>>16456714
>nips claiming the picture is wrong because the INTERPRETATION (not a concrete takeaway) they had from their own radio image (made with lesser resources) doesn't line up with EHT results
Or maybe Takeshi Miyagi Miyazaki just fucked up in their radio analysis / interpretation of it. Also wtf do they mean by saying that the accretion disc is elongated? The EHT picture doesn't show the entire accession disc anyway.

>retard students that are not worth even bachelors in europe, just spews shit in their macbooks, uneducated people thing their image represent reality
Gee

She got the credit
Even he fought million lines of code

BUT HIS CODES SUCKED

WHAT NOw INCELS

I don't think they're saying the deconvolution algorithms were wrong (of which Katie Bouman's was one of four iirc.) They're saying the point spread function was wrong. Garbage in garbage out.

>>16456714
Bahahahahahahahaha.

I'm always arguing with science bros on here about black holes.

It's the dumbest science theory that has no value

Nope. There already already multiple independent reanalyses of the EHT data, all of the others found a result consistent with the published image. The most likely explanation is that Miyoshi fucked up his analysis, some of that is described here in that he forces to algorithm to recover structure on scales which aren't sampled. Does he show his result is repeatable with other codes? No. The EHT team did, with 3 different methods and it has been independently reproduced.

https://eventhorizontelescope.org/blog/imaging-reanalyses-eht-data

>>16457282
And here you are, blindly accepting a single paper because it agrees with your prejudice. It is literal confirmation bias, where you ignore all the other papers and pick the one you like. Don't lecture people about being gullible.

>>16456714
Someone post that gif of the dancing orbs and their plasma spasms

>>16457408
Sounds like the science is settled and any who are not believers should be punished.

>>16457282
professor dave missing on this picture

>>16456730
you realize black holes can change their shape over time right?

>>16457282
>save for a tiny minority of gullible low IQ retards
Those are the same people who thought the sausage pic was real just because some dude on Twitter said "i'm an astronomer and this is a JWST pic lol"

>>16456714
>tweak the algo
>it outputs a different PNG
/sci/ was right again

>>16457426
you can shoop him in
or just get AI to do it for you

>>16457423
this, but unironically

>>16457423
this, WE NEED SOME MUSCLE OVER HERE!

>>16456714
Space bros give the ick

>>16461773
that woman is not very smart, giving away her test key like that.

probably this happened:
>attempt to collect some data of a black hole
>try putting it through 15 different math formulas and filters
>it spits out something resembling a black hole
>wow there it is, it's the black hole, publish it PUBLISH IT!
>forget to consider whether what you did even makes sense

>>16463096
but you can use existing tools to detect and reconstruct those images.
unlike the image of the black hole, which is radio noise filtered into a specific shape

I read this article thinking "man that sucks" then I realized it was like 3 japanese retards saying it and no one else.

>>16457383
>I'm always arguing with science bros on here about black holes.
>doesn't even read the article to see how it's speculation of a couple nobodies saying it's off a little bit
You're literally retarded.

>>16464465
>Jap Assistant Professor going to be huge for this
You're literally retarded.

>>16457383
black holes exist, anon. even if they didn't in nature, they could be artificially created.

the wacky theories about white holes, worm holes and such don't exist.

>>16465899
>Could be artificially created
K. Go create one then. Until then they don't exist. No one has ever seen a black hole and no one has ever made one.

>>16465964
>No one has ever seen a black hole
What the fuck do you think is in the picture of OP? What about the picture I just posted? It's a black hole leaving a trail of young blue stars behind it as it cruises through space. There are tons of images of gravitational lensing by black holes, x-ray ejections from blackholes, and other radiation created by them. You don't see the actual black hole because you literally can't, since the light is trapped but you can see it's effects around it.

you literally can't take pictures like this from so far away. You'd need a lens the size of the solar system. It's clear the entire thing is not real.

>>16465987
>can never actually see the thing, only artifacts from the thing
i've heard this one before

>>16466140
I don't know if you have been paying attention, but all they do is push their theories right into noise territories and then start divining for confirmation.
They are planning to do this with proton decay next.

>>16456714
>I_fucking_love_science.com
Kek'd

BASEDENCE SISTERS.

HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING TO US????

>>16466140
We have photos of exoplanets now. What the fuck are you talking about? And there are other types of radiation other than visible light.
>>16466168
You should have.

>>16465987
>What the fuck do you think is in the picture of OP?
he still has a point. heavily inferred images are not pictures of the thing. unfortunately there is no clear dividing line between artificial and natural images; I, personally, would not even consider the false-color images of nearby objects like Mars as 'images of the thing'. an image is only something that shows what I would see with my own eyes. false-color and statistically constructed "images" are useful, but in this age of total distrust they should be called something else or at least clearly watermarked with "NOT A REAL IMAGE".

>>16468332
>you don't have photos of exoplanets.
You'd be wrong then.

>>16468365
>an image is only something that shows what I would see with my own eyes.
That is a shitty definition. Your computer screen is showing you an image of this board, a completely artificial construction. It's still an image though.
What you propose would be stupid, as the information in the image file is no different if it was taken with a visible light camera or an x-ray detector. Both are stored as 2D image arrays, and can be shown graphically. They are just as real as each other.
The term you are looking for is true color.

>>16456714
I was skeptical when both black holes were donuts conveniently facing us.

>>16468365
So if we had the right type of sensors in our eyes to see radio waves you would be fine with it? Because it's technically possible to do. Mosquitoes see in infrared, will the images be real to them?

>>16468603
Ring Galaxies are incredibly rare, let alone one that is facing us in just the right way to form a perfect circle. Not only does this ring galaxy do that, but inside it's ring is ANOTHER ring galaxy ALSO facing us perfectly to make a perfect circle.

What are the odds of that happening?

>>16468697
the universe is a big thing innit

>>16468713
For you

>>16468788
That pic is real, and you're a pigshit moron

>>16468788
And how have you scientifically determined it's not real?

>>16468788
Prove that it's not.

>>16469828
>Anyone who has passed undergrad level optics would know its fake
Then demonstrate your claim, lay out your calculations and argument. You're telling people to question the science, while you have said nothing of substance.

The Event Horizon Telescope people posted a rebuttal. However, I only found this German news site covering it.
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Allegedly-faulty-image-of-Sagittarius-A-EHT-clearly-rejects-criticism-9998061.html

>>16457426
KEK i hate that guy

>>16466550
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accretion_disk

>>16466550
How do you see the color black?

I just put it through Siril and got totally different results. Its fake

>>16469828
>Anyone who has passed undergrad level optics
fucking what?
>ts real just like they did with the black hole pic
Except it is real. Even the people questioning it are saying that it is at worst slightly elongated on one side. And their entire argument is weak as fuck.

You are a literal retard.

>>16471573
The image posted of exoplanets is clearly using a coronagraph. You can literally see the star being blotted out so that the gas giants are visible.

You are, again, fucking literally retarded.

>>16471340
Post your results. Of course software for amateur astronomy pretty pictures doesn't work for either millimeter wave VLBI or mid-infrared adaptive optics coronograpy.

Still waiting for your undergrad optics debunking of this exoplanet image. Surely you don't want people to think you're full of shit.

>>16456714
Yeah I kinda figured black holes didn't look like Langoliers

The retards are looking at this picture and thinking "of course there’s ring are you people blind?" They are not intellectually curious enough to find out HOW these images are generated to begin with. They imagine it’s like taking a photo of the night sky, just boost contrast / saturation with time-lapse photography to get nice colors etc. These electro telescope images aren’t "images" at all, they’re electromagnetic frequency data which are color-coded using advanced models to map frequencies to colors to generate the image. To get the OP’s image a tiny sliver of data was tweezered out of a massive jumble of background signal and the model tweaked until the desired ring was generated. Basically the image creators messed with it until the resulting image showed what they wanted it to show. The problem was that not only was signal-to-noise so low as to be no different from noise ("artifact") but also that the image creators had to break established models for color-mapping. It’s super advanced esoteric radio-imaging shit under discussion but I saw a good video on it here: https://youtu.be/ZlrTe1mi5EQ

>>16472263
Where did I say something wasn't real? I said it won't work, because the software is written for a totally different task. If you had the first clue what you talking about you would know that.

>>16472333
You claim to know what you're talking about but haven't even mentioned the word interferometry. You have no understanding.
>The problem was that not only was signal-to-noise so low as to be no different from noise ("artifact")
Completely false. Pick related shows the visibility amplitudes of the 2016 EHT results from 2016 as reported by Miyoshi et al., on the left is the signal to noise ratios. You can see that the different baselines have SNRs of up to a few hundred, particularly those that include ALMA. So no, it's not low.
Robitaille has no idea what he's talking about, he apparently hasn't even read the paper he's citing. He has never looked at the data, or any astronomical data, he has no idea how VLBI really works. And neither do you.
>also that the image creators had to break established models for color-mapping
Fucking lel. You don't like their colormap, stop the presses. This is proof that you are a pedestrian who has never worked in physics. Next you'll be complaining you don't like their fonts.

>Anyone who has passed undergrad level optics would know its fake
Still waiting for your big knowledge to debunk the exoplanet image.

>>16468399
>The image of this board is entirely artificial
Did you really think that was a good argument?

>>16468814
You think other solar systems are orange blobs on a blue background?

>>16473721
Real=/= true color. Do you even understand what a colormap is?

>>16473720
Why don't you try making a counter argument?

>>16473735
>Real != true color
Lol. Move on kid. Reddit will buy what you are selling.

>>16472332
Yep. Basically what they are doing is similar to just taking static noise on a television set, saying they expect to find a cat on this channel, and then picking and throwing out pixels until they make something cat shaped.

>>16473736
Lel. You started off claiming it was optically impossible, and now you've rowed back to claiming the colormap is misleading.

>>16473741
>pixels
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>16473916
Do you need it explained to you that a modern 10 meter telescope is different to the dinky 18 centimeter vidicon camera on Voyager? And I thought you studied optics?
>a billion times further away than pluto
Nope.

>>16473916
Next you're going to say the hubble deep field is faked as well.

I am very pleased to learn that the consensus /sci/ position is that black holes do not exist. As ever, this place has its head on straight.

>>16475738
They do absolutely exist. But not yet.

>>16475738
We have a loud faction that is highly skeptical of any space shit that's more complicated than a planet or star. Or even stars for a while. But the Katie Bouman fracas made them latch onto black holes super hard.

>>16478154
It's very repetitive skepticism. Much like a permanent protest mob chanting the same slogans. If your endgoal is to make the board less entertaining, congrats.

I think people would be SHOCKED to learn just how few actual “scientists” there are. I mean people who understand their fields from the basic theories on up to the theoretical level. The ACTUAL reason why skepticism is met with dismissal / hate instead of a response is because most people who claim to be scientists are no such thing. They have a certain baseline of knowledge but not a fundamental understanding. For example…
Skeptic claim “x”
Scientist: x has been proven wrong by experiment y where researchers tested it using the following formulation…and it also violates Whoever’s Law which was proven by z experiment in….
Scienceologist: you’re a science-denying crank
Notice that with an actual scientist and actual exploration of the issue is possible even if he is completely confident in his belief, and, in extension, is open to having his belief altered in light of new information. The Scientologist is more like a priest repeating canon law and is uninterested in debating it; to him, questioning the dogma is a moral failure.

>>16478381
There were multiple attempts to explore this topic in this thread that met with no engagement. And I know they were not from you. Do you work for Reddit or something? Always trying to get people to go there.

>>16478381
Look at this shit https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42158130
It's just one guy against 500 they don't do any critical thinking
Just blindly parrot MOND is false because the universe is relativistic

>>16468697
I don't really reply or make threads anymore but Images like these have helped me out with some of the worst points of my life and even get comfortable with the inevitability of my own death. In the end we are products of this reality, I could ramble on about what makes this universe special like how matter won against anti-matter or all the unique properties that keep the universe stable enough to support us and what exactly it took for you to exist but don't forget how insignificant you and I are. Remember to be humble, It is a privilege to be alive, an unbelievable amount take existence for granted, most live day to day just completely unaware of how much they owe to just being alive. if you are feeling hurt about a girl leaving you or someone dying or maybe something made you trip in life like someone abusing you, remember that you are alive, born healthy and were born in the greatest century so far to be alive. Life is fleeting and there is a very good chance consciousness is a temporary state. Whether there is an afterlife or not both are equally terrifying. If you are ever in a rough spot remember to be kind to yourself and to others, most people will not return it but so be it. Expecting a reward through kindness defeats the purpose of kindness. remember that you are a gift not only to yourself but to others.

>>16478765
>Remember to be humble, It is a privilege to be alive, an unbelievable amount take existence for granted, most live day to day just completely unaware of how much they owe to just being alive
Moralistic blather.

>>16457282
Oh geez, now I'm starting to have doubts about that room temperature superconductor

>>16469828
This>>16469828
You haven't actually proposed a counter point to the post you're replying to.

>>16456714
Because they religiously follow the "theory" of relativity and try to twist and fudge the data as much as they can to support st. Einstein, the jewish prophet.
"Black holes" don't even exist, they are just supermassive objects who don't emit light because light is a MASS like ALL PARTICLES. Look it up, the two first experiments "proving" Einstein right were total hoaxes, even mainstream pseudoscientists now admit it, but you really believe that these relativist hacks actually found hick's bozoN or gravitational waves without fudging their data?

>>16456714
Isn't a black hole at the center of every Galaxy and that's what we're rotating around the same thing everything rotates around the Sun do we even need to see them to know they're there

>>16474916
how would you know if it was fake? you can't confirm it in any way, your trust in it isn't based in rationality, it is faith based

>>16456730
>accession disc
lol

>>16478765
This is sad cope coming from a Hell-bound heathen

I knew this was some bullshit. I accept the /sci/ interpretation of physics. I see no reason to believe that black holes exist or even that general relativity is in any way an accurate description of reality.

>>16456730
Or maybe the original team just really wanted to be the first to picture a black hole. They responded to the scientific paper refuting this with a dodgy blog post basically saying "trust us bro", so personally I'm inclined to believe the Japanese team's got a point.

>>16501925
>They responded to the scientific paper refuting this with a dodgy blog post basically saying "trust us bro"
Then you didn't even read it at all. What they actually did was link to the 5 independent analyses. 4 of those confirm the EHT ring, only one finds something totally different. There is nothing scientific about blindly accepting the outlier, especially when it hasn't been reproduced. But what you and OP are doing is pure confirmation bias, cherrypicking the result which suit your prejudices.

>>16457365
Now the man gets the blame. Just like the FIU bridge collapse.

>>16504515
It’s actually the other way around. Black holes don’t exist BECAUSE the pictures are fake.

>>16501901
>even that general relativity is in any way an accurate description of reality.
It has been conclusively disproved several times, it is the geocentrism of physics, its clearly fake yet the orthodoxy considers it indisputable dogma and refuses to admit it is wrong

>>16505506
I just wonder how far Einstein set us back with his blunder, along with everyone who supported it. They’ve spent over 100 years handing out Nobel Prizes for this lie.

I suspect black holes are real and Einstein’s theory will continue to be very accurate in this regard. I’m just guessing based on evidence I’ve seen though. I can’t say for sure.

>>16505506
>It has been conclusively disproved several times
Such as?

>>16506520
GR was originally conceived as a static universe theory

>>16507354
No, it has static solutions. But the theory does not require this, and infact says they are unstable.

>>16507494
u have no idea what you're talking about lol
u never studied physics

>>16501901
GR is observed in drifting of satellite clocks
It's not that GR is fake its just black hoes

>>16508457
This is honestly really exciting. Because if black holes are fake, then what are these completely unknown extremely dense objects with extremely high mass? What could have such a strong gravitational influence yet appear so small and dark? I hope we find out what they are in my lifetime.

>>16508479
I think they’re stars but we can’t detect their light because the escape velocity is faster than the speed of light due to very strong gravitation.

>>16508531
If the surface is below the radius where light cannot escape (Schwartzchild radius, event horizon), then the star cannot support itself under GR. When you do the calculations you find that inside this radius, not only can light not escape, but nothing can stay at a fixed radius, everything must move inwards.
There is also Buchdahl's theorem, which shows that even when the star shrinks below about 1.5 Schwartzchild radii, that no finite source of pressure would keep the star from collapsing.
Under current physics there is no way for it to just be a normal object below the event horizon. It continues collapsing.

>>16508531
>the escape velocity is faster than the speed of light
you're an idiot and you have no idea about how physics works because you've never studied it.

>>16509173
Honestly I really doubt that

>>16509173
>quasar has superluminal recession velocity
>YOU CAN STILL SEE THEM GOY THE LIGHT JUST GETS REDSHIFTED
>black hole has superluminal escape velocity
>YOU CAN'T SEE THAT LIGHT GOY BECAUSE REASONS AND STUFF OR SOMETHING
but the real twist in that logic is that black holes don't even exist, so you can make up whatever exceptions to the laws of physics for them that you want same as you can for scifi space ships and laser swords. warp factor six gorillon, scotty, we're going to see the planet of the unicorns, it orbits a black hole

>>16503250
their lives were sacrificed for feminism

>>16512212
lol
its funny because its true

>>16465987
I didn't take that photo and have no reason to trust that it is legitimate.

>>16466201
I remember this, Melissa Click.

>>16456714
>why can't space bros do anything right?
they are low iq, getting a fixation on space from watching too many sci fi movies is something that would only happen to a very weak mind.

>>16510278
how come schwarzschild was too low IQ to understand this

>>16456714
You do realize that astronomy is not like the easiest thing to do. Specially when you have to build expensive shit, send it to space and all you get is so terribly bad as data that you would consider shoveling shit as a better job then trying to analyze and process all of that.

>>16515478
who knows but he made great episodes of the Simpsons back when that show was good

>>16515503
its a very simple science, thats why even idiots like neil tyson are able to get a phd in it. thats also why its such a low paying profession.

>>16456714
>muh spaaaaaaaace
>muh black holes
CHECK THIS BLACK HOLE HERE
*drops pants*

>>16517685
she should've gotten a nose job when she got her tits done

>>16456714
>why can't space bros do anything right?
It's not science. It's conjecture.

Given the light speed barrier, understanding the dynamics of the interiors of black holes is entirely the domain of theory.

>>16456714
Rawr

>>16462512
>that woman is not very smart
you can tell that just by looking at her

>>16520564
>better
faker

>>16517685
fat & ugly

>>16522457
This is what a scientist looks like

>>16456714
>why can't space bros do anything right?
Daily reminder that everything outside our solar system are blurry shits and flickering small dots of light.

The pictures they show you are literally photoshop and made up somewhere it says that it is an ((((ARTISTS IMPRESSION)))) and we like have 12 or so real pictures of the planets in our solar system when a probe was send there the best space and earth telescopes give us crap.

>>16457383
>I'm always arguing with science bros on here about black holes.
>
> It's the dumbest science theory that has no value
This one gets it.

>Noo my made up shit (black holes) because blurry picture of flickering small thing (outside the solar system) in space!

>>16513503
>>We have photos of exoplanets now.
>>this is an exoplanet goys, trust us
Literally 3 minutes in photoshop

>>16493931
No. Galactic center is a lagrange point.

Stop samefaggging you dumbass fucking redditor

Isn't this the one that they credited a woman for?

>>16519639
I feel like this is probably more accurate. I imagine it's pretty chaotic

>>16461773
I have no desire to go to space right now as it is.
a Blue Origin or SpaceX flight would be a waste of time and money imo.
Oh, I can go up just high enough to see the curvature of the Earth? Cool
I'd rather go to Bora Bora

>>16523298
lol i understand that reference

>>16524066
merry twumsmas
and happy twumukkkah

>>16524818
In the sciences we celebrate KTWUMZA

>>16456714
Skill issue. Anyway SR is wrong because is jew soience.

>>16515478
schwarzschild developed the black hole theory as a means of illustrating how stupid a theory GR was, same reason the schrodinger cat meme was invented

>>16520564
have some jwst sausage meme

>>16503250
I remember when the Tacoma narrows bridge collapse was the most popular bridge collapse amongst scientists, but these feminist geniuses managed to out do the dead white males who built the Tacoma narrows bridge.
Take that, patriarchy

>>16467332
>have photos of exoplanets
And where is the close up of Neptune, for example? Or Ouranus? Pluto?

>>16530470
KWABOTY female engineers.

Chorizo still living rent free in peoples brains i see

>>16456714
Science operates over decades. News operates on seconds. If you want to get science on the news, then it better be quick, catchy and hype. Peer review be damned if need be. Remember BICEP2?

>>16456714
space science is a cover for black budget spending

>>16533054
NASA lies about everything here on Earth, its not a massive intellectual leap to guess that they're lying about everything in space too

>>16511295
RIP

>>16456730
based on the word salad of copium you just vomited, I'm inclined to side with the Japanese, specially after the simp-show the EHT team has displayed

>>16501936
I say they're not independent, and the first actual independent analysis had completely debunked the EHT image construction

>>16536961
>I say they're not independent
Facts don’t care about your feelings
They are independent. Rejecting multiple independent replications and cherrypicking the one failure is pure bias. Stop trying to pretend this is rational or scientific.

>>16537027
Fags want desperately for black holes to be real because black holes are a big part of their cringey star trek comic book time travel "i'm a science genius" chuunibyo fantasy lives, thats why they always take the bait on stupid 'artistic reconstructions' like the fake pic in OP

>>16537808
How is that a response to what he posted?

>>16456714
>why can't space bros do anything right?
Because only idiots study astronomy. You're talking about the same people who launched HST with a fucked up mirror even though it had sat in storage for 4 years before launch giving them plenty of time to double check everything.

>>16541025
and they fixed it. Why do you think the james webb took so long to make and was so overbudget? They tested everything 100x over so they didn't make any silly mistakes like last time. With the complexity of space flight, expecting everything to go right 100% of the time is retarded and absolutely unrealistic.

Why do so many fucking retards visit a science and math board? This thread is an embarrassment to humanity.

>>16533151
I like how the lines don't even match up but they are like "it's in the shadows bro". What makes people think like this? I literally have paranoid schizophrenia and see patterns in almost everything but these people just make shit up in order for their ideas to work.

>>16523469
You can get great pictures of saturn and jupiter with amateur as shit telescopes. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. the hubble deep field took nearly 2 weeks of exposure to see those galaxies and they are as real as you can get.

and even with those amateur telescopes you can see andromeda easily. It's absolutely massive in the night sky but it's very feint. You can still see it with the naked eye.

>>16523469
>The pictures they show you are literally photoshop and made up somewhere
You people are unbelievably retarded when it comes to photographs of space. Human biological eyes can only see a small section of the electromagnetic spectrum, meaning that for our biological eyes to see those waves of invisible light they have to be represented by other colors we can see with our biological eyes.

Do you get it now?

>>16508479
There's very few of those outside of galaxies to begin with. ESA launched a satellite gaia telescope to look for these but they then retconned the mission statement after it failed to find a single one.

>>16542463
>outside of galaxies
Outside of galxies centers

>>16542463
Europeans are increasingly impoverished and this worthless crap is what their leaders waste money on

>>16456714
Oh geez I wonder why.

>>16478765
God loves you and is waiting for you to receive him in the Eucharist,

>>16542463
>ESA launched a satellite gaia telescope to look for these but they then retconned the mission statement after it failed to find a single one.
Wrong and wrong. Gaia is an all-sky astrometry mission, a successor to Hipparcos, it was never targeted at anything so specific.
And Gaia data has revealed multiple black holes in binaries, even with only a fraction of the final dataset.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_BH1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_BH2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_BH3
Gaia has been a tremendous success, with more than 10 thousand papers published so far. Maybe you should do some research before posting bullshit

>>16542492
And still no alternative explanation for these objects, or the millions of known active galactic nuclei.

>>16519639
but it's blue

>>16548125
>a tremendous success, with more than 10 thousand papers published

publishing replication crisis articles that nobody will ever read isn't a measure of success, its a measure of futility and wastefulness. list some concrete accomplishments

>>16553117
>list some concrete accomplishments
There are none

>>16542361
>they have to be represented by other colors
No.
They don't.
It's just to build hype because the reality is fucking boring.
Nobody needs the rainbow colored nebulae for actual science.

>>16556834
They need it because it appeals to the type of retards that get excited by "omg bright colors!"
Astro fanbois are mentally on par with a female bower bird

>>16558192
>"omg bright colors!"
same shit that gets cartoon watching faggots excited. imagine you're an adult and you still watch cartoons like a baby and you don't think that your mentally stunted

>>16548125
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_BH1
>The discovery team found no astrophysical scenario that could explain the observed motion of the G-type star, other than a black hole
So black holes are dark matter now. They can fit in every anomaly to balance the equation.
They didnt even tried to point JWST at it to take a closer look or anything. Just declare a black hole because of lack of all other explanation.

>>16559843
>So black holes are dark matter now. They can fit in every anomaly to balance the equation.
What a moronic statement. No a point mass is not consistent with any data. For example if you have evidence of an extended mass then it cannot be a black hole.
Note the same dynamical evidence was good enough to find Neptune, and it has been used to find hundreds of exoplanets, many of which have been confirmed by other techniques. Are you gonna call Neptune "dark matter" too?
>Just declare a black hole because of lack of all other explanation.
That is how empirical science always works. Quantum mechanics is accepted because it fits the data, it is predictive, and there is is no alternative or better model.
>They didnt even tried to point JWST at it to take a closer look or anything.
They did point more than a dozen other telescopes, including Chandra, the VLA and VLT. There is more than one telescope. It continues to be followed up with more instruments.

>>16559391
Dumb people have dumb thoughts because they're dumb

>>16456714
Because space is refuge for scam artists competing for government grants. None of it is real. They are scammers who blow grant money on drugs and alcohol and they generate some slop in python to have something they can pretend they're working on.

>>16559982
There is a continuation here in the idea of bent geodesics. The central mass of all things will necessarily be some fucked up manifold in this reality-as-conception land.

>>16560651
And also mathematics. G.H. Hardy justifies this by using "mathematical beauty", but more-so translates into "let me waste your grant money".