1st for curved keywells

I got my gateron longjing tea switches today, will see how they hold up for a Cherry Brown enjoyer. They seem to be mostly like a brown, but the tactility is a touch higher up, a little stronger, and the housing is all-POM.

The bottom-out is 55g which is too light for me, but maybe I'll find it ok. I'll try it before committing to spring-swapping.

I'm not sure how I feel about all-POM housing, I think the switches I've tried with it were long pole and that may have been why I didn't like them. We'll see.

My keyswitches arrived.
My keycaps made it through customs (from China).
My keyboard is still in China, but tracking is active.
Let's gooooooo.

Tactile switch recommendations for a clicky switch enjoyer and buckling spring enthusiast that hates cherry browns? I'd like to set up a keychron q3 max to take with me, and it would be nice to make a little less noise for once (and maybe pursue the elusive "thockiness")

Linears are a meme
Clickies are the real deal

any suggestions for one of those meme starter hotswappable keyboards? the sort that comes preassembled, prelubed yada yada

not looking for anything specific except when i've seen videos they all seem to have a crazy amount of deck flex that looks really unappealing to me, so something without much flex would be nice

how can I replace a broken R-SHIFT key on a Logitech G110 (13 year old KB)?

>>103762076
Maybe WS Heavy Tactile?

>>103761388
ergonomic keyboards should use low profile switches

>>103762109
If you want less flex look for a keyboard with a steel or aluminum plate. I know Keychron Q series uses steel, since I have one, but maybe that's more expensive than you're looking for? A lot of companies have gone to soft/flexy boards because they're actually more comfortable to type on and they give the keyboard a lower-pitch sound.

>>103762118
You can pull it apart and look for damage, if you're lucky maybe the contacts just need to be cleaned, but good luck with fixing an ancient membrane board.

>>103762379
>You can pull it apart and look for damage
I sure have been clearer, the shift key is snapped in half, still functional but split into two pieces

>>103762507
what the fuck lmao
is it a normal form factor key with a cherry MX-style stem? If not, time to break out the krazy glue

went ahead and ordered one of these but with a trackball on each side
now for the 5+ week wait...

>>103762331
Disagree but you use whatever switches you like bro.

>>103762544
>does a 13-year-old logitech have a cherry mx stems?
I don't think it's very likely

>>103762118
1. figure out which other logitech boards used the same keycap design
2. look for broken ones cheap on ebay/etc
I don't think there's any other way you're finding replacements.

>>103762987
Steal a keycap from a display keyboard from Best Buy

>>103762994
I don't think Best Buy is selling 13 year old Logitech boards

My main kb died and my second kb is LOUD as fuck. Are there any cheap silent kbs?

>>103763002
But they might still be using the same keycap stems

>>103762968
the problem is that having the keyboard be higher than it needs to be is terrible ergonomics-wise, and that using "regular" MX swiches and keycaps adds a lot to the height of the keyboard when compared to, say, kailh choc v1 with MBK keycaps.
picrel got it right as far as keywell boards go

>>103763271
Keyboard height doesn't matter much at all when you can adjust your desk height. My wrists are flat and floating, as they should be, while typing on my dactyl with regular MX switches.

>>103763281
I could agree with this if the keyboard was the only thing at my desk that I ever touched. I also like to carry my keyboard with me (and thus have to use it at arbitrary desks I can't adjust) though I admit that is an uncommon use case and it's okay to have a separate keyboard just for your desk

>>103763532
Got no issues with mousing either to be honest. I can see how using other desks that you can't adjust would be a problem though. But I would blame those desks first.

I currently use box jades but it gets slightly fatiguing when using them for hours of gaming. It seems like a bunch of people say that arctic foxes feel a bit nicer for long typing sessions with a lower peak force, but it's also 60 fucking cents a switch. Anyone here know if the 20gf difference makes a big difference or should I just say fuck it and solder some mushy linears on chink board.

>>103764119
Looks like a pretty big difference to me.

>>103764155
Holy shit. That's actually a massive difference on the downstroke from the start of the press. Thanks, I guess the $50 might actually be worth in this case.
Maybe I also finally fork over the money for a hot swap keyboard at the same time. I managed to keep the mech purchases down to a single board all these years, but the last time I replaced the switches on this 96 key it took several hours.

>>103761057
Are optical key switches a meme?

plastic is fine actually
i love my $30 ebay filco fullsize

>>103763271
Just raise your height-adjustable chair by 5mm.

>>103764119
>>103764155
>>103764255
20g is a huge difference. Even 10g is very noticeable in a blind test. 80g actuation force is a VERY stiff switch and you have a lot of options to go lighter without having to go linear.

>>103764304
Latency/performance difference is a meme. Optical theoretically solve the main point of failure with mechanical switches, but when everything is being built with per-key hotswap replaceable switches now it's no longer a big deal if you need to replace a key. It seemed like a better idea when people were throwing out entire keyboards when one key started to chatter because they didn't want to solder a new switch.

>>103764437
Plastic is fine, it's more about the overall experience and there are a variety of plastic boards that sound and type great these days.

ill repeat my question from the ded thread.
is there any practical difference between holee mod and plumbers mod? it just looks easier and less messy to just wrap the tape around the stems than to slide the small piece of it in the plastic parts

keyboards like this?

>want to buy premium keeb
>Keycult, HHKB and Mode don't have ISO hotswap PCBs
>only option left is qwertykeys

Do they simply hate making money? Ignoring the entirety of EU? Most people don't give enough of a fuck to solder.

And fuck no, I'm not gonna start soldering.

>>103764931
the one in your pic

>>103766073
keychron has lots of ISO hotswap options

>>103766073
Well as usual, the Chinese are providing a superior product. I don't think it'll take too long before a few more Chinese companies start copying Qwertykeys instead of pumping out products in the already oversaturated budget market.

ill be putting together my keyboard today. downloading via and all this .json bullshit loks intimidating

>>103766274
useless retard just use rope

>>103764931
>>103767746
Here's a wireless keyboard, just like the wireless one you posted!

>>103768023
rope around neck neckbeard

>>103764931
>keyboards like this?
are gay and ugly like the poster of the question

>>103764931
yuck

is there a cheap knock off chinese way to get cheap ksa key caps? from reading it looks like mt3 are the closest profile but they're also proprietary. sa seems close but slightly worse than these, and not very widely available.

my goal is to get some cheap blank key caps for my keychron q1 max, but looking around on aliexpress and elsewhere it doesn't seem possible. looks like if i want that aesthetic i need to get a different profile

>>103768421
if what ur looking for is not on ali, u jsut have to wait a bit. its a matter of time before they make knock offs

>>103768421
KSA is already a cheap chinese knockoff of MT3, anon.

>>103768695
>KSA knockoff of MT3
they are both merely knockoffs of SA desu

>>103769114
Wrong, MT3 was based on the old IBM beamspring keycaps, which SA had nothing to do with.

>>103768695
cool. do you know where i can get some cheap blank ksa/mt3/sa key caps??

>>103768470
ok. will keep an eye out. thanks

Ale oh that’s anons, I’m looking to upgrade my keyboard and mouse. Whats some good ones? I like the retro looking ones, and pic related, but I’m not sure I wanna spend 150 on this.

>>103768102
>>103768222
just say you do not know
like you fat balding morons sit here all day discussing on quote keyboards and cannot even come up with similar ones to picture provided
pathetic

>>103769649
We don't deal in dogshit boards.

>>103769649
im not fat and balding, im chubby and bald
but im still not gay and ugly like u lmaoooooo

>>103769649
just buy the fagboard that you posted, why do you need something different if that's what you want?

>>103769649
Typewriter kitsch is disgusting and that is why nobody wants to help you.

You can buy typewriter-style keycaps for any MX keyboard. There are many cheap keyboards with this style of cap on aliexpress, and they are probably garbage.

>>103770680
This is so low-effort. Hang it up, man.

>>103761388
>>103762850
>>103762968
>>103763271
What’s it like being a 43 year old virgin?

>>103764931
is there anything special about this keyboard other than the round keycaps?
>>103770255
if you're using a keyboard with a QWERTY layout, staggered rows and a massively oversized space key then you may as well complete the typewriter LARP with round keycaps
>>103772472
I'll find out in 22 years

>>103772472
I’ll never know. Let me know when you get there though

>>103764304
from what little of anecdotal references i've heard, its sort of a scam, some perverted planned obsolescence scheme. Microcontrollers tends to die couple of years in and then you're stuck with dead board with bunch of very fancy but very non-compatible with more popular hardware switches.

Is 96% jank to use for gaming? Like that space has always been there, but going a life without it? I don't know, but maybe it's not so bad? It'll also save some space.

>>103773430
Any microcontroller relatively isolated from vibrations will far outlast any analog switch. And for any non-flex PCB with the microcontroller on the main board the problem applies to all soldered components.

>>103773587
I don't know what the reasons are or even if its representative of overall experience, as i've said - anecdotally i surprisingly often encounter people with dead keebs with optical switches. My unhinged take is that there are deliberate design flaws causing this, since theres no point in making forever product. Another more grounded take - fancy switches come at a cost, and since budgets have to be met, QA instead of being traditionally underfunded formality cease to exist completely and that leads to higher failure rates.

>>103764119
They are quite a bit less tactile and a bit lighter on the bottom out. I like Arctic Foxes though, especially how they sound.
On a side note, I recently fucked around with swapping their clickbars with the one in the Box Pink (which is nearly as thick as the clickbar on Jades) and they didn't have much issues returning, clicks became slightly deeper too. I think I'm going to try swapping some longer slightly lighter springs into the Box Pinks instead though to see how that works, like 57.5/60g bottom out.
Also, mind you, if they aren't the Novelkeys versions of Jades with the PC top and white Nylon bottom housings I'm pretty sure they have a heavier bottom out as well, so that might be contributing to your fatigue as well.
It's a real shame though, Kailh basically just needs to make a swtich with the Box Pink's clickbar, but with a slightly lighter and much longer spring and it would probably be my go to "do it all" clicky switch. I also want to see them make a switch with a nylon top and bottom housing.
Gateron failed with the Melodics since they are still too tactile for extended use, and in general they have awful tolerances on the springs in most of their switches, especially for how fucking much they charge. Geon offers 0.3g tolerance springs for ~6 dollars for 110. There's no excuse to have 8/10g and sometimes even 15g tolerance on switches you charge more than $0.50 per 10, especially when they just spray lube/oil on them in the factory on the cheap. Every Gateron switch I've tried has felt mushy or just off in some way.
Clickiez also fail to be a good multi-purpose switch unless you rail your keyboard with your fingers.

>>103764437
Plastic boards are the way to go if you want a deeper sound to accentuate deeper sounding switches.

https://vocaroo.com/12Gj1Oj6Hspa

Whats the /g/ approved poorfag tactile keyboard/switch?

>>103776545
These are seemingly good from what I've heard on these threads and elsewhere. Also have a 60g variant as well. Not the absolute cheapest I've seen, but ~30 cents per switch for 110 is not bad. Of course if you don't need that many then they immediately jump up to like ~40-45 cents per switch.

How do I know which keycaps would work on my keyboard? Is it possible to use ISO German caps onto a ANSI US layout?

>>103776652
Thanks anon

>>103769207
Well then MT3 and KSA are quite unrelated

is there any way to make aluminum plate not sound like shit?

Budget: I'd like to keep it under $200
Location: USA
Preferred switch type: Red style switches, tactile but not clicky
Layout: ANSI
Form factor: 75%
Backlight: Shine-through, ideally using true white LEDs, but RGB is fine. Either way I also want it to be dimmable.
Previous/current keyboards: I currently have a Keychron V6 QMK with Keychron Silent K Pro Reds and am pretty pleased with it, but I'm thinking I'd like to get a 75% board for longer gaming sessions and use this keyboard with brown style switches for productivity stuff. I've been keeping my eyes on the Keychron Silent K Pro Browns, but they've been out of stock of the 110 count tubes this whole time. Do you guys have any idea if this is typical for Keychron and how often they restock things like switches? Is there a reasonably priced alternative that you'd recommend?

what's the cheapest hhkb layout keyboard? do they have a patent on it? i've seen some other brands which are similar but they're all way over priced. why doesn't someone like keychron just lift the design and make a cheaper version?

>>103778969
Have you looked at the 75% keyboards from keychron? I would include qmk as a requirement if you intend to remap and use it on multiple computers

>>103779825
A lot of mechanical keyboard makers offer a HHKB-like layout known as 'Tsangan' although some still just call it HHKB, difference being that HHKB has an off-center 6.25U spacebar and Tsangan has a centered 7U spacebar. It has become pretty common and way cheaper than HHKB, though mechanical and not Topre of course.
>why doesn't someone like keychron just lift the design and make a cheaper version?
picrel is their cheaper version, Luminkey just ran a group buy of their own too

been using the same corsair mechanical for over a decade, did i win?

>>103780199
yes, congrats

>>103780218
im always amazed at how much dog hair accumulates around the switches

>>103779825
>>103780150
what is desirable about that layout?

>>103780254
Each keycap feels like an artifact. They're thick, molded from ABS plastic - back then they didn’t cheap out with that thin, brittle crap you see on modern gaming monstrosities - and there's a reassuring density when you touch them. It’s like touching the cold surface of a stone tablet carved by some deranged prophet who predicted the internet but never got around to mentioning anything useful, like Wi-Fi. The legends on the keycaps aren’t lasered-on or painted, they’re double-shot injected. If you don’t know what that means, I won’t explain. Look it up. Educate yourself.

And the switches… Oh God, the switches. Buckling springs. Yes, those noisy, spring-loaded, life-affirming mechanisms that explode beneath your fingers with a thunderous clack. Not the quiet mush of modern-day chiclet keyboards that feel like you’re poking a dead fish. This is visceral, tactile feedback, a sensual dialogue between man and machine. Every keystroke echoes in my bones and reverberates in the empty, yawning chasm of my soul. When I type, it sounds like gunfire ricocheting in an abandoned parking garage.

The keyboard isn’t wireless. It requires a thick, coiled cable that snakes across my desk like a disgruntled anaconda. It’s hideous. Perfectly hideous. A celebration of unadulterated function over form, back when things were built to last, not to be replaced every two years. I run my fingers across it sometimes, not typing, just grazing the keys like I’m petting a corpse, and feel a kind of warmth that I can’t describe, but don’t want to admit I need. It makes me wonder if I’m capable of loving anything. Probably not. But if I could? This would be it.

>>103761057
Alright, my budget is $175 and I don't mind putting in some work to build my keeb. I'd like silent tactile switches in a TKL layout. I'm moving on from a Blackwidow v2 with green switches, I always use the keyboard feet, and I have a soft spot for the padded wrist rest.

>>103776805
>How do I know which keycaps would work on my keyboard?
You're usually fine for basically any set you find so long as it's the same layout.
>Is it possible to use ISO German caps onto a ANSI US layout?
Yes and no. Most of the keys would still work, but some of the other keys like Left Shift and Enter are different sizes and shapes, so they will just not fit onto an ANSI board properly.
For most expensive keycaps sets though I've noticed this usually isn't an issue though, as they offer ANSI and ISO keys. Just make sure to actually look at the images and stats they provide. Also make sure the spacebar is the same length as the one on your keyboard.

>>103780316
PBT caps generally feel better in my experience
But really I was asking about the layout

>>103780150
Thanks a lot for this info man. Pretty much everything I needed to know

>>103780254
It's optimised for programmers and tools like vim. Everything you need is close so you're not reaching around the keyboard for stuff as much

>>103785106
Home row mods do it better

That Asian girl with glasses on YouTube who reviews mechanical keyboards is the hottest woman alive

I'm a boomer that has been using prebuilt cherry red switch keyboards from random brands for like 20 years now but I want to get more serious now that buying components is very accessible these days.

If I generally like the feeling of the classic mx cherry red switches should I just stick with those or are there cheaper/better alternatives now.

>>103785106
I use vim and I’m not seeing the difference really. Caps lock remap is easy to do and everything else just looks normal. Smaller spacebar might be nice for easier thumb access to mod keys

>>103786676
There are lots of better linear switches these days. Morandis are relatively cheap, very smooth, and have a similar spring weight to reds.

>>103781950
thank you!

>>103762850
What is this think called?

>>103786676
Whatever board you end up getting, I'd get these switches:
https://divinikey.com/products/lichicx-raw-switches?variant=40488105246785
The "big bump" ones. Unless you're into something more like cherry brown, but most guys looking for "tactiles" aren't.

what's the quietest linear switches?

>>103790291
silent ones

>>103780150
Drop Tokyo is another one

>>103787325
Oops, quoted wrong post. Meant to reply to >>103780458

To the Cherry reds guy, nothing has really beaten Cherry, ignore the hype. You can get switches that are less scratchy and have less wobbly stems, if those things matter to you.

should I get the top one or bottom one?

>>103790593
Top. Why give up all that functionality?

>>103790593
I was just looking at top the other day. Really damn nice, but I don't know.

>>103790291
actual 'silent' switches tend to use some kind of rubber feet on the switch to dampen the impact but it feels very terrible. I used silent alpaca's for a few months and it was like typing on erasers.
I would reccomend a lubed linear switch, or at least factory lubes. I recently put gateron sea salt smoothies into my board and they're basically a premium enthusiast experience for no effort.

>>103790291
What's wrong with Cherry MX Silent Reds?

>>103791401
You should try out either lichicx lucy (or its variants like the raw silent) or gateron geckos. Much harder bottom out, even more silent since they don't ping like silent alpacas do.

>>103790642
aesthetics (and I'm already used to using caps lock as an extra layer)

get a better board. one that has a weight

>>103778969
wooting 80he

>>103780316
huh? The question was about the layout retard.

>>103780150
generally, 7u is used as it uses the most layouts without adding more switch footprints to the PCB plus the symmetry is appealing. One 7u tsangan PCB can accommodate winkeyless, winkey/tsangan, and 7u hhkb top case layouts. Also, the "true" hhkb layout uses 6u not 6.25u.

I want a low profile / scissor keyboard like the magic keyboard/macbook boards and was looking at logi mx key mini but all these people saying the paint rubs off with normal use... yikes.... I may just buy some cheap dell/hp keyboard and live with it...

>>103787287
cyboard imprint
you send pictures of your hand next to a credit card and they model it after your proportions
https://cyboard.digital/products/imprint

can add a trackball to one or both sides. full wireless or wired. QMK/ZMK
it's got it all mang

>>103794316
Don't get a backlit keyboard. Problem solved.

>>103794316
How about the keychron b6 pro?

>>103794443
I was looking at their B1, are they a decent brand?

>>103794512
The brand is mentioned frequently here and my brief experience with b6 pro was good.

I was looking into a new keyboard and wanted to try Topre out, since there is no ISO out of the box I figured it would be interesting to layer azerty on a JIS base and see how it goes.
Unfortunately (or fortunately) I cannot find custom aftermarket options for the caps and the project will stop there, but I figured I might as well share the evil blueprint for a laugh.

>>103795145
This actually works.

>>103794316
If you're after low-profile scissor switches and don't want to deal with paint wearing off, have you looked into the Keychron K3 Pro? Decent quality, hot-swappable if you decide to try new switches later, and more durable keycaps compared to the Logi MX Keys. Cheap office boards like Dell/HP can be fine, but they'll lack the consistency and feel you're probably looking for. Keychron might be a good middle ground.

>>103761057
>decided to check this board out again
>see it's on bowlkeyboards as an upcoming release
>notice the hotswap layout for the bottom row is different for the simply retarded reason that they chose to have only 3 keys on both sides of the spacebar (also 7u spacebar), instead of the typical 3-spacebar-4 layout, which is the most common on modern boards
Welp, my interest in this went completely out the window.
Guess I'm still waiting to see if Meletrix will ever pull their heads out of their asses for the Zoom 109 and the Zoom Max.

>>103772709
>Early 20s
>Twink keyboard
aaaah sisssssyyyyy

>>103795145
With two tone color lettering, translucent keycaps and some rgb fine-tuning, you could make one set vanish while the other has greater contrast and switch on the fly.

Can someone explain linear fags to me? Why bother using mechanical keebs at all if there's no tactile feedback?

>>103796131
Feels nice & smooth, simple as.

>>103796131
regular office boards are not linear at all, so your supposition makes zero sense
if you want tactile why are you using mechanical? topre's better

>>103796171
If they are not linear then what are they? You don't have any bumps on them

>>103796250
i'm typing on mine this very second
they are all bumpy
that is how they work, the rubber dome deflects and registers onto the membrane

>>103796291
>>103796171
this
>>103796131
main benefit of mech to me is the smooth typing. To me, adding arbitrary noise and bumps is actually removing the main benefit

>>103779939
Oh fuck me. I looked at their site earlier and i could have sworn the only 75% they had with shine through used low profile switches. I guess I somehow overlooked the K line of boards, though they don't use QMK. That said, they're sold out of the hot-swappable model so I'm still stuck wondering about when I could expect them to restock something.

>>103792389
Thanks, I'll think on it.

I like typewriters, is there any keyboard that tryly resembles them in sensation or sound?

>>103761057
I haven't visited /g/ on ages, but didn't the OP have a recc list?

>>103796131
linear is the only type of switch that makes sense. Everything else is dirt in your keycap/typewriter larp

>>103798913
It's a bit hard to do a recommendation list since it all depends on what features people want, that's why there's just a recomendation template which keeps things easier

>>103798913
Products change too quickly these days.

>>103798052
You know modern typewriters are a thing right?

>>103799627
>>103800631
I see.
>Budget
$200
>Location (continent at least)
America
>Preferred switch type
Cherry
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
100% or 80%
>Backlight
Doesn't matters
>Previous/current keyboards
HyperX Alloy Elite 2. Keys stopped working after three years, so I prefer something with hot swap.

>Budget
300, best if it works out of the box but I wouldn't mind playing lego as long as I don't have to assemble the springs and lube stuff myself.
No soldering or programming project please.
>Location
France
>Preferred switch type
Most importantly something on the silent end that doesn't click or ping and with no lateral looseness/rattle.
After that I prefer an early bump in force at the start of travel so the key resists then a drop, not a soft start linear push with a sharp bump in the middle of nowhere.
From what I could find, outside of the Asus Rog NX Browns, some Holy Pandas (Gateron X, Invyr, TTC v2), Alps SKCMs (brown, green) and Topre to a lesser extent, this force curve profile seems rather uncommon.
Rubber domes wouldn't offend me as long as the build quality is solid, but no chiclet banter please.
>Layout
First choice is ISO (FR)
Second choice (very far down) is JIS with an ubiquitous cap connector to custom order something like >>103795145, if having windows register that the "<>" key has moved from one side of the keyboard to the other when switching to azerty is not a massive and buggy ordeal. Leaving budget for the custom keycaps.
>Form factor
100%, wired.
>Backlight
Preferably so I can see in the dark, but I'm not picky about fancy rave settings.
>Previous/current keyboards
Some cheap shit that rattles when you barely rest a finger on a key and a spacebar that could double as a seasaw (SoG xpert k100)

>>103801039
i think for that kind of common setup you're typically best off with a keychron these days
https://www.keychron.com/collections/all-keyboards?sort_by=manual&filter.p.m.convx.keyboard_standard=ANSI&filter.p.m.convx.keyboard_layout_size=75%25&filter.p.m.convx.keyboard_layout_size=96%25&filter.p.m.convx.keyboard_layout_size=100%25+%7C+Full+Size

price range depending on if you want aluminum or plastic chassis, wireless, backlight, etc

I got new switches and keycaps but I am too lazy to pull everything out right now

where can i find printed anime girl keycaps in a uniform height profile for ortholinear keyboards?
everything i can find are cherry profile but it sucks for ortholinear layouts

>>103801039
>Cherry
That doesn't narrow it down much. Maybe name a particular one.

MX switches can be broken down in the following ways:

>type
Linear
Tactile
- Holy Panda tactiles: the large bump starts at the top and goes all the way through the keystroke
- P-shaped tactiles: the medium-size bump starts at or close to the top but doesn't extend far
- MX Brown clones: the small bump happens closer to the middle of the keystroke and is meant to add subtle feel to the switch actuation; in use they can feel close to linear
Clicky
- Click jackets: these tend to feel a bit like mx browns, with a plasticky click
- Kailh box clickies: these have a metal click bar which produces a sharper click
- Click leaf switches: these have a click leaf which adds a lot of tactility and a very defined click to the keystroke

>weight
Usually measured in spring bottom-out force. Some examples:
45-50g: Gateron Red
60-65g: Holy Panda, Cherry Brown, Gateron Yellow, Cherry Red, Cherry Blue, Outemu Red
78g: Cherry Black

>stem shape
If the stem has a long pole, the pole will be the part that strikes the bottom housing, and this sounds and feels different. Some people like "long pole" switches, some don't.

>travel
A longer stem will hit the bottom earlier. 3mm of travel will feel like more of a shallow keystroke than 4mm (standard).

>pre-travel
The distance until actuation is usually 2mm or slightly shorter, but on "gaming" switches it can be as short as 0.9mm. This will cause more unintended inputs, but is slightly 'faster' for games. You probably don't need it.

>material
Noobs won't care about this as much but if you like the sound of Cherry nylon then you'll be picky about that. POM switches feel and sound different, as do polycarbonate switches, etc. And opaque black housing won't diffuse your RGB as much. Some things to consider.

>silencing
Dampening of the bottom-out and top-out to reduce the sound caused by using the switch. Usually feels mushy (with some rare exceptions)

>>103804629
I am too lazy to try my new switches right now also. Partly because it's such a pain to reassemble the Daring Run Flip 6P. Aligning the stupid fucking pogo pins...

>>103798052
Maybe something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opIfZMZWAKg

>>103801746
hey guys sorry to self-bump but I'd really appreciate a recc here

Anyone getting this ad on YouTube?

>>103805878
Yeah, some kind of special keyboard day.

>>103805878
I use ublock so no.

>>103805907
does ublock work on the logo because it turns into keys

>>103805878
no because i don't use a web browser for youtube

>>103805874
A wireless mechanical full-size keyboard for $80? I'm not aware of one. Even a Keychron V6 max will be 110.

>>103805918
I don't see that at all, so probably.

>>103761057
That's a nice numpad.

tried out some factory lubed switches today, theyre kinda shit. i was happy because i thought i could avoid this hand lubing bullshit, but whatever. imo filming makes the biggest difference.

I'm looking for a kit, otherwise wondering if there's a vendor out there that makes custom switch plates. I can't find anything with a big enough gap to plant a 34mm trackball, I don't know what pic related is but it looks like a Reviung with 48 keys and a big gap in the middle.

>Budget
$350
>Location (continent at least)
USA
>Layout/Form Factor
4 rows, alice, vert column, ortho, and staggered are fine, non-split/unibody is what I'm trying to find, width can be anything, prefer wires soldered to a microcontroller but not opposed to a pcb, I'm too much of a noob at finding stuff.
>Backlight
Whatever.
>Previous/current keyboards
meko push 65 with box whites, some chink gamer TKL with kaihua browns

Basically I'm wondering if there's anything out there that isn't a split keyboard that will let me add a trackball/trackpoint/analog stick for mouse control before I go to the effort of designing and making something myself.

I bought a chink keychron Q1 knockoff and chang apparently included a coiled aviator cable. As nice as it is to look at, I don't really see the appeal desu. I never really had an issue with cord length, so the detachable aspect seems a bit redundant when the board itself has female USB C port.

>>103764931
https://www.amazon.com/RK-ROYAL-KLUDGE-Typewriter-Collapsible/dp/B07XVCP7F5?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1

>>103806880
I found stuff. Apparently my post is too old for deletion. The form factor is called split unibody.

>>103807567
https://golem.hu/boards/
https://pantheonkeys.com/products/custom-keyboard-plate-cutting-service

I caved and ended up buying the new MX Keys S...

>>103807757
If you're actually that excited about laptop keybaord switches, you do you, anon.

>>103807849
after using a macbook air 2018 keyboard I got addicted to chiclet/scissor keys with minimal travel and I'm just trying to chase that feeling without actually buying a magic keyboard

>>103807757
This actually looks way better than that image is showing. The sound is good too.

>>103761057
Whats a good place to get keycaps? Im gifting my gf my old pc after i get a new gpu and i want to suprise her with hello kitty themed mechanical keyboard

how do i make the most silent keyboard

>>103808434
projector keyboard on a rectangle cut of carpet/fabric

Any anon recognize this keyboard or has something close to it? I want to shamelessly copy it, preferably with hot swap switches

>>103808694
looks like a womier sk80

>>103808739
Huh, might just be it honestly
Too bad they dont just sell it in plain black, only version I keep finding is with this gay print

>>103806880
That keyboard unironically looks so nice to use

>>103808694
>>103808739
>>103808780
Never mind I found it
MONKA 3075 PRO

>>103801039
The Evo80 is the best you can do with that budget. It’s one of the best prebuilt keyboards around right now.

Spilled water on my keyboard last night and it was fucked until it dried out this morning. Everything seems fine now aside from some LEDs can't make anything that uses blue now.
What are the chances it fucks up again? I've never spilled liquid on a mechanical keyboard before and I'm debating if I should just replace it to be safe or not since it is a 6 year old keyboard.

>>103776167

but i do enjoy railing

>>103776805

i have the linear princess switches and theyre very nice. id assume the tactile one is also very nice.

God bless our Chinese overlords, typing with these is so goddamn enjoyable, the silence is a bliss whilst still having that nice feedback when typing

>>103810051
Corrosion and water damage basically works like magic, so it's always hard to say what'll happen next, but you're probably fine to keep using it. Worst thing that'll happen is that it stops working.
If you want to clean it then open the keyboard up and use alcohol. Preferably isopropyl and not beer.

you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

https://www.duckychannel.com tw/en/Ducky-One2-Skyline-TKL
Anyone know what size keys these are? The keycaps I want to buy say size: 1u, but are compatible with Cherry MX?

>>103812943
As a follow up, are all Cherry MX's the same size i.e. silent red, blue, brown, etc.

>>103812804
No way jose, what the fuck is this arm space between you and the keyboard.

>>103812804
>no actual arrow keys
>blank keycaps
>coiled braided cable that absolutely costs at least $70 alone
tryhard minimalism-ricer/hipster bullshit

>>103805942
I'm a bit flexible with the size and price, I can lose some keys and I can spend up to 130 if need be

>>103811395
There's literally 1 trillion other gay pink looking switches, you're going to have to be specific and name them

>>103815025
Fuck my retarded ass chose the wrong filename
Its the Gazzew Bobagum switches, I absolutely adore these silent lil things

>>103812804
>tranny % with all that empty space on the desk
>mouse immediately next to the keyboard anyway
And this is why I will always shit on hypebeast autists that like these things instead of full size kek, retarded.

>>103801746
I think the Galaxy100 might be your best option, specifically the Epomaker version because it has VIA support. The main benefit here over a Keychron is that it has a metal case instead of a plastic one.
If you don't like the compressed layout then the Keychron V6 Max is the best option.

>>103815040
If he had a full sized keyboard then he wouldn't be able to sit like that, because he would have a numpad where his mouse currently is.
Clearly having a small keyboard is preferable for this guy, even if I wouldn't use that setup.

>>103815064
NTA, but TKL and 75 exist too. Once you start chopping off the arrow keys, you've gone full retard.

>>103815064
What is this retarded "reasoning" kek
small form-factortroons always wax lyrical about desk space and yet they do shit like this all the time, that's it. A numpad wouldn't displace anything there, and it wouldn't matter anyway because they'd still have their mouse smack dab kissing the side of their keyboard case like they are in that pic

Where else are you going to put a mouse if not right next to the keyboard? Do you into ergonomics?

>>103815171
I'm not going to waste my time defending a setup that I don't even like, so I'll just say that it's a fact that if he wants to keep his hands and shoulders squashed close together instead of spaced further out then he needs a small keyboard with the mouse right next to it, and this setup is clearly designed for that purpose.
The only other way to achieve this would be to use a keyboard with a left sided numpad, which is the ideal setup because right sided numpads are retarded.
>>103815136
Keyboards that small should certainly be classified as a mental illness, but at least it's one of the more healthy ones.

>>103812804
Consider recliner mounted split with integrated trackball. Throw in sufficiently high res VR headset once they're available and fuck off to the net forever.

has anyone tried this version of the keychron c3 pro with the hotswap and backlight colors? If so, is it any good? Couldn't find any reviews on it aside from the cheaper version of it

you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like

>>103818881
Makes sense for one hand usage.

>>103818881
What switches are those? Kinda looks like niz but then those wouldn't need diodes so I'm guessing they're some kinda contact based switch.

You niggers know any jis cap sets? I want to get ghis jap layout keyboard that is mech back i want jap japanese on the keyboard the caps that come with it don't have jap on them.

how many layers of tape is acceptable for tape mod?

>>103769530
Isn't that an older GMMK 100% or Full Keyboard?

I am unstoppable

>>103820438
I recommend 0

>>103821178
Not my best but here.

>>103761057

>Budget
$250
>Location (continent at least)
Thailand
>Preferred switch type
Cherry Brown or Red
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
100%, Chargeable Wireless
>Backlight
no backlight
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer pro type ultra. I got double type issue after two years usage.

>>103821269
>>103821178
i am better!

>Budget
$100
>Location (continent at least)
America
>Preferred switch type
Barebones preferred or Linear, Tactile
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL, 75%, 65%
>Backlight
Dont care
>Previous/current keyboards

GMMK 1 Full Size - Gateron Black
NK87 - NK silk Yellow factory lubed

Not interested in soldering but might be down if theres no other options. Im really looking for something with an aluminium plate or Brass options

im looking for a keyboard that does wireless and wired but has the f keys not so fare spaced away from the numbers row.
i want a full size keyboard with numpad and preferably media control keys like start/stop/skip/volume.
right now im looking at the royal kludge stuff but while they have the functionality and are pretty cheap they dont have the exact layout i want nor the dedicated media control keys.
any reocmmendations?

>>103827675
Fuck you

I want a new keyboard.

>Budget
Up to 300 usd
>Location (continent at least)
America
>Preferred switch type
cherry mx red
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
full size
>Backlight
none
>Previous/current keyboards
had a wasd for a while with cherry reds that I liked. currently using an old corsair with cherry reds a friend let me borrow

I just want a nice solid full keyboard with a cable and no lights. I don't care about sound or material or any of the current autistic trend shit factory lubed cherry reds are what I like.

>>103826327
My pick would be the Womier SK75 or Bridge75. The Bridge75 has a ball-catch mechanism making it easier to dismantle, the SK75 sells alternative plates without flex cuts if you ever want to change things up in the future. Pick whatever of the two sounds or looks more interesting to you, you can't go wrong either way.
>>103827675
Maybe the Galaxy100? It's not perfect, main compromise is that it has a knob instead of dedicated media keys, but it has VIA so you can reprogram the knob and other keys to do all the functions you want.

>>103790593
Top one, if only because the Enter key is the right color.

I mean, let's be real. You buy this because you are an irredeemable Thinkpad dork trying to relive some of the glory of the era of seven rows. Don't half-ass it. Go full-ass, get that big boi and embrace it.

>>103828862
Keychron C2 Full Size Wired Mechanical Keyboard Compatible with Mac, Keychron Red Switch, 104 Keys ABS Retro Color Keycaps Gaming Keyboard for Windows, USB-C Type-C Braid Cable https://a.co/d/5MqQY2U

This is really all you need in my opinion. Comes with alternate grey escape key and alt and windows instead of comand and that clover thing.
No backlights.
Its perfect and actually better than anything else ive used. Its simple and juat werks

>>103828862
You've got two decent options, the first is to get a QK100 kit, then buy yourself some Cherry Reds and whatever keycaps you like.
Second option is to just get a Keychron Q6, normally I'd say to get one of the cheaper Keychron keyboards but you're giving me $300 to spend here so I might as well go a bit higher.

>>103818881
pain27 my beloved

>>103761057
I have Akko jelly pink switches (linear 45g) but some are starting to fail. I like linear, could go a bit heavier.
I remember seeing those MMD Princess switches a while ago, nice and cheap on AliEpxress. Are they still decent? Do they come pre-lubed? Any other good cheap switches I should try?
And what's a good cheap tactile switch as well, wouldn't mind trying them out too. But I've only really ever used Kailh browns or something (probably even worse) on a chinkboard from like 10 years ago. Not a fan of those.

>>103832366
MMD Princess & MMD Holy Panda

>>103828862
I'd get an Intro S100 (220usd) with shenpo keycaps (40usd) and cherry mx2a reds (40usd)

The kit comes with stabs so as long as you don't count shipping this barely makes it into your budget

>>103832366
If you're looking to try tactiles, at least make sure you try cherry brown and boba u4t to get a sense of the two ends of the spectrum.

>>103815696
all I'm hearing is self reporting as a shoulderlet, sorry

>>103819059
Not him, they're SMK 2nd Generation Cherry MX mount, or SMK Cherry MX mount. Nice, light and crispy clicky switches.
Can't imagine ripping them out of whatever roomy vintage board they're from and putting them on that slop though, tragic.

Can anyone recommend a decent 1800 barebones that comes in a darker blue?

>>103833883
Forgot to mention needs Bluetooth

>>103761057
that is a nice deep red color

>>103828862
>I don't care about sound or material or any of the current autistic trend shit factory lubed cherry reds are what I like.
Cherry didn't even do factory lubing until very recently (MX2A), and it's so bad that people prefer buying unlubed ones. You most likely never used factory lubed cherry reds.

>>103834103
Technically they did with MX whites, since the bit of lube they put in the switch is what made it a "soft" click. It's also why the click was so inconsistent.

139€ for apex pro mini wireless
234€ wooting 80he
203€ wooting 60he+

what do I consoom

>>103836623
get a venom pcb and a compatible case, or a magger68

>>103837104
do those come in ISO
I'm not a custom cuck
I just want good HE

>>103823668
are those ceramic?

>>103837472
Idnt ply frnte

>the best sounding keyboard I own is the cheapest, a Feker Galaxy 80 I bought on sale on amazon for $50
>built with Gatereon Baby Kangroos and MT3 keycaps.

Probably best type feel too, which is funny. It has this wonderfully creamy sound. I love listening to when typing. It sounds like a 500 dollar keyboard. My favorite keyboard is still the expensive one I got because of aesthetics but I love using this one for work.

>reasonably priced
>perfect layout
>looks great
>very good case
an ideal keyboard right?
NO
20 MS FUCKING INPUT DELAY
FUCK

i'm selling mine i need something as similar as possible
fucking V1 MAX fixed the input lag but they dont make them without the stupid fucking knob

>>103837472
Isn't it banned in competitive games now too? Or at least a few? I expect it that to keep happening.

>>103828924
>>103828934
>>103832602
I ended up buying a ducky origin vintage with cherry reds for 60 usd. Has everything I could want with no fluff and feels about the same as the wasd keyboard I paid double that for last time I bought.

>>103841400
Ducky Vintage is great, I have one too, but with blues.

>>103841400
Based don't let them take your money

>>103837285
It's just polished ABS.

>>103842366
Imagine the succccccc

How many keycap sets is too many?

>>103844615
What's the top left set?

>>103844615
When you have more keycap sets than boards to put them on.

>>103845754
Oblotzky SA Oblivion V2
Specifically the Hagoromo ASCII Alphas, Monochrome Modifiers, and the Alternate Function Colors.

Total cost right now would be $45.

>>103837472
correct, minus I don't play it
now answer the question, the wireless and the mini would be good
close enough in perf to the wooting
the only thing I wonder is the programmable layers if they are shit or not on the apex?

wooting ships like late next fucking month or the 80he in three fucking months
the apex is 50% off and cheaper

send help

>>103833883
Was gonna say QK100 but it looks like they stopped selling them. Was also gonna say the Cannonkeys Brutal V2 (when it goes on sale), but then I saw your follow-up post, and it's not wireless. As far as I'm aware there aren't any dark blue Zoom98 keyboards still around. So I don't have anything to recommend.

Can I just take out the gaskets on a prebuilt gasket mount board or is it not that easy

>>103846094
What board and for what reason?

guess I will buy a wooting and call it a day

>>103845838
>Total cost right now would be $45.
Honestly not a bad price for an SA set if you like the aesthetic.

>>103846376
Buy a ducky

I have an Anne Pro 2 in a really heavy Aluminum with Steel Plate enclosure. I really like it. However I've wanted a GMMK Pro TKL, but I'm not sure if I get a keyboard like that I'll actually like it better than what I already have.
I got lucky when I got this keyboard I bought it used off of ebay for about $40. Somebody spent a lot more on this keyboard than I did.

Pic isn't mine but it's like it.

Fuck, I forgot that Kailh Box switches have a much smaller clearance for spring diameter compared to other stems, so I can't use these ones I got from Geon some time ago.
Shit. Anyone know some longer springs (preferably in the 18-22mm range) with good tolerances that would fit some Box switches? In the 55-60g range. I see some listed "for Kailh, Gateron, etc." on Aliexpress, but they don't list anything besides the length and weighting, and others say they're ~4mm in diameter which is too wide. No weight tolerances listed at all either.

>>103848020
Last I checked sprit sells kailh box springs, should be able to find what you need there.

>>103761057
OP your pic is a keyboard stained in period blood, shit taste.

>>103847210
>I'm not sure if I get a keyboard like that I'll actually like it better than what I already have.
Yes, anything larger than 60% will be an improvement over 60%, the size for fags

>>103848344
Retard

>>103848148
Seems like the 50g Slows are what I'm looking for, shame they don't have any in stock.

>>103849162
He's not wrong 60% is for women or morons.

How do you go about grabbing the keyboard in the OP? Wait until what looks like a February ship date of the first wave is done?

>>103808434
membrane

>>103851363
I'm used to those group buys being fucked unless you order early. If you aren't pre-ordered you'll be lucky if they have stock at all, and often it'll only be B-stock leftovers that weren't good enough to ship to ta pre-order customer.

found great, cheap, mechanical keyboard for my gf, thank You for nothing brown-skin losers

>>103848320
I don't take advice or correction from people whose posts are full of mentions of bodily fluids and excretions.

>>103852081
>stencil font for le cheap light look
You don't love your imaginary gf, nigga

hey, does anybody itt have ws morandi switches? should i lube/film them or do i leave them as factory lubed?

>>103854920
Not strictly needed to lube them yourself, the stock lube job is pretty good. The housings seemed pretty tight from what I remember so I don't think filming is necessary.

>>103854920
I didn't have a great impression of Morandi switches, although I only have ten of them so I haven't done a full board. I don't think lubing and filming is necessary the way it is with some Cherry or Gateron switches

Quick impressions from a one key test of the Gateron Longjing Tea tactile:

- Noticeably more tactile than an MX brown, but still could be described as a light tactile with strong association of the bump to the actuation.
- Very little stem wobble compared to other brown-like switches I've tried
- POM housing gives it a more muted sound. Doesn't have the U-shaped nylon sound (deep and bassy and high and clacky at the same time), more of a condensed mid-range note. Some will perceive this as deeper-sounding.
- Tight fit in the plate. Having a very tight fit eliminates some undesirable hotswap sound.
- Feels comparable in heaviness to my Durock Light Tactiles even though its spring is lighter, probably because of the extra tactility. Could also be related to spring length...and I just confirmed this by opening one. It has a quite long two-stage spring and this has exactly the effect on perceived tactility and spring stiffness that you'd expect. It's possible the bump on the stem is close to an mx brown's and the tactility only feels stronger because of the spring.
- They feel adequately lubed and I don't hear any undesirable spring or leaf noises from the few I've tried.

Overall the first impressions are good, although I'm not sure that I like the POM sound. I'll probably try doing a full board with them to get a deeper impression.

>>103855456
One more thing... the switch can be filmed, but it's awkward to do because of the design of the LED diffuser, and I couldn't hear any improvement from it.

>>103855713
Why would you film them if there's no stem wobble? That's probably why you didn't notice any improvement though.
I mean I guess testing if you can fit them is one thing, so I guess it's not that weird.

>>103855992
>Why would you film them if there's no stem wobble?
To tighten the fit between the housing pieces, which sometimes improves the sound. I don't know what stem wobble has to do with that, except that it's one sign that the switch might have loose tolerances in general.

>>103855992
Filming switches isn't done to fix stem wobble, it's to fix housing wobble. A side effect of eliminating housing wobble is also eliminating a rattly sound in the switch.
https://youtu.be/ndT_TTQLflI?t=383

>>103856032
>>103856119
Yeah I had a brainfart, thanks for correcting me.

>>103855033
>>103855085
i did try opening up a morandi switch and its by far the most difficult switch i tried to open up, the housing is mad tight.
as for the lubing, it seems as the factory lubing job was to only lightly lube the pole and nothing else, which isnt necessarily bad. im gonna tryh it out with my kb and if it feels scratchy ill do some lubing on my own

>>103857763
qmk and zmk already implemented this with layers

>>103857763
Autobots
roll out

>>103858542
A mouse is revealed under your hand lmao

>>103857763
Cool, but what would even be the use case for this? Ergo boards should be paired with a standing desk anyway if you really wanna maximize that shit.
I also don't think much of them saying it helps with interrupting mental flow from "not moving your hands as much", that just sounds like bullshit. There's plenty of other technical tasks that involve moving your hands from one position to the next sporadically and I don't see people just sitting there going "DUHHHHHHHH" waiting to remember what it was they were doing/trying to accomplish, simply from moving their hands over a few inches.
Like watchmakers/repairmen reaching for a spring off to the side or something, or smaller electronics tinkering reaching for a pair of tweezers.

>>103857763
what in retardation?

post split orthos

>>103857763
This is just the keyboardfag equivalent of Rodney Dangerfield's fucking Caddyshack golf bag lmao

Gateron Longjing Tea update: I'm finding it very difficult to avoid accidental double-presses with these switches. Something to do with the actuation point and the bump, I don't know. But it's happening enough that I'm wondering if the switches are even usable. It's possible that this is being caused by some habit I developed using mx browns, and will resolve itself with more use. But it's not a good sign.

In many other ways the switch is good, and there's a lot good I could say about it. If someone wanted an mx brown that was a little more tactile and less clacky, which is lubed and has good tolerances and doesn't need any fussing, etc., this would be that switch. But the double inputs... I will continue using them for a while to see if the problem goes away with a little acclimation.

>>103857763
The cool thing about this is that in their best case scenario demonstration he gets a hold of the mouse much slower than I do when I switch to using the mouse with my normal keyboard

>>103856617
I tried opening one myself to see what you meant and it was strangely difficult, exactly as you said, but this seemed to be due to the design of the hooks, not because the housing fit was particularly snug. I was able to get a switch film in with ease. Without one I could feel a tiny bit of give when I tried to twist and wobble the housing. From that I'd say it's plausible that filming could improve Morandis, but I wasn't about to do the a/b comparisons to find out (they're usually so subtle that it might just be placebo anyway).

Need recs
>Budget
~$300
>Location (continent at least)
US
>Preferred switch type
Already have switches, keycaps
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
65, 40, 65 with southpaw numpad, unconventional meme layouts welcome, barebones welcome
>Backlight
not needed but it's fine if it has it
>Previous/current keyboards
Keychron C1
KBDfans tofu65

Green case would be cool but not necessary.

>>103858583
you have to do a hand gesture to reach it, may as well move your hand to a mouse that doesn't suck

>>103860709
Neo's got a 65 and a 60 with full brass (or copper) bottom coming soon. Knowing them there should be a green option.

Daring Run has a 65 with some extra macro columns and a couple of buttons (?) and it comes in green. It's well under your budget. The in-stock sale starts soon but hasn't started yet. It's Daring Run so it won't be the best board ever. But I like my Flip 6p, in spite of everything...

Geon is prototyping a mini 40% version of the F1 722 right now, I think the GB starts later this year. I don't expect it'll come in green, but if you want a meme 40%...

Mode's keyboards all have green options as far as I'm aware, but it's a grayish sort of green.

MM Keyboards has the Class60 right now, but no green. It does come with a solenoid and buzzer though, so that's fun. It just barely makes it into the budget. They've only got white and navy at Keebsforall, idk if there are other vendors.

Speaking of Keebsforall they also still have a Yamanote Line Zoom65, that's the train themed one with some lime green accents on it and an IMO cool fluted design on the rear edge. Knob though

Another lime green board is the Dymium 65 at OrdinaryLabs, but it doesn't seem like a great deal. Fixed layout hotswap-only, knob, blocker... It wouldn't be my first choice

I looked around and that's the stuff I saw. We're in a bit of a drought right now.

>>103858968
Not ortho but it is split.

>>103860709
I'm kind of sad to see after all this time Rick Owens is very much still playing the hits. Just looked at some of the old local shops that still carry his stuff and it's all Geobaskets, Ramones. Geobaskets probably paid for his house, so I get it, but I always thought maybe he's come up with another big meme shoe. Wondered what it would look like. Doesn't seem to have happened.

What's a good black on black keycap set? I want something close to the black HHKB keycaps but with all the keys needed for a TKL.
I was considering PBS black on black which seems to actually have a very dark gray base with black legends, but I'm not too sure about trying out a meme profile that's somehow even smaller than DSA for $65.

>>103790593
Name?

>>103862681
tex shinobi/shura

>>103862654
Shenpo makes a black on black 2048 set for $35 or so on aliexpress.

But I should warn... you don't really know how much you rely on legends until you try some that are hard to read. I touch type and black on black fucked me up a lot more than I thought it would

>>103766073
Tofu60 v2 has mounts for multiple layouts

>>103790593
Top looks sexy and also good for your wrists

>Budget
$50
>Location (continent at least)
europe
>Preferred switch type
linear
>Layout
ansi
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
optional
>Previous/current keyboards
cheap membrane shit
as a humble poor european cheapshit I'm looking for a kb that'll serve me for more than 3 months. i want you to shill me your choice. i know nothing and i rely on Your expertise.

Thinking about getting a Q0 max but before i spend a stupid amount on just a pad are there any good alternatives that still have the metal case and extra macro keys?

>>103863433
>100%
>budget: $50
probably not happening desu. mechanical switches aren't cheap.
you can get a royal kludge 60% with linears for $50 on amazon though
>>103863724
probably not unfortunately

new thread >>103863839 since this one is going to be dead soon

>>103863724
there's a plastic clone, zuoya gmk26

>>103863433
This is missing a few keys but Redragon K686 PRO MAX or SE. It's a plastic one.

>>103863433
$50 full size mechanical keyboards exist on aliexpress, but... I can't in good conscience recommend them...

>replacement thread died with barely any replies before the original thread despite it hitting bump limit
Don't think I've seen that before.

There's no point in making a new thread until this one completely prunes.

How do the fuck do I get into BIOS with a mechanical keyboard? Using Keychron Q1, pressing del doesn't do anything. Neither does FN + del.

I actually have to plug in my old membrane, where del works just fine