he's probably right. screenwriting is extremely formulaic. any midwit with rich and connected parents can follow the basic three act template and get something made, even get awards

>>208013946
Schrader is 80 years old and been an alcoholic for at least 50. He made his last good film in the 80s. Of course he's out of ideas.

>>208013992
>screenwriting is extremely formulaic
This is the problem. We've allowed people who genuinely lack imagination and originality to hijack the making of shows and films, which is why even the most weakly original work is lauded as brilliant. Fact is, they are there because of connections, not talent, and the fact that AI can mog them is a no brainer. It's like saying a reatrd who can trace is a better artist than your 3 year old kid drawing stick figures. Allowing our "culture" to be captured by a handful of people who scammed their way into it was a grim, grim mistake.

Schrader's idea of a good script is Pickpocket rehash #159

ChatGPT 4o

You said:
Give me an idea for a Paul W.S. Anderson film.
ChatGPT said:
ChatGPT
Here’s a concept for a Paul W.S. Anderson-style film:

Title: Inferno Protocol
Genre: Sci-fi Action Thriller

Setting: A post-apocalyptic Earth, where solar flares have caused catastrophic environmental changes, creating a hostile, scorched wasteland. Survivors live in underground megacities powered by artificial suns.

Plot: A brilliant but morally gray scientist, Dr. Evelyn Cross, is forced to team up with a rugged, ex-military scavenger, Lucas Kane, to recover a stolen piece of technology: the Inferno Protocol, a device capable of restarting Earth's natural ecosystem. The device has been stolen by a rogue faction that believes humanity doesn't deserve redemption and wants to destroy the underground cities to let nature reclaim the surface.

The mission takes the duo through crumbling ruins, irradiated deserts, and cybernetic outposts controlled by AI drones left over from the pre-apocalypse era. Along the way, they uncover shocking truths: the Inferno Protocol isn’t just a terraforming tool—it’s also a weapon capable of burning Earth’s surface to ash to "reset" evolution entirely.

Action Sequences:

A high-speed chase through collapsing underground tunnels on solar-powered hoverbikes.
A brutal hand-to-hand combat scene in a dilapidated skyscraper against a faction of biomechanically-enhanced soldiers.
A final showdown in an abandoned orbital launch site as the rogue faction attempts to send the Inferno Protocol into space to detonate in Earth's atmosphere.
Style: The film would feature Anderson's trademark kinetic action sequences, slow-motion combat, and a visually stunning mix of practical and CGI effects to portray the stark contrast between Earth's wasteland and the neon-lit underground cities.Lots of lens flares and dramatic lighting.

Themes: Redemption, human resilience, and the ethical dilemma of deciding who gets to control the fate of the planet.

>>208014129
Now do Paul Schrader

>>208014129
Oh, no.
It sounds kino.

"A Toe in the Game" - Directed by Q. Tarantino
Tagline: "In a world of speakeasies and secrets, no one gets away clean... or barefoot."

Script Excerpt:

(The muffled sounds of “Let’s Have Another Cup of Coffee” filter in from the main room as the camera pans to Fox’s face, half-lit by a flickering lantern.)

Vivienne (playfully): You’ve been awful quiet, Fox. Something on your mind?

Fox (smirking, lights a cigarette): Just admiring the view.

(He gestures vaguely at the wall, but his eyes betray him—they linger on her foot, draped lazily over the table. Vivienne notices, her red lips curling into a mischievous grin.)

Vivienne (teasing): You’ve got ways of looking at things.

Fox (taking a drag and leaning forward): I just like the finer things. You’re the one putting ‘em on display.

(Vivienne raises an eyebrow and stretches her foot closer to him, her ankle adorned with a delicate bracelet that glints in the low light.)

Vivienne (softly): You know what they say about foxes, don’t you? Always sniffing around places they don’t belong.

Fox (grinning, leaning back): Yeah, but sometimes they find what they’re looking for.

(The tension thickens as Vivienne grabs a glass of whiskey from the table, swirling it casually.)

Vivienne (with an edge in her voice): Careful, Fox. You’ve got eyes like a man who wants more than he should. That kind of look gets people hurt in this town.

Fox (shrugging): Maybe. Or maybe that kind of look gets a man exactly where he wants to be.

(The song in the background grows louder as Vivienne stands, walking barefoot around the table. She stops behind Fox’s chair, her fingers brushing his shoulder as she leans down to whisper in his ear.)

Vivienne (whispering): Watch your step, darling. The ground’s slipperier than it looks.

(She slips back into her seat, her smirk unshaken. Fox exhales slowly, the camera zooming in on the ash falling from his cigarette as the scene fades out, leaving only the upbeat irony of the song lingering.)

>>208014154
>It sounds kino.
Only because you are so accustomed to repetitive slop. AI just regurgitates and mixes what it already finds, just better than the hacks making movies. Let genuinely creative people write films and you'd see why the example was actually not original at all. It's just dropping tropes into a blender.

>>208013992
>any midwit with rich and connected parents can follow the basic three act template

That's the thing, nowadays they cannot do even that, how many movies with second third act we had in past five years.

>>208013946
Nice coke nail.

>>208014129
>THE INFERNO PROTOCOL IS... LE BAD?
You kinda see the cracks in ChatGPT's approach because it is very unimaginative when it comes to things like twists. ChatGPT is gonna suggest a movie about Project Icarus that goes horribly wrong because of Man's Hubris.

>>208014151
>>208014129
now do LEONARD Schrader

Plot Overview:
The story follows a diverse group of soldiers from different backgrounds—Americans, Germans, British, and even French—that are forced into an unlikely truce and alliance during a final, desperate push to break the stalemate on the Western Front. They must work together to sabotage a German command post deep behind enemy lines, a mission that could turn the tide of the war. However, as they trek through the no-man’s-land between the trenches, tensions rise—betrayals are uncovered, old grudges emerge, and the horrors of war push each character to their breaking point.

Key Themes:
Morality and Survival: As soldiers from different nations find themselves fighting for the same goal, they question what’s truly worth fighting for. The distinction between heroism and survival blurs as they struggle to stay alive.
Revenge: A key subplot centers on a French soldier whose family was killed in a bombing raid, seeking revenge against a German officer who was responsible. Along the way, his pursuit of vengeance becomes intertwined with the larger mission.
Camaraderie and Betrayal: Tarantino’s trademark style of long, tension-filled conversations would shine here as characters bond, argue, and backstab in a confined, high-pressure environment.
Characters:
The Disillusioned Sergeant (a hardened, world-weary character who believes the war is pointless, perhaps played by someone like Samuel L. Jackson): He’s seen it all and is only in the fight because there’s nowhere else to go.
The Ambitious Young Officer (played by someone like Timothée Chalamet or Tom Holland): Eager to prove himself, but naive, he quickly learns the brutality of warfare.
The German Sniper (played by Christoph Waltz or Michael Fassbender): A cold, calculating soldier with a deep sense of honor but an equally dangerous streak.
The French Resistance Spy (played by Léa Seydoux or Marion Cotillard): A woman disguised as a man to infiltrate the trenches and exact her own form of revenge.

>>208014129
>>208014169
>>208014249
cool it with the ai slop spam

>>208014273
No.

>>208014129
>A post-apocalyptic Ea...
snore

Imagine an Akira Kurosawa film set on the WWI Middle Eastern front, titled "Shadows of the Desert". This would be a film that blends Kurosawa’s masterful storytelling, deep character studies, and intense moral dilemmas against the harsh and unforgiving backdrop of the desert.

Plot Overview:
The film follows a group of soldiers from different nations—British, Ottoman, and Arab—who are brought together under unlikely circumstances. A British officer, Captain William Hargrave, is sent on a high-stakes mission to coordinate with Arab rebel forces led by a charismatic and unpredictable tribal leader, Fahad al-Khalid. Their objective is to capture a vital Ottoman supply depot in the desert, which could turn the tide of the war in the region.

However, as the mission progresses, the group is caught in a web of conflicting loyalties, shifting allegiances, and the brutal realities of desert warfare. The film explores themes of honor, betrayal, and the cost of war on the individual soul, with deep philosophical discussions about the nature of leadership, loyalty, and the weight of history.

>>208014304
Who is this she has very cute teeth.

>>208013946
Chatgpt: Here's an idea for a David Lynch-style movie:

Title: "The Echoing Room"
Tagline: "The walls remember what you try to forget."

Plot Overview:
In a small, decaying town overshadowed by a mysterious factory, a reclusive sound engineer named Elliot Graves discovers an old reel-to-reel tape recorder at an estate sale. The recorder, covered in dust and age, carries a strange aura. When he plays it, the tape reveals cryptic whispers and distorted, haunting music that seems to react to his emotions and surroundings.

As Elliot obsessively listens, the whispers begin to recognize him, calling his name and revealing intimate details from his past—things he has long buried. Nightmares blend into reality, and he starts experiencing strange visions: a red-velvet-clad figure standing in his living room, flickering lights that form eerie patterns, and an unsettling woman with no face but an ever-smiling mouth.

Characters:

Elliot Graves: A quiet, troubled man with a painful past linked to a mysterious disappearance in his childhood.
Lillian Moore: A waitress at the local diner who seems to know more about the town's secrets than she lets on.
Mr. Vance: The cryptic antique store owner who sold Elliot the recorder—he speaks in riddles and watches too closely.
The Echoing Woman: A spectral figure appearing in flickering TV screens and darkened corners, always whispering forgotten truths.
Themes:

Memory as a haunting force, lingering and distorting reality.
The intersection of sound, consciousness, and the supernatural.
The decay of small-town innocence into something unsettling and surreal.
The idea of being "watched" by inanimate objects, technology, and one's own guilt.

>>208014527
(cont) Visual Style:

Long, hypnotic tracking shots of empty, neon-lit diners at 3 AM.
Close-ups on objects that seem too still, like they're waiting.
Sudden shifts in reality, with characters appearing in dreamlike loops of their own lives.
A soundtrack of eerie, droning ambient sounds mixed with jazz, distorted voices, and distant, hollow laughter.
Ending:
Elliot finally tracks the origin of the tapes to the abandoned factory on the outskirts of town, where he uncovers a room filled with thousands of tapes—each one containing whispers of people who have disappeared. As he plays the last tape, the screen fades to black, and the whispers ask: "Are you listening now?"

Would you watch it?

It can probably churn out slop on the same level as most screenwriters churn out slop, so they should definitely worry about being replaced. But last year I saw this movie Locke, with Bane in it. It's a terrific movie. But the whole movie is just Bane in his car taking phone calls. And I don't think it would be possible to teach an AI and understanding of why the film is good. The difference between a gripping engaging film that is just a man in a car for 2 hours versus a dull forgettable flick that is 2 hours of twists and turns and explosions and thrills is not something that I think you could produce a vector for.

>>208014129
>it’s also a weapon capable of burning Earth’s surface to ash to "reset" evolution entirely.
Isn't it already burned to ash?

>>208013946
Why is Harmony Korine on this list?

>>208014169
>Script Excerpt:
That's not how scripts are written or formatted.

>>208013992
This is true. It's also why 90% of films that are greenlit are mediocre-at-best.
They only greenlight films that follow very cliched formulae. And these films are so simple to write that it's more advantageous to just hire a nepo retard so that the producers can court favours from their family.

>>208014129
This sounds like a much better version of Anderson's actual upcoming film. Brilliant

>>208014185
it doesnt have to surpass actual talent
if it can bring up as good a slop as these "writers" in a few seconds then thats great. since humans are mostly retarded sadly AI will never be better than mostly retarded either. its not the AIs fault it gets fed slop after slop after slop

>>208014249
Oh wow, sounds like actual kin-
>Tarantino’s trademark style
Oh. Nevermind

>>208014533
>Would you watch it?
Needs a better ending. The problem with most modern surrealist films is that they completely lack any sort of satisfying ending or conclusion. A lot of filmmakers use surrealism as an excuse to be incredibly lazy and non-committal with their story-telling.

Unironically, the way to fix this is to ignore the surrealism for a second and focus on what the film is
>guy lives in a decaying town
>assumedly has few to no friends based on the summary
>finds old tape that affects him deeply
>leads to him obsessing over the tape's origins
>when he finds the tape he finds that it's not special, it's just one of thousands
So you can sort of sum that up as the tape represents his attempt at filling the void in his life. So the film should end with that directly addressed.

An example of an ending that would still keep the surrealist themes might be something like
>in the abandoned factory, he meets a man who tells him about the tapes
>the man reveals that he recorded all the tapes
>Elliot asks how the man got into doing it
>the man says he sat down one day and just started doing it and it was infinitely relaxing
>he asks Elliot if he wants to try
>Elliot agrees
>film fades to black as Elliot sits making weird whispers into the tape recorder with an invigorated innocent smile on his face

>>208014129
it comes up with good synopsis, but actually implementing the idea to full effect requires tonnes of human thinking

Give me the plot of a film that is similar to ingmar bergman
ChatGPT said:

Here’s a plot inspired by the themes, style, and existential depth often found in Ingmar Bergman’s films:

Title: Shadows and Whispers
In a remote, decaying coastal manor, three estranged siblings reunite to care for their dying mother, Margareta, a former pianist whose mysterious life still looms over them. The siblings—Sofia, a quiet, deeply religious woman; Elias, a pragmatic but emotionally distant doctor; and Helena, a free-spirited painter estranged from the family—confront the ghosts of their shared past during this bleak winter.

As Margareta’s health deteriorates, the house becomes a pressure cooker of suppressed emotions. Sofia clings to her faith, trying to find solace in prayer, yet she secretly questions God’s silence. Elias becomes obsessed with the idea of prolonging Margareta’s life, driven more by guilt than love, while Helena explores the house, uncovering old journals, letters, and photographs that hint at a dark secret in their mother’s youth.


Kino

>>208015094
>tonnes of human thinking
Not really. Just the time to sit down and insert the generic tropes that are required. You can even use chatgpt again to make this easier.
>I need a scene where the smart closed-off young space woman realises that the battle-weary curt space cowboy she's been travelling with is someone she likes. But it can't be too over the top or mushy

>>208015166
Just shows how Bergman is banal shit boring.

>Can you come up with a plot that would resemble a sequel to Pan's Labyrinth?

Title: "Labyrinth's Legacy"
Setting: Post-Civil War Spain, 1950s. The echoes of war have subsided, but the wounds of the past still linger.
The story follows Elena, a young girl who stumbles upon her grandmother Ofelia's diary. She learns of Ofelia's journey into the mystical labyrinth and becomes captivated by the tales of the Faun, the creatures, and the trials. Elena's curiosity leads her to the overgrown ruins of the labyrinth, where she discovers that the magical world still exists, though it lies in disrepair, teetering on the brink of collapse due to neglect and fading belief.

Characters:
Elena: A brave and imaginative girl who seeks adventure and the truth about her family's legacy.
The Faun: Mysterious and wise, but now weary and weakened, he urges Elena to restore the balance between the human world and the magical realm.
Sebastian: A young boy from the village who befriends Elena and becomes her loyal companion.
The Shadow King: A dark and twisted ruler who has seized control of the labyrinth, spreading fear and corruption.

Plot Points:

Meeting the Faun: Elena meets the Faun, who explains that the labyrinth's magic is fading because people have stopped believing in it.
The Trials: Elena and Sebastian must complete a series of trials to restore the labyrinth's magic, each trial representing a different aspect of human virtue (courage, compassion, wisdom).
The Shadow King: The duo learns that the Shadow King has taken over the labyrinth, feeding off fear and despair. They must confront him to restore harmony.
Climactic Battle: In an epic showdown, Elena and Sebastian face the Shadow King, using the virtues they've embodied to weaken him.
Restoration: With the Shadow King defeated, the labyrinth begins to flourish once more. The Faun thanks Elena and Sebastian, and they return to their world, forever changed by their journey.

(I cut this down for space)

No one complains of writer's block anymore now AI exists. It will take a few big wig names to build out a proper kino AI machine in their image for automatic movie creation. Until then the quality of scripts should really go up since we have the technology to give every wannabe writer a writer's room of sycophants.

>>208015672
Quality won't go up, frequency will go up. But there was never a problem with a lack of scripts so nothing will change in that area.
The bigger change will come in the production side. Ai vfx, allowing for huge cgi effects and additional b-footage shots to be created in seconds essentially for free will completely upturn the entire industry.

AI can only replicate what has already existed, not what is currently unfolding. I don't see how it can truly imitate modern human experiences. Even existential dread about AI would just be a reflection of past existential fears rather than something uniquely human

>>208013992
Hollywood has been using ai for decades probably

>>208016195
>imitate modern human experiences
not this, anything but this.

>>208014356
That's lawrence of arabia?

>>208013946
yeah, no.. this is like m night shyamalan at his worst

>>208014356
>>208016648
it really seems like AI just copies an existing outline and changes the nouns to hide the theft.

>>208016567
escapism is arguably even more difficult to make good than realistic drama.

>>208016695
pretty similar to “The Endless”

>>208013946
Isn't there an old saying along the lines of "every story in history follows the same eight (or whatever number) plots"?

>Give me an idea for an A24-produced, genre-redefining, trope-subverting, atmospheric, dark and eerie, emotionally draining, gut wrenching, aesthetically heavy craft by post-horror auteur with an arthouse edge, dread-inducing, suspenseful build up with strong character development and gradual feeling of escalation, bone-chilling slow burn with “say more with less” approach and soul-shaking, blood-curdling, skin-crawling and nerve-wracking exercise in persistently looming dread where tension and anxiety permeates every frame as movie reaches its nail-biting, jaw-clenching and paranoia-inducing final climax, free of any cheap gore, cartoonish CGI or infantile jumpscares horror film, please:

Title: The Unseen Ones

Premise:
The Unseen Ones follows Hannah, a woman returning to her childhood home in a remote mountain town after her estranged mother's sudden death. The house, once familiar, now feels unsettlingly alien. As she sorts through her mother's belongings, she uncovers cryptic journals that reference mysterious figures known as “the unseen ones” — ancient watchers tied to an eerie local legend. As strange events and distorted reflections occur, Hannah begins to question her reality and the town's dark secrets.

Plot & Climax:
As Hannah uncovers the horrifying truth, she learns that her family has long been part of a pact, where each generation must offer a “guardian” to the unseen ones. This guardian is not sacrificed, but transformed into one of the eternal watchers. As Hannah uncovers her own involvement, she faces the chilling truth that she is the next chosen one, bound by blood to fulfill the ancient pact.

A tense, atmospheric exploration of fate, guilt, and the suffocating weight of family secret

>>208015094
hence why AI is a tool
the whole AI debate is retarded because u have two extremes fighting over a simple solution
one side says no AI whatsoever and the other side says AI should create the entire film from script to visuals to acting to directing etc.
the solution is using it as a tool to streamline the process, in a similar way that a talented film maker would use CGI to streamline VFX (i.e. not use it for everything but to enhance certain aspects of practical effects and locations, motion capture etc.). so yeah, using AI to come up with a synopsis isn't the worst thing in the world, really no different then a writer taking an idea that's been sold by another writer and doing their take on the script

>>208014249
>Americans, Germans, British, and even French—that are forced into an unlikely truce and alliance
An unlikely truce and alliance... between allied countries?