>>2794352
The good ones come with a patch kit in the stow bag. I also carry tenacious tape which fixes almost everything long enough to make it through the trip--even a sleeping pad.

>>2794354
That does not fix a broken valve. How do you locate the hole without water if it is not obviously large?

>>2794357
If your valve is broken you're fucked and maybe you'll be able to fix it with a glue gun but not on the trail. You can if this if that all day but I've never seen a slow leak of any size on an air mattress that you couldn't find with your ears. Try it yourself: punch a hole in your air mattress and try to find it with your ears allone--it's not actually that hard.

Even leaks on tires are usually not hard to find with your ears. The leaks that are hard to find are on radiators because they're exponentially more complicated than an inflated cubeoid.

Tenacious tape solves most of your problems on the trail and like I said, most of the high end ones come with patch kits. Holes aren't hard to find most of the time.

>>2794352
4th from the bottom looks like the bare minimum to get something approaching a restful sleep on the ground.

>>2794352
Every single inflatable pad I've ever owned or used has failed on me at some point out on a trip. Except for one of those ancient heavy self inflating ones. A couple have lasted me a long while but never more than a year (averaging 15-20 nights of use a month between work and play) Maybe not "catastrophic" failure, but varying levels, some fully deflating in an hour of use, a few hours, or over the course of the night. Despite what >>2794360 says I've only once been able to identify the leak by ear to stop it. Mostly I just accept I'm gonna have worse sleep for the rest of the trip and keep on. But i usually use a ccf unless it's very cold now.

>>2794352
Foam pad master race

>>2794370
>I've only ever been able to find the leak once
>All of my pads fail
I've had an inflatable thermarest for 20+ years and it's never failed and still holds air. I now use the shit out of my now 5 year old nemo and it still holds air as well. What kind of chink garbage were you buying?

I don't think the problem is your mattresses I think the problem is you're retarded.

>>2794352
>Have you ever had a catastrophic failure with your inflatable sleeping pad when out?
No, I have not.

>>2794352
>Have you ever had a catastrophic failure with your inflatable sleeping pad when out?
yes
>What did you do?
buried it under willow tree. thermarest in peace

>>2794352
Then one I have tends to get slow leaks after like a year or two of use. When that happens I just email the company and they send me a new one for free. I am on my third pad.

>>2794352
Pussy pads is what I call em

>>2794352
I owned a sea-to-summit etherlight that got perforation at almost every dotted seam after 60 nights of use or so. They are designed to fail that way after 50-100 nights.
Had to sleep on the ground for 2 more weeks to finish the trip.

At least the thermarest ones are only designed to delaminate on the inside so you end up with a big hump, and don't deflate. No modern sleeping pad lasts for more than 100 nights. The way you deal with this is to use the pad often enough to claim warranty every 2 years. Pretty much all the long distance hikers I met do it this way.

>>2794361
depends on your fitness level.
if you have strong glutes, hips, and core and no spinal fascial adhesions or stiffness you can sleep on your back on almost anything.
I even slept on wood benches this year and got 5-6 hours of sleep.

>>2794354
my first one was a cheap naturehike, not very good but it worked for me and for what i used it for. after a few times i started biouvacking with it and the first time i did it on top of a mountain it got 2 or 3 holes, i spent one of my most miserable nights but still was a great experience, didnt' even feel tired next morning

since then i always use foam. recently i also bought a new better inflatable one (same brand) that i plan to use on top of the foam this winter. and i hope it compensates for my shitty 0ºC comfort rated sleeping bag

>>2794352
Yes it was a massacre. 3 people died and we had to be rescued by helicopter.

>>2794383
I am retarded, but i also use sleeping pads an average of 20 nights a month for work or for play so I do use them much more than the average person. I think you can get away with the same pad for many years if you dont use it very much

Picrel because I live innadesert where everything has spines. I also always have an emergency Nalgene in case my water bladder gets punctured.

>>2794398
>camping is supposed to be uncomfortable
lol
LMAO!

>>2794460
Yes because before 60 years ago nobody ever found repose and relaxation while camping because they didn't bring a pussy pad because it wasn't invented yet

Lol
Lmoa even

>>2794352
You've gotta get one of those cot tents that folds up like a knapsack. No air bullshit, they're comfy as can be, and lightweight.

>>2794352
Yes, there was a leak around the valve because it was the first time it had been taken out of storage in a while.
>What did you do?
It was summer, so I just slept on the deflated mat for a few days.
Since then I don't really trust inflatable mats and just have a supplemental one for my foam mat, since no sleeping mat would not be acceptable on a longer winter trip.

>>2794468
They would have brought one if they’d existed. Please stop being retarded.

>>2794500
>lightweight
doubt

>>2794352
With my last pad I discovered that there were two large lacerations on the bottom, no idea how they got there. I couldn't patch them with what I had on hand so I just slept on the uninflated pad.
It was perfectly fine, about as uncomfortabe as you'd expect. I also concluded that "Losing heat" to the ground is a meme, at least in summer when this occured.

>>2794373
This. I always bring a foam mat, thickness depending on the season. It's a great backup if the inflatable fails, it also works as protection/groundsheet.

>>2794389

;_;7

Buy a large cot, they don't make you sweat, and they're super comfy. They make cushioned cots now that fold up into a small roll.

>>2794455
man I have these but they are ancient and do literally nothing

>>2794678
I'm tryna backpack here, bro

>>2794713
Can someone school me on CCF pads? I’ve camped exclusively in a hammock since 2005, and used inflatables since the 90’s. Are CCF pads really that bad?

>>2794808
CCF is good but I usually prefer inflatable because I can get a flatter surface on uneven ground. Really good winter pads like the thermarest x-therm reflect so much warmth that you can get away with a lighter sleeping bag and you even feel warm when everything is wet.
The reason CCF gets so much hate is because normal people can no longer sleep on their back because of too much sitting, stiffness, weak glutes and core, and bad posture and hip issues, and a general aversion to athleticism.
CCF is always quicker to set up, more convenient, more reliable and rugged. When I go for a short weekend hike in the summer I almost always take a 300g folding pad.

>catastrophic failure
unless you're using it to paddle across tje strait of gibraltar i struggle to see the catastrophie here.

>>2794398
>>2794814
Same energy (mega gay)

Sleep pads are gay, they are a complete gimmick, a total thneed, whenever I see someone with one I know that person is outside for the first time, all the real people just put a tarp down and a thin wool blanket or truckstop blanket on the tarp, this works in freezing temps, goat heads, and thorny vines and wet ground, it's the superior way, imagine thinking some plastic neon inflatable pad is the opposite of gay

>>2794844
You're the one whos afraid if the ground.

>>2794352

Yeah had a valve fail on me over summer just as the sun set. Lucky it was summer (uk) so I didn't get too cold but the ground was lumpy af and very uncomfortable. I'd say I got maybe 2 hours of broken sleep that night then hiked back to my car in the morning. It was more of an annoyance than a dangerous situation. It was only a 4 mile hike back to the car.

I bought an exped ultra 5r wide when I got home that day, which has been a huge improvement over the multimat superlite that failed on me.

i had a slow leak. i used duct tape and a lighter to fix it.
get the duct tape nice and hot, and then press it in. held fine for years

>>2794412
I'm really fit. I do trail running, Olympic lifting and power lifting at the gym. Back sleeping is unfun and you actually have to train yourself to do it. For people who might lead active lives but only stay overnight innawood a couple times a year, "just sleep on your back bro" is not good advice and will just lead to shitty sleep.

>>2794859
Epic suess reference, dawg

>>2795436
Back sleep is the best sleep. It makes you younger. Like meditation.
You're not as fit as you think. People who can't sleep on their back always have something wrong with their posture and athleticism.

I tried the red one in the middle. It was ok for a while. Not that comfortable because they slide around kinda easy. I would get the bigger one if I could

>>2795436
>>2795694
>powerlifter
he's fat.

>>2794352
Amateurs, you guys seriously need this to sleep outdoors?

>>2795436
Have a chiropractor adjust you. you will sleep like a baby.

>>2795694
I took a pool floater camping, as a sleeping surface. Would have worked out just fine but it was too old, and burst. I slept for a few nights with just a camping pillow but luckily the grass under the tent was relatively thick, so I was not massivelt bothered. I remember being a bit stiff after the second night.

But I regret buying my camping mat. I went for the 12cm thick self-inflating option, but it's just too thick and soft. I wake up all wracked up because my spine has not relaxed against a firmer surface, and my legs feel bad. I needed a thinner one with a firmer feeling for sure.

>>2795694
>Back sleep is the best sleep. It makes you younger.
Retard tabloids are not reputable scientific sources, Shenquieshuh

>>2796566
Pseudoscience-medicine at best, long term joint damage at worst.
Chiropractors are scammers.
If you need to solve join pain or issues with mobility, you do exercise and stretches.

>>2796561
need is a strong word, but it is probably the most effective way to insulate yourself from the ground, especially when you consider weight and packability

>>2794352
No, but I also bring either a thin or semi-thick foam pad in case of failure/extra comfort.
>b-but whats the point of the inflatable then?
Extra comfort and supplementing the foam pad so I dont have to bring an overly large one

>>2796802
>having a doctor ensure your tendons, ligaments, and bones are functioning properly is a scam
Yes
>force your joints through the injury and cripple yourself like a man
No

>>2794352
YES
got cold and didn't sleep properly.
so my sleeping pad finally gives out, it's a fully inflatable one, not the ones with some foam in.
i am basically just sleeping on the hard ground. i blow it up again to look for the leak in the middle of the night, because i have some puncture repair tape. think:
>i'll never find the leak it will be a tiny pinhole
>lick my lips and move the mat near them (this is the best way to find the leak, you feel the cold air against your wet lips)
>find leak almost immediately
i patch it up, think
>great! my problems are solved, but maybe i'll check for more leaks
... i found the leak so quickly because there were a hundred leaks. game over man, game. over.

>>2794373
this.
best purchase i ever made was a piece of foam from an upholstry shop for £11.
i spent over £75 on different inflatable mats, all of which punctured within 3 uses.
i now just carry a roll of foam on the outside of my pack in a plastic bag. i don't even notice the difference in weight/size.

>>2794808
i don't know what you mean by ccf but i have good luck with an old army roll mat and that piece of foam i was talkign about >>2797665
i have 1 inch thick piece of foam but i'd get thicker if i was buying again.

Those who sleep on your side

How do you make your sleeping pad comfortable

>>2797672
double up with an accordion foam mat and an inflatable mat

well it goes flat sometimes but I'm not fat so it's no big deal. that's only really a problem during cold weather camping, in which case just put more stuff between you and the heat vampire ground

>>2797672
a pillow lmao

roll up some clean clothes if you need a bigger pillow

>>2794352
>Have you ever had a catastrophic failure with your inflatable sleeping pad when out?
Nope, never been /out/ so fortunately I dodged that bullet.

>>2794361
I only use a pad when I need to get off the ground due to soil temperature. In the heat of the summer, the ground is comfortable enough.

>>2797672
i curl a bit like in fetal position although not so much. this is to avoid rolling over because i can't spread my legs as much as i do in a bed. also obviously lift your head as much as you need, i roll my pants and sometimes add a light jacket as pillow

you need to be a bit careful when moving around because it's easy to dismantle the pillow. i usually switch facing left to right and viceversa several times during the night and sometimes i need to adjust the pillow but it's never too bad

I usually clean the thornes before going on the ground. Nobody is doing that, even at night?

>>2794352
hammocks don’t deflate

hammocks are really good if you like a heavier, less comfortable, colder, less convenient way to sleep

>>2794352
No but that's because I've never been able to justify spending money on something like that.