>>104002431
I'm spending my 20s partying in budapest, sorry.

>>104002440
enjoy being bossed around by some 28 year old when you’re 40.
>anon has your old ass fixed the bug
>n-no I’m still working on the ticket before
>well hurry up gramps you’re slowing us down. Old people can’t code I fr fr no cap on God

>>104002431
lol

Yeah, none of this matters. Even the highly conservative prediction markets are saying Actual Unironic Singularity No Later Than 2040.

>>104003069
man that is so fucked, lmao.

>>104003069
Found this stat the other day. Brutal.
https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2025/01/the-unusual-shape-of-the-beveridge-curve
>Since 2015, the fraction of workers poached from other firms to fill vacancies has risen significantly and has been as high as 80% of advertised job openings.

The number of jobs being filled by people who already had jobs accounts for 80% of all job openings. Including ALL advertised jobs, meaning it includes those that never hired anyone, were purely on paper to facilitate outsourcing, etc. The unemployed mass only gets hired into <20% of the openings...

>>104002431
>be a slave in your 20s so that you can be a more efficient slave in your 50's
I don't get it

>>104002431
Instead I'll spend (have spent, I'm 27) my 20s masturbating

>>104002431
This is only weird if you live under the weird delusion that being more aged means you have automatically more authority, that you cannot receive orders from someone less aged from you. People have this weird programming about authority and hierarchy deeply ingrained within them.
Everyone has a different career, different ambitions, different needs, and different aptitudes. A system entirely based on hierarchy enforced on some stupid metrics like your age is simply stupid.
You can be a young adult and be pretty fucking competent at what you do. And you can also be an old fart that is so incompetent that it's even a wonder you're still working.

>>104002499
Zoomers have a mini meltdown if they have to program without a framework or use a library they consider unfashionable.

>>104003401
many such cases.

>>104003487
Because that's how it used to be. Experience pretty much decided how competent a person was at their role in anything for 99.9% of (pre)history. Only in the past few generations have we begun to generate new information so rapidly it's common to fall behind. I think there's a human instinct to regard the old as capable and wise and the young as incompetent and foolish. It's a cultural trope that extends back as far as recorded history goes but I think there's something actually hard-wired there.

>>104003069
fucking lol what the fuck is going on

>>104002431
these people are really fucking delusional. Do zoomers really believe in the past people over 30 didn't work doing that shit? I knew a 60yr old man who had to walk to a store to be a fucking door greater. I remember having a 50yr old man push carts with me and he was funny af too. He was to poor to fix his pants so one day some lady complained his balls were hanging out. One of my very best friends was an ex-truck driver who was in his 60s who I watched movies on VHS with and hung around with worked in my gardening department. I'd help them all out when I could. Fucking swear all these fuckheads talk about being helpful and kind to people but they are absolute fucking shitheads to everyone.

>>104003523
>be human
>make tools
>tools make work easier
>less humans needed to do work
>hire less humans
woooooow how was i supposed to knooooow

No seriously, the "automation creates more jobs" meme was always 100% bullshit and makes zero fucking sense if you think about it for more than two seconds

>>104003520
>I think there's something actually hard-wired there
The only possible thing I could accept is that this viewpoint is only gotten from our childhood, where your parents, then your school environment, acts as a way to teach you values and what's right and wrong. At that stage of your life you pretty much have no authority on your own and authority figures are automatically decades older than you.
It doesn't make it any more logical to pursue this value system when it comes to work though.
By the time you leave education (traditional or certs based) you are more or less at everyone's level in terms of knowledge. The only things that possibly separates you further from colleagues are two things: aptitude, and experience. That's where the loyalty and authority-via-age comes from. But that does not work especially in fields like IT where the new stuff comes out rapidly and you need to keep up. Thus the only thing now that separates us is raw competence and aptitude for new things. That's also noting the fact that people are willing to change careers and don't hesitate to get the fuck away from unfulfilling career choices much more early.
All in all this is a good thing. Why should I listen to old fucks just because they're old? Why would anyone listen to me in the future if the only thing I have to show as authority is the fact I'm going to die of old age much sooner than them? Fuck that kind of logic, especially in IT.

>>104003520
The thing is that is how it SHOULD be but we don't live in the time anymore. People can be the most competent old people on earth and you'll still end up in the shitter. >>104003487 is wrong. I'd say the majority of people now days are all just a stones throw from being in the situation these retards are talking about. It's actually insanely insulting and probably rage bait posting in OPs image. Some zoomer faggot talking about peoples lives like we don't live in literal hell. Then that other retard zoomer chiming in. I swear to fuck no other generation is this fucking narcissistic and retarded. At least baby boomers were smarter then this shit. Can zoomers just take two fucking seconds without being fucking retards?

>>104003601
It is hard-wired and it should be that way but it isn't anymore. It used to be you could stay at a company your entire life and be safe or at least somewhat safe from having to deal with the younger generation besides training them. Kind of funny how zoomers expect this probably due to there baby boomer or genx parents who got into the fields before everything went to shit.

>>104003487
this is how it is for foreigners, whereas in america we grow up with the idea that income decides seniority

>>104002499
Why would I care? I didn't waste my best years working like those dumbasses are.

>>104003601
I think you're right, I was just making an observation about history. Even the school and family environments you mention come from pre-contemporary traditions, devised in a time when middle-aged people knew pretty much all practical knowledge they'd ever need and it was difficult to ever "fall behind".
I think what you describe is a cultural change that's been happening over the 20th and 21st centuries, the historically typical rebelliousness of the young vs. the old has gained a new weapon in that younger people not only have physical, but educational and even technological advantages over the old now. Yet the social system hasn't caught up and geriatrics still hold all the money, property, and power.

>Why would anyone listen to me in the future if the only thing I have to show as authority is the fact I'm going to die of old age much sooner than them?
And if you look at this in reverse, it's a dire portent for the future. From the old generation's point of view: why should I care about the younger generation's future if I'm going to die of old age before it comes to pass? The traditional answer was "for your children", or some sort of social contract where the young defer to the old and wait their turn... look how many families are childless or parentless now, and how the social contract is ripped apart. The elderly still control all the institutions but have no reason to wield them for future generations' benefit. Then they wonder why young people have no faith in institutions.

>>104003624
>>104003643
You claim I am wrong, yet you appeal to "this is how things should be" without explaining why.
You have constructed a mental hierarchical model based on authority provided to you according to which generation you live in. Zoomers to you have less competence than people from previous generations. Why is that?
You claim that loyalty to a company is the ultimate value there is when it comes to work. That's not how the world works. There are multiple studies proving that loyalty to a single workplace *invariably* means you will earn less. If that's how the market operates, why the fuck should I uphold that as absolute value? The market is okay with trashing you out over competence and other metrics, so why do you insist on keeping that old model alive in your head?

>>104003562
i've seen some high iq libertarian types say that comparative advantage means that technology will not make humans jobless.

so they're probably correct.

>>104003675
>Be old, rich and wise.
>Look at the “youth”
>It’s mutts, niggers, spics and jeets who are quite literally borderline retarded.
Are you really expected to care, or just take another cruise around Europe? I try to see it from the boomer perspective, it’s pretty grim for them too.

>>104003679
>yet you appeal to "this is how things should be" without explaining why.
It should be this way because that is how aging works. You grow more knowledgeable as you age. Elders etc. You get better. Not everyone is like that but that is how it used to be where a company or business would take younger people pare them with older more experienced people to teach them how things work. There is a reason why 18yr olds are not teaching math or whatever the fuck at MIT. It's also much more then raw knowledge its teaching people social soft skills as well.

>>104002431
Aren't the ones partying also the ones with rich parents and in the best colleges?

>>104003685
"Jobless" is science-fantasy of course, but you don't need to eliminate all jobs. You don't even need to eliminate any jobs. You just need to use technology to make existing labor more efficient. This depresses hiring and labor participation will drop all by itself. You don't need to use the word "will" or "might" here, since this is currently happening.

Technology confers comparative advantage on those who wield it, so I'm not sure what their theory there is. I can understand cases like e.g. it's probably cheaper to hire two guys to fix your roof than to develop roof-fixing robots... but I'm sure people said the same thing about automobiles and cotton gins in the past, too. Eventually technology catches up. Unless you envision a future where technological progress peaks and ceases meaningful progress. Or labor becomes absurdly cheap, but considering world population is leveling off I don't see that happening.

>>104003679
>loyalty to a single workplace *invariably* means you will earn less.
Also not everything is about money you retard. Some people like where they work for work life balance type stuff maybe they like their boss a lot? You really don't get it. I would wager you are some uneducated zoomer faggot who can't take two seconds to actually think why people would do things. Use your fucking brain.

>>104003706
Yeah, I get it. But then you have both the young and the old looking at their own society and deciding they don't really give a shit what happens. How does such a society continue itself? I guess you're right, just try and make your life as much like a cruise ship as possible, enjoy hedonism as much as you can because that's all there is. I knew young people were thinking this way but it didn't occur to me even their parents and grandparents might have the same vision of the future. (that is to say, nothing)

>>104003714
In my view, the only thing you reliably get with old age is more time to reflect on your life and who you are as a person. You've had more time thinking about how you want life to be and plan around your needs, and people who are in your life that matter to you. Doing so makes you a more confident person overall. That is a valuable skill in a workplace and thus makes you more wise. Those soft skills are pretty important especially for positions you mention, like a math teacher at MIT.
But it doesn't make you any more competent hard skills wise. There's a vicious diminishing returns effect with hard skills in IT. You'll always manage to be behind, and the one you'll be behind from will somehow be a 18 year old from south korea or some shit. You cannot fight that sort of thing, and that's why we have a change of values on our hands.
>>104003739
I don't really care about money myself, but this is how a lot of people new to tech actually base their decision. I do a lot of recruiting, and a lot of recently graduated students will not hide the fact they're in tech for the money. They tend to leave pretty quickly. The world around us has changed and it's time to accept it.

>>104003766
That’s the problem. I think both sides see that the situation is bleak and it’s worse for the zoomer because he has longer to live. That’s why they turn to vaping and drugs, and the boomer drinks and gorges on “great food” on yet another vacation.

Maybe we’re just bored as a species? If we had more planets colonize perhaps that would serve to organize the best of us into being the best versions of ourselves. Even the British would stop being cucked if new opportunities to colonize appeared on the horizon.

>>104002431
Tell me why threads like this are being crossposted from /pol/
>>>/pol/495100435

>>104002499
when I'm 40 years old I'll have a jeet to use as a footrest after AI makes them obsolete

>>104003739
I think you aren't seeing the viewpoint the new generation has. Everything IS all about money, actually. Because time is money. If you don't rack up a lot of money fast enough you won't be able to buy a home and have a family before you're too old. And the means of doing that puts you in debt and eats almost your entire young-adult life. It's a race against time, and young people are losing. The average age of a first-time home buyer in the United States is 38. There simply isn't time to kick back and enjoy your "work-life balance" or your wonderful boss when you're racing against real estate prices.

Unless of course, you give up, and accept you won't have the life your parents' generation did. And when everyone starts doing that at once, you get the "crisis of competence", AKA nobody dedicating attention or effort to their work because their career doesn't really have a long-term purpose anymore and nobody seems to care how anything turns out.

>>104003831
you may be shocked to find that twitter screenshot posters and /pol/tards have a lot of overlap

>>104003831
It’s almost as if an outside group wants to spread demoralization on twitter and 4chan.

>>104003804
My pet theory is that it's a decline in quality of life, probably ultimately stemming from fucked up wealth distribution. If people had faith that their lives would be better than their parents', then they might try and make sure their children's lives are better than theirs. (and actually have children for that matter)

Millennials had/have worse lives than their parents so the next generation expects theirs will be worse too, so why bother? It goes from a positive, constructive cycle to a vicious cycle of nihilism and hedonism.

I always think it's a wealth distribution problem because, well, money = quality of life and a tiny handful of people have most of the money, seems like a no-brainer.

>>104003847
You're pretty close to how I view it too. Really until you've talked to a lot of young people graduating in tech fields, you cannot realize how many of them think life is a race to rack up money. They see this enormous mountain to overcome to hope to have a good life.
Where I disagree is that jobs have to be a competence race if it isn't about the money. It's about giving sense to people in their life. If you have employees who don't program in your company because they seriously like the product and they're invested in it on a value basis, you'll end up with demotivated people or turnover will increase.
Nowadays a good manager isn't one that displays authority and wields their age as means to assert dominance over their colleagues, like OP pic implies. A good manager is someone that can give a clear vision to everyone, and get everyone on the same page from a value standpoint. Their only authority is a value-based one, not a competence one. That's why a lot of employees are vastly superior in terms of competence than their managers, but are not managers. If you are willing to give up the old way of thinking of hierarchy within a business, you will be happier in the workplace, and you won't have this sense you're battling against the machine. That's how I feel.

>>104003085
Your fault for being born white. Should have been born with some color in your skin.

>>104003893
I think that makes sense. The authority approach used to work, because there was an implicit belief that following orders would result in prosperity and success, i.e. if you just "did your job" you'd have a successful career and at least afford most of the things a flourishing 20th century adult wanted. Now that's simply not enough and the younger generation knows it. You can "do your job" for years and still be stuck living with your parents. Employees have to actually be convinced the juice is worth the squeeze. The OP pic portrays workers as "at the beck and call of others", but are they really? What for? There's no good reason to live that way. It won't buy you a house any faster. The rewards authority once offered no longer exist, so the implicit faith in authority is gone, and with it goes concepts like "company loyalty". I guess the upside is, yes, everyone has to actually buy in on values instead of blindingly following the leader. Then again, I wonder if that's a less efficient way to run a company.

I'm turning 28 next month and I still haven't been able to find a decent job.
God I should McNutt myself

>>104004013
the only good reason to operate within a system where leader = orders, is if the work itself requires quick response, or if lives could be lost if you don't act quickly. Think the military. Any other job, especially in tech, needs other types of leaderships to function.
It doesn't prevent people from acting like OP's pic, where your managers will bark orders at you and expect you to follow, especially in shitty jobs, because they know you don't have any options. In tech you have options, so they have to keep you with other values, and the employee has more power within the business as an entity, even if it's literally their first day. That's why I started this whole thread saying the world we live in is infinitely better, if you drop antiquated concepts of power and authority. The only people who don't agree are people who are scared or who have a really shitty employer, and the world is full of those people.

>>104002431
I'm 30 and I'm practically in the same work position (staff accountant) in the same company for the last 6 years. started when I was 24

it's over

>>104003831
I know you are new to 4chan but you will always have retards who make the exact same thread on multiple boards at the same time

>>104003523
Hitler lost the war.

>>104003867
Reality is demoralizing so let's just not talk about it :^)

>>104002440
this. Budapest has a great party scene

>>104002431
https://youtu.be/AkhOXG-xaxQ

>>104003685
What like Caplan inbetween unrestricted immigration apologetics?

>>104003523
the death of training and onboarding

>>104004167
Do you suck at your job?

>>104002431
Idk I work in a union shop so it's pretty common to see a 60 year old man nearing retirement in a position that's really for 30 year old guys with 10 years of experience if I really stretch what their job's credentials are.

>>104002431
So what does this mean for all the zoomers with computeritis since their teenage years that have failed to complete school or get a job, instead spensing time destroying their health by working at the computer all night, playing games and masturbating into their 20's?

>>104003523
Capitalism reaching its final form: Those with the capital control everything. The horseshoe is being completed, we're just a few steps away from a complete monopolistic economy that sets prices according to whims of elites. literally the same thing as communism
But some blue-haired feminists got pissed off so it's worth it, right?

>>104003939
>Should have been born with some color in your skin.
White means you have all the colors in it, numnutz.

>>104002431
I was the new guy in my 30s, ageism really played in my favour. I'm seen as a more skilled and more knowledgeable worker than a 24 year old that was a new guy at the same time as me.

>>104003736
Yep. It's funny how people are in denial here and outside. They think more certs, more education, more xxx... will solve everything lol. Here is the truth: only nepotism gets you a good place in society and you don't need to lift a finger nor be competent, while the plebians are fighting among themselves to be the best slave for their owners.
It's not grim, it's a fucking nightmare where the rich is getting richer and more powerful by the minute, while the poor - despite being 1000x productive than his predecessor - can't barely feed himself because there are a hundred of slaves (local and imported) competing with his position. All of this was manufactured by the people in power, to make people like you and me never able to climb the social ladder. Future generations will be raised like cattle and their collar will be UBI. Enjoy your future.

>>104003487
t. never had a yoda / uncle iroh / old knight in game of thrones / etc figure in his life

>>104004878
take it back to r*ddit, trotsky

>>104004928
>Born into a wealthy Jewish family in Ukraine
You don't know what you're talking about

>>104004952
youre stirring up union shit on at least 3 boards right now. post nose.

>>104002431
I'm 36, worked in the last company for 14 years and just swapped companies last October. I'm the "new" guy and I'm working as administrator and project manager with an entire department below me who started to respect me in the first 2 weeks I've been here.
Tell me how being the "new" guy is bad exactly? Is it because your entire world revolves around being the eternal code monkey?
I've got a hot tip for you: Stop being a code monkey and start a real job.

>>104002499
If it were this blatant and you were 45 or over, you could sue for age discrimination. $$$

>>104004390
>we have entered late stage capitalism, the revolution will happen in two weeks
Karl Marx, 1868

>>104003520
It was that way by law, and is a large part why society remained stagnant for centuries. As soon as we enacted meritocratic reforms society advanced more in one generation than it had in 500 years previous.

>>104002431
These people are retarded and immature. They think work is college in perpetuity. People switch jobs and start new careers all the time. A lot of this is young people seeing older people as a threat because on average they possess a bunch of desirable qualities that young people don’t have yet.

>>104002431
I'm a late 30s career switcher with paid off house and a great credit score. I couldn't give a fuck what cunts think.

>>104002431
>you dont want to be the new guy in your 30s
if you're actually careermaxxing you will be the 'new guy' every 2-3 years.

>>104003085
did you ever think for a second that maybe white people are older on average and that the pandemic pushed some retirements ahead of schedule? By 2030 all boomers will be retirement age. The elder boomers are in their late 70s. Meanwhile the millennials were the last white majority generation. Gen Z is ~45% white.

No. It's actually so much worse than you think it is.

>>104007629
It's about as steep as the dive in 2001, and the graph looks like that dive started in the 90s

>>104007143
>Tell me how being the "new" guy is bad exactly? Is it because your entire world revolves around being the eternal code monkey?
a key aspect of being in your teens and early 20s is thinking youre the smartest human ever and good at everything, despite the overwhelming evidence in your life that it isnt true. people this young would rather unironically die than put themselves through the imagined humiliation.

this is doubly true for chronically online people.

>>104007796
yeah those stats are nuts. the average nip is like 50 and the average bean is like 14

>>104007843
The best mental change in my career was accepting that I knew nothing about IT. I knew enough to get by, but if hard pressed about a lot of different things, I just don't know. Life gets easier and anyone can become your teacher with this philosophy.
it's not humiliating to admit you have shit to learn, it's a powerful state of mind

>>104008019
i can do it
>call and ask if computer is on
>assume 3 grown humans are wrong about a computer being on
>drive 30 miles across town in traffic to push a button
>IT problem fixed

>>104008019
its the best mental change anyone can make in their life for real

>>104003395
>spend the smallest bit of energy in your 20s so that you can retire by the time youre 50
Ftfy

>>104002431
who cares? work is a massive inconvenience that i barely tolerate, it is purely a means to an end. if someone wants to boss me around, so be it.
>y-you're an underachieving loser!
i'm a low level manager in a low stress job with no direct reports.

>>104008459
it must suck not doing a job you're passionate about desu. there's no greater feeling than going to work and it feeling like not a job. no mental space wasted on office politics, just enjoying the shit im doing

>>104008488
i work from home. i don't even work in tech. being passionate about earning your jewish boss, the shareholders, executives, etc. more money is deranged. you need to be legitimately mentally ill to be passionate about most "tech" (SaaS niggerfaggot phone app data harvesting scam crap.) my job is a means to an end. i have hobbies outside of work.

>>104003085
Companies aren't hiring whites. I've been applying to jobs for 3 years and the interviews I get are dog shit.

>>104002431
Experience doesn't mean much when the age pyramid is stacked against you. It's practically impossible for everyone in their +40s to become middle management

>>104008519
i could care less about the money, im the kind of autist that enjoys learning about how shit works. when i go back home i work on personal IT stuff because it's fun. being paid to do so is just the cherry on top. i dont respect people who have no passion for IT jobs and are in it for the money.

>>104008570
And to add some context. People under 20 aren't working, half the people under 20 are in school. Retirement age is around 65 globally so you got 40 good years of work per person.

If everyone becomes middle management at 40 then the ratio is over 1.6x. There are more pencil pushers than people actually working

>>104002431
>a very strange phenomenon
>doesn't look or feel right
why do twitter fags always try to mystify basic ass observations? are they that stupid?
>inb4 its just bait twitter culture
they are just stupid then

>>104008611
Historically most older people became craftsmen running their own businesses after completing an apprenticeship