>>17447045
They're insecure about their mixed heritage

>>17447045
because scotland was always two nations. The lowland Scots, who were anglo-saxon derived, spoke a language called Scots, which is derieved from early forms of English. The lowland scots were educated, colonialist and more cosmopolitan.

Then you have the Gaels, sometimes known as the Highlanders. These were celtic, clannish and tribal. borderline retarded but considered to be great warriors.

The lowland scots spent centuries trying to tame the highland gaels, erroding their clan powers, eroding their language but they were never quite able to. However when the kings of the house of Stuart also became kings of England they finally had the collective power to clear the highlands and finally fuck over the gaels and destroy their culture and colonize the highlands.

However modern scots, for some retarded reason like to LARP as highlanders, they love to wear kilts and yell freedom and act like they were all oppressed or whatever. Lowland scots wearing Highland attire and drinking whiskey is like White Americans wearing a feather headress and attending a powwow. LARPing as the culture you destroyed is peak level schizo and that is why the scots are a mess.

Also Glasgow is filled with communists for some reason.

>>17447127
source for any of these claims?

>>17447045
Good question. The likely suspects seem to continuously be in a state of perpetual kvetching over their mere existence. I suspect envy, since they're not as white.

>>17447127
lowland scots included borderers who were the most retarded and backwards people in the entirety of this british isles.

>>17447127
Low land Scots aren't anglo saxons and neither are the English.

>>17447178
A History Of Scotland by neil oliver.
ChatGBT
The Making of modern Scotland by Andrew Lang
Wikipedia
Reddit
Scots a genetic journey by Alistair Moffat

>>17447226
The english are 100% anglo-saxon. The anglo-saxons were a mix of autochthonous celtics and north sea germanic invaders. This mix was known as anglo-saxon and we can see on a genetic level that from early medieval graves that they anglo-saxons were a mix of celtic and germanic. however their culture and languages were almost entirely derived from their germanic heritage. this is fact. if you don't believe the facts then you have probably been reading too much marxist subversion.

Scots is such a similar language to english that is sometimes considered a dialect of english? Why did the lowland scots speak english if they weren't descendants of Anglo-saxon kingdoms.

>>17447045
Being intertwined with modern politics and a prominent role in pop culture doesn't help.

>>17447127
>The lowland Scots, who were anglo-saxon derived, spoke a language called Scots, which is derieved from early forms of English. The lowland scots were educated, colonialist and more cosmopolitan.
Not a single thing there is correct
>The lowland scots spent centuries trying to tame the highland gaels, erroding their clan powers, eroding their language but they were never quite able to. However when the kings of the house of Stuart also became kings of England they finally had the collective power to clear the highlands and finally fuck over the gaels and destroy their culture and colonize the highlands.

>>17447260
Yeah ChatGPT is a mad Rangers man

>>17447262
In the 9th century all Angles were deported from Lothian and no Anglo-Saxon names survive from that area
Galloway also has no Anglo-Saxon influence
>>17447263
No it's Jewish

>>17447224

Borderers were neither really scots or english. Both nations didn't want them, so that's why they ended up on the border.

Potentially Pikey tier on the ranking of British peoples.

>>17447265
Ugh… Edinburgh?

>>17447270
Edinburgh is apparently an Anglo-Saxon translation of a Latin name
>>17447267
>Borderers were neither really scots or english.
Yes they were Scottish and no evidence opposes that

>>17447274
So not only do Anglo Saxon names survive in the south of Scotland, they include the capital of Scotland.
Don’t look at Scottish DNA tests if you don’t want a fright, lad.

>>17447276
Yes

>>17447281
No Anglo-Saxon placenames survive unfortunately and Edinburgh is a translation as I've already said
>Don’t look at Scottish DNA tests if you don’t want a fright, lad.
Unfortunately that's historically impossible for any great Angle DNA to survive in Scotland and would require you to believe every medieval chronicle written about the South East to be incorrect along with archaeology there to also be incorrect

>>17447265
Edinburgh is literally a Anglo-saxon name lol. Burgh is cognate with burg, the germanic term for a fortified settlement.

Have you seen the gaelic language? No towns in the lowlands have distincting Gaelic spellings or pronunciations, lettering or anything of the sort.

If you meant surname, then that is a strawman argument, since Anglo-saxons didn't have surnames. In England why weren't introduced until the norman conquest, they wouldn't be introduced in scotland until much later by way of cultural diffusion and long after the lowland scots had formed their own separate diverged identity.

So no shit there were no anglo-saxon name, dummy dumb dumb.

>>17447045
They have become English-like in their identity Crisis and this is only exacerbated by the fact Scotland's inhabitants actually resemble Bronze Age Scotland, while England's Inhabitants have a reasonable case for embracing Muttism as no one in the UK resembles Bronze Age Britons, and the English identity is built around descending from Germanics, people whom the English are LEAST akin to out of everyone in Western Europe.
>>17447059
Its mirroring England.
>>17447127
absolute non-sense, no one in the UK is "anglo-saxon derived".
>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2

>Gaels
misnomer, Scotland hasnt experienced any genetic change since the Bronze Age, this is just what the data says.
Please stop referring to fairytales for your history.
There is no difference between Highlander and Lowlander they are an identical people who's difference are purely surface level, both of them are superior to the English, both of them are derived from Bronze Age Northern British Isles tribes, both of them are expressions of these tribes at varying levels of development and population density.
>>17447241
Please shut the fuck up you retarded chimpanzee.
We have been through this numerous times.
YOU
ARE
NOT
ANGLO
SAXON

Anglo-Saxons, the actual men buried in Sutton Hoo, the men buried in the 500s who came over in their large canoes, These were identical to modern Germans, 1:1 with People alive today in Bremen.

The English are not Anglo-Saxon, the English maximum is in two (2) counties where they share 45% of their DNA with ethnic West Germans, this the most Anglo-Saxon DNA in England.
The vast majority of the English, out of scores of counties, you are overwhelmingly 0-20% Anglo-Saxon.

You are going to larp but this is what the data supports.
>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2
You are not Anglo Saxon because you are not German.
>muh culture
>muh language
black people who speak French are not French, Britons who speak Germanic are not Germanic

>>17447286
No it's an English name in English and doesn't appear to have been called Edinburgh until after Northumbria collapsed
>Have you seen the gaelic language? No towns in the lowlands have distincting Gaelic spellings or pronunciations, lettering or anything of the sort.
The map attached contains locations of one type of Gaelic placenames in Scotland

>>17447281
>Scottish DNA tests
They have actual continuity with their ancestors.
Modern Englishmen have more DNA from Iron Age Gaul, literally Nigels have a larger signal from the Belgae who fled Caesar than Scotland has from ALL foreigners combined.

You can seethe, but your empire belonged to the jews, the Americans immediately humiliated you the second they were free of you, and your racial counterpart is the pajeet, its not robust africans or wild asiatic turks or even fausisticated Somalis, the race that the jews believe can sack you out genetically is half fucking Abo LMFAO.

>>17447274
The border was a lot more fluid than you are giving credit for. Towns on the very border were sometimes in england, sometimes in Scotland. Berwick as been both.

the Reivers were known to have family on both sides of the border and weren't strictly scotish or english but (like in most historical border regions) sort of a mix of cultures.

further away from the actually border you get more actually lowlanders but historically the reivers identified with neither. Hence the 'play both sides and end up on top' meme. actually historically accurate.

>>17447283
>Edinburgh is a translation from latin into Anglo and the Anglo translation has stuck and no one knows what the latin was because people speak English there but it doesn’t count as an English place name
You’re delusional. This is the exact kind of schizophrenic bullshit OP was talking about.
Btw claiming it was latin before is complete made up bullshit.

>>17447304
The border has been generally set since the 13th century and not changed since the 16th
>away from the actually border you get more actually lowlanders but historically the reivers identified with neither. Hence the 'play both sides and end up on top' meme. actually historically accurate.
They identified as Scottish and spoke in a Scottish dialect

>>17447291
>absolute non-sense, no one in the UK is "anglo-saxon derived"
>posts study saying Englishmen are between 25% to 47% Anglo-Saxon
Just stop posting bud

>>17447310
Okay so I'm still waiting for this large list of Anglo-Saxon names around Lothian

>>17447316
>>posts study saying Englishmen are between 25% to 47% Anglo-Saxon
>claiming the maximum as the average
>ignoring the actual average
>ignoring that a large number of Englishmen have zero Anglo-Saxon

I can see you're from the 0% German part of England, lad.

>>17447291
It should be illegal to be this retarded.

Anglo-saxon doesn't refer to North sea germanics. it refers to the mix of anglo-saxon and celtic peoples that existed

It doesn't refer to exclusively the 500s. Alfred the great styled himself 'rex anglorum saxonum' in the 800s aka the king of the anglo-saxons. Imagine an inbred like yourself going in a timemachine to explain to the king of the anglo-saxons that he didn't really exist and that anglo-saxon culture isn't real. lol. this level of hubris can only be achieve via advanced 'alcohol fetal syndrome'

But what you are perhaps missing in your hablogroup based autism is that the anglo-saxons were a culture in and of themselves and comprised of political entities and structures that were inherently distinct from their celtic neighbours, despite their high levels of celtic admixture. The highland Gaels and the lowland scots might plot similarly on a genetic level but to deny that they are separate cultures, speaking different languages, with different customs and opposing power structures. A ethnic group is more than just DNA test.

I'm not saying that they are different races, thicko. so cut back on the buckfast jock and go deepfry your brain until it starts working properly.

>>17447318
Just look at a fucking map and the suffixes:
Edinburgh
Musselburgh
Coldingham
Gorbridge
Haddington
Athelstaneford
North Berwick
North Middleton
Livingston
Winchburgh
Murieston
Borthwick
Mayfield
Wallyford
Dirletin
Kingston
Ormiston
Bilston
Newton
Boxburn
Blackburn
Elvingston
Whittingehame
I’m literally just looking at google maps and spotting all the towns with obvious Anglo suffixes.

>>17447339
The lowest limit provided in that study is 25%. You’re delusional, again.

>>17447045
It all went to hell for Scotland when House of Stuart rightfully succeeded to the throne of England. Now you'd think this would be a win for Scotland but the King immediately abandoned Scotland for the superior Kingdom and his sons/grandsons were raised as Englishmen. Humiliating enough that their own ruling class had snubbed their culture and joined them to England, they were then defeated and fully occupied in the Cromwell era. They stayed a essential vassal to England even when the House of Stuart was restored and later replaced with a bunch of germs that also adopted Englishness. Scotland has meekly accepted this bitch role till today and not much is left that differentiates them from the English. It's no wonder they they like to daydream about the eras before their own royal family completely fucked them over.

>>17447295
>The map attached contains locations of one type of Gaelic placenames in Scotland

none in lothian region, the lowland Scots orginal homeland, before their aggressive expansion and assimilation, into the land of the Gaels.

>>17447350
Most of those emerged during the 1100s and some during the 1500s

>>17447345
>Anglo-Saxon doesnt refer to North Sea Germanics
Correct, it refers specifically to Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, people who are genetically identical at a rate of 100% to modern Germans from Bremen, not the Dutch, not the English, not the Danes but ethnic German Nationals from the city of Bremen.
>it refers to
no it doesnt, it refers to the above.
The Men who came to Alba and buried your retarded ogre head looking ancestors were identical to modern Germans living in Bremen.
>Anglo-Saxon refers to a vague idea of
no this is cope.

Before the science was out the English were happy to say "Anglo Saxon means this group and we are uniquely descended from them" then when the Science proved the English arent even half Anglo Saxon at their absolute maximum they pivoted to "Well Anglo Saxon doesnt really mean anything it means a mulatto of Britons and Germans".
COPE
O
P
E

Youre not Germanic
Youre not German
Youre not actually related to the Angles or the Saxons

You are a rapebaby of German males who looked like people from Bremen Germany.
>hablogroup
what the fuck is a hablogroup?

your post is schizobabble.

Look at the data, The people of the UK are not Anglo-Saxon.

>>17447353
actually the lowest is 0% LOL.

>>17447361
Cope! Even if that’s true, those are still Anglo place names dotted fucking everywhere in the Lothians. It means those people were so influenced by the Anglos that they started naming their new towns in the Anglo fashion. But I don’t think you’re even right about that. Haddington and Athelstaneford have been around much longer than 1100.

>>17447359
The map clearly shows some in the Lothian area so I don't really understand what you're attempting to say

And further this map shows them all the way east

>>17447353
What a lot of DNA obsessed autists miss out on is that England has had thousands of years worth of migration into it from Wales, ireland and scotland, but significantly in the industrial revolution.

A lot of modern DNA test show up much higher than they would historically because millions of irish migrated to towns like manchester, liverpool and lots of welsh migrated to birmingham, bristol etc Just look at the top 10 surnames in england:

Smith
Jones - welsh
Williams
Taylor
Brown
Davies - welsh
Evans - welsh
Thomas
Wilson - Scotish
Johnson

4/10 are distinctly from welsh or scotish ancestry . Yeah so of course the english have a lot of celtic admixture lol.

>>17447370
No, it actually doesn’t say that.

>>17447377
They had Celtic admixture in the 900s too with East Anglians already becoming sub 50% Germanic.

>>17447381
Yes it does keep reading, also that it EMA which itself had Briton admixture.

>>17447377
I don’t deny the English have plenty of Celtic admixture. I’m just pushing back against the idea that there’s no Anglo-Saxon admixture. I pushed back against the idea that they were only Anglo-Saxon in some idiot’s thread the other day too. They’re a mix of both groups.

>>17447389
no one has ever said there's no Anglo Saxon admixture, naturally the German rapes of proto-English girls will inject some human DNA into them.

>>17447371
>those are still Anglo place names dotted fucking everywhere in the Lothians
Yes and most of them as you see are town names established with feudalism except 4 and Athelstaneford is actually an obviously Gaelic name

>>17447296
British empire was Scottish too, jock. And if England is getting jeeted, you’re going down with us.
> They have actual continuity with their ancestors.
Which includes Anglos, micks, vikings and indigenous proto-Welsh Britons. Quite similar to England really but with more micks.

>>17447368
Jokes is that you wrote all this in english, a language and script derived from the language spoken by the anglo-saxons.

Answer me this jock. if the anglo-saxon kingdoms were actually Celtic then why did the entire language, culture, religion and social structure randomly change? maybe, and maybe this is a crazy conspiracy, but just maybe the anglo-saxons were a real ethnic group that existed long into the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th century in both england and lowland scotland and maybe the people who live in those regions today are the cultural, ethnic and political successors of these people.

Did you know that the kings of the house of Stuart would take the sons of the Clan chiefs and forcefully educate them in the lowland and later the court in london in order to try and culturally assimilate them into lowland culture. why would they do that if the gaels and lowlanders are the same celtic people? maybe, just maybe (once you sober up) you can start to understand that there were two dominant cultural and ethnic groups in scotland and their conflict has created the schizo identity issues that you so diligently display for everyone here.

>what the fuck is a hablogroup?
Oh, know he's attacking my spelling errors. damn, he's got me good.

go suck on a munchie box,

>>17447395
>Athelstaneford is actually an obviously Gaelic name

I hope this is sarcastic.

>>17447407
>language and script derived from the language spoken by the anglo-saxons.
The English use of the Latin alphabet came from Ireland

>>17447414
>The English use of the Latin alphabet came from Ireland
LOL
LMAO, even

>>17447409
No it isn't
No man called Athelstan can be traced to the area and the Cogtail Burn has rocks across it.
In Gaelic Athel would mean Stone Ford. Hence Athel-Staneford. How this strange type of name appeared I'm not sure though other half Gaelic half English names exist in Lothian too.

>>17447430
Athelstan was literally a anglo-saxon king........
The first king of a united England.

>>17447612
Okay. There's no reason why this part of Scotland would be named after an English king

>>17447631
It’s basically the Anglo-Saxon version of being called Jim or Bob and southern Scotland was and is heavily populated by Anglo Saxons

>>17447640
>and southern Scotland was and is heavily populated by Anglo Saxons
No it wasn't and there were no well known Athelstans in Scotland to have gone near that area
The name of the burn Cogtail is even Gaelic
I accept your utter defeat

>>17447631
He was king of the entire british isles hence his title Rex totius Britanniae and he did invade scotland.

He wasn't really king of all of Britain but the scots and welsh kings did bend the knee so to speak and probably paid him some sort of tribute.

Even if it isn't named after him Athelstan is still an anglo-saxon term. meaning noble stone, so athelstanford translates directly into old english.

>>17447241
The English are more Brythonic than they are Germanic/Saxon and same with the Scots but the Scots are about half Gael. In the south of England even they're at most 30% Saxon/Germanic.

Scots isn't a language either just a dialect.

>>17447661
>Brythonic
All of Britain but Wales was populated by Belgian Gaels
Evidence
Caesars account
Lebhar Gabhala
Pictish king list
Ennius
Placenames of Scotland and Ireland
Archaeology
>>17447667
By the same Irishman who claimed a group of Gauls ran through Scotland and then killed everybody in Ireland

>>17447658
Cool. But Lothian has no Anglo-Saxon influence in it as already well established
Hail archaeology and people who aren't brain-dead

>>17447649
t. William Johnson, pure blooded Pict

>>17447712
Yes apart from my Nubian ancestry

>>17447684
>By the same Irishman who claimed a group of Gauls ran through Scotland and then killed everybody in Ireland

I don't know who's behind that website or if any of that is true. 4,500 year old skeletons have been found in Ireland though and the DNA tested and they're closely related to the modern population of Ireland, Scotland and Wales so that stuff about Gauls you mentioned is probably not true.

>>17447661
We aren't talking about genetics........

The anglo-saxons were descended from brythonics celts, but BUT Fucking BUT they were a germanic society in every other metric.

The anglo-saxons were no north sea germanic. they were a mix. how is this hard for the crayon eating haplo autists to understand. Everysingle ethnic english person has ancestry that goes back into the anglo-saxon period. there are no exceptions. The anglo-saxons self identified as a singular ethnic group by the 700's, as seen with Bedes history of the english people.

The Anglo-saxons had a lot of Brythonic DNA, but they are not Brythonic. they are a NEW ethnic group that was a merger of germanic and Brythonic people and dominated by germanic cultural and linguistic practices. English and lowlanders are both descended from this cultural group.

Also the difference between a dialect and a language is superficial. scots and english have become more similar over time in the modern era so being pedantic is cringe when discussing the historical context. medieval scots was far more divergent, for reasons that should be obvious.

>>17447712
>Johnson

In Ireland there's Johnsons who were originally called Mcshane (son of John) in Irish and it was anglicised as Johnson. Might have happened in Scotland too.

>>17447667
OH NO NO NO SCOTBROS DON’T LOOK

>>17447735
Just call yourselves Brythono-saxons celebrating majority Brittonic admixture.

>>17447762
That's an Irish website

>>17447756
See >>17447684

>>17447765
Any irish source should be automatic and instantly discounted. doesn't matter if it's history, geneology or a cookbook. they have no knowledge and no authority on any matter of interest, animal, vegetable or mineral.

>>17447777
>they have no knowledge and no authority on any matter of interest, animal, vegetable or mineral.
Irish people wrote the best annals

>>17447756
English works fine.

Funny enough the anglo-saxons didn't have dna tests so why would they have celebrated their admixture? A culture and ethnic group isn't defined solely by it's DNA. Lets go back through the list.

> language
germanic
>Religion
initially germanic but later catholic
>customs
Germanic
>mythology
Germanic
Dress
>Germanic
political structure
>Germanic
Architecture
>Germanic
>Social structure
Germanic
>law codes
Germanic
>Art style
Germanic
>Historical narrative
Germanic

that is what they would have seen day to day. that's what their neighbours would have seen day to day.

Please the DNA autists need to stop, how can I make these subhumans understand that societies and ethnic groups are more than just plots on a graph?

>>17447765
Why is it that all genetic studies on the topic are in on the Anglo-Fenian conspiracy to keep the Scottish man down?

>>17447855
>All genetic studies
One by an amateur proposing arguments that don't remotely make sense and the other is not actually based on any generic data

>>17447862
So what’s the real genetic data, Willy?

>>17447291
funny how you are using the english language to shit on england though, blair

>>17447355
And now you are a bitch to Ahmed

>>17447955
Don't know don't care

>>17447792
>Anglo Saxons didn’t know what a family tree was
LOL
>language culture etc
So are black Americans allowed to call themselves Anglo-Saxon as well? They have Germanic admixture and are linguistically and culturally and legally ‘Anglo-Saxon’.
Without the DNA component ethnic group is meaningless.

>>17447735
Naturalized pakis are Germanic in every other aspect too. Should we allow Africans and Asiatics to claim Anglo Saxon heritage if they merely imitate Germanic customs?

>>17448340
They’re Afro-Saxon

>>17447407
>you wrote all this in English.
My ancestors lived along the Rhine and spoke a West Germanic tongue. We invented English.
>if they were actually Celtic
They weren’t. They were Anglo-Saxon because they hadn’t yet been assimilated by the writhing mass of Britons that composes the majority of modern English DNA.
It didn’t randomly change. There really were Germans (who looked like me) living in Albion having sex with teenage girls (who looked like you). Over time they had too much sex and in cross ethnic exchange we gave you our Y DNA and you gave us (not me but my kin) your abysmally high in mutational load genome.
>spelling error
Spelling error?
No one mentioned haplogroups until this post right here.

>>17447400
No. Scotland has Bronze Age continuity. Modern English people have admixture from the Gauls, literal Iron Age French.
Not to mention everyone else after.

I am not Scottish. I like Scottish people because they have redheads.

I am German by blood and American by fate.

>>17448367
>I am German by blood and American by fate.
t. Jayden Rodriguez-Miller

>>17448359
>I’m 0% Anglo-Saxon but also my ancestors invented English and I’m more Anglo-Saxon than you
Scotoid schizophrenia knows no limits

>Al Fred
>AethelSTAN
England was ruled by Arab kings
>Macbeth
>Duncan
PURE SCOTTISH BVLLS

>>17447045
Holy shit, this couldn't be more true! It was just last week that I was hit by a schizo writing walls of text explaining how the Scots colonised North America before the Norse. They truly live off pure heroin up there.

>this whole thread is just some random American schizo without any Scottish blood making retarded arguments
Schizophrenia regarding Scotland knows no bounds

>>17447045
They're a strange combination of having an inferiority complex to a larger neighbour who they're now united with. In Scotland's case they weren't invaded or colonised but peacefully formed a political union. So they schizophrenically claim oppression while also claiming they were always proud independent pioneers.

>>17448437
>>17448373
>>17448375
>in independent observer attempts to educate ethnic partisans out of their primitive folk tales using scientific data

you are like Amerinds who do not accept their ancestors didnt spring from the autochthonous dirt but migrated across Beringia.

You’re not Germanic. If anything my lack of Scottish/English ancestry should clue you into how I do not have a horse in this race.

>>17448466
The scientific data:
>404 error

>>17448466
I’m American too and you’re making us look bad. You have no clue what you’re talking about. You don’t even understand what words like “germanic” mean.

Did they ever recover?

>>17448470
Literally it was linked in the thread twice.
You just don’t like it because it proves the Germanic English a larp.
>>17448480
Germanic is a meaningless term.
All that matters is the people of England are not meaningfully related to the people of Iron Age Germany and Scandinavia.
The people of England are majority Iron Age insular Celts in every meaningful way. They are by blood Iron Age insular celts.

Anyone can imitate a Germanic person
But the Germanic soul rests in Germanic blood and blood alone.

>>17448518
The word “Germanic" is severely impoverished by not having the English in it. Without them they’re Slav tier.

>>17448340
Anglo-saxons did know what family trees were. we have lots of surviving examples from the various royal dynasties of the major and petty kingdoms. all of them only trace the germanic lineage and most of them go back to Wotan and other mythological gods and figures.

>So are black Americans allowed to call themselves Anglo-Saxon as well

The anglo-saxon period ended after 1066. If you weren't born before that you aren't anglo-saxon. Engish people and lowland scots are descended from anglo-saxons but generally we just use the term scottish or english to refer to them in the modern period.

The anglo-saxons were created when two distinct ethnic groups merged. the germanic north sea invaders and the brythonic celts. however their culture was exclusively germanic, as previously stated. how is this hard to understand. the anglo-saxons were not celtic, neither were the anglo-saxons were not north sea germanic.

Now this is going to blow your pea sized brain 'WHEN TWO ETHNIC GROUPS MIX THEY CAN CREATE A NEW ETHNIC GROUP' so what happens when anglo Americans (or indeed British, Irish scots whatever) mixed with african slave populations? did the blacks become english? or did a new ethnic group emerge. one that wasn't quite anglo-but also very much diverged from west africa..........

There is a genetic component to ethnicity but it isn't the only factor. when people say that the english aren't anglo-saxon because they are genetically more celtic they are just focusing on one aspect to the detriment of all the intelligent people in the thread who have to read their increasingly tiresome reductive bullshit.

>>17448524
Yeah, Kant, Beethoven, Mozart, Frederick The Great, Hitler, Charlemagne, Beowulf :), Goethe, Bismarck, Gustavus Adolphus, Germanic/Norse mythology, strongest economy in Europe, highest HDI average in Europe, most scientific breakthroughs per capita and in total number,

Yeah, Actual Germanic countries like Sweden are really impoverished without INGERLUM LOOOOOOOL

You’re an island of fat idiotic ogres who have contributed nothing but your blood as the primary ingredient in ZOGolem magic.

You can embrace your Brythonic blood and have a renaissance of Western Aryan blood and culture along with your Gaelic and Breton kin, or you can continue to larp in which case you will continue to spiral into extinction.

If I were you I would heed the call of Cunobelin and Cassievellanos.
But you won’t because you would rather larp as my people because my people are Based.

>>17448359
might be the most insane post yet. The anglo-saxons refers to the union of the angle kingdoms and the saxon kingdoms in the 9th century. before that they weren't anglo-saxons they were either angles and or saxon or some other tribe independent of one another.

Don't say 'my' and 'we' like you have any connection to these people outside of plotting dna on a spreadsheet.

>>17448537
This is a lot of cope to avoid the simple fact, modern English people do not resemble the Iron Age invaders who subjugated their ancestors.
>Anglo-Saxon actually means Brythonic-German mulatto
I like Thomas but he’s wrong and obviously coping. He’s I1, he wanted to be R1a, he is English, but he is obsessed with Germanic mythology. He married a Swedish woman.
He is intelligent, knowledgeable, and well spoken, but he is coping about the English being Germanic.

Anglo-Saxon means and only means continental West German, a fusion of Angles and Saxons.
It does not include Britons.
English history is a larp.
If you want to take pride in it then take pride in it as Britons.

>>17448560
No one that matters cares about whatever autistic definition of anglo-saxon you came up with after playing with pivot tables in a dark basement in Bumfuck, Idaho, larping faggot.

>>17448560
25-47% of their ancestors are Anglo-Saxons. The English take pride both in Alfred the Great and Boudicca. Idk where you retards get the idea they only go one way or the other ffs

>>17448543
imagine posting rationalist philisophers in a thread about scotland. Empiricism is king in these isles and rationalism is regarded continental shit that has resulted in every disastrous political ideaology going. how did they manage to create both communism, national socialism and stakeholder capitalism.

How did they manage to create the european wars of religion, WW1 and world war 2?

Has a single people done more to destroy and damage europe than the germans? imagine a world with germany? we'd probably have a dyson sphere by now. FML.

Anyway I believe it's:
> 'two world wars and one world cup doodaa. '

>>17448549
>>17448551
>NOOOO YOU ARENT RELATED TO YOUR DIRECT ANCESTORS
Nigel it’s just sad.
Blood is where the soul resides.

I am forever apart of the Germanic Volksgemeinschaft. While the English are not.
Wotan speaks from the forest of the mind to my soul.
Your inner spirit is Cernunnos or Taranis.
As long as you carry on the larp you will never be able to organize because you will be aligned on that spiritual level. Germans are the most revolutionary people in Europe but they manage an organized and peaceful society because they are unified on a spiritual level by a racial archetype.

Your larping prevents your racial archetype from manifesting. That is why you never had a Hitler and never will have a Hitler.


I know it eats away at you, you’re truly a rootless mulatto.

Anglo-Saxon does not circumscribe Britons and therefore excludes modern Englishmen.

>NOOOO YOURE SCHIZO EVOLUTION STOPS AT THE NECK
Naturally the Briton denying his inner self will get upset, he will misunderstand deliberately or out of ignorance this advice I am giving.
Your psychological and spiritual condition is determined by your blood, your blood is who you are.

You are Britons by blood.

>>17447045
Why are you so ableist?

>>17448560
Who the fuck is Thomas? Tommy is the term used to refer to english people, not Thomas?

>Anglo-Saxon means and only means continental West German, a fusion of Angles and Saxons.

The angles and the saxons only merged AFTER both groups have significant Brythonic admixture, you fucking turnip. the anglo-saxons only started referring to themselves as anglo-saxon AFTER they were already partially celtic. 'rex anglorum saxonum' means exactly what it means as it was used by the anglo saxons.

>Hurr Durr, But I think I know better than the actual anglo-saxons

well you don't.

>>17448585
Anon, I know this is hard for mentally ill diasporoids like you to accept, but you really have to find a better way to cope with your identity issues than LARPing.

>Germans are the most revolutionary people in Europe but they manage an organized and peaceful society
What's the percentage of (actual) German citizens under 40 that have at least one foreign-born parent now? 50% wasn't it?

>>17448569
It is irrefutable. The Iron Age war-men who sailed from Germany to Albion and subjugated the Britons are unrelated to modern Englishmen.
That is all I am saying.
>>17448577
In many cases 0% of their ancestors.
In all cases less than half of their ancestors.
ALL Englishmen are more closely related to Boudicca than to Alfred the Great assuming Alfred himself was actually Anglo-Saxon by blood.
>>17448584
>the insular thinker is imposed upon by the world as it is
>the Germanic BVLL imposes his thought upon the world
B A S E D
Like Wotan casting spells the rationalists assert themselves.
>how did the Germans manage to master both creation and destruction
It is the Germanic expression of Soul-memory from the days of Ginungagap when fire and ice clashed in Ymir-heim.

>muh sports
Typical circus obsessed slave.
>we would be heckin sciencing it up on a cucksphere by now if not for heckin Germanics
G O O D

You’re not Germanic and it shows.

>>17448610
> In many cases 0% of their ancestors
It’s not. You keep saying this, but it’s not true.
>ALL Englishmen are more closely related to Boudicca
Englishmen can be anywhere between 11% and 57%. There are plenty of Englishmen in the SE more related to the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans than to Boudicca.

>>17448603
Thomas Rowsell is the most qualified scholar of Anglo-Saxon history in the UK.
He is for the British what those Jews who rebuilt Hebrew were for the Israelis.
>they were mutted by the time they adopted the term “Anglo-Saxon”
They understood they were still mostly Angles and Saxons. That is no longer true of the people calling themselves Anglo-Saxon today.
Thomas Rowsell has convinced himself and other Englishmen that this does not matter and that being insular is built into being Anglo-Saxon.
It’s a larp which is why no gods call to you.
>>17448607
Germany is demographically better off than the UK and the Germans have refused to assimilate the foreigners, meaning they will be easily identifiable which means easily targeted.
The number of German kids with two German parents or two foreign parents are by far the vast majority which means there will always be clear lines for distinction and there will be fewer personal hand ups when ethnic conflict emerges.

We in America shall have to be much harsher and more cruel to even those within our families due to the mixed nature of the Americans not only with Europeans but some with non-Whites. Fortunately for me and my community of Rhenns, Bavarii, Westfals, and Low Saxons (actual Anglo-Saxons btw) we don’t mix with outsiders.

>>17448627
Nope. There are zero Englishmen who share more DNA with Germans from Bremen than with Boudicca.
It is pure larp.

>>17448610
> It is irrefutable. The Iron Age war-men who sailed from Germany to Albion and subjugated the Britons are unrelated to modern Englishmen.
That is all I am saying.
All you’re saying is retarded. The exact men who went over are related to them and not you because they intermixed such that the lower limit for Englishmen is 25% Anglo-Saxon. They’re quite literally of those men. It’s like saying someone’s grandpa isn’t their grandpa when they have other grandparents m.
>muh many have 0%
No, see >>17448494

>>17448629
>We
You're not going to do shit, Kaydyn.

>>17448635
Nigger, I have been posting the most comprehensive dna study on the English people in this thread, which completely refutes you: >>17447381
You’re completely wrong. It’s not even a matter of difference in opinion.

>>17448543
>Kant
Mogged by Anglo-Utilitarianism. Almost single handedly retarded the progress of continental philosophy into the navel gazing drivel it is now, rivalled in this regard only by his fellow germs, Hegel, Nietzsche and Marx. Thus allowing the ANGLOGOD to corner the market of real and scientific philosophy.
> Beethoven, Mozart
Mogged by The Beatles, no one but Asian children listen to these fags. To this day there are MILLIONS of mop haired, beady eyes scouser spawn roaming Hamburg and the surrounding area.
> Frederick The Great
Mogged by Queen Elizabeth, a WOMAN. Even English women mog German "men".
>Hitler
Lost to the ANGLOBVLL and had 1/4th of his country added to the BRITISH EMPIRE
>Beowulf
Written in ENGLAND
>Bismarck
Outmanoeuvred and had the pathetic country he spent his life building destroyed by the ANGLOBVLL mere decades later
> Germanic/Norse mythology
Mogged by Arthurian mythology, an interesting story about a time when the ANGLOGOD actually fought a worthy and noble foe, unlike the world wars.
> strongest economy in Europe
That’s like being the tallest man in The Philippines
> highest HDI average in Europe
That is Ireland, the western outpost of the ATLANTIC RACE
> most scientific breakthroughs per capita and in total number
Okay now subtract the British Isles, North America and the Antipodes from that statistic.
Anyway yeah hundreds of thousands of dead krauts, do it again bomber Harris, 1966, vote Brexit etc.

>>17448639
>are related to them
Nope. You are their rapebabies, that is the extent of the relation.
>not to you
We share 100% of our DNA actually. My family coming from the lower Rhine.
>they’re quite literally those men
Nope. They’re literally those women that my men had sex with.
>>17448640
My name is first name is Greek my middle name Hebrew (VGH) and my surname German.
We are going to obliterate you
War is our racial ability.

>>17448641
That is the study I posted first, the one you posted a single table from and then failed to continue reading.
Those are county averages. There are Englishmen with literally 0% Germanic admixture.

>>17448543
At least pick a photo of someone who didn't consider the English - indeed, the Germanic '''British''' generally - to be supreme Aryans. LOL.

>>17448649
>My first name is Greek
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17448649
>rapebabies
That’s a weird way of saying direct descendants. You do know that when people have sex, they make a baby and they are both parents to that baby? Your ancestors were the townies that stayed behind and didn’t do anything.
>>17448650
I posted >>17447396 text from the study saying modern day Englishmen range from 25% to 47% CNE, the samples for which come from Anglo-Saxons in Northern Germany and Denmark. Go ahead and post the portion of the study that you think supports what you’re saying.

>>17448649
The kraut racial ability is to be the most servile to the Jews of all ethnicities. The personal Rothschild serfs.

>>17448644
Kant was the most original philosopher the human race ever produced.
>can’t even go a single post without mentioning a market
Merchant soul
>the beebs
LOOOOOL
Absolute trash.
The moronic simpanzee wailing of the Anglo weakling, more akin to calves mewling than music. A degraded and ruined form of noise that doesn’t even deserve to be called music. They were popular among stoners because no one with their rational faculties working could tolerate that insipid garbage.
>Elizabeth
You mean the one descended from the Germans or the last Tudor before the Germans took over (we still rule your pale freckled swamp ass to this day)?
>Hitler
Absolutely humiliated the British so hard they gave up their empire just for the chance to indiscriminately bomb German civilians (killing tens of thousands in Lower Saxony, the faces of Hengest and Horses, of Alfred and the Sutton Hoo chief, immolated at Bremen).
Peak Anglonim.
>proud of writing down someone else’s history
I am detecting a running theme here, both the English and the Irish do this.
>more English waxing over the murder of other Europeans
Very Hebraic.
>Arthurian
A legend penned by the French, another western Celtic derived people writing a foreign history… hmmm.
Germanic legends are much more interesting however.
>everyone in Europe is poor so it’s not an achievement to be wealthy in Europe
Self flagellation especially in an attack on other Europeans, very British.
>Ireland
It’s actually Sweden and Iceland, actual Germanic countries but ok.
>subtract the British isles
Yes, I did. Sweden and Germany are the majority of scientific achievers. Even if you combine the rest of the planet including the Russians Americans and English, Sweden and Germany remain on top.
>uhhh we murdered a bunch of your people
We have not forgotten :)
Your faux bravado does not conceal your shame.

We are your betters and your masters.

>>17448687
He should have used that originality to come up with some good ideas instead of raw autism.
> Merchant soul
Poorfag soul
> The moronic simpanzee wailing of the Anglo weakling, more akin to calves mewling than music. A degraded and ruined form of noise that doesn’t even deserve to be called music.
You okay there, m8? You seem like you’re about to blow an artery about the pop classics of four Liverpool lads that between them probably shagged the life out of half the German female population.
> or the last Tudor before the Germans took over
Didn’t realise the Stuarts were German.
> Absolutely humiliated the British
By losing to them?
> >proud of writing down someone else’s history
Beowulf is made up, m8. Monsters and dragons aren’t real.
> Very Hebraic.
The Jews are an intelligent, shrewd, strong people with a rich culture and history. Basically honorary Anglos, only some kind of subhuman with an inferiority complex at their brilliance would hate the Jews.
> A legend penned by the French
Yes the French are also vastly superior to Germongs
> It’s actually Sweden and Iceland, actual Germanic countries but ok.
Only, by the logic you’ve employed ITT, if the English aren’t Germanic then neither is Iceland being about 60% British slave heritage or Sweden being in large part of Finno-Ugric origin.
> Sweden and Germany are the majority of scientific achievers
Okay now subtract the German Jews

>>17448653
>“we are Germanics we swear on our Ancestor McFitzBeowulfgal
>immediately stab their Germanic “kin” in the back on behalf of the Belgae and Gauls
HAHAHAHAAHAHAA
This really is quintessential Keltoi ambush tactics.
Hitler’s only mistake was not first striking England.
>>17448654
>>17448664
>Greek names are too foreign
Yes, notoriously foreign names like Alexander, Philip, Luke, Stephen, Andrew, Nicholas, and Mark.
>>17448666
Yes, rapebabies are direct descendants. However you ignore the fact the English resemble the raped women far more than the rapist men.
>you might be identical to the men who raped us but you’re not their rape baby
You’re right. I am not a rape baby. I am descended from romantic and loving relations between Lower Saxon BVLLs and their Bremen queens.

There are Englishmen who possess no German admixture. Simple as. No need to get angry over it. It’s not my fault you fail to grasp what an average is.
>>17448674
Racial buff to war fighting racial debuff to diplomacy. That is why when we go to war it always against the rest of the planet. Wouldn’t be fair otherwise.
>>17448682
Those are Anglos. We produced Hitler.
You produced Churchill.
We threw out the Jews.
You gave them a country.
The most servile slavish shabbos Americans are all Anglos.
The Anglo South, where they relied upon slave labor because they were too dumb to industrialize, to this day is the largest support base for Israel larger than Israel itself.
More Anglos support Israel than actual Jews.
Peak Shabbos.

>>17448715
tl;dr lol

>>17448715
Israel and the CSA are based

>>17448715
> There are Englishmen who possess no German admixture. Simple as. No need to get angry over it. It’s not my fault you fail to grasp what an average is.
You still haven’t posted the portion of that study that refutes me. I’m probably just being trolled. I’ll check in periodically until you post the portion refuting what I said, but it’s not worth further engagement outside of that.

Is this Sigismund Steinhauser?

>>17448715
>Racial buff to war fighting racial debuff to diplomacy. That is why when we go to war it always against the rest of the planet. Wouldn’t be fair otherwise.
Translation:
>We’re belligerent retards on par with Africans

Scots share the same problems as Canadians, constantly trying to differentiate themselves from their more powerful and influential southern neighbor.

>>17448692
I like how the British sector looks like it’s hiding behind the American sector.
>it took four world empires to bring you down
True. We Germans are just that good.
>>17448712
>uhhh this idea isn’t making me shekels therefore it’s autistic
In place of his native soul this golem has a Hebrew inhabiting him.
>poor
Germany is wealthier than the UK.
>more cope about the beeds
Is this another Robby Williams moment where the English believe the rest of the world cares about their obscure show tune peddlers?
>but they had sex
I can see why they are revered by the degenerate Englishcel LOL
>the Stuarts
I look at the king of England today and I see a German male looking back.
>losing to them
We lost to 85% of the planet, the English played a minor role and every time we fought them we demolished them.
>Beowulf is made up
Sorry m8. But they found Heorot and the people in Beowulf are recorded in historical records taken down in continental Europe.
Troy (discovered by a German) was in fact real, just like Heorot.
Germans, making magic real, the power of Wotanic rune-magic conquering Anglo reductive skepticism.
>Jews are le good
Is that why you are going extinct as repayment for giving them a country?
>the French
The people whom we fathered in the Bronze Age, terrorized in the Iron Age, ruled in the Middle Ages, exterminated in the Baroque, and conquered (three times) in the Modern?
Napoleon (Italian not French) did not even defeat us as many times as we defeated the French.
>Iceland
Iceland is genetically one of the most Germanic countries. Iceland has more Middle Ages Germanic than Norway.
It is a stereotype that Iceland was settled by Vikings with Celtic slave girls. The Icelanders are genetically 65-85% Swedish Bronze Age, the highest level of Swedish Bronze Age (proto-Germanic) of all Germanic people.
Not a single study will put Icelanders anywhere near 60% British isles.

>>17448721
>Anglos reminding us why their literacy was consistently lower than German states
we knew this already.
>>17448723
Based on slavery, miscegenation, and treachery.
>>17448726
the study is already linked. Anyone who wants to see can see for themselves. They have samples which are 0% Germanic.
>>17448731
Sigi is based and has a wife and kid now.
>>17448734
One thing we have in common with Africans is we BTFO the French and the English LOL
Actually in WWI German-lead Africans were never defeated, fighting an enemy that outnumbered them by a factor of 15:1 (this is worse than the eastern front btw) we didn’t lose a single battle and Vorbeck never surrendered.

Valor does not require a translation.

>>17448644
You neglected to add
>Goethe
Eternally mogged by Shakespeare.

>>17448842
Shakespere wrote for peasants and was loved by peasants, Goethe wrote for himself and was loved by Aristocrats and Conquerors like Napoleon.

>>17448629
If insular celts break off of the Germanic larp, such a glorious future awaits. Demographic replacement only affects hubs of Germanic landing sites. Celts can literally dodge white genocide by reclassifying themselves. It's actually insane.

>>17448649
>we
You're embarrassing other Americans. You are not "german", you are an American with german ancestors, who confuses simple terms like "german" and "germanic", with two quite different meanings.

>>17449110
Where has anyone confused German with Germanic?
You are pushing this on the hopes that someone will read this post and disregard my posts because you are unable to argue against my posts due to my mastery of the facts.
>>17449106
They can’t do it because Celts are by nature extremely arrogant and the English being racial celts have this racial arrogance and they will literally go extinct just to prove to (who???) they are “Germanic”.
Nothing ever changes, like in the days of Caesar when the Keltoi were too arrogant to band together to fight off a single army, so it is today the Keltoi are too arrogant to band together to fight off small factions of non-Whites.

>>17449125
the british people are the least arrogant on the planet. they literally let foreigners take over their country in the name of tolerance. the brits are famously self deprecating, self hating and humourous people on the planet.

Compare that to the germans, french, italians and spanish. bro, the continent is like the arrogance Olympics.

>>17449450
The British allowed all of that because they are arrogant they won’t allow anyone else to win the cuckOlympics.
The British think they’re better than other Europeans when the truth is they are on the level of Spain or France, they aren’t on par with Germany.

>>17448577
>25-47% of their ancestors are Anglo-Saxons.
Bullshit.

So there's no real consensus on how "Anglo-Saxon"-Scandinavian modern native Brits are? I've seen a couple studies of A-S period graves showing the dead were anywhere from 0%-50% "genetically" the same as Danish graves from the same period.
How genetically different could ancient/bronze age Britons be from bronze age Scandis anyway? Was there any migration between these peoples before the A-S migrations?

https://www.visitscotland.com/info/see-do/ruthwell-cross-p254741

>Thought to date back to around AD 680, this magnificent cross is one of the most famous and elaborate Anglo-Saxon monumental sculptures.

>The ancient Ruthwell Cross stands some 18 feet high and is the focal point of the beautiful Ruthwell church, in Dumfriesshire. Featuring intricate inscriptions in both Latin and, more unusually for a Christian monument, the runic alphabet, the Ruthwell Cross is inscribed with one of the largest figurative inscriptions found on any surviving Anglo-Saxon cross.
How do Scottish Anglo-Saxon deniers cope with this?

>>17450083
that's the shit right there, can we please have more of this and way less autism and faggotry?

>>17450100
https://aberladyanglesdotcom.wordpress.com/anglo-saxon-aberlady/

>Anglian expansion into the Lothians began during the reign of Ethelfrith (AD 592-616), who had defeated the Gododdin at Catterick in around AD 600. In around AD 603 he defeated King Aedan of Dalriada at Degsastan, an unidentified battle ground probably in the lower Tweed basin or in Liddesdale. Two key historical events bookmark the Anglo-Saxon period in the Lothians: in AD 638 Edinburgh was besieged by Oswald, king of Northumbria; and in AD 973 Edgar of Wessex ceded Lothian to the Scottish king, Kenneth II.

>>17450083
>>17450113
it's quiet interesting that both celts and nords get their engraving styles super detailed and defined later in their time

>>17450083
>A single monkish stone exists so billions died
>>17450113
>Edinburgh
Wrong, the statement isn't very clear on where it was and likely couldn't have been Edinburgh

>>17450149
It's Christian

>>17450217
no shit sherlock, the engraving style and pattern aren't though

>>17450221
Calm down incel

>>17450256
lulz, did you get lost on your way to plebbit?

>>17450199
>A single monkish stone exists so billions died
What?

>>17450279
You have claimed Scotland was conquered by Angles because you know of a single monkish stone

>>17450292
The Ruthwell Cross is proof that there were Anglo-Saxons in what is now Scotland.

>>17450326
Yes, and there were Irishmen in England and even apparently native Gaels surviving until Christian Anglo-Saxon times

Scottish Americans are way more based than real Scottish people, also probably more ethnically highland on average

>>17447127
I swear I have seen this exact post multiple times

>>17447270
>>17447274
>>17447281
>>17447286
Edinburgh comes from a Welsh name you absolute retards
>Din Edin
It was the capital of the Gododdin a Welsh people who held a kingdom of the same name.
I swear everyone on this board is a genuine idiot

>>17450493
Look up where “-burgh” comes from.

>>17450508
Wow a new population group moves into an area and starts calling a place with a name more suitable for their tongue, imagine my shock!
Doesn't change the fact that the name is Welsh in origin
Thanks for outing yourself to be a fool

>>17450517
>Wow a new population group moves into an area and starts calling a place with a name more suitable for their tongue, imagine my shock!
That’s the entire point. That’s what we’ve been talking about, but you completely missed the point because you’re autistic and skimmed the thread instead of reading it. Anglos moved there and took the native name and changed it, which is evidenced by the “-burgh” suffix. The whole name, Edin- and -burgh, is from two sources.

>>17450493
based Welsh BVLL

>>17450493
>Welsh
Probably not since no other Welsh or Cymric names exist around it
>>17450493
>Din Edin
No proof that it was Edinburgh since nothing but Gaelic can be traced there and later documents about Scottish conquests of it don't mention Cymric people

>>17450593
>Scots are taking the blacks and muslims with them.
This is ironic, right?

>>17450508
12th century English in Scotland
>>17450529
>Anglos
Probably done by the king himself

>>17450591
>No proof that it was Edinburgh since nothing but Gaelic can be traced there and later documents about Scottish conquests of it don't mention Cymric people
Except pieces of literature, Romans putting the Gododdin controlling the area there and so on.
By the time the Scottish conquests happened it was firmly in the grasp of the Anglo-Saxons

>>17447045
>Schizo
Made up jew word to attack high IQs.
B8 thread.
>>17447059
>>17447127
>>17447178
Stop feeding these retards.

>>17450606
>the time the Scottish conquests happened it was firmly in the grasp of the Anglo-Saxons
Yes and they also like the cymric rulers left no trace outside of these books
Gododdin also just means "Below the Otadinians" or Otadinia

>>17450616
Scots leid never fails.

>>17450667
That's English from London...

>>17450083
This old stone from a thousand years ago proves you’re actually German

>>17450493
Okay now translate that into Anglo-Saxon

>>17447661
>Scots isn't a language either just a dialect.
Factually wrong.

>>17450700
Which old stone?

>>17451077
Anyone who can imitate Fat Bastard from Austin Powers is fluent in Scots. The South Park guys accurately wrote all the dialogue for Chefs parents in Scots without even stepping foot in Scotland.
If you showed up in Scotland and tried speaking Scots to anyone they would obviously assume this is some cruel, mean spirited parody of their accent and not an attempt to speak a language.
It’s total bullshit, even any Scotsman with two brain cells to rub together knows that.

>>17451088
Scots ≠ Scottish dialect English. Scots emerges from (Northumbrian) Old English, whereas Middle English develops through influence from Norman French (and French speakers attempting to speak a simplified version of English because they didn't care about becoming fluent). Historically, English and Scots speakers have been unable to communicate. Modern Scots has become understandable, because of the absorbtion of English vocabulary beginning in the 1600-1700s, but a language isn't vocab alone.

Short version: If English and Old English are different languages, then so is Scots.

>>17449558
*Whistles
G25bros do your thing

>>17451104
But it’s not, Scots actually diverged as a dialect from early Middle English, is substantially more intelligible for modern readers than Old English if dimly so, and then since the 15th century it’s been slowly homogenising with English in the rest of Britain. When people simply say Scots they’re not talking about medieval early Scots, they’re talking about Rab Burns era Scots at the absolute earliest if not modern Scots.

>>17451104
Can you give us an example of 16th century Scots?

>>17451230
Looks about right except that English having less Germanic than the Scottish is quite odd.

>>17451269
it is odd because at the same time the English have less insular Celt, the English are literally less Germanic and simultaneously less native to the British Isles.
It is the Iron Age Belgae/Gaul according to the 2022 study, they came in multiple waves, primarily females, which likely means these were women possibly with ties across the water or just fleeing in desperation, based on the age, that they are female, and that they contributed in great substance in multiple large pulses rather than a constant inflow I think it was caused by the Roman and Frankish forays into Gaul, women packed up and left for Britain while the men stayed behind to fight.

The more things change the more they stay the same.
Where's that Putin/Caesar picture when you need it?

>>17451281
Did anyone ever doubt the Irish were the most British of the Celts?

>>17447127
>saxon derived
stop being a daft cunt
english are celts in denial

>>17447735
>>17447241
Holy cope, less than 15% of British men are I1A. If you arent I1A then you arent Germanic. You're a R1B Gaul in denial.

>>17451417
>britbong gaulcucks got btfo
>irish fought and won their independence
irish are god's chosen people evidently

>>17451421
Sissy femboy haplogroup for R1BVLLS

>>17451269
English are literally Britons/Celts larping as Germanics. Scots also have higher frequency of blue eyes. English are swarthy and dark like Mr Bean.

>>17451269
Its not odd at all. The English have been larping as Germanics for centuries. The only things the English have in common with Germanics is a language, that's it. Anglo Saxons got destroyed by Celto-Nordic BVLLS anyway, they are a sad larp culture.

>>17451133
>McPartlin
Every famous Chad or Stacy is Irish or at least half Irish, its actually nuts.

>>17451444
The best formula for a Chad is 1/4 Scottish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Dutch, and 1/4 English. Clint Eastwood and Chris Hemsworth are this combination for example. Pan-North Europeans tend to have more hybrid vigor.

>>17451454
>1/4 Scottish, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Dutch, and 1/4 English
So 90% celt dna and maybe 10% germanic dna in other words.

>>17451417
>english are celts in denial
If the English called themselves Celts the Irish and Scots would seethe.

>>17451465
All of Western Europe and about 50% of Central Europe are Celt. Nords are about 25%-33%. The white genetics in these areas have not really changed since the Gaul days. Venice was named after the Veneti tribe. Paris after the Parisi. Kent/Canterbury after the Cantiaci etc. Everyone from Irish to the Aosta Valley are Celts really, or at least majority so.

>>17451465
Celt is already abused to meaninglessness, it’s only really relevant to linguistics and comparative mythology. Otherwise it’s basically just LARP. There are Gaels, the are Britons and there are Anglo-Saxons. There was never a time in history where Britons and Gaels thought “Yes, we are both Celtic and that means something”, they did not even know they themselves were Celtic. It was generally believed that Celts went extinct with the Roman Empire until it was realised that Welsh is probably somewhat related to the language spoken by the Gauls, and also that Welsh is somewhat related to Irish. Celtic brotherhood shit is mainly predicted on mutually seething at England and jerking off about left wing politics but with LARP on the side.

>>17451483
Also neither Gaels or Britons are actually very closely related to continental Celts, primarily descending from pre-Celtic islanders. When talking about Celts as a language group, or Celts as an ethnic group that includes continental Europeans, that’s to speak about two completely different sets of people.

>>17447263
big win today!

Its clear Celts are descended from a very ancient Aryan Steppe culture. The Romans noted how the Britons still used chariots. 3000 year old tartan textiles have been found in North China.

Basically all of Western Europe was sired by various brother tribes of the same group of group of proto Celts or whatever. The ones who mixed with Iron Age Spanish women became swarthier. The ones who mixed with the settlers now known as the Tuatha de Dannan became fairer. Basically whatever women they mixed with affected their phenotypes. You even have the Bashkirs now whose Y chromosome is identical to Irish but look weirdly Mongoloid due to Asian mtdna. Chinggis Khan's dad was an R1B Celtic man with red hair. Yesugei/Chinggis/Temujin sounds similar to Gaelic words. Akhenaten and Tutankhamun were R1B too. If they looked different to modern Celts it will be down to their mother's dna.

>>17451483
Gaels, Celts, Britons and Anglo Saxons are literally one and the same people. The division between them has been stoked by people set out to divide and weaken the white race.

>bong set out to prove he's anglo saxon
>found out he's 80% briton
Many such cases.

>>17447741
Less than 15% of Bongs are of Germanic paternal extraction. Its mostly confined to Norman areas, and areas the Vikings raided. The rest are R1B. A large portion of Anglo Saxons were also R1B.

>>17451483
>Celtic brotherhood shit is mainly predicted on mutually seething at England and jerking off about left wing politics but with LARP on the side.
It's grim, because I love Celtic languages and histories of various Celtic peoples, but absolutely hate this leftist, victim-mentality faggotry.

>>17451454
Autistic bullshit.

>>17451556
Cry harder faggot, whiney bitch.

>>17451556
The English, like Jews, manage to make themselves victims wherever they go.
t. Frenchman