>>17448710
I don't think the world sucks. I think there's both bad and good in this world and it would be dishonest to generalize the entire world as either inherently good or bad. The world is what the world is and there are both good and bad things happening within this world.

>>17448710
>the world suck
>suffer
Define "the world" define "suck" define "suffer"

>>17448710
>The greatest argument for anti-natalism is that this world sucks.
And yet, you find reasons to go on living.

Why? You reject God, and yet you insist on living. What are you living for? What hope are you clinging to? What drives you to never give up?

>>17448710
It's such a shame that doomerism doesn't lead to suicide. Then the problem would resolve itself, and the only people around would be the ones who like being here.
Instead, it's like a numbing drug that prevents the person from actually doing something productive.
White people should have at least 3 babies, but ideally more. Non-white people should have none.

Why not make the world better for your children instead of giving up like a lame ass loser? If you think things suck, change them? Suffering always has a cause, if it's a problem then search for a solution even a temporary one helps.

If you don't try nothing will change

>>17448744
>White people should have at least 3 babies, but ideally more. Non-white people should have none.
You only think this because you've been conditioned by online echo chambers to believe that only white people are capable of having depth and agency.

>>17448744
>Only white people should have children
Yes, because then only white people are going to suffer

>>17448755
>you've been conditioned by online echo chambers to believe that only white people are capable of having depth and agency.
Ok. Show me African composers. Show me Chinese filmmakers. Show me Hispanic philosophers. They don't exist, none of note anyway. Why? Why is that?

>>17448761
>Chinese filmmakers
There is plenty of Asian cinema

>>17448763
I said Chinese, not asian. Or should an Irishman take pride in the achievements of the Germans? Is that your argument?

>>17448761
All these exist and I don't see why they'd need to make anything of note for their work to be meaningful. If they lacked any kind of imagination like you're trying to imply then they wouldn't exist at all period, but that's obviously not true. I think racialism leads to the same depressive retardation that OP has because it puts some kind of burden on you because you believe that you and you alone are capable of having this depth but when you venture out of your comfort zone you realize that culture exists wherever you look regardless if it meets your unrealistic standards. Have as many white children as you want, don't get me wrong, but don't carry this burden. Everyone has something meaningful to say

>>17448768
You mention "white" "african" and "hispanic" so it seemed like you were talking about race, not ethnicity

>>17448776
I'm not the same guy. Stop clinging so desperately to the original post and think on your feet more.

>>17448775
>All these exist
So name some.
>Everyone has something meaningful to say
Based on what? You're just pulling that out of your arse.

>>17448788
>I'm not the same guy.
>>17448768
>I said Chinese
...

>>17448791
>So name some.
No, because you're just going to dismiss anything I name and continue to move the goalpost because you type more than you think.

>>17448795
I am not >>17448744

But by all means, hide from the actual crux of the argument and continue to nitpick so you can avoid admitting you're full of shit.

>>17448800
Honest question, do you have some kind of learning disability?

>>17448798
>No
Then fuck off, coward.

>>17448803
>Still evading the argument to nitpick
*yawn* Just go, just get out, you're contributing nothing to this thread.

>>17448800
>>17448806
That guy is not me

>>17448755
I don't believe it, but for the sake of the argument, even if I grant you that everyone has equal depth and agency, why should I care about them? They don't care about me, and rightly so. It's a failure of you, to care about out-groups in some meaningfully equal way as your in-group.
But to actually discuss what you said, yes. We can look at the historic record, and see that white people have advanced humanity more often and in greater amounts, than anyone else. There's no shame in accepting it.
>>17448760
Everyone is capable of suffering. I just don't care about their suffering. They don't care about mine. It's irrational to try and treat everyone as an equal, deserving of the same opportunity. The more of my tax dollars that go to aiding other countries, is less for me and mine, the actual correct receivers of the spending.
>>17448768
Europeans still haven't learned the lesson that the United States and Canada learned. They're all getting flooded with the third world, so hopefully they all learn the lesson soon enough. The Europeans need to have a collective identity together, even while holding onto their individual country's identity. USA/Canada have long since realized that all the white Europeans have a shared identity, even if there were cultural clashes in previous generations.
There's a certain amount that the Irish should take pride in German achievements, and vice versa. The Industrial Revolution wasn't just one country discovering everything, but all the European countries' collective efforts in advancing the western world.
Hopefully the Europeans learn the lesson soon though. We really need them to be united with us. By the looks of it, it's starting to happen.
>>17448776
I think your misunderstanding comes from the contrast between the Old World and the New World. The New World sees all white Europeans as one, even with the obvious differences. Read the stuff I typed right above me replying to you.

>>17448847
>United States and Canada
Shithole abominations that will shortly self destruct.

>>17448849
>no argument
>adhom
I accept your concession.

>>17448854
Accept whatever you like, mutt. No nation can exist long term when built on the sand of multiculturalism.

>>17448875
I never said it could? You should have been able to tell that from my comments about the third world flooding Europe. Also, I'm a leaf, and I'm not mixed. Nice try at dodging everything I said for insults.
I'm one of the strongest opponents to the spread of multi-culturalism. Nothing in what I typed, should have suggested otherwise.
Do you have an actual argument? Or just more cope?

>>17448886
>Also, I'm a leaf, and I'm not mixed.
You're a mutt. Your ancestors were mutts. Your children will be mutts. Canadians are about as European as Turks.

>>17448892
My family tree has been traced back several hundred years, all white European. My family has only been in Canada for about 100 years. Nice try though.
All of what you're doing is cope, seething, and distracting from the fact that I destroyed your argument so badly that all you have left to do, is insult me.
I accept your concession.

>>17448898
>My family tree has been traced back several hundred years, all white European. My family has only been in Canada for about 100 years.
Long enough to be called a mutt. The fact you even had to reasearch your family line at all is proof you're a mutt.

>>17448847
Why do I need a shared identity with white people? There is no point in having an in-group bias based on race/ethnicity. As far as I'm concerned, they're an outgroup to me, even if I'm white myself, because many of them are homophobic and will torment me at the first opportunity. I see no reason to help people who aren't going to accept me.

>>17448906
This doesn't even make sense. Anyways last (You).
>>17448910
Look at the picture I posted, in the post you replied to. You're a recent defect of white people. Luckily, you're a faggot, so your defect dies with you. We know you consider other white people as the out-group, you're a defect.
The fact that you think white people are going to torment you for being a faggot, when the white countries are the most tolerant of your faggotry, is beyond comprehension. I guess it's the power of propaganda, because all the other parts of the world would most certainly kill you for it.
You've divided yourself off, and refuse to see that even in burgerland, it's become so much more pro-faggot in the last 20 years.
The burger right-wing talking heads are already saying that they're no longer shunning your sub-culture. That's an incredible step of progress, that you're obviously too young to understand the shift that happened.
But no, you keep listening to your propaganda, to keep you afraid, and apart.
The most common burger right-wing opinion on the entire lgbt stuff is "I don't really care, so long as they leave the children alone". Which is crazy positive progress for burgerland. To go from gay conversion camps, less than 20 years ago, to this? It's fucking crazy that you think your side isn't still winning.

When you have to post a wall of text to defend yourself from simple questions, it speaks to a level of deep insecurity and shame.

>>17448941
>NO DON'T FULLY EXPLAIN AN IDEA
>YOU HAVE TO LET ME ATTACK IT FOR MULTIPLE POSTS
>WHERE I ACCUSE YOU OF STUFF YOU DIDN'T MEAN OR SAY
>ALL TO END IN ME RUNNING AWAY WHEN I REALIZE THAT I WAS WRONG
Or maybe I'll properly defend my idea, so you can actually understand it, and avoid the entire problem.
I accept your concession.

>>17448939
> Look at the picture I posted
see that people like me are the ones who are meaningfully different from niggers in their treatment of others and therefore responsible for the development of white civilization. Made it different from everyone else. And people like you are basically white niggers who want all the freebies because of the color of their skin. Just a parasitic white nigger who wants bias because he has no individual merit. Bottom line, being a liberal means being white, hating homos means you might as well be a Muslim. The modern world needs a lot more whites like me and a lot less whites like you if we are going to have a future as anything but a white niggerland.

>>17448847
>even if I grant you that everyone has equal depth and agency, why should I care about them? They don't care about me, and rightly so. It's a failure of you, to care about out-groups in some meaningfully equal way as your in-group.
You have no reason to believe they are not part of your "in-group" if you believe they have the same depth and agency as you, at that point it's just a meaningless distinction. But I suppose if you truly do value identity whether it's ethno-national or otherwise then I wouldn't expect you to hold them to the same standards and values as your in-group but I'm not even asking that of anyone, I'm just asking you not to carry the burden of having some savior complex lest the world is befallen for not having met your standards, which shouldn't be too much to ask of someone. I'm asking you not to project your personal values onto anyone else, which should be fairly easy if you truly do believe in in-groups vs out-groups.

>>17448746
Because we can see how projects to make the world a better place are counter productive and makes things worse.
The Soviets promised a worker's paradise. They had to build walls to keep people from escaping.

>>17448761
I watch Chinese movies all the time
https://youtu.be/Yf3VreXwVpI?

>>17448710
>this world sucks
It doesn't, skill issue.

>>17450001
Nah he's right
The entirety of Asian cinema was carried by only Hong Kong and Japan at one point.
Most asians is straight up useless.

>>17448710
Greatest argument against it is that if life is bad why haven't you killed yourself?

>>17448761
>I am ignorant about other culture that means they are shit
Retard

>>17448744
>Literally totalitarian logic
>'If you don't like the state, why not kys?'
Might as well kill you faggot

>>17448710
No I don’t agree, the world is good and so is suffering itself. There’s such a thing as too much suffering of course, but learning to embrace suffering is just part of growing up.
Also normal everyday people usually are cool and interesting.

>>17448710
Anti natalism would have been a valid ideology if it were not cucked by modern tankies and lolberts who think that advocating for the darkies to have less kids too is super racist

>>17451078
Antinatalism is not an ideology though, it's just a descriptive term for a personal decision towards having children

>>17451057
Except the state is a solvable problem, or at least an addressable one.
If the starting position is that life is bad, always will be and that it’s better off to never have existed there is one way and only one way to address this problem, and that is to stop living. Why is that an undesirable solution to these premises?

>>17451081
Life is currently bad, it wasn't always this bad

>>17451085
Then why be antinatalist?

>>17451103
Because we are approaching endgame hellish dystopia at lightspeed?

>>17451081
You're being totally misread. It's not just about which one's life bad, but like, the very concept of existing in this hellhole is what's truly messed up. Even if you off yourself, you're still stuck in this existence. The only thing that'd solve it is total deletion from reality, you feel me? Imagine getting cucked and getting raped, all your dignity gone. You can off yourself, but the memory of it's still gonna haunt you even in death. It's not like killing myself solves anything cause the real issue is that I'm still a part of this existence, past, present, and future. It's like, the darkest pill ever. All that bad shit in my past, present, and future is still real, no matter what. Deep down inside, there's no solution, the only permanent solution was never existing in the first place. And we were fucking robbed of that.

>>17448710
>The greatest argument for anti-natalism is that this world sucks
No, that's the greatest argument against it.

>>17451080
Aint nothing personal about it, we're not talking about a personal thought, we're talking about anti natalism
>Antinatalism or anti-natalism is a philosophical view that deems procreation to be unethical or unjustifiable. Antinatalists thus argue that humans should abstain from having children

>>17448710
I live in the most comfortable, easy time and place in history
I have it pretty good. Things don’t suck. Well maybe they do for you but not for me tee hee

>>17451139
>you're still stuck in this existence
When you die that it is. Nothing.

>>17451139
>but the memory of it's still gonna haunt you even in death
Ghosts and spirits don't exist retard

>>17451139
schizobabble

>>17451132
It’s not really that bad though and most people see through the bullshit, or at least most of it. In history and life the bad times do not last forever, we need to focus on building the good times now.

>>17451265
>It’s not really that bad though and most people see through the bullshit
>or at least most of it
>or at least a great part of it
>or at least some of it
>or at least a little of it
Cope harder.

>>17451278
Nah Coronavirus was an absolute redpill for everyone alive and now only the most hardcore brainwashed freaks don’t disbelieve half the shit they hear. The internet, universities and major cities are full of such brainwashed freaks so that gives some people the impression that such people are more numerous than they are.

>>17448710
>The greatest argument for anti-natalism is that this world sucks. All of you should be able to agree with that.
No.

>>17448710
This world is a garbage fire, and no one asked to be thrown into it.

It’s like signing someone up for a never-ending reality show where every episode is bleak. Suffering, disappointment, and the daily grind? A hard pass. Why bring another soul into this hellscape just to play the role of an extra? Better to let the universe enjoy the silence than to subject another potential life to this endless cycle of mediocrity and pain...

>>17451296
I've seen plenty of people not buy the cough story and they're still mega-retarded on other issues.

>>17451296
I recenlty stumble upon a blogpost from some dude, claims he's been in the fascist scene for like 15 years. But had a meltdown after COVID-19. He doesn't want fascism anymore, because government totalitarianism during the pandemic was too much to handle.

>>17451324
Everyone is retarded on at least some issues, only problem is if people can actually see reason.

>>17451080
There is a big difference between a couple not wanting to have kids vs proselytizing that having kids is pure evil.

>>17451132
Proof?
>>17451334
>don't go to public places without a mask
>take the vaccine if you want to. We aren't forcing you.
What a fucking bitch, that is all it took?

>>17451360
I mean it is high key extremely fucked up that the government unironically tried to convince us that an experimental medicine that doesn’t prevent coronavirus, or even prevent the transmission of coronavirus, is actually a totally safe and effective vaccine. There was a strong push to make it as mandatory as possible, the media was blasting all kinds of horrible propaganda about people that didn’t trust what was going on, people lost their jobs, people went to prison as a result of government crackdowns on protests against this, the non-vaccines even killed people. Sometimes looking back it feels so bizarre to know that it even actually happened, it was surreal.

>>17451360
faggot bootlicker

>>17448733
>It's such a shame that doomerism doesn't lead to suicide.
Pointlessly mean-spirited posts like this unironically prove OP right.

>>17450015
>why haven't you killed yourself?
Being taken out of the void and being subjected to it again is inherently a terrifying concept. Just the idea that "You" will rot in the ground and become worm food is bad enough.

>>17451075
>Also normal everyday people usually are cool and interesting.
Lies boring faggots themselves.

>>17451139
>It's not like killing myself solves anything cause the real issue is that I'm still a part of this existence, past, present, and future.
What the fuck does this even mean? You could have just said something like 'open individualism' and that would be more coherent than whatever you just wrote.

>>17451234
>When you die that it is. Nothing.
Funny how atheshits are just retarded essentialists that don't believe in a soul, yet somehow consciousness is tied to a single body.