>>17447491
Rational, moral and intelligent people objectively analyze the world, identify root problems, and then take action to correct them.

>>17447551
Actions can be retarded, you know.

>>17447551
>analyze the world, identify root problems, and then take action to correct them
Extremists rarely do this though. They tend to view the world in black-and-white. This inflexibility and failure to see nuance usually backfires on them (Marx, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, bin Laden, etc). These are also characteristics of people on the spectrum.

Spergs have difficulty understanding compromise or cooperation, they always have to have their own way which leads to childish, extremist ideology.

>>17447593
Compromise leads to governments that lock in place and never get anything done.

>>17447599
Compromise broke up the monopolies and created labor protections without resorting to full fledged wealth redistribution or bolshevik revolution during the turn of the century.

>>17447556
>>17447571
Extremists are the only people that ever do anything, and hence are the only people that can ever force a change in material circumstances or power-relations

>>17447606
Forgot pic

>>17447607
You have such a sad, immature view of history

>>17447607
>Extremists are the only people that ever do anything
Simply “doing something” is not inherently good.
>the only people that can ever force a change in material circumstances or power-relations
Picrel is an example of a historical figure who forced a change in material circumstances through reformation and compromise.

>>17447624
What change did he force? Jewish oligarchs ruled America before he came into office and Jewish oligarchs ruled America after he left office. He was an irrelevant puppet picked for office by jews because he had the ideal democratic golem combination of being both photogenic and mentally retarded.

>He’s really a beautiful looking man, but he’s so dumb”, was the damning verdict of the financier James Warburg’s mother on the young Franklin Roosevelt.
https://www.the-tls.co.uk/lives/biography/becoming-fdr-jonathan-darman-fdr-iwan-morgan-book-review-tony-badger

James Warburg would become Roosevelt's handler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Warburg

>>17447606
>>17447609
>Compromise broke up the monopolies and created labor protections
And now we're more or less back to how it was before those advances, because the root cause of the problems (rich people and bourgeois culture) were never eliminated.

>>17447816
>And now we're more or less back to how it was before those advances
Do you work 60-80 hours a week in a factory for $0.10/hour?
>because the root cause of the problems (rich people and bourgeois culture) were never eliminated.
Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and Vlad Lenin all tried that and it just created a new oligarchy of bureaucrats that led to even greater wealth inequality than that which existed under the governments they overthrew. Kurt Vonnegut said rich people are just poor people with money, and he was right. “Rich people” are not the root of societal problems, nepotism and corruption are. You can allow people to accumulate wealth without allowing them to have undue influence over the government or workers.

>>17447491
It was n*rmies supporting all these crackpot ideologies. It was "Chad" and "Stacy" and "boomers".

>>17447916
>Do you work 60-80 hours a week in a factory for $0.10/hour?
Working 80h isn't illegal. The minimum wage is above 10 cents an hour, sure, but the value of the money has gone down tremendously since then as well.

>Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and Vlad Lenin all tried that and it just created a new oligarchy of bureaucrats
This is true, and in fact, I read a transcript from a speech* by Mao from 1957 that explained this problem and called for it to be fixed.

>that led to even greater wealth inequality than that which existed under the governments they overthrew.
This one is utter bullshit, made up by liberal shills to try to portrait their rival system as even worse than theirs, with the implication that you shouldn't even bother trying to change things for the better.

>Kurt Vonnegut said rich people are just poor people with money, and he was right. “Rich people” are not the root of societal problems, nepotism and corruption are.
I partially agree with that. The thing is that if you create economic conditions where bad people are allowed to become rich, then you also give them to power to start influencing society and making it worse for everyone else.

>You can allow people to accumulate wealth without allowing them to have undue influence over the government or workers.
You can't, or at least not for very long. When you have a good government that implements policies that benefit everyone, things become good, and when things become good, people become comfortable and lose their revolutionary will. When people lose their revolutionary will, rich people come back and take control of the government and change the rules to benefit only themselves. It can't be otherwise, because some people are never satisfied with what they have.

*https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_60.htm

>>17447491
Extreme ideologies appeal to lonely outcasts who seek to be subsumed into something greater+Autists often have very black and white thinking.

>>17447491
Mental illness. Far-left and far-right are known to be mentally ill (centrists are less mentally ill).

>>17447491
>Why do so many autistic people gravitate to extreme ideologies?

I'm going to quote SAM HYDE of all people, but autists see demography, governing system, as a collection of secular data points, and exchangeable units. Autists love Extremism because they're mortified by how chaotic and pointless the world is from their perspective and crave reason and order: they don't want the peas to touch the mashed potatoes, and that feeling essentially scales up endlessly until they're putting people in camps based on the shape of their nose or the colour of their nipples.

>>17447551
>>17447556

Where this rubber meets the road though is two things:
-There is no such thing as a rational actor, nobody has access to flawless systems of information, least of all autists. Historically, extremists have also made this worse by compromising their information systems: you get a handful of people who consolidate all their people into a single in-group, the preservation of their bias becomes more important than reality, and the whole thing implodes when people are too busy maintaing loyalty than say growing crops or maintaining roads.
-The emotional content of reality isn't worthless, presentation is absolutely everything. Emotional content is extremely important and people by and large constantly make decisions not based on any kind of objective reality or "experts", but instead on how they feel about that speaker and how that information is presented. Infamously, most young men these days are 1 Joe Rogan podcast away from completely changing their mind on any given person or subject.

>>17447491
Functioning autists still hyper-fixate. So they're going to like the extreme ends the most, because they're the very most amount of something that they already like.
>>17449067
Centrists are fence-sitters that placate both sides, preventing anyone from proving that their side was correct or realizing that they were wrong. Everyone's stuck questioning "Well, is the idea wrong, or was it implemented incorrectly, due to X/Y/Z compromises?
There's nothing that shows that the centrist is the least mentally ill. There's actually evidence that the right are the least mentally ill, ignoring the extremity.

>>17447816
The problem is simply that eventually people get ignorant and greedy and want to kill the golden-egg-laying goose of managed free trade. Something like a democracy or capitalism is flawed and can fail but works. Something like communism is flawed in that it has and will never work. You lot are the religious millennialists who don't want a good society, you want heaven. Rest of us just want better pay, better work conditions, less work but good pay, not this worker's paradise that'll be a disaster.

>>17449126
The sam hyde quote is pretty great.

in my personal experience, autists, even high functional ones, really, REALLY hate being told when they're wrong about something, like moreso than normal people, so that probably also contributes to their personal ideological purity spiral since they usually just keep doubling down, and it's also made even worse with those semi-rare autists that also have clinical narcissism

>>17449133
> There's nothing that shows that the centrist is the least mentally ill.
This is a known result reproduced in psychological studies. There is a generalized factor for mental illness, and centrists score the lowest.
> There's actually evidence that the right are the least mentally ill
Delusion. The correlations between ideologies, personality factors, and mental illness are well known.

>>17447571
Because that's what it is, its battle between good and evil.

>>17449057
Pretty much this. If you’re an outcast with an inferiority complex and very little to lose, then you’re more susceptible to rhetoric that promises rapid change through radical means.

Because autists are cognitively stunted, and once they like something, they will never, ever change their minds. They are incapable of learning or understanding the nuances of a subject, and like something only because of some minutiae they like. For example, most autists like nazi germany for their uniforms. Everything else is secondary for them.

>>17447599
>and never get anything done.
That's a feature, not a bug. The root of most evils are people trying to "get shit done".

>>17449742
>Because autists are cognitively stunted
TRVKE right here, they may cope and seethe, hell, some might even dilate, but no truer statement has ever been written in the history of the chan

If we inquir Who stirs up nations against each other? Who raises the questions that are directing humanity today? -- the answer is: the Ahrimanic deception which plays into human life. And in this field men very easily let themselves be deceived. They are not willing to descend to the lower strata where reality is to be found. For, you see, Ahriman skillfully prepares his goal beforehand-- ever since the Reformation and the Renaissance, the economist has been emerging in modern civilization as the representative governing type. That is an actual historical fact. If you go back to ancient times, even to those that I have characterized today as the Luciferic -- who were the governing types then? Initiates. The Egyptian Pharaohs, the Babylonian rulers, the Asiatic rulers -- they were initiates. Then the priest-type emerged as ruler and the priest-type was really the ruler right up to the Reformation and the Renaissance. Since that time the economist has been in command. Rulers are in fact merely the handymen, the understrappers of the economists. One must not imagine that the rulers of modern times are anything but the understrappers of the economists. And all that has resulted by way of law and justice - one should only study it carefully - is simply a consequence of what economically oriented men have thought. In the nineteenth century the “economical" man is replaced for the first time by the man thinking in terms of banking, and in the nineteenth century there is created for the first time the organization of finance which swamps every other relationship. One must only be able to look into these things and follow them up empirically and practically.

>>17447491
Because we realize how utterly retarded the average person is, and that people need to learn a very basic set of morals before getting nice things, otherwise nice things won't do them any good.

>>17447491
It's not that autistic individuals are drawn to extreme ideologies; it's that their brains are wired to seek out and optimize systems. Yes, you heard that right – systems. Autistic individuals have an inherent affinity for categorizing, analyzing, and optimizing complex networks, which can manifest as a relentless pursuit of information, a fixation on minute details, and an intense desire for control.

This is because their brains are constantly seeking to create and refine mental models of the world, seeking to identify patterns, anomalies, and inefficiencies. In an effort to impose order on a chaotic universe, they become fixated on systems – whether they're social hierarchies, economic structures, or philosophical frameworks.

>>17447927
/thread

One feature of autistic people is that they have a very strong sense of justice and they also have problems with black and white thinking

>>17447491
There is no such thing as "extremists" people who take action are labeled extremists because action is "extreme" in the mass and scale democratic world where the most 'action' anyone will ever take is pressing a colorful red or colorful blue button.

>>17447816
That’s because a permanent solution is simply not possible, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Compromise and cooperation is simply a more effective and more just means of sustaining what is good or even furthering it than ideological extremism.

If we inquir Who stirs up nations against each other? Who raises the questions that are directing humanity today? -- the answer is: the Ahrimanic deception which plays into human life. And in this field men very easily let themselves be deceived. They are not willing to descend to the lower strata where reality is to be found. For, you see, Ahriman skillfully prepares his goal beforehand-- ever since the Reformation and the Renaissance, the economist has been emerging in modern civilization as the representative governing type. That is an actual historical fact. If you go back to ancient times, even to those that I have characterized today as the Luciferic -- who were the governing types then? Initiates. The Egyptian Pharaohs, the Babylonian rulers, the Asiatic rulers -- they were initiates. Then the priest-type emerged as ruler and the priest-type was really the ruler right up to the Reformation and the Renaissance. Since that time the economist has been in command. Rulers are in fact merely the handymen, the understrappers of the economists. One must not imagine that the rulers of modern times are anything but the understrappers of the economists. And all that has resulted by way of law and justice - one should only study it carefully - is simply a consequence of what economically oriented men have thought. In the nineteenth century the “economical" man is replaced for the first time by the man thinking in terms of banking, and in the nineteenth century there is created for the first time the organization of finance which swamps every other relationship. One must only be able to look into these things and follow them up empirically and practically.

>>17451244
>That’s because a permanent solution is simply not possible
We had a permanent solution to the aristocracy: kill them, then make laws to cancel their privileges. We can do the same against the bourgeoisie.