>>2799718
>SW Virginia
The access to national forests is very easy, which is almost a con because there's typically a herd of dickheads at the nearest access shooting the trees, leaving large depots of feces and trash, and generally spreading lead poisoning mind rot. If you are willing to hike/bike/drive the extra 30 minutes further, 90% of the chaff is reduced and you can enjoy what you advertise. Generally very picturesque, lots of cool springs, limestone rock formations and caves, mushrooms and wildlife. Also some of the least assuming, warm but not nosey people, unless you trespass in the wrong trailer's backyard. Some cool abandoned fire towers and mines along the ridges too.

Can't comment on PA but I'd like to explore in the upper Appalachians soon

>>2799729
>Some cool abandoned fire towers
with no view at all
and nobody maintains the old fire road that used to lead up, let alone restores it to drivable condition

>>2799718
You have down syndrome.

>>2799747
there's actually a couple of high cliffs with good views as well as some mini-gorges with waterfalls and lots of rock formations like hocking hills, it's definitely not the best part of appalachia hiking, just like the ny part of appalachia, but it's still pretty nice if you research where to go

>>2799756
>just like the ny part of appalachia
NY's southern tier continues to fly under the radar and I'm ok with that

>>2799803
my mom used to g to letchworth all the time from buffalo. she said it was kino

>>2799824
I go there once a season and it never gets old. Stony Brook's rim and gorge trails (when they're open) are also good for scenic trailrunning loops. Lots of stairs like the state parks around Ithaca.

>>2799839
ithaca is out of bounds!

>>2799925
What

>>2799926
geologically
otherwise the highlighted green area is almost entirely ridge and valley (ok) and plateau (even better)

ithaca and finger lacks are the elephant graveyard, its like canadian shield or some shit, do not want

>>2799718
>They have everything
except e-scooter recharge stations, which you're probably most familiar with
>and not snooty.
nah im snooty, go back city schlicker

>>2799718
Arkansas. Everything out west is overrated since the empty parts are all baren desolate shitholes.

>>2800063
>empty parts are all baren desolate shitholes
this again. its almost like you've never been

I grew up in New England and moved out west for a few months and found that my fears were basically correct. The open spaces made me feel very exposed and uncomfortable and like I had to get much further away from civilization to do any outdoor activities, which basically negated the value of lower population density that people like to highlight here. The relative absence of forests and trees, especially hardwoods, and other natural resources, as well as fire bans meant that bushcraft and survival skills training just couldn't be what it was in east and really took the fun out of the outdoors. I like to use my hands and play with tools, if there's no material to build and craft with then there's just not much to do. On top of that I found public land access was incredibly bad, with parking spots and parkable roads being few and far between. I also found that wildlife wasn't any more abundant than in the east, actually less so if anything. I really didn't like it and moved back to New England as soon as I could. I love the eastern forests and I'm never leaving again.

>>2800570
where did you go? The "west" is a big place. Impossible to generalize. Where I live the towns are small and I am "away from civilzation" in a matter of minutes.

>>2800573
The Aspen area of Colorado primarily, but I drove all over the place.

In New England you walk 50 yards from any road and you've effectively left civilization. It's a different universe.

>>2800575
>It's a different universe.
nothing what you described has been my experience at all so your universe truly is different.

>>2800599
In New Hampshire or Vermont you can walk 1/4 mile into any random woods and go shooting or make fires or build primitive camps and nobody will ever know or care. You can do anything you want wherever you want whenever you want because trees don't talk. I definitely didn't get that vibe in Colorado. Over there there were tons of private property signs everywhere and everyone can see you from the road easily unless you're ridiculously far. I've never felt more uncomfortable in my life and I actually gained over ten pounds just from not being able to do outdoor stuff when I was living there.

>>2800617
I find it hard to believe they just don't have no trespassing signs out that way, but hey what do I know.

>>2800617
Bait

Stop posting

>>2800648
No, I don't think I will.

Good thread. Im thinking of moving to Western Virginia. The property seem affordable and its 99% white. My only real concerns are the ticks and mosquitos? More specifically do you catch literal aids when you step foot in the woods? Also is it all private property so essentially everything is gated? Also I read some parts can have oceanic climate which seems nice in a few counties, id prefer somewhere to have my sheep and cattle graze and amish neighbors are a plus. How are the rivers are they nice in the summer? Will i have lyme disease just from enjoying the outdoors? Should i visit in the spring? Lots of questions.

>>2800667
Western VA, NOT WV, WV seems shitty ngl

>>2800667
clean rivers and grazing animals are mutually exclusive goals

>>2800671
Based fuck ranchers

>>2800645
In Northern New England you generally don't see posted signs except right around people's yards. Driving out to undeveloped woods and seeing signs saying you can't go out there is very rare here. By contrast, in Colorado it seemed like all land that wasn't 90 degree cliff faces where a human creature could actually perform any activity was all private hunting preserves with no crisp and well maintained no trespassing signs aggressively placed everywhere even when there were no houses in sight for miles. It pissed me off so much I started fantasizing about starting a fire.

>>2800719
Everyone told you to fuck off last time you pathetic fag

>>2800723
Don't care. I've traveled enough to have the experience to actually know what I'm talking about.

>>2800719
this is the guy who wouldnt drive up a forest service road cuz his car sucked then complained he couldnt access public land LOL

>>2800734
>know what I'm talking about
no. you really dont.

>>2800734
Absolute loser

>>2799718
>objectively
What metrics?

>>2800739
I'm the guy who posted detailed proof with photos that that region has terrible public land access.

>>2800739
I have since moved back to New England and now I can go out in the woods and do anything I want every single day after work even if I only have 90 minutes of daylight left. Colorado was the shittiest place I've ever lived and now it seems like it was just a nightmare. Trapped in my car, looking for something that doesn't exist, wide open spaces with everyone on the interstate staring at me, private land signs as far as the eye can see, impassable walls of rock turning the world into something like a linear videogame. It really seems like it couldn't have even been real. I've lived in a lot of different places and am accustomed to disappointment and unpleasant surprises, but Colorado was basically a portal to Hell. I'm still not back down to the weight I was before I moved there and got stuck driving all the time. I think it took time off my life.

>>2800856
>>2800848
You are a gay fag that cannot walk up a hill, realize this, every outdoor enthusiast in the entire united states does not have your problem. You are in last place. You are less than ALL OF THEM. A little bitch afraid of real nature.

>>2800866
I've already addressed this line of reasoning by asking why I only had this problem in one area after years of hiking all over the country.

>>2800949
You are an invalid unfit for life, I repeat, not a single person has your problem. It's just you, out of hundreds of millions.

You can't address that. You're here to troll. I hope your mother gets cancer.

>>2800981
Because they're not familiar with the area or don't go outside. Probably both. I have literally thousands of public forests, trails, free camp sites, etc marked in my GPS and map apps all over the country. Then I move to Colorado and boom, I'm suddenly and inexplicably trapped in my car. It has nothing to do with me or I would have had the same problem in the 20 or so other states I've lived and traveled in. I have more experience remote bushwhacking and primitive camping than everyone you've ever met combined.

>>2801008
Trees are literally everything.

>>2801042
You have already admitted you are afraid to use four wheel drive. You do not go outside at all. If you cannot drive and park directly at a curated camp site surrounded by 20 year old little pathetic baby trees you get uncomfortable. You are pathetic. It is specifically just a "you" problem, it is not a problem for anybody else, out of many millions of people. Just you. You do not go outside at all. You have never been to the wilderness. You are a pathetic joke that belongs on /trv/ or /o/ you have absolutely no business on /out/ at all.

>>2801074
Every automobile I have ever owned has had four or all wheel drive. I shared pictures showing how it was physically impossible to park off the side of most roads in the area. That combined with the abscence of trailheads means that these public land parcels are effectively inaccessible unless you have someone drop you off or walk 50 miles.

>>2801102
Bitchmade. Stop posting. Nobody likes you.

>>2801103
You're one of the people from that thread who speaks without saying anything.

>>2801106
You are a tourist, not an outdoorsman

Might as well be a chinese person at yellowstone, you fucking loser

Even they are probably more /out/ than you are

>>2801110
I've killed deer with bows and arrows I've made myself and dressed them with stone knives. Your metric for "outdoorsman" is probably more like just going to the top of a mountain for no reason in orange nylon carrying freeze dried food.

>>2801114
>80lb whitetail that was in his backyard

You are too fat to walk up a hill and you have never used your four wheel drive

>>2801117
You should go to the Aspen area and see for yourself. Might at least get some cocaine for your troubles.

>>2801204
Inferior