>>17448041
Nobody

>>17448041
Exclusively the Bulgarians

>>17448041
Everybody was in the wrong but the war only occurred because England and France thought they could beat Germany before it made a fully modern army

Now millions have died and billions of people might die soon in a direct chain of events from this

>>17448042
Correct.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgIpen4cIvY

>>17448041
Nobody was in the right but Germany was most in the wrong

>>17448041
Nobody was in the right but Serbia was most in the wrong

>>17448041
The Central Powers, except for the roaches, were in the right.

>>17448041
Switzerland. Everyone catching the stupid is a great opportunity for self enrichment.

>>17448318
How come Spain devolved into chaos after thr great war then?

The US was the only country in the right, every other country including the rest of the entente was in the wrong.

>>17448319
Severe moral and spiritual degeneration from all the guilt they burdened their souls with in the new world.

>>17448327
Okay but actually this time

>>17448312
Austria fair enough, but Germany escalated a regional crisis into a full blown war.

>>17448335
Spain was suffering from civil disorder and political turmoil ever since the Carlist Wars that were to erupt into open civil war a generation later. As a result of centuries of poor colonial policies it was and still is underdeveloped and underindustrialised and was during WW1 in no position to financially profit from the material attrition that was going on.

>>17448343
Russia did that when they mobilized.

>>17448345
Yes but Germany cast the die by declaring war.

>>17448363
The Russian mobilization hardly gave them any other alternative.

>>17448041
Spain

>>17448343
>escalated a regional crisis into a full blown war
It Austrian strategic general and Russian chief of staff own fault

>>17448433
Retardation

>>17448041
Austria had the opportunity to help own holy allies during crimean conflict and kill the Sardinia-Prussia alliance in its cradle, but that fool Franz Joseph decided to took neutrality standby. We live in a cursed timeline.

>>17448433
>While visiting the Baron von Giesl, Austrian minister to Belgrade, Hartwig collapsed of a massive heart attack on July 10, 1914. The Serbian press immediately published several inflammatory articles accusing the Austrians of poisoning Hartwig while he was a guest at their legation.
Why are balkanoid slav like this?

>>17448433
Didn’t Kaiser Willy and Tsar Nicholas both try to prevent the war?

>>17448319
Simple: Spaniards are retarded.

>>17448041
Belgium, maybe Serbia.
Everyone else were retarded warmongers.

>>17449167
The Serbs were "maybe" in the right when they orchestrated the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and then refused to give up the culprits?

>>17448047
most rational take

>>17448041
Mostly this >>17448042

Germany wasn't wrong insofar that the UK and France did genuinly want to keep them down, but at the same time they were a imperialistic dangerous state seeking to undermine much of Europe's stability.

>>17448477
Austria's actions during the Crimean wars are one of the single biggest foreign relationships blunders in European history. It essentially doomed the country out of mostly paranoia.

>>17449644
The Black Hand, because of course that was their name, were largely a secret military conspiracy unconnected to the Government. They were outlawed in 1917 by the Serbian government.

>>17449708
The Black Hand had infiltrated the Serbian state from top to bottom and while they did not take orders from the government, the government was still culpable as they did nothing to hinder the terrorist operations and they refused to aid the Austrian investigation in any way.
>They were outlawed in 1917 by the Serbian government.
Too little, too late.

>>17448041
>>17448250
>>17448363
Ultimately, every single action taken by Germany, no matter how brutal or ''criminal'', was completely justified since they were fighting an existential battle for their national survival against the French and the Russhits who were only trying to destroy the Teutonic empires of Central Europe. Pic related was France's plan for Germany. The ancestral lands of the Germans, their industrial heartlands....all stripped away and the whole nation plunged into humiliation and slavery. For that reason, things such as poison gas, sending Lenin to Russia, violating Belgium and unrestricted submarine warfare were all acceptable methods and I'd even argue that Germany didn't go far enough.

>>17449740
>they did nothing to hinder the terrorist operations and they refused to aid the Austrian investigation in any way
It didn't matter because Austria wanted war from the very beginning

>>17448041
Nobody.
As soon as the Austrian retard was assassinated, Germany should be pressuring Austria to deal with it quickly and get it over with.
Instead, they gave them total support in anything they do, which emboldened them.

>>17449884
/pol/tard's hands tapped this

>>17449893
Some Austrians did, others did not, and the former only got their way because of Serbias actions.

>>17449943
>Some Austrians did
Not in the government though

>>17449951 (me)
>Some Austrians did
I mean the ones who didn't want the war, sorry

>>17448041
Kaiser Wilhelm/Tsar Nicholas and some french/ british ministers
The war was caused and made 10000 times worse by central bankers, wilsonian/progressive retards and bureaucrats. The ancient regimes unironically did nothing wrong
>>17449893
>The police would inevitably have shot that nigger anyways, Don't blame him for being a nigger
Balkanoids deserve to be put in an insular zoo and should be put down when they try escaping
>>17449905
Yes Austria should have directly invaded Serbia and exterminated every terrorist to the last slav in Mount Nigger while everyone was still onboard in july

>>17449965
>Don't blame him for being a nigger
No, but if the police always wanted to shoot the nigger no matter what then it kinda changes the perspective

>>17449951
>>17449955
Berchtold, the foreign minister, was always consistently against war until Sarajevo happened which rightly convinced him of its neccessity, and Tizsa, the prime minister of Hungary, didn't even want war after Sarajevo, but was eventually swayed.

>>17450002
>was always consistently against war until Sarajevo happened
So like I said, he wanted war instead of just an investigation
>Tizsa
Not an Austrian, although he deserves credit, that is true

>>17449974
And niggers being niggers doesn't? Say if it were an asian, would the cop be likely to inevitably shoot the gook?
Serbs should be contained to Mount Nigger
>>17450020
>Which is why the Austrians sent an Ultimatum to Serbia instead of just declaring war as common sense would have dictated.
To which Serbs acquiesced to every point but the central one of austrian oversight in investigations as it would expose the deep ties between serbian govt and the nigger hand group

>>17450020
>he wanted war instead of just an investigation
You misunderstood me, it wasn't just about the Sarajevo assassination, but also about Serbias refusal to take action against the terrorist organization that was operating out of their territory. Part of the reason why they waited so long to send the ultimatum was because Berchtold wanted to give the Serbs ample time to do something, but they never did.

>>17450046
>And niggers being niggers doesn't?
It does - by confirming Austria never wanted a proper investigation and just looked for a reason to start a war
>>17450058
>After having dispatched Count Hoyos on a mission to Berlin on 5 July to secure German support for Austria-Hungary's future actions, which resulted in the famous "blank cheque", he became the leading spokesman, together with the Chief of the Austro-Hungarian General Staff General Conrad von Hötzendorf, for war against Serbia during the meeting of the Imperial Crown Council on 7 July
Ok

>>17449893
No excuse for terrorism.
>>17449884
France deserve get balkanized after losing to Egyptian, Mexican and Prussian
>violating Belgium and unrestricted submarine warfare
What about invasion of Greece? British government has lie about rms lusitania sinking after 1981 documents leak?

>>17450070
>Ok
S*rbs started the conflict, okay.

Nobody was in the right but pleanty were in the wrong.
Germany for one, trying to make Europe into their domain.

>>17450070
>It does
>But it doesn't
>Shieet
>Serbia dindu nuffin
Austria wanted an investigation and acted in a legitimate Ultimatum.
Serbia unironically harbored and shielded terrorists and deserved nothing less than a desert storm.
The only clemency they could possibly claim is that nobody deserves a 2003

>>17448041
Unironically nobody but France is the least wrong, France was probably the only great power to enter the war with a clear motivation ( the reclamation of the lost provinces of Alsace-Moselle) yet seems to be the only one that didn't contribute to the war breaking out.
Poincaré , the président of France at the time even ordered that the troops do not get closer than 10 kms to the Franco-German border and even if the move was mostly a diplomatic gesture and was canceled roughly 24 hours before the outbreak of the war, it was still way more than anything anyone else did.
In the Great Powers their involvment in the outbreak is undeniable and voluntary whereas France was rather passive during the whole ordeal.
Now that it is said. The most wrong is Germany. It had the shakest grounds to enter a conflict.
"Inb4 "muh survival". France was in a war of survival, Belgium was in a war of survival, Serbia was in a war of survival, arguably even Austria Hungary was in a war of survival. Germany wasn't under threat as long as they didn't start shit. The Agadir crisis proves it. France was willing to negociate and a peaceful approach was found. Germany only did what it did because it was imperialistic. It had no other excuse, neither the rape of belgium that the UK had, nor the terrorism of the south slavs that Austria Hungary had.
Kaiserboos will seethe and cope about how Britain and France and Russia were evil and shit but it will not change the reality that the German government is the only one that actually wanted war with other great powers and actively maneuvered to provoke it.
Russia was bluffing, Austria Hungary hoped it stayed regional, Britain only intervened when the war had already started, the serbians tried to appease the Austrians.
>Italy and The Ottomans
Retarded opportunism, just on opposing sides of the conflict.

>>17450120
Now Donald Trump, descended from Palatine-Bavarian immigration, now make North America into domain

>>17450133
>Libya (1911)
>ignored triple defense pact
Shitalian are backstabbing aggressor

>>17450133
As if Poincare didnt give the Russians carte blanche to provoke the Central powers, not unlike what they did with Poland less than 20 years later.

>>17448041
What happened in Switzerland in those times? They were in the middle of the war. Did they allow hundreds of thousands of people to run away from the war or they have strict borders?

I am sure many people went there to escape from everything.

>>17450046
>To which Serbs acquiesced to every point
This is actually false, only on one or two points did they give a straightforward yes, the rest they sleazed their way out of with lawyer talk while formally accepting.
>>17450070
The Serbs had already rejected Austrian requests to investigate at that point.

>>17450133
Great post. It is a pity that Poincaré tarnished his legacy in the Ruhr debacle.

>>17450128
>a legitimate Ultimatum.
>The previous night, according to his wife Nadine's testimony, Count Berchtold spent a sleepless night, altering the ultimatum and adding clauses, as he was very worried the Serbs could accept it
Ok
>>17450167
You said clearly that
>Part of the reason why they waited so long to send the ultimatum was because Berchtold wanted to give the Serbs ample time to do something
I showed you that Berchtold did nothing to stall the ultimatum or the war itself and now you move the goalposts. Just concede that Austrians always wanted war, it's okay

>>17450133
>Britain and France and Russia were evil and shit
They are today from suez crisis to Ukrainian wars

>>17448224
Germany could have just *not* invaded Belgium?

>>17450133
Explain this then >>17449884

>>17450174
>In the German-Soviet propaganda of the 1920s, the July Crisis of 1914 was portrayed as Poincaré-la-guerre (Poincaré's war), in which Poincaré put into action the plans he had allegedly negotiated with Emperor Nicholas II in 1912 for the dismemberment of Germany. The French Communist newspaper L'Humanité ran a front-page cover-story accusing Poincaré and Nicholas II of being the two men who plunged the world into war in 1914. The Poincaré-la-guerre propaganda proved to be very effective in the 1920s.
The red media is not so bad at all

>>17450187
>rape of Congo
As person of color, Belgian deserve it

>>17450192
>Oh no the country we just invaded and who's people we're opressing in a land they see as theirs plans to fuck us in the ass if they win? How could this ever happen?
Kaiserboo brainrot.

>>17450177
The quote you posted was about things that happened on the 5th and the 7th, the ultimatum was sent on the 23rd.

>>17450207
Frogoid smooth autism

>>17450209
Exactly. You said
>Berchtold wanted to give the Serbs ample time to do something
I showed you that he actually didn't, he pressed for war from the start

>>17450133
With the July Crisis there's a fair point to make that Germany was in the wrong, not one I agree with, but still. With the Agadir Crisis, however, I genuinely cannot understand how anyone can possibly think that Germany was in the wrong. France decided to annex Morocco, a nation whose sovereignty had been guaranteed by treaties that both France and Germany were party to, and they did it without German approval, but somehow the Germans are the aggressive imperialists for protesting against this blatant and provocative act of imperialist aggression??????????
Just goes to show that you haven't actually looked at the facts, you just follow the Entente propaganda narrative and therefore nothing you say should be taken seriously.

>>17450218
Okay if you need it spelled it out for you.
The map is irrelevant to the discussion as it was drawn AFTER the conflict started and it doesn't narrow down "who was in the wrong".
The argument that "hurr durr Russia and France and Britain no like me so I can rape the continent" is so profoundly retarded, only teenage kraut who's been watching too many My little dark age edits could conjure it. I could also remind you that germany also had ridiculous waraims like the Septemberprogramm. Would that make the Entente 100% justified in everything it had done? No because it was drafted AFTER the war had already broken out.

>>17450196
There's unironically alot of truth to this.

>>17448224
France could have just *not* invaded Greece?

>>17450249
Wtf are you talking about? France never annexed morocco for one. 2 The moroccans were made a protectorate in 1912. After the crisis. 3 The Crisis started in response to a treaty that basically gave France control over all new treaties signed with other foreign powers which , yes arguably did violate previous treaties but 4 Gerany never actually cared about morocco. They never opposed the move as is, they just asked for territorial compensation and a guarantee of their capital in the country. Which guess what France agreed to after some back and forth. Hence my previous statement stays true. Diplomacy worked before and never was off the table and when Germany decided to use it, France did not oppose it. I have not said that Germany was the agressor in the Agadir crisis, I said that Germany wasn't under threat by the big bad Entente as long as they ddin't go off the rails. In the Agadir crisis, they didn't and so it went well, in the July crisis, they did and so it ended badly.

>>17448538
Yes, both of them sign 1905 secret mutual treaty in modern day Finland

>>17450358
>France never annexed morocco for one
Semantics, if a French Resident-General who takes order from Paris has all the power while the Sultan is nothing but a figurehead, then Morocco has de facto been annexed.
>Germany never actually cared about morocco
They did, but it was about self-interest, as always in geopolitics, so naturally they could be swayed by other offers.
>Diplomacy worked before and never was off the table and when Germany decided to use it, France did not oppose it.
Why did France not use diplomacy in the first place? The Agadir crisis, and the Tangier crisis before it aswell, were unneccessary provocations, as were the various Balkan crises that Russia brought about, that needlessly antagonized Germany, and naturally Germany would be less susceptible to diplomacy in the future knowing that France and Russia would only continue to provoke. However, France and Russia were infact also less willing to turn to diplomacy in July 1914 and I would go as far as to say that it was off the table. Poincaré, who effectively controlled French foreign policy when war broke out, stood for a firm line, he had been against the resolution of the Agadir crisis, and he was also disappointed that the Russians caved in the Balkans in 1912/1913, once saying "'whenever we have adopted a conciliatory approach to Germany... she has abused it; on the other hand, on each occasion when we have shown firmness, she has yielded'". I'm not sure how the fuck he reached this conclusion, but unfortunately he did stand firm in 1914 and gave the Russians a carte blanche, resulting in a world war instead of Germany yielding.

>>17448477
>>17449701
Austria at that time was basically broke and could hardly afford the standing army it had. Actaully mobilizing was, as the minister at that time concluded, out of the question.

>>17450187
If you really believe that then you are retarded AF.

>>17448041
Anyone who was pushing for the complete obliteration of the banking system controlled by the zionist trash.

Anyone who wasnt Austria, Russia or Germany.
Since it was these 3 who are 99% to blame for the outbreak of the war.

Germany for encouraging Austria.
Russia for mobilizing.
Austria for actually attacking despite knowing it may trigger a wider war.

And no, Serbia has no blame. Not a single historian has found any evidence that the Serbian government sanctioned the assassination, and the government had virtually no control over the Black Hand organization.

>>17451344
Serbia rejected ultimatum. They are to blame.

>>17448041
The Entente, German/Austrian aggressions on Belgium/Serbia were not justified and it was matter of honour for their allies to defend them. However the Italians were just being opportunistic dickbags that betrayed their allies, dishonourable.

>>17451344
Hiding terrorists in your house is a crime, and that is what Serbia did.

>>17450257
Hello, Mr. ESL

>>17449701
>Austria's actions during the Crimean wars are one of the single biggest foreign relationships blunders in European history
Please spoonfeed me on this

The fault was giving 19th century brainlets machine guns and heavy artillery

>>17451385
They didnt hide them either.
The Black Hand literally assassinated the Serbian king as well.

Also literally not a reason because then the world could have invaded West Germany because of the actions from RAF, or Britain could have invaded Ireland because of the IRA.

Stop being a fucking retard.

>>17451451
>We should inavee germany and finish what germanicus tried
Yes
>Fry every oirish criminal drunkard until they finally learn to swim
YES
>Serb niggers are Al-qaeda ISIS terrorists and should be invaded

>>17449884
Austria should have won the Austro-Prussian War

>>17451451
>They didnt hide them either.
If you allow terrorists to operate out of your territory and refuse to do anything about them then you are effectively hiding terrorists.
>The Black Hand literally assassinated the Serbian king as well.
You conveniently omitt that there was a whole coup, a successful coup, that went along with that regicide.
>the world could have invaded West Germany because of the actions from RAF, or Britain could have invaded Ireland because of the IRA.
The RAF was more in conflict with the West German state than with anyone else, and Ireland largely cooperated with Britain against the IRA.
A more fair comparison would be the Taliban hiding Al-Qaeda on their territory.

>>17449740
Austria's investigation was a massive violation of sovereignty. I don't see what Serbia did wrong, and I don't even like Serbia.

>>17451344
NTA but France was plotting revenge on Germany for decades.

>>17452533
If the Serbs had done their own investigation there would have been no need for Austria to violate their sovereignty.

>>17451666
Austria winning anything would have only been viable if they federated themselves. Essentially form the EU a century earlier but largely under the control of the Austrian nobility rather than Americans.

>>17452539
Did they do zero investigation? Best argument you could make is that they could have cracked down on the black hand earlier. But I think it's rather silly to argue they did nothing.

>>17452525
>A more fair comparison would be the Taliban hiding Al-Qaeda on their territory.

The Taliban governmnet openly sheltered Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden, and they refused to hand over any of its members. The Taliban governmnet openly supported the organization and the attacks made.
Serbia did not openly shelter the Black Hand, they were simply unable to crack down on them because it had popular support and many infiltrating ties with the military, but they were prepared to cooperate with Austria during the July crisis to surpress them.

US demand was simply to root out the organization. The Austrian demand was to undermine Serbias sovreignty (the one demand Serbia rejected during the July crisis).
This was the whole fucking reason why many major powers sided with Serbia, or found themselves conflicted, while in regards to Afghanistan, largely the entire world approved of the military action.

>>17452536
Not in the 1910s. You have no proof of this because historians have no proof of this hence why no one believes it.
French revanchism over alsace lorraine had become dormant by this time.

>>17452557
>but they were prepared to cooperate with Austria during the July crisis to surpress them.
They weren't, see >>17452564

>>17451385
Just like Al-Qaeda

>>17452540
>but largely under the control of the European nobility rather than globalist yankike
VGH…

>>17452557
>This was the whole fucking reason why many major powers sided with Serbia, or found themselves conflicted
Not Spain, France and Britain during July crisis

>>17452601
They werent the ultimate authority.
Tsar Nicolas canceled the moblization but was pressured by the politicians to resume it.

>>17452609
If he's not the ultimate authority why were they pressuring him?

>>17452613
French-speaking elite demanded pan-slavic autism