Big cats are as lazy as domestic cats.

>>4912902
>>4912884
This probably also partially explains why cats are less intelligent than dogs

>>4912911
Cats are less intelligent because a solitary predator cant afford to expend calories on excess thought. In fact, excess thought could disrupt what their brain needs to have: the finely tuned and extremely reliable instincts of a guided weapon system.

Dogs are smart but clumsy and with thinking comes being wrong and having to learn. They only get away with it because they can lean on each other. A cat can never be wrong. It must automatically live its life correctly from birth with very little help. Humans and dogs/wolves need constant help.

>>4912911
No one asked, dog buttsniffer

>>4912921
Nah birdgang here
>birdchads take a dump on cats
>cats attack the dogs
Lol just like my funny crow webems

>>4912916
Then how come dog species like coyotes, dingoes, and wolves prey on cats all the time?

>>4912911
How does sleeping a lot make them less intelligent? A well rested brain is a healthy one.

>>4912916
I would have agreed with this in the past but I have recently revised my opinions on cats. Feral and semi-feral cats seem to display much more intelligent behavior on average in my experience, perhaps because they exercise their social and problem-solving skills more. Also read some studies on cat colonies in Japan that were pretty fascinating and enlightening on how they interact with each other, their colonies are matriarchal and their politics revolve around food, mating rights, and territory/safety. My cat (adopted from a colony off the street that he still hangs with) is incredible at maintaining a timed routine, manages his own eating (does not overeat despite abundance of food), kills pests like a trained assassin (and will work with me to do so), reponds to the name I gave him, cooperates when he needs medical treatment, and can read my body language when I want or need him to be quiet... Pic related, this mfer waiting to find out what we're gonna do today.

>>4912930
It's not sleeping per se, but the exorbitant amount of time sleeping. A lethargic lifestyle reflects a lethargic mind.

>>4912931
And yet cats still have fewer neurons in their cerebral cortex than any dog species does.

>>4912936
Behold, a creature exponentially more intelligent than you (by neuron count).

>>4912936
Chihuahua lover is having a melty

>>4912937
Kek this

>>4912937
>>4912943
This isn't true at all.

>Elephant cerebral cortex: The elephant's cerebral cortex has about 5.6 billion neurons, despite being twice the mass of the human cerebral cortex.

>Human cerebral cortex: The human cerebral cortex has about 16.3 billion neurons

Why are catfags so stupid?

>>4912950
Humans have about 86 billion neurons. Elephants have somewhere around 250 billion.

Your numbers are grotesquely low.

>>4912969
Dogsisters I don't feel so good...

>>4912911
Have you extracted the spice melange from your dog's anal glands yet?

>>4912969
>>4912988
Humans have 16 billion neurons *located in the cerebral cortex*

Again, why are catfags so retarded?

>>4912937
>>4912943
>>4912969
>>4912988
Ofc Catfags are retarded like their animals lol. Anon only ever referred to cerebral cortex neuron count which determines intelligence not total brain count.

>>4913002
So a greater kudu and owls mock most breed of dogs?

>>4913003
And by cortical neuron count this thing mogs lions?

>>4912969
>Responding to a post about CORTICAL neurons
>pulls an unrelated figure out of thin air
Cats are definitively less intelligent than dogs, and apparently so are the ESL/illiterate catfags. Why do you feel the need to embarrass yourself with this cope? Their thinking hardware simply isn't there and neither is yours.

>>4912931
A cat is not as smart as most dogs, much closer to a dumb and small dog (ie: italian greyhound), and everything you've described is stuff we can observe in rats and most mammals in general. You have no idea how smart "stupid" actually is. It seems you think people are saying cats are subsentient non-beings. They are not. That's just banter. The smarter dogs you've heard so much about are doing things cats can't even dream of and encroaching on parrot territory at times. The cats are merely... about average for a mammal their size, really. Sometimes there is even a dog that is as stupid as a cat. We call them sighthounds.

Most mammals, even the absurdly stupid ones, are absurdly intelligent compared to other animals.

>>4913005
Yes. And? Why does a social animal in a hostile environment with a low reproductive rate evolving a decent brain surprise you? Is it because it looks stupid? Horses are not merely as smart as dogs and wolves, they are much smarter. Monkeys are smarter than jaguars - and most predators in general. Wow! Nature!

>>4913003
>Kudu
Yes it's higher than the dog average but not to a insane degree.
>owls
No since a bunch of owls are lower than the dog average.
>>4913005
Yeah but they're pretty close. It's not a absolutely brutal rival mogging like how dogs have more than double the cortical neurons of cats.

>>4912884
this thread is bait
i want to masturbait that cat

>>4913075
More proof that catfags are sick perverted freaks

>>4913089
what
are you saying you wouldn't

>>4913055
Having had both dogs and cats dogs are clearly much more intelligent than cats, and there is a big difference in induvidual cats too.

But I never considered the antelopes to be intelligent animals, maybe they went under the radar somehow.

>>4913014
>Tranimefag wall of text
Didn't read lmao

>>4912916
Lions are not solitary yet are also dumb. Your argument is invalid

>>4913174
Lions are not dumb by observable complex behavior

>>4913194
Lions are definitely dumb

>>4913158
>newfag redditor cant read
anime website go back

>>4913194
ants confirmed geniuses

Who the fuck cares about neuron count, cats are an ecological disaster

>>4913248
Lions prank each other, ants follow a simple program

>>4913003
>catfags be like
>WELL IF THATS TRUE BIRDS ARE SMART AND THAT CANT BE
Are you just now realizing birds are smart? Most birds are smarter than cats

If you wanted a free living supreme gentleman pet you should have been a birdfag. Chickens are dumb af and they’re actually only just as smart as cats. Pigeons are like mid tier dogs.

>>4913300
Yeah, so are red foxes, they are wiping out small mammals in Australia. Why are you not shitting about red foxes in every thread?

>>4913317
A cockatiel and a cat is of similar intelligence. Owls and eagles are known to be rather dumb by falconers.

>>4913158
BASED BASED BASED BASED

>>4912924
yeah that's exactly how it happens it's not like the cat would devour your bridbrained bird

>>4912884
>hears bag crinkling
>instantly wakes up
I don't think cats ever deep sleep

>>4913319
Owls are a special case. They have a fat cortex, but its almost entirely dedicated to sensory processing. Like a dolphin and its sonar pushing out into a whole new structure (paralimbic system) and yet manifesting chimp like intelligence out of a better brain.

Cats and dogs are more comparable. If anything, the cat may be even dumber because it needs to use its cortex for processing its superior senses, while dogs are clumsy and put all their brains into social reasoning and problem solving. They have a great sense of smell but unlike vision and hearing, smell doesnt use a lot of processing power. It’s the simplest sense.

>>4913319
Why are falcons smarter than owls and eagles?

>>4913319
>A cockatiel and a cat is of similar intelligence.
Pretty sure cockatiels are smarter
>Owls and eagles are known to be rather dumb by falconers.
Mosly owls.
>>4914232
Speed requires more smarts than stealth.

>>4914271
>Speed requires more smarts than stealth.

No it doesn't. Stealth requires restraining the instincts and some degree of planning.

So Shere Khan just sleeps around all day?

>>4914271
Having kept both tiels and cats I found them pretty similar. It's just anecdotal ofc. Both are WAY smarter than pigeons.

kitteh slep zzzzzzzzzz

>>4914625
Cats are dumb af however

>>4914863
Cats are objectively less intelligent than pigeons. They have sharper instincts, but lower intelligence

A chimp has sharper instincts than you. It’s also dumber.

>>4914891
I have kept pigeons, they feel closer to reptiles in behavior and are far dumber than a guinea pig.

>>4915024
The anon you're responding to has an irrational hatred for cats.

he's not interested in whether or not cats are actually dumber than pigeons. He simply can't stand anyone saying anything positive about cats. Apparently his mother was raped and murdered by cats or something.

>>4915025
NTA but cats are definitely dumber than pigeons.

>>4915066
>NTA
I totally believe you
Schizophrenic trolls are known for being honest and trustworthy.

>>4915024
I would say pigeons are about the intelligence of a cat.
But fuck cats. They are annoying!
They piss and shit in my yard and I have to use a hazmat suit to clean it off. They whine at 3AM for no reason. Essentially just as bad as most dogs.

But its hard to compare intelligence of a visual species (like pigeons) and sound-smell species (like cats). Especially by neuroncount. What if smell requires more neurons to process than visual information?

>>4912902
Yes. All Cats run the same software (and hardware). That is fundamentally the coolest part about cats. That we get to have mini tigers in our home.

>>4915089
Both cockatiels and cats are inquisitive playful and can come up with own games to play and learn rules to games. Cats can communicate their wants from help reaching a space to asking to turn the heat on. Tiels innovate songs.

The pigeons I nursed back to health (fledgelings) attacked my hand as I fed them and tried to mate with shoes. They are just dissapointingly dumb, barely smarter than a lizard. At least the guinea pigs had some smarts like knowing what kind of food they are getting from the sounds around the house.

>>4915165
you're not going to convince the pathetic cretin that cats are smarter than bricks or nicer than used tampons

he literally had his parents killed by cats

he hates cats and he hates you for giving cats the benefit of the doubt. If we ever find him in real life we'll feed him to the cats, but since he's our board janny we can't do shit to him here.

>>4915165
>pigeon dumb
I wonder. Is there a disease of sort, or some retard gene in pigeons?
Why? Because I live in a small town suburb thing. Pigeons here are very aware of the surroundings and skittish. As a bird should be.
But if you go to urban center, pigeons don't understand that going into crowd of people is equivalent to a meatgrinder.
Vastly different behavior.
>>4915172
I like how schizophrenics like showing that somebody else is a schizophrenic too.

>>4915143
Not even close. lions and cheetahs are much smarter and more social than housecats.

>>4915245
Neither lions nor cheetahs are particularly smart

>>4915242
>I like how schizophrenics like showing that somebody else is a schizophrenic too.
I'm a drunk, not a schizophrenic.

the difference is I can sober up sometimes,
the schizo is stuck where he's at.

also I know when I'm out of my mind,
the cat hater guy has no clue he's insane.

>>4915803
They are typical and about as smart as bears and the dumber wild canids (foxes etc)
Definitely smarter than housecats. You can see the differences ie: increased dog like behavior and more loyalty with all the rich retards that keep big cats as pets. Cheetahs even naturally bond with dogs and see them as the leader.
Definitely not as smart as wolves, which is surprising because their crocutan competitors are way smarter than wolves.

>>4915808
I'd ask for citations for any or all of this but I understand it's made up on the spot.

>>4915805
Wow you’re a real life schizo

When did you realize the doctors would only conspire to make you a conforming slave you and you’re not crazy, just aware of patterns the sheeple aren’t and fully aware of why they matter?

>>4915810
hey schizo.

what are you talking about now?

I'm surprised to meet you in a cat thread talking shit about cats
again
for the nine billionth time.

>>4915025
Catfag coping that disliking cats is "irrational"

>>4916622
there is disliking an animal and there is a schizo obsession of shitting on it in every cat and dog thread on the board

this person needs to fuck off back to pol or reddit, wherever he crawled out of

>>4915245
this just in: EVERYTHING is more intelligent than housecats.
you are mentally ill, did you know that?

>>4913014
>>posted a catgirl
Opinion discarded

>>4917960
Anime is based on cats

>>4912884
Can we get back to talking about how lazy tigers are? lol

>>4915143
it's also why you shouldn't own any larger than a handbag
>mr. fluffass the shorthair has a bear trap moment
>leaves some shallow scratches
>tony the tiger has a bear trap moment
>the CSIs have to shovel you into a garbage bag

>>4917964
Oh look it's the Jap cope again for Anime being clear as day White-Envy.

>>4912943
Chihuahuas are also more intelligent than cats

>>4912969
moron

>>4912994
>No response from the dog buttsniffer
He definitely did alright

>all this seethe because cats are dumb
You niggas dont like cats you like using them as a substitute personality

You dont see rabbit people seething because their pets are dumb

>>4912884
>Have special muscular structure that allows for obscene incredible power
>Feel like shit all the time and want to nap
Not a bad trade off. I already feel like shit all the time and want to nap.

>>4921206
both the context (cat hate trolling) and the falsehoods

they are nowhere near as dumb as the troll claims

>>4921229
They are definitely dumber than dogs. That’s the point of owning a cat. If cats were smart they would just be dogs.

>>4921242
No shit, dogs are one of the smartest animals on the planet. Almost every animal is dumber than a dog.

>>4921266
Crows and horses are smarter than dogs

>>4921272
>Horses
Doubt.
Those things are just as retarded and flighty as any other deer-like herd animal.

>>4921272
nta but most horses are definitely not smarter than a border collie

>>4921458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yipAlAHqBcA
Flighty =/= retarded

>>4917964
finally i am vindicated
i have always said tranime and furfaggotry are the same

>>4921459
Dogs mog housecats hard in intelligence. Horses mog dogs even harder.

A horse is not just smarter than a border collie. Once they get over their fear they can TRAIN the border collie.

>>4912902
>>4912884
Facts:

Only 20% of lion cubs will make it to adulthood.

Only 1 of 7 lion hunts ends with a kill.

>>4913003
yes, birds are intelligent. so are many ungulates. cetaceans are pretty much aquatic ungulates.

>>4919361
What's a bear trap moment?

>>4912935
A dog spends all his calories on useless activities. A cat does not.

When food sources run out, who will be the more intelligent animal? The cat will easily survive.

>>4923648
Cat species are going extinct, dogs naturalize and replace other predators

It turns out wasting energy is a sign of having energy to waste

>>4923650
You truly have the intelligence of a dumb dog - certainly not Border Collie level. You can't reproduce if you don't survive in the first place.

>>4923606
when you go to give a belly rub and all four paws with claws clamp down simultaneously

>>4923654
Wasting energy is a sign of having too much energy due to overall success sorry retard

There’s a reason the whole world laughs at male lions for being retarded

>>4923648
>Lion endangered
>Tiger endangered
>Cheetah endangered
>Jaguar endangered

>Coyote, wolf, and dingo populations all thriving

Dogs are the superior build.

>>4913014
>and everything you've described is stuff we can observe in rats and most mammals in general

I've had pet rats and they're easier to teach tricks than cats.

>>4924262
>Lion and tiger in locations with beings incapable of caring for their wellbeing
>Wolves being actively protected and reintroduced by empathetic people
>Coyote is just a big fox that acts like a shitty street dog
I want to preserve all animals from extinction, but lets not pretend wolves and big cats are in the same civilizational situation.

>>4913317
>Are you just now realizing birds are smart?
this nigga thinks all birds are corvids and parrots lmao

>>4924542
Some birds are smart, but chickens have the intelligence of a video game npc. They get stuck in corners and have weird pre scripted actions they do.

>>4924542
Almost all bird species are more intelligent than cats

>>4912884
>>4912902
Funny how we make all these comparisons to them like
>BE A LION
>WORK NON STOP TO CATCH PREY
>DOMINIATE THE OFFICE
>LIKE A TIGER
>TIGER ENERGY

In real life these creatures chill 90% of the time and only hunt when they're hungry and then just relax or maybe fuck if they're horny.

>>4925360
Cope, every bird species but a few are magnitudes dumber than a cat. Or even a weasel.
Birds of prey are particulary dumb, a starling or a blackbird is smarter than those.

Hornbills, corvids and parrots (cockatiel and up) are the only intelligent birds.

>>4912884
Tigers are cannibalistic savages

>>4925847
Raptors are also more intelligent than cats

>>4929092
they are the dumbest category of birds, basicly lizards in intelligence

even a pigeon or seagull mog raptors

>>4929153
also notable exception is the karakara which is an uniquely smart raptor

>>4929153
>>4929155
False. The dumbest birds are chickens and turkeys.

Raptors are easily more intelligent than cats.

>>4929153
Pigeons and seagulls make cats look like the downies they are

>>4929547
They are not even close, cope.

>>4929547
Observe the high intelligence of a bird of prey as it watches one of it's chick kill the other
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qU-eQ1EN0

pure instinct driven reptile brain incapable of higher emotions or affection

>>4912911
Any dog over 60kg requires about 16 hours of sleep

>>4930960
Now let's look at cats

>Infanticide in lions is common, and here we will briefly look into the theories as to why lions, both males and females, commit such an act.

>In fact, it is estimated that a quarter of cubs dying in the first year of life are victims of infanticide (Packer & Pusey, 1984).

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/lions-eat-their-cub-but-for-a-good-reason/

>Rolf Baerens, owner of the safari company Big Cats Namibia, shared video and photos on social media showing a pride of lions feasting on a lion cub. At first, it's jarring to see the animals eat their own, but in the description, Baerens explains what happened and what the animals are most likely thinking.

>“We were on a game drive on Chiefs Island out of Mombo Camp in the Okavango Delta when we heard lions fighting in the thickets. Upon investigation we came across four young male lions that had caught a young female lion from a nearby pride. The lioness was part of a small group of lions that had a kill too far into the other territory. They were surprised by the four males, the one lioness was caught whilst the rest fled. While the four had successfully subdued the female in what had been a vicious fight they began feeding on her while she was still alive. As the lioness took her last breaths, the four males were feeding on her as if it was a normal prey animal.

>In the words of a professional, the images of those Delta lions feasting from the belly of their fallen relative don’t seem so upsetting and unnatural

>Jason’s experience in the Sabi Sand and keen interest for Big Cats also refers us experiences with the Mapogos. He says, “I have, on a number of occasions, witnessed lions feeding on another lion. If a lion is caught outside of its territory and killed it is often eaten by the attacking pride/lion. In the Sabi Sand, the well-known Mapogo coalition of 6 males killed and ate many lionesses, often even ‘raping’ them in the process as a show of dominance.”

>>4930960
>>4931202
Does this sound like an animal capable of "higher emotions and affection"?

>Khursapar’s dominating tigress, nicknamed Baras was seen holding her cub’s tail in the mouth on Thursday eve ..

>“It seems to be a case of cannibalism. Researchers have found that a mother killing her young one is common among tigers as it is part of ‘normal’ maternal behaviours. This natural maternal behaviour mainly occurs if the mother desires to adjust her litter size by killing some of her cubs to suit her ability to raise offspring,” said Shukla.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/tigress-eats-her-cub-in-penchs-khursapar/articleshow/96464220.cms#:~:text=Generally%2C%20a%20tigress%20uses%20her,for%20monitoring%2C%E2%80%9D%20said%20Shukla.

>>4912911
>>4912902
>>4912884
Cats in general tend to be way more instinctive/reflexive in their behavior than canines.
For example -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_righting_reflex
>While cats provide the most famous example of this reflex, they are not the only animal known to have a mid-air righting capability. Similar phenomenons have been observed in other small vertebrates such as rabbits,[3] rats,[4] lizards, and certain invertebrate tailed anthropods (e.g. stick insects)

"social" cats like lions display way more in-group fighting than African wild dogs or European/North American wolves. As if they have only recently evolved crude social skills.

These factors alone explain the significantly lower cerebellar neuron count of cats.

>>4929153
>even a pigeon or seagull mog raptors
Mate, the only animals in the animal kingdom known to have better visual acuity than humans are some birds of prey.
The information processing required for that is immense.

>>4931202
>https://www.wideopenspaces.com/lions-eat-their-cub-but-for-a-good-reason/
>>4931204
That shit is so fucked up. It's
one thing to abandoning your young. It's another thing all together to eat your fucking live offspring.

>>4931204
yes, even dogs do this to dysfunctional pups

>>4931211
Visual processing takes most of their brainpower leaving little to no space for intelligence and learned behavior. They are automatons.

>>4931349
You could make the same argument about the cetacean brain and echolocation

>>4931352
But cetaceans exhibit intelligent behavior on top of it.

Eagles however, so fuckign stupid even Konrad Lorenz was deeply dissapointed in their shitty reptile brain.
https://www.wlbt.com/2024/04/11/bald-eagle-chick-killed-by-father-within-hours-hatching/

>>4931343
And humans do it to unwanted fetuses. Big deal. Abortifacients are some of the oldest medicines and death by exposure is the second oldest way of getting rid of the deformed. The oldest period is, archaeologically, cannibalism.

Fertility cults actually have to scare people into behaving otherwise, preserving all conceptions period (bro people totally exist before they exist), and fucking their lives over to supply king solomon with more bricklayers and spearchuckers than he would get from more reasonable family sizes.

>>4931353
Offspring are not necessarily valuable and you could argue that they are biological waste until capable of at least locating alternative care. The chick was most likely off in a way we cant perceive and therefore not worth the investment. Just because animals dont follow your schizophrenic value system doesnt mean they are mindless. They may actually be behaving more intelligently than those religious freaks that coddle biological accidents that literally do not have brains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly

Perhaps tigers are smarter than fundamentalist christians

>>4931365
>The chick was most likely off in a way we cant perceive and therefore not worth the investmen

possible, but the mother still fed it, then the father just ended up fucking it up seemingly confused, and it was an only chick too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyidBes3WI0
storks routinely kill the backup chick

>>4931368
The mother was probably in a more protective mood and the father was torn between his birdwifes feelings and the retarded food guzzler in his nest.

>>4931365
You are the stupidest motherfucker to post on 4chan in a very long time lol.
Translating your gibberish into English we get -

>"Omg I'm an autistic homosexual psychopath that hates people and children. Anyone that doesn't want to kill children is obviously a Christ-tard.

How do you not realize how stupid you are?

>>4931371
>The mother was probably in a more protective mood and the father was torn between his birdwifes feelings and the retarded food guzzler in his nest.
WTF even is this?
This is why I aggressively advocate for the execution of all autistics because they are always obsessed with raping or killing children or babies. They really are psychopaths. That's it. They are just psychopaths.

>>4931371
They are not capable of complex toughts or emotions like that. If a chick is killed by other chicks, they just rip it apart and feed it to the rest of their chicks.

>>4931401
Fetuses are not children. They are not lives. They never have been. They never will be.

>>4931402
An eagle chick is not a child. Their species has different reproductive dynamics.

>>4931411
They are, they just don’t have a deep bond with the things that come out of egg clutches unlike a mammal which eventually births something alive, and even then the deformed lost causes get culled or left to die. Funerary rites are a massive waste of resources for them anyways.

>>4931427
>Fetuses are not children.
YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT FETUSES YOU DUMBFUCK.
>>4931371
>and the retarded food guzzler in his nest.
>>4931365
>Offspring are not necessarily valuable and you could argue that they are biological waste until capable of at least locating alternative care. The chick was most likely
YOU ALWAYS DO THIS.
>>4931427
>An eagle chick is not a child.
YOU WERE LITERALLY COMPARING BIRD OFFSPRING WITH HUMAN OFFSPRING YOU DUMBFUCK.
LIKE LEGIT, DO YOU HAVE DEMENTIA?

>>4931402
meanwhile your ancestors just 50 years ago
>puppy and kitten drownings every saturday
>veal goes in the smallest possible crates to maximize tenderness
>mmmm whole suckling pig
its definitely not psychopathy to not see animal offspring as something special
just like it isnt psychopathy to see fetuses as just another growth in the body before a birth is safe and viable (the idea that they are anything other than a growth is specifically religious and requires a belief in souls)

>>4931435
An eagle chick is not a child as we know children. From a developmental standpoint its a late stage fetus that just couldnt fit in the egg anymore and is still barely recognizable as an eagle. From the standpoint of its parents its the egg-thing, just offspring, until it begins to transition into a fledgling and is a viable child.

The closest comparison in humans is a week <13 fetus where its barely hominid shaped but is really nowhere near being a person and is not guaranteed to ever be one. But we don’t lay eggs.

>>4931436
>meanwhile your ancestors just 50 years ago
>>puppy and kitten drownings every saturday
>>veal goes in the smallest possible crates to maximize tenderness
>>mmmm whole suckling pig
TRANSLATE INTO ENGLISH AUTISTIC MORON. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
ARE YOU LEGIT MENTALLY RETARDED?
NO, I'M NOT FUCKING CHINESE.
>>4931436
>its definitely not psychopathy to not see animal offspring as something special
NO YOU FUCKING MORON. IT'S PSYCHOPATHY TO KILL YOUR OWN FUCKING CHILDREN. THAT'S WHY YOU ARE A N AUTISTIC PSYCOPATH.
>>4931436
>just like it isnt psychopathy to see fetuses as just another growth in the body before a birth is safe and viable (the idea that they are anything other than a growth is specifically religious and requires a belief in souls)
YOU ALWAYS TALK ABOUT KILLING BABIES AND TODDLERS AND WHEN CONFONTED ABOUT THAT YOU SUDDENLY ACT LIKE YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT EARLY ABORTIONS.
YOU'RE NOT CLEVER.
YOU'RE A STUPID AUTISTIC PSYCHOPATH.
AND CHRISTIANS DIDN'T INVENT BASIC CHILDCARE YOU IDIOT.
LEGIT, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

>>4931437
>n eagle chick is not a child as we know children
THEN WHY DO YOU COMPARE BIRD CHICKS TO HUMAN CHILDREN?
STFU ANON.
YOU ARE EVIL.
YOU ARE SO EVIL.

>>4931438
Non-psychopaths abandon babies all the time. We’re pretty advanced to just terminate pregnancies before the baby even exists, really. It’s extremely normal behavior.

And yeah christians did kind of invent it, all other regional religions permit abandonment and exposure for infants.

>>4931440
*jews did invent it
Minor error, but hey all christians and muslims are jews so close enough

On the other hand indirect infanticide was widespread in rome, greece, india, persia, and pagan europe. Clearly this isn’t a condition that indicates psychopathy as long as they feel hesitation, stress, remorse, and tragedy.

>>4931440
>>4931441
SERIAL KILLERS AREN'T PSYCHOPATHS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AROUND!!!
THAT'S THE LOGIC YOUR GOING TO GO WITH ANON?
WHEN WERE YOU FIRST DIAGNOSED WITH AUTISM?
WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING MORONIC AND EVIL?

>>4931442
You said eagles dont think or feel because they practice infanticide. However, their practices are actually MILDER than those of most ancient human civilizations where infanticide of arguably more developed children who are more certain to survive was normalized and encouraged. Compared to a human baby, which comes out pretty fucking well developed and clearly resembling an adult, an eagle chick is a weird fetus and their behavior is more comparable to abortion.

So, either most humans before jews invented current western morals were psychopaths worse than eagles and incapable of thinking or feeling
Or you are wrong about eagles.

It’s funny seeing normgroids seethe at real people

>>4931444
>You said eagles dont think or feel because they practice infanticide
No, that's a different anon.
You just weird out with how indifferent you are to infanticide.
A part of your brain is missing.
You're literally too autistic to understand anything.
No, Christians didn't invent western morals.
That's ironically a Christian argument you're making.
But you're too stupid to realize it.
You are literally to idiotic to understand anything ever.

>>4931446
Lol, autistic psychopath posts autistic chibi pic just after he advocated for killing kids. Zero social skills, no job, no understanding of basic human behavior. Basically, an alien from out of space.

>>4931447
Most people in history have been pretty indifferent to infanticide. The number of cultures that prohibited killing infants through exposure before judaism was pretty small.

With how undeveloped eagle chicks are it’s actually less bad and clearly, birds feel even less connected to their offspring than mammals because its just some shit that crawls out of an egg

>>4931449
No one advocated for infanticide. It’s just obviously pretty ordinary for our species before judaism-based culture so using it to diagnose an animal as mindless is fucking retarded.

Woops guess most romans and pagan europeans were mindless lizard people!

>>4931453
roman law actually demanded the exposure of deformed infants

besides jews only egyptians abhorred exposure, and even christian europeans threw infants out at such a rate they had to start a hospital for rescuing them from rivers. their pagan ancestors were worse and would light them on fire.

these are your ancestors. this is the species criticizing eagles and cats.

>>4931451
>Most people in history have been pretty indifferent to infanticide.
Wrong...
>The number of cultures that prohibited killing infants through exposure before judaism was pretty small.
The 21st century nanny-state didn't exist in 1000BC you idiot. You had rare cult that sacrificed babies and we have archeological evidence for that ( Carthaginians for example ) and that's it.
Everyone at the time denounced the Carthaginians for it. So no, ancient people weren't indifferent to it. You're pulling that straight out of your faggot autistic ass.
>>4931451
>With how undeveloped eagle chicks are
So what?
Dude, you're literally too stupid and psychopathic to even explain things to.
You're on another planet.

>>4931453
>No one advocated for infanticide
You literally are and you historically illiterate to an amazing degree...
>>4931456
>roman law actually demanded the exposure of deformed infants
Plutarch said that about the Spartans only you idiot and it's never been archeologically confirmed.
None of you know anything about anything.
Literally too autistic and mentally disabled to digest anything you read.

>>4931457
No, it’s not wrong. It’s history. Infanticide was absurdly common up to about the 700s.
>everyone at the time
Jews and christians did. Egyptians did
Most romans, greeks, and pre-islamic arabs were killing babies like mad.

If you’re going to deny a little history lesson i might as well wikipedia you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#History
This is your species. These are your ancestors. Your direct ancestors. Your flesh and blood and many of them carried your family name.
And you said eagles aren’t capable of thought for doing something similar despite chicks being less developed and egg laying animals naturally lacking strong emotional connections to offspring.

>>4931459
The history of infanticide is up for anyone to read and you’re pretty fucking wrong about it.

Oh and germanic and scandi tribes were the fucking worst. They could, for any reason, kill any baby that had not yet been fed.

>>4931461
>>4931460
You guys are too stupid to read.
You think I haven't read that wikipedia article?
It doesn't agree with what you're saying.
You're fishing for historical justifications for your own mentally ill psychopathic beliefs.
You're no different than the idiots who think everyone in Ancient Rome and Greece were gay.
You guys are simply to stupid to understand anything you ever read.
That's it.
You're mentally retarded.

>>4931466
Why are you denying that infanticide was a common practice throughout history? Almost every culture practiced infanticide at some point.

>>4931466
>the casual nature with which exposure was viewed
>widespread beliefs that it wasnt murder because it wasnt by hand
>legal mandates for exposing the deformed
>so many abandoned babies that egyptians were running up and down the nile trying to save them
>teutonic tribes just tossing babies out for any reason
>no they didnt kill babies!
Your ancestors were absolutely baby murderers and you said eagles, which necessarily lack a strong connection to offspring, are mindless for pecking unrecognizable alien fuzzballs to death lol. Maybe you support baby murder if you think how absurdly widespread exposure an abandonment were wasnt an issue and only child sacrifice counts. I don’t personally support doing anything to born infants or even later 3rd trimester fetuses (with how often they come out on their own and live and all) yknow but you…denying that exposure is infanticide and claiming only child sacrifice counts is pretty serious. Exposure is considered murder by most people in the west.

At least eagles are dumber than humans and have to fend for themselves without a society to help, so they have even more excuses on top of the fact that an egg-thing will never have the same bond as a live birthed animal.
Whats the excuse for medieval, supposedly civilized folk tossing so many perfectly healthy children into the river that the church had to start a foundling house? I guess humans didnt evolve brains until the past thousand years or so and they’re still absent in much of asia amirite? How can you say a bird lacks a mind when your flesh and blood ancestors did all that, and considered it, in the words of the people of the time, a venial offense which was noted with frigidity? Thats your people, white people.

>>4931468
>>4931470
So common that it only features in a small number of archeological sites?
You are a moron anon.
You're confusing "existed" with common.
You're not even thinking of the logistics involved.
Imagine You have six children.
3 die from disease.
Another two die in war.
Only one reaches adulthood and reproduces.
Societies that sacrificed a large number of children every year were at a massive disadvantage.
As I've already mentioned before, we have extensive archeological evidence of the Carthaginians sacrificing babies, children and teenagers.
The Carthaginians were completely wiped out by the Romans in war.

>>4931476
>Uhm, only child sacrifice was infanticide!
There is no possible way you can deny the historical occurrence of infanticide without denying that purposefully exposing a child is not infanticide or saying history is made up. The sheer prevalence and scale of infanticide by exposure in the ancient world through the middle ages and even modern india, africa, and china is extremely well documented as is the leniency with which it has been treated by local authorities. The infanticidal practices of "heckin trad aryan" scandinavian peoples are absolutely awful and christians allowed them to persist as legal for a century and then still treated it with lenience for centuries more. All of this is extremely well recorded history.

You are descended from baby murderers who were about ten thousand times worse than eagles. He is right. Eagles have every excuse. They have no society. They have no charity. They have no help. Eaglets come out of funky rocks, they are not bonded to their mother with blood and trauma. And they hatch not really even looking like eagles. If an eagle decides an eaglet isn't worth feeding and the others need to eat it to survive, it is far more justified in that decision than any human who has ever committed infanticide by exposure. Humans have all this society shit and should never have to kill their children. The humans with better access to resources should just ensure the children can be raised, yes? But no, they don't.

Humans are more evil than eagles by a significant margin.

>>4931503
*without denying that purposefully exposing a child is infanticide
Accidentally the double negative

If I'm reading your post correctly you just totally brushed off all infanticide-by-exposure, period, and said only child sacrifice and direct, manual murder were infanticide.
Essentially, you are saying that throwing a baby in a river or leaving them outside in a jar is not murder even though it is done with the intent that the child perish and the knowledge that infants will often perish in less than a day due to predation, thirst, or temperature.

>>4931441
Jews did not invent shit here. All of judaism was ripped off from egyptian common thought and atenism.

Like exodus never happened and before jews were formally jews, they were the hyksos, temporary rulers of egypt, not slaves, and the proto-jewish workers were actually paid lavishly, moses was most likely an atenist or heavily influenced by atenism because basically all of judaism is a mish-mash between canaanite paganism, atenism and common egyptian thought, and a little bit of vedic shit that could have been an accident or picked up later in babylon

>>4931503
>>4931505
You still don't get it do you autistic moron?
You need evidence.
For that we have some "bath houses" (prostitute centers) were aborted babies have been found and child sacrifice temples.
That's it.
That's all the physical evidence we have.
Everything else is you making up bullshit because you're an evil autistic homosexual pedophile that hates children.
We know for certain that the Carthaginians sacrificed children BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE EVIDENCE OF IT.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND IDIOT ANON?

>>4931506
>, moses was most likely an atenist
No, you're making shit up.
I swear 4channers are some of the dumbest motherfuckers around.

>>4931511
>instantly snaps back to rambling about prostitutes aborting cell clumps and some child sacrifice
I need you to answer some questions:

Is abandoning a child to the elements (or a fucking river) infanticide - yes or no?

If yes, why do you deny how thoroughly documented and prevalent this was? Why do you call very, very thoroughly recorded history "making up bullshit"? It is an undisputed historical fact. Your ancestors, including the ones that were white and christian, threw unwanted daughters into rivers with such astonishing frequency the church was compelled to start an organization specifically for rescuing them, and could not feasibly enforce a ban on the practice for centuries.

If no, why do you think throwing a viable, already born baby in a river isn't infanticide?

>>4931514
THAT ISN'T EVIDENCE AUTISTIC IDIOT.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING SHIT.
WE NEED PHYSICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE.

SECOND TRY, DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

>>4931512
>no no no the bible story cant be wrong
It's wrong. Jews weren't enslaved in egypt. They ruled it, got kicked out, and stole their whole religion from a sun cult. There is no historical record of jews being enslaved in egypt. There is extensive historical record of a canaanite people ruling egypt and getting kicked out and record of canaanite people living and working in egypt as normal egyptians. Jews are the only canaanite people who claim they lived in egypt and then had to leave en masse. Hmm.

>>4931511
>no no no humanity is naturally good! this cant be true! it was just a few moloch cults!
Infanticide by exposure is extremely well documented and attested to and remains widespread in the developing world today. The fucking church has record of the church lamenting how common it was. Historical infanticide rates can exceed 1/5th of all births, higher for female births only. Odd for a naturally good and cooperative species outside of times of famine.

>>4931516
Yes, there is evidence. There is a fuckton of evidence and first hand attestations. It is better documented than the prevalence of murder and theft.

Wikipedia is what is called a tertiary source. You can examine the higher level sources yourself on this page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#History
>According to William Lecky, exposure in the early Middle Ages, as distinct from other forms of infanticide, "was practiced on a gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference and, at least in the case of destitute parents, considered a very venial offence".[43]:355–56 However the first foundling house in Europe was established in Milan in 787 on account of the high number of infanticides and out-of-wedlock births. The Hospital of the Holy Spirit in Rome was founded by Pope Innocent III because women were throwing their infants into the Tiber river.[44]

But I'm sure the "glow in the dark autistic homosexual tranny pedo psychopath jews trying to destroy the white race" just went back and fabricated all of history to piss you off
Crime also didn't exist back then, it was made up, all the dead bodies were good martyrs who died standing up to satanism! Oh and rape never actually happened, jews just retconned it in.

>>4931517
>>no no no the bible story cant be wrong
YOU'RE NOT SAYING IT'S WRONG YOU MORON. YOU'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THE EXISTENCE OF MOSES. A GUY WHO ALMOST CERTAINLY NEVER EXISTED.
>>4931517
>>no no no humanity is naturally good! this cant be true! it was just a few moloch cults!
>Infanticide by exposure is extremely well documented
WHERE'S THE ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE? OH, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
INFANTICIDE WASN'T COMMON AND PRACTICALLY SPEAKING COULDN'T BE COMMON. YOU'RE PROJECTING YOUR OWN DESIRES ONTO THE PAST.

>>4931518
NO NUMBERS CITED, NO ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES MENTIONED. AUTISTIC IDIOT IS STILL MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE HE'S AN AUTISTIC IDIOT.

>>4931516
>humans confirmed more evil than eagles
>chinese and indians still drowning newborn daughters today
>cue all caps meltdown and insisting infanticide never happened outside of carthage
lol im sure the roman laws literally ordering family patriarchs to kill deformed children were just jokes and all the extensive documents regulating who could kill children and when were a prank bro

humans are more evil than eagles by a significant margin
imagine having a cooperative agricultural society and murdering your living, breathing, independent of the mother child to avoid starvation because baron grain hoarder says your village didn't work hard enough this year
and not just doing this, but being an ancient roman and treating it as a fact of life. imagine casually writing "if you bear a daughter, kill it by exposure" in letters to your wife.

imagine being a species that throws so many perfectly healthy, viable children with 9 months of maternal energy put into them into the river tiber that it spurs the founding of a hospital, strongly implying that your people did that despite knowing it was wrong, at least a little. or maybe they didn't, and they just thought rescuing babies would square them with the G man and he'd forgive their other sins.

compared to this, a bird pecking something that came out of an unusually large and white bowel movement 3 months later is a nothingburger

>>4931521
AUTISTIC RETARD STILL TALKING TO HIMSELF WITHOUT ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE LOL.

>>4931519
>>4931520
Infanticide by exposure is absurdly, absurdly well documented and attested to. This is not projection. This is the history of your people. The pope did not make up the number of babies being thrown into the river tiber.

Your white, christian ancestors threw freshly born children into rivers to save a buck. Despite all those fields of grain and all those spare rooms in castles, the very white very christian world looked on as every fifth child ended up left in a field or tossed in a river. Just like all of the pagans before them who had documented customs like the paternal right to drowning any child that hadn't been fed yet. Cry about it.

>>4931522
>no no no it never happened there is no evidence
The sources are linked throughout the entire wikipedia page. You can just look at them.

Your ancestors murdered babies in such numbers that lions look pretty good actually

>>4931523
AUTISTIC RETARD STILL TALKING TO HIMSELF WITHOUT ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE LOL... HOW LONG WILL HE CONTINUE THIS FOR?

>>4931524
>The sources are linked throughout the entire wikipedia page
I KNOW!!!
THE TINY NUMBER OF ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES THAT I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT ARE YOUR ONLY LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

>>4931525
>i need you to gather all the dead babies and show them to me right now.
>the people who lived back then describing the horrors isn't enough.
yes, sure, and rape never happened either, it was described but that's just sick homosexual jewish pedophiles altering history to jerk off.

You have three options

"The jews" somehow altered all recorded history to piss you off
Every historian from now to the roman empire was lying for some reason, and all references to infanticide by exposure specifically are falsified.
Or, the historical facts:
Your ancestors murdered children with such frequency and zeal that the church was spiritually obligated to open foundling houses to stop at least some of the death, most of them were never punished for it, and humanity is way worse than some birds only doing it because they're starving to death and their children can not survive without cannibalism.

The birds are more merciful too. They just kill the child they can't support instead of condemning it to a slow death because "well someone could rescue it so im not a murderer lol"

>>4931527
I'm sorry kid, but you're losing this argument by begging for evidence that already exists and denying anything that doesn't fit your personal agenda.

Humans are not an inherently good species.
Humans are not an inherently moral species.
There is extensive record of the customs and regulations of infanticide in the ancient world.
The church, which had no reason to lie, has extensive record of the prevalence of infanticide in the middle ages and specifically says they built charitable institutions to prevent some of the deaths.
Only for the past 1300 years has there been any semblance of mass revulsion towards throwing babies out like garbage, and only in the developed west. It remains common practice in india, china, and pakistan.

Your original point was that eagles, which fend for themselves without any help available whatsoever, doing this, is proof that they are mindless automatons. If that is true then we must consider that the majority of humans are mindless automatons.

hear me out here - what if the odd behavior of the male eagle killing its own chick was stress? What if it didn't want to kill its child? What if that eagle consciously knew it had to kill its chick or it would suffer and starve to death, and really did not want to, but had to? What if that eagle was a more moral and honest creature than the millions of people who justified infanticide with "i'm not a murderer, other people just failed to help"?

>>4931529
THOSE AREN'T NUMBERS OR ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES YOU IDIOT.
YOU'RE SO STUPID.
YOU'RE SO DUMB.
WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID?

AUTISTIC ANON LOGIC -

>ROMAN HISTORIAN SAID "MANY MOTHERS THROW THEIR BABIES INTO THE RIVER"

>21 CENTURY AUTISTIC TARD THINKS "OMG 500,000 WOMEN THREW THEIR FIRSTBORN INTO THE RIVER, EVERYONE DOES IT EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE!!!"

>>4931532
RETARD ANON ONCE AGAIN GIVES NO NUMBERS OR ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES LOL.
WHAT A STUPID AUTISTIC MORON.

>>4931534
>>4931533
lol look at this fag crying because he just learned humans are not inherently good
>every general and historian ever: And the soldiers were allowed to rape the women of the town
>BULLSHIT! rape has never been normal, you fucking freaks! show me sperm samples! HUMANS ARE GOOD BY DEFAULT.
humans are inherently evil.

>>4923654
>You can't reproduce if you don't survive in the first place.
He already countered this in the previous reply, you coping retard.
>Cat species are going extinct, dogs naturalize and replace other predators

>>4931538
wow, no souce, quote, number or archeological site.

>>4931538
who, what, where, when?

>>4931538
Retard anon is defeated by per capita...

>extensive historical sources showing infanticide has always been normal among humans
>only archaeological evidence is scattered bones mixed in with all the others
>well i guess it didnt happen and the historians all lied
Lol.

Humans confirmed more evil than any other animal.
>humans:
>lord, we bought too nice a house. kill every child after this.
>no, only kill the daughters. the funny bearded man said i need sons or my wealth goes to the king, and extra in case we are called upon to fight a war!
>agreed, we will throw our daughters into the river tiber. our sons can marry the daughters of some rich suckers.
>animals:
>i am starving to death, have 2 kids, can only feed one, and one of them is visibly sick or deformed. i dont like this, but it beats dying.

>>4931548
wow, no source, quote, number or archeological site.
Just an autistic pedophile talking to himself lol.

>>4931202
>often even ‘raping’ them in the process as a show of dominance.”

I knew lions were depraved

>>4913248
>ants confirmed geniuses
on a hive scale, yes

>>4922733
>Only 20% of lion cubs will make it to adulthood.
>Only 1 of 7 lion hunts ends with a kill.

For the record, African wild dogs have a hunting success rate of around 60–90%, which is higher than other predators like lions and leopards.

>>4933251
They are also the most repulsive predator on the continent eating prey alive exclusively.

>>4912916
>A cat can never be wrong
Tribalism over animals is the lamest shit ever.
Stop being a doofus.

>>4933253
All deaths in the jaws of a predator are pretty brutal

>>4933253
They are small. Do you expect surgical kills from a small animal? hyenas and lions eat prey alive constantly and you never complain.

>>4924262
>Wolf population thriving
Lol lmao even

>>4931202
>>4931204
Nature is brutal yet beautiful

>>4922671
horses control central banking

>>4935457
Wolves are doing fine in Europe, so much that they've had their protections removed