>>125218018
The whole forced nu-metal revival is not a sign that people yearn for nu-metal but a sign that people want a more musically diverse popular culture similar to the variety of genres you heard in the mainstream in the 90s/2000s.

>>125218018
i unironically think clams casino was one of the most important and influential figures in music post 2000 and gets almost 0 credit

Teenage Fanclub are a shoegaze band. They're more shoegaze than ride

>>125218018
Bad music is actually bad

>>125218030
Popular culture just barely exists anymore, we are looking at the dying embers of mass culture and I for one, welcome it. Only the real empty vessels are still watching celebrity stuff or listening to mainstream pop music.

>>125218037
elaborate

>>125218018
I Kanye had put all the good songs from his vulture albums into one album it would have been good. Fantano would still piss his pants and give it a 2-3 but that's because he lacks animal protein.

>>125218018
olivia dean is the best pop artist right now

>>125218018
people who care too much about what other people think about their music tastes have the shittiest taste in music.
>t. video game osts

>>125218516
This is also why a lot of people turn into poptimists in their 30s and 40s. They get unsecured over being called old and hating everything new so they start pretending to like pop music.

>>125218528
This has nothing to do with it. It's just the male equivalent of baby fever. Your stronger yearning to fertilize increases your appreciation for the female form.

>>125218528
Poptimism is a very recent phenomenon anon, not something that existed long a go. So it's not something that people were becoming in the past
Backstreet boy ad britney spears albums back in the day, weren't taken serious by many critics and music outlets, this whole thing only started with Lady Gaga in 2008 and 09. And now even someone as bland and generic as Sabrina Carpenter is somehow being taken seriously, and not just pop slop

>>125218018
Punk is no longer punk. Every “punk” band is just conformist to the majority so they can continue to sell (read: sellouts) and will make political statements to accomplish this. Punk is just an avenue to validate liberals feelings. Which isn’t to make this a conservative vs liberal debate, but the point is punk isn’t about rebelling or going against the grain anymore, it’s become an almost reddit tier echo chamber where everyone claims if you don’t 100% align with their views then you are not punk. Which is a very UN-punk thing and way to act.
The most punk thing today would be to unapologetically no fucks given be a scalding conservative, ironically. Because that’s polar opposite to that echo chamber. Punk shouldn’t even be political which is all the more ironic, it should be apolitical yet it’s become extreme left leaning. Hence the irony I shared three sentences ago.


I would genuinely like true discourse here but I’m doubtful anyone who disagrees with this is capable of arguing against what I’ve said without just inadvertently proving me right. I was very careful with the words I chose, every one servers a purpose in structuring my argument.

>>125218620
Real punks no longer call themselves punk and haven’t for decades.

>>125218018
talking about music is boring. it's like pokemon for adults

music reviews are useless.

>>125218620
Punk was political from the beginning

“God save the queen, the fascist regime”
“Kill kill kill kill kill the poor”

Always been working class, left leaning.

I definitely got into punk through MSI and always viewed it more as an outlet for antisocial feelings so I empathize with your viewpoint but your feelings don’t mirror the facts of reality

>>125218018
Acting like Fantano when you're a grown man should be grounds for investigation by the police.

Lets face it
this is radioheads greatest album

Ask him his opinion on what the best Oui and NSBM bands are.

Hi fans, it's the internet's busiest pedophile Childthony Molestano here. So do any of you have kids?

>>125220019
Ragebait used to be believable

>>125220197
im not trying to make anyone mad.
im saying it delicately, that radioheads best album is pablo honey

>>125219975
Something being political doesn't automatically make it left wing.

>>125218030
oooooor it's just the nostalgia industry moving to the next genre that everyone hated when it was relevant but retard zoomers think is cool

>>125220501
>everyone
Maybe if you're low-test. Nu-Metal bands were popular at the time and some still are, as the revival has proved.

Music peaked with 90s adult contemporary/alternative

>>125220597
it actualy peaked in late 60s, though

Siamese Dream and MC&IS are dull and over rated but Gish, Adore and Machina I&II are among the greatest rock albums ever made

No music outside of the classical canon is worth listening to attentively, as it tends to be so repetitive and monotonous that it has little musical substance to actually follow along to. All of /mu/core is background music at best. Those who sit and listen to an album attentively for 40 minutes as if they're listening to a work of art are embarassing.

/mu/ is fucking shit... oh wait, that's not a take, it's a fact

>>125220789
r/music won

>>125219975
anything is political if you view it through a political lens. Plenty of punk was just about being an antisocial shithead. Let's looks at "Anarchy Burger" by The Vandals
>America stands for freedom
>but if you think you're free
>try walking into a deli and urinating on the cheese
I understand lots of modern liberal punks can dissect that as anti-capitalistic, anti-fascist, etc., but it's really just about doing whatever the fuck you want regardless of imaginary lines. It's only political if you view it as such. the vast majority of punks don't give a fuck about anything, including themselves.

sometimes punk is just about pissing on cheese.

>>125218102
Everything Flows is a tad 'gazey, but other than that they just played power pop.

>>125218018
All radiohead albums sound like U2, and thom yorke is a bono clone.

>>125221008
if this is ragebeat, congratulations, you made me mad
U2 SUCKS, radiohead is GREAT
get that?

>>125221038
Its not fucking rage bait. Both suck, and thom yorke sounds likeva bono impersonator with his stupid tenor , operatic falsetto

>>125221050
based

>>125218018
Taylor Swift and Courtney Love get shit on too much. Swift makes decent, inoffensive pop music and Love gets hate on just because Kurt died. I can see the point people make when they say 'if Axl Rose or Slash did it, it'd be cool and badass but if Love does it she's a bitch and annoying', even though she's just as much of a mess as Axl Rose or Morrissey.

Blood Sugar Sex Magik is when RHCP sold out. They tried to keep the goofy party atmosphere from the 80s but they lost something big when Hillel died that they never got back.

>>125221163
Courtney Love is a blatant social climber with dubious talents, that's why.
Taylor Swift's music is such a non-entity that I can't even hate it. It's like being mad at my radiator.

>>125218018
Elliott Smith lyrics > Paul McCartney, John Lennon, and Kurt Cobain lyrics

>>125218620
OP asked for hot takes

>>125218018
Led Zeppelin sucks ass. Every song sounds the same and its always about some bitch breaking his heart after a fuck

>>125221983
everybody thinks this, though

>>125218528
You've got it all backwards. When you're young you're opinionated and cliquish and place more value on scenes and subcultures and more obscure/experimental music that provide social validation, but as you age you become more secure in your own preferences and put less stock in having "correct" opinions or liking the "cool" things. Or at least you should. Being a middle aged man and still trying to live up to the youthful hipster ideals you had in your teens and twenties is pretty pathetic.

>7 kpop threads with 300+ replies in the catalog
holy shit what happened to this place

The ideal song length is 10-12 minutes

Chrissie Hynde had the greatest voice in all of new wave. Breathtaking sometimes

UNder three minutes is the ideal song length, maybe even under 2

all rock critics are pick-me dorks with taste the same as most of the people here if you exclude the kpop morons. their careers are predicated solely on being able to write/make videos more entertainingly than the average poster. their only useful quality is keeping track of new releases.

>>125222046
Mental illness takes many forms

>>125222084
and yet you are one of them...

>>125221200
Not even a hot take. It's just true.

>>125218102
??? just plain wrong (on both counts!)

>>125218018
"The album" is an outdated form of consuming music and basing nearly all relevant critical attention on it is just a way for critics to dig their heels in and try to cling to any cultural relevancy they used to have.

>>125222256
as an album litsener I dont understand why is it outdated.

My Hot Take: I'm going to make a living making music someday.

>>125222036
Nope, pop slop enjoyers aren't really even fans of whatever music they claim to like. They are as conformist as they could possibly be, just clinging to whatever is pushed in front as "best new music" because they have no friends or real interests anymore.

>>125222094
GATO CACA

>>125221038
U2 is better than radio you dumb zoomie.
>Boy
>War
>The unforgettable fire
>The joshua tree
>Actung baby
>Zooropa
Cucks all especially ok computer and kid a.

>>125222256
Your lack of attention span isn't our fault you mouth breathing retard . Get of

>>125218018
Black Metal is garbage.

>>125224195
Ridiculously accurate, but I think most people that aren't manchildren agree.

>>125218018
I never made any decision to listen to a certain music after reading a review.
I really don't understand who needs these people
If I ever read anything by a music reviewer was more out of curiosity to see what would someone say
So I don't get why someone reviewing music have any degree of notoriety, it's a literal opinion haver

>>125218018
he never answers any of the tough questions

>>125223716
Both are the fucking same shit. The annoying thing is that radiohead love to point out which bands rip off U2, then they get angry when thom yorke gets compared to bono.

>>125224497
>>The annoying thing is that radiohead love to point out
I mean radiohead FANS.

>>125220935
>>125222215
their first two albums are every bit as shoegaze as they were powerpop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZIyHTUFuyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU9uc2ZqWRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw49UgKoZnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQfTMU55wHo
https://youtu.be/3gaxHqjX79w?si=0sfCfU96LCsaOEYL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRghjnjcf8Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ZereJNd0Q

>>125224526
I like these songs but if this is shoegaze, then so is Dino Jr.
Compare any of these to "Dreams Burn Down", which is as shoegaze as it gets.

>>125218018
I saw an interview clip of Henry Rollins shit talking U2, so my hot take is that U2 is better than Black Flag
>>125218030
I can see that but I agree more with >>125220501
>>125218516
>>125220597
True
>>125220019
Well it does contain their only good song
>>125221983
Wrong. You've only listened to 1 Led Zeppelin song or you need to grow ears
>>125222256
Wrongest opinion I've ever read on this site
If the album is so irrelevant, explain why Brat, Donda, Certified Lover Boy, F-1 Trillion, and so on were so i.portant to the mainstream in the last couple years, people were talking about the albums not just the songs. Not to mention Taylor Swifts albums (that her Worshippers actually buy)

white women ruined music

>>125222256
The purpose of the album is to force the artist to make enough different but the same music for me to be satisfied listening to. Without it they'd release maybe one song, probably with too many different ideas shoved in, and then go on "hiatus" until their patreon money runs out.

>>125218018
Beyonce's Lemonade is a mid album that got big by riding the feminism/BLM poptimist hype of the era

>>125223716
>omitting October
why?

>>125218018
Radiohead is dogshit

I'm just gonna go ahead and say that U2 is actually pretty good.

kek this got the melondrones seething
>>125224714
>>125222316
I think there's a lot of reasons why albums are outdated and shouldn't be the focus of critical attention, but I'm gonna boil it down to 3 main points for you.
1. Albums aren't really mainstream. They may get a lot of buzz on 4chan/twitter/reddit, but those places are just echochambers that give you a distorted view of reality (eg, a quick glance at /mu/ would give you the impression that The Beatles are still culturally relevant as ever). What people do listen to is playlists, which is intriguing when you think about how the music industry has changed in the past decade or so. Playlists are like buffets where people pick and choose what they prefer and it's a new way to consume music. So our criticism has to change.
2. Because of the above point, it is better to focus critically on the single (or rather, the individual song). Seeing albums as the highest bar for music often gets in the way of that because albums are judged as a whole, not as individual parts (often to their detriment). How many times have you heard that X is a great album, but the tone isn't consistent? That's stupid. Good songs are good songs, it doesn't matter if it fits the vibe or not.
3. It'd be better for artists to be evaluated purely on the merit of their songs anyways because it helps promote good music rather than memes. This point might be short, but I'm running out of characters.
Basically albums are a meme and they're a trap that midwits fall into.
>>125223723
Attention span isn't the problem. It's about what's worth paying attention to.
>>125225153
I don't think you're right on either count. Not having the album as the main structure for music consumption would probably be better for the creativity of artists as they could just release what they feel at any time rather than play mix and match to find the 10 that just seems to fit together, even if better songs are left off and not shown to the light of day.

>>125224526
i fucking hate zoomer retards like you.
first of all, bandwagonesque is their third album
second, just because a guitar is noisy doesn't mean that the music is shoegaze
just because you shoegaze retards are desperate for good music in your shitty scene doesnt mean you can just claim every band that ever played a guitar with effects on it
teenage fanclub played noise music and the they played pretty conventional power pop

also ride are fucking shoegaze legends and they're more innovative than 99% of shoegazers out there no matter what wave they come from

>>125226169
especially their first 3 albums. that was when they just made good rock before they started getting all touchy-feely

>>125222256
keep watching tik toks zoomer faggot

>>125218018
Ride gets to much shit from shoegaze nerds. British music was irredeemable dogshit from the 1990 to the 2010s.
Rock didn't get listenable until the 60s.
Genres tend to get better after dying(leaving the cultural zeitgeist)
Punk rock is 99.99% dogshit.
Producers should get more recognition than they do especially in hip hop.

most important musical figure of the 20th century was adolf hitler

>>125220019
Actually Kid A is the closest they get to being good. Kid A only got as much praise as it did because their fans weren't familiar with IDM so they mistakenly thought they were doing something impressive or unique.

>>125226602
What about In Rainbows

>>125221200
Wasn't Kurt Cobain just making shit up because he wasn't OK with making instrumentals for some reason?

>>125226615
I remember being extremely disappointed with it after seeing all the glaze it got on RYM. I then returned to it with more tempered expectations some time later. None of the songs stuck with me and I didn't bother to finish it. My main take away is that their song writing is 'unfulfilling' and 'goes nowhere.'

>>125218018


/mu/ doesn't actually care about sharing music, just shitting on music.

>>125226650
We share music. You just need to ask first

>>125218102

retarded

If you use RYM or Spotify, you're an enemy to anything genuine or healthy in music.

>>125226740
Instead of Spotify I use youtube with adbock. Anyways what's wrong with RYM? I just want to read what other people think.

>>125220844
You can't just cherrypick one band that was known for irreverence and forming the base for pop-punk as representative of the common outlook of most bands. The first punk bands were incredibly political in their anti-racism, their anti-state and police attitudes. Was it politically conscious leftism? In many cases no. But it was music of the working class and many of them supported communism or anarchism. This is the type of opinion someone has of punk rock if they base it entirely on what appeared on Tony Hawk soundtracks. It's not reality.

>>125226576
What is the 0.01% of punk that is good in your opinion?

>>125226876
I like Fugazi

>>125226169
They jumped the shark with Joshua Tree

Artists like John Lennon who sing about having no possessions or religion are NOT hypocrites because they're speaking strictly within the context of ideals, he's not saying you should feel bad for having posessions or a religion, he just wants you to imagine these things, it's literally in the name of the song. People are allowed to discuss ideals and idealism while acknowledging that this is not the world they live in. If John "practiced what he preached" then he would never even have made the song in the first place. He'd have no means or need to.

>>125221008
>>125221038
>>125223716
>>125224497
>>125224714
>>125226169
>>125226548
>>125226932
All this talk about U2 makes me want to eat some KFC

>>125218030
Today’s bullshit is tomorrow’s nostalgia. Nu Metal sucked then and sucks now, but the people who grew up with it are now old enough that people take them seriously so the slop from their era is being added to the ‘canon.’ That said System of a Down and Deftones are good

>>125221163
Love gets hated on because she's an attention whore, has borderline personality disorder, is a compulsive liar, and is an actual whore who hates every single woman prettier than her.
See: the song "Professional Widow" by Tori Amos.

>>125226169
Bono is just annoying but yeah this is true. U2 has aged a lot better than other 80s/90s bands.

in 100 years people will still be listening to The Beatles but not Bob Dylan.

>>125227187
why not both though? you're saying this as if everyone only listens to the same classical composer...

>>125227196
Dylan is the poet laureate of the boomer generation. Out of context his music sounds like a cat dying to a toddler playing the kazoo.

>>125227258
Not really. He's written songs that are genuinely eternal and he's compulsory to anyone interested in 20th century or American music. Hell, I'd argue Western music in general.

>>125227258
Dylan won a Nobel Prize in Literature anon, like him or not, linguists are going to be studying him hundreds of years from now

>>125227283
>literature
Yes literature, not music. People will read his lyrics, not listen to his cat scratchings.

bob dylan is the reason the beatles experimented, he got them high and told them stop being a boy band

>>125227304
I agree with this. Immediately after John wrote songs like "I'm a loser", "babys in black".. more meaningful introspective material

>>125227300
Like A Rolling Stone and Mr Tamborine Man (at least the byrds version) will be remembered at least. I hear them all the time

>No thanks Bob Dylan, we're clean living!
https://youtu.be/SgnaAiAi1Pk

human cannonball is the greatest thrash metal song of all time

>>125226617
Not really
He just said he never wrote songs starting from lyrics, all his demos were him humming the vocal parts over guitar parts.

Then the lyrics added some cryptic layer on top of the melody, that connected with some themes that had been long on his mind, as documented through his diaries.

It was obviously important for him to have a vocal part, because that allowed him to add the visceral scream that conveyed the exhiliration, pain, anguish, craze of the feelings expressed in Nirvana songs

Ian Curtis wasn't having epileptic attacks on stage - her was barely epileptic, if at all. He had aspergers and was stimming to the music.

Most music is god awful, like 99%.

>>125218018
he lurks here
hey fantano, fuck you

Shoegaze needs to die again. It DESERVES to die again.

>>125218018
>engagement farming
I can't believe people don't see this for what it is.

>>125226169
Incorrect they are terrible

>>125218018
This is better than human slop
https://youtu.be/s09zFw--16k

>>125230095
AI kino

>>125221983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vG_mTt6hCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8VduT7aR2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEYqSorzOZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vamReLUOlrA

Two pairs from the same albums, if these four songs sound the same to you: kill yourself

Spoon and The Decemberists were never good. Indie rock is my favorite kind of music, and I love bands that have similar sounds, no song by either band has ever clicked with me.

>>125228649
it's pretty dead
you can't name a current relevant shoegaze band

>>125230272
I refuse to believe people actually enjoy The Decemberists and Andrew Jackson Jihad and it's all an elaborate ruse.

>>125232208
Constantinople is a good song

Hipsters were right about everything. Being a pretentious douche about music is a good thing. A lack of gatekeeping, facilitated by fast communication, has ruined music forever.

>>125232227
I'm sorry, but this kind of song gives me an indescribable feeling of revulsion. I would rather listen to The Residents' song of that name, or better yet The Four Lads' "Istanbul" (TMBG can fuck off too).

>>125218030
The average tiktok feed is far more musically diverse than any radio station in the 90s

>>125218603
>Poptimism is a very recent phenomenon anon, not something that existed long a go.
Lmao.
What iq threshold do you have to not meet to believe this

>>125226602
Nothing about Kid A is IDM. You picked their weakest high rated album to ragebait

>>125220789
OHH SHIIII

>>125226602
Kid A amnesia and hail to the thief are really bad albums, one or two good songs in each album.

>>125230272
No way you were too blind to see The Mariner's Revenge

swans makes the worst music i've ever heard i'd rather listen to trout mask replica on repeat for each album swans has made

What’s Going On is not a good album, and I say this as someone who usually likes soul music.

>>125234844
They said hot takes only. that'd be like saying all the shit mu likes is boring and gay as fuck. everyone knows.

>>125235050
no just swans in particular. most of the shit mu likes is actually listenable. but not swans. pure garbage.

>>125218018
this board doesnt discuss any new music anymore. it's just a stupid pol tourist board plus the kpop people

>>125218030
>The whole forced nu-metal revival
what are you talking about? seeing a post on /mu/ about nu metal doesn't mean there's a revival. some of you desperately need to go outside