Not meant to have a fake green environment in a desert*

FTFY

I love camping in the desert . mexican desert in the winter and high rocky mountain desert in the summer.
What I hate is humidity

>>2799018
There's no such thing as climate stasis, Anon.

>>2799018
The desert filters nu-/out/.

>>2799018
>Poor forest management due to government corruption and mishandling
>intentional mishandling of forest management in order to increase frequency of fires in order to promote climate agenda
>PG&E making record profits because they're not managing their lines
>Water mismanagement because of aforementioned government and activist activity

These massive fires are avoidable

It's not a desert. Fire also happens in places that arent deserts.

>>2799036
>Water mismanagement because of aforementioned government and activist activity
We need to save the invasive bait fish you stupid fucking chud

>>2799036
>he actually believes this narrative
>sweep the forests

also this thread is pure bullshit /pol/bait. I can't even post one reference to fisting without getting band and yet this persists.

>>2799036
millions of people shouldn't be settling in areas with that little precipitation annually
human life is water intensive

they voted for it

>>2799047
nobody voted for anything they shouldn't allow housing of that density in areas with nothing but tinder
you just shouldn't have a major city there it's not the right place, it's reckless

>>2799018
Oldest known homo sapiens was from Morocco

>>2799054
rocko

>>2799044
nta but in Straya we do large numbers of controlled burns every year to burn in fire breaks and reduce ground litter in areas of forest that are critical failure points for outer suburbs/rural communities. I don't know what the fuck the "sweep the forests" meme means but proactive fire management (including cutting fire breaks and controlled burn offs) are basic things for trying to put civilisation next to the tinderboxes that are dry forests. You can generally tell when councils and state governments have gotten lazy on controlled burns because you start getting big fires in winter, funnily enough that seems to be what has happened here.

>>2799062
they do hazard burns >8 months a year in southern california, especially in and around LA

>>2799064
They might do hazard burns (I presume that is your term for a controlled burn) but do they do enough? Do they have appropriate fire breaks? That is a big one, a lot of the fatality bushfires here are because people don't maintain fire breaks on their own property, fire front comes in fast (we can have several hundred meter ember fronts so don't just depend on the road or something) and suddenly an entire hamlet is going up.
All I've ever heard from mates in California is that their government looks for every excuse to do less burns, that cutback is restricted because of environmental concerns and so on. This shit is speaking my language because we have this stuff here too and it is the bane of every volunteer or career firefighter and every member of the community that does their bit.

>>2799018
how about you stop electing corrupt trannies?

>>2799065
In my opinion Cali could do millions of acres of rx burns a year and wildfires like those going on now would still occur. The dry east wind events that Southern California gets almost every year could drive a fire through a neighborhood that has absolutely no vegetation. It happened to a town in southern Oregon in 2020. The fire literally burned through grazed pastures, riparian draws and then into a suburb and continued on into commercial districts and residential areas. Wind events are always the driving factor for destructive fires.

>>2799033
That's Las Vegas* not Phoenix

>>2799054
Morocco wasn't a dessert then.

>>2799036
I do think management could be beneficial in mitigating these fires but fuck you are living in a dry-ass, windy, scrub land with a ton of conifers and topographical features. Of course you are going to have bad fires.

We have hurricanes it can't be avoided. Fires are sort of just part of life for the west when you look at the landscape. Some places are set up to burn frequently with cool manageable fires like the SE. I mean they burn millions of acres there every year on purpose and basically never worry about wild fires. It's humid and is a patchwork of uplands and mixed hardwood lowlands so it is basically impossible for a really bad wild fire to start. I feel like no matter how much forest management you do in the west you are still going to have hellish wildfires.

I burn every two years in some spots and I've seen them go in 30mph winds with no problem. Every year in the spring and late fall if I drive home at night it looks like you're driving through a wildfire from the burns but I have never in my life seen one turn into a wildfire. Hell there are some places here I wish I could burn that won't burn.

>>2799082
Sounds exactly like Western Australia. We have bad fires every year, every decade or so a town gets wiped off the map. This isn't coming from a "well if they just do X it won't be a problem" perspective, it is coming from a "why the fuck is there so much uncleared scrub in a eucalypt forest right next to a major population center?" perspective.
I had family who came from Yarloop, which was almost entirely wiped out by a bushfire in 2016. I know that freak events happen. What I also know is that every image I've seen of the hills around LA (pretty much up to the edge of the sprawl) is that minimal measures are carried out in bushfire preparedness. I've seen quite a few in the rest of SoCal, but the area around LA seems to be neglectful in this aspect and that freaks me out because it is such a large population center.

>>2799089
>>2799097
ChatGPT ahh response

>>2799097
The only thing I could see backing this problem off would be like a giant quarter mile wide break around these neighborhoods and stuff kek.

People in dry scrubby windy places are ultimately going to have to learn to either live with the fires (get burnt out every so often) or take some extreme measure to keep the inevitable fires from reaching g their neighborhoods.

>>2799100
Probably, here it is generally accepted that if you live in the scarp or southwest forests you take responsibility, while if you live in the suburbs you accept that you have to drive out to "untamed land" and the natural bushland in the metro area is maintained by local councils to minimise chance of fire getting too out of hand. We have suburban bushfires a couple of times a year, and they are generally manageable by authorities.
Mind you I'm now seeing reports on how the hydrants in LA were empty and shit like that, so it seems like they have more systemic failures than just not cutting back bush.
>>2799099
>>2799089 might be GPT but >>2799097 is just me and my tism.

>>2799018
Coastal SoCal is not a desert. try again

>>2799036
>Poor forest management
This wasnt a "forest" fire...these are urban fires. These fires have nothing to with forest management.
>intentional mishandling of forest management
lol. even more retarded but see above
>PG&E making record profits
lol. PG&E doesnt operate in SoCal but nice try

These fires are a direct result of 3 very wet winters (2nd wettest 2yrs on record) followed by record dryness this season (only .14inches of rain in LA since May) combined with an extreme wind event...no forest management would change these factors

>>2799030
This is what I was just telling someone. Global warming is a hoax created so that we may be dominated.

>>2799139
>Global warming is a hoax
so the planet isnt getting warmer?

climate change aint making it easier that's for sure. but humans will make do once they settle down wherever. survive, not thrive, but regardless.

>>2799030
>>2799139
>>2799145
the planet is getting COLDER

>>2799151
No see they changed from global warming to "climate change" already you are behind the times.

See- why would you call the thing something that can be wrong... when you could just call it a thing that is a metaphysical certainty kek. No matter what happens the climate will change.

>>2799110
>its only semi arid
its pretty close

>>2799210
>forest management
>desert
pick one

>>2799213
socal "forest" is like a neo-vagina

>>2799018
>Chaparral = desert
bruv

>>2799217
close enough
very dry climate

>>2799213
See I feel like the only thing they could do is put a gigantic break around these developed areas. But they don't want to do that I guess because it woukd be ugly and it would probably violate their eco principles or something.

The funny thing is I was riding to town this morning and literally miles and miles of woods burning up to the road. Big piles of tops burning on either side of the road all the up into the city limits lol. Just a normal day. Honestly I love the smell of it. At night it looks awesome too.

>>2799291
there are fire breaks all thru the hills above LA. They just dont do much when fires are spotting 1/2 mile out in 80mph winds

>>2799113
It's called the Wildland Urban Interface. This is a wildfire that spread into developed areas. There are plenty of cameras showing it burning across hills covered in Chapparal scrub brush

>>2799314
>it's called the Wildland Urban Interface
>derp
no shit. The first fire- palisades- started in open space directly above a nieghborhood and immediately blew downslope into the hood where it proceeded to burn downhill all the way thru town to the ocean. thats an urban fire. Once the winds subsided a bit the fires moved in multiple direction including back up into the open space. Same with the eaton fire. When it first started the winds blew it downslope right thru the town of altedena. Its now mostly in open space. Now you have fuckers with blow torches roaming the fire roads setting off fires. But the majority of the fire fighting is being done in and around (sub)urban spaces.

>>2799310
I would imagine with these winds and topography it would take like a quarter mile wide break.

>>2799030
There is no such thing as meant

>>2799018
Did you know non-deserts catch fire too?

>>2799099
You've never used ChatGPT if you think that. Fucking paranoid moron.

>>2799341
Don't respond to trolls.

>>2799337
Bullshit

>>2799214
you would know.

How come this has never happened in LA's history before? On this scale?

>>2799380
Not quite on this scale certainly in terms of property destruction but fires in LA county are not uncommon

https://www.wildfirela.org/history/

>>2799018
inshallah american devils had it coming

>>2799420
they need to abandon la and phoenix and san diego its just not sustainable to live there

>>2799076
kek

>>2799440
They need to abandon most of socal tbdesu

>>2799440
Refugees welcome where you live, I assume?

>>2799018
Humans don't live in desert climates.

>>2799605
Humans should not live in semi arid climates that do not have enough fresh water locally to supply everyone.

>>2799380
To a lot of a degree it's just a really unlucky series of natural events - a few really wet years causing a lot of plant growth followed by a super dry one and then these unusually strong winds. I also think some of it might be down to homeowners too though, even the upper middle/lower upper class people who can just barely afford to live places like Pacific Palisades and Altadena are feeling really squeezed with how crazy the cost of living in LA has gotten and I'd bet it's resulted in a lot of corners cut on property maintenance - my parents just recently sold their Hollywood Hills house, which was only like 1/2 mile from the Sunset fire (upwind and across the freeway though) and they were certainly in that situation.

>>2799520
Hell, other states taking back their own natives would go a long way, being overrun with transplants who moved to CA just because they don't like the politics where they came from or because they got memed into thinking they could make a career in entertainment is one of CA's biggest problems and the source of a ton of the political fuckery, and just kicking them out would reduce a ton of the pressure on LA's infrastructure and make it possible to pass legislation to deal with a lot of CA's other problems.

>>2799668
>Hell, other states taking back their own natives would go a long way
I'm not from the US but from what I've seen said online, the other states will welcome the idea so long as CA does the same.

imagine the smell

>>2799018
>>2799027
Thready reminder it was turned into a desert in modern times. They logged 600 to 1000 year old trees than paved over all of it. You don't get 600 to 1000 year old trees in a place this prone to mega fires--all modern mega fires are a result of human fuckery.

>>2799031
>nu-/out/ poster
I love that you complain about board quality but all of your posts are total garbage. You're the kind of person that's been carried all their life and when it's their turn to step up they cry about not being carried.

>>2799044
>Telling the truth is /pol/ narrative
you have a mental disorder

>>2799606
>>2799605

Ironically CA had plenty of water it's just managed by morons who ruined the water sheds, logged all the old growth and paved over all the wetlands.

>>2799869
Cringe.

>>2799871
Incorrect, chud. It's because of climate change and only climate change.

>>2799871
not really, they rely mostly on the colorado river which is nearly running dry and maxed out
could the la river and local reservoirs alone provide all of la's water needs?

>>2799018
>ban controlled burns
>all the burns are now uncontrolled
lol

>>2799868
redwoods survive forest fires thy are built for it dumbass

also redwoods do not grow south of los padres NF

>>2799928
Realistically, CalFire doesnt have the manpower for year-round brush clearing and controlled burns.

>>2799934
they do, just not literally everywhere, and at the minimum, at least every few years
but instead, they let it go out of control, because the govt. is corrupt

>>2799936
They don't. Ask me how I know.

>>2799937
Have you read the news?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/prescribed-burns-forest-service-19864450.php
>Oct 26, 2024
>The U.S. Forest Service has halted all prescribed burning on federal lands across California “for the foreseeable future” while critically dry weather heightens the risk of a big wildfire, especially in the southern portion of the state.
>The directive, issued Tuesday by deputy regional forester Kara Chadwick, said the agency’s firefighters were stretched thin due to wildfires burning in other parts of the country. She said the massive federal agency doesn’t have enough personnel to respond if a prescribed fire escaped containment lines.

>>2799940
That had zero to do with the recent fires.

>>2799928
>ban controlled burns
not a factual comment. You are either lying or ignorant- which is it?

>>2799018
It's not desert, it's chaparral; deserts don't burn. That being said humans absolutely can live there just not in ridiculous numbers and sprawling across the entire landscape. If Californians confined themselves to the lowland valley of LA this would be a non-issue. The hills would burn and the biggest problem would be air quality in the valley.

>>2799944
>That had zero to do with the recent fires.
>Refusal to do prescribed burning to save federal resources had zero to do with the fires
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/13/palisades-california-wildfires-fireworks
>The new year’s fire and the Palisades fire appear to have started in a brushy area of the Pacific Palisades, in Topanga state park.

>>2800038
>federal agency has stopped doing rx burns
>fire started on state land
Point still stands.

>>2800018
The fire started on state land.
Also, important to note that California is notoriously hard to get a permit to burn due to emission concerns.

>>2800040
>>2800041
and continued out of state land
guess what would have happened if it had buffer zones like theres suppose to be?
even the fucking injuns knew what to do, but you stupid mother fuckers haven't advanced past the stone age, apparently

>>2800050
>guess what would have happened if it had buffer zones like theres suppose to be?
Nothing different than what did happen given the 80mph winds. Also there are fire breaks all thru the hills above LA. They just dont do shit in those extreme conditions.

>>2799932
>Redwood survive fires
Unless you cut them all down, which is why I said: they cut them all down. Most of the west coast was ancient forest and was obliterated by the early 1900s.

>They don't live south of los padres National Forest
Because they cut them all down and paved over the remanence.

I can't tell if you're supremely dishonest, very retarded or both.

>>2799924
>Not really
yes, really
>Could the LA river and local Reservoirs alone provide all of LA's water.
I said it "had" plenty of water. You'd have to restore the wetlands and forests and Californians are retarded. Managed forests are cancer. You need old growth to bring in rain. Forests are regionalized weather buffers... also, the wetlands feed the aquifers and the water sheds feed the wetlands AND aquifers.

Idiot Californians paved over all that and most surface water runoff goes straight into the ocean.

>>2800053
>They just dont do shit in those extreme conditions.
at the minimum, it gives a longer window for response time, can't burn what isn't there
we quite literally see this in action after the fires themselves, once shits been burnt, theres an obvious refractory period
and in between multiple other fires, they can't spread where its been burnt already
ask anyone who deals with controlled burns, they'll tell you the same

i was literally friends with a guy who did controlled burns in LA during the 60-70's from the national guard, every fire he'd talk about how easily it could have been stopped by pointing it out on maps & even talking to the current guys who were pissed they weren't allowed to do anything

>>2800040
They lie about this constantly but managed forests being cyclically logged significantly increase forest fires. Before they logged all the trees (late 1800s) stands of 600 to 1000 year old trees were common--you don't get trees that big if mega fires are "normal."

>>2800061
I understand the use and effectiveness of controlled burns but in this case with the fires (eaton and palisades) starting immediately adjacent to nieghborhoods and the winds blowing east>west I just dont see it being a factor in the severity of the fire given the extreme conditions. Hard to do a controlled burn in the middle of a suburb. but hindsight is everything.

>>2800071
>Hard to do a controlled burn in the middle of a suburb.
i can think of a way

>>2800040
No.. no, anon.
There are three tiers to this problem.
The US forest service is the agency responsible for cleaning up forest debris on state land.
Next down the ladder is the state itself, which is responsible for enacting policies and regulations which either make this easier or harder to do.
The final ladder in the rung are private citizens and NGOs. But they need permission from the state to help clean up forest debris.

>>2800085
>bro, its the winds, bro, trust me. if it wasn't for the wind, it would be great, bro. we just have to not have wind, man!
are you autistic

>>2800125
Brown hands typed this btw.

>>2799018
I don't see people in Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada having these issues.

>>2800129
yes, your post was typed by brown hands, but why did you quote that anon to tell them that?

>>2800133
Arizona is on fire all the time. It's just not rich and famous people losing homes so no one cares.

>>2800144
NC is still turbofucked from Helene and nobody gives a shit. People are sleeping out in tents in the middle of winter.
>tfw watching shills try to cover-up the fact that FEMA stole supplies from private donation stockpiles
>tfw nobody cares because it's Appalachia

>>2799054
does he know?

>>2800158
Isn't Appalachia's motto that they don't want help from the federal government?

>>2800883
thats what the feds tell everyone so they can let it rot

>>2800886
Whenever I walk or drive through I imagine in my head that my eyes have like a virtual reality "time travel" mode that I can see the area what it was like when everything was at its peak and the shitty overgrown hiking trail I'm sliding down on my butt was actually a working railroad with tiny trains carrying piles of logs and the towns were covered in wooden dwellings on any flat land available.

I guess the problem is the original plan was only ever to take the logs and coal and when those were gone, nobody there or outside of there really and truly wanted to do anything else with the land, perhaps out of this cursed recollection that they fear if would be a pale shadow of its boom days.

>>2800883
I don't know. All I know is that the entire situation was a bigger scandal than Katrina and the LA fires put together.
>DHS directs FEMA to spend one billion dollars on housing migrants, none left for hurricane relief
>NGOs and charities gather, distribute supplies and help conduct rescue missions
>FEMA arrives, tries to commandeer rescue efforts, steals stockpiles of food, medicine etc at churches
>the FAA is now trying to coordinate air rescue efforts with the national guard, starts regulating airspace, Tennessee NG gets caught rotor washing charity drop depots and destroying everything
>FEMA offers $770 relief check through online application (nobody in the region has internet)
>government exercises eminent domain and begins seizing private property to build new roads through the region
>cadaver dogs start dropping dead after drinking river water, some people are reporting that their clothes became radioactive during cleanup
>locals are now living in tents in the middle of winter