know to spit on you.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:44:14 No.208096034
Is Rules of the Game actually that good or just pseud trash like the Exterminating Angel?
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:46:30 No.208096075
>>208096034
Good news! You aren't allowed to watch movies anymore and you never allowed to talk again about the ones you've already seen. Also you're being put in jail.
Good news! You aren't allowed to watch movies anymore and you never allowed to talk again about the ones you've already seen. Also you're being put in jail.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:49:14 No.208096121
>>208089625
the reason why Citizen Kane is so good is because it invented basically the camera work and techniques subsequent films would use
the reason why Citizen Kane is so good is because it invented basically the camera work and techniques subsequent films would use
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:54:01 No.208096195
>>208096121
The story is also kino, but people are filtered by the dialogue and editing. It would have to remade with ADHD production (like Oppenheimer) to keep their attention.
The story is also kino, but people are filtered by the dialogue and editing. It would have to remade with ADHD production (like Oppenheimer) to keep their attention.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:55:48 No.208096214
>>208089625
I haven't seen any of these dogshit movies.
I haven't seen any of these dogshit movies.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:57:06 No.208096233
>>208096214
This. Where's Fast X? The Expendables? What were these directors smoking lmao
This. Where's Fast X? The Expendables? What were these directors smoking lmao
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:58:15 No.208096245
>>208096075
how is this good news
how is this good news
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:59:00 No.208096256
>>208094556
>>208094920
Nah, you got filtered by Ozu. He definitely deserves to be higher than Kurosawa.
>>208094920
Nah, you got filtered by Ozu. He definitely deserves to be higher than Kurosawa.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)22:59:03 No.208096258
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:00:08 No.208096268
>>208096121
>it invented basically the camera work and techniques subsequent films would use
Not true in the slightest. True using your brain and actually watching movies older than Citizen Kane. All it did was popularise shit that half the time was already fully present in Hollywood.
>it invented basically the camera work and techniques subsequent films would use
Not true in the slightest. True using your brain and actually watching movies older than Citizen Kane. All it did was popularise shit that half the time was already fully present in Hollywood.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:00:37 No.208096278
>>208096245
Goods news for all the rest of us
Goods news for all the rest of us
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:01:12 No.208096291
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:07:49 No.208096425
>>208089625
The only movie from 2000 onwards that made the top 50 was Mulholland Drive and In the Mood for Love. They were also the only 21st century films in the top 100
The only movie from 2000 onwards that made the top 50 was Mulholland Drive and In the Mood for Love. They were also the only 21st century films in the top 100
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:09:01 No.208096445
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:35:08 No.208096899
I'm glad people moved on from that piece of shit Citizen Kane
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:45:41 No.208097071
>>208096899
But now they rate tokyo story as nº1 of all time when Ozu made better flicks
But now they rate tokyo story as nº1 of all time when Ozu made better flicks
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:50:40 No.208097166
>>208091115
I've always strongly preferred An Autumn Afternoon.
Nip dialogue can be really too theatrical for its own good and scenes in Tokyo Story where shot reverse shot turns into shot reverse shot but flat to camera it's basically Ozu beating the audience over the head with "the character is saying this but dear audience I want you to know this is something I want you to take from the film too, look they're talking right at you". It's rubbing my face in your point and it's an annoying contrast to the rest of Ozu's style.
I've always strongly preferred An Autumn Afternoon.
Nip dialogue can be really too theatrical for its own good and scenes in Tokyo Story where shot reverse shot turns into shot reverse shot but flat to camera it's basically Ozu beating the audience over the head with "the character is saying this but dear audience I want you to know this is something I want you to take from the film too, look they're talking right at you". It's rubbing my face in your point and it's an annoying contrast to the rest of Ozu's style.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:54:55 No.208097222
>>208089625
Taxi Driver sucks.
Taxi Driver sucks.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:57:27 No.208097261
>>208089625
Man, directors have terrible taste.
Man, directors have terrible taste.
Anonymous 01/22/25(Wed)23:58:17 No.208097272
>>208089625
I'm sure eventually it'll flip back around and Citizen Kane will return to #1. The only reason it got bumped is because it's extensively about humanizing a rich white male. It horrifies the liberal mind
I'm sure eventually it'll flip back around and Citizen Kane will return to #1. The only reason it got bumped is because it's extensively about humanizing a rich white male. It horrifies the liberal mind
Zoom Zoom 01/23/25(Thu)00:01:57 No.208097324
>>208096256
>He definitely deserves to be higher than Kurosawa.
I don't see filmmakers ripping off Tokyo Story anywhere near as blatantly as they have any of Kurosawa's samurai movies since their release.
>>208096195
I love the story and it bothers me deeply that The Brutalist dropped the ball given it was very similar.
>He definitely deserves to be higher than Kurosawa.
I don't see filmmakers ripping off Tokyo Story anywhere near as blatantly as they have any of Kurosawa's samurai movies since their release.
>>208096195
I love the story and it bothers me deeply that The Brutalist dropped the ball given it was very similar.
Zoom Zoom 01/23/25(Thu)00:04:16 No.208097356
>>208097261
It was a different time
It was a different time
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)00:07:19 No.208097386
>>208096291
Von Stroheim mogs like 75% of that list desu
Von Stroheim mogs like 75% of that list desu
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)00:11:34 No.208097440
>>208089785
Cinema was invented in France. Why wouldn't there be?
Cinema was invented in France. Why wouldn't there be?
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)00:15:45 No.208097515
>>208097272
Citizen Kane is dogshit and has fallen off big time. Mulholland Drive is the predicted film to become the new consensus #1
Citizen Kane is dogshit and has fallen off big time. Mulholland Drive is the predicted film to become the new consensus #1
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)01:04:42 No.208098171
bump
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)01:21:00 No.208098362
Rules of the Game is so fucking boring and bland
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)01:26:07 No.208098429
>>208096245
you'll finally los your virginity in jail
you'll finally los your virginity in jail
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)01:42:23 No.208098662
>>208089625
>Ugetsu
based
I'd vote the Grand Illusion over Rules of the Game for Renoir, but hey that's just me.
>Ugetsu
based
I'd vote the Grand Illusion over Rules of the Game for Renoir, but hey that's just me.
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)02:00:12 No.208098893
>>208089625
Nobody here could explain what's good or what they liked about any of the movies in the top 10
Nobody here could explain what's good or what they liked about any of the movies in the top 10
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)02:34:28 No.208099307
>>208098893
I like The Night of the Hunter for its moodiness and creepy antagonist who's a constant, overbearing threat. Its shadow-play was really well done as well.
Barry Lyndon looked amazing throughout, but the plot is only decent enough.
I like The Night of the Hunter for its moodiness and creepy antagonist who's a constant, overbearing threat. Its shadow-play was really well done as well.
Barry Lyndon looked amazing throughout, but the plot is only decent enough.
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)02:38:54 No.208099363
I've seen 2 of those films
Zoom Zoom 01/23/25(Thu)02:48:43 No.208099480
>>208098893
400 Blows does everything Rebel Without A Cause did but far better, with a much more interesting and well-constructed plot and setting, had better cinematography, and a FAR better script.
Tokyo Story is max comfy (though other Japanese, American, and European films in it's vein did what it did far more effectively).
Vertigo is one of the prettiest movies I've ever seen as the cinematography really moved me, and gave me somewhat of an existential crisis that this was what the U.S (and specifically SF) looked like before the Boomers decided "nah, fuck that".
2001 meanwhile has some of the best PfX, costume work, and music of any film and has an impeccable legacy. It ushered in a brief period on the silver screen before Star Wars and Cyberpunk where Sci-Fi was a much more intelligent and sophisticated genre.
Night Of The Hunter is one of the only American films that really captures the essence of German expressionist film and Americanizes it in the best sense of the term.
I don't care for the others, especially fucking Barry Lyndon.
400 Blows does everything Rebel Without A Cause did but far better, with a much more interesting and well-constructed plot and setting, had better cinematography, and a FAR better script.
Tokyo Story is max comfy (though other Japanese, American, and European films in it's vein did what it did far more effectively).
Vertigo is one of the prettiest movies I've ever seen as the cinematography really moved me, and gave me somewhat of an existential crisis that this was what the U.S (and specifically SF) looked like before the Boomers decided "nah, fuck that".
2001 meanwhile has some of the best PfX, costume work, and music of any film and has an impeccable legacy. It ushered in a brief period on the silver screen before Star Wars and Cyberpunk where Sci-Fi was a much more intelligent and sophisticated genre.
Night Of The Hunter is one of the only American films that really captures the essence of German expressionist film and Americanizes it in the best sense of the term.
I don't care for the others, especially fucking Barry Lyndon.
Zoom Zoom 01/23/25(Thu)03:22:49 No.208099849
>>208099363
Which ones?
Which ones?
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)03:53:40 No.208100187
>>208089625
if taxi driver is 13 why should I bother with art house crap what is the point in searching the depth of cinema when this is better
if taxi driver is 13 why should I bother with art house crap what is the point in searching the depth of cinema when this is better
Anonymous 01/23/25(Thu)04:16:13 No.208100423
>>208100187
Because you might find a new niche or director you like in it. Not all of these acclaimed movies are boring arthouse flicks, even if some might seem like it at first glance.
Because you might find a new niche or director you like in it. Not all of these acclaimed movies are boring arthouse flicks, even if some might seem like it at first glance.