Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia alone. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

Hair is love, hair is life!
Previous: >>18345206

Also reminder that you can get fin prescriptions for $14 right now, you only need pics of your hairline and crown they'll send the prescription to the pharmacy of your choice within 4 hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emhyp4J_sSQ

qrd / tldw
>former U.S. national guard soldier
>bodybuilder for 15 years
>has everything going in life, educated, successful career, spouse, etc.
>no prior mental health issues

>starts taking (((finasteride))) and experiences...
>brain fog
>insomnia
>anhedonia
>slurred speech
>motherfucking SKULL SHRINKAGE
>feels zero emotions
>lost the ability to sweat
>perpetually zoned out

>quits finasteride
>severe muscle loss
>can't get gym pumps anymore
>rest of the problems persist for over 2 years and continue to this day

Finasteride basically took everything away from him.
And yet there are disgraceful dipshit zoomers here who claim that post finasteride syndrome isn't real, you must feel really proud of yourselves.

>>18359770
I bet you're the spiro poster, which actually causes brainfog.

>>18359770
post your hair with a timestamp, tryna see something :)

>>18359770
What changed facially? I just see he looks a bit more pale and depressed in the last 2 pics

>>18359770
As soon as I read “shrunken skull” I knew this was bullshit. This guy is probably collecting extra gibs from the National Guard and is blaming post-finasteride syndrome.

>>18359770
>take 4 different photos, in 4 different lighting environments, from 4 different forward-facing angles, probably at 4 different focal lengths
>dude what the fuck my head is shrinking???
LMFAOO

i got my fin prescription today, bros! it's a relief feeling like i can finally do something to, at the very least, protect the hair i still have. cause even if i'm not happy with my hairline, i've watched guys spend thousands of dollars on hairline replacement to get back to around where i'm at (give or take for how hard i am on myself/how much i blow my hairline out of proportion), so i try to be thankful for what's there and wanna protect it until i can afford to enhance it.

do you guys take the whole pill, or split it and take one every 12 hours? i vaguely remember seeing some talk ITT about how it's better to take 0.5mg twice a day cause it keeps the amount of fin in your body more consistent at any given time.

(((They))) want to finish white men with finasteride. They tell you it has no consequences and that you can have your cake and eat it too. That DHT (the most important male hormone) is useless and toxic. Nature doesn't know what it's doing, right?

The thing is this (((FDA))) approved drug strips you of all your masculinity. It makes you start behaving and thinking like a girl. You become emotional, angry, and irritable. It also fucks up your brain since DHT is important for remembering with accuracy and solving complex issues. Little by little interest in women starts to vanish and your dick starts feeling like a foreign object. You start feeling dead inside since the masculine energy is stopped and depression starts to kick in. If you quit it suddenly you can permanently crash your hormones and remain in that state forever.

If you take this drug stop it right fucking now. But not abruptly. Slowly remove it from your system or it will be permanent. It's an extremely chemically castrating drug that will permanently damage you even in small doses.

The shills go crazy because it's final step to make sure you become a "beautiful one" twink and stop impregnating women. Unfortunately baldness is prevalent in white men and they found a way to eradicate you by selling you false hope. There's no way of going against nature without serious consequences. DON'T TAKE THE PILL NO MATTER WHAT.

>>18359920
>you become emotional, angry, and irritable
ironically, traits one might also use to describe bald men. guess you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, cueball. LOL

>>18359914
Take 1mg a day in 1 dose. Finasteride will build up over time in your body so don't worry about taking more frequent doses

>>18359920
>nature doesn't know what it's doing
Tell that to every person with an inherited disease and cancer. By that logic avoid treatment too. Idiot.

Current stack: 2.5mg dut, ru58841 3%, topical minox.

New stack: 2.5mg dut, official pyrilutamide 0.5%, ru58841 4% (using topical min as vehicle) , oral minox 2.5mg.
Also looking to get some alfatradiol raw powder.

I want to be able to slick back my hair. I am already seeing some regrowth in the temples. I just need to push on through and keep at this stack to ascend

>>18359865
nothing, its just untreated mental illness.

>>18359770
Based PFStard getting fpbp in every single balding thread. Anyone retarded enough to fall for this bait deserves to lose their hair, thank you for filtering low-quality posters.

>>18359865
>>18359888
>>18359910
His face did shrink but it's because he stopped using roids. Your facial muscles grow larger if you're on roids.

just came to post about this recent personal win.

ive been having this terrible tenderness/pain around the area of my crown where i am balding. I am maybe like 3 years on fin, and have been sparsely taking 2% ketoconazole shampoo. the keto shampoo helped a little bit, but some pain still persisted and also quickly returned. i have since last week used a zinc pyrthione shampoo and my scalp tenderness/pain is like 97% gone. i am hoping to see hair gains as well but it has only been a week.

>>18359982
Yeah, I too noticed that he gets the first post most of the time, strange. Maybe it's OP trolling us.

>>18359921
Imagine thinking you're like us full headed kings. Hope your pills castrate you so you don't pass your bald genes

>>18359927
thanks bro!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpZqyCQDNQ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3IQ6vqlDj0

Supposedly spironolactone is being researched at low doses in men. But it is certainly not a first line treatment. Would do high dose dut and topical AA then finally low dose 25mg spiro which shouldn't cause feminisation in most men.

I wouldn't until there is more research though and if it fucks with muscle etc im out.

>>18360055
the PFS retard is always on here just lurking, he's too retarded to hijack the general tho

>>18359754
>>18359755
masturbation causes hair loss

i have grown a ton of peach fuzz in my receded areas now, 3 months after starting the meds. i really hope these turn into proper hairs... i could go back to nw2.

>>18360189
If you're at the point where you are needing to supplement dut with spiro your hair is probably beyond saving regardless. They are implying it should be the last resort to potentially block that last 7% of DHT by reducing your testosterone which can be converted into DHT rather than blocking the conversion itself. Tldr its 7% better than placebo when combined with dut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehk_h_Uj6k

How legit is this, seriously? It's been about 2 years since it came out. Is it actual bro science or is there at least some kernels of truth to this?

>>18360998
if youre dumb enough to fall for it then i dont know what to tell you anon. go flex those muscles hard.

>>18360189
If dut can't save your hair, you should go for RU instead of spiro. Spiro has way too many side effects and risks involved, might as well nuke yourself with RU.

pills I've swallowed today: 1 (vitamin D)
weird chemicals I've put in my perfect hair today: 0
minutes spent analyzing hairline in mirror today: 0
feels good not having bald genes

I really want my beard to be thicker. My goatee/mustache area is super thick, but my cheeks aren't nearly as full. I have a full face beard, but I just wish my beard on my cheeks was as thick as it is in my goatee/mustache area. What actually works?

>>18361355
Minoxidil, there's a whole subreddit dedicated to putting it on your face with good results, you could also try oral min.

>>18359754
>drug treatment thread
Not fashion related
>>>/fit/

gb2 reddit where this shit belongs
literal pharma shill thread

>>18360297
Why is the top of his head so flat? Also why the fuck is it so long in the back?

>>18361438
reddit is where yu spread retatd fud and post your bald head with an epic reddit cope beard.

Get fit, grow a beard and shave. Simple as.

>>18361724
how can anyone tell themselves this looks good? he looks like a gay middle aged dude who tries to drug rape teens at a club.

>>18361750
yet he's straight and fucks hot bitches that op could only dream of.

>>18361355
yeah it works but you be careful of bloating and premature aging

>>18361755
look i understand you need to cope with your bald head so I'll let you fantasize. remember to post your beard on r/beards for upvotes too.

>>18359770
hello im a tranny, finasteride does not cause any bone shrinkage, please trust me because we would literally all take it if it did
also please dont ever take spiro, it is literally the very worst anti androgen in existence and is unironically partly responsible for diapertrannies

>>18361507
he got smushed as a child ig

>>18361858
don't bother, 30% of this general is like 3 retards schizoing out on each other

i want to believe....

how are so many guys ok with going bald

>>18361952
most guys go bald in their 30s and by thay point you usually have mortgage and actual health problems and maybe a family to worry about so balding doesnt register as hard as it did in your early 20s.

>>18361952
Because after a certain age it literally doesn't matter

>>18361966
it always matters man. in its history USA has had like 1 bald president even though they were all at least middle aged. having hair makes you perceived as having youth and vigor.
its just thay with age, you get a shit ton of other issues and you may start wishing balding was your biggest problem.

>>18361604
Precisely
>>>/reddit/

>>18361973
>it matters because.. US presidents
It must be the finastebrain speaking

>>18361983
sub 100 iq.

>>18361890
I noticed my hairline doing this at about the 6 month mark. It took a damn long time for it to fill in and not look like my hairline was thinning when it was actually lowering

>>18362001
its only been 3 months for me. god i hope it grows in full. im not suited for a bald head.

>>18359754
That or quit being a bitch and just shave your head.
Totally bald now for almost a decade.
Women love bald men with beards. Looks 100x better than desperately trying to hold onto it. Something very confident about a man that can walk around bald without a care.
But keep paying for this shit just to be laughed at behind your back.

>>18362286
the seething baldcel coping with a beard and telling others how much women like him has become such a caricature that i can no longer tell if this anon is being sincere or just memeing.

>>18362286
You do realize you can use these drugs to prevent going bald in the first place right? Maintaining most norwood stages look objectively better than a bald head in virtually every scenario. I haven't seen an example of someone actually improving their looks by going bald besides The Rock, so 1 person.

>>18362311
And even then I'm not 100% sure he looks better bald. He looks way better with hair here, including more confident.

>>18362292
Never having your head rubbed by a room full of women. Instant conversation starter.
Also helps to be 6'2" and built.
Good luck. Maybe try with the boys. Might work better for you.

>>18362314
well he is a billion years older on the right. his hair texture looks hella stupid, i think buzzcut fits him perfectly, but you're right in that BALDING doesnt look more atttactive on him either, a shaved head does. with a good hairline he would look younger. people get SMP after all.

>>18362311
Cope.
Nothing says low confidence desperation that taking drugs to enhance what is basically a comb over. Best of luck brother. Women love confidence and walking into a room bald like you own it makes them drip. What better way to advertise your testosterone dominance.

>>18362323
hey, we all cope our own ways. if pretending being bald looks good is what keeps you sane, then who am i to criticize you. you go live your best life.

>>18362311
I'm not doing that
In fact I think I'll take drugs to LOSE my hair, just to increase the challenge level

>>18362323
>>18362327
I wonder if these "confident bald alphamale" types ever notice the contradictions in their own dogma. being bald is totally cool and awesome but it must always be coupled with being muscular and tall... sounds almost like being bald sucks and you need to compensate for it by doing everything else you possibly can. but even then youre just a bald, lesser version of what you could have been.

>>18362342
>even then youre just a bald, lesser version of what you could have been.
Yeah obviously
What are you going to do about it though? You can't really prevent it with medication
So just make the most of it
You're stuck with the genetic hand you're dealt

>>18362350
this thread is exactly about preventing it, lad. if you start the drugs before the balding gets real bad you have a good chance of recovering a full head of hair. and theres transplants too of course.

>>18362328
>>18362342
Keep looking desperate to hold on to that last wisp. Screams winner loud and clear.
Best of luck.

>>18362350
And that is what breeds confidence that women can literally smell.

>>18362325
This was with a buzzcut before he lost his hair

>>18362410
thats a horribly receded hairline anon. try to photoshop it to look like nw1.

>>18362424
nice work. i would say he looks a lot more youthful and healthy that way than with the clean shaven look.

>>18362428
Yeah, a completely shaved head will never look entirely healthy because it's so unnatural

>>18362429
when people say they look fine with a shaved head they still have a hairline. without a hairline it's night and day

Hollywood even spray hairlines on the top inspirational bald guys. they are both nw6 without makeup artists

>>18362323
>>18362327
>coming to a balding thread to brag about how happy and confident you are about being bald
sad. stick to trying to convince yourself in the mirror, buddy. we're not buying it. LOL

>>18360189
Yep. Tiktok chads been redpilling people for over a year now. And faggot OP still pretends its a "tranny" drug. lol ok, stay bald then?

>>18359754
I have much more hair right now, but I kind of like the idea of just letting it go, like Larry David and Bernie Sanders usually have their hair, if I ever lose that much hair.

>>18362711
Yeah but they're like 80 years old. If you went out in public with that haircut before the age of 60 you would look like you have some kind of mental disorder instead of an old man

how to deal with constipation induced by finasteride? What even is causing this? There is a very stark difference in my bowel habits, gut health & poop texture before I took fin and after I took fin, an experiment I'd tried for atleast 3 times(took fin for 5-6 months only to stop taking it for 2-3 months when my brain and gut couldn't handle it, over a span of 2 years)

>>18363302
try topical or switch to dut.

>>18363310
> dut.
don't think I can get dut prescription.
>tropical
visibly less symptoms, yes, but had little effect on my hair. I also don't wish to spend 15-20 mins a day applying it on my scalp m8

>>18363317
>but had little effect on my hair
decent effect infact but not as good as oral fin, and I don't think it'll last for long**

>>18363320
>>18363317
fuck if i know. gut problems are an unsolved issue. try the usual stuff like fiber and probiotics.

>>18363321
>gut problems are an unsolved issue
has this been a known issue with fin?

>>18363404
no, i meant in general. i feel like everyone has IBS these days.

>>18363411
I've had gut issues(just feeling uneasy in the gut area), but a visibly noticeable constipation was certainly not part of it. The poop is just so darn more thicker, stickier, stinkier,and it's just hard to poop. I can always feel something heavy in my lower left abdomen whenever I'm on fin. Heck, my poop was super mushy & watery b4, but things have drastically changed now.

>>18363445
Are you allergic to any of the pill fillers?
>Lactose monohydrate, cellulose microcrystalline (E460), starch pregelatinised, sodium starch glycolate (Type A), magnesium stearate (E470b), docusate sodium. The coating of these tablets contains hypromellose (E464), titanium dioxide (E171), macrogol and indigo carmine (E132)
As far as I know, lactose intolerance can make you constipated but idk

>>18363472
any commonly used pills that contain these? I haven't had any issues whatsoever with any pills I'd taken in the past except for finasteride.

is it true it takes 3 months to see any effect from fin?
when do I get the temporary testosterone boost from starting it?

>>18363564
lol

>>18362636
Should Spiro be used alone or together with finasteride?

>>18363663
depends if you want to become a woman

My hairline sucks but I don't think im actively losing any.
Do I just take min? How do I know if topical will work for me? I see a years supply of the stuff on amazon for like 50$ and im tired of letting my shitty balding head control my appearance

The struggle of not knowing if you just have a typical Nordic-Germanic long-skull or a receding hairline... Aryanbros, how are we supposed to tell?

>>18363781
you are balding retard

>>18363564
Depends how well you respond. Sometimes the only effect you see is no further balding. You should wait at least 6 months for signs of regrowth but the longer the better with fin.

>>18363738
Minoxidil only stimulates hair and can cause you to regrow and improve density. You need to block DHT to actually control your hair and prevent further loss.

Imagine fitting the phenotype that finasteride was designed to mimic, to stop 5-alpha reductase activity in hair follicles, and still ending up with this shitty hairline. Nature is a joke.

>>18364297
This nigger on the other hand has a feminine hairline.
Thank Christ for inbred niggers, otherwise scientists wouldn’t have been able to make finasteride.

what type of balding is picrel? i mean which pattern or is it streess induced?

>>18364360
Diffuse thinning but in a pattern that is often observed in females, not males.

>>18361724
Impossible for me to grow a beard unfortunately
this is 2 weeks no shaving

>>18364385
blocking dht would work there or no?

>>18364403
Yes, if you’re a male. Fin and dut would halt it, maybe even reverse it to some extent, depending on how far it has progressed. Adding min would help too.
Not so much if you’re a female though.

>>18361724
Looks very homosexual. Don't do this. But don't take tranny meds either. And trying to hide it will make you look pathetic. So embrace it instead and acquire sigma male energy.

>>18364478
why are all these "balding with dignity" guys always over 50 years old?

>>18364517
so fucking sigma, cant wait to look like this. flushing my finasteride pills down the toilet right now.

>>18364495
Because everyone younger shaves it off or takes tranny meds at the first sight of hair loss. Men today are emasculated and care too much what others think. I've been told that the shaved head trend really started in the 2000s and it's obvious that men rarely had shaved heads in previous decades if you watch old movies or talk to older relatives.

>>18364517
Bro is cherry picking.

>>18364533
or maybe balding as a young man is just fucking embarrassing and the only "positive examples" are middle aged or older.

Why do men get squeamish when I make the argument that fin and other DHT blockers are a form of gender affirming care?
You take it because you got bit by the balding brainworm and and having to see your balding head gives you body dysmorphia

So I just get fin and min to salvage this?

>>18364544
How am I cherry-picking, you dumb zoomer? The vast majority of balding men lack the looks, persona and charisma to pull it off. I could say the same about you using someone like Anthony Hopkins as an example, but the man never even had great hair, was never considered to be exceptionally good looking, and his success was never based on his appearance.

>hairy as fuck everywhere since elementary
>balding at 25
why

>>18364560
this isnt scientific but from what i have seen there is a good chance you can regrow a hairline like this. if you want more you will very likely need a transplant.

>>18364590
because body hair and balding are caused by the same hormone, dht.

>>18364533
>it's obvious that men rarely had shaved heads in previous decades if you watch old movies or talk to older relatives.
Yeah I remember some old Al Pacino movie from the 70s where he's a lawyer, one of his colleagues shows up one day with a shaved head. Everyone is shocked, and takes it as proof that the guy has suffered a nervous breakdown.
Might have been "And Justice For All"

>>18364576
>How am I cherry-picking, you dumb zoomer?
I've never seen anyone with such unfortunate hair loss. Now, that could certainly be because they shave it off, understandably so. But I've never seen anyone in pictures from the past or old movies with such catastrophic hair loss. It's not common, I would say.

>The vast majority of balding men lack the looks, persona and charisma to pull it off.
Just stop caring what people think. I can guarantee you that most people don't care where your hairline is. Most women don't care about your hairline unless it's as horrible as your previous picture. What is truly horrible is making weak and anxious men think they need to take tranny meds. This is criminal and I wonder if there are financial interests behind this.

>I could say the same about you using someone like Anthony Hopkins as an example, but the man never even had great hair, was never considered to be exceptionally good looking, and his success was never based on his appearance.
So you admit I wasn't cherry picking. My message as a hair positivity activist is this: Just be yourself and don't take tranny meds!

>>18364617
>Just stop caring what people think. I can guarantee you that most people don't care where your hairline is. Most women don't care about your hairline unless it's as horrible as your previous picture. What is truly horrible is making weak and anxious men think they need to take tranny meds. This is criminal and

i wonder if anyone truly believes this platitude nonsense, its so tired its not worth addressing.

>I wonder if there are financial interests behind this.

the patent for finasteride expired ages ago. its available as a generic and costs like 20 dolllars a year. theres a bigger chance razor companies are employing you to shill people to accept le epik bald look.

All criminal furtherers of tranny meds will be exposed.

>>18364617
Nah, I disagree. People don’t care where your hairline is, as long as you have a decent one with good density behind it. You can get away with a “bad” hairline or even a bald head as long as you have other qualities (personality, facial features, money, status, etc.) to make up for it--enough to make people overlook it. Anthony Hopkins is known for being a great actor, and most people recognize him as Hannibal, a charismatic character that inspired teenagers to write smutty fanfic about him at some point. Why someone would look at him and think, “Oh, I don’t mind his hair; it looks alright,” has nothing to do with his hair actually looking good, or even his physical appearance.
>hair positivity activist
You can’t be positive about something that doesn’t exist though

>>18364621
>i wonder if anyone truly believes this platitude nonsense, its so tired its not worth addressing.
You lost, tranny meds furtherer.

>>18364478
your own example is on fin and had a transplant. oops

>>18364634
Pic related is him in 2023 so I doubt it. Now I have to ask you why you are promoting harmful tranny meds to young men?

>>18364638
A transplant maybe. But no tranny meds.

>>18364641
>enter a thread about balding and its treatment
>wtf why are people talking about finasteride
mystery for the ages

>>18364641
are you blind? he is a norwood 6 on the left (2000) vs a full head of hair in 2016 (right)

>>18364643
So a transplant is okay? Huh. I thought the whole point was about self-acceptance and embracing it. Also, a man in his 80s would be more than likely on an even higher dose of finasteride to be able to take a piss in the morning, so I’m not sure why you’re using tranny this tranny that as an argument.

>>18364644
I see you're coping after I exposed you, criminal tranny. Losing hair doesn't mean one has to take your harmful meds.

>>18364641
Posting pictures of other men to set an example is not very chad sigma based. Post your own hair as an example instead.

>>18364649
It's about male hairline positivity but if someone wants to shave or get a transplant it's up to him. It's mainly about stopping the criminal marketing of harmful tranny drugs.

>>18364593
Ok so it only takes me from nw3 to nw2?
Better than nothing I guess

>>18364650
dont worry pal, the only meds I'd ever push on you are antipsychotics.

>>18364660
yeah i mean there are some miracle recovery stories online, but most people just recover a little bit of hair and fin helps them hang onto it. its really a preventative med with a bonus for some regrowth, not a magic hair potion.

>>18364659
You’re just as mentally ill as a tranny. Someone posted a picture of a guy with a shaved head and a long beard, and your reply was “Looks very homosexual. Don't do this. Here’s a picture of a middle-aged man with no hairline. Do this instead.”
You’re either trolling or very psychologically distressed from the fact that you’re going bald. Either way, no more (You)s from me.

>>18364662
>Gets exposed.
>Starts calling the exposer schizo.
I see through your tricks, tranny.

>>18364678
The only person getting exposed for being a bald crab is you.

>>18364678
you arent exposing anyone but yourself, as a retard.

Can you make your own shitpost thread please?

>>18364690
all general threads are always shitposting thread thoughbeit

>>18364396
Using minoxidil foam daily on your beard is a thing, and it might be useful in your case.
Groom your beard, even if it's just stubble, minox foam it once or twice a day for a few months, and see where you end up.

>>18364692
Generals are usually like 85% focused shitposting and 15% a handful of anons effortposting.

>>18364698
>>18364396
Min can't create new hair out of nothing but it will take minatur(ized) hairs and make them terminal. In the case of MPB, it can reverse miniaturization to an extent and "bring hair back", in the case of a beard it can take invisible hairs and turn them into proper ones.
Beard gains with min are usually permanent once the hair goes terminal because there's no DHT trying to kill the follicles. I think in theory, if the follicle wasn't too damaged, that SOME scalp min gains can be kept after cessation if you stay on top of blocking DHT.

>>18364700
>I think in theory, if the follicle wasn't too damaged, that SOME scalp min gains can be kept after cessation if you stay on top of blocking DHT.
That’s not true

>>18364708
They would if fin started working on those same follicles. Min can't make your follicle larger than they are biologically and miniaturization by DHT can be reversed by blocking it. The hair may shed without min but would regrow in a more healthy state pre min

>>18364629
>You can get away with a “bad” hairline or even a bald head as long as you have other qualities (personality, facial features, money, status, etc.)
So earn money and learn to be funny. No need for harmful tranny meds then.

>>18364755
I will if you show me your hairline

>>18364768
I could do that, but why? It feels like a violation of privacy. You first.

>>18364748
Even in theory, scalp DHT cannot be reduced to zero, not even with dutasteride. The underlying cause of hair miniaturization is there regardless of which 5ar inhibitor you’re taking. Why minoxidil stimulates hair growth is not fully understood, even for facial hair.

>>18364779
>It feels like a violation of privacy
No it’s not. You can blur your face.
>You first
Sure.

>>18364791
Ok. That's you on tranny meds? This is me on pure sigma male vitality.

>>18364800
>pure sigma male vitality
>Pic resolution is 253x229
Not so confident with your hair now, are you? I can only see pixels, pussy. A closer look, please.

>>18361355
will trigger shedding on your scalp even if you only apply it to beard area
there's tons of people who posted about this exact scenario on reddit. then you're forced to apply it to your scalp as well and you're on it for life until you decide to go bald.

>>18361365
>oral min
heart attack pill

>>18359754
>Reminder that if you can clearly see your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning
you can see my scalp when my hair is dry, especially in sunlight or under harsh light. I remember noticing several years ago and freaking out, reading about finasteride, minoxidil, research chemicals, etc. but eventually I realized that's just how my hair looks, the individual strands are very thin. probably a deficiency or something, but at least I'm not balding. my hairline hasn't moved in the 3-4 years since I started tracking it.

>>18364787
Plenty of people get regrowth from the ~70% reduction from fin. The reduction in DHT is enough to halt further damage to follicles to occur. Should you respond well to reduced DHT levels then the same follicle being augmented from minoxidil may heal past the need for it at all and thus you would only lose the gains to the follicles which did not recover from reduced DHT

>>18364822
I rest my case.

>>18364827
And that is?

>>18364822
vril

>>18364831
An insecure bald crab shitting up thread because his hair is too far gone. It all makes sense.

>>18364700
So anywhere youve got tiny baby hairs on your scalp will become full hairs with min?

>>18364876
Hairs that miniaturize past 50% of their original size will never become full sized again

>>18364847
By all means keep taking your tranny meds then. I'm not your mommy. We make our choices in life and suffer for our mistakes. You and everyone else here have been warned by me and others and there is apparently nothing that can be done to stop you. I hope you people don't get hurt by these tranny meds, although some of you probably will.

Tranny meds advocates fear the sigma male hairline positivity activist.

>get a prescription for fin 4 years ago
>started dating, literally thought "who cares about hair, i have a gf now", stopped taking meds
>fastforward 4 years, we broke up recently and i am bald as fuck now
do i get the giant retard award? i literally had the keys to keeping my hair and i threw them away. i am back on the meds now but i will definitely be needing an expensive transplant to get anywhere near decent hair.

>>18364995
More like the keys for becoming a tranny femboy buttslut

>>18363663
together

>decreasing sex drive is...le bad!
I don't know about anyone else, but I get annoyed as fuck by the constant urges to go fap. I don't care if I "suffer" the side effects because I don't ever again want to waste an hour gooning and cutting off the problem at the source seems like a pretty good solution to me.

>>18365024
Chop your balls off then.

>>18365030
I would if it was simple and didn't open a whole host of other medical problems

>>18365024
i jacked off 3 times a day before starting fin, and i jack off 3 times a day after starting fin. i wonder how many people blaming finasteride for their decreased sex drive are just blaming fin for their normal aging.

>>18359920
The body bounces back after the crash it doesn't matter if you end it apruptly or not

>>18360034
I've never had that before fin it's so strange

>>18365024
I wish it was just that Fin makes me want to goon and do nothing else unfortunately among other worse sides

>>18364962
You seem to take it personally did you try the tranny meds before?

>>18364814
Oral doesn't reduce it to 70% in the scalp

>>18365024
>Gooner thinks he has to take tranny meds and become a low T beta male to stop habit of self-defilement.
The absolute state of fin trannies.

>>18365061
Never tried it. Never will.

>>18365067
Why do you think finasteride is so bad, baldy?

>>18365066
I already quit fapping jackass. I havent coomed in months
>low T beta male
Oh you're a teenager. Don't worry, you'll be less retarded some day

>>18365070
Because it turns men into low IQ, low T, low vitality, suicidal beta male trannies. They take these tranny meds because they are emasculated and care too much about what women think about their hairlines.

>>18365121
>Low IQ
You sound retarded and you don’t even take it
>Low T
It increases your T
>Low vitality
You’ve been sitting on your ass all day browsing 4chan. Is this the power of dht?
>Beta male trannies
>Emasculated
Bro you look like a bitch. You have all that dht but can’t grow a decent stubble on your face. You don’t represent anything masculine to be saying that shit.

>>18365140
I had just shaved in the picture, you tranny. A sloppy shave I'll admit. But now you can post your full face and we'll see who mogs who.

>>18365162
>Let’s so who mogs who
>I-I-I’m prettier than you
What a little bitch
>I had just shaved in the picture
Your pussy, I’m assuming?

>>18365182
low dht post, show the beard already or are you too scared?

fin and min were released over 30 years ago. anyone else think how fucking crazy it is that they haven't been able to invent another balding treatment in all this time? are they even trying?

>>18365185
Too scared of your pussy juice squirting all over my beard? 0 dht in my system btw

>>18365194
that is one hairy pussy you've got, nice pair of soft looking DSLs too. 0 dht indeed

>>18365192
There are better alternatives but you get demonized for bringing them up. Fincucks are such miserable bucketcrabs, I stg.

>>18365211
legitimately kill yourself groomer micropenis nigger.

>>18365201
>n-n-no u
>I’m so sigma masculine and pretty I mog you
You’re a wimp and a bitch

>>18365182
Post your full face in profile and hide the eye area and we'll let the thread decide who mogs who. Balding beta male on tranny meds vs balding sigma male not on tranny meds. Should be an easy win for you trannies, right?

>>18365236
I could do that, but why would I? I just have hair and you don’t. I never claimed to be good-looking. You, on the other hand, are a delusional hypocrite, a bald crab who wants everyone to sink with him in the bald bucket. You say looks don’t matter, preach self-acceptance and “masculinity,” yet you participate in the looksmaxing zoomer garbage and unironically use words like “mog” and “sigma.” I had to google what DSL means, and Jesus Christ, you’re so masculine, but you look at other men’s lips? You think saying “let’s see who’s prettier” is manly? What a little bitch.

>>18365211
were you the chad who grew all that back with spiro for just 8 months?

>>18365357
>samefagging
kill yourself micropenis nigger

>>18365379
>
are you the schizo who thinks everyone is some black guy from kiwifarms? how many hours are you here a day man? and how bald are you from doing only home remedies? lmaooooooooooooooooo

>>18365388
kill yourself micropenis nigger

>>18365337
Keep coping, ugly tranny. I mog you and you know it. Those tranny meds you shill got nothing on mewing. Mewing doesn't hurt men and turn them into suicidal low T beta males like yourself. And I never said you had DSLs that was another sigma male.

>>18365390
>203 / 39 / 1[U
>>18365379
Yep, it's him. The schizo is here everyone.

>>18365407
>I mog you
Of course you do, pretty boy.

What Norwood am I?

Btw this is 2 anda half years of hair growth

Used to be able to grow this much within months years ago

Pic of hairline

Sorry for quality

>>18365560
right about norwood 3

>>18365575
Too late for minxodil?

>>18365577
You need to stabilize your hair loss first with a DHT blocker like Finasteride or Dutasteride. You can add minoxidil once the underlying cause has been dealt with and hope for some regrowth

So how do you tell the difference between a maturing hairline and MPB?

I know a mature hairline is technically balding, but a lot of guys recede a little bit and then maintain a NW1 or NW2 for decades. Most guys don’t have the same hairline they had when they were 10.

>>18365067
Good for you

>>18365584
What happens if I just use minox and skip on the dht blocker?

>>18365588
Nobody is maintaining a "mature" hairline for decades outside of Hollywood. A NW2 is the same for everyone, you are balding and are currently at stylish stage in your hair loss journey. You will continue to lose your hair at the same rate it took you to reach NW2. Most men begin to recede (bald) in their late teens and by the time they are mid 20s they have lost 2 norwood levels thus creating the myth of the mature hairline.

>>18365593
You may slow down your loss by a couple years at most. Eventually minoxidil will not be able to supplement the sheer amount of miniaturized hairs on your head and you will continue losing hair albeit with more density than without minoxidil

>>18365584
Also wanted to add I've been doing no poo for 2 years now same with no conditioner and as far as I remember my hairline has always been like that. Just growth has been slow

the drugs didnt work on me

>>18365599
That is heavily receded hairline and your forelock is actively thinning out which will begin your transition into the no-coming-back-from norwood stages. Act on it now or accept it and learn to cope, that is the truth and the rest is up to you.

>>18365595
mature hairlines exist, take clint eastwood for example. guy went to nw2-3 and stayed there forever, way before finasteride was discovered.

>>18365609
This is exactly why I prefaced with "Outside of Hollywood". They have been employing all kinds of visual tricks since the advent of the industry. Wigs, transplants, concealers, you name it they use it.

>>18365609
Its Hollywood, I'm sure he was on low dose spiro, it was introduced back in the 60s

>>18365607
How do I get a finn scrip? From a PCP?

>>18365618
Depends where you live. The easiest way is to Google for a online service in your country which specializes in hair loss and pay about $30 for a prescription. For the states those are companies like Keeps and Hims. Find your version of that and contact them.

>>18365609
The guy was like nw4-5 with no temples at all. Not a good example of a ”mature hairline.”

my 5% min came in today, is it just 1ml a day?

it also says you might lose hair faster within the first few weeks, how significant is the loss?

>>18365626
Yes follow the instructions it comes with. What they are talking about is the minoxidil shed. Within 2 weeks to a month or so into treatment your miniaturized hairs will fall out as they resync with your healthy non-miniaturized hairs. The loss can be severe or negligible depending on how miniaturized the affected hairs are.

>>18365630
fuggg maybe I'll wait a bit for the fin to kick in then

>>18365636
The loss is not permanent and is unaffected by finasteride. Your hairs have to shed in order your them to regrow bigger.

>>18365637
If you are truly worried about having thin looking hair for a couple months then my advice is to buzz your hair down during that phase and let in grow back in thicker

>>18365588
>a lot of guys recede a little bit and then maintain a NW1 or NW2 for decades
Don't expect the trannies to acknowledge this. They want to cope, take their tranny meds and become low T, low IQ beta cucks without anyone questioning their gay little cult.

Big Pharma shill thread.

>>18365653
I debunked it. You seem pretty young from that picture and it's going to be rough when you find out your hair isn't going to stay like that for very long. Godspeed I hope the bald look suits you.

>>18365669
i dunno about mature hairline.
my father has the same norwood 2 hairline since 40's and it never changed.
how u explain that?

I have never wanted to be bald.
Is it vain to dislike balding, because it does not allow me to be my ideal self?
Its not even a woman thing, even though by every metric being bald just makes me look worse. I have long since given up on women.

>>18365829
I hate this kind of thinking, you wanting to like what you see in the mirror is not narcissistic or womanly behavior, it's self-love, which is in short supply these days.

>>18365829
I'm the exact same my friend

>>18365829
You have to decide what you want to do about it before it’s too late

>>18365814
I don't need to explain an anecdote that has zero evidence. Is he white?

>>18365829
It's vain to dislike balding. There's also nothing wrong with being a little vain. Being a little vain is the heart of fashion.

This thread is proof fin turns you low IQ and low T. These beta cucks are so emotional and triggered. They have become like women and are seething. All Big Pharma shills have erectile dysfunction.

is microneedling a meme? does it do anything except maybe allow minoxodil to absorb a little better?

Top manufacturers of finasteride:
>Novartis - Indian CEO
Novartis paid $1.2 million to Donald Trump's Jewish lawyer Michael Cohen following the 2017 inauguration. In 2018 Novartis began being investigated by US and Greek authorities for allegedly bribing Greek public officials.
>Merck & Co. - Suspected Jewish CEO
In 2007, Merck paid $2.3 billion to settle allegations of offshore tax fraud. In 2021, an investigation by Reuters revealed that Merck's baldness drug Propecia caused persistent sexual dysfunction in men.
>Teva Pharmaceutical Industries - Jewish Israeli company
In May 2019, Teva Pharmaceuticals USA agreed to pay $85 million to the U.S. state of Oklahoma to settle allegations that it had been overprescribing opioids, marketing them as safe, and downplaying their addictive qualities.
>RelonChem - Company ran by Indians in UK
>Cipla - Indian company
>Zhejiang Conba Pharmaceutical Co. - Mainland Chinese company
>Allergan - Suspected Jewish CEO
In 2022 the parent company of Allergan, AbbVie, payed $2.37 billion in the US to settle lawsuits against Allergan over the marketing of opioid painkillers.
>Dr. Reddy's Laboratories - Indian company with Jewish Israeli CEO
>Henan Topfond Pharmaceutical Co. - Mainland Chinese company.
The parent company of Henan Topfond is China Meheco Group Co., which in turn is owned by the state-owned China General Technology Group.
>Guangdong Eashu Pharmaceutical Co. - Mainlaind Chinese company.

>>18366103
There isn’t enough scientific research to back it up, most of the evidence are anecdotal. I personally have tried it and don’t think it does anything.

>>18365922
ye alpine german

>>18366100
>>18366165
those two strands on your head will be long gone before you reach 30

>>18366355
guy unironically calls himself a "sigma male" and frothes at the mouth about low t beta cucks doing this and that. do you really want to give him attention? these generals are low quality enough without him.

>>18365595
I know some people stuck at norwood 3 or 2 IRL

>>18365192
What about all the research chemicals that failed clinical trials you can buy from russia?
There's been plenty of attempts, it's pretty hard to selectively block anti-androgens without force feminizing yourself.

>>18366435
if they failed clinical trials then you probably shouldnt use them

>>18366448
RU58841 didn’t fail any clinical trials and was abandoned because of financial reasons, so it could be the case with other stuff too, but who knows?

>>18366364
They're not stuck they just haven't balded past it yet

>>18366528
Yeah but some of them wouldn't go past it until old age so who cares, not saying this is a mature hairline per se even ronald reagan types still don't the same hairline as their childhood one, that's what i consider real "maturing" but those are the exception, when you think about it the majority of people have the balding genes just express it at varying degrees.

>>18366753
I know a couple of people who are stuck at nw2-3 too, but I don’t think that fits the definition of a “mature hairline.” A mature hairline is pretty much nw1, like Reagan’s, a hairline that takes an M shape, unlike the juvenile/feminine hairline that has a round shape and vellus hair around the temples. Of course some people get to keep their juvenile hairline, some get stuck at nw2-3 for a decade or two, and some get their juvenile hairline matured into a nw1 and only lose it when they’re old.

>>18366753
It depends on the speed at which you got to your norwood stage. If you are a nw2-3 by your 20s you certainly will not be staying that way. If it took you until your late 30s-40s to reach it then your balding is just incredibly slow not halted. Reagan had zero hair loss not a mature hairline or any of these copes.

>>18359759
I'm so finpilled now I have 2 concurrent fin prescriptions autofilling within days of each other, thanks.

how to deal with finstipation-finasteride induced constipation, bros?

>Fin trannies pay money to Big Pharma Indians and Israelis just to receive tranny meds that make them constipated, impotent, suicidal, depressed, fatigued, low T and cognitively impaired.
Actual mentally ill cucks.

>>18367024
fiber

so does this board ever talk about like, haircare and hairstyles, or are literally all of you bald
>>18367031
true lol, no hormones sucks dick for you

>>18367038
no use m8. B4 fin, I used to only drink 2.5-3 liters of water a day and had no problems at all. Upping my daily water intake to 5 liters is only making me more bloated with a big belly and not helping me get rid of all the poop stored in my large intestine. I think my gut motility is severely affected but I wonder what the mechanism is. My poop is much more thicker, stickier & stinkier. My saliva is more dry even after increasing my daily water intake by a lot

>>18367073
thats an atypical side effect for sure. maybe its the other stuff they put in a pill eather than fin itself? you could try topical fin instead.

>>18367223
>thats an atypical side effect for sure
I don't think so because if the the kind of filler used in fin is commonly used in other medicines commonly used, then it simply is not a filler issue.
>tropical fin
not effective and takes a butt load of time to apply

>Tfw Big Pharma is just Indians and Jews selling poison to dumb Western goyim.
This is a rabbit hole.

>>18367230
well ive been on fin for a pretty long time and ive been active on multiple hairloss related forums and i cant say i have read many people complain about constipation as a side effect. if the usual solutions to constipation dont work then im not sure what to tell you. maybe your body is special.

All doctors who prescribe finasteride must be immediately imprisoned.

>>18366165
>oh no the company that makes anti balding drugs is ... le corrupt
>therefore I must go bald voluntarily
Huh? I don't give a shit about who makes the drug as long as it stops my hair from falling. They could be roasting babies as we speak and I wouldn't give a fuck

>>18367256
fyi finasteride has been fully patent free for over a decade, you dont have to buy it from the baby roasters anymore.

>>18367256
Shave it off if your hair loss is that embarrassing. Lots of bald guys look good if they skip the bald and bearded meme.

The stupidest thing you can do when you discover hair loss is buy Jewish tranny meds that will turn you into a constipated, impotent and depressed beta tranny cuck.

>>18367267
>>18367251
>>18367237
you are so fucking based and sigma. have you thought about getting a tripcode so nobody else can pretend to be you?

New research shows that the longer an individual is on tranny meds, the meaner and more immoral they become. This is because tranny meds like finasteride impair a person's cognitive abilities and causes degeneration in the mind.

Top researchers believe that Jews and Indians are not just manufacturing tranny meds for financial gain but also because they see the declining cognitive abilities of white men as a positive development.

>>18353574
>>18353916
He was only 30-35 in Moonlighting.

>>18359921
You sound like a bitch and make me think the anon you are responding to is correct.

>>18367302
damn people aged fast back then

another day another vellus hair update. 4th month on fin+min starting.
i thought i was gonna need a transplant to get anywhere near decent hair but if this turns into proper hair im honestly satisfied with it.

>>18367327
you still have velus hair on your temples, you should try oral min to fill in the rest

>>18367332
is there any reason to get on oral min if im already using the topical everywhere? i use it on my scalp and temples and hairline.

>>18367339
is it working on your temples though?
I hear it's the least likely part of the scalp to respond to topical but oral will make hair sprout there even if topical fails.

>>18367343
You mean this area? I had given up on getting any regrowth there. Actually I never even held any hope for it in the first place since everyone says its impossible.
I have thought about oral min but the problem is that they dont sell it where I live (northern europe). I guess I could try taking the topical orally but it sounds a bit crazy.

>>18367322
You sound like a samefag

>>18367352
Yes, this area here.
I found out a few oral antidepressants come as liquid formulations to customize dosage and the ingredients list is the same for topical Minoxidil so it should be fine, I would gradually ease in from 1mg upwards to make sure there's no sides.

>>18367381
fuck it i'll give it a go.

>>18367385
Good luck, bro. Just make sure you don’t stop applying topical cold turkey. I switched overnight form topical foam to dropping liquid orally and had some rough shedding at the beginning, I think I lost some progress because of it. It could be just me but better safe than sorry.

>>18367322
Just look how triggered the trannies in this thread get when you call their Jewish tranny meds for what it is.

>>18367412
yeah I'll just take both for now, maybe taper off the topical if the oral route starts doing something the topical didn't.

>>18367452
all that spiro you're taking is legitimately melting your brain

>>18367223
I got all the side effects listed pretty much this is bullshit including the constipation one

>>18367511
i dont think i have ever read anyone complain about constipation caused by fin, until i read this thread.

>>18367519
Just assume every outlandish claim is made by the same anti-fin guy until proven otherwise. Hes been doing it forever

>>18367519
It's a mild side effect for me, but every side effect i got to a certain extent to be honest, it wasn't worth it, yes it works for hair but i wouldn't have taken it if i knew better, now i have to be on it or i'll start losing hair like crazy i might need to switch to topical or some other shit eventually.

What's even more funny is i didn't get any sexual side effects

>>18367523
I'm not him

>>18367530
It obviously is. The moral of every post you make is to not take fin. The problem is the side effects you claim to get have zero basis in reality

can those really small hairs close to the skin mean regrowth? I’ve been consistently used rosemary oil/peppermint oil mixture since the beginning of november and been microneedeling once per week since then. currently I’m NW2.5 to 3, with a lot of receding on the temples

>>18367538
might as well just sprinkle water on your scalp

>>18367538
Looks like miniaturization

>>18367534
I experienced them you dumb ass nigga and i said i take it

>>18367538
if you're not on fin thats literally miniturization

>>18367540
idk if it’s seasonal or something but at the same time I’ve quit creatine for good and started using ketokonazole shampoos and now I see like less than 10 hairs when I shower compared to what I lost when I use doing basically nothing

>>18367564
without 5ar blocking meds, your scalp is just a bucket with a hole that you are trying to fill with water.

>>18367567
does saw palmetto count as 5ar blocker? I was considering that

>>18367569
does a bb gun count as a high caliber rifle?

>>18367569
Yeah it works you just need high quality ones and dose it mulitple times per day

>>18367581
personal experience? any sides?

is it ok to cut this jeet pill in half to consume 0.5 mg everyday?

>>18367596
Bro it's going to have the same sides as finasteride if it ends up working just well, I was like you and obsessively searched every hair loss forum I could find for info on fin sides to work up the courage to take my first pill, stop being such a fag.

>>18367600
you can cut it in 4 if you want

>>18367600
pic

>>18367596
It kills libido better than fin in my case it might not be the same for you, because people usually report higher libido, my chemistry might be a little fucked so, i think a little insomnia as well but that's about it no disastrous sides.

>>18367613
How much were you taking?

>>18367561
Nigga all of your posts involve taking fin. Forgetting shrunken heads, inability to sweat and overall loss of sexual function? Now we have arrived at constipation, just as ridiculous as ever.

hey Baldies.
BALDY BALDY BALDY BALDY BALDY BALDY BALDY
NO HAIR NO HAIR NO HAIR. YOU HAVE NO HAIR. BAAAAALDY.
BOWLING BALLS HEADS. GOLF BALLS. BASKETBALL.
YOU'RE ALL BALD! BALD! BALD!!! AND YOU HAVE NO HAAAAAAAAAIR!!!!!!!!!!

>>18367893
How very upsetting.

>>18367614
Up to 4000 mg which gave me a little bit of nausea, if you don't exceed 1000 mg you won't get any of that which is my usual dosage
>>18367620
None of those were my posts

when you guys become complete bowling ball heads, I expect you to add to my basedjack folder.You're contractually obliged to do onions faces, this was the agreement for being a shiny baldy fuck

I'm like a few weeks into fin and a week or so into min

I've noticed that there's half as many hairs falling off while I shower, so I must be at the end of the shedding phase for min

>>18367893
We are not bald, we have strong norwood 4s thanks to fin and min. Balding is voluntary

>>18368026
was it worth it.

to look like THIS

>>18368191
stop posting effeminate men with facial hair

>>18368240
effeminate men cant be balding only high t alpha males

>>18368539
go tell that to reddit's r/bald

>>18361724
>Gauges, sleeve, compensation beard, selfie in the truck
This guy is a fucking faggot.

>>18362416
It works for him because his neck to cranial width is so skewed.

>>18362636
>TikTok users
>Chads

Pick one.

>>18364360
Show some respect, anon.
>Look like that
>Smell terrible
but
>13 inch dick
>Smashing rich bitches

Is heroin good for male pattern baldness?

>>18368769
Druggies have good hair for some reason

>>18368825
genes that give you good hair also predispose you to become a hobo, druggie or a rock star

>>18364968
I want to look like I'm younger than 30, do you have a single hairline positivity image for that?

>>18365605
Same. I was shaving my head for a while and taking fin the whole time and now, letting my hair grow back, it appears to be thinner than ever.
I'm desperately coping that maybe a lot of it is still growing in more slowly and it will look denser as it gets longer but I might just need to accept never having hair again.

>>18368953
Finasteride is not guaranteed to stop hair loss and for some people it only slows it down. Provided you were taking the correct dose of 1mg/day then your loss may be too aggressive and you should look into dutasteride or try adding minoxidil with your fin

Pill me on pills.
We have this in Australia but being a pill type solution, it obviously claims pills > everything else.
Whatever, is it effective anyway?
https://www.thehairypill.com.au/mens-hair-loss

>>18367604
sure, unless it is a gel capsule

>>18369093
Snake oil.

Well, guys, I think this is it for me. I moved to Europe and there is no way I can find finasteride online. Alldaychemist and every single website I used to use don't ship where I'm now. A little bit sad because the minoxidil + finasteride combination was working for me and I'll guess I'll lose all progress.

>>18369377
Just use your socialized healthcare to get legit fin and buy rogaine OTC and drink that, stop being stupid.

>>18369372
That looks more or less reasonable, but charging $75 a month forever for minox + fin + woo-woo seems weirdly expensive.

>>18369372
oh so someone said that on a random forum but there is absolutely zero mention of the ingredients on the official website or patents... like I said, snake oil.

>>18367601
>>18367596
It won't have the same sides as fin btw, i tried both, fin has worse sides because it's stronger.

>>18369377
have you looked at reliablerxpharmacy? they're a sister company of alldaychemist and ship to a lot of places. i ordered spiro from there cuz doctor didnt wanna prescribe it