>>4904615
God here, I made him that way because i think its funny, just like how i made you an unlovable faggot lmao.

>>4904648
I knew god was a troll, fucking dickhead.

>>4904615
any kind of parasitic wasps that lays its eggs into living caterpillars. Or maybe there is a god and he just has a very fucked up sense of humor, which I kinda respect in a way

>>4904615

Hyenas have to give birth through a pseudo penis that they have to rip open with their teeth.

>>4904615
yeah,we all watched Casualgeographic

All those horrid sissification parasites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_castration#Taxonomic_range

>>4905867
That reminds me, one of those is Strepsiptera, and every single part of their lifecycle is cursed. It's not even proof that there's no god, it's proof that Satan exists and he rules the world.

>the females live as maggot-like parasites inside other insects, with only their heads sticking out (pic), while the mobile males only exist to reproduce and die within hours
>In all strepsipterans the male mates by rupturing the female's cuticle. Sperm passes through the opening directly into the body in a process called traumatic insemination
>Strepsiptera eggs hatch inside the female, and the planidium larvae can move around freely within the female's haemocoel [blood]; this behavior is unique to these insects. The offspring consume their mother from the inside in a process known as haemocoelous viviparity. Each female produces many thousands of planidium larvae. The larvae emerge from the brood opening/canal on the female's head, which protrudes outside the host body.
>When the larvae latch onto a host, they enter it by secreting enzymes that soften the cuticle, usually in the abdominal region of the host. Some species have been reported to enter the eggs of hosts.
>Once inside the host, they undergo hypermetamorphosis and transform into a less-mobile, legless larval form. They induce the host to produce a bag-like structure inside which they feed and grow. This structure, made from host tissue, protects them from the immune defences of the host. Larvae go through four more instars, and in each moult the older cuticle separates but is not discarded, so multiple layers form around the larvae.
>The colour and shape of the host's abdomen may be changed and the host usually becomes sterile. Females may occupy up to 90% of the abdominal volume of their hosts.

>>4905867
for me it's

>>4905873
Whoever made this surely loves the chaotic nature of the universe and wanted to portray it by making a disaster of a diagram.

Things like these make me care less about nature. I care about the environment for being beautiful and healthy for humans, but "letting animals live their natural wild lives" is not a particularly good thing.

>>4905870
h-how does evolution become THIS specific

idk it looks like they're perfectly curling upon its skin

>>4904648
>just like how i made you an unlovable faggot
So you're responsible for the influx of lgbt? No wonder people abandon their faith in you.

Satan was right.

>>4905709
is this a snake or one of these fishes that crawl inside your dick?

>>4905870
i love animals, including insects, even strange ones, but this is fucking horrifying

>>4904648
Fuckin lool

>>4907919
Dick fish

>>4905870
I hate nature.

>>4904648
then fuck you God. Why did you make wasps and hippos so damn OP?

>>4904615
IDK if this proves there's no God but it must prove his head's not on straight, at the bare minimum.

>>4908576
how is this species not extinct

>>4908578
Not only is it not extinct, it's actually the very last surviving member of a family of beetles that existed since THE LATE PERMIAN (aka about 255 million years ago give or take).

>>4908576
Then what's the "point" of adult stage? I mean, it seems to be wasteful to go through all of that developmental cycle to create non-reproductive adult forms. I know evolution isn't strictly logical, but usually there is some order to it.
>Since adults do not have a role in reproduction, they are not a physiological part of the life cycle. Thus, the rarity of adult development in the natural world may be an evolutionary response to the lack of their reproductive role. In laboratory settings, development into adults can be induced by high temperatures, but this also results in high mortality because only one out of hundreds of heat-treated larvae will survive and pupate into an adult.
>The adult females live for about six days and males only live for around 12 hours, with a strongly biased sex ratio towards females. The adults of both sexes are sterile and are vestigial remnants of a time when the life cycle involved sexual reproduction. The loss of sexual reproduction is likely associated with its infection by Wolbachia bacteria.
Okay, Wikipedia explains it
>>4908580
Crazy stuff

>>4907699
billions of years of survival pressure and mutations

>>4905873
This is genuinely unreadable.

>>4904615
>god creates creatures who have DNA
>DNA changes over time out of need or degradation
>shit starts to get whacky
evolution as a theory and a concept doesn't disqualify a God creator.
have fun dealing with abiogenesis lol

>>4909800
Stop being autistic. OP wasn't making a religious point. It's just a thread about fucked up, retarded or nonsensical animals in nature.

>>4909800
>>4909802
You're both autistic. Now get back to posting Satan's creations.

>>4909800
>god of the gaps
The bible is the word of god as it says or is not. God is not wrong. The bible is. The vedas are. The gitas are. The quran is wrong as hell. No one has the word of a true god on hand without a cope-ious amount of denying the basic truths of the natural world.

You are a churchless deist who is perpetually shoving a comforting and familiar thought (a conscious will did this) wherever you do not yet have the uncomfortable and horrifying answer (there is no purpose or meaning above us all) that puts all that responsibility, instead, squarely on mankind.

>>4909990

What is that demon spawn? Also, it seems like it takes forever to leave.

>>4910259
Horsehair worm. When the larvae get old enough to survive on their own they make their host seek water, drowning them and letting the worm return to water so it can reproduce.

>>4904651
Not the most cursed form dogs have taken
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canine_transmissible_venereal_tumor

>>4905873
>Abdomen begins to fall apart
aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4910280
I can never get used to this

>>4908576
>Micromalthus debilis
incredible naming sense

>>4910302
can somebody get this into the toadline community? Although the dogs will probably die "naturally" before the cancer gets them. I just wanna see some SMASHED and SLAMMED organs with extreme TUMOR GIRTH.

>>4904615
I forget what it's called but it's some kind of monkey I think.
>born without basic survival skills or adaptations
>preoccupied with pointless tasks they force each other to complete
>regularly consume things they know will make themselves ill
>start losing function of major organs 1/3rd of the way into average lifespan
>kill each other and other species without warning or need
>caused the extinction of countless species and will probably do the same to itself

Man, I really can't remember what it's called. Can anyone help me out?

>>4910781
Oh yeah, and they often commit suicide and encourage each other to participate, if that helps.

>>4910781
>>4910782
Crackers?

>>4907697
Agreed. I care about animals but uncritical worship of "Nature" is best left to low IQ hippies.

>>4910302
>Although the genome of a CTVT is derived from an individual canid, it is now essentially living as a unicellular, asexually reproducing pathogen
>Canine TVTs were initially described by Russian veterinarian M.A. Novinsky in 1876, when he demonstrated that the tumor could be transplanted from one dog to another by infecting them with tumor cells
>It is one of only three known transmissible cancers in mammals
>The tumor cells are themselves the infectious agents, and the tumors that form are not genetically related to the host dog
>The success of this single cell lineage, believed to be the longest continually propagated cell lineage in the world

What in the actual fuck am I reading? How is this even possible? Dogs have literal cancer AIDs and it is one of the oldest single cell lineages in the entire fucking world. I am surprised a catfag has not weaponised this yet against dogfags that bring up toxoplasmosis.

>>4904615
God works in mysterious ways

>>4905873
Where the fuck do I start reading this shit lmao

>>4913140
>I am surprised a catfag has not weaponised this yet against dogfags that bring up toxoplasmosis
Attracting the attention of the immortal penis cancer seems unwise.

>>4913140
Canine TVT doesnt infect peoples minds to make them dog slaves. thats the problem with toxo

>>4904615
Kind of weird how many women died during childbirth before Caesarian sections were invented.

>>4904648
Based big G

>>4904615
Nature is amazing!!

>>4909866
That's not the God of the gaps fallacy you fucking moron that's the watchmaker/unmoved mover argument. Why is there something instead of nothing is a metaphysical question not a scientific one.

>>4909800
>have fun dealing with abiogenesis lol

It's almost certain that primitive lifeforms exist on other planets (whether sentient life exists elsewhere is a different matter)

>>4905873
lmao how am i supposed to read this?

The tusks grow like that due to a past need to wear them down or break them off a lot fighting or grinding on something.
He clearly isn't fighting other boars or animals enough.
This is what being a pacifist boar gets you

>>4917887
Sounds like intelligent design to me.

>>4905867
>"Hypercastrator" (a hyperparasite that castrates the parasite it parasitizes)
HYPERCASTRATOR

>>4916695
The Watchmaker fallacy has never made sense to me
>"You find a watch in the desert you assume a watchmaker did it"
>Sure but I don't assume the watchmaker created the metal for the clock, nor the desert, nor me. Where did all the other stuff came from.

>>4919390
>The Watchmaker fallacy has never made sense to me
Congratulations, you are now smarter than a creationist.

>>4905870
The videos of people removing these are grody

>>4910302
>mfw transmissible cancers exist

How does natural selection work for this species? Where does the second set of genes come from? And if there is no genetic recombination, wouldn't all offspring be clones if their mother, with no ability to vary or produce new traits, other than through mutation?

>>4920696
Why are you asking us Darwin? Did you hit your head and get retarded?

>>4909990
But why

>>4910781
is this board full of middle aged women

>>4920696
Are you talking about >>4908576 ?
Insects don't have XY chromosomes. They have ZW or some equivalent.

>>4921445
Protostomes, everyone.

>>4907699
Eh, good enough

>>4904615
Christians really screwed up by declaring their God a loving God. An indifferent or ambivalent demiurge would've been more defensible.

>>4922712
He only loves you if you follow the directions of his chosen people who received his real instructions
He also allows 10000 conflicting religions to exist all of which claim to have gods instructions
All of these instructions represent absolute falsehoods as divine information from an unerring source
Have fun

>>4922715
You do not understand the ways of the LORD and His creation

>>4910873
Kek

>>4923059
Devout Muslims don't use Reddit whereas there is a real /r/DeusVult subreddit full of Crusader LARPers,

>>4910781
>>born without basic survival skills or adaptations
>>regularly consume things they know will make themselves ill
Literally me

>>4923057
not even religious m8e you're just an annoying cunt

>>4904648
fpbp

>>4923484
why do Damascus goats look like that?

>>4904615
There are good gods and evil gods, equally powerful, good gods create good things and evil gods create bad things

>>4924191
it's fine to believe that but it's not compatible with monotheistic religions like Christianity

>>4910781
that's called a 4chan user

>>4905110
>Hyenas have to give birth through a pseudo penis that they have to rip open with their teeth.

more info on this?

>>4909381
Also insect life cycles and generations are so frequent.

>>4908576
are you saying that there is a bacteria that turned their entire species into female-dominant AND one that exclusively reproduces via child pregnancy?

>>4926505
What's up with this art style?

>>4910302
Neat. An actual fucking eldritch abomination.

>>4904615
Just because God is evil doesn't mean there is no God.
The idea that God has to be good is infantile and a product of the post-war era.

>>4904615
This happens to us too. We work for 40 years and then die.

>>4928728
shut the fuck up, it's just a common christian joke not an invitation to debate

>>4926505
birth stories 2?

>>4904715
Rather a lot of plant species, including corn and lima beans, emit a scent signal that attracts parasitic wasps like that when caterpillars much on them. Not only that, neighboring plants join in in kind, to extend the signal's reach. I imagine that some grass species enjoy a similar relationship with insect predators, which would explain the pristine look of lawns in May to June, or why it is that big herbivores exist at all.

>>4928966
sounds hot

>>4905110
>knew the first part
>not the second
Good gif. Very apt.

>>4909800
>implying abiogenesis is difficult to grasp or somehow doesn't make sense
lul
lol
lo l

>>4909800
>abiogenesis
yeah, thats what happens with viruses, theyre technically not living things by any metric of a living thing, theyre just a bunch of nucleic acids

>>4924187
selective breeding for ugliness by arabs so they wouldnt get horny

>>4930791
It literally contradicts all logic and laws of science. Its mythology for materialism.
Are we to believe the complex components for a cell auto assemble and then dna, a programing language, auto assembles? That's just the worst religion ever.
As is evolution from a cell into creatures which is why there is no such thing in the fossil record. The fossils show advanced families of animals appearing from nowhere. Darwin knew the fossils debunked him, but he had faith in future digs. Since then we dug, and it only further established that familes just appear from nothing.
If we were just shown at school the fossil record without the fairy tale tree of life projected onto it, we would see simply complex animals appearing with no precursors in explosions of life and no one would believe evolution.

>>4907699
It always makes my day to see people geek out over animals evolve into absolutely fucked up abominations.
If you live in someone else all day and have nutrients basically given to you on a silver platter, you don't need to move, see, sense, etc. Same thing with parasitic crustaceans (picrel)

>>4930816
Let me explain for you:
Water, heat, light, and chemicals react to form RNA and lipids.
RNA world starts, proteins make more RNA and ribosomes make more proteins.
Lipid membranes enclose RNA and proteins, creating the first protocell.
Viroids and obelisks are good evidence of the RNA world. Viruses are also good evidence of protocells.
People have replicated protocells in the lab before, and have gotten controversy over playing god:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2042527/

>>4905870
Speaking of fucked up bugs, behold: Ascodipteron. This is a fly.
Marked in yellow is the spongy feeding pad that flies typically have.
Marked in red is the rest of the proboscis.
Marked in orange is where the face should be.
ant stands for antennae, lv is probably where the eyes are supposed to go, and g is probably the "cheeks" of a fly's face.
They don't even use these big-ass mouthparts to feed. They use them once in their entire lives to bury into a host bat's flesh. We don't know what they eat.

>>4930832
fuck i didnt mark them in color but the sharp saws and fronds are the spongy feeding pad, the big spiny thing marked with lt is the rest of the proboscis, and fr, lv, g are supposed to be the face

>>4930816
>fossils show animals appearing out of nowhere
No, they show animals existed, not how they came to be. If I show you an iphone, did it arise from nowhere if all the development of technology has been lost? No. Same thing for naturally occurring self-replicators.
>Are we to believe the complex components for a cell auto assemble and then dna, a programing language, auto assembles? That's just the worst religion ever.
Yes, because once a molecule self replicates, it will become dominant in the environment and react more often accelerating the rate of change. We can observe the beginnings of self replicating chemistry when lightning zaps some clay and soupy water, ffs.

Are we supposed to believe there is an extra-universal being and despite all the fully contradictory religions he allows to exist, he totally gave you the real one, which is totally real despite containing outright lies about jews being enslaved in egypt, a totally nonfactual creation myth set on a flat plane with four corners, and a lot of roman BS of questionable origin with a lot of cool and who knows, possibly factual shit cut out by people who were neither jesus nor god?

Yeah, that totally makes more sense than basic logic:
Once a self replicating system arises, change will accelerate and complexity will develop until the system is terminated.
And it still took over a billion fucking years to get a recognizable cell out of it!

>>4930841
This.

>>4930826
I can't believe this thread is still up and I am once again reminded of the existence of Stylops melittae

>>4924187
>why do Damascus goats look like that?
The livestock of Middle-eastern people marry their own cousins too...

>>4924187
>>4930798
>>4930876
They're milk and meat producing machines. That's why they look like the way they do.

>>4930884
>They're milk and meat producing machines
must be, they are such an eyesore to look at.
I wouldn't even want to eat something that ugly.

>>4905870
The males also fly with their bodies upright like little fairies. Do with that information what you will.

>>4913140
Swap the host to a human and this shit wouldn't be out of place in a Resident Evil title.

>>4920646
Funny you learned about it throught CTVT. Normies' first exposure to transmissible cancers is usually the Tasmanian devil face cancer.

>>4931564
doubt, most normies dont even know that tasmanian devils is a real thing, because i knew that dogs can get cancers from each other because of how inbred some purebreeds are, so it can just jump hosts easily

>>4910781
>>born without basic survival skills
also the case for other primates
>>adaptations
your brain and hands, mainly
>>preoccupied with pointless tasks they force each other to complete
many of those tasks are important for the societal structure. your taxes aren't pointless
>>regularly consume things they know will make themselves ill
those things often are pleasant to consume
>>kill each other and other species without warning or need
many animals do this
>>caused the extinction of countless species and will probably do the same to itself
true, except humanity probably will not go extinct, just regress considerably

>>4921409
Yes, they usually hang out at /dog/

>>4921409
Yes.

>>4931646
>>4910781
>born without basic survival skills or adaptations

It's actually a sign of an intelligent species if the offspring has to be taught by their parents, because it means they have to actually learn and transmit knowledge instead of operating by sheer instinct.

>>4904615
>Animals whose very existence proves there is no God.
Doesn't that prove the existence of God instead?

Consider this: you understand that there is an "ideal", you might say platonic, form of the Babirusa in which the tusks don't grow into its brain and kill it. You also understand that the tusks doing it is "bad" and that this not happening would be "good". Therefore, you are able to imagine a world that is just pure Logos, that has not been corrupted by Satan.

If there is no God, how are you able to imagine this, and why do you think it is "better" than the current situation?

>>4905873
Biologists are retards.

>>4932578
Where is the evidence for this world of Forms besides the philosophizing of Socrates and Plato? I too could invent a story of Bob the Good Guy who made flawed creations and it would have as much merit as Forms.

>>4932806
The evidence is in you being able to imagine it. What a silly question.

>>4933492
I can imagine that you take massive cocks two at a time therefore you do. Its quantum physics and pure logic aka truth and objective good.

>>4928712
What do you mean? It seems pretty inoffensive. The orange cat mom with green eyes got me feeling strange tho.

>>4930832
>We don't know what they eat.
bat duh

>>4932578
Platonists are retarded as usual, more news at 11

I <3 this thread

>>4933744
it's a good thread

>>4915578
>before Caesarian sections were invented.
you're joking right? maternal mortality is highest in nations with high C-section rates

>>4935509
thats because they doing c sections on slabs that held corpses not 5 seconds earlier, we invented the c section before germ theory and hygiene

>>4935608
c-sections aren't natural, they're not how the human body was made to pop out babies, we're not supposed to breach the womb when fetus is in there and c-sections cut it wiiiiiiide open, its probably why every other kid has mental disorders from birth these days

>>4905870
>>4930832
>>4930826
huh, maybe we need a parasite thread, that shit is disturbing but fascinating

>>4928728
Based Gnostic. On the whole I find nature kind of weird, and rather indifferent. I live in northern Illinois, and have seen quite a lot of hummingbirds that make their way across the gulf of Mexico in one go. Recently I learned that crow murders swiftly execute the dying among them, a somewhat depressing thought about the species.

>>4936207
youre retarded

>>4904648
Fpbp, based, God is good, et al.

>>4904648
fpbp. op is a discord tranny

>>4931646
Holy autism

>>4905116
pipa pipa :D

>>4914548
neither does toxoplasmosis.

>>4931347
>>4930826
how does a shrimpy crustacean go from being a shrimpy crustacean, to a little limpet thing with its face fused to a rock, to whatever this is?

>>4937829
It says it right there. You don't really need... anything, if all of your needs are provided by your non-consensual home.