>>103983670
I can program in Ruby, Crystal, JS, Bash and a bunch of obscure langs like D. Tried learning Go. It was fine for small programs, but when I saw what people do with it — specifically web, it's just fucking stupid. They re-inveneted OOP in a language without OOP — because ofc you need patterns to manage complexity. Only the way each pattern looks is fucking indistinguishable from another and, thus, you can't quite memorize it.

People pretend they don't want to use Ruby because it's slow, but I highly suspect it's because they could never actually grok OOP. And then they use Go with some co-pilot auto-complete, which copy-pastes boilerplate for them. Because truly, 99% of the time your bottleneck in a webapp isn't the app code. And if it is, you probably have a million users and then you've basically made it.

Go, pretty good easy to understand and let's u just tackale the problem at hand, love the fact that theirs so little magic involved, it might be a bit tedious with error checking and u just have to write more, but I still like it, haven't bothered with go routines yet

>>103983769
>>103983874
Guy which anon won? I'm inclined to agree with the first anon because he types more intelligently but I can get behind the get things done attitude of the second anon.

>>103983769
>>103983874
One thing I did like about go is pointers. While it is mostly unnecessary to bother with memory, I still wish I could do it sometimes. Even Crystal doesn't make you do it properly (they have some kind of unsafe pointer type bullshit, but I haven't bothered). Ofc, the problem with Go is that it doesnt stop at just letting you worj with pointers — it's got special rules i gotta remember for slices and all that crap... Fucking crap, I had to actually blind-test this to get this right, because, again, it isn't possible to easily remember it. So yeah, Go isn't easy unless you're copypasting with Co-pilot or ChatGPT and I simply don't ever do that, because that rots the brain and you never acrually learn anything.

>>103983670
I already know the best and most useful ones (Clojure, C and Javascript) so I have no need to learn any new language, until LLM's get rid of coding as a thing humans do for a living.

>>103983769
This pretty much reflects my experience with Go, i tried to port a fairly simple python script which uses classes. And realized very fast that i'd need to completely restructure everything to even get a working prototype.
Not a very good first experience.

>>103983670
TypeScript, it's going well. It's the next step after JS which I actually quite like, especially the functional programming inspired patterns.
If any JS niggas are reading, you should really learn JSDoc at the very least, you won't regret it. You can ask a LLM to give proper JSDoc comments to some of your functions so you get the hang of it.

>>103983939
bro your rust?

>>103983978
Ok Go is shit but this is a retarded argument.
>Every language that isn't the same paradigm as the random script i want to port for some reason is shit

>>103983938
Forgot to add. One of my favorite languages is actually Dart (mogs Typescript easily — at least as far as I can tell). Too bad it's associated with pajeet code through Flutter. Dart is great: got types, but they're optional. It's got pattern matching tbat will blow your mind (use case: handling json). It compiles to js,but also machine code (meaning you can make binaries with it). If I were free and didn't have to bother with jobs and waging now, I'd just program a lot of things in Dart. Only concern I have with it is that it's google's side project and thusitcan abandoned or messed with easily.

>>103983670
ASM, it is going well. it's actually easy as fuck but showing stuff you wrote in ASM really impresses people for some reason. also going to do some lean for transpiling IR

>>103983670
Spent the first half of the year learning C++. Decided to move some of my projects to Rust, specifically some of my TUI games. Might decide to learn D as a hobby, I wish D had become popular instead of Go or whatever pajeetslop they're shilling these days.

>>103983670
C++, not too bad.

>>103983939
I watched a Clojure talk a few weeks ago, the language sounded very unique, with the enforced pure functions, persistent data structures, and the specific abstraction it uses to interact with I/O data from the outside world. Is it actually used in production though?

>>103984034
pic unrelated?

>>103984008
That's not the point. It would've been fine if people were writing Go libs without trying to port all the OOP patterns, but it's very often literally impossible — for instance when you're writing an ORM lib (there's literally the word Object in it!). I saw job descriptions that required you to know Go and OOP, which sounds retarded and is, but you do need to know OOP and, more importantly, how to write OOP in Go. It was the same thing in JS before it had classes — people were reinventing classes with prototypes and it sucked.

>>103983670
Vue JS
It's pretty good

>>103983670
tried zig for a bit, the idea is nice but it's a tad too verbose for me for simple things like integer casting (i.e. as(intFromFloat())...) and the docs are horrendous imo, sockets are amazingly undocumented and using std.posix with special stuff like fcntl (e.g. setting a socket to non-blocking) straight up doesn't work on Windows

I thought zig would finally stop forcing programmers to differentiate between OSes for simple stuff like sockets?

now I'm not sure.. I'm a C embedded dev professionally, so doing that for private projects is boring (and as much as I like C's simplicity, it's really tedious at times)

maybe Rust again? I dabbled in it a couple of times but got assfucked by lifetimes lmao

>>103984718
Platform independence is really hard without a custom runtime like JVM or go

>>103984777
yes, true. But even Odin provides a standardized cross-platform library for that stuff, and that language is even more niche than zig

Idk, I guess it's not fair as a comparison because zig is far from stable anyway

>>103983670
will begin learning elixir in the next couple days, but I'm still not sure what problem to apply it to
I was gonna do a project in it but ultimately decided on c++

is there any usecase for zig or odin? like they are straight better than c, i'll admit that, but the only reason you want to use c is because all three major os's fundamental apis are in c. i guess the only use is to make a new os with them which is what the ziggers seem to be doing at least

I learned C# as my first language then I moved on to JavaScript and Kotlin. Pretty good.

>>103985170
>zig
>odin
Shill elsewhere, faggot.

>>103985185
>JavaScript
Why??????? Are you a poojeet?

Learned GDScript along the way of learning Godot. The devs and community sell it as "Python-like" but it lacks pretty much every single characteristic Pythonic feature you could think of. Very confused on why it needed to exist over Lua. Juan's arguments seem dubious.

>>103984089
Why would you ever use a ORM in Go? Structs in Go map almost 1:1 to sql tables.
And there's a sql package in the stdlib

Zig by doing Ziglings.

>>103985569
Gee, I don't know, why do people use ORMs? It isn't just how it maps. It's the convenience, the readability, the speed of development, the sql injection sanitization, the migrations, the DRYness. But my point is not about ORM. My point is that people develop large codebases in go. That complexity requires them to reinvent abstractions that are easy to express in OOP languages — in Go they end up looking convoluted and unmaintainable.

>>103985658
>It's the convenience, the readability, the speed of development, the sql injection sanitization, the migrations, the DRYness.
The only actual value is in easier handling of mapping between SQL values and OO language values. Unless you're crazy enough to go code-first development.

Zig. I really like it, but it's buggy sometimes. The allocator stuff is awesome

none. C++ cured my language hopping. it was over 20 years ago.

Java. Its okay. Could be worse. I don't really enjoy it that much, but its fine for what it is. Would rather spend my time learning a lispy, homioconic, array, or logic-based language though.

>>103983670
i have been revising my javascript.
>>103984077
>Is it actually used in production though?
rarely. some brazilian bank effectively bought the language (by buying the consultancy behind it) because they were too heavily invested.

>>103984718
>>103984831
>>103985170
>>103985584
>>103986050
Buy an ad, faggot.

Common Lisp

>>103983670
I kind of threw myself off the deep end by learning BEAM stuff with Erlang, Elixir, and Phoenix, and it's pretty interesting so far. The languages themselves aren't really anything too crazy at the core- the functional programming aspects of these languages took like an hour or so to pick up thanks to my previous experience with Haskell. The concurrency/task monitoring primitives (genservers, supervisors, that kinda stuff) seem to be the real killer feature of BEAM, and Phoenix looks like it has a ton of batteries included for database management, rendering, and other stuff. I just wish I had an actual decent use case for all these tools though

>Rewrite 90 line bash script which only uses curl & jq to Go
>It's 400 lines and a unreadable mess
Is there any language with worse syntax for json parsing than Go?

>>103983670
I gave Gleam and F# a go. They were ok languages but I found them really verbose once you start juggling a large amount of state or conditional actions. Giving Odin a go right now and it's pretty nice. Being able to feed custom allocators into pretty much anything and have it just work is pretty cool and imo intuitive to work with .

>>103990851
Have you tried learning how to make a parser?

>>103990851
try perl

>>103983670
Zig and it's going well. Currently making a program for my mom.

>>103983670
Had to learn ruby and rails for work. It's alright, I hate the "unless" syntax tho

>>103983670
Deep diving into python to make lispers and functional fag seethe

>>103985396
>>JavaScript
>Why??????? Are you a poojeet?
JS is the assembly of the web and the most used programming language (above Python if you count TS). You're using JS right now by being on 4chan.

>>103983670
I'm learning ruby and really enjoying it. Its a very simple and beautiful language

>>103985185
What made you move from C# to Kotlin?

>>103983670
None. I already know the basics of all of those shown in your picture.

>>103994833
IWhyWouldAnyonePreferCSharp? public partial AsIfItsTheBestThingInTheWorld. namespace lolol { // mutable record oxymoron lolololol }

>>103983670
I quit my job to learn Lisp (Clojure, Common Lisp). I was tired of working with South Asian Rape Sensationalists (SARS) and being their personal janny, so im moving to a comfy Lisp job

>>103995121
( thats cool (
what kind of (job)
is it))

>>103993014
buy an ad

>>103984034
>you will never go home to a cute boytoy
Why live

>>103983670
yes

>>103992113
>try perl
$scalar = $json->decode( $json_text );
As shrimple as that

>>103995641
it's building my own business a.k.a poormaxxing ;)

>>103993138
Chugging rat poison to make alcoholics and junkies seethe

I got thrown onto a c++ project, so I'm stuck with this shit now. I hate it.

>>103995840
C++ anons are hating you right now. Quick tell them rust is better!

>>103983670
>webshitter
I finally started learning C, and I'm not really sure why cause I don't have any big intentions on doing anything with it. I guess I just wanted to get even more familiar with the way computers work. Actually really enjoying it.

>>103995688
perl is a horrific language.

use it as in cli like awk or sed, but pls don't write programs in it.

>>103996202
>perl is a horrific language.
>use it as in cli like awk or sed, but pls don't write programs in it.
Sed, awk, and Perl are all Unix brain damage.

>>103983670
I'm improving my skills on the ones I already know.

>>103996223
what computer system does not engender brain damage?

>>103996188
>I guess I just wanted to get even more familiar with the way computers work.
C has nothing to do with the way computers work. Lisp, Haskell, VHDL, and assembly would help you learn how computers work, but C has nothing to do with it at all.
https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
https://clash-lang.org/

https://docs.swift.org/swift-book/documentation/the-swift-programming-language/

For what it's worth, if any of you have or had issues learning programming, I'd strongly recommend trying Swift if possible. The syntax and documentation made me finally "get it".

>>103994953
I wasn't implying C# is better or anything. I was actually curious. I

>>103997037
Swift was nice, under the guidance of Lattner. Now it's becoming a bloated piece of shit with inconsistent syntax. It's sad, because I loved swift.

>>103997049
C# is just a better Java but mostly if you're focused on Windows

>>103983670
What's the point?
All programmers will be replaced by the AI in the near future

>>103997772
):

>>103983670
Kotlin, Javascript/Typescript, Python, bash, and lately a little Rust.

>>103998283
I love syntax of Kotlin, but don't like the JVM-mess, hate JS/TS but I'm forced to use it, bash is cumbersome as fuck, python is okay, but it isn't fun and doesn't feel like true programming, and Rust I'm still just dipping my toes. The borrowing system may be a nightmare or something I get used to.

I'm a beginner and only know HTML, CSS and JavaScript on basic level. currently learning TypeScript on Udemy and planning to learn Angular or React. which one is better to land a job sooner, and what else would I need to know to at least get an internship?

>>103995688
checked
this is what I use, I prefer checking for undef instead or catching errors at the call site. If it's a quick script and I'm too lazy to check and the result is undef, use warnings FATAL => "all"; will throw anyway.

sub json_decode {
    eval { decode_json($_[0]) }
}

my $json = json_decode($str);
if (!defined $json) {
    ...
}

>>103996202
>perl is a horrific language.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>103996202
i code in perl because i don't need a thousand abstractions and i just need better bash. perl just werks. i don't need more for the shit im doing on unix machines