>what is the best black and white developer and why is it XTOL?
It's LC29.

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>what is the best black and white developer and why is it XTOL?

i only ever used rodinal. i heard its not good for fast film though? what should i use for that? my main concern is shelf life

haven't shot much in the past two months

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From last summer, I haven't gotten around to digitizing most of what I shot.

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>>4395784
hair

>>4395786
No, tear.

>>4395784
This would be such a cool shot if film didnt ruin it

>>4395799

Here ya go, fixed.

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>>4395803
Nope still film

Its the lenses, they lack 3d pop unless you use 500mp 4x5 to make an 8mp 8x10

>>4395784
Are you shooting 65mm film?

>>4395804
you clearly don't know what you're talking about
stop watching youtubers and parroting their buzzwords and actually learn photography

>>4395806

Yeah, respooled by one of my friends.

>>4395808

Not even worth a (You), don't waste your time on him.

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>>4395819
Onto 120 spools? Your friend is crazy.

>>4395820

Yeah, totally worth it. Sells them to me for 10 dollars a roll. I think he sells them for 15 otherwise. Time consuming as fuck especially since he's got to cut them down too.

>>4395823
After some practice it probably isn't too bad to cut and tape the film to backing paper. Still crazy. Is that 50D? I've shot some vision3 in 65mm/70mm aerial with a proper 70mm film back on a mamiya rb67. Super nice, but those damn film backs are so freaking finicky.

This picture is taken with HP5 (box speed) and developed in Ilfosol 3. I find these results very pleasing to look at, the grain looks nice and the sharpnes is just enough with film.
I am just thinking maybe I should change my developer into something else, maybe Rodinal or DDX, since people say it is better and much more suitable with HP5. Some people even say that Ilfosol 3 is bad with Hp5 and bad all around developer. I just don't know what is right in this hobby any longer.

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>>4395838
Start printing your images with an enlarger and doing test shots developed in different developers. You can sort of divide film into T grain vs. Traditional and test how they react to developers like that.

>>4395838
>what is right in this hobby
there's no right/wrong if you like the look of your photos but there are different ways to achieve your style so you can do research and then test out a developer that gives you what you want

personally I've only ever used rodinal and the Tmax Developer clone and those two work great for me, both one shot developers to cover conventional and tabular grain films

>>4395825

Actually 250D! But I want to try E100D since he bought a roll.

i've been looking for a while now at different lightweight, compact mechanical 120 cameras with a wide angle lens for backpacking trips. i tried out a horseman convertible recently which seemed to fit the bill perfectly, but it had slow shutter speed issues so i returned it to the seller. fuji gsw690 is a little too bulky, and fuji gs645w is unreliable (i already have a gs645s that i've had to get repaired twice, not going to get fooled again).

all i can think of now are the makina w67 and hasselblad swc. makina w67 has a reputation of fragility but not sure how much of it is actually deserved, seems like a lot of it is people mistreating the folder rather than it just failing out of nowhere. swc is a little clunky and heavier but looks very solid, it's just that ultrawide squares are tricky.

anyone mess with these or other cameras? i'm aware if i went a standard focal length i'd have more options with vintage folders or tlrs. electronics would open up the mamiya 6 or fuji gf670w but the idea of one of these bricking in the middle of nowhere is terrifying

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>>4395838
grain looks nice with Rodinal
I recently shot Fomapan 400 at 800 and developed with Rodinal 25+1 for 10 minutes
I think it looked great but for some it would be too grainy

>>4395847
You could always try out a graflex swxl. Basically the same thing as a horseman convertible. What was wrong with the horseman?

The other option is using something like a sinar handy with a 120 back on it sans grip. More bulky than the convertible, but it packs fairly well and you can use a 47mm super angulon with a 69 back, and get full coverage. The handy also fits a 612 back if you wanted, or you can get a sinar zoom film back that let's you choose any 120 format from 645 to 612 and change crop midroll with auto calculated spacing. Very pricey, but really cool.

I've shot 4 rolls on chrismas, lot of scanning to do
I've done this 15min exposure on a balcony
turned out pretty crazy, there was a fog so the bottom is overexposed

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>>4395852
in regards to the 47mm angulons i had considered the brooks veriwide 100 before, which is a lot more compact than the xlsw and handy. my concern with those is the uncoated optics and f8 aperture making handholding difficult, as well as difficulty of finding one in good condition. but actually the more i look at sample photos on flickr and elsewhere the more i like the look.

the horseman had a really strange issue with the slow shutter speeds where they would fire perfectly when the shutter was cocked level or pointed downwards, but if you cocked the shutter while the camera was inclined even a little upwards, the slow shutter speeds would fire instantly. basically if i wanted to use the slow speeds (think 1/8 or slower) on a tripod, i would need to remember to point the camera downwards to cock the shutter and then recompose. i have no clue if that was actually a defect but i could find no mention of it in the manual. if i'm being honest this would've been extremely minimal impact for 99.9% of my photography but nowadays i take no chances, especially if i'm within a return window.

tried out psychedelic blues, pretty neat little film. shot with a Bigfinder 35 AF

>>4395874
it has a few other effects besides square/circles but a lot of those are family/friends so I don't plan to post them here

>>4395875
and of course there's no way to know in advance which effects will be on which frames. still fun and worth a shoot if you want to spice up your shooting

Olympus Pen EE-3

>>4395868
That is a bizarre problem. Probably a missing spring or something. Kinda sucks. Those look like fun cameras.

I really like my uncoated super angulons. The 47mm I have is really quite nice if you don't get near the edge of its projection. Pic is a 4x5 shot with the 47mm angulon. She wide.

You could also simply ball out like a madman and purchase this sinar lantec kit for 15 grand, lol. Widest lens is a whopping 23mm. Check the projections on the lenses because they may only work with 645. You would need an adapter to go to something like a mamiya 645 film back, which they do sell.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/326385551842

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>>4395682

>slow films better than fast

fuck you im sticking with kentmere 400

>>4395896
amazing reading capabilities, anon

>thread question

genuinely prefer barry thornton's two bath developer. on roll film you can get a wide range of contrasts and you can actually use the zone system (if youre a nerd)

for 4x5 it also helps with maintaining shadow detail while also fully developing the highlights (same with roll film but it really shines thru with large format)

bath A:
80g sodium sulfite
6.5g metol
30g typical table salt

bath b:
12g sodium metaborate
OR
7.8g sodium carbonate

each bath gets 4.5 minutes at 20 degrees C regardless of film, as long as you know that film's true iso (ie catlabs 80 is more like an iso 30-50 film, hp5 genuinely a 400 speed film) w/ normal agitation. no prewash or any rinse between a and b bath. stop as normal and fix as normal. pour each bath back into its bottle and be careful not to contaminate bath A with bath B.

should last around 10 rolls or 40 4x5 sheets or 10 8x10 sheets. stock lasts at least 6 months (my oldest stock was 6 months).

400 iso and above may work better at 5 minutes in both but i just like having iso 100s in my tank as well so i stick to 4.5 in both.

i've had kentmere 400, 100, hp5, delta 100, 400, 3200, and t max 100 in there and all my negatives came out great. even mix and matching rolls in tanks came out fine.

Waiting for film to dry is the most shitass part.

Based on the negatives alone though, I think the massive dev time for Arista (Foma) 400 at 320 in XTOL 1+1 is a tad short. I dev'd about half this batch of 4x5 sheets at the recommended 8 minutes, and the other half at 8'30", and the 8 minute batch seems a tad thin.

>>4395931
If you have a hair dryer you can use that to dry them in like 3 minutes. Rubber gloves are a good idea, and don't let the film get too hot.

>>4395931
photoflo helps a lot.

always hated inverting phone pics of my negs. never works out well for me at least

>>4395932
It's too late to scan them anyway, gotta work tomorrow so I might as well just let them dry normally at this point.

>>4395933
Sometimes it can give you at least some kind of idea of how they're going to turn out once properly scanned.

>>4395894
Love the dynamic range

"Don't worry bro, I promise not to drown you all again. I'll just incinerate you instead." t.God

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>>4395850
That's interesting, what kind of results did you get?
I have been thinking of starting to shoot more Fomapan since the price of Hp5 seems to be too damn high. Man I wish I would know how to bulk load, so I could save some money on film.

>>4395860
Really like this one

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>>4395931
>>4395934
it's better to hang your negatives from a corner, so that the water gets concentrated in a single point and drops, instead of having it like you hung, which can make water accumulate on tge bottom and dry there, causing stains
>>4395989
bulk loading is just about buying a bulk loader and a can of film, there's not much of a technique
get one and start doing it, it's cheaper in the long run

>>4395993
thx
another one, 10 minutes on an old cemetery, cropped of course because I can't compose for shit in the darkness with a shitty tripod

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>>4395894
yeahhh i think ill just decide between the makina and swc then lol. probably going to try out the makina first, 55mm on 6x7 is a lot more reasonable than 38mm on 6x6. another issue with the swc is how to attach a lightmeter, i'd have to get one of those hood cold shoe clips to stick one on the front of the lens. also swc prices are crazy, at least for the cf versions.

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>>4396003
>I can't compose for shit in the darkness with a shitty tripod
skill issue

how come no photos i'm taking on this camera seem to be in focus? f3 with a 35mm lens. am i just terrible with this lens/camera only because everything else I take looks normal

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>>4396038
have you tried other lenses with the same body? or this lens on another body?
maybe your viewfinder is misaligned, which would explain images looking sharp on it and misfocused on the film itself

I took 2 photos this saturday, one after the other but a couple hours apart, and they came out quite perfectly aligned by chance
>the joys of photography

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>>4396039
the lens seems okay on another body, at least from the LCD preview on a digital, i'll get one big screen to see for sure. i haven't yet tested another lens yet on this F3, that was my next step, as i had a suspect feeling something was off on it.

even at F8 or so, looking to get as much in focus as I can with a fast shutter speed, it just still looks funky.

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>>4396047
put the lens on the digital body, stick it on a tripod, focus on something at a certain distance, switch for the analog camera, and see if it's still in focus (the film plane and the sensor plane should be at the same place but it won't matter that much changing a couple inches for something at a reasonable distance
then check if the thing is still in focus
do it as a quick but not exhaustive test

Fun with a red filter

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scanning is the worst

Might have gone a bit too aggressive with the tilt or not aggressive enough with the aperture on this one. The effect I was going for is there and kinda neat, but maybe a little too much there.

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I was a bit too slow to catch the locomotive on this one, would have made for a better shot. Just need more practice working the crown graphic faster.

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I quite like how this one came out though.

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Or this one that I cropped down into a 6x12

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What to get for scanning? I guess scanning with a camera is the way to go most of the time because it's quick and can fit multiple formats with the same setup saving money. But out of all the stuff available, what's the best? Or would it be a better idea to just get some flatbed and deal with it?

It's the new year, let's post some 2024 stats!
>87x rolls total
>
>PROCESSES:
>39x C41, including:
>- 3x chromogenic B&W
>- 10x in home dev kit
>38x B&W, including:
>- 1x cross-process (R100 roll in B&W)
>7x R100, including:
>- 3x ruined rolls (due to spoiled developer)
>3x E6
>
>FORMATS:
>74x 135
>13x 120, including:
>- 7x 6x6
>- 5x 9x6
>
>SPEEDS:
>4x ISO 8
>4x ISO 12
>2x ISO 25
>4x ISO 50
>3x ISO 80
>23x ISO 100
>2x ISO 125
>2x ISO 160
>17x ISO 200
>1x ISO 320
>19x ISO 400
>2x ISO 800
>2x ISO 1600
>2x ISO 3200
>8x pull
>4x push
>
>First roll of the year: Fomapan R100
>Last roll of the year: Ilford XP2 @1600
I was hoping to break 100 rolls, but I had a few weeks of unexpected downtime. It's still the most I ever shot in a single year.
The most surprising thing is that B&W makes less than half of what I shot, it's normally 85-90% of all. It's the first time in 20+ years for me that B&W wasn't a vast majority. But I was experimenting a lot in color this year, including some at-home development of C41.
Anyway, no matter how much you shoot, I hope you had a productive, creative and satisfying year! Here's to this one being even better!

>>4396108
Thanks, that actually looks great, I really need to give it a try!

>>4396131
I ain't reading all that nigga

>>4396131
i shot 5 rolls, i think
one foma 400, three rolls of 5222, and one ektar

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>>4396131
Ok heres mine

Rolls: idk
Processes: 50 year old rodinal
Formats: unsure
Speeds: slow
Cameras built: 1

>>4396131
My 2024 stats:
I don’t know, camera just goes click.

>>4396131
rolls:
idk 5 maybe, numbers scare me
processes:
Rodinal on 2, rest I didn't develop myself
I have control issues, that's why I started developing myself.
formats:
film lol
speeds:
yes
first roll:
gold 200
last:
foma 400
times I got laid:
0

I think my X-700 is about to break, sometimes the light meter takes a bit to come on. And no, it's not one of the later shitty Chinese-made models.

>>4396156
New battery?

>>4396157
I put in a new one because I thought it was the battery, didn't help. Must be a bad capacitor.

>>4396158
Yea probably is then. Time to bust out the soldering iron.
Best of luck, here's a service manual I came across (2'nd post)
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/minolta-x700-light-meter-problem.168004/

>>4396161
thanks
the shutter works no problem so I think it's not the infamous issue with the faulty capacitor the newer models have but it must be something related to that
or maybe just an old solder joint that needs reflowing

>>4396164
Afaik there are two caps that can go bad on specifically the x700, one for the shutter and one for the meter.
One is under the base plate and the other is (i think) under the iso dial

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>>4396075
Very nice and crisp, that’s slide film?

>>4396189
look at the film border

>>4396131
2024 stats:
like 6 rolls and 75 sheets of 4x5

most in d76, started doing d23 and two bath like a few months ago

speeds:
50 sheets of 80 iso
25 sheets of 100 iso

6 rolls 400 iso

first roll: delta 400
last roll: kentmere 400

>>4396169
Let be guess, the one that is a bitch to get to (top one) is for the meter?

>>4396255
Yeah

cool.

>>4396131
around 45 rolls total
Processes: B&W only, mainly HP5 and Kentmere 400 in XTOL
Formats: 6x 6x6, and 35mm rest
Speeds: not gonna count all that shit, recently not slower than 400 because of winter, pushed hp5 and kentmere to 1600/800
frist roll: of the year Gold 200
last roll: Kodak Vision3 250D

I've gotten into medium format this year and I absolutely love it
you can push the film few stops and still looks nice and smooth because of the negative size, I will be definitely experimenting more with it, I've 3d printed some 37mm filter adapters for my Minolta Autocord, and I've designed also a suitable sun hood

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stand deving Double-X rated at 800 ISO in rodinal (1+100) for 60 minutes tonight lads

>>4396298
Based. Enjoy the lovely grain and contrast.

any 4x5 fags use a roll back?

i no longer have access to a 4x5 enlarger, only one up to 6x7. i plan to get a roll back for my toyo 45e and a field camera (idk what it is ngl but it looks like a wista, hopefully it has a graflok back since its still in the mail).

which ones should i get?

i know its not the same resolution but a bigger negative would help me at least do what i need to do vs 35mm film. i think it'll be easier to bracket as well lol. cheaper for sure, and also i can finally use 400 speed film (i basically only use catlabs 80 in 4x5 and i know its in 120 but i can also use kentmere or whatever i want). i dont want to keep my cameras in the dust as well, like i've been doing since i switched back to 35mm.

>>4396323
Best overall, but probably out of budget is either of the sinar zoom models. One goes up to 6x9 and the other goes to 6x12. They let you switch between various formats shot to shot with auto spacing, so you aren't wasting film.

Mid tier, but still good is probably the horseman backs. I think they are more modern than linhof backs, and they are lighter, but still well made. More modern linhof backs are also pretty good. Just make sure you only get ones with a cocking lever and not a roller/knob advance they have spacing problems because of the thickness of 120 paper.

Do not get the ones that look like the sinar zooms but aren't sinar zooms they are really difficult to load and the one I used sucked at everything.

I've never looked into it, but you may be able to get adapters that would let you use rb67 or whatever film backs as well.

>>4396131
first 6 months of film photography (started in july)
shot probably 60 rolls or so this year, all c41 except a single roll of p3200 tmax. shot everything from 100 to 800 c41, first roll of the year was ultramax 400, and the last roll was psychedelic blues #6 200iso (which I believe is a hand-fogged roll of 200 gold judging from the can). all lab developed and scanned, although I've got a film scanner coming as a christmas present. then maybe i'll get in to home development at some point this year. probably will slow down on shooting as now I have a better idea of what subjects interest me and what film stocks I like, though I have a lot to explore with b&w still.

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>>4395429
But is says right there in the mail that there's no exceptions. Us yuropoors have no rights.

>>4396298
do post results, i wanna try doublex at some point but cant find ANY examples of people developing with rodinal

>>4396398
here you go, half frame double x exposed at 800 rodinal 1+50
>>4396138
this one is double x shot at 250, rodinal 1+50

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>>4396403
another, exposed at 800 again, 1+50 the same as the rest

>>4396327
NTA but this Sinar Zoom looks very cool
would be nice to make some panoramic shots
I know it's a retarded question, but how feasible would it be to cut a strip of 120 and tape it to a 4x5 holder?
Getting it perfectly flat can be hard but I believe it would be possible
Or maybe 3D print a mask that goes under the tabs that hold the film and has 120-specific tabs that let you slide 120 film as you would with a film sheet
I don't know shit about 3D printing but I'm sure it's possible
Would be nice

>>4396407
The juice is not really worth the squeeze unless you needed to use some 120 only film stock for panoramic shots. You could just mask your ground glass to 6x12, use 4x5 film then just crop in post.

It's pretty thin under those tabs. Maybe with the right material it would work.

>>4396404
another from the same roll
i am nether a particularly skilled photographer, or super precise/consistent on development. 20C +-2C, agitate 5-10 seconds every minute
i am sure other people can get much better results from pushing double x in rodinal

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>>4396131
>Winter:
Portra 800
Ektar 100 x2
Wolfen NC500
Tmax 100

>Spring:
Portra 160 x2
Velvia 50

>Summer:
Gold 200 x2 (p&s)
Santacolor 100 (p&s)
Portra 160
Ektar 100
Velvia 100 (Not dropped off at lab yet)

>xmas & NYE:
Gold 200 (Not dropped off at lab yet)

15 rolls and about 500 shots on 35 mm to a cost of 430€

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>>4396403
ough, yeah nah i dont think im gonna push mine when i do end up getting some, thanks for the heads up

>>4396438
keep in mind that pic is half frame too and i think i messed up with some temperatures as well. tap water gets to be around 6-8C during winter
here it is cropped but otherwise unedited i guess
i agree though, pushing double x in rodinal does not result in particularly pleasing pictures...

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>>4396298
>>4396398
I'll post a couple, the rest are of family over the Xmas period.

>>4396427
maybe aluminum?
I just like experimenting with stuff, and it would be a ""'cheap""" way to shoot some cool panoramas with slide film without buying some absurdly expensive Fuji G617 or something like that
Just for fun
Shooting slide on 4x5 is on my plans for this year, though

>>4396440
I think its the stand dev that does it.
Usually makes for really chunky grain.

>>4396449
Super thin Double sided tape on the entire face + cut acetate sheet to align the 120 strip would work. If you search the large format photography forum there's a specific tape people use, but any double sided would probably work in a pinch. Don't leave the film on the tape too long or it will leave residue.

Thought I'd plug these guys real quick
Very interesting stuff
https://filmwashi.com/en/
And a video of the founder explaining his process
https://youtu.be/Ss2vmF1KDcI?feature=shared

I just got 2 myself, one 35mm and another 120mm, will post when done

>>4396473
if im not completely wrong, pic related is from a roll of washi x

>>4396513
>washi
more liked washed out

>>4396473
Here is a poorly exposed and developed shot of their actual washi 4x5. The film they put on the washi paper. It's almosy black in person, but I got this out of it by scanning.

If you plan on trying it I highly recommend that you load the film under a darklight. It is incredibly difficult to load in a changing bag because of how flimsy the paper is.

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>>4396473
Here is another washi film. Maybe their xray film. Can't remember.

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>>4396473
And here is one of their super slow speed, super fine grain, high contrast films.

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>>4396473
>smashed and slammed

You can get some interesting effects with their high contrast film. I think the spectral sensitivity is also kinda unique or unusual. Maybe just a contrast thing...

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Just stand developed some box speed foma 100 in rodinal 1:100 400ml and got insane contrast.
Rare foma w? I usually gotta overexpose or cook it in 1:25 to get any contrast.

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>>4396513
>>4396518
neat you had a few for show, thanks for sharing
>>4396519
>>4396520
this is what im going for, really nice!
From what I gather the S for 35mm and the I for 120mm are in the ranges of the two last posts

>>4396327
im seeing some cheap calumet roll film backs for non graflok backs that just slide in

>>4396563
In my original post I warned against that style of film back. Ymmv, but I tried using an old non calumet version that is the same style and it freaking sucked in every way. Very tedious to load and the spacing was never consistent. Maybe the calumet ones are good, but I really have no clue.

>>4396565
I just found out one of my filmholders has a lightleak
I'll bring it to the store to get it replaced, but it was a bummer I first lost what would be a beautiful shot of children playing in a waterfont, which I assumed was fucked because my grandpa opened up the bathroom door that I forgot to lock when I was developing film
all sheets were already in the stop bath, but I thought that one got fucked because maybe it was the topmost negative when he opened the door
It was quick and under dim light, but I thought it was that
And the other one were some fucking cool geese at the park
Good thing I kept track what was shot with which filmholder and which side, so I lost the minimum amount of photos possible
Still kinda sucks though lol
Kinda bittersweet to know at least it wasn't my fault in the first shot, I kept thinking "shit, I shouldn't forget to lock the door when developing"
still a lesson learned, also

>>4396663
>>4396565
Sorry, didn't mean to quote you

wtf happend to this shots? I can't figure it out. I had a nikon l1b filter on the lens but that can't be it right?

>>4396680
Most of the rolls came back with the exposure cracked up to 11

>>4396678
Did you set your iso correctly?
They look very overexposed
Can be the scanning, tho
Check the negatives, can't tell without them

>>4396678
Shitty scan methinks

Just got some of my test shots back. First time using the RB67. Lots to improve but I think that if I focus on actually making a good photo instead of snaps I could get some sweet results.

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Kodak gold and portra were used for this test.

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>>4396725
I read people had a hard time hitting the focus with the RB67 put it seems it got the focus right every time

finally got my own scanner, now to spend ages fiddling with it and scanning in way too high a quality to edit it with my limited ability and then save it in a downscaled format to post on 4chan.org/p

picrel ofc

>>4396759
I've never heard complaints about focusing with the RB67
in fact it's the clearest viewing glass I've ever seen in any camera, with precise focusing control, the image is super clear
focusing with it is a pleasure

Got scans back, really impressed with Sora 200. Very strong yellows, even more than Kodak Gold.

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>>4396814
An extreme example from a sunset

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>>4395682
Is that the big gangbang building where all the rich ugly greaseballs in LA pay pornstars to fuck in the middle while they watch with their fat wives?

>>4395784
All excellent images, but I especially appreciate including the full image to the edges here.

>>4396828
Have you considered taking your meds?

>>4396814
>Sora 200
what is?

>>4396828
>>4396832
lmaoooo

>>4396849
https://filmneverdie.com/products/filmneverdie-sora-200-35mm-36-exp
Picked it up from their vending machine while i was in Melbourne.
Here's another shot from it. Turned the purple Jacaranda into basically a pink.

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>>4396808
That was my thought exactly! Guess you shouldn’t trust random yt camera test videos

>>4396473
>https://filmwashi.com/en/
buy an ad. this is cancer

>>4396856
if a photography content youtuber can't focus with a fucking RB they should find another career

>>4396880
Being the fun police is cancer.

What's a good 150mm coated lens for my crown graphic? The 135mm Optar it came with is nice for some situations but the softness is detrimental in others.

>>4396949
Best would be an apo sironar-n. May be a bit overkill. If you have a spare shutter you can look online for a sinaron se or other sinar branded 150mm lense mounted in a db shutter. They're usually a lot cheaper than the exact lens but rodenstock branded.

Something like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/154052684870

This is the older and slightly lower performance version, but the newer sinaron se is going to be closer to 600-900 dollars instead of 230, and they are really designed/priced for even sharpness over their large projections, which isn't needed for a press camera.

>>4396949
There's lots of other good options as well. Schneider, nikkor, caltar 2, etc.

>>4396949
any of the fujinons are cheap and reliable

>>4396851
I heard JoBurg and Pretoria used to have beautiful Jacaranda

Here's an oldie

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Got this for 10 bucks. Anyone know what I'm in for? One side holds 35mm film and the other is a ground glass for framing. It's more compact than using my EF mount + 1v atleast...

I guess it remains light tight when you rotate the thing between gg and film...

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>>4397043
looks like your typical rollfilm back for a view camera, you still would need to mount it on a camera so it being smaller than a 1v is highly questionable.

>>4397043
that's a large format camera accessory that allows you to use 35mm
you focus on the ground glass, rotate the thing and shoot it on 35mm film

>>4397046
>>4397045
I have an ef mount to sinar back adapter for my view camera. Definitely not more compact than just an slr, but it essentially serves the same purpose just a bit less convenient.

I wonder more about the functionality of that specific rollfilm back. I guess you can just rotate it to the gg side to keep it light tight. I'll post more about it when it arrives. For 10 bucks it seemed like a fun little accessory. Might be nice for some things.

>>4397043
>It's more compact than using my EF mount + 1v atleast..
>>4397049
>Definitely not more compact than just an slr
you duplicitous sack of shit, and to think i answered you in good faith.

>>4397051
-_- you misunderstand.

In my initial post I'm saying that the rollfilm back + view camera is more compact than my ef mount to sinar adapter + 1v + view camera.

This post >>4397045 seems to think I would only be using my 1v without any view camera, probably because I wasn't totally clear that when I said ef mount I meant ef mount to sinar back adapter so I can use my 1v attached to my view camera.

>>4397043
Can I ask why you would be using 35mm film with a view camera in the first place?

>>4397055
To maximize the inconvenience and tedium of exposing small squares film.

Nah. It could be cool for high magnification macro, using super long focal lengths, and massive camera movements.

I'm sure I'll find some fun uses for it. Remember it was only 10 bucks.

I recently got some assorted 120 film as part of a camera trade. It was fridge/freezer stored but expired in 2014, so I was following the general rule to overexpose the film by a stop. Earlier today, I loaded a roll of Velvia 100F and started shooting it, following the overexposure rule without realizing the different process it uses (I'm also getting a little confused by how E-6 works).

What's the best course of action from here? Shoot the rest of the roll following the same overexposure rule and ask the developer to push it by a stop? Or just consider the first few frames wasted and shoot the rest of the shots at box speed or underexposed by a bit?

>>4397056
>To maximize the inconvenience and tedium of exposing small squares film.
That's what I was thinking. Interested to see what you get out of it anyway. There was a guy on /p/ ages ago that cut up and sticky taped a whole roll of 35mm to the backing plate in a view camera so it was like a single image collage type thing. That was a bit pointless but cool I thought.

>>4397062
slide film is the one general exception to the "rule" and many here even think that rule is bullshit as it is. of all the emulsions, slide is typically the one worst affected by time and also the one most difficult to mitigate the effects.

>>4397063
I've considered that, but then I just shot an 8x10 sheet lol.

Using shift + rise and fall to take multi shot images, printing the frames in varying crop levels then stitching the prints together(think collage) could make for very interesting images. There's definitely some creative stuff that it would enable or at least make easier/more precise.

>>4397067
I think I get what you mean and it could definitely be interesting. Sounds extremely tedious as well though.

>>4396989
This is Perth Australia and there’s swathes of them depending where you are in the city. Really beautiful walking along entire streets or paths of them.

Have any of you used Olympus Mju Zoom cameras, what is the quality of the lenses on those cameras, are they absolutely crap?

Lately, I've seen a lot of these cameras on sale for very cheap, why aren't they suitable for people is it just because Mju II hype makes them less desirable?

>>4397119
They're fine, nothing special however.
I can post some pictures Ive taken with one later.

ripe and dense motherfuckers

>>4397119
foma 200 shot on a mju zoom 115 developed in rodinal

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Have a free black metal album cover to commemorate breaking a new Mamiya C330.

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>>4397176
You smash it?

>>4397176
Was supposed to type "breaking in" but given my luck with old tech, it's probably not far off in the future.

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>>4397179
Not yet, but I'm an ogre handed brute so probably soon enough. I'm not really a fan of fiddly cameras like the C330 but it's the only thing that's affordable in the medium format game these days.

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Last one for now. Probably won't take this thing out for another spin until the spring. The cold was definitely starting to jam up the mechanism, had to use an uncomfortable amount of force to turn the cocking lever for the last few frames.

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came out fine, little bit more grainy than I expected, I adjusted the time +15% because I already reused my XTOL for 7 rolls

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>>4397176
Is it as yuuge as it looks? I been thinking about getting one but I didn't realize how big it was until I saw it in a youtuber's hands. But maybe those youtubers have tiny girl hands.
>>4397187
Dang that's a shame, would've thought that would be a benefit of no electronics

>>4397405
I used to have a Rolleicord Vb and in comparison C330 is only somewhat larger, but significantly heavier. Older C-series bodies are a bit bigger than C330. Size and heft are a plus on my book because it's just easier to operate with gloves on and keep steady at slower speeds. Rolleicord pissed me off with how fiddly and light it was, and I'd never get another one. Also how it was a boomer magnet, but I think the C330 will suffer from the same problem for being a TLR, although nowadays I don't shoot around where there are other people most of the time so it's less of an issue.

Also electronics work perfectly in the usual winter conditions, I shoot my Dynax 800si in winter all the time and it never gives any issues. Up to -20C doesn't affect batteries as much as you'd think, especially lithium ones, and I don't go out in temperatures colder than that. Pic related, just got back from a nice -15C frosty walk innawoods with the Dynax. A local old fart showed up in a car as I was leaving and gave me an evil eye but drove off, probably saw me in a trail camera and thought I was poaching. Nothing good ever comes from encountering people in the boonies, but at least he didn't feel like yelling at me.

>film didn't stay caught on the winder so now I have to reshoot it all
at least now i'm cognizant enough to realize when it goes over 37-38 exposures there's probably an issue and it confirms when the rewinding has zero tension

Beginner question, what are the practical differences between a light meter in a camera and a camera with auto exposure? I got a Nikon EL2 and it has an auto exposure option to adjust shutter speed based on aperture, but not a light meter

been wanting to shoot more panf for some big, clean looking prints, but have been struggling to find a good developer for it. only things i have on hand are rodinol and hc110. picrel is 1:100 rodinol semistand and i havent bothered with hc110 since dilution b on 50iso pan f is something like 4 minutes and The Online People recommend against it. was wondering what you guys use for it for finer grain/better contrast

>>4396404
love this

>>4397543
el2 should do manual metering just like any other camera. just set your shutter speed to something normal like 1/125th and then adjust aperture til the black needle is in the green needle

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>>4397561
Oh okay, thanks! i haven't gotten a battery for it yet so I haven't experimented with that

>>4397561
Pan F+ is 11 minutes in rodinal 1+50 or 6 in 1+25, what's wrong with that?

>>4397405
>he watches youtubers talk about cameras
yikes...

>>4397176
Based, I just got a C330 as well. Pretty mint condition. Going snowboarding this weekend and will be taking it with me to the mountains.

Late but es ok

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>>4396801
Bros it's hard editing everything on my own. Sometimes the scan comes out dead on, sometimes it just needs minor color correcting, but sometimes it's a grainy mess and idk if the sensor is fucked or if my photo is just grainy/underexposed and that's fucking with it or what. And then sometimes I rescan it and it looks perfectly normal as if there was never a problem. And I can't tell how much post-processing is too much, I usually push things untill they look cartoony or grainy and then walk them back. Even with gloves, a blower, and a negative safe microfiber cloth to catch the negs and keeping them in plastic baggies until I put them in their cut up sleeves I can't help but feel like I'm scratching them and getting fingerprints on them (or maybe it was my prior bad handling... Or the lab's). Maybe I just got a meh scanner, maybe I need better software or just more practice in darktable/rawtherapee. At least for most pictures it's a simple process and gives me better results than lab scans, but the 10% or so of photos that I both care about scanning well and have some issues that needs heavy editing is really going to force me to learn a whole new skill set.

>>4397454
You didn't noticed the rewind knob not spinning when advancing?

>>4397566
nothing is wrong with that, just wanted to know if anyone here had any experience/preferences

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>>4397062
in my experience expired slide film stays the same speed but picks up a heavy color cast as it gets more and more expired. velvia in particular will get super magenta. i have some extremely cooked 20+ yr old velvia 50 and it actually is salvageable with some white balance though.

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>>4397607
no I did not. its something that I should be paying more attention to clearly. then again, this is only the 2nd time its happened, hopefully there won't be a 3rd

>>4397573
shoot film like a boss is the goat watch your tone nigga

>>4397573
>popular thing bad because... it just is, OK!
I genuinely despise the unique brand of extremely homosexual contrarian that has infested this site.

How do you do scans? I saw a local deal for the nikon CoolScan 4000 ED and am thinking of getting it. The alternatives seem to be dslr scanning and plusteks. The Nikon seems like the best of the bunch for 35mm.

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>>4397640
lmao little faggots wasting your life watching Z grade amateur video. and get butt blasted when called out about it. by all means, cocksuckers. waste more of your sad life. you werent doing anything with it anyway. remember this post next time you are pissing away 45 min on some retards' vlog and how the best shot you've ever taken is some barely in focus dog shit of a building corner or flower. thanks for the laugh ;D

>>4397673
"DSLR" scanning with a macro lens, it's super fast and quality is comparable to high-end scanners

>>4397673
I just got a Primefilm XA plus and while I'm still learning with it when I get the scan right it's definitely a noticeable upgrade compared with lab scans. It's finicky and it can't really deliver on the promised ability to scan an entire roll automatically but it does have a nice workflow of put the roll through>scan best images, do some editing while the scanner is working>comes out the other side for me to chop the negatives up and put them into storage.

>>4397673
>How do you do scans?
I was using the Nikon Es-2 with the 40mmDX macro on my Nikon D5100 but the diffuser on the es-2 cracked and was showing up in the scans as a line

yesterday I used the Essential Film Holder for 35mm and the D5100/40mm macro and results look pretty good so far. I just gotta setup a more level scanning setup on my desk and figure out a way to keep the holder from moving on the light table as I push film through it. the Vlads Focus and Alignment Strip really helped here

replaced my tripod's head because it had a little wiggle room that, albeit minimum, made it difficult for precise movements
it was cast iron head by Linhof, and I changed it for a Manfrotto 808RC4
I liked how intuitive the Linhof was, but I'm anxious to go out and use the new one
it's way more precise, for sure
and not having that wiggle will be a relief

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>>4397749
Is that a weird custom sinar rail holder?

>>4397673
I take multiple section shots with my Trannysoynic G9 in pixelshit mode and stitch them in Photoshop. If I can make out individual grains without aliasing on 4x5 I'm satisfied.

>>4397758
I have a Toyo Omega View 45D (or C, I truly can't tell the fucking difference)
the rail is circular with a rectangle on top
And the triangular cut is probably so that it bends to properly grip on the rail

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I found the Gnome's, they're real!

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>>4397852
>>4397854
What sort of cooked film is this?

>>4397856
Fuji Superia 400 that was sitting in the cupboard and expired in 2007 that I metered at 100 ISO (because when I metered at 200 it wasn't enough).
I have one more roll of it that I'm going to use when I'm in Japan next.

>>4397673
Went and got this one. I did some math and for the price of this and a firewire to pcie card it matched the price of a cam scanning setup but has the ability to batch scan a whole roll without any issues. IDK if this is noise from the scanner or ultramax just looks like this. Propbs wont even show on the export though. Quality is better than what I got from the lab, though so that's nice.

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>>4397875
To add, I fiddled with the drivers and am using the nikon software. It's pretty ancient but seems to work so no complaints as of yet. Might test vuescan in the future. What's really nice is the "Digital ICE" which tries to remove dust etc. from scans. Works wonders.

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>>4397857
shooting badly stored expired color film in a trip abroad is wildly retarded
at least you already know everything will be as shit as the shots you posted

>>4397885
well it's not like i would just use that one roll
honestly the lack of contrast and flat whites create an interesting look to me
wildly innacurate? absolutely, but fun nonetheless

>>4397876
i have a coolscan 4000 also, but vuescan is the only option for linux. no idea how to get nikon scan to get the twain source in wine
digital ice in vuescan is pretty bad, but otherwise great scanner and very good scans
soldered the two pins on my sa-21 so it takes full rolls too, very nice

>accidentally scan film strip improperly like a moron
>realize it can be compared to a proper scan to gauge sensor noise vs grain rendering
neato

>>4397894
I used expired film on a trip to Hawaii. It was fine, pics came back fucked up in a cool way. I also shot new film so it was fine.

>>4397894
i was shitting on you, shoot however you like best
I've never liked shooting expired film, but I did it a couple times
at best it looks like it should, at worst it looks like complete dogshit
and in general it tends to look like complete dogshit to my taste
so anyway, whatever floats your boat

It arrived and the film advanced works better than I thought. The pressure plate is mirror polished. I wonder if this will have any strange effect on the film...

The ground glass is adorably tiny. I kinda love it. Shooting a roll of xx through it rn. May post scans later today

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>>4397980
if I may suggest you something, use a shitload of camera movements
at least to me the fun of it would be precisely doing stuff i *can't* already do with a 35mm camera
tilt/shift/swing, exaggerated perspectives, razorthin DoF shots etc.

>>4397984
I will try. I took a few macro shots as a start. I couldn't finish the roll before sunset. :(

So far my main difficulty is working with 150mm+ focal lengths only. It makes things kinda tricky framing wise. All my shorter lenses are mounted on linhof boards, I lost my adapter somehow, and I'm not sure my camera can even get close enough to use a 90mm lens at infinity because the 35mm adapter adds about 1 inch of distance between lens and film.

>>4397980
oo which film back is this

>>4397996
My guess is that it may actually be a custom made adapter. I've browsed the sinar catalogs and have never seen anything like it before.

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