>he doesn't use truenas with zfs

laughingbaseballman.jpg

the prebuilt ones are universally pretty shit

>>103877727
>the prebuilt ones are universally pretty shit
laptops are prebuilt yet /g/ buys those more than anything
how hard can it be to make a good prebuilt NAS?

>>103877682
I have a Qnap with a custom linux distribution on it. I'm not sure if Synology lets you put your own shit on their NAS, but I also heard they were (trying) to be cunts with their special branded drives.

No offence dude but it's a bit silly to buy a device whose price is mostly a reflection of the custom software written for it so it "just werks", to then just put a free distribution of Linux on it. You should have used commodity hardware.

>>103877833
Who are you talking to?
Anyways, I bought the Qnap because I wanted hardware that "just works." I had some extra 32 GB ECC SODIMMs laying around, so I put those in it. Trying to find motherboards that have ECC SODIMM support is a fucking nightmare, at least the Qnap claimed to have processor/motherboard support for it.

>>103877682
why this vs a shitty dedicated PC you found on craigslist and whatever OS you want?

>>103877868
Why did you bother replacing the OS it came with? Sounds like effort for no purpose. Synology and QNAP have reasonable interfaces even if they're a bit babyish. The Taiwanese make shit that works.

>>103877682
No, would not buy.

>>103877737
/g/ has quite a few normies.
The Synology devices are fine for what they are intended to do but much like laptops if anything hardware related go wrong, your going to have a hard time.
That's the biggest problem some people here would have with Synology, and the fact it's objectively expensive hardware. If your into PCs at all, it's very hard to get past that for a $600 device it's a bottom barrel CPU and insanely tiny amounts of memory.

If you feel weird about buying a Synology device, your probably close to not being a customer Synology wants. Not even saying DIY would be better for you but it does mean you are much more informed than most of their customers.

>>103877737
>how hard can it be to make a good prebuilt NAS?
it wouldn't be very hard at all but nobody does it. Their profit margin comes from skimping on the hardware, drizzling some web-interface diarrhea that's full of security holes over it, and charging a markup. Whereas what you want is the reverse of that, but just selling a Linux desktop with some hot-swap bays is selling a commodity product.

>>103877939
>Whereas what you want is the reverse of that, but just selling a Linux desktop with some hot-swap bays is selling a commodity product.
I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to make a miniPC all-in-one with 2 bays that runs OpenMediavault. Lots of people on /g/ would buy it. No need to support the software. Just sell the hardware at a markup.

>>103877889
>Synology and QNAP have reasonable interfaces
They both use hilariously out of date/vulnerable kernels and userlands. This also lets me use my network management/enumeration tools that I put on all my Linux virtual machines.

>>103877975
>miniPC all-in-one with 2 bays
Processor/mobo ECC support? Before you mention DDR5, DDR5 ECC support is actually more of a clusterfuck than DDR4 was.

>>103877990
>Processor/mobo ECC support?
You can slap an N100 in there and a similar chipset, ram, storage as popular MiniPCs have except you add 2 bays and people on /g/ would buy it from Aliexpress or Amazon by the thousands.

>>103878045
That sounds retarded. I don't use non-ECC in my file servers ever since I had some files change their hash magically. I also wrote a file storage API that does SHA512 verification on uploaded files. Everything is so fucking unreliable it's insane that people just trust it.

>>103877931
>$600 device
The Synology in the OP is like $249
The disks are always your own responsibility.

Just use an old pc with truenas/proxmox

>>103878171
It was more remembering the last time this was discussed which had the 4 bay model.
$249 is still relatively high. Although it's meant to retail for $449. The cheapest I see it is amazon for $299.

The $249 you might be confused with the ds223 which is basically a phone with some HDD bays.

>>103877682
the drive cage nas devices are great for newbies with money to burn and no inkling of how to work things. they're perfect for the casual folks. if you want a better device you can take virtually any case with space matx atx full tower and run whatever you want for any budget. there are plenty of linux distros and guides or you can just install whatever version of windows and get things moving.

>>103878615
Dude, a NAS is not that expensive. Most people are better off just buying an all-in-one device than building their own.

>>103877682
Does anyone know if I can install windows programs on wine through TrueNAS? EAC is the last thing I need my NAS to be able to do, I got SMB shares, Jellyfin, MakeMKV, and Calibre up and running

Only buy synology if you like using your time to collect media, enjoy media and do literally anything else with your time instead of doing dog shit open source software updates, changing configuration files, oh and if anything goes wrong it’s your problem to go through all the logs and shit. I do that shit 8 hours a day I can’t stand it, synology is just plug in add drives it does the rest it does the raid, it gives you weekly drive reports you can just install apps like plex. All the alternatives are for if you don’t value your time and you don’t get enough of configuring and reading logs at your 8 hour job.

>>103879579
any difference between using EAC and just making an ISO with dd?

>>103879641
Irrelevant reply

>>103879579
Use DiscImageCreator. It has all the same accuracy features that EAC uses.

>>103877727
Synology isn't shit at all. Almost zero setup and it's saved my data from multiple drive failure incidents. The built-in software suite is fairly comprehensive and fulfills almost every non-niche use case for a NAS. OP said he wants "a simple, all-in-one solution" and Synology is exactly that.

>>103877796
>a custom linux distribution
Every fucking time

>>103878615
You don't value your own time. If you're as good with computers as you think then the labour and hardware cost from someone like you still comes to around the price tag of the devices you are ridiculing these people for buying.

>>103880266
My system uses 30 MB of RAM when it's freshly booted, that's with sshd running. Fuck your bloated garbage.

>>103877880
The model in OP uses ECC memory, while your shitty craigslist puter doesn't.

>>103880380
It's a fucking NAS, one where the manufacturer already solved the software problem for you. Your problem is that you're a tinkerfag who needs to put every file onto the device himself, in which case you should have just built your own machine. Instead you overpaid for a hardware and software solution and immediately devalued your own purchase with tinker nonsense and you're patting yourself on the back over it.

>>103880424
Find me a low-power motherboard and processor that supports ECC SODIMMs. You can't because they don't fucking exist, or they're specialized enough that they're far more expensive than a cheap, shitty prebuilt NAS.

>>103879839
no it doesnt

>>103881327
>no it doesnt
it does tho
name one that it doesn't have

>>103877682
You might consider ASUStor since QNAP is security-fucked and Synology is greedy and locking down their software to their literal extortion hard drives that cost like double a normal enterprise drive.

I'm buying a Synology anyway, an 1821+. You can upgrade RAM and network card. It's important to note most models can't support volumes over 108TB (also for extortion reasons). The 1821+ can with 32GB RAM upgrade.

The newer and more powerful 2422+ can't. Even with 32GB upgrade. And I checked with them explicitly to check this. It's like an actual mafia shakedown.

I'm only using it as a backup location though, so the power consumption is quite important. Homebuilt servers consume significantly more.

I was going to do this as a backup location:

Fractal Node 804
ASRock EC266D4U-2L2T
Intel® Pentium® Gold G7400/G7400T
2x dual rank micron 8gb RDIMM
Noctua NH-L9i-17xx
5 x noctua 120x25 (G2 available Q1 2024)
1 x noctua 140x25 G2
Silverstone ST70F-TI
8x WD Red 20tb HDD

But tally up the power consumption. It's more than Syno... so just getting a Syno for this particular task unless someone has some reason why not.

>>103881494
>Homebuilt servers consume significantly more.
The absolute consumption isn't worth worrying about however.
At some point your HDDs are a majority of the power usage and that doesn't change between systems.

>>103881494
I feel like you gave yourself a reason with the hard drive vendor lock-in shit.

Wait for ARM-powered Synology and then things will get interesting.

>>103881429
Doesn’t integrate at all either discogs, freedb, musicbrainz

Doesn’t integrate with AccurateRip database

Doesn’t integrate with cuetools database.

Now kill yourself. There is a reason every single private tracker only accepts EAC/XLD and MAYBE whipper, but for whatever reason the dev for whipper never added checksum compatibility for the EAC log plugin so even though the logs are generated in the exact same format, they don’t pass the EAC LogChecker which is required for most private trackers (you’ll most likely be banned if anyone ever checks a log file and it fails)

>>103882406
>Doesn’t integrate at all either discogs, freedb, musicbrainz
>Doesn’t integrate with cuetools database.
not accuracy features
just send the track checksums in a shell script and integrate AccurateRip yourself you fucking retard
it's a console program, just wrap it in a shell script to put your metadata into it

>>103882616
>just do extra shit for no reason when an existing program that does it all already exists and is free

I understand fosstard brains are easily broke. But this is a new low, even for you lot

>Anything better than a Synology?
Yes, anything is better.
Use any commodity hardware from the last 10 years with the software of your choice.

>>103883284
Any guides for this?

>>103883359
Yeah like a infinite amount.
The gist is first get a computer and put in harddrives, if your budget is low, get a old one, it'll still be more powerful than a synology.
Then install a OS, for easy-mode you can use windows server, or use freeBSD (practically made to be a NAS OS) or linux.

I was thinking about getting a synology DS423+ and a couple used or refurbished seagate hard drives, but I only really see a problem with this particular brand here? Why is that? I just want to keep my media safe since I lost quite a bit of stuff recently due to a drive dying on me and stream stuff to plex on my tv..

>>103883436
there's no problem if you just want to store files

an old pc with truenas will do the same thing

what about those bros?
https://aoostar.com/collections/intel-pc-1

>>103877682
I have a Synology and it is slow as FUCK

tfw just bought four refurbished 6TB HGST drives and 3 of them are broken, I thought my chances would be a little higher because theyre only 4 years old.
buy once cry once, I guess

What about these chink NAS that have Intel N100 and dual 2.5GB?

>>103877682
If you have some ability to learn you will spend less money for something significantly more flexible/powerful/cheap to repair by doing your own truenas setup (this may not apply to small numbers of drives, I've only ever done ~8).

If you're retarded or can't be arsed just buy a synology and it'll probably work fine for you.

>bUiLd YoUr OwN nAs
Name a case that still has 5.25" bays in 2025.

>>103883998
Would be nice to have 4 bays.

>>103884152
fractal pop air

>>103883863
i'd get this if I can install a Linux NAS distro on it.

https://aoostar.com/products/aoostar-r1-2bay-nas-intel-n100-mini-pc-with-w11-pro-lpddr4-16gb-ram-512gb-ssd

>>103883984
6TB in 2021? I guess they're consumer drives, since enterprise drives from that time are already 14TB iirc.

What about Asustor and QNAP?

Is it really Synology or build yourself?

>>103883359
You can look at Jellyfin hardware recommendations since transcoding media is probably the most intensive thing any home server or NAS will ever realistically see

TLDR: intel cpu with ecc and qsv, i3-8100 is a good starting point

>>103883998
>>103884326
Their 4 bay products actually look very cool. Anyone have one of these?

>>103884335
what does nas disto provide?
why not just install debian/arch???

>>103877682
Lil Nas? I love that guy

>>103884980
mostly plug and play-ish preassembled and ready to configure. You can choose anything as a NAS OS or just use synology because lazy

>>103884845
people be saying those 4bays have very bad ventilation

I got my mom a Synology 2 bay because I don't want to deal with it, and now she has a redundant network attached backup for her home business.

>>103884983
Nigger

i see no reason to have terabytes of data

i am fine with pic-related

i am pretty sure the people who have those nas setups are filling them with crappy 4k movies and other dumb shit

anyone with the balls to post screenshots of what he has on his nas?

i am curious as to what people use that many terabytes of space for

>>103885241
bix noood brotha, u tryna get w/ Yakub? whitey ass

>>103885409
We already know what people around here use them for. There have been many threads about it.

>>103884999
It does look like there is zero space between the drives, which is unfortunate.

>>103877880
i dont get it either, a dedicated nas will be expensive, i can just build a low spec pc to do the same shit for much less.

>>103885764
>>103884999
Seems like the biggest problems is the literal plate they expect you to install for decoration and the fact the sleds have very little ventilation.

It otherwise takes nothing to cool HDDs, you really don't need that much space in-between them as cool air passing by the edges is effective but that is way too much of a coffin. The fan is going to such air from everywhere else except near the HDDs

>>103877737
you don't really have a choice with laptops. a nas on the other hand is easily constructed out of anything you have lying around
with something like synology you're mostly paying for the software and its' support, and even if you really, really like synology's OS, there are ways to run it on your own hardware, since synology nas's are just little atom pc's themselves

>>103879641
EAC is for copying audio cd's. you can't copy an audio cd with dd at all

Thoughts on UI UNAS Pro? Cheapest way to get to 7 bays aside DIY, thats main reason I went with a rack server, I dont wanna spend much on the machine I'd rather buy more drives.

>>103885409
I don't have a NAS yet but I would use it to centrally store my:
- pirated music and video libraries
- my own music projects
- git repos
- device backups
- probably video storage for some kind of NVR

I'd probably go the extra mile to prevent data loss and corruption as this is the one place where it matters most.

>>103885409
I’m not using terabytes, I just have 18TB mirrored and am barely at 900GB usage, I use it to store FLACs, MKV 4KUHD 10Bit HDR rips, epubs, personal photos, personal data, and that’s about it. I bought them refurbished from server part deals and they were just the best value per tb, I will probably never fill it all up, no idea what people with petabytes of storage do

Setting up my first file server, I have a raid 1 mounted on a server in my closet. looking for the next step:
>website file manager
>users can log in to view their folder, if they have an account
>ideally minimal bloat, people upload files into the mounted raid 1 and people download/view files. doesn't need some crazy SQL or full stack nonsense
Tried filegator which does everything i want but it fucking sucked and was a huge mess and started causing docker issues i haven't had with anything else. Any other recommendations, /nas/?

>>103877682
Is this the solution to my home server needs? I'm using an old Z220 as a plex media server and it works fine but I can't just add a cheap 14TB HDD internally. I was thinking of either running an external HDD enclosure as a USB 3 storage or scrapping the whole thing and moving it up to modern hardware.
I want something with like a 1210U/1215U, 8GB of LPDDR4/5, a 256GB NVMe boot drive, 1/2 bays, and 2.5 GBe

>>103884343
nope, they were enterprise. ultrastar dc hc310 from 2019

>>103888050
You already have what you need. Stop hoarding children's shows.

>>103877682
Cute..

>>103877682
My big critique with synology is they seem to be a bit too obsessed with garbage like bee stations and gigabit networking at the moment with their consumer offerings.
They have some nice rack mount stuff now but that’s expensive and power hungry as hell.

>>103877682
What OS do you use?
I remember watching a video on youtube about setting you're own nas.
The guy recommended some OS that by default
>detect if the OS is being installed on flash storage and apply some tweaks to minimize the writes
>Detect if there are two similar flash storage and promote you to use them in RAID1
I recall the guy was someone old, and there was a woman in the video.
At least, I want to know the OS.

Make sure you connect your NAS to the network otherwise it won't work. I literally spent weeks trying to figure it out and I was going fucking insane.

>>103877682
>Would /g/ buy pic related
I have been looking into a NAS and I will get one this year. From what I've read these synology are fine for entry level users as they are simple and work well. I build my own pcs so I am going to make my own I'm just deciding on which board to go with. It will give me more freedom in what I can do with the NAS in the future. To be honest a synology is probably enough for me but I think running a media server would be nice and maybe I can't do that ontop of their software as easily.

>>103890022
>this is the average user on /g/ now

where are all these morons coming from

>>103877682
Just buy a USB HDD enclosure (with a fan, platters still get hot), and control it with a server. Depending on your needs, it can easily be done by a raspberry pi (or similar), but you can scale this up according to your demands. I did it this way with a mini-PC that also runs stuff like pihole, HomeBridge, paperless, stash, Portainer, etc.
In case the HDD enclosure ever fails, I can just buy a new one relatively cheaply, while my server still runs (and can easily be upgraded somewhat, mine allows me to change RAM and the NVMe, but you could go fully homebuilt and just have a full on PC where you control all aspects of the hardware).

>>103885361
>25GB
Can’t even put a single movie in decent quality on there.

>>103890022
Are you fucking joking? It didn’t occur to you to connect your NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE to your network?
Do you even have two braincells left?

>>103890971
Anon, there are people who have never heard of an ethernet cable.
Give the average 18 year old a NAS device and they'll probably open bluetooth and try to find a paring button or find it's WiFi network.

>>103877682
Does anyone have problems with storing gigantic 4k video files (ie, 70gig BR remuxes) on their nas when it comes to playing them through plex/jellyfin set up on another computer?

>>103891020
That doesn’t make it ok to be this stupid. We need to punish that kind of idiocy if we want the world to go anywhere positive.

>>103878045
N100 does not have ECC support

>>103878116
RAM is probably the lesser suspect. Most likely you experienced the joys of NAND flash storage.

prebuilts are nonsense. zfs has raid-z expansion now, so buy a big fucking case with a lot of hdd slots and cheap out as much as you can on everything except the amount of ram

>>103892160
and by now i mean like now
https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/releases

>>103892061
Most likely is Windows having shitty network file transfer. There's some shit you can do to enable MD5 checksums for TCP in Linux, but I doubt you can turn that on for Windows.
I also had corrupted downloads from HTTP, so I really don't trust anything unless it's also verified with a SHA256/512 hash.

https://liliputing.com/gmk-g9-nas-is-a-mini-pc-with-intel-n150-four-m-2-2280-bays-and-two-2-5-gbe-lan-ports/

Here we go

>>103890937
>just enter dongle hell, bro
>just exclusively use external drives, bro
So now you have shit stacked everywhere that needs to be plugged into the machine, and at least half of that shit will have its own power supply that needs to be plugged in.
*Chef's kiss*

>>103884152
Just by old Xeon/Epyc parts and an old case.

>>103892160
I'd love to find some sort of easy to source case setup that integrates well with truenas with easily identifiable hot-swappable drive bays for when you try and figure out which drive you need to replace without shutting everything down.

>>103890954
i don't need 4k films
dvd quality is good enough for me
i still watch dvds

i use bd-rs to store 4k videos of my waifus

>>103891020
i was trying to figure out what he could have meant and if it was just a joke
it didn't occur to me he thought it was wireless/wifi
thinking about it though, you can get little wireless external drives, so it's not that crazy. but i don't think i've seen a 2+ disc nas with wireless. that said, there's no reason you couldn't add wifi to one if you needed it
spending weeks on it when it should have been in the first couple pages of the manual/setup guide it came with is a stretch though. hours at the absolute most if you have zero idea

>>103877682
>Anything better than a Synology?
Yeah, DIY.

>>103877737
But Synology is like the noname budget gaming laptop.

>>103894142
WTF are you talking about USB enclosure meaning one that holds multiple drives internally and you connect to something via USB.

>>103888121
>hc3
yeah not really enterprise

>Synology DS224 Plus = $300
>Seagate Ironwolf 12TB = $200 if you wait out for the Newegg/Micro Center sales
That's a quad-core Intel based computer with 12tb of storage for just $500, done. Much cheaper than a refurbished PC + storage, takes up much less room as well. Also, the Synology OS rocks.
If you just need simple storage, this can't be beat. Prove me wrong.

>>103900064
what's the point of a nas if you're only putting one disc in it

>>103893552
All these mini NAS using N100 and N150 are splitting their PCIe3 lanes into 4 x1 lanes
It's shit, don't even bother

>>103897611
>Rube Goldberg server
No thanks

>>103900064
>some random 8th gen i5 HP prodesk - $80
>2x12gb drives: $400
That's a quad-core Intel based computer with 24TB of storage for just $480, done. Much cheaper than a synology + storage, takes up just enough room. Also, being able to install your own OS rocks.
If you just need simple storage, this can't be beat. Prove me wrong.

>>103900159
>simple storage
>installing your own OS
Simple means plug'n'play
From simplest to least simple
>USB external hard drive
>pre-built NAS from Synology/QNAP/Asustor/etc.
>DIY

>>103894142
>modularity is somehow bad
Oh no, you are retarded...

>>103877682
What do you guys use NAS for?

>>103896206
I’m so sorry for your loss of eyesight (and in case of the waifus: objectively bad taste).

>>103900212
porn, media, games

>>103900212
Basically, for building my own TV / Film library. I don’t like streaming services, and I have around 52 TB of content in my home network now.

>>103900212
Anime and manga
Reaction images
Pirated video games

>>103900064
>this can't be beat. Prove me wrong.
300 dollars to build a quad-core intel based computer in a full tower case, 200$ for two refurbished enterprise 12tb drive.

I win.

>>103900227
>>103900234
>>103900235
Can't this all be done regular storage on your PC/Laptop/Phone/Tablet? Or do you have so much Porn, Hentai, Memes that it just won't work?

I understand the media library, but how often are you to going to be rewatching that content? It's just sitting there, wasting space? Like me.

>>103900454
My regular PC/Laptop/Phone/Tablet doesn't have ~80tb of storage.

>>103877682
build myself truenas machine from an old Fujitsu mini PC for 300€, it's amazing how much better it is, only problem is 2 sata drives. but I have 10tb of storage it's enough for now, need to setup online connection too lazy to learn how to.

>>103900212
rare pepe collection

>>103900159
>8th gen i5 HP prodesk - $80
Where are you finding this? Micro Center doesn't sell a refurbished 6th gen i5 for less than $150

>>103903202
Also, refurbished PCs don't appear to have room for too many drives. This one I'm looking at I'm assuming only has 1 spare slot under the SSD? Pretty lame for a repurposed nas.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/631377/dell-optiplex-7040-sff-desktop-computer-(refurbished)

Why do people run Synology and TrueNAS when Ubuntu Server exists?

>>103900454
I could but I don’t want to start my PC when I want to watch something. This way I just serve it to my TV or any device on my network.

As for porn: That is the only shit I stream. No point in saving it.

>>103904561
>no point in saving it
What happens when your favorite gets deleted?

>>103904556
Because why run a generalized OS for a specific task when Truenas exists which comes with a web GUI ootb to setup such task?

>>103904571
>having favourites in porn
I am not that far gone yet.

>>103904615
ew freebsd

>>103904704
Truenas scale is linux
The original BSD "Core" version is deprecated at this point

>>103900212
>Anime, movies
I use it to torrent those at low speeds since I live in a dorm and shared internet and don't want to fuck internet speed for everyone else.
>Lectures
I save my note, along side other recordings.
With textbooks.
>sissy hypnosis files
It is what it is
>off loading my laptop
Keeping things neat, and tidy
Roomates have no concept of personal space, even using my laptop when I'm not around.
Don't want them to see my notes.
>>103900454
>Can't this all be done regular storage on your PC/Laptop/Phone/Tablet?
yeah, but centralized file access is better.
I can edit the same file from phone/tablet/laptop
>>103904561
>As for porn: That is the only shit I stream. No point in saving it.
What do you use now?
Pornhub is just jewslop after the purge.
>>103904571
>What happens when your favorite gets deleted?
I don't care? I mean porn now is just slop.
I have saved the old insex videos though.

What about drive bays? I'm thinking of getting a thunderbolt card.

I deeply regret my decision to buy a 2-bay Synology NAS instead of 4 or more

>>103905499
Too much shit saved?

>>103905577
Over the past 6 years, yeah. Upgrade options of what I believe I'd need in the next 6 within my budget limit me to only really buying renewed 2x18TBs up from 2x6TB which I'm 50:50 on the idea of.

>>103903202
>I need to buy from heccin micro center i can’t just go on facebook marketplace
you are a dumb nigger

>>103905609
Forgot to say they're running in RAID 1 in both scenarios. Regrets are just me at least stopping me from having the option to either expand easily or take advantage of the benefits of RAID 6 (and maybe 6TB instead of 8TB on top of that)

>>103878116
You don't need ecc for checksumming

>>103901052
That doesn't answer the question. Why do you need so much content? If you were a creator one could understand but you're just consuming things that are super easy to find online and acquire within seconds if you have high-speed internet. And if it's anything other than uncompressed bluray rips then it's more content than you could even watch in your lifetime.

Is there a good consumer solution for like an expandable rack Direct Attached Storage that just holds HDDs? I'm starting an archive and I would like to eventually be able to build out to a petabyte or more.

>>103907747
Steal one of these

>>103907942
>>103907969
Maybe I'm using the wrong terms here but I'm imagining a tower of pullable racks containing rows of HDDs, and each rack stacked up similar to audio equipment stacks of DACs, preamps, amps, recievers and the like.

>>103908059
So rack servers? Hope you like ceph

>>103907942
Those are very cool looking, SF tier stuff.

>>103905705
Add $40 to that because the first thing i would do is throw out their ssd, and then you're already close to the same price.

Do SSD bays exist? I don't even need any of the software networking stuff, just like a box hub for a bunch of ssds

>>103877682
Looking to build my own nas here shortly,
A few Q's
>Generic N100 chink board or used ITX + old 2nd gen/3rd gen Ryzen
>How much should I invest in a SFX power supply? Bronze bare minimum, Sliver maximum
>Any preferred/ cool/ performant 3D printable NAS cases? I have a stockpile of high quality filament I need to burn through.
>Best place to buy Refurbished HDD's to get started with?

>>103908059
You're talking about a rackmount storage enclosure. They come in different sizes (how many drive bays they offer - 8, 12, 24+). You can find these at any dealer that sells server supplies but you may want to try to find it used if you're on a tight budget.
https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-TL-R1200C-RP-Rackmount-Enclosure-Connectivity/dp/B086WCRH3C
You could also buy a rackmount shelf and then buy any consumer form factor DAS to rest on the shelf.

>>103908230
>the same price
for double the storage and better CPU performance to boot
feel free to rope anytime.

>Synology update Version: 7.2.2-72803 has the following release note: "Starting from this version, the processing of media files using HEVC (H.265), AVC (H.264), and VC-1 codecs will be transitioned from the server to end devices to reduce unnecessary resource usage on the system and enhance system efficiency. These codecs are widespread on end devices such as smartphones, tablets, computers, and smart TVs. If the end device does not support the required codecs, the use of media files may be limited."

Why do people buy these things again?

is synology botnet?

>>103908863
What device are you using to access media from your NAS where that would ever pose a problem?

>>103908863
Synology hardware is really weak.
AFAIK there is never a GPU, not even an integrated one.
CPU's are low power embedded thingies.
RAM is also quite limited.

If you want to transcode video it's really not the NAS for you.
They're fine for storing and access data, just can't do any heavy processing.

>>103909094
You just described exactly what a NAS is meant to fucking be. I just can't with this place!

>>103904883
>Pornhub is just jewslop after the purge.
you watch sissy hypnosis and also talk about jewslop? what
im convinced modern conservatism is just built on the foundation of absolutely hating yourself and wanting to cover it up as much as possible

>>103909242
>im convinced modern conservatism is just built on the foundation of absolutely hating yourself and wanting to cover it up as much as possible
so being Christian?

>>103905715
I agree more bays are nice for data expansion.
But assuming you make local backups it's not wasteful to double your storage and use your old drives to backup the new RAID1 (note that two 6TB backup drives add up to the same capacity as 2x12TB in RAID 1)

I've done this a couple of times.
Always keeping one full backup of all my data on my previous gen drives plus 2 extra backups of my more important data on my drives from 2 generations back.

>>103880182
Thanks chatGPT

>>103908997
Not him but my smart TV throws up a "unsupported format" error from time to time.
Would be cool if my NAS could transcode 4K HDR on the fly.
But whenever it happens I just download a different version instead or worst case I boot into Windows and play it from there, no big deal.

>>103909242
>you watch sissy hypnosis and also talk about jewslop
jewslop is BBC.
Femdom is not.

>>103900064
>Prove me wrong.
2x1Gb LAN is an issue for me.
It also only has 2GB of RAM and of course only two drive bays.

My DS1522+ costs more than double as much but allowed me to upgrade to 10Gb LAN as well as having 8GB of RAM and 5 drive bays.

>>103909414
That's more a problem with your smart TV than your NAS. That's why I prefer using a smart box, so I control the software used for the streams. I've seen too many people finally get their smart TV streaming sorted out only to get fucked by the next update that removes the software they were using because reasons.

>>103900083
What do you think a NAS is?

>>103909543
nothing you use requires more than 1Gb of throughput, stfu negro

i only trust optical discs because they protect me from my own stupidity
no data lasts long on a hdd or flash drive because i end up corrupting the drive
if i got a nas i bet the same thing would happen

>>103908863
Use it as a network drive. Why would you decode anything on a nas?>>103908863

>>103909543
>2x1Gb LAN is an issue for me
Use case for needing more? Don't you realistically max out drive speed before reaching anything near that?

is it possible to corrupt a nas like with an external drive or flash drive?

i always get a shitty superblock corrupted errors with flash drives. i stopped using them for this reason

>>103909654
1Gb is a bottleneck.
Even 10Gb is quite slow for 2025.
A cheap SSD is easily 30+ times faster.

>>103910180
what's your mpv font?

>>103910227
That doesn't address what he pointed out. Try again.

>>103910206
>Don't you realistically max out drive speed
A single hard drive is 200-300MB/s so about 2Gb/s.
RAID gets you a few times faster and SSD cache saturates 10Gb/s.

Ethernet hasn't kept up with the rest of the hardware.

>>103910259
it was the default font. i no longer use gnome so i have no idea. that was an old screenshot

>>103910348
So you re-encode everything to fit in DVD?

>>103910514
no
https://www.animekaizoku.xyz/

i download all the hvec rips from here

you can download a full season compressed using hvec. it will link you to a google drive link and there you can download a zip file with all the episodes

>>103910571
still those can be bigger tha the 4.5 limit of DVD.
And you need to leave some to protect against peripheral scratches

>>103910602
it's a bd-r(25GB), not a dvd-r

>>103910615
How much did it cost you?

A bd-r is actually 24.7GB(not 25GB as labeled)
you have to leave like 300MB
otherwise you will burn beyond the disc

the disc will still work but the data you burned beyond the disc will not

>>103910638
50 bd-rs for 20 dollars

that's like 2 bd-rs plus a fraction of a bd-r for a dollar

>>103905499
In a similar boat here though I was able to use an expansion unit with mine. The transfer speed on the drives in the expansion unit sucks badly though (so it's more useful for backup storage than anything else).

>>103910180
do you pad them out using dvdisaster?
if you don't know what that is, it's a tool that adds extra error correction to discs by using the remaining space (so like if you have 19G on a 25G BD-R, it will make 6G worth of ECC out of the 19G to make the image 25G)
nice thing about it is that it adds the data to the end of the image, rather than as files, so you can add it to any kind of image without altering its' contents

>>103910717
i am not really worried about disc rot
i have had these bd-rs for 3 years now and there is not a scratch on them. i put them back on the spindle

>>103910717
in the same vein there's .par2 files

>>103910750
accidents happen, recordables don't last forever either
also, discs are a fixed size whether you use it all or not, for me, i figure i may as well use that space otherwise is just goes to waste anyway
>>103910763
yea, similar thing, only dvdisaster being that it does the entire image, could potentially also fix unmountable discs, which par2 files couldn't. you'd have to be pretty unlucky for sure, though

>>103910903
you misunderstand, i'm not anti-bd-r spindle

you have to waste 1/3 of the disc for ecc

i would consider this if it was rare important data but i don't think i need it for most of the discs

>>103877737
Barring the broad term "macbook" I would honestly assume the second most purchased /g/ laptop are Frameworks, which are all modular PC's you can build yourself. I did, I enjoyed it.

comfy optical discs

>>103911210
Do you mean purchased first-hand? Because I'm sure thinkpads would dominate if you're including second hand items.

>>103911047
that's not true, it will use any amount of free space, just naturally the less there is the less protection it will have
parity data is basically magic, if you have say 100M of parity data, it can repair 100M of damage regardless of how big the original data is, so it's great for things like disc rot or scratches on the label side of the disc, stuff that takes out a small chunk of data that the disc's built in protection can't handle (all discs do have ecc as part of their spec, but it's local to the sector, it can't replace missing sectors entirely)

>>103911262
oh i didn't know that.
i thought it took a certain percentage of the disc for ecc
i have never actually used it
i should try it for a cd-r or something

>>103911678
try it with a cd-r*

>>103911244
first-hand. Thinkbooks aren't prebuilts if you buy them on the used market imho

>>103911678
na, it's an arbitrary amount. you make your iso, and give it to dvdisaster and it will pad it out with ecc, then you burn that
then if in the future you end up with corrupted files, you can use dvdisaster to read the disc and repair it using the ecc that was added to it
chances are if you're putting full anime seasons on a bd-r, you're going to have a gig or two left over

>>103911771
yeah i am aware of dvdisaster. i use it to scan discs to see if they are damaged

>>103911796
yea, it can scan for errors on any kind of disc, but the bigger feature of it is that it can generate parity data for a given image and add it to the end of the image, which it can use during said scans. then if it finds errors, it can correct them, and you can burn a new uncorrupted disc

>>103911810
yeah i am aware of this but i never actually tried it

>>103911836
it's one of those things you don't need until you do, then you wish you had. like backups
it's really up to whether you can spare a few extra minutes to do it, naturally it's more steps than just drag files > click burn, but not much more, and beside that it's free in that it uses space that otherwise would go to waste, a 25G disc is 25G whether you use 25G or 10G of it

>>103910290
>A single hard drive is 200-300MB/s
A 7200 rpm hard disk is like 50-100 MB/s. Maybe 150 max. Unless you're using an SSD? Which would be silly because a NAS is all about cheap storage.

>>103911911
bruh, it's 2025, not 2005
I was saturating gigabit connections with a 5200rpm drive 10 years ago
pic related is a modern 18TB drive

>>103877682
>Anything better than a Synology?
Literally anything you build from scratch by yourself?
Isn't half the point of autistic archiving hiding your stuff privately?
Why the fuck is this board shilling proprietary garbage that phones home 24/7 so rampantly now?

>>103912047
Is this one of Seagate's dual actuator drives?

>>103904883
>Bambi sleep 20 day takeover
I see you're a sissy of culture

>>103912460
Yes, actually but this isn't the result you'd like to get from a dual actuator drive.
It's the sata version which means one set of heads is mapped to the first half of the LBAs and the other set is mapped to the second half
This benchmark is only accessing the first set of heads

The SAS version is much easier to get the 500MB/s these drives can do
https://youtu.be/_jYvtv-ILd4?t=172

>>103877682
Just use any old computer, linux, and samba, ez

>>103912530
alright, so it's a Seagate Exos drive, i didn't know those were faster.
They appear to be cheaper than the Ironwolfs as well.
What's the catch then? Is the Exos unbearably loud? That's important to me, I need quiet drives.

>>103908633
N100, you don't need more
Try to avoid expensive SFX if possible, if you have the space just get normal ATX, if not consider cases that take flex atx. Efficiency label is not an absolute indicator of quality.
I haven't seen any, most of them are for tiny hobbyist rpi stuff and only take 2.5" drives.
Ebay

>>103906424
Better question is why are you such a faggot that you care what we like to keep in our harddrives? You a fucking fed? I thought westerners are all about freedoms and shit?

Refurbed drives or brand new drives?

>>103906424
This is like asking why someone has so much food in their pantry when there's a McDonald's two blocks from their house.
And yes, I used a food analogy. Faggot.

>>103913155
That's a retarded analogy. Exactly the sort of answer I'd expect from someone like (You)

>>103913208
I'm thinking I'm going to sell my server and buy a few streaming subscriptions. No point in having anything when I can have it streamed from my corporate overlords.

>>103912911
Good enough for me, thanks.

>>103906424
I'm not now seeing this reply, sorry about that.

>super easy to find online
Where do you think stuff online is stored?

You're relying on other people to save data, do you not see the basic logical flaw in that? It's sensible to save the data you want saved.

>>103904883
>i don't care
>also i already saved my favorites
bruh moment

>nextcloud + plex
>backup Personal data + photos from my phone every week
>can stream media to my tv
>can store stuff I don't want to loose like old games and shit
>can finally get rid of google drive
Is there a better way of doing it than getting a used dell/lenovo/fujitsu and chucking a few TBs of storage in there

Are there any chinkshit N100 motherboards that DON'T block a physical PCIe x8 connector?
I'm talking about bullshit like pic related making PCIe HBAs unusable

I probably should upgrade.
Any advice?

>>103915470
install gentoo

>>103908145
Whats your pic? I want one

>>103909094
There are Synology ones with integrated GPU, lots of people use them for transcoding video for streaming

>>103913968
You can run docker images on Synology NAS and some have iGPUs so transcoding works too, in theory you can achieve all that with a pre build solution

>>103915470
Get 5 Ambedded Mars 400PRO's.

>>103915666
Nah found it online, I just dig aesthetics of it.
My poverty tier synology.

>>103877682
dusty cunt

>>103912320
/g/ spread their boypussies to closed sores for a decade already

>>103916004
What's that card sticking out the back?

>>103877682
Can what's in the OP pic replace my home server? I currently use docker and portainer to manage my programs. I don't especially require self hosting capabilities, just a torrent client and a smb share of what is being stored in the HDDs. Cherry on top if I can host a wireguard server

>>103879368
Prices get up there for aio units fast. lower end you need a couple hundred for the device and a few hundred more for the drives since you will be limited by drive capacity. thats alot of scratch for a device that idles 24/7. you're paying for ease of use. a good example is i have a cousin who just rips his own blurays and dvds. he doesn't pirate or data hoard. perfect for his use case.
>>103880339
you're assuming it's disdain or ridicule and it was not. it's akin to buying a prebuilt pc versus buying all the parts yourself. you will always get more mileage from something you put together rather than not. the term casual and newbie perhaps implies a negative view to most folks. it is still a good way to describe who these devices target. people who don't want to spend the time or are new less inclined to diy. nothing wrong with any of that. im not going to spend the time to fix my car even if perfectly capable so I'll spend the money on having someone else do it. same thing.

>>103915696
I work somewhere where I can get desktops that are a few years old for free, so going this route seems reasonable.
I've also build a shitton of PCs over the years, so messing with hardware is not an issue on my side.
Also I don't like buying new stuff when i could just buy used

>>103909331
fuck you nigger

>>103917004
120gb usb ssd with 512mb swap partition. It's unusable without it running dsm7.0 since only 256mb ram. It's still slow since usb2.0 but at least it doesn't lockup/crash anymore.
Also had success making it swap over gigabit ethernet to ram disk nfs share but I had to move "server" somewhere where I'm not the one paying power bills.

>>103917154
showing off all that ram

>>103911227
yuck

>>103892850
Basically had to give up robocopy for being unreliable and move to rsync.
Or on windows box to windows box transfers, DFS was smart enough to actually check the checksums.

>>103884326
>fractal pop air
My current case
>no 5.25" bays used, three 3.5" bays available
>one 5.25" bay used, two 3.5" bays available
>two 5.25" bays used, one 3.5" bay available
It's too cramp for a server build. Fine for a single Blu-Ray drive and a single HDD in a daily PC though, good airflow, can keep the fans silent without overheating my shit at max usage.

>tfw I have the first custom cable ordered for my 44 bay NAS
This is either going to work or be a disaster
Also going to be $200 just in cables

>>103884152
>>103884326
>>103923451
Fractal define7, you can fit like 10+ hdds in there.

If you give zero fucks about performance, data integrity, or redundancy, then sure, they're fine for storing photos.
If you want something that will actually function properly, and not corrupt data, once you get to a 4-bay+ model in price, there's literally no reason to not get a used, 12-bay, rack server. It'll be about the same price, but infinitely more capable, and have way better QOL features.

Besides hardware

Is there a it just werks NAS linux distribution or software on the same level as Synology etc.?

I dont want to waste time configuring and installing shit and fixing shit when an update breaks it

>>103926283
power and noise level...

I want to get into the NAS pill.
Is there anything that's small, and can be powered with router UPS, and have maximum of 2 X 2.5" drives?
It's just going to be for sharing folders/ torrent machine.

>>103927557
what's a router ups?

>>103927557
>>103927655
also, why not combine them? get a thin client or something, attach a couple usb3 2.5" enclosures to it, and configure it to be a router and a nas

>>103927655
>router ups
Pic related.
Just the power adapter with integrated internal battery + PoE injector.
>>103927660
Too much hassle, and the router need to be separated, it's my ISP

>>103904556
Setting up the raid stuff on Ubuntu server was a bit too much for me to maintain. The initial setup was fine but trying to bring the raid back online after a power outage was tricky for me.
TruNAS is still pretty complicated in a way but has a nice dashboard and seems to work so far.

>>103906424
Some of us are old and have 20+ years of photos and videos just from our cameras, camcorders and phones. I don’t want to lose all that stuff.
I’ve also digitized all of my camcorder tapes and those were huge files. Tons of old footage from college back before smartphones.
Plus all my old music that was on iPods.
I also rip DVDs and leave them uncompressed.
It’s all about 20TB right now. But even if it were a smaller amount of a data, a NAS is a nice way to serve your media to you. I can download a movie to my phone before a flight. I can edit my photography files on my Mac or on my Linux machine and not have to plug in an external SSD.

>>103927203
>Is there a it just werks NAS linux distribution or software on the same level as Synology
Nope there ain't. That's the whole point.
You can however run synology os on your own hardware, baremetal or vm. https://xpenology.org/

>>103909654
Not him but even getting 2.5Gb from my NAS to my other machines was a big improvement.
For example I got back from vacation and needed to dump my 64GB SD card of photos and videos from my camera and it zipped over to my HDD raid at 250MBs when it used to be 120MBs or so.
Also, I have this older external HDD that has 8TB on it and being able to just transfer that to the NAS and not take 24 hours means a lot to me.

>>103925816
This is what I did. It’s a big silent case that will hold all the HDDs you could need.

>>103927203
TrueNAS scale.

>>103927323
yea thats the main issue i have with rackmount nused equipment. features are there but the noise is a hold up as is price sometimes. i found some used older atx tower cases a haf a thermaltake plus have a fractal define whatever that has no drive cages. i just make a set of 4 or more hdd racks with wall shelf stock and zip tie 120mm fan per 4 drives. you can set these inside the cases or out in the open. whisper quiet.

>>103928010
i think thats what i tried on this hp ledia smart server that came with windows home server back 2012. four drive bays celeron cpu. nice little box got it thrifting for 25. came with a wd black 1tb and 3 2tb hitachi desktars. i did end up putting windows home server back on via internet archive with the hp software. donated it to family so they could dabble in media serving at home.

>>103877682
Does 2 drives really count as a NAS?

>>103877682
Can you run any linux on synology?

My current nas/home server is just old hp elitebook 2570p, running arch from msata ssd, and has two 1TB drives, one is the internal sata, the other in optic drive HDD caddy adapter.
It's nice, mainly for the integrated UPS.
should I bother looking into proper NAS operating system?
Or get proper NAS hardware like synology?

lenovo ThinkCentre M93P Tiny or Dell OPTIPLEX 3050 6th Gen Micro Business?

>>103928010
That website is pretty sketchy and ridden with ads, they want a newsletter subscription to get the download links? Lmao what cancer is this

Back when i dabbled in self build NAS i used OMV (openmediavault), its still around from what im seeing

>>103927323
You can get both of those pretty low. If you're a europoor and have 50c/kw prices, I get it, but anywhere with cheapish power, 150-200w isn't that much of a draw if you actually use it. Noise is pretty easy to get down as well. My 24-bay isn't any louder than a normal refrigerator once I swapped out the fans, and temps are fine because it's not in a room with 200 other racks.

>>103929207
if you don't plan to data hoard and expand capabilities then the appliances are good for most folks.

>>103929720
omv was okay. i recall using clark connect distro at one point for vcd rips vent teamspeak wilco and web hosting and router. i forget what all i did on that but that was twenty years ago. mandrake was another distro i played around with way back and the abit mobo included cd.

>>103930854
It's adequate, but the form factor is a little bit off.
Also there's something bugging me about leaving a laptop running 24/7