>>4399278
According to snoyfags you should be able to casually carry a gigantic tele lens that weighs a few kilos and hold and shoot it with only 2 fingers without any problems (if you have problems with this you should see a doctor)

>>4399278
This is where micro four turds comes into its own. My trannysonic G9 and Leica 100-400mm have the same reach as a massive 800mm lens on a full frame, while being compact and light enough to walk around with and shoot handheld all day.

>>4399278
You’re being a wimp. Attach the strap to the lens so it points down.

>>4399286
>noticeably worse pictures
>muh grams
Wiiiimp. mft should stick to being camcorders.

>>4399278

quit being a Nancy Boy and get the telephoto lens, swear every time one of you leftoid limp-wristed fags comes on here complaining about weight never held a man-rated camera in their lives.

grow some balls and suffer for your art

>>4399286

This guy gets a pass, only if he posts photos taken with it and they make foolframe elitists seethe

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>>4399278
>size, weight and of course price
telephoto is m43's biggest selling point imo

>>4399286
have the same setup with g9ii, never use a tripod

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>>4399278
the 180-600 really is well balanced with good ergonomics and internal zoom, but it's undeniably heavy compared to APS-C equivalents

if Fuji could just get their act together and provide R5 level AF, I'd go back to the XF 100-400 in a heartbeat... I've also been totally underwhelmed with the stab on the Z8 desu

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>>4399310
>biggest selling point
All you've sold me on is fullframe with that noise and lack of detail.

>>4399366
>lack of detail
no, anon achieved critical focus
the lighting is just flat dummy so there's no much pop
they were in a fucking forest though shooting an owl so no wonder it might be difficult to get perfect light

>>4399367
Its lacking detail. Looks like diffraction smearing.

>>4399367
>no
Blind retard lmfao there's also motion blur
Imagine paying over $3k and that's your photo quality hahahaha. No wonder some anons always compare mft to cellphone quality.
D500 + 200-500 would easily btfo this for half the cost. Hell could get a z7 used and 180-600 for less. You truly have to be a limp-wristed and blind to go mft + 100-400.

>>4399375
>d500
Hey, lets not go that far. D750 at least.

M43 is just camcorders. Flagship snoy video codecs at 1/2 quality.

>>4399377
>g9ii is comparable to d750
said no one except (You) ever kek

>>4399383
>meh ovf af
oh you're a pseudo benchracer

>>4399384
The d750 has AF in the OVF.
it’s about as "meh” for hit rate as the g9iis autofocus, meaning shooting bursts and culling later is the only way af-c will ever work on something moving
This is just a fact

Micro four thirds has finally caught up with the usability of a dslr from 2013, but optics and sensor size remain crippling to people who appreciate rendering (maybe mtf chart and computer measured edge sharpness vignette falloff wankers prefer m43)

>>4399385
still benchracing I see

>>4399386
I bought and returned a g9ii. Its not better for anything but video codec wank than a d750 at all. The photos were so gross i deleted them. It felt like paying $2000 for an em1ii.

>>4399387
based mft-returner

I'm genuinely curious as to your reference point, could you post an example pic that's sharp 'enough'

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>>4399394
>sharp 'enough'
No such thing. There are only sharp photos and unsharp photos. Either you have it (eyes) or you don't.

>>4399395
well there must be some criteria for the dichotomy, so just post a sharp photo then

>>4399396
Why don't you post a photo of what you think is "sharp" since you seem greatly puzzled by the subject.

>>4399278
The Nikkor pf lenses aren't that heavy, but they're kinda pricey. Honestly just get a monopod and the wimberly monogimbal thingy. There's monopods that collapse to the ground too, useful for wildlife. Even a 600mm f/4 isn't a lot to carry around on your back, it's just unwieldy to use. I don't pixel peep or print big so I'm happy with my mft gear which is all easy to handhold.
For Nikon Z the go-to is the 180-600. But keep in mind also that your Z7ii is not good for action or wildlife. Consider a Z8 if you're serious about wildlife. Shit's expensive though.

>but carrying one around sounds like a huge pain in the ass

It fucking is. 200-500 + Tele on a D850 weighs a ton, and then if you add other lenses to the set, you start to feel like you're piggy backing a midget with heavy shopping.

>>4399416
limp-wristed tripfag spotted

>>4399418
Come back when you own one, shorty.

>>4399416
nice arthritis

did you realize you like your camera more if its fit to a cane yet, gramps?

>>4399426
I said come back when you can afford a lens. Whats the matter, your ears full of your daddies spunk?

>>4399422
>7lbs is HEAVY
>come back wen u own 1
lmfao you are a sissy

>>4399433
Ah sorry still cant see your camera or lenses anywhere...

I'll be using mine with these weak sissy wrists while you... aren't I guess? aww.
Don't feed the trolls I know, I know.

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>>4399437
7 lbs is 7 lbs twink

>>4399404
>But keep in mind also that your Z7ii is not good for action or wildlife.

I know. This is my first serious Camera, previous ones being a D3200 and some 4x Olympus back in 2004. I got it because it's light and small, but still has the Z8-Z9 sensor. I knew the downsides, but since I just got back into it the past year I'm still learning so there is room for improvement or me to get something better later on. I've got some great wildlife shots with my MC 105 and Zii already just by practicing.

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>>4399530
Nice douglas squirrel. A sharp prime like that macro lens with a high MP would give you lots of croppability, but definitely look into getting a real supertele if you enjoy this. Nothing wrong with using that body for wildlife, it's just not what it's made for. It's still better than anything anyone had 20 years ago.

Just rent one OP and see how you like it. Rent a couple with different weights to see how they feel. Long lenses are annoying regardless of weight, doubly so ones that extend when zooming. Or just buy one and return it if you don't like how it feels.

>superteles are too big and heavy
Sounds like a you problem

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>>4399530
what lenses do you have for the d3200?

>>4399387
>i bought this camera i hate and returned it
>no i wont post any photos i took on it cause they were all so bad i deleted them
least obvious larper, do you even own a telephoto lens?

>>4399561
Is that an AF mirror lens? Got any pics taken with it? I genuinely have never seen a mirror lens pic that didn't look dogshit.

>>4399644
try again

>>4399644
There's no vignette so it's not Sony. The colours are either gross cus it's Nikon or poorly edited Canon/Lumix.

>>4399567
The shitty kit lens. 24-70 5.6 or something like that. It’s packed away so I can’t check.

>>4399647
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricopfirstinger/53986276118/in/pool-fujifilm-gfx100ii/

>>4399649
Huh, I was thinking there's no way that's even full frame let alone 645. I guess xtrans MF really is equivalent to CMOS apsc

>>4399598
I too think that is sharp without being overly sharpened.

>>4399652
idk I think its pretty sharp

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>>4399647
I actually did think it was sony. The rendering looks a lot like an a7rv and it has the same yellow greens. Sony lenses also dont vignette much, less than canon more than nikon, so its easily erased in post. Vignetting being an issue is a very filmfag mindset. Its only a slight issue on 3 stop vignette lenses like the nikon 26mm f2.8 and canon 50mm f1.2 when shooting wide open at high ISOs or trying to recovery landscape DR wide open for some reason.

>>4399597
Yep, the only AF full frame mirror lens (Minolta also made one for a crop film format). That's the reason I got it, as a "collector's piece", rather than to use. I've only taken a a few photos to test it, here's a comparison with the Sigma on the right also at 500mm and f/8. It's not as bad as I was expecting it to be and could actually be usable.

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>>4399561
>>4399696
neat, I have the manual focus version of this that I use on my 200/201.

>>4399779
it can produce some reasonable images imo, even handheld. I also use it with a 2x teleconverter quite often.

>>4399663
Sony vignettes more than EF, FD, FL, or RF, so not sure where you heard this but it's wrong.

>>4399278
>SIGMA 500 mm F5.6 DG DN OS
>$2,999
What's the catch?

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>>4400163
Seems like a reasonable price

>>4400185
That's what I mean - 2,999 for a prime 500mm seems like a steal. The only con I can find is F5.6.

There's a $500 nikkor 80-200 2.8 Ai-S (manual focus) on ebay right now. Is it worth it?
Seems impractical when the next gen has AF and is half the price.

>>4400189
Depends - does your body have a AF drive? If yes then a manual lens shouldn't be a problem.

>>4400190
No I mean like this is your grandma's telephoto, not the standard one that everyone knows

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>>4400187
That's what I mean, it doesn't seem crazy cheap. It's about £2.8k here, same as the Fuji XF and GF 500mm and many of the zooms that go to 500/600mm (yes they're slower, but also a lot more versatile).

>>4400189
Not wurf
I got the 80-200 f/2.8 af for $150 and it's only sorta wurf at that price.

>>4399782
>Sony vignettes more than rf
Most FE GM lenses vignette less than their L counterparts, except for a few canon wide angles that don't actually cover the sensor.

1mm of mount can't save canon from being bad at lens design

>>4400223
You can put an FL on your sony and fact check this yourself. Not sure why you'd lie for the sake of a company for free. Indian?

>>4400225
>Uhm, but if you use an ancient lens thats baby butt soft...
That doesn't change the fact that canons RF lenses vignette a lot, and sony's don't really vignette that much more than nikon's (a 1/3 stop extra maybe). How does a lens designer fuck up so bad that canon's 50mm f1.2 vignettes a ton and sony and nikons are identical without a computer to measure the extreme corner light loss? How does sony's smaller 28-70 f2 vignette less than canon's larger one? Just canon building to a profit margin, probably.

It's ok to admit that you were wrong about the "baby mount" and that you didn't actually understand how optics work. Sony has really thick glass in front of their sensors and it's proprietary, so it's safe to assume it works together with their lens design to make the mount work fine.

>>4400232
None of this is true. Really hope you don't believe this.

>>4400232
Softness has literally nothing to do with vignette, just hows how little you know that you would even try to bring that up. As for vignette, every single g-master has 1 and 1/3 stop more vignette than Nikon Z equivalents for those that exist and about 2/3rds of a stop more than RF equivalents. You can stop spouting your made up numbers, you post here more than anyone else, even fe2tranny and it's just embarrassing.

>>4400238
It’s all true. The only canon rf lens that vignettes way less than its sony version instead of about the same is the 24mm f1.4 because it doesnt actually cover the sensor and needs extreme digital distortion correction. It’s also almost twice as big as the fe 24mm f1.4 gm and its aperture ring doesnt work in stills mode except on the r1 and r5ii. Lol.

Sony has the #1 spot in FF ILCs for a reason and keeps getting canons old press contracts but hey at least canon leads in compacts and entry level ILCs. Canon lenses are so bad for the price and weight that i see pros opting for the craptastic Z6III, Z8 and Z9 despite the DR/autofocus downgrade. They just want good lenses.

>>4400240
>makes up nonsense
>pls buy anything but snoy
Meanwhile outside of the internet
>associated press: when will you leave canon? -sent from my sony
>getty: soon. -sent from my ca-ERR 20

>>4400240
this is flat out wrong lol

i looked up basic lens stats and sony lenses vignette slightly more than nikon and slightly less than canon. minolta buyout vs printer company vs the only one that is actually an optics company (nikon). also this is a silly thing to care about when the worst canon to the best nikon is not even a full stop of light loss in the corner wide open. no one can tell iso 100 and iso 400 apart after basic post why do you think they’ll pixel peep for corner SNR?

>>4400246
>>4400242
>>4400241
Lmao this is straight up made up.

I just looked it up and RF vignettes 2/3rds less than E mount, which doesn't even matter because GM lens designs all flat out fail acceptability when it comes to edge sharpness anyways. Reading more into it, there's actually a pretty good chance the vignette is intentional to hide this.

>>4400256
Why do you lie? Whats the point? Canon’s already lost most of their major news agencies to sony and is just #2 in FF ILC market share. They couldnt even make a 28-70 f2 without sony’s being smaller and vignetting significantly less. Canons engineering teams have gone downhill.

>>4400257
excusee but canon is #1 in compacts and crop sensors and therefore #1 overall. being #1 in $2000 professional gear is meaningless. everyone uses cameras like the r7 and powershot series. full frame professional cameras are barely a sliver of the whole market and the part that matters the least.

>>4400257
>canon lost this specific company wah wah wah
>i spend all my day researching who quit using canon so I can add them to my collection anecdotes
Canon won cameras overall. They have the biggest market share and the gap is only getting bigger. E mount is a meme for zoomies, pros don't even look at sony's on store shelves, they walk straigh passed as if they're not there and go straight to Canon.

>>4400259
Sony’s #1 in FF sorry. All canon has anymore is getty (for now) and some professional sports (for now). I guess they can be the beginners camera company in the future? Like fuji!

>>4400262
>w-w-w-well snoy is best at [insert niche here]
Lmao. Nice cope, kid.

>WiLdLiFe
The worst snapshits on this board are in the so-called wildlife threads

>>4400310
99% of wildlife photography is just a lens length contest
>BOKEH BIRD
>BIRDS IN FLIGHT

>>4399279
>Nikon owner showing Nikon lens
>snoyfags
This obsession is next level. Anon are the snoyfags in the room right now?

>>4400314
>99% of life is just a length contest
ftfy

>>4400347
Did you miss this guy >>4400262
just a few posts above?