Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)19:55:53 | 13 comments
I was trying to learn about released wolf population on Selway-Bitterroot and all I find is people talking about wolf hunting in Idaho, do you guys have any resources that's not some American trying to merc a wolf? Specially videos
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)20:02:26 No.4936950
>>4936947
First, kill off ranchers herds so lazy poor hobby farmers can finally get real jobs and stop roadblocking conservation because they think their small time beef operation doesnt need a fence
First, kill off ranchers herds so lazy poor hobby farmers can finally get real jobs and stop roadblocking conservation because they think their small time beef operation doesnt need a fence
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)22:06:52 No.4936977
>>4936950
I still don't get the need to kill 90% of the wolf population in the state when cattle loss numbers by wolves are so low (compared to every other reason, specially the fires)
I still don't get the need to kill 90% of the wolf population in the state when cattle loss numbers by wolves are so low (compared to every other reason, specially the fires)
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)22:15:10 No.4936978
>>4936977
Because culture war. Stop thinking of ranchers as white people. Think of them as an indian tribe trying to preserve a stone age tradition. Then they make sense. Simple questions like why graze cattle in the woods instead of feeding them in a pen are suddenly answered.
Yes, wolves do not affect the cattle industry. But they do affect traditionalists and wipe out their entire herd. It’s a culture war between narcissistic cowboy larpers and sane, intelligent, hard working americans.
Because culture war. Stop thinking of ranchers as white people. Think of them as an indian tribe trying to preserve a stone age tradition. Then they make sense. Simple questions like why graze cattle in the woods instead of feeding them in a pen are suddenly answered.
Yes, wolves do not affect the cattle industry. But they do affect traditionalists and wipe out their entire herd. It’s a culture war between narcissistic cowboy larpers and sane, intelligent, hard working americans.
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)22:16:42 No.4936979
>>4936977
Politics is like 80% spite. The people in the Rural West hate wolves because the decision wasn't made there. It's got nothing to do with ecology or economics or any of that shit. It's an idea from the outside that was shoved down their throats and they'll hate that idea forever even if they don't have any real reason to, because they hate having that sort of choice being made for them by outsiders. They don't give a shit that the land is largely federal land, they had expected that land to be handed over to the state for eventual settling like it was in all the states east of Colorado and resent that the rules of the game changed in 1948. If local politicians had decided to do something with wolves and the feds hated the wolves because the states had done something on federal land without federal input, the wolves would be beloved. But since the wolves were done to them, they hate them and they always will.
Politics is like 80% spite. The people in the Rural West hate wolves because the decision wasn't made there. It's got nothing to do with ecology or economics or any of that shit. It's an idea from the outside that was shoved down their throats and they'll hate that idea forever even if they don't have any real reason to, because they hate having that sort of choice being made for them by outsiders. They don't give a shit that the land is largely federal land, they had expected that land to be handed over to the state for eventual settling like it was in all the states east of Colorado and resent that the rules of the game changed in 1948. If local politicians had decided to do something with wolves and the feds hated the wolves because the states had done something on federal land without federal input, the wolves would be beloved. But since the wolves were done to them, they hate them and they always will.
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)22:17:50 No.4936981
>>4936978
>But they do affect traditionalists and wipe out their entire herd.
This has literally never happened. You're just as retarded as they are, Mr. CAFO enthusiast.
>But they do affect traditionalists and wipe out their entire herd.
This has literally never happened. You're just as retarded as they are, Mr. CAFO enthusiast.
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)22:19:37 No.4936983
>>4936981
Yes, it has. The entire herd of the average bitchy rancher is a dozen cattle. One dozen.
Also, CAFOs arent used to raise beef, but they can be farmed in pens like any other animal. You just have to buy feed and take care of shit. Cheaper for a real business, not for a hobby farmer.
Yes, it has. The entire herd of the average bitchy rancher is a dozen cattle. One dozen.
Also, CAFOs arent used to raise beef, but they can be farmed in pens like any other animal. You just have to buy feed and take care of shit. Cheaper for a real business, not for a hobby farmer.
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)22:35:11 No.4936990
Anonymous 01/20/25(Mon)23:25:13 No.4937001
>>4936983
>Yes, it has. The entire herd of the average bitchy rancher is a dozen cattle. One dozen
Wolves have never wiped out even a dozen animals from the same farmer in one event.
>Yes, it has. The entire herd of the average bitchy rancher is a dozen cattle. One dozen
Wolves have never wiped out even a dozen animals from the same farmer in one event.
Anonymous 01/21/25(Tue)00:27:21 No.4937035
>>4937001
Well, maybe chickens.
Well, maybe chickens.
Anonymous 01/21/25(Tue)01:00:15 No.4937065
>>4937001
I can find lots of half dozens at a time but only dozens over time, and its ALWAYS either cows left alone in a fucking national forest, often not actually killed by wolves
https://www.humanesociety.org/news/wolf-expert-exonerates-wolves-death-dozens-cattle-colorado
Or a one-family "ranch" that lost 6 cows out of... 6 cows.
Wolves are not threatening US agriculture. These are probably the same people who don't pen in their chickens, in an unfenced yard, and never shut the coop at night and abuse old farmers rights laws to kill everything that comes near. Think that deranged anon that uses feral cat enclaves as target practice.
I can find lots of half dozens at a time but only dozens over time, and its ALWAYS either cows left alone in a fucking national forest, often not actually killed by wolves
https://www.humanesociety.org/news/
Or a one-family "ranch" that lost 6 cows out of... 6 cows.
Wolves are not threatening US agriculture. These are probably the same people who don't pen in their chickens, in an unfenced yard, and never shut the coop at night and abuse old farmers rights laws to kill everything that comes near. Think that deranged anon that uses feral cat enclaves as target practice.
Anonymous 01/21/25(Tue)19:43:02 No.4937485
Anonymous 01/21/25(Tue)19:48:13 No.4937486
>>4937065
It's wild to me that people have herds this small. The economics of beefstock are not at all self sustaining if your heard in under 60 head, and even with 60 head, you'll really struggle to create the kind of buffer you need to avoid taking city work if you have to sell stock prematurely because you can't secure enough fodder due to a drought year or market fuckery.
I agree that people with 6 tagged cows meandering around public land are not serious and should be ignored.
It's wild to me that people have herds this small. The economics of beefstock are not at all self sustaining if your heard in under 60 head, and even with 60 head, you'll really struggle to create the kind of buffer you need to avoid taking city work if you have to sell stock prematurely because you can't secure enough fodder due to a drought year or market fuckery.
I agree that people with 6 tagged cows meandering around public land are not serious and should be ignored.
Anonymous 01/21/25(Tue)23:28:13 No.4937573
>>4936947
>The popular but incorrect narrative posits that the wolves caused the elk population to drop, which allowed willows to grow again and the ecosystem to revert to its prior condition. But that’s not what the researchers found.
>The popular idea that the return of wolves singlehandedly reduced elk herds and restored Yellowstone’s natural systems was “wishful thinking” backed by little comprehensive science, Hobbs and Cooper said.
>That narrative also ignored other factors at play. Human hunting, not wolves, was the primary cause of declining elk populations in the first 10 years after reintroduction, they said. Also, mountain lions hunt elk more effectively than wolves, and their population boomed simultaneously.
>“Claims of ecosystem restoration, resulting from a trophic cascade following the restoration of the gray wolf to Yellowstone, have been used to justify translocation of wolves to their unoccupied former range in many areas of the world,” the study states. “Careful scrutiny has revealed these claims to be exaggerated or false.”
https://www.denverpost.com/2024/02/08/wolves-impact-habitat-study-yellowstone-national-park-colorado-reintroduction/
>The popular but incorrect narrative posits that the wolves caused the elk population to drop, which allowed willows to grow again and the ecosystem to revert to its prior condition. But that’s not what the researchers found.
>The popular idea that the return of wolves singlehandedly reduced elk herds and restored Yellowstone’s natural systems was “wishful thinking” backed by little comprehensive science, Hobbs and Cooper said.
>That narrative also ignored other factors at play. Human hunting, not wolves, was the primary cause of declining elk populations in the first 10 years after reintroduction, they said. Also, mountain lions hunt elk more effectively than wolves, and their population boomed simultaneously.
>“Claims of ecosystem restoration, resulting from a trophic cascade following the restoration of the gray wolf to Yellowstone, have been used to justify translocation of wolves to their unoccupied former range in many areas of the world,” the study states. “Careful scrutiny has revealed these claims to be exaggerated or false.”
https://www.denverpost.com/2024/02/