Quantum mechanics is real, you wouldn't be able to post this crap on 4ch without it working. As for if something deeper lies underneath, well, no one knows - at least no one can prove it.

there are multiple quantum experiments and they all produce this same result. see quantum eraser.

wave behavior is the result of uniform particles in a kind of sea, see water or sand etc.
without a determined location, the electrons/photons can interact with themselves and cause this property.
this explains both patterns and therefoe is by far the best theory we have.

the picture is wrong btw. its always lines on the detector and not dots.
at least for those slits.

>>16556649
like a sort of BEC?

>>16556613
stop posting these dumb illustrations and post the actual experimental setup

mods should be perma banning anyone that doesnt

>>16556661
Write a complaint about it.

>>16556652
for my feeling a legitimate comparison to some extent, yes.
but here it is the result of uncertainty and not some macroscopic common condition or several bosons.
but I have only a little knowledge about those condensates.

>>16556661
mods should also ban the entire /pol/tard posts but decide not to.
pathetic if /sci/ is supposed to be a halfway scientific place.
was probably already totally stupefied by the misinformation and without a serious educational background.

Isn't this shit just a thought experiment? Like, do we actually have one to one photons shooters?

>>16556818
The double-slit experiment has been performed countless times since it was first conducted by Thomas Young in 1801. Over the years, it has been repeated in various forms and with increasing sophistication, especially in the context of modern physics.

>>16556822
All videos I see are of the wave properties of light, do you have one that shows the collapse into particle like behavior?

>>16556826
This is the best one I've found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h53PCmEMAGo

>>16556832
That's honestly a wonderful video showing the experiment, but I was honestly hoping to see one that showed the collapse from the wave/interference pattern to a particle like behavior, and not just the interference patterns, which is the "odd" part of QM and allows shit like the Quantum Eraser experiment

>>16556832
>[-] Two superimposed edge diffraction patterns....
OR...
>[-] shoots off a continuous laser stream of photons, claims equivalence of a single photon interacting only with itself...

>>16556856
the collapse is just a big single blob without the lines

>>16556873
the interference for comparison

>>16556818
The left side is real and can be done easily at home with a laser pointer. The right side is a garbled version of a thought experiment. The closest real experiments I know of are the quantum eraser experiments.

>>16556818
https://pubs.aip.org/aapt/ajp/article/84/9/671/1057864

pilot wave in the luminiferous aether

>>16556879
>quantum eraser experiments.
Is a bunch of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U

>>16556905
that video is bullshit, she didn't do any research and doesn't understand the experiment.

>>16556910
Your supposed "waveform collapse" is nothing more than hiding half the data...

>>16556913
that video is bullshit faggot the bitch has no idea what she's talking about

>>16556915
She's the only one who was smart enough to look at the withheld data...

You were stupid enough to get conned like a tard.

>>16556916
you are a retard spreading misinfo with a clickbait video

>>16556917
you're a fucking idiot who looks at the impact pattern of only one of the two slits and sees a decoherence claiming its a waveform collapse... TOO fucking stupid to ever include the combined results of both slits thus resulting in the band interference pattern...

The impact pattern result is a result of Both slits, dumbass.
You need to stop sucking dicks.

>>16556919
read on the experiment first before talking shit
>taking sabine seriously
>simping for sabine the grifter

>>16556922
the results of the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Double Slit experiment that got your dick hard was the OUTPUT of only 1 of the two slits..

Combine output of both slits and you get the normal interference band pattern..

There is NO experimental result showing both slits, they ALL show the output of only one slit..

Go look, you fucking idiot.

>>16556925
>anti quantum fag is a sabine simp who probably also believes in superdeterminism and no free will
you are a retard who has no idea how the experiment works

>>16556929
There is no example that did that experiment correctly...
They all showed the result of the pattern created by photons passing thru one slit... NOT BOTH..

AND that pattern isn't even a waveform collapse looking single or double band pattern... its a decoherent hodgepodge pattern that becomes a clearly defined interference pattern when combined with the other slit's pattern result.

>>16556613
This image is completely fake and retarded. You can't do this experiment with photons. You can't detect a photon without destroying it. I don't know who makes this fucking shit. Fuck you.

>>16556910
I remember Matt O'Dowd apologizing to Sabine for misrepresenting the experiment, after Sabine's video came out. Everybody tapped out but you moron, somehow you understand the experiment better than everyone.

wave pattern of the double slit experiment is an optical illusion as much as The Horse in Motion tricks the eye into believing there's constant motion where there is just a series of frames.

>>16557095
what

>>16557083
>I remember Matt O'Dowd apologizing to Sabine for misrepresenting the experiment
you can read about it yourself moron. you admit you are a faggot who only watches sabine's misinfo videos.
>>16556985
i can but you are a faggot.
>>16556935
you have no idea how it works, only a faggot science denier simps for sabine.

>>16557188
how many physicists have publicly apologized to you when you pointed out they misrepresented the experiment?

>>16557190
>publicly apologized
i'm sure you can find it then
>physicists
>Matthew John O'Dowd is an Australian astrophysicist
kek reply when you find a real physicists

>>16556910
you didnt do any experiments either you just repeat jewish talking points

>>16557188
>you have no idea how it works, only a faggot science denier simps for sabine.
That's not a rebuttal, Karen.

>>16557204
>i'm sure you can find it then
few years back in one of his videos, I clearly remember since that's when I heard about Sabine the first time, and when I started watching her. he was sincerely deepthroating Sabine's cock for misrepresenting the experiment and vowed to do better.

>>16557207
>>16557206
>i must deny science
>academia has failed
>>16557212
so he's a sabine simp. what's the chance he also doesn't understand the experiment like sabine?

>>16557212
You lost, you're hero advocates fell on their swords..

Its just You, alone.. sucking on turds all by yourself.

every faggot "debunking" quantum eraser omits there's data corresponding to the individual sensors. that's how you know they didn't even do minimal research and are just repeating news articles.
you know the same for sabine because her video is fucking retarded. the stupid bitch said it doesn't erase anything, that's how you know she's retarded.

>>16556905
you posting this shit video only shows everyone what a fraud and grifter sabine is

Sabine was completely correct with the heckin "le quantum eraser" video. Popsci love fans that dumb experiment because they think it makes le quantum mechanics so heckin le mysterious and le nonlocal and le changes the past. It's all a bunch of bullshit.

>>16557083
>I remember Matt O'Dowd apologizing to Sabine for misrepresenting the experiment
he sure didn't make a video about "debunking" it like the sabine&grifters did
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=matt+o%27dowd+quantum+eraser

>>16556905
btw the best part about the video is that you can know nothing about the experiment and still tell sabine is a retarded grifter by how shit and shallow the video is

>>16557288
>you can know nothing about the experiment
That describes retards like you perfectly

>>16557301
>i must deny science i'm sabine simp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70vYj1KPyT4

>>16557221 >>16557263 >>16557288
>REEEEEE!! KAREN MODE

>>16557312
>REEEEEE!! KAREN MODE
yeah that's a perfect description of sabine

>>16557315
You're a fucking idiot. You post a video here >>16557304 proving Sabina isn't a mindless automaton sheep who goes along with everything and NEVER question it...
She's right, $$MONEY$$ spoils academics.
And thats your evidence?

What kind of fucking Jew cock gobbler are you!!

>>16557304
Professor Dave is a good little Goym.

>>16557322
>the retarded sabine simp is the autist who hates dave
sabine is a dumb bitch making poorly researched clickbait videos for money
>What kind of fucking Jew cock gobbler are you!!
only a retard like that would defend sabine

>>16557337
You're a LowIQ Goym.

>>16557337
>Sabine proves I'm full of shit
that's on you anon not on her

>>16556905
the retarded sabine simp can't even explain why she's supposedly right
>>16557338
sabine is a money hungry jew you retard

>>16557341
Fuck OFF, you retarded String theorist.

>>16557343
>String theorist.
funny to say that when sabine believes in superdeterminism and no free will showing how retarded she is

>>16557353
free will doesn't make logical sense. all you get is future is not fixed via stochastic shit, in an otherwise deterministic universe. of-course she doesn't believe in free will because it's a nonsensical concept, it's not something which makes sense in science or logic. it's a religious concept, dont' understand why people keep trying to shove it in science and then immediately proceed to get butt hurt when people point the bullshit out

>>16557353
Fuck OFF christfag, go peddle your existential crisis on >>>/x/, no one here gives a fuck about your soap box kvetching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQVF0Yu7X24
videos like this show sabine is just a hypocritical grifter doing it for the money

>>16557355
>otherwise deterministic universe
consciousness
>of-course she doesn't believe in free will because it's a nonsensical concept
like consciousness
>it's a religious concept
like consciousness
so you saying she's retarded and not a real scientist
>>16557358
cope retard

>>16557370
religion does not own consciousness, that is free of religion by default. it does not belong to religion. never has, never will.

>sabine bitches about scientists doing it only for money
>all sabine does is putting out clickbait and doing it only for the money

>>16557371
ffs you are a retard
also religion only exists because of consciousness you retard

>>16557374
>cakes exist only because of consciousness ergo cakes own consciousness
you can't mooch off forever anon. you can only worship your boss at lightspeed, that is one of your downfalls. your center of power reach is limited

>>16557370
Go suck Jew cock, Goym.

>>16557376
religion is at most a parasite on consciousness and parasites can help sometimes. but not forever

>>16556873
>>16556875
those line plots don't accurately represent the data points now do they

>>16556873
>>16556875
created with a coherent Argon laser photon stream instead of a single photon.
THEN claimed its the same as a single photon interfering with itself.

>>16557397
>>16557401
you are a retard
https://web.archive.org/web/20160430075237/http://grad.physics.sunysb.edu/~amarch/

>>16557405
Why does he discuss previous experimental methods, then he himself use a laser?
>shoots off a continuous laser stream of coherent photons, claims equivalence of a single photon interacting only with itself...

Ask me how I know you're a faggot.

>>16557405
Do the experiment correctly, or FUCK OFF.

>>16557411
nta but nobody can shoot one photon at a time? was that never possible? seems like something that should be possible

>>16557419
Not from a laser, no.
Yes, it was previously done with a light source, all the original double-slit experiments he references did so.

>>16557423
is it impossible to scatter the light and capture one photon? from a laser? just asking, I have no clue. or do you need a 1 photon at a time light source?

>>16556613
>photons magically don't hit the space around and between the slots
okay then
literal fake science

He didn't reproduce the "unique" requirements of the double-slit experiment; which is that a particle interferes with itself.

My job isn't to do his job for him, its merely to point out that he didn't do what he claims to have done, he just relied on the ignorant gullibility of the reader to think he had.

>>16557426
see >>16557438

>>16557409
you literally don't understand how the experiment works, like sabine the grifter.
>A linearly polarized beam of photons
>Which-path information can be obtained by considering the polarization of both photons s and p
https://www.stonybrook.edu/laser/_amarch/eraser/index.html
https://www.stonybrook.edu/laser/_amarch/eraser/Walborn.pdf
>>16557438
>relied on the ignorant gullibility of the reader
we are not talking about sabine.

>the experiment is wrong
it collapses and un-collapses the wave function just like double slit would
>the experiment is wrong sabine is right whaaaaa you are literally raping me

>>16557442
You're a fucking idiot peddling bad practices.
Do it properly or Fuck OFF.

>>16557442
>A stream of coherent particles interferes with itself....
Yeh, its called normal wave action and even works with water, you retarded nigger.

The experiment is about the behaviour of a particle..
Do this same experiment with a Buckyball particle as has been done with previous double-slit experiments... OR FuCK oFF.

>>16557460
>>16557429
isn't this about the photons that make it through either of the slits? what do the ones who don't make it through either have to do with anything? they're not considered.

>>16557451
>>A stream of coherent particles interferes with itself....
is that why it collapses the wave function, sabine?

I wonder who is more reliable
>the guy smart enough to actually prepare and execute the experiment
>the grifter bitch crying about science failing while producing nothing of value

>>16557401
You are retarded.

>>16556873
>>16556875
Can you enlighten us about design of this? How did you? Because I see you have collapse in between slit, I always tough that it's going to be one of slits.

Also what kind of detector you use at the slit to collapse wavefunction?

I think only correct interpretation is that detector at slit collapses wave function, wheter there are 100 or 0 people in the room, those who claim conciusness are degenerates.

I did it once, with no detector, seen interference, I also played with slit design, and I made three slits like side of the triangle and interferrence looked pretty much like lambda (it wasn't perfect)

To see intereferrence all you need is laser pointer and sheet of aluminium foil.

Once I had this schizo idea, that if it collapses, it's somehow bound to nucleus of some atom, and if it interferre it is not.

>>16557462
particles travelling thru a slit produce edge diffraction pattern..

Your experiment isn't even a single particle, its a stream of particles interfering with each other.

>>16557463
your detector does that.
ITs called loading.
>>16557466
>You are retarded.
Try reading the paper, ignorant cunt.

>>16557466
read this i guess
https://www.stonybrook.edu/laser/_amarch/eraser/index.html
https://www.stonybrook.edu/laser/_amarch/eraser/Walborn.pdf
>>16557467
>your detector does that.
>ITs called loading.
>Your experiment isn't even a single particle, its a stream of particles interfering with each other.

>>16557467
>>16557472
again proving you have absolutely no idea how the experiment works
sabine is so dumb

>>16557474 >>16557478
Do the experiment by shooting one particle at a time on a pathway that is not hard set OR FuCK oFF, HACK.

>>16557472
There's no link in the post I called retarded. You can't do this with single photon. Pure rationally, to detect it, you'd need photon multiplier tubes, which interferre AF with setup.

is it expensive to replicate? the quantum eraser one

>>16557478
You can't shoot a laser at the intersection of two slits allowing it to hit the superthin spacing and split travelling thru both nearby slits simultaneously and create the interference pattern, and claim to be doing the experiment correctly.
I bet you're doing the same daft shit every other home Youtube tosser does it.
>>16557483
my post was talking about 2 pics which came from the link provided by the same dickhead anon whom posted those 2 pics.. they're both from the piss weak effort experiment both of you are peddling.

why is sabine so stupid? she can't follow simple logic. is it because she's a woman?

>>16557488
Link to paper was posted later than you said I should read it.

>>16557498
you comment about my post here >>16557401.. That post is about the 2 images from the half-arse fuck up experiment (>>16556832 >>16557405 >>16556889) both you idiots are now defending.

The experiment was done wrong, pull your head out of your ass.

>>16557513
you sure as fuck don't..
You even used a laser with a fixed trajectory.

So, in quantum eraser there's this detector thingy that fires when signals come from both paths. But how do they tune the two paths? Photons have to come at exact same time so they have to travel the same path length to fractions of a micrometer at least. Or it will detect some other unrelated photon. How do they position things that precise without a visual aid?

>crtl+f sabine
>38 matches
O B S S E S S E D

>>16557594
the detector has a time window
-they receive a photon on the shorter path detector
-the longer path detector now waits a bit for a photon that has the values of an entangled photon (polarization, frequency...)
https://www.stonybrook.edu/laser/_amarch/eraser/index.html
this describes it a bit

>>16557632
Still feels like it would be easy to catch next photon or the photon three photons down due to mismatched paths and do long-term conclusions on the wrong pair of photons.

>>16557670
the results show it works just fine

>>16556677
>mods should also ban the entire /pol/tard posts but decide not to.
I am so tired of you shitbirds. Statistically, Black people have longer legs and shorter torsos, White people have shorter legs and longer torsos. This is a racially derived statement, and it is also objectively correct. Where's the line? We're not all the fucking same. Where's the line? When it hurts your feelings? Blacks tend to be darker-skin people while Whites tend to be light-skin people. Is that too far? Or is statements of intelligence, of which there is also objectively differences? Grow up, you fucking child.

This thread is very interesting.
The only thing I can say is that:
Light is never a particle.

I'm in the "light is a wave" camp.
Like:
Christiaan Huygens (1629 – 1695)
Thomas Young (1773 – 1829)
Augustin-Jean Fresnel (1788 – 1827)
James Clerk Maxwell (1831 – 1879)

I'm not in the "light is a particle" camp.
Like:
Isaac Newton (1642 – 1726/27)
Albert Einstein (1879 – 1955)

>>16557722
>Light is never a particle.
Explain discrete absorption of light, i.e. photoelectric effect.

>>16557692
statistically, the average /pol/tard cant even distinguish between fiction and reality.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abf1234

so, where is the line?
the line I would give a fuck what a retarded butthurt /pol/tard thinks is true?
Id rather go to a facility of mental disabled people and try to find an exchange partner for french poems from the late 17th century.
Id probably have more success with this.

because /pol/tards all have one thing in common.
facts are manipulated, questioned and attacked until they correspond to their personal feelings.
and if that doesnt work, insults are hurled.

>>16557997
just because it is at times mathematically convenient to treat light as particles does not mean it accurately models reality.

>>16558069
What are you even trying to say? That photons don't exist?

>>16558728
pretty sure he needs them to be wave only. people fall into some weird ideas based on some ideology then try to make the idea work. in this case I suppose anon needs photons to be wave only, so the rest of his shit makes sense.

>>16558728
>What are [...] even trying to say? That photons don't exist?

Exactly.
They're nothing, but illusions or phantoms.
Light merely appears to be composed of particles.

When, or under what circumstances, do waves appear to be what they're most certainly not?
Namely particles.

>>16558749
It acts like a particle, it is measured to be a particle, it has some very particular particle-like properties, that would suggest that it's a .... wave?

I'm not sure what reality you're living in but it's not the same one the rest of us occupy.

It's wave, that doesn't mean it have non-discreete energy, as emittor only emmits photon with discreete energy. One unit of discreete energy doesn't mean it's one particle.

photon is a wave that collapses into a small point when measured, we call that point a particle.

>>16558829
so it behaves like both a wave and a particle?

wave or particle are just descriptions how stuff acts. in reality a photon is just computer code, a function, a variable.

>>16558749
cause its just an emitted EM radiation, bruh.

>>16556613
The particles bounce back and forth in the chamber, thus the pattern. The sensor interferes with the particles so they lack the energy to bounce as much.

>>16556629
These are not quantum computers, retardo.

The seething Jewish hag's videos and their consequences have been a disaster for /sci/

Superposition is a state of being that is currently not able to be fully understood, along with the related concepts of the collapse and the observer effect. Any claim otherwise is conjecture.

>>16558759
>it acts like a particle
>is measured to be a particle
>has very particular particle-like properties
>so it's a wave
unironically, yes, i agree with the other poster. we decided all things were discrete particles before we had QM, and were later surprised to find that everything is actually waves. a particle is just an illusion you see whenever your meddling (measurement, observation) has confined the wave to a state.
>is my chance of winning this lottery 1 in ten million?
>no, it was zero, your ticket was not a winning ticket
>but what was my chance of winning?
>zero
>surely you jest, it was verified that the tickets were distributed fairly under the agreed upon mathematical distribution
>yes, but you lost
>but I could have won
>etc

the particle and wave is just the behavior we measure, it's how it acts, doesn't means it's any of it.

>>16558994
It happens that they re-roll if your ticket is winning by accident, everybody knows that.

The wave is just a probability distribution. Measuring it gets you 100% probability and that's the particle. The wave is just all the possible states of the particle that somehow interact with each other.

>>16557261
wtf are you talking about

your picture literally shows that nothing is erased

>>16556613

I think David Deutsch in The Fabric of Reality gives the best explanation. The Many Words Interpretation is the GOATed take on the double slit experiment.

>>16557188
>There are several
>I just can't name any
>Because [excuse]
You midwits are truly remarkable.

>>16559484
>your picture literally shows that nothing is erased
retard
>>16559508
retard

>>16559490
ummm many worlds ia science fiction

you have to be a moron to take th at seriously

>>16559808
in the quantum eraser, the pattern detected at d0 remains unchanged regardless of what you do with d1, d2, d3, d4.
the experimental results were grossly hyperbolized by its authors and this hyperbolic explanation fit perfectly with the midwit iflscience crowd of which you are a part.

>>16560140
The quantum eraser experiment is fundamentally no different than the double slit experiment, both demonstrate and highlight the strange properties of superposition. If you don't have a proper understanding of the double slit, of superposition and of QM, you will not understand quantum eraser.
Fundamentally they're the same experiment: ie. a particle exists in a state of "superposition" until measured/observed.
In quantum eraser, the future does not change the past, causality isn't broken. The authors of the experiment did not hyperbolize the results, because they didn't claim the above.
It is simply a more striking way of presenting *superposition*.

>>16560161
I meant the delayed choice quantum eraser. that is the one that is just iflscience bait.

>>16556613
It’s your perception trying to make sense of the quantum world

>>16560175
That's the one I meant too. It is no different from double slit. They both demonstrate superposition.
The particle's behavior depends on whether or not "which-path" information is available—even if that decision is made after the particle has already passed through a double slit.
Some seems to think that causality is broken because the choice of measurement retroactively affected the outcome, but this is because they don't have a true grasp of the concept of superpostion.
You cannot unilaterally create a determinate "past" for the particle from what you observed on the receptors. The "past" of the particle was indeterminate, it was in superposition. Only by observation did its state become determinate. Same conclusion as double slit and all other quantum experiments.

>>16560175
>>16560191
Sabine, due to being a superdeterminist/Bohmian supporter, did not properly explain what this experiment truly demonstrates. She only said
>it's the same blob
She deceptively used a very simple and incorrect handwave to fool the layman.
This is why I think she's a bad science communicator, due to her very biased and agenda-heavy viewpoint.
Laymen should be presented with the solid fundamentals of modern physics first, before being led away by fringe theories.

>>16560140
>d0 remains unchanged regardless of what you do with d1, d2, d3, d4
the picture show >>16557261 that d0 is a combination of all d1-4, so d0 is affected by what is on d1-4. the experiment also shows particle knows how you measure it.
also the basic quantum eraser already confirms all of this happening https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_eraser_experiment
these are the things the retarded deniers don't acknowledge. this video is proof of how retarded anti science grifters are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQv5CVELG3U

>>16560195
why the fuck do you retards keep bring up this eceleb grifter in every fucking thread?

>>16560206
because those retarded eceleb grifters are the reason retards here deny the validity of experiments. there is literally a retarded sabine simp with a crusade against quantum mechanics.

>>16560211
eceleb grifters have no original thoughts or ideas. they only copy what seems provocative enough to get clicks. the fact that you think all criticism of retrocausality is only informed by these retards shows that you get your information exclusively from youtube and tiktok. kys.

>>16560224
>criticism of retrocausality
NTA but there's no retrocausality at play in the delayed choice experiment, precisely due to the indeterminancy of superposition. It doesn't need "criticism" because it simply isn't there.

>>16560230
>there's no retrocausality at play in the delayed choice experiment
exactly. but according to every pop science explanation of it there is it rewrites the past. its so tiresome.

>>16560331
>>16560230
>pop science explanation of it there is it rewrites the past
it is not affected by time so it does rewrite the past or future

>>16556832
this is just showing the interference pattern
that's not the interesting part

>>16558829
but how

>>16560379
by you looking at it because universe is a simulation

quantum eraser has nothing weird about it

cant believe how many fucking retards are in this thread

all that happens is the beamsplitter mixes up the the screens that the idler photon goes to

there is literally nothing more to it than that

youre all fucking retards

>>16558009
still kills the /pol/tard.

>>16560560
>all that happens is the beamsplitter mixes up the the screens that the idler photon goes to
>there is literally nothing more to it than that
you are a retard

>>16560560
retards (like sabine) go for the simplest most brain dead explanation because they can't understand what's going on