>>17449286
Incomparably. Immesurably. Incomprehensively. For Russia itself, daily life would LITERALLY look like pic related.

>>17449294
The Russian Empire didn't look like that. Stop being stupid.

>>17449295
It would have.

>>17449303
You're retarded. Leave this thread IMMEDIATELY.

>>17449320
Flying deer, dude.

>>17449325
Okay retard, do you want me to tell you what would've really happened? Had the ruzzian empire not fallen, literally MILLIONS of Polish and Finnish people would've been genocided out of existence. That's just for a start. Now that doesn't sound much better now does it?

>>17449335
Actually

>>17449286
>But would it really have been that much better?
If the reds and whites killed each other even harder

>>17449348
You completely misunderstood the point of the thread. Please kill yourself at your earliest convenience because you're too low IQ to continue to live.

>>17449350
I understood the point of this thread perfectly well. And I gave you an honest answer. Red and whites killing each other even harder would have been the best outcome for the world.

>>17449354
Your reading comprehension is worse than that of a 4th grader.

>>17449286
Nah. It most likely would have been worse. Only upside is WW2 might have been prevented.

>>17449410
>It most likely would have been worse.
Could you elaborate?

>>17449295
Yeah, I don't think it was made out of cardboard

>>17449420
The whites were politically diverse, but by the end the most powerful faction thought that the civil war was caused by the fact that Russia was not authoritarian enough. Russia. Where the king proudly called himself an autocrat and pledged to fight democracy.

>>17449286
there's literally no difference between them - one represents germans riding on backs of savage russoids, the other jews doing the very same thing. they are perfectly interchangeable and history would have been the same whichever faction won.

>>17449286
The Whites would've never won. If they did win and the Soviet Union was never established, the Nazis would've. So we probably would've had a Third Reich instead.

>>17449493
>If they did win and the Soviet Union was never established, the Nazis would've.
Hitler wouldn't have come to power because there wouldn't have been an actual bolshevik conspiracy to destroy the whole world. Hitler would've been just your average conspiracy schizoid, forgotten by history.

>>17449503
spartacus uprising would have been launched anyway, bolshevik's nothing more than a local chapter of the international jewry

>>17449511
Spartacus uprising happened in great part thanks to the success of Russian Revolution. German commies wanted to link up with the russians and thought they would succes, same as them, despite being woefully underprepared

If the russian commies fail, the german commies don't go full retard and the spartacist uprising doesn't happens

>>17449335
Nah they just would have rebelled successfully against the Russian Empire. More importantly no Stalin means no mass industrialization meaning Russia never becomes an industrialized power and never becomes as relevant as Germany, France, and Britain.

>>17449547
>More importantly no Stalin means no mass industrialization
So why where the Germans so afraid of Russia industralising that they'd be willing invade it?

Russia would be weaker, less relevant, maybe even partitioned.
>the world would've been a better place
Sure, weaker Russia = safer Europe

>>17449547
You can industrialise without a communist dictatorship

>>17449286
If the USSR never existed, would the Nazis have won WWII? Would whatever version of Russia that existed instead have been as effective at fighting Nazis, or would they even have wanted to fight Nazis as much?

>>17449838
You gotta keep in mind it wasn't just the Soviets or the Allies that fucked up Nazi Germany; it was fucked up on the inside.

>>17449286
Do tell, how is the world supposed to be a better place if dozens of millions are condemned to eternal serfdom under bourgeois oppression?

>>17449838
There would be no WWII at all.

>>17449286
If Russia was still diplomatically tied to the west after ww1, ww2 would have been shorter and less destructive.

>>17449286
Depends a lot on what "winning the civil war" looks like
Achieving 1922 USSR borders is a huge assumption
Achieving actual stable government and not China-tier warlord anarchy is a huge assumption
If they pulled off a miracle and got a mostly Kadet-controlled civilian administration off the ground they'd probably be better off than the USSR in the long term but so, so much could go wrong in the meanwhile.

>>17449286
The only winning move in that civil war was not to start it.

>>17449286
Imagine looking at this and thinking that it’s the good end for anything.

>>17449286
people who say this despise russia and would love for it to have been conquered and genocided by germany. it drives them mad that the ussr buttfucked their precious little faggot reich and sent men into space before the amerisharts.

>>17449547
>meaning Russia never becomes an industrialized power
This is maybe the most often-repeated claim about Russia and the Soviet Union. Imperial Russia was industrializing, and had a rapidly growing economy. It was a dysfunctional country, but it wasn't stagnant by any means.

>>17449923
Serfdom ceased to exist in Russia in 1861, not 1922, retard commie faggot.

White Russia would be raped by Hitler, they needed Stalin, a person willing to throw millions of people into meatgrinder

>>17450818
Hitler wouldnt invade white Russia they'd be natural allies.

>>17449286
If the separatists win aswell and the Russian rump state is incapable of reconquering them then the world would be a vastly better place.

>>17449923
They’d be alive instead of dead.

>>17449286
I mean, without the Soviets it is likely that Hitler would never have come to power. So no WW2 in Europe.
And there'd be no cold war, so far less coups in Africa and Latin America, fewer civil wars.

Also Maoist china wouldn't succeed without the USSR, so the many, many millions who died there wouldn't have.
Similarly then North Korea and Pol Pot's Cambodia would never come into being.

So, yeah, the Whites winning would have been much better.

>>17450989
> without the Soviets it is likely that Hitler would never have come to power
WTF is this conspiracy theory
Soviets never founded Hitler, you are delusional

>>17450818
Would Hitler even have come to power if the USSR hadn't been formed?
And Stalin also famously trusted Hitler not to invade him while he was still at war with England, and purged his best generals.
Who's to say the Whites wouldn't have done better?

>>17450995
The Soviets didn't want Hitler to win, obviously, but it is doubtful the NSDAP would have been so successful without the fear of Soviet communism

>>17450995
>Soviets never founded Hitler
That's not what anon is saying, you drooling retard. If communism never gained a foothold anywhere, and remained as nothing but a dissident political subculture, Hitler potentially never becomes involved with politics. Even if he did, his worldview would be very different.

>>17449286
I mean, if you are into TNO...

In the long run it probably would have either balkanised like giga-Yugoslavia or speed ran the evolution into 21st century Putinist multiculti mutt Russia, only this time with more Poles and Jews.