Bumping this important question

>>17448207
Yeah, the question of why God created the angels is a tricky one without clear answer. Their fall to earth, forming the tree in the garden which was forbidden is something of a mystery.

>>17448305
Any way I look at it it either implies god is not omnipotent or he deliberately wanted humans to sin

>>17448207
So that God's plan of salvation and grace could be enacted.

>>17448207
People like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Moses, David and Daniel wouldnt exist otherwise. And he loves them for being righteous and faithful even in a corrupted world. His favorite people in all of heaven and earth who he loves more than all the angels came from this broken world. Hes been gathering them and writing their names in The book of life to resurrect them in the last day and live with them for all eternity. God is very patient, he has all the time in The world.

>>17448207
The snake being Satan is fanfiction. It doesn't even make sense in the narrative within the book.
It's just a talking snake.

We're by nature separate from God so a fall can happen anywhere, even in Paradise. If you don't think this is the answer then read more and ask fewer questions.
>>17448336
No.

>>17448365
>No.
Yes.

>>17448207
That was Adam, he was entrusted with protecting the garden, and he let Eve be tempted. So the first one to fail was him.
Note to protect your wives and family from temptation and spiritual harm, by prayer and fasting.

>>17448383
>No.
>Yes.
I also say yes.

>>17448207
the snake isn't satan, and if it was, satan is a tester of god's will, not the enemy of god. lucifer is the closest to an enemy of god.

>>17448365
Cant sin in Paradise since we are fully united with God and our will is fully purified from slavery to sin.

>>17448336
But he could have just not put the tree or the serpent there, he wouldn't need a plan of salvation then.

>>17448207
>Why did God allow God to enter God's domain
Yes, it really is that retarded

>>17448409
But then virtue could not have manifested.

>>17448552
Why not?

>>17448599
Can you forgive someone that hasn't wronged you?

>>17448620
Virtue isn't only forgiving someone

>>17448207
The Serpent isn't Satan.
In the old testament, Satan works as a prosecutor for YHVH and is still not fallen.
*Shiteating gnostic smile*

>>17448207
God was bored and wanted to see humans do entertaining shit

>>17448207
I think the most probable theory is that God forbade them both to have sex with anyone else than each other.
The snake had reasoning abilities, he had intelligence, and he was a liar.
This is an interesting video on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq8v9TI6wy4

>>17448336
The worst part about retarded posts like this is that it props up non-existent strawmen that atheists can attack. Stop making Christianity look bad and go back to twitter you faggot.

>>17449199
The snake told the truth the entire time and God was the liar.

>>17448365
Snake, though?

>>17448620
You're viewing this from a natural perspective, yet your God transcends that which is natural according to your theology. Not only that, but in his omnipotence, he basically could do everything in every way, in and out of the universe. God, then, by creating (and knowing) man and his outcome cannot be justified as a good entity.

Either God is omnipotent and omniscient and thus not omnibenevolent, or God isn't omnipotent (and omniscient) and is omnibenevolent.

>>17449217
>Stop making Christianity look bad
Enlighten us then
>it wasn't Satan it was le serpent
Cool, question remains the same, why did god let an evil serpent into the garden of Eden? And in addition even the question: how did a random-ass serpent become evil without god noticing?

>>17448207
Where does satans supernatural power originate from?

>>17448207
This is the answer you seek, but do not turn away in horror from the truth.

>>17449347
From God

>>17449388
Oh look the glownigger neo nazi freak is back to shill his honeypot

>>17449978
Apparently its only Nazis when the jews aren't doing it.

>>17448207
Gabriel who explained Daniel's visions is written of in Enoch and is called master of serpents and overseer of paradise. Perhaps Gabriel ordered the serpent to deceive them on behalf of God as a means of teaching a simple concept such as trust from the very beginning?

>>17449388
the yolk is the tastiest part with a dash of salt, unless it's h*rd b*iled

2nd graders discussing astrophysics

>>17449199
Here's another good source:

>Protoevangelium of James 13,1-5

>"In the sixth month of her [Mary's] pregnancy, Joseph came from his house-building and went into the house to find her swelling. And he struck his face and threw himself on the ground in sackcloth and wept bitterly, "How can I look to the Lord God? What will I pray about her, for I took her as a virgin from the temple of the Lord and did not guard her? Who has set this trap for me? Who did this evil in my house? Who stole the virgin from me and defiled her. Has not the story of Adam been repeated with me? For while Adam was glorifying God, the serpent came and found Eve alone and deceived her and defiled her - so it has also happened to me."

TL;DR - read the last 2 sentences of that quote.

>trees of knowledge and of good and evil- racial groups
>all other trees - literal trees
>fruit - sex/pleasure
>serpent - satan
>Cain - son of Eve and satan
>Abel - son of Eve and Adam

>>17450029
>Perhaps Gabriel ordered the serpent to deceive them on behalf of God as a means of teaching a simple concept such as trust from the very beginning?
Why would they not trust if god made them way? Sounds both evil and retarded

>>17448336
>planned obsolescence is holy
this is why i can't respect christians

>>17448207
Honest question, how are Adam and Judas bad guys? On the surface, they did bad things. But wasn't it all part of God's master plan? I don't mean that in the sense that God is omnipotent, but wasn't it literally the plan that man would get thrown out of Eden and that Judas had to betray Jesus?

>>17448309
>he deliberately wanted humans to sin
This is the hidden redpill of the abrahamic religions

>>17448207
God allowed Satan in to catalyze humanity's existential despair, illustrating that even paradise is an illusion, and true freedom lies in embracing the crushing futility of existence, forever trapped in a meaningless universe.

>>17448207
Nowhere does it say the snake is Satan

>>17448207
>God got mad because a newly born man was deceived by a fallen angel as old as time
unfair isn't it?

>>17448336
So the sky jew is subject to external constraints?